more money no guaranty for a faster car.

[Edmund]

Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.

Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Edmund

[larkim]

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years. There seems to be a malaise of complacency about them
through which they keep on telling themselves there is a magic fix around
the corner that will unlock huge potential from their car, when in
reality they are nowhere near.

With a Renault engine, they should be matching RBR if they are as good at
chassis design as they seem to believe they are. And if not matching RBR
they should be a lot closer than they really area.

I've given up making ridiculous assertions in the prediction pool here based
on a renaissance for McLaren via Alonso as it so clearly isn't coming good
that it is getting embarassing being a supporter of theirs now!

[Edmund]

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years. There seems to be a malaise of complacency about them
through which they keep on telling themselves there is a magic fix around
the corner that will unlock huge potential from their car, when in
reality they are nowhere near.
With a Renault engine, they should be matching RBR if they are as good at
chassis design as they seem to believe they are. And if not matching RBR
they should be a lot closer than they really area.
I've given up making ridiculous assertions in the prediction pool here based
on a renaissance for McLaren via Alonso as it so clearly isn't coming good
that it is getting embarassing being a supporter of theirs now!

They do have some sort of excuse after 3 years not being able
to test anything due to a PU that couldn't sustain 10 laps or so.
Having said that it is amazing that Mclaren with decades of racing
experience was not able to analyze the data and see that it wasn't
only the lack of Honda power that caused their lack of speed.
Given the amount of money spent in F1 and making this kind of
mistakes ... I wonder what they are doing, they really look
like a bunch of amateurs.
Don't they have wind tunnels anymore or has the FIA forbidden that too?

Edmund

[larkim]

Post by Edmund

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years. There seems to be a malaise of complacency about them
through which they keep on telling themselves there is a magic fix around
the corner that will unlock huge potential from their car, when in
reality they are nowhere near.
With a Renault engine, they should be matching RBR if they are as good at
chassis design as they seem to believe they are. And if not matching RBR
they should be a lot closer than they really area.
I've given up making ridiculous assertions in the prediction pool here based
on a renaissance for McLaren via Alonso as it so clearly isn't coming good
that it is getting embarassing being a supporter of theirs now!

They do have some sort of excuse after 3 years not being able
to test anything due to a PU that couldn't sustain 10 laps or so.
Having said that it is amazing that Mclaren with decades of racing
experience was not able to analyze the data and see that it wasn't
only the lack of Honda power that caused their lack of speed.
Given the amount of money spent in F1 and making this kind of
mistakes ... I wonder what they are doing, they really look
like a bunch of amateurs.
Don't they have wind tunnels anymore or has the FIA forbidden that too?
Edmund

You're right to a degree, but it's a bit OTT to suggest they couldn't test
the car for more than 10 laps. They weren't dead last at every race last
year and they were completing more than DNF'ing so they really should have
good (enough) aero and chassis data to take steps forwards. Perhaps
Canada is a poorly representative circuit in that regard, but we'll have to
see what the next few bring on the way to Silverstone.

[geoff]

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years.

Not doing so well without the Honda. Eh Eddie.

Well, not spectacularly better at least ...

geoff

[M2T]

Post by geoff

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years.

Not doing so well without the Honda. Eh Eddie.
Well, not spectacularly better at least ...

Come on, McLaren have lost £50m at least. Having to pay for engines, no
rebate on Fred's money, fuck all coming from FOM. Garage sale at the end
of the season ?

[Edmund]

Post by geoff

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years.

Not doing so well without the Honda. Eh Eddie.
Well, not spectacularly better at least ...
geoff

Really, how many engine failures did they have this year?
How many points they gathered the last 3 years in TOTAL?
What was it you said again?

[geoff]

Post by Edmund

Post by geoff

Post by larkim

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.
Edmund

It's increasingly looking like Honda was only part of the problem over the
last few years.

Not doing so well without the Honda. Eh Eddie.
Well, not spectacularly better at least ...
geoff

Really, how many engine failures did they have this year?
How many points they gathered the last 3 years in TOTAL?
What was it you said again?

Well it was a joke. Sort of.

So what's their excuse this year ?

geoff

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by geoff
Well it was a joke. Sort of.

Make a stance. Fence sitting. Homosexual.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by geoff
So what's their excuse this year ?

None. Same as your stupidity.

[Bigbird]

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

~Well you were wrong about the engine, you were wrong about the
chassis...

....the driver?

;)

[Edmund]

Post by Bigbird

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

~Well you were wrong about the engine,

In your dreams.

you were wrong about the chassis...

Dreaming again? put your money where your mouth is
and show us what I have said .....
according to you only and tell me where I was wrong.

Take your time.

Post by Bigbird
....the driver?
;)

[M2T]

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

[Sir Tim]

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

Strong stuff, but right on the button ;-)

[Edmund]

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

So I wonder ( not really ) how you still manage to blame Alonso
for all this.

Edmund

[M2T]

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

So I wonder ( not really ) how you still manage to blame Alonso
for all this.

I feel really sad for you. Your hero worship for Fred has taken over
your life. Every waking moment you're dreaming of him and he's doesn't
give a flying fuck about you.

You've got a serious case of unrequited love - and you're too stupid to
know it.

[Edmund]

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

So I wonder ( not really ) how you still manage to blame Alonso
for all this.

I feel really sad for you. Your hero worship for Fred has taken over
your life. Every waking moment you're dreaming of him and he's doesn't
give a flying fuck about you.
You've got a serious case of unrequited love - and you're too stupid to
know it.

It's not really an explanation for your:

-Fred starts in 14th place tomorrow, I
blame him for McLaren building a crap car.-

But thanks for sharing

Edmund

[M2T]

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

So I wonder ( not really ) how you still manage to blame Alonso
for all this.

I feel really sad for you. Your hero worship for Fred has taken over
your life. Every waking moment you're dreaming of him and he's doesn't
give a flying fuck about you.
You've got a serious case of unrequited love - and you're too stupid to
know it.

-Fred starts in 14th place tomorrow, I
blame him for McLaren building a crap car.-
But thanks for sharing

English readers will understand. You're a humourless, obsessive sad fuck.

[Sir Tim]

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund

Post by M2T

Post by Edmund
Don’t take my word for it, ask Mclaren.
Maybe the FIA can come up with more regulations like
forbidding the Red Bull chassis to make it more equal.

Mclaren, like Williams, had the opportunity to have their cars designed
by the best, but in both cases they pissed off Newey. Williams are now
on their uppers, too bad their team has a rotten atmosphere, caused by
Frank's obsession with penny pinching and treating people like shit. RD
made a team in his own image and stifled the genius of Newey. Now
they've got a clueless gobby Yank who's more concerned with the *Brand*
than getting his hands dirty and sorting out the problems.

So I wonder ( not really ) how you still manage to blame Alonso
for all this.

I feel really sad for you. Your hero worship for Fred has taken over
your life. Every waking moment you're dreaming of him and he's doesn't
give a flying fuck about you.
You've got a serious case of unrequited love - and you're too stupid to
know it.

-Fred starts in 14th place tomorrow, I
blame him for McLaren building a crap car.-
But thanks for sharing
Edmund

You don’t think that could have been a (whispers) j-o-k-e ?