colour vs. color

Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do you have any preferences?

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-03-23 10:32:24 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do
you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Dingbat

2021-03-25 19:50:13 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do
you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-03-25 20:31:52 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do
you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

Haute!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Peter Moylan

2021-03-25 23:52:40 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:32:29 AM UTC-7, Kerr-Mudd,John

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:18:22 GMT, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so,
do you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

When I was an undergraduate we had to do a compulsory subject that
consisted of a choice from rhetoric, life drawing, music appreciation,
and (something else I've forgotten). Everyone called the subject "Kulcha".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

musika

2021-03-26 00:55:00 UTC

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:18:22 GMT, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If
so, do you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

When I was an undergraduate we had to do a compulsory subject that
consisted of a choice from rhetoric, life drawing, music
appreciation, and (something else I've forgotten). Everyone called
the subject "Kulcha".

We'll have naan of that.

--
Ray
UK

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-26 15:12:50 UTC

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:18:22 GMT, bruce bowser

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so,
do you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

Cornell had "distribution requirements." You had to do six credits (two
semesters) of a Humanity, a Social Science, a Hard Science, and a
Math-or-something else (I don't remember what the something else
was) and there was a Fine Art in there somewhere. All your choices
except Rhetoric would be Fine Arts. (I did six semesters of Sage Chapel
Choir: one credit per semester, and the grade was based solely on attendance.
Also six credits of "Freshman Humanities," chosen from a very wide palette.

In order, I did History of Architecture, Linjguistics, Astronomy, [and I suppose
Fine Art was the alternative to Math?]. My FHs were "German Expressionist
Drama in translation" and -- oh, dear, I don't remember the second one! I
suppose the selection depended on the interests of the grad students who
were available each semester to teach them.

At Columbia there's something called the Common Core, where every
freshperson takes the same array of Western Civ and Other (and the
"Other" part is rather recent).

bruce bowser

2021-03-26 20:46:09 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do
you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

Says who? In a german english dictionary, the german word: kultur is culture in english. In a dutch english dictionary, the dutch word: cultuur is culture in english.

Stefan Ram

2021-03-26 21:04:21 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
In a german english dictionary, the german word: kultur is culture in english.

As in most such cases, it depends on the context.
Sometimes, "Kultur" is "culture". Sometimes, it is not.

abendländische Kultur - western civilization
Kulturbeutel - toiletries bag
Austernzucht - oyster culture
gebildeter Mann - man of culture

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-26 21:45:45 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct? If so, do
you have any preferences?

spell it 'kulur'. Simples!

kultur is not the same as culture, in English.

Says who? In a german english dictionary, the german word: kultur
cultuur is culture in english.

Dictionaries rarely explain how words are used, bilingual dictionaries
least of all (where it's most needed).

The St. Louisian's boast "Far enough south to be cultured, far enough
north not to be hick" probably can't be rendered in German using the
word "Kultur."

J. J. Lodder

2021-03-23 10:52:53 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?
If so, do you have any preferences?

It is the best example ever of how NOT to do a spelling reform,

Jan

Janet

2021-03-23 11:48:04 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?
If so, do you have any preferences?

I think we should all choose our own

Lyme Grean.

Lewis

2021-03-23 14:47:02 UTC

Post by Janet

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?
If so, do you have any preferences?

The bolour supplement.

Post by Janet
I think we should all choose our own
Lyme Grean.

Greene, Shirley!

--
Mom: There was more than one lobster present at the birth of Jesus?
Daughter: Duh.

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-03-23 16:21:21 UTC

Post by Janet

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?
If so, do you have any preferences?

The bolour supplement.

What's the point on being herded into busses going the hotel
Bontinental...

Post by Janet
I think we should all choose our own
Lyme Grean.

Greene, Shirley!

Soilent Movie at 10.
Bone apper tite!

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

CDB

2021-03-23 13:25:36 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No.

Post by bruce bowser
If so, do you have any preferences?

Yes. And I really think you should have said "if not". If I found one
spelling particularly wrong, it would be incorrect of me to prefer it.

Quinn C

2021-03-23 14:22:02 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No.

Post by bruce bowser
If so, do you have any preferences?

Yes. And I really think you should have said "if not". If I found one
spelling particularly wrong, it would be incorrect of me to prefer it.

You underestimate human complexity.

--
The need of a personal pronoun of the singular number and common
gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)

CDB

2021-03-24 12:57:15 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No.

Post by bruce bowser
If so, do you have any preferences?

Yes. And I really think you should have said "if not". If I found
one spelling particularly wrong, it would be incorrect of me to
prefer it.

You underestimate human complexity.

You never know, you know.

Garrett Wollman

2021-03-23 15:51:16 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No. They're different dialects.

I do find it particularly irritating when a retail business uses a
nonstandard-for-the-local-dialect spelling for pretentiousness -- a
couple of decades ago there was a veritable plague of shopping malls
calling themselves "Something-or-other Centre" because that's the
British spelling and everyone knows the Brits are classier. The only
recent example I can think of is the sports apparel comany Under
Armour, which I've read the story about.

I'm sufficiently accustomed to reading material intended for the
"global English ex-US" market that I rarely notice the spelling
differences. Vocabulary differences, on the other hand, I do still
notice, even when the intended meaning is clear and familiar to me. I
would guess that the same is true of most middle-class Americans, now
that the Internet has brought not only written material but radio and
television programs (other than costume dramas and 1980s sitcoms) from
other countries.

-GAWollman

--
Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can,
***@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

s***@my-deja.com

2021-03-23 16:07:44 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No. They're different dialects.
I do find it particularly irritating when a retail business uses a
nonstandard-for-the-local-dialect spelling for pretentiousness -- a
couple of decades ago there was a veritable plague of shopping malls
calling themselves "Something-or-other Centre" because that's the
British spelling and everyone knows the Brits are classier. The only
recent example I can think of is the sports apparel company Under
Armour, which I've read the story about.
I'm sufficiently accustomed to reading material intended for the
"global English ex-US" market that I rarely notice the spelling
differences. Vocabulary differences, on the other hand, I do still
notice, even when the intended meaning is clear and familiar to me. I
would guess that the same is true of most middle-class Americans, now
that the Internet has brought not only written material but radio and
television programs (other than costume dramas and 1980s sitcoms) from
other countries.

"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-03-23 16:22:41 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No. They're different dialects.
I do find it particularly irritating when a retail business uses a
nonstandard-for-the-local-dialect spelling for pretentiousness -- a
couple of decades ago there was a veritable plague of shopping malls
calling themselves "Something-or-other Centre" because that's the
British spelling and everyone knows the Brits are classier. The only
recent example I can think of is the sports apparel company Under
Armour, which I've read the story about.
I'm sufficiently accustomed to reading material intended for the
"global English ex-US" market that I rarely notice the spelling
differences. Vocabulary differences, on the other hand, I do still
notice, even when the intended meaning is clear and familiar to me. I
would guess that the same is true of most middle-class Americans, now
that the Internet has brought not only written material but radio and
television programs (other than costume dramas and 1980s sitcoms) from
other countries.

"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-23 17:28:24 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No. They're different dialects.
I do find it particularly irritating when a retail business uses a
nonstandard-for-the-local-dialect spelling for pretentiousness -- a
couple of decades ago there was a veritable plague of shopping malls
calling themselves "Something-or-other Centre" because that's the
British spelling and everyone knows the Brits are classier. The only
recent example I can think of is the sports apparel company Under
Armour, which I've read the story about.
I'm sufficiently accustomed to reading material intended for the
"global English ex-US" market that I rarely notice the spelling
differences. Vocabulary differences, on the other hand, I do still
notice, even when the intended meaning is clear and familiar to me. I
would guess that the same is true of most middle-class Americans, now
that the Internet has brought not only written material but radio and
television programs (other than costume dramas and 1980s sitcoms) from
other countries.

"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

--
Jerry Friedman

Dingbat

2021-03-26 07:31:27 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

No. They're different dialects.
I do find it particularly irritating when a retail business uses a
nonstandard-for-the-local-dialect spelling for pretentiousness -- a
couple of decades ago there was a veritable plague of shopping malls
calling themselves "Something-or-other Centre" because that's the
British spelling and everyone knows the Brits are classier. The only
recent example I can think of is the sports apparel company Under
Armour, which I've read the story about.
I'm sufficiently accustomed to reading material intended for the
"global English ex-US" market that I rarely notice the spelling
differences. Vocabulary differences, on the other hand, I do still
notice, even when the intended meaning is clear and familiar to me. I
would guess that the same is true of most middle-class Americans, now
that the Internet has brought not only written material but radio and
television programs (other than costume dramas and 1980s sitcoms) from
other countries.

"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

musika

2021-03-26 07:55:49 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

--
Ray
UK

bruce bowser

2021-03-26 10:26:19 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States? That's tough to believe.

musika

2021-03-26 11:12:09 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not Yanks.
Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

--
Ray
UK

bruce bowser

2021-03-26 15:07:14 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States? That's
tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not Yanks.
Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

musika

2021-03-26 15:17:36 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-7, Jerry

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even
in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

Far from it!

--
Ray
UK

Peter Moylan

2021-03-27 00:49:19 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even
in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

I'm getting a mental picture of a whole lot of north-eastern Americans
scattered through rural Britain, so discreetly that the British people
are unaware of them.

In the spy world those are known as "sleepers".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2021-03-27 13:06:31 UTC

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:49:19 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even
in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

Perhaps they are "hiding in plain sight" s scarecrows.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Sam Plusnet

2021-03-27 20:46:19 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even
in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its population
in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all volunteer, or were
they pushed?

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

Peter Moylan

2021-03-27 23:17:48 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United
States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas.
Even in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

I'm getting a mental picture of a whole lot of north-eastern
Americans scattered through rural Britain, so discreetly that the
British people are unaware of them.
In the spy world those are known as "sleepers".

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its
population in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all
volunteer, or were they pushed?

It wouldn't be such a bad life, though. American spies have it easy. Not
like the Russian spies, who are forever wondering when Putin is going to
poison them.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

J. J. Lodder

2021-03-28 12:50:08 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United
States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas.
Even in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

I'm getting a mental picture of a whole lot of north-eastern
Americans scattered through rural Britain, so discreetly that the
British people are unaware of them.
In the spy world those are known as "sleepers".

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its
population in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all
volunteer, or were they pushed?

It wouldn't be such a bad life, though. American spies have it easy. Not
like the Russian spies, who are forever wondering when Putin is going to
poison them.

Still easy compared to British spies,
who have to be forever suspicious of getting betrayed
in plots in counterplots in master plots
that nobody understands anymore,

Jan

Sam Plusnet

2021-03-28 19:04:53 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United
States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas.
Even in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

I'm getting a mental picture of a whole lot of north-eastern
Americans scattered through rural Britain, so discreetly that the
British people are unaware of them.
In the spy world those are known as "sleepers".

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its
population in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all
volunteer, or were they pushed?

It wouldn't be such a bad life, though. American spies have it easy. Not
like the Russian spies, who are forever wondering when Putin is going to
poison them.

Still easy compared to British spies,
who have to be forever suspicious of getting betrayed
in plots in counterplots in master plots
that nobody understands anymore,

Where's that Smiley icon George?

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

J. J. Lodder

2021-03-28 20:01:06 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United
States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas.
Even in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

I'm getting a mental picture of a whole lot of north-eastern
Americans scattered through rural Britain, so discreetly that the
British people are unaware of them.
In the spy world those are known as "sleepers".

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its
population in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all
volunteer, or were they pushed?

It wouldn't be such a bad life, though. American spies have it easy. Not
like the Russian spies, who are forever wondering when Putin is going to
poison them.

Still easy compared to British spies,
who have to be forever suspicious of getting betrayed
in plots in counterplots in master plots
that nobody understands anymore,

Where's that Smiley icon George?

I squarely forgot it.

Jan

Janet

2021-03-28 12:33:37 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

So few, so few, so very very few people that enter urban areas. Even
in the UK, apparently. You, who are out in the countryside?

Also, why has the North East of the US been stripped of its population
in pursuance of this dastardly scheme? Did they all volunteer, or were
they pushed?

I believe most of them are refugees from New Jersey, living incognito
with dialects and accents acquired from ancient Brit sitcoms.

Janet

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-28 15:53:04 UTC

Post by Janet
I believe most of them are refugees from New Jersey, living incognito
with dialects and accents acquired from ancient Brit sitcoms.

Oh, stop it. You're no T*n* C**p*r, and that's hardly a status to
aspire to.

Quinn C

2021-03-26 17:59:18 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States? That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not Yanks.
Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

--
Some things are taken away from you, some you leave behind-and
some you carry with you, world without end.
-- Robert C. Wilson, Vortex (novel), p.31

musika

2021-03-26 18:36:30 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-7, Jerry

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

--
Ray
UK

Quinn C

2021-03-26 22:01:04 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-7, Jerry

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

Ah, good point - my unconscious had made the decision for me.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

Peter Moylan

2021-03-27 00:53:35 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

Hmm, that changes the picture a little. But the people who phone me from
Microsoft usually have Indian accents.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-27 11:01:38 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

Hmm, that changes the picture a little. But the people who phone me
from Microsoft usually have Indian accents.

The lady who phones me from Liberia about Orange Telecom (as recently
as yesterday) speaks French pretty well -- not exactly Parisian, but
not what I'd expect in the unlikely event that I met a Francophone
Liberian. Liberia has borders with Côte d'Ivoire and Guinée, but
Monrovia is a long way from both.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

J. J. Lodder

2021-03-27 16:33:38 UTC

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

Hmm, that changes the picture a little. But the people who phone me
from Microsoft usually have Indian accents.

A lot of French call centres are in l'Afrique Francophone.
It's easy now, with satellite communications,
and much cheaper than siting them in France,

Jan

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-27 16:38:06 UTC

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by musika
No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

Hmm, that changes the picture a little. But the people who phone me
from Microsoft usually have Indian accents.

A lot of French call centres are in l'Afrique Francophone.
It's easy now, with satellite communications,
and much cheaper than siting them in France,

Yes, but most of the calls we get come from people with accents from
the Maghreb, which tend to be quite different from ones from the other
side of the Sahara.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-27 14:42:30 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
Hmm, that changes the picture a little. But the people who phone me from
Microsoft usually have Indian accents.

The people who phone me with Indian accents offer American names.

But they are not claiming to represent Microsoft. Most recently it's been
some solar-energy scam.

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-27 01:53:39 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-7, Jerry

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:22:45 AM UTC-6,

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

With all the people there from the northestern United States?
That's tough to believe.

I've never met one. On the other hand my "we" meant Brits not
Yanks. Where are all these northestern Americans you speak of?

Someone still thinks that New England is part of Britain?

Well, I still don't know if he left out a "w" or an "a".

In the Great Northwest they might say "Compudercenner" (which isn't
all that far from what I say, though I've never lived up there).

--
Jerry Friedman

Dingbat

2021-03-27 22:55:09 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

If the center of town has the highest priced real estate, that would
make it the "plum center", what? I used "plumb loco", supposedly an
American usage, but didn't find any Americans using it.

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Possibly done before: "Computacenter"

What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

Lewis

2021-03-28 12:42:45 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

If the center of town has the highest priced real estate, that would
make it the "plum center", what? I used "plumb loco", supposedly an
American usage, but didn't find any Americans using it.

Different meaning and words. The first is referring to the plum
fruit (and should be spelt plum, not plumb), the second is referring to
the measure. "Plumb loco" means "so crazy it is measurable and
verifiable" and also implies it is deep enough to require equipment to
measure its depths.

--
So now you know the words to our song, pretty soon you'll all be
singing along, when you're sad, when you're lonely and it all
turns out wrong...

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-29 14:44:07 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

If the center of town has the highest priced real estate, that would
make it the "plum center", what? I used "plumb loco", supposedly an
American usage, but didn't find any Americans using it.

Or the same figure of speech as ModAmE "straight-up crazy", only with
down instead of up.

--
Jerry Friedman

Snidely

2021-04-06 22:40:56 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

If the center of town has the highest priced real estate, that would
make it the "plum center", what? I used "plumb loco", supposedly an
American usage, but didn't find any Americans using it.

YRDLSH

/dps

--
I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain

Quinn C

2021-04-07 00:41:13 UTC

Post by s***@my-deja.com
"Plumb Center" is/was the same situation in reverse.

If the center of town has the highest priced real estate, that would
make it the "plum center", what? I used "plumb loco", supposedly an
American usage, but didn't find any Americans using it.

YRDLSH

Right. I would've thought a plumb loco doesn't sell at all, it "lies on
the shelves like lead", which is the German opposite to selling like
hotcakes.

--
The notion that there might be a "truth" of sex, as Foucault
ironically terms it, is produced precisely through the regulatory
practices that generate coherent identities through the matrix of
coherent gender norms. -- Judith Butler

Eric Walker

2021-04-07 00:58:34 UTC

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 12:42:45 +0000, Lewis wrote:

[...]

Different meaning and words. The first is referring to the plum fruit
(and should be spelt plum, not plumb), the second is referring to the
measure. "Plumb loco" means "so crazy it is measurable and verifiable"
and also implies it is deep enough to require equipment to measure its
depths.

I generally agree, save that I suspect that the sense of "plumb" there
refers to a plumb line (found by using a plumb bob) as being straight
down, perfectly vertical. So "plumb loco" would mean unequivocally loco.

--
Cordially,
Eric Walker

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-28 15:55:55 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

Chrysi Cat

2021-03-29 04:01:59 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.

I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost like
the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-29 11:59:00 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost like
the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

This morning, before opening arguments in the Chauvin trial begin,
NPR did a montage of demonstrations from around the world. The
one from London, with a crowd shouting "Black Lives MaTTTTuh"
sounded quite strange!

CDB

2021-03-29 18:41:35 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded like
"prinner", it took me a while to register that they meant
"printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether
they said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer"
[I think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's
almost like the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but
gets hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow
the consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or
"lock".

This morning, before opening arguments in the Chauvin trial begin,
NPR did a montage of demonstrations from around the world. The one
from London, with a crowd shouting "Black Lives MaTTTTuh" sounded
quite strange!

Red lives madder.

--
What wild ecstasy?

CDB

2021-03-29 12:30:48 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded like
"prinner", it took me a while to register that they meant
"printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost
like the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

According to Python, some Scots do it -- Weegies, maybe? The moment
comes at about 1 min 11 secs (YT doesn't seem to be letting you share
starting from a particular point any more).

"E?ll due yue u? a trea?, ma?e!"

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

2021-03-29 17:30:35 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded like
"prinner", it took me a while to register that they meant
"printer".

When that lot says [l??], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost
like the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

According to Python, some Scots do it -- Weegies, maybe? The moment
comes at about 1 min 11 secs (YT doesn't seem to be letting you share
starting from a particular point any more).

Yes it does, but the the method has changed. Stop the video at the time
you want to start; right click on the image and select "Copy video URL
at current time" from the pop-up menu.

This is at 1 min 11 secs;
http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s

Post by CDB
"E?ll due yue u? a trea?, ma?e!"
http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

CDB

2021-03-29 18:45:22 UTC

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded like
"prinner", it took me a while to register that they meant
"printer".

When that lot says [l??], how are we supposed to know whether
they said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer"
[I think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's
almost like the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed,
but gets hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who
swallow the consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot"
or "lock".

According to Python, some Scots do it -- Weegies, maybe? The
moment comes at about 1 min 11 secs (YT doesn't seem to be letting
you share starting from a particular point any more).

Yes it does, but the the method has changed. Stop the video at the
time you want to start; right click on the image and select "Copy
video URL at current time" from the pop-up menu.

Noted. thank you.

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
This is at 1 min 11 secs; http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s

Post by CDB
"E?ll due yue u? a trea?, ma?e!"
http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s

Snidely

2021-04-06 22:44:38 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded like
"prinner", it took me a while to register that they meant
"printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I think I
AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost like the "t" in
"often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets hypercorrected in], but I
haven't been around ones who swallow the consonant in a single-syllable
word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

According to Python, some Scots do it -- Weegies, maybe? The moment
comes at about 1 min 11 secs (YT doesn't seem to be letting you share
starting from a particular point any more).

Didja try right-clicking? It's no longer on the "bar" below the
viewport.

Post by CDB
"E?ll due yue u? a trea?, ma?e!"
http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s

http://youtu.be/TnOdAT6H94s give or take a few.

/dps

--
Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-29 13:40:17 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost like
the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

I'm referring to the glottalization of final consonants that is bog-
standard in Estuary. I was gob-smacked when I heard the Two Princes
doing it in a joint interview on American TV years ago on the occasion
of a charity event marking the tenth anniversary of the death of their mother.

Dylan Kaszynski

2021-03-29 13:53:46 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman
What was wrong with "Computacenta"?

It should've been respelled as Compudasenna:-)

No, we don't talk like that in Britain.

They do in the US. When someone said what sounded
like "prinner", it took me a while to register that they
meant "printer".

When that lot says [lɒʔ], how are we supposed to know whether they
said lop, lot, or lock? Motes and beams, ya know.

You've got to be kidding me.
I've been around people who don't enunciate the "t" in "printer" [I
think I AM one, and I certainly DON'T stress the "t"--it's almost like
the "t" in "often" that's SUPPOSED to be swallowed, but gets
hypercorrected in], but I haven't been around ones who swallow the
consonant in a single-syllable word like "lop", "lot" or "lock".

I think that more often than not I find Europeans use colour and westerners use color
simply because of the fact that westerners like myself like things to be simplified
or rather we are just stupider than the rest of our human compatriots.

charles

2021-03-23 16:45:19 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

In London, in tehn70s & early 80s, we had the ground (first) floor of our
office building telling us it was the "US Government Trade Center".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Tony Cooper

2021-03-23 17:07:17 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

A shopping center/centre in the US may have movie theater/theatre as
part of it.

--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

Quinn C

2021-03-23 17:11:39 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

What about "theatre"? Almost all the institutions, professional
organizations etc. use that spelling in their names.

Can't be easy to keep a page like this straight:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_theater_in_the_United_States>

By the way:
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.

Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

--
Bring home one dismembered body part, once, mind you, once,
and people get twitchy about checking your luggage ever after.
-- Vicereine Cordelia
in L. McMaster Bujold, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-23 17:57:32 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

What about "theatre"? Almost all the institutions, professional
organizations etc. use that spelling in their names.

Yes, sad to say, some Americans distinguish--you see movies, which come
from Hollywood, in a theatre; you see plays, which come from
Stratford-upon-Avon or Broadway (which is only an ocean away from
England) in a theatre.

Post by Quinn C
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_theater_in_the_United_States>
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

Sounds familiar. New York is the only place in the U.S. where live
theater is not in a region.

--
Jerry Friedman

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-23 20:48:00 UTC

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:57:37 AM UTC-6, Jerry Friedman wrote:

[pretentious transpondian spellings]

Post by Quinn C
What about "theatre"? Almost all the institutions, professional
organizations etc. use that spelling in their names.

...

No, no, no. You see movies in a theater; you see plays in a theatre.

Of course, not all Americans use those spellings that way.

--
Jerry Friedman

Garrett Wollman

2021-03-23 21:20:14 UTC

Post by Quinn C
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

Yep. New York so dominates theatrical employment that one of its
streets is practically synonymous with the industry -- "Broadway".
The only city in the US that even comes close is Las Vegas. Compare
"Wall Street", "Sand Hill Road" (venture capital), "the Strip"
(casinos), "Bourbon Street" (Mardi Gras), etc.

In terms of full-time theaters, most large cities have a few, owned or
managed by large national promoters like Live Nation, that serve both
national touring shows (primarily musicals) and concert tours, in
addition to a few non-profit theaters that put on their own
productions of "serious" plays nobody wants to see. Only in New York
are there enough venues, audiences, and talent that "serious" plays
can be done on a for-profit basis.

-GAWollman

bruce bowser

2021-03-23 21:36:22 UTC

Post by Quinn C
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

Yep. New York so dominates theatrical employment that one of its
streets is practically synonymous with the industry -- "Broadway".
The only city in the US that even comes close is Las Vegas. Compare
"Wall Street", "Sand Hill Road" (venture capital), "the Strip"
(casinos), "Bourbon Street" (Mardi Gras), etc.
In terms of full-time theaters, most large cities have a few, owned or
managed by large national promoters like Live Nation, that serve both
national touring shows (primarily musicals) and concert tours, in
addition to a few non-profit theaters that put on their own
productions of "serious" plays nobody wants to see. Only in New York
are there enough venues, audiences, and talent that "serious" plays
can be done on a for-profit basis.
-GAWollman

Well yes, Paris, London and NY are where plays do the best financially.

Peter Moylan

2021-03-24 01:03:06 UTC

Post by Quinn C
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

This is a source of great annoyance to people in Newcastle. When the
state government announces regional spending, it turns out that
Newcastle is not regional. When it's for cities, Newcastle is not a
city. Either way, we miss out.

We all know that the real reason is that this region never votes for the
Liberals, therefore we're not on the pork barrel list.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Chrysi Cat

2021-03-24 01:14:22 UTC

Post by Quinn C
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

This is a source of great annoyance to people in Newcastle. When the
state government announces regional spending, it turns out that
Newcastle is not regional. When it's for cities, Newcastle is not a
city. Either way, we miss out.
We all know that the real reason is that this region never votes for the
Liberals, therefore we're not on the pork barrel list.

And what happens if Labor ever takes over NSW?

Oh, right, that's likely as possible as Wyoming electing Democrats.

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Peter Moylan

2021-03-24 01:46:53 UTC

By the way: | The term regional theatre most often refers to a
professional theatre | outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

This is a source of great annoyance to people in Newcastle. When
the state government announces regional spending, it turns out
that Newcastle is not regional. When it's for cities, Newcastle is
not a city. Either way, we miss out.
We all know that the real reason is that this region never votes
for the Liberals, therefore we're not on the pork barrel list.

And what happens if Labor ever takes over NSW?
Oh, right, that's likely as possible as Wyoming electing Democrats.

Oh, it's possible. The present state government stinks to high heaven,
and might well be thrown out at the next election because of the
cumulative effect of corruption scandals.

The custom in this state is that the incumbent party loses office once
the corruption level is too high to ignore, so we do have a steady
alternation.

Labor governments have been no better, historically, but they don't have
quite the same pork-barreling history. They're corrupt in different ways.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Mark Brader

2021-03-24 04:21:37 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
This is a source of great annoyance to people in Newcastle. When the
state government announces regional spending, it turns out that
Newcastle is not regional. When it's for cities, Newcastle is not a
city.

This reminds me of the Metropolitan Railway. When the British government
forced the countriy's 120+ railways to merge into four, they were excused
on the grounds that they only operated in the London area. Then 12 years
later the British government forced the control of London's underground
railways to be turned over to an appointed board -- and the Metropolitan
demanded to be excused on the grounds that they were a main-line railway.

They lost that one, though.

--
Mark Brader | Well, unfortunately, that is impossible, or very difficult, or
Toronto | highly inadvisable, or would require legislation--one of those.
***@vex.net | -- Sir Humphrey ("Yes Minister", Lynn & Jay)

My text in this article is in the public domain.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-24 08:13:24 UTC

Post by Quinn C
| The term regional theatre most often refers to a professional theatre
| outside New York City.
Whoa! Really? Chicago or LA as reginoal as Poughkeepsie in this case?

Something the UK Post Office used to complain about is that when people
wanted to address a letter to Newcastle-upon-Tyne they wrote
"Newcastle-upon-Tyne" on the envelope. So far so good. But when people
wanted to send one to Newcastle-under-Lyme (a much less well known
place) they just wrote "Newcastle" and expected the Post Office to
guess which one they meant.

I suppose occasionally they had ones where Newcastle, NSW, was
intended. At least twice when I lived in Birmingham I received letters
from the USA that had been rerouted via Indianapolis. Why? you may ask.
Because my postcode was B31 1ND. I once had one that had "Missent to
Wake" rubber-stamped on it: I never figured out why such a weird error
might be made. Maybe it got attached to one that really was going to
Wake Island.

Post by Peter Moylan
We all know that the real reason is that this region never votes for the
Liberals, therefore we're not on the pork barrel list.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-24 14:29:31 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Something the UK Post Office used to complain about is that when people
"Newcastle-upon-Tyne" on the envelope. So far so good. But when people
wanted to send one to Newcastle-under-Lyme (a much less well known
place) they just wrote "Newcastle" and expected the Post Office to
guess which one they meant.
I suppose occasionally they had ones where Newcastle, NSW, was
intended. At least twice when I lived in Birmingham I received letters
from the USA that had been rerouted via Indianapolis. Why? you may ask.
Because my postcode was B31 1ND. I once had one that had "Missent to
Wake" rubber-stamped on it: I never figured out why such a weird error
might be made. Maybe it got attached to one that really was going to
Wake Island.

Wake Island's ZIP Code is 96898. It's in Honolulu County, HI.

s***@my-deja.com

2021-03-24 16:04:02 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.

Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Tony Cooper

2021-03-24 16:21:21 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-24 18:08:07 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

Back in the 1930s there was said to be a letter addressed to "(Person's
name), Arijaba", which was delivered without delay to the right person
near the harbour in Harwich. I think Ernest Gowers mentioned it in his
book Plain Words.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

musika

2021-03-24 18:48:40 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

--
Ray
UK

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-24 19:23:22 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Madhu

2021-03-25 06:43:43 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Back in the 1930s there was said to be a letter addressed to
"(Person's name), Arijaba", which was delivered without delay to the
right person near the harbour in Harwich. I think Ernest Gowers
mentioned it in his book Plain Words.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

fortune tells a story where US mail tops that

%
Two men once wrote to Mark Twain. Not having his
address, they marked the envelope,

Mark Twain
God knows where

They received a response from him: "He did."
%

Bill Day

2021-03-25 14:23:10 UTC

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:23:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

Very nice article... except that they got the Earl of "Morray" wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Moray

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Sam Plusnet

2021-03-25 20:11:44 UTC

Post by Bill Day
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:23:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

Very nice article... except that they got the Earl of "Morray" wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Moray

Eel be upset about that.

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

musika

2021-03-25 21:33:38 UTC

Post by Bill Day
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:23:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

On 2021-03-24 16:21:21 +0000, Tony Cooper said: Back in the
1930s there was said to be a letter addressed to "(Person's
name), Arijaba", which was delivered without delay to the
right person near the harbour in Harwich. I think Ernest
Gowers mentioned it in his book Plain Words.

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-it-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

Very nice article... except that they got the Earl of "Morray"
wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Moray

Eel be upset about that.

Moray mints, Moray mints
Too good to horay mints.

--
Ray
UK

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-03-26 09:15:49 UTC

Post by Bill Day
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:23:22 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

<https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/11485.its-not-what-you-say-i
t-is-the-way-you-say-it/>

Good find! I don't often (or ever, usually) read the Bucks Free Press.

Very nice article... except that they got the Earl of "Morray"
wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Moray

Eel be upset about that.

Moray mints, Moray mints
Too good to horay mints.

The ever excitable Murray Walker <vroom!> is no more.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-24 20:53:07 UTC

Post by Tony Cooper
Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

Large apartment houses can have more than one ZIP+four (but only
one street address), just as they can have more than one Election
District (Chicago: precinct), depending on the number of units and
the number of voters respectively.

Lewis

2021-03-25 01:31:29 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

Theoretically, I can address an envelope using only the person's name
and the ZIP plus four to a US postal patron. The "plus four" is the
street address. I've never tried it, though.

That may be true for address in your area, but it is not generally true.
In dense population areas a zip+4 may identify a group of houses, an
apartment building, or maybe even an entire block,

PO Boxes are usually assigned a unique zip+4 where the zip code is the PO
Box zip and the +4 is the PO Box number, but I believe even there there
are exceptions.

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this way, but you won’t accept my help because I’m a woman?
Pig: Quite right.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-24 18:04:24 UTC

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

It was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure that the letters that came
via Indianapolis had "England" on the envelope, but the sorter (or
sorting machine) overlooked it.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Tony Cooper

2021-03-24 18:49:38 UTC

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:04:24 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

It was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure that the letters that came
via Indianapolis had "England" on the envelope, but the sorter (or
sorting machine) overlooked it.

There is both an English, Indiana and a London, Indiana in the state.
There is also a Bank of England located in Valparaiso, Indiana.

There is also a New Castle, Indiana and a Birmingham, Indiana.

--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

Graham

2021-03-24 19:20:09 UTC

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:04:24 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

It was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure that the letters that came
via Indianapolis had "England" on the envelope, but the sorter (or
sorting machine) overlooked it.

There is both an English, Indiana and a London, Indiana in the state.
There is also a Bank of England located in Valparaiso, Indiana.
There is also a New Castle, Indiana and a Birmingham, Indiana.

And numerous East Anglian place-names in New England.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-03-24 19:25:25 UTC

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:04:24 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Within the UK all you need is the house/building number and the postcode.
This eliminates the "which Newcastle/which Newport" problem completely.
Other potentially misleading names can just be omitted.
Of course when sending from another country it is wise to include
the nation of destination, in both languages if appropriate.

It was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure that the letters that came
via Indianapolis had "England" on the envelope, but the sorter (or
sorting machine) overlooked it.

There is both an English, Indiana and a London, Indiana in the state.
There is also a Bank of England located in Valparaiso, Indiana.
There is also a New Castle, Indiana and a Birmingham, Indiana.

So, in PTD's charming expression, they ripped off these names from
their originators?

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Peter T. Daniels

2021-03-24 20:56:25 UTC

Post by Tony Cooper
There is both an English, Indiana and a London, Indiana in the state.
There is also a Bank of England located in Valparaiso, Indiana.
There is also a New Castle, Indiana and a Birmingham, Indiana.

So, in PTD's charming expression, they ripped off these names from
their originators?

Sorry, how do you "rip off" a name? Usually, they were fondly remembering
their places of origin. Sometimes they were flattering a patron.

Lewis

2021-03-23 17:51:46 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

Centre is very common in the US, and has been for a very long time.
Somce about 1950 it's been about 10% of the use of center, and before
that it was more common.

The trend you think of as new is older than you are, I think. And, of
course, "center" is quite modern, being barely 200 years old.

A quick look at Google found a Boston Directory from 1870 "thence by the
centre of the avenue leading from Warren bridge to Causeway" which is
talking about the US City of Boston. Finding example from the 19th
century and the early 20th century in the US is not difficult (center
didn't pass centre in the US corpus until about 1890).

Theatre, as well, though theater didn't pass theatre in the US corpus
until the 1970s.

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world is weird and people take Prozac to make it appear normal.

musika

2021-03-23 19:35:11 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

Center has been around a lot longer than the USA has. Shakespeare and
Milton bear witness.
Centre only took over in Britland after Johnson used that spelling in
his dictionary.

--
Ray
UK

Peter Moylan

2021-03-24 01:06:57 UTC

Post by Lewis
The trend you think of as new is older than you are, I think. And, of
course, "center" is quite modern, being barely 200 years old.

Center has been around a lot longer than the USA has. Shakespeare and
Milton bear witness.
Centre only took over in Britland after Johnson used that spelling in
his dictionary.

If we were serious about phonetic spelling (all dialects) we would spell
it "centr".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

musika

2021-03-24 02:18:42 UTC

Post by Lewis
The trend you think of as new is older than you are, I think. And, of
course, "center" is quite modern, being barely 200 years old.

Center has been around a lot longer than the USA has. Shakespeare and
Milton bear witness.
Centre only took over in Britland after Johnson used that spelling in
his dictionary.

If we were serious about phonetic spelling (all dialects) we would spell
it "centr".

It would be easier to go back to centrum.

--
Ray
UK

Mark Brader

2021-03-24 04:22:18 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
If we were serious about phonetic spelling (all dialects) we would spell
it "centr".

I think you mean "sentr".

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Toronto | of the electromagnetic spectrum chart."
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Peter Moylan

2021-03-24 04:35:49 UTC

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Peter Moylan
If we were serious about phonetic spelling (all dialects) we would spell
it "centr".

I think you mean "sentr".

Conceded.

We'll probably never go back to the Latin pronunciation with a [k].

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Peter Moylan

2021-03-24 01:03:48 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

I thought we all agreed on the spelling of "amour".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Jerry Friedman

2021-03-24 01:28:46 UTC

Post by bruce bowser
Do you find either spelling particularly wrong or correct?

I thought we all agreed on the spelling of "amour".

We do when it's a brand of clothing for Our Under Arm, but the shining
stuff knights wear is "armor" over/up/down here.

--
Jerry Friedman

Dingbat

2021-03-25 19:47:18 UTC