[Goanet]'Jazzy Joe' ..................would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of Goa Day.

[renebarreto]

21-Aug-2003 musicmessenger




Jazzy Joe



Goa's most prominent jazz musician will be recording his debut album in Goa.
He would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of
Goa Day. Here's a brief profile of the musicians performing on the album:
Joe Periera Popularly known as 'Jazzy Joe', this octogeneranian has proven
that music, besides being the food of love, could also be the magic elixir
of youth. Joe recently went on stage at the Jazz Yatra to enthrall the
audience with an exuberance that people half his age would not have. Jazzy
Joe is currently the toast of the jazz scene in Mumbai where he performs
regularly at places like Jazz by the Bay and Soul Fry besides numerous high
profile events around the country. Joe has carved a comfortable niche for
himself as one of India's most accomplished musicians having arrranged music
in the indian film industry for decades while arranging music for big bands.
Besides being a virtuoso saxophonist he also plays violin, flute, clarinet
and piano! Angel AV the record company from Goa that has been promoting goan
talent worldwide, has decided to record the mult-instrument talent of this
amazing musician. So after decades of live performances Jazzy Joe is now
ready to record his debut album in the land that gave him his talent-Goa!
Bonny Remedios India's answer to the father of jazz Louis Armstrong. Bonny
Remedios band leader, pianist, singer, showman ruled the swinging sixties in
Mumbai. Bonny became popular initially for his amazing renditions of Louis
Armstrong songs. He soon established himself as an entertainer in his own
right with a wide repetoire of jazz standards including songs that brought
tears of laughter to peoples eyes. Bonny has spent a lifetime entertaining
people at fivestar hotels in India and the middle east. His is the voice on
many an ad commercial. A recent commercial featuring Bonny that's making
waves on television is the animated 'Hutch' ad where a little girls speaks
over Bonny singing the Louis Armstrong version of 'I'm in the mood for
love'. Bonny a 'Mumbai' goan looks forward to performing/recording in Goa.
Colin D'Cruz Here is one of the few bassplayers worldwide, who has been a
member of over seventy different live music ensembles. His unique sound and
style has given him an individual voice in today's world of music. Having
played just about every genre of music, with a continuously growing list of
bands, Colin attributes his virtuosity to an open mind, open ears and a best
is yet to come philosophy. He is constantly influenced by evolving forms of
rhythm, melody and harmony that invariably gets absorbed into his music.
Colin had recently been a part of the goan music scene when he set up some
popular bands in Goa like Just Jazz, Obligato and Blues Power. Colin is
currently on a worldwide tour with singer Sonu Nigaam. He will be
co-producing Jazz Joes recording along with Orlando of Angel AV. Adrian
D'Souza The only Indian jazz musician who has managed to establish himself
as a much in demand live/session drummer in the heart of it all New York
city USA! He is also the first Indian to be invited to perform with the
world jazz orchestra. Adrian is currently based in New York and tours
worldwide with America's premier jazz vocalist Roseanna Vitro. He has also
performed and recorded with jazz legends like Eddie Gomez, George Brooks and
Eddie Henderson to name a few. He is on the verge of releasing his solo
album recorded in the US, featuring some of the worlds best talent. Adrian
is a goan by origin and can't wait to display his talent in the land of
music-Goa!


www.angelav.com

21-Aug-2003
musicmessenger

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Goan Musicians

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Beyond World Goa Day Celebrations of 2003
by Gilbert Lawrence, M.D., DMRT (England), FRCR (London).
E-mail address: gilbertlaw at adephia.net. Thoughtful comments on this
article are welcome and appreciated.
Please feel free to transmit this article to individuals and
associations.

The big celebrations of World Goa Day (WGD) came to a crescendo on the
historic August 20. Undoubtedly some organizations will continue to have
their WGD celebration for the remainder of the year depending on their
own climate and national calendars. On August 20 in 1992 Konkani, the
language of the Goan people was included in the 8th Schedule of the
Indian Constitution by both houses of Parliament. This recognition as a
separate and distinct language has been the life-time work of many
illustrious Goans. August 20, is thus a proud historic day for Goans as
language is one of the six major criteria that identifies a group of
people as a distinctive society as per anthropological and sociological
studies.

Maintaining that Goan identity throughout Goa and the Diaspora is the
WGD celebrations in each Goan community. These events have been
assiduously coordinated by Mr. Rene Barreto from his headquarters in
London. Each year these celebrations grow in the number of cities
organizing them as well as the increasing elaborate efforts that other
regions are putting in the celebration. This has undoubtedly brought
Goans closer together in their communities as well as within their
respective countries. The WGD celebrations have brought forth some
positive achievements and give publicity to others. These include the
awareness and pride in Konkani, the practical work of Goa Sudharop to
make structural changes in Goan life by working at the local level.
Similarly some Goan associations have embarked on projects to help
individuals and institutions in Goa. Yours truly (my wife and I) were
stimulated to undertake the study on Goan rituals and culture. And
having done so to print the material (76-page book) under the title
"Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa". Goans world-wide (UK, USA,
Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania and Middle East to
name a few) celebrated World Goa Day in their own countries. Mr. Rene
Barreto, convener of the event, through the website [www.goaday.com] of
World Goa Day encourages Goans to host the WGD to remind us of the need
to preserve our culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for
our children, the non-Goan community, and for posterity. From all
reports, Diaspora Goans have heeded his call. A full listing of all the
celebrations throughout the world is outlined in the website which is a
must read for a Goan.

Question now are where we go from here and what are the next
achievements? As I have followed these celebrations and enjoyed
watching the growing working relationship within each community, in my
opinion, the next step is to bring the city- wide Goan organizations
together into a country-wide organization and ultimately into a global
relationship. The strength of the organization depends on the numbers
of Goans that belong to and support them as well as the successes and
achievements of the association. The bigger the institute the easier it
is to undertake the larger challenges and achieve a higher level of
success. Some Goan organizations have done an excellent job and they
need to share their secrets of success. Others can emulate them rather
than 'rediscovering the wheel'. Goans in Kuwait have a GOAN WELFARE
SOCIETY. This is an interesting concept which should be shared with
other Goan Diaspora in terms of its functions, actions and funding. For
most Goans associations in the Diaspora, here are some goals that
organizations can set:

1. Strengthen the local organization through well defined bylaws,
accounting practices and election procedures.
2. Assure that all segments of the Goan community are represented in the
executive committee -
Age groups, sex, geographical distribution, recent vs. old
immigrants, different skills.
3. Appoint individuals on the committee for well defined community tasks
in addition to the usual committee work.
4. The executive committee and board of these organizations set their
year's goals soon after the election.
5. Form or strengthen the 'National Working Group' for each country.
6. Form a network of 'National Working Group' for each continent.

In the internet era of the twenty-first century, web pages and e-mails,
the interactions can be easy and inexpensive. The most important
ingredients are desire, effort and time. And these components are
priceless. I call upon and strongly urge Goans who have taken 'early
retirement' to step up to the plate and take an active interest in their
Goan community. It will definitely help the community - their children
and grandchildren. Also a new interest late in life will have positive
benefits on one's own healthcare, physical and mental status and in
prevention of illness like Alzheimer's (scientific data to prove it- See
August issue of New England of Medicine). In each country, the
responsibilities of the National Goan Working Group among others tasks
would be:

1. Hosting the annual National WGD celebrations.
2. Be a 'clearing house' to coordinate the various Goan events in their
region / country
to avoid duplication of social/cultural events on the same weekend.
3. Facilitate and encourage Goan organizations in neighboring regions to
support each other's functions.
4. Assure that Goan culture is vibrant within their communities and in
their adopted country.
5. Establish a directory of Goans within their country
6. Work so the wider non-Goan society appreciates, respects and esteems
the value of Goans and Goa.
7. Work with organizations within Goa and here 'the sky is the limit'.
8. Provide leadership in their country so that isolated Goan
associations get help, advice and encouragement.
9. Facilitate / form a Goan Retirees / Senior Citizen organization in
their country.
10. Facilitate / form a Goan Writers organization in their country.
11. Facilitate / form one or more Goan Artist organization - musicians,
painters, sculptures, crafts etc.
12. Facilitate / form other Goan scientific professional organizations
in their country.
13. Identify their national priorities and challenges affecting Goan
communities in their country.
14. Work with other Goan national organizations across the continent and
across the globe.

Hopefully the specialty Goan groups in their get-together will focus on
issues as they relate to their own communities in the Diasporas as well
as in Goa. Hopefully the presidents of the various Goan organizations
and leaders in various countries will take the lead in moving their Goan
communities in the Diasporas progressively to the fore in the
twenty-first century. Regards, Dr. Gilbert Lawrence.

[renebarreto]

21-Aug-2003 musicmessenger




Jazzy Joe



Goa's most prominent jazz musician will be recording his debut album in Goa.
He would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of
Goa Day. Here's a brief profile of the musicians performing on the album:
Joe Periera Popularly known as 'Jazzy Joe', this octogeneranian has proven
that music, besides being the food of love, could also be the magic elixir
of youth. Joe recently went on stage at the Jazz Yatra to enthrall the
audience with an exuberance that people half his age would not have. Jazzy
Joe is currently the toast of the jazz scene in Mumbai where he performs
regularly at places like Jazz by the Bay and Soul Fry besides numerous high
profile events around the country. Joe has carved a comfortable niche for
himself as one of India's most accomplished musicians having arrranged music
in the indian film industry for decades while arranging music for big bands.
Besides being a virtuoso saxophonist he also plays violin, flute, clarinet
and piano! Angel AV the record company from Goa that has been promoting goan
talent worldwide, has decided to record the mult-instrument talent of this
amazing musician. So after decades of live performances Jazzy Joe is now
ready to record his debut album in the land that gave him his talent-Goa!
Bonny Remedios India's answer to the father of jazz Louis Armstrong. Bonny
Remedios band leader, pianist, singer, showman ruled the swinging sixties in
Mumbai. Bonny became popular initially for his amazing renditions of Louis
Armstrong songs. He soon established himself as an entertainer in his own
right with a wide repetoire of jazz standards including songs that brought
tears of laughter to peoples eyes. Bonny has spent a lifetime entertaining
people at fivestar hotels in India and the middle east. His is the voice on
many an ad commercial. A recent commercial featuring Bonny that's making
waves on television is the animated 'Hutch' ad where a little girls speaks
over Bonny singing the Louis Armstrong version of 'I'm in the mood for
love'. Bonny a 'Mumbai' goan looks forward to performing/recording in Goa.
Colin D'Cruz Here is one of the few bassplayers worldwide, who has been a
member of over seventy different live music ensembles. His unique sound and
style has given him an individual voice in today's world of music. Having
played just about every genre of music, with a continuously growing list of
bands, Colin attributes his virtuosity to an open mind, open ears and a best
is yet to come philosophy. He is constantly influenced by evolving forms of
rhythm, melody and harmony that invariably gets absorbed into his music.
Colin had recently been a part of the goan music scene when he set up some
popular bands in Goa like Just Jazz, Obligato and Blues Power. Colin is
currently on a worldwide tour with singer Sonu Nigaam. He will be
co-producing Jazz Joes recording along with Orlando of Angel AV. Adrian
D'Souza The only Indian jazz musician who has managed to establish himself
as a much in demand live/session drummer in the heart of it all New York
city USA! He is also the first Indian to be invited to perform with the
world jazz orchestra. Adrian is currently based in New York and tours
worldwide with America's premier jazz vocalist Roseanna Vitro. He has also
performed and recorded with jazz legends like Eddie Gomez, George Brooks and
Eddie Henderson to name a few. He is on the verge of releasing his solo
album recorded in the US, featuring some of the worlds best talent. Adrian
is a goan by origin and can't wait to display his talent in the land of
music-Goa!


www.angelav.com

21-Aug-2003
musicmessenger

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Goan Musicians

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Beyond World Goa Day Celebrations of 2003
by Gilbert Lawrence, M.D., DMRT (England), FRCR (London).
E-mail address: gilbertlaw at adephia.net. Thoughtful comments on this
article are welcome and appreciated.
Please feel free to transmit this article to individuals and
associations.

The big celebrations of World Goa Day (WGD) came to a crescendo on the
historic August 20. Undoubtedly some organizations will continue to have
their WGD celebration for the remainder of the year depending on their
own climate and national calendars. On August 20 in 1992 Konkani, the
language of the Goan people was included in the 8th Schedule of the
Indian Constitution by both houses of Parliament. This recognition as a
separate and distinct language has been the life-time work of many
illustrious Goans. August 20, is thus a proud historic day for Goans as
language is one of the six major criteria that identifies a group of
people as a distinctive society as per anthropological and sociological
studies.

Maintaining that Goan identity throughout Goa and the Diaspora is the
WGD celebrations in each Goan community. These events have been
assiduously coordinated by Mr. Rene Barreto from his headquarters in
London. Each year these celebrations grow in the number of cities
organizing them as well as the increasing elaborate efforts that other
regions are putting in the celebration. This has undoubtedly brought
Goans closer together in their communities as well as within their
respective countries. The WGD celebrations have brought forth some
positive achievements and give publicity to others. These include the
awareness and pride in Konkani, the practical work of Goa Sudharop to
make structural changes in Goan life by working at the local level.
Similarly some Goan associations have embarked on projects to help
individuals and institutions in Goa. Yours truly (my wife and I) were
stimulated to undertake the study on Goan rituals and culture. And
having done so to print the material (76-page book) under the title
"Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa". Goans world-wide (UK, USA,
Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania and Middle East to
name a few) celebrated World Goa Day in their own countries. Mr. Rene
Barreto, convener of the event, through the website [www.goaday.com] of
World Goa Day encourages Goans to host the WGD to remind us of the need
to preserve our culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for
our children, the non-Goan community, and for posterity. From all
reports, Diaspora Goans have heeded his call. A full listing of all the
celebrations throughout the world is outlined in the website which is a
must read for a Goan.

Question now are where we go from here and what are the next
achievements? As I have followed these celebrations and enjoyed
watching the growing working relationship within each community, in my
opinion, the next step is to bring the city- wide Goan organizations
together into a country-wide organization and ultimately into a global
relationship. The strength of the organization depends on the numbers
of Goans that belong to and support them as well as the successes and
achievements of the association. The bigger the institute the easier it
is to undertake the larger challenges and achieve a higher level of
success. Some Goan organizations have done an excellent job and they
need to share their secrets of success. Others can emulate them rather
than 'rediscovering the wheel'. Goans in Kuwait have a GOAN WELFARE
SOCIETY. This is an interesting concept which should be shared with
other Goan Diaspora in terms of its functions, actions and funding. For
most Goans associations in the Diaspora, here are some goals that
organizations can set:

1. Strengthen the local organization through well defined bylaws,
accounting practices and election procedures.
2. Assure that all segments of the Goan community are represented in the
executive committee -
Age groups, sex, geographical distribution, recent vs. old
immigrants, different skills.
3. Appoint individuals on the committee for well defined community tasks
in addition to the usual committee work.
4. The executive committee and board of these organizations set their
year's goals soon after the election.
5. Form or strengthen the 'National Working Group' for each country.
6. Form a network of 'National Working Group' for each continent.

In the internet era of the twenty-first century, web pages and e-mails,
the interactions can be easy and inexpensive. The most important
ingredients are desire, effort and time. And these components are
priceless. I call upon and strongly urge Goans who have taken 'early
retirement' to step up to the plate and take an active interest in their
Goan community. It will definitely help the community - their children
and grandchildren. Also a new interest late in life will have positive
benefits on one's own healthcare, physical and mental status and in
prevention of illness like Alzheimer's (scientific data to prove it- See
August issue of New England of Medicine). In each country, the
responsibilities of the National Goan Working Group among others tasks
would be:

1. Hosting the annual National WGD celebrations.
2. Be a 'clearing house' to coordinate the various Goan events in their
region / country
to avoid duplication of social/cultural events on the same weekend.
3. Facilitate and encourage Goan organizations in neighboring regions to
support each other's functions.
4. Assure that Goan culture is vibrant within their communities and in
their adopted country.
5. Establish a directory of Goans within their country
6. Work so the wider non-Goan society appreciates, respects and esteems
the value of Goans and Goa.
7. Work with organizations within Goa and here 'the sky is the limit'.
8. Provide leadership in their country so that isolated Goan
associations get help, advice and encouragement.
9. Facilitate / form a Goan Retirees / Senior Citizen organization in
their country.
10. Facilitate / form a Goan Writers organization in their country.
11. Facilitate / form one or more Goan Artist organization - musicians,
painters, sculptures, crafts etc.
12. Facilitate / form other Goan scientific professional organizations
in their country.
13. Identify their national priorities and challenges affecting Goan
communities in their country.
14. Work with other Goan national organizations across the continent and
across the globe.

Hopefully the specialty Goan groups in their get-together will focus on
issues as they relate to their own communities in the Diasporas as well
as in Goa. Hopefully the presidents of the various Goan organizations
and leaders in various countries will take the lead in moving their Goan
communities in the Diasporas progressively to the fore in the
twenty-first century. Regards, Dr. Gilbert Lawrence.

[renebarreto]

21-Aug-2003 musicmessenger




Jazzy Joe



Goa's most prominent jazz musician will be recording his debut album in Goa.
He would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of
Goa Day. Here's a brief profile of the musicians performing on the album:
Joe Periera Popularly known as 'Jazzy Joe', this octogeneranian has proven
that music, besides being the food of love, could also be the magic elixir
of youth. Joe recently went on stage at the Jazz Yatra to enthrall the
audience with an exuberance that people half his age would not have. Jazzy
Joe is currently the toast of the jazz scene in Mumbai where he performs
regularly at places like Jazz by the Bay and Soul Fry besides numerous high
profile events around the country. Joe has carved a comfortable niche for
himself as one of India's most accomplished musicians having arrranged music
in the indian film industry for decades while arranging music for big bands.
Besides being a virtuoso saxophonist he also plays violin, flute, clarinet
and piano! Angel AV the record company from Goa that has been promoting goan
talent worldwide, has decided to record the mult-instrument talent of this
amazing musician. So after decades of live performances Jazzy Joe is now
ready to record his debut album in the land that gave him his talent-Goa!
Bonny Remedios India's answer to the father of jazz Louis Armstrong. Bonny
Remedios band leader, pianist, singer, showman ruled the swinging sixties in
Mumbai. Bonny became popular initially for his amazing renditions of Louis
Armstrong songs. He soon established himself as an entertainer in his own
right with a wide repetoire of jazz standards including songs that brought
tears of laughter to peoples eyes. Bonny has spent a lifetime entertaining
people at fivestar hotels in India and the middle east. His is the voice on
many an ad commercial. A recent commercial featuring Bonny that's making
waves on television is the animated 'Hutch' ad where a little girls speaks
over Bonny singing the Louis Armstrong version of 'I'm in the mood for
love'. Bonny a 'Mumbai' goan looks forward to performing/recording in Goa.
Colin D'Cruz Here is one of the few bassplayers worldwide, who has been a
member of over seventy different live music ensembles. His unique sound and
style has given him an individual voice in today's world of music. Having
played just about every genre of music, with a continuously growing list of
bands, Colin attributes his virtuosity to an open mind, open ears and a best
is yet to come philosophy. He is constantly influenced by evolving forms of
rhythm, melody and harmony that invariably gets absorbed into his music.
Colin had recently been a part of the goan music scene when he set up some
popular bands in Goa like Just Jazz, Obligato and Blues Power. Colin is
currently on a worldwide tour with singer Sonu Nigaam. He will be
co-producing Jazz Joes recording along with Orlando of Angel AV. Adrian
D'Souza The only Indian jazz musician who has managed to establish himself
as a much in demand live/session drummer in the heart of it all New York
city USA! He is also the first Indian to be invited to perform with the
world jazz orchestra. Adrian is currently based in New York and tours
worldwide with America's premier jazz vocalist Roseanna Vitro. He has also
performed and recorded with jazz legends like Eddie Gomez, George Brooks and
Eddie Henderson to name a few. He is on the verge of releasing his solo
album recorded in the US, featuring some of the worlds best talent. Adrian
is a goan by origin and can't wait to display his talent in the land of
music-Goa!


www.angelav.com

21-Aug-2003
musicmessenger

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Goan Musicians

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Beyond World Goa Day Celebrations of 2003
by Gilbert Lawrence, M.D., DMRT (England), FRCR (London).
E-mail address: gilbertlaw at adephia.net. Thoughtful comments on this
article are welcome and appreciated.
Please feel free to transmit this article to individuals and
associations.

The big celebrations of World Goa Day (WGD) came to a crescendo on the
historic August 20. Undoubtedly some organizations will continue to have
their WGD celebration for the remainder of the year depending on their
own climate and national calendars. On August 20 in 1992 Konkani, the
language of the Goan people was included in the 8th Schedule of the
Indian Constitution by both houses of Parliament. This recognition as a
separate and distinct language has been the life-time work of many
illustrious Goans. August 20, is thus a proud historic day for Goans as
language is one of the six major criteria that identifies a group of
people as a distinctive society as per anthropological and sociological
studies.

Maintaining that Goan identity throughout Goa and the Diaspora is the
WGD celebrations in each Goan community. These events have been
assiduously coordinated by Mr. Rene Barreto from his headquarters in
London. Each year these celebrations grow in the number of cities
organizing them as well as the increasing elaborate efforts that other
regions are putting in the celebration. This has undoubtedly brought
Goans closer together in their communities as well as within their
respective countries. The WGD celebrations have brought forth some
positive achievements and give publicity to others. These include the
awareness and pride in Konkani, the practical work of Goa Sudharop to
make structural changes in Goan life by working at the local level.
Similarly some Goan associations have embarked on projects to help
individuals and institutions in Goa. Yours truly (my wife and I) were
stimulated to undertake the study on Goan rituals and culture. And
having done so to print the material (76-page book) under the title
"Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa". Goans world-wide (UK, USA,
Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania and Middle East to
name a few) celebrated World Goa Day in their own countries. Mr. Rene
Barreto, convener of the event, through the website [www.goaday.com] of
World Goa Day encourages Goans to host the WGD to remind us of the need
to preserve our culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for
our children, the non-Goan community, and for posterity. From all
reports, Diaspora Goans have heeded his call. A full listing of all the
celebrations throughout the world is outlined in the website which is a
must read for a Goan.

Question now are where we go from here and what are the next
achievements? As I have followed these celebrations and enjoyed
watching the growing working relationship within each community, in my
opinion, the next step is to bring the city- wide Goan organizations
together into a country-wide organization and ultimately into a global
relationship. The strength of the organization depends on the numbers
of Goans that belong to and support them as well as the successes and
achievements of the association. The bigger the institute the easier it
is to undertake the larger challenges and achieve a higher level of
success. Some Goan organizations have done an excellent job and they
need to share their secrets of success. Others can emulate them rather
than 'rediscovering the wheel'. Goans in Kuwait have a GOAN WELFARE
SOCIETY. This is an interesting concept which should be shared with
other Goan Diaspora in terms of its functions, actions and funding. For
most Goans associations in the Diaspora, here are some goals that
organizations can set:

1. Strengthen the local organization through well defined bylaws,
accounting practices and election procedures.
2. Assure that all segments of the Goan community are represented in the
executive committee -
Age groups, sex, geographical distribution, recent vs. old
immigrants, different skills.
3. Appoint individuals on the committee for well defined community tasks
in addition to the usual committee work.
4. The executive committee and board of these organizations set their
year's goals soon after the election.
5. Form or strengthen the 'National Working Group' for each country.
6. Form a network of 'National Working Group' for each continent.

In the internet era of the twenty-first century, web pages and e-mails,
the interactions can be easy and inexpensive. The most important
ingredients are desire, effort and time. And these components are
priceless. I call upon and strongly urge Goans who have taken 'early
retirement' to step up to the plate and take an active interest in their
Goan community. It will definitely help the community - their children
and grandchildren. Also a new interest late in life will have positive
benefits on one's own healthcare, physical and mental status and in
prevention of illness like Alzheimer's (scientific data to prove it- See
August issue of New England of Medicine). In each country, the
responsibilities of the National Goan Working Group among others tasks
would be:

1. Hosting the annual National WGD celebrations.
2. Be a 'clearing house' to coordinate the various Goan events in their
region / country
to avoid duplication of social/cultural events on the same weekend.
3. Facilitate and encourage Goan organizations in neighboring regions to
support each other's functions.
4. Assure that Goan culture is vibrant within their communities and in
their adopted country.
5. Establish a directory of Goans within their country
6. Work so the wider non-Goan society appreciates, respects and esteems
the value of Goans and Goa.
7. Work with organizations within Goa and here 'the sky is the limit'.
8. Provide leadership in their country so that isolated Goan
associations get help, advice and encouragement.
9. Facilitate / form a Goan Retirees / Senior Citizen organization in
their country.
10. Facilitate / form a Goan Writers organization in their country.
11. Facilitate / form one or more Goan Artist organization - musicians,
painters, sculptures, crafts etc.
12. Facilitate / form other Goan scientific professional organizations
in their country.
13. Identify their national priorities and challenges affecting Goan
communities in their country.
14. Work with other Goan national organizations across the continent and
across the globe.

Hopefully the specialty Goan groups in their get-together will focus on
issues as they relate to their own communities in the Diasporas as well
as in Goa. Hopefully the presidents of the various Goan organizations
and leaders in various countries will take the lead in moving their Goan
communities in the Diasporas progressively to the fore in the
twenty-first century. Regards, Dr. Gilbert Lawrence.

[renebarreto]

21-Aug-2003 musicmessenger




Jazzy Joe



Goa's most prominent jazz musician will be recording his debut album in Goa.
He would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of
Goa Day. Here's a brief profile of the musicians performing on the album:
Joe Periera Popularly known as 'Jazzy Joe', this octogeneranian has proven
that music, besides being the food of love, could also be the magic elixir
of youth. Joe recently went on stage at the Jazz Yatra to enthrall the
audience with an exuberance that people half his age would not have. Jazzy
Joe is currently the toast of the jazz scene in Mumbai where he performs
regularly at places like Jazz by the Bay and Soul Fry besides numerous high
profile events around the country. Joe has carved a comfortable niche for
himself as one of India's most accomplished musicians having arrranged music
in the indian film industry for decades while arranging music for big bands.
Besides being a virtuoso saxophonist he also plays violin, flute, clarinet
and piano! Angel AV the record company from Goa that has been promoting goan
talent worldwide, has decided to record the mult-instrument talent of this
amazing musician. So after decades of live performances Jazzy Joe is now
ready to record his debut album in the land that gave him his talent-Goa!
Bonny Remedios India's answer to the father of jazz Louis Armstrong. Bonny
Remedios band leader, pianist, singer, showman ruled the swinging sixties in
Mumbai. Bonny became popular initially for his amazing renditions of Louis
Armstrong songs. He soon established himself as an entertainer in his own
right with a wide repetoire of jazz standards including songs that brought
tears of laughter to peoples eyes. Bonny has spent a lifetime entertaining
people at fivestar hotels in India and the middle east. His is the voice on
many an ad commercial. A recent commercial featuring Bonny that's making
waves on television is the animated 'Hutch' ad where a little girls speaks
over Bonny singing the Louis Armstrong version of 'I'm in the mood for
love'. Bonny a 'Mumbai' goan looks forward to performing/recording in Goa.
Colin D'Cruz Here is one of the few bassplayers worldwide, who has been a
member of over seventy different live music ensembles. His unique sound and
style has given him an individual voice in today's world of music. Having
played just about every genre of music, with a continuously growing list of
bands, Colin attributes his virtuosity to an open mind, open ears and a best
is yet to come philosophy. He is constantly influenced by evolving forms of
rhythm, melody and harmony that invariably gets absorbed into his music.
Colin had recently been a part of the goan music scene when he set up some
popular bands in Goa like Just Jazz, Obligato and Blues Power. Colin is
currently on a worldwide tour with singer Sonu Nigaam. He will be
co-producing Jazz Joes recording along with Orlando of Angel AV. Adrian
D'Souza The only Indian jazz musician who has managed to establish himself
as a much in demand live/session drummer in the heart of it all New York
city USA! He is also the first Indian to be invited to perform with the
world jazz orchestra. Adrian is currently based in New York and tours
worldwide with America's premier jazz vocalist Roseanna Vitro. He has also
performed and recorded with jazz legends like Eddie Gomez, George Brooks and
Eddie Henderson to name a few. He is on the verge of releasing his solo
album recorded in the US, featuring some of the worlds best talent. Adrian
is a goan by origin and can't wait to display his talent in the land of
music-Goa!


www.angelav.com

21-Aug-2003
musicmessenger

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Goan Musicians

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Beyond World Goa Day Celebrations of 2003
by Gilbert Lawrence, M.D., DMRT (England), FRCR (London).
E-mail address: gilbertlaw at adephia.net. Thoughtful comments on this
article are welcome and appreciated.
Please feel free to transmit this article to individuals and
associations.

The big celebrations of World Goa Day (WGD) came to a crescendo on the
historic August 20. Undoubtedly some organizations will continue to have
their WGD celebration for the remainder of the year depending on their
own climate and national calendars. On August 20 in 1992 Konkani, the
language of the Goan people was included in the 8th Schedule of the
Indian Constitution by both houses of Parliament. This recognition as a
separate and distinct language has been the life-time work of many
illustrious Goans. August 20, is thus a proud historic day for Goans as
language is one of the six major criteria that identifies a group of
people as a distinctive society as per anthropological and sociological
studies.

Maintaining that Goan identity throughout Goa and the Diaspora is the
WGD celebrations in each Goan community. These events have been
assiduously coordinated by Mr. Rene Barreto from his headquarters in
London. Each year these celebrations grow in the number of cities
organizing them as well as the increasing elaborate efforts that other
regions are putting in the celebration. This has undoubtedly brought
Goans closer together in their communities as well as within their
respective countries. The WGD celebrations have brought forth some
positive achievements and give publicity to others. These include the
awareness and pride in Konkani, the practical work of Goa Sudharop to
make structural changes in Goan life by working at the local level.
Similarly some Goan associations have embarked on projects to help
individuals and institutions in Goa. Yours truly (my wife and I) were
stimulated to undertake the study on Goan rituals and culture. And
having done so to print the material (76-page book) under the title
"Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa". Goans world-wide (UK, USA,
Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania and Middle East to
name a few) celebrated World Goa Day in their own countries. Mr. Rene
Barreto, convener of the event, through the website [www.goaday.com] of
World Goa Day encourages Goans to host the WGD to remind us of the need
to preserve our culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for
our children, the non-Goan community, and for posterity. From all
reports, Diaspora Goans have heeded his call. A full listing of all the
celebrations throughout the world is outlined in the website which is a
must read for a Goan.

Question now are where we go from here and what are the next
achievements? As I have followed these celebrations and enjoyed
watching the growing working relationship within each community, in my
opinion, the next step is to bring the city- wide Goan organizations
together into a country-wide organization and ultimately into a global
relationship. The strength of the organization depends on the numbers
of Goans that belong to and support them as well as the successes and
achievements of the association. The bigger the institute the easier it
is to undertake the larger challenges and achieve a higher level of
success. Some Goan organizations have done an excellent job and they
need to share their secrets of success. Others can emulate them rather
than 'rediscovering the wheel'. Goans in Kuwait have a GOAN WELFARE
SOCIETY. This is an interesting concept which should be shared with
other Goan Diaspora in terms of its functions, actions and funding. For
most Goans associations in the Diaspora, here are some goals that
organizations can set:

1. Strengthen the local organization through well defined bylaws,
accounting practices and election procedures.
2. Assure that all segments of the Goan community are represented in the
executive committee -
Age groups, sex, geographical distribution, recent vs. old
immigrants, different skills.
3. Appoint individuals on the committee for well defined community tasks
in addition to the usual committee work.
4. The executive committee and board of these organizations set their
year's goals soon after the election.
5. Form or strengthen the 'National Working Group' for each country.
6. Form a network of 'National Working Group' for each continent.

In the internet era of the twenty-first century, web pages and e-mails,
the interactions can be easy and inexpensive. The most important
ingredients are desire, effort and time. And these components are
priceless. I call upon and strongly urge Goans who have taken 'early
retirement' to step up to the plate and take an active interest in their
Goan community. It will definitely help the community - their children
and grandchildren. Also a new interest late in life will have positive
benefits on one's own healthcare, physical and mental status and in
prevention of illness like Alzheimer's (scientific data to prove it- See
August issue of New England of Medicine). In each country, the
responsibilities of the National Goan Working Group among others tasks
would be:

1. Hosting the annual National WGD celebrations.
2. Be a 'clearing house' to coordinate the various Goan events in their
region / country
to avoid duplication of social/cultural events on the same weekend.
3. Facilitate and encourage Goan organizations in neighboring regions to
support each other's functions.
4. Assure that Goan culture is vibrant within their communities and in
their adopted country.
5. Establish a directory of Goans within their country
6. Work so the wider non-Goan society appreciates, respects and esteems
the value of Goans and Goa.
7. Work with organizations within Goa and here 'the sky is the limit'.
8. Provide leadership in their country so that isolated Goan
associations get help, advice and encouragement.
9. Facilitate / form a Goan Retirees / Senior Citizen organization in
their country.
10. Facilitate / form a Goan Writers organization in their country.
11. Facilitate / form one or more Goan Artist organization - musicians,
painters, sculptures, crafts etc.
12. Facilitate / form other Goan scientific professional organizations
in their country.
13. Identify their national priorities and challenges affecting Goan
communities in their country.
14. Work with other Goan national organizations across the continent and
across the globe.

Hopefully the specialty Goan groups in their get-together will focus on
issues as they relate to their own communities in the Diasporas as well
as in Goa. Hopefully the presidents of the various Goan organizations
and leaders in various countries will take the lead in moving their Goan
communities in the Diasporas progressively to the fore in the
twenty-first century. Regards, Dr. Gilbert Lawrence.

[renebarreto]

21-Aug-2003 musicmessenger




Jazzy Joe



Goa's most prominent jazz musician will be recording his debut album in Goa.
He would like to dedicate the album to goans worldwide in celeberation of
Goa Day. Here's a brief profile of the musicians performing on the album:
Joe Periera Popularly known as 'Jazzy Joe', this octogeneranian has proven
that music, besides being the food of love, could also be the magic elixir
of youth. Joe recently went on stage at the Jazz Yatra to enthrall the
audience with an exuberance that people half his age would not have. Jazzy
Joe is currently the toast of the jazz scene in Mumbai where he performs
regularly at places like Jazz by the Bay and Soul Fry besides numerous high
profile events around the country. Joe has carved a comfortable niche for
himself as one of India's most accomplished musicians having arrranged music
in the indian film industry for decades while arranging music for big bands.
Besides being a virtuoso saxophonist he also plays violin, flute, clarinet
and piano! Angel AV the record company from Goa that has been promoting goan
talent worldwide, has decided to record the mult-instrument talent of this
amazing musician. So after decades of live performances Jazzy Joe is now
ready to record his debut album in the land that gave him his talent-Goa!
Bonny Remedios India's answer to the father of jazz Louis Armstrong. Bonny
Remedios band leader, pianist, singer, showman ruled the swinging sixties in
Mumbai. Bonny became popular initially for his amazing renditions of Louis
Armstrong songs. He soon established himself as an entertainer in his own
right with a wide repetoire of jazz standards including songs that brought
tears of laughter to peoples eyes. Bonny has spent a lifetime entertaining
people at fivestar hotels in India and the middle east. His is the voice on
many an ad commercial. A recent commercial featuring Bonny that's making
waves on television is the animated 'Hutch' ad where a little girls speaks
over Bonny singing the Louis Armstrong version of 'I'm in the mood for
love'. Bonny a 'Mumbai' goan looks forward to performing/recording in Goa.
Colin D'Cruz Here is one of the few bassplayers worldwide, who has been a
member of over seventy different live music ensembles. His unique sound and
style has given him an individual voice in today's world of music. Having
played just about every genre of music, with a continuously growing list of
bands, Colin attributes his virtuosity to an open mind, open ears and a best
is yet to come philosophy. He is constantly influenced by evolving forms of
rhythm, melody and harmony that invariably gets absorbed into his music.
Colin had recently been a part of the goan music scene when he set up some
popular bands in Goa like Just Jazz, Obligato and Blues Power. Colin is
currently on a worldwide tour with singer Sonu Nigaam. He will be
co-producing Jazz Joes recording along with Orlando of Angel AV. Adrian
D'Souza The only Indian jazz musician who has managed to establish himself
as a much in demand live/session drummer in the heart of it all New York
city USA! He is also the first Indian to be invited to perform with the
world jazz orchestra. Adrian is currently based in New York and tours
worldwide with America's premier jazz vocalist Roseanna Vitro. He has also
performed and recorded with jazz legends like Eddie Gomez, George Brooks and
Eddie Henderson to name a few. He is on the verge of releasing his solo
album recorded in the US, featuring some of the worlds best talent. Adrian
is a goan by origin and can't wait to display his talent in the land of
music-Goa!


www.angelav.com

21-Aug-2003
musicmessenger

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Goan Musicians

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Beyond World Goa Day Celebrations of 2003
by Gilbert Lawrence, M.D., DMRT (England), FRCR (London).
E-mail address: gilbertlaw at adephia.net. Thoughtful comments on this
article are welcome and appreciated.
Please feel free to transmit this article to individuals and
associations.

The big celebrations of World Goa Day (WGD) came to a crescendo on the
historic August 20. Undoubtedly some organizations will continue to have
their WGD celebration for the remainder of the year depending on their
own climate and national calendars. On August 20 in 1992 Konkani, the
language of the Goan people was included in the 8th Schedule of the
Indian Constitution by both houses of Parliament. This recognition as a
separate and distinct language has been the life-time work of many
illustrious Goans. August 20, is thus a proud historic day for Goans as
language is one of the six major criteria that identifies a group of
people as a distinctive society as per anthropological and sociological
studies.

Maintaining that Goan identity throughout Goa and the Diaspora is the
WGD celebrations in each Goan community. These events have been
assiduously coordinated by Mr. Rene Barreto from his headquarters in
London. Each year these celebrations grow in the number of cities
organizing them as well as the increasing elaborate efforts that other
regions are putting in the celebration. This has undoubtedly brought
Goans closer together in their communities as well as within their
respective countries. The WGD celebrations have brought forth some
positive achievements and give publicity to others. These include the
awareness and pride in Konkani, the practical work of Goa Sudharop to
make structural changes in Goan life by working at the local level.
Similarly some Goan associations have embarked on projects to help
individuals and institutions in Goa. Yours truly (my wife and I) were
stimulated to undertake the study on Goan rituals and culture. And
having done so to print the material (76-page book) under the title
"Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa". Goans world-wide (UK, USA,
Canada, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Kenya, Tanzania and Middle East to
name a few) celebrated World Goa Day in their own countries. Mr. Rene
Barreto, convener of the event, through the website [www.goaday.com] of
World Goa Day encourages Goans to host the WGD to remind us of the need
to preserve our culture, music, history, language, cuisine, and art for
our children, the non-Goan community, and for posterity. From all
reports, Diaspora Goans have heeded his call. A full listing of all the
celebrations throughout the world is outlined in the website which is a
must read for a Goan.

Question now are where we go from here and what are the next
achievements? As I have followed these celebrations and enjoyed
watching the growing working relationship within each community, in my
opinion, the next step is to bring the city- wide Goan organizations
together into a country-wide organization and ultimately into a global
relationship. The strength of the organization depends on the numbers
of Goans that belong to and support them as well as the successes and
achievements of the association. The bigger the institute the easier it
is to undertake the larger challenges and achieve a higher level of
success. Some Goan organizations have done an excellent job and they
need to share their secrets of success. Others can emulate them rather
than 'rediscovering the wheel'. Goans in Kuwait have a GOAN WELFARE
SOCIETY. This is an interesting concept which should be shared with
other Goan Diaspora in terms of its functions, actions and funding. For
most Goans associations in the Diaspora, here are some goals that
organizations can set:

1. Strengthen the local organization through well defined bylaws,
accounting practices and election procedures.
2. Assure that all segments of the Goan community are represented in the
executive committee -
Age groups, sex, geographical distribution, recent vs. old
immigrants, different skills.
3. Appoint individuals on the committee for well defined community tasks
in addition to the usual committee work.
4. The executive committee and board of these organizations set their
year's goals soon after the election.
5. Form or strengthen the 'National Working Group' for each country.
6. Form a network of 'National Working Group' for each continent.

In the internet era of the twenty-first century, web pages and e-mails,
the interactions can be easy and inexpensive. The most important
ingredients are desire, effort and time. And these components are
priceless. I call upon and strongly urge Goans who have taken 'early
retirement' to step up to the plate and take an active interest in their
Goan community. It will definitely help the community - their children
and grandchildren. Also a new interest late in life will have positive
benefits on one's own healthcare, physical and mental status and in
prevention of illness like Alzheimer's (scientific data to prove it- See
August issue of New England of Medicine). In each country, the
responsibilities of the National Goan Working Group among others tasks
would be:

1. Hosting the annual National WGD celebrations.
2. Be a 'clearing house' to coordinate the various Goan events in their
region / country
to avoid duplication of social/cultural events on the same weekend.
3. Facilitate and encourage Goan organizations in neighboring regions to
support each other's functions.
4. Assure that Goan culture is vibrant within their communities and in
their adopted country.
5. Establish a directory of Goans within their country
6. Work so the wider non-Goan society appreciates, respects and esteems
the value of Goans and Goa.
7. Work with organizations within Goa and here 'the sky is the limit'.
8. Provide leadership in their country so that isolated Goan
associations get help, advice and encouragement.
9. Facilitate / form a Goan Retirees / Senior Citizen organization in
their country.
10. Facilitate / form a Goan Writers organization in their country.
11. Facilitate / form one or more Goan Artist organization - musicians,
painters, sculptures, crafts etc.
12. Facilitate / form other Goan scientific professional organizations
in their country.
13. Identify their national priorities and challenges affecting Goan
communities in their country.
14. Work with other Goan national organizations across the continent and
across the globe.

Hopefully the specialty Goan groups in their get-together will focus on
issues as they relate to their own communities in the Diasporas as well
as in Goa. Hopefully the presidents of the various Goan organizations
and leaders in various countries will take the lead in moving their Goan
communities in the Diasporas progressively to the fore in the
twenty-first century. Regards, Dr. Gilbert Lawrence.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

With nothing much of interest or import to read on the GoaNet, I surfed
the web to check Goa news. In Navhind Times I read the following piece
which has been at odds with the impression one gets by reading the
postings on the GoaNet or some other nets. The article appeared on
Saturday, September 27, 2003. I encourage the cyberGoans to read the
article (and the views of the natives) in its entirety. Regards, GL

Majority of Goans optimistic about the major event
by Shaikh Jamaluddin

Panaji Sept 26: Most Goans have rosy picture in their mind about the
International Film Festival of India (IFFI) and are anxiously waiting
with open arms to offer Goan hospitality for which Goans are proud of,
to the film personalities who would grace the occasion.

Excitement writ large on the faces of hoteliers to the layman and from
office goers to the housewives with high expectations about the major
event.......

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi All,
Thought this would give you a laugh for today.

With my gaupon's compatriot complaining about "cleaning" up the postings
on the Goanet and some psychological counseling from our own Goenkar
doctor, I thought I would add a little humor. This specially applies to
some topics on Goanet which appear to go around in circles. Next time we
see a subject going round on in circles, we can think of this poor
Goenkar:

A Goenkar was injured in an industrial accident and was rushed to a
doctor who determined that one of his testicles was crushed. The crushed
testicle was removed and the man was assured that he would be fine, no
complications. Physically he was fine but mentally he knew he was
lighter on one side than the other, which caused him to walk in circles.

After trying to overcome the problem without any luck he returned to the
doctor very distraught.

"Dotor! You've got to help me. I am about to lose my job and my ghorcarn
because of walking in circles!" Only the cyberGoans (Goa brotherhood
anim sisterhood) will welcome me. Well, the dotor had never encountered
such a problemo. As he pondered it he went to his refrigerator for a
snack. There he noticed an onion. Ha! He quickly measured the man's
remaining testicle, peeled off layers of onion until the onion was
exactly the same size as his testicle. A minor operation and the goenkar
walked out of the office as straight as an arrow!

And to this day that Goenkar is normal - - - with two exceptions -
When he sees a hamburger he gets an erection and when he makes sussu,
his eyes water.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Tim de Mello wrote:
But what is the way forward?
What I would like to know is how the NRIs can influence the political
system in Goa. There is not much point criticizing the goings-on in Goa
if we cannot play a part.

Can you or anyone else suggest a way that the NRIs can play a part in
the running of Goa?

Gilbert Lawrence Responds:

The 'Way Forward' for the Diaspora Goans is to take care of the Goan
Diaspora community in their own land. It is through example in and of
your own Goan community that others can/will learn.

The Goans in Canada and New York can do much to maintain and strengthen
Goan culture and community in Canada and NY (like other ethnic groups)
beyond social get together few times a year. I have mentioned on the
GoaNet what Diaspora Goans could do to strengthen their own Goan
community; on occasion to the ire of some Goenkars including you. So I
will not repeat them again.

So Diaspora Goans should take care of their own society rather than
pontificate on the politics and the government of Goa. Native Goans can
effectively get the government of their choice even if some phoreign
Goans do not like their choice. Often we use our interest in the native
land (Goa or India) as substitute / excuse for our lack of involvement
in our own community. Regards, GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Goan Travel agents in UK,

I am looking and would appreciate to corresponding with travel agents in
Britain to book an airline ticket from London to Athens or Thessalonica
in end of Jan 04. Please use my personal e-mail address. Thanks. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GOA in Greece?
Hi GoaNetters:

Is there a Goan association in Greece?
Are there Goans in Greece?
I would like to meet some if possible in late January '04 when I visit
Greece.
Thanks. Gilbert Lawrence

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Not too far away is the feast of St. Francis Xavier. This is one of the
most important festivities of Goans. The Goan Diaspora communities that
are celebrating it in style and would love to invite other Goans from
other communities should take the lead in posting their notices on the
web so that Goans can plan their celebrations of this important
festival. Not too long before the feast, the Goan-American communities
will be celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday. Thanks GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

What is a "GOAN"

Response from Gilbert Lawrence:

Great postings seen on some Goa net sites which review the past. These
include papers by Fr. John Correia-Afonso, S.J., Basil Monteiro and
others. But the issues for rational and scholarly debate are:
1. Where and how do native Goans go from here?
2. Language being an important cultural trait for any society, how can
Goan linguists make Konknni easier and more alluring to native Goan
youth?
3. How do we continue to maintain Goan culture and identity in the midst
of changing demographics in Goa?
4. Is a demographic and sociological study of Diaspora Goans helpful?
5. Developing links among native and Diaspora Goans?
6. Which of these/others should be the global theme for World Goa Day
2004?
Regards. Gilbert Lawrence

Aloysius D'Souza writes:

There have been quite a number of messages exchanged on Goan-net and The
Goan Forum about what or who is a Goan. I think this paper by Fr John
Correia-Afonso, S J gives a really good overall perspective.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

To GoaNetters in the know:
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.

Perhaps these points have been discussed ad nauseam in the past on
GoaNet. However, there are a few historical questions on "the dynamics
and economics of colonial Goa" that I would like to ask:
As a background:
To those knowledgeable of Portugal's economic situation in the
Pre-Salazar regime and Salazar regime. Drawing a comparison with Indian
history, the reason why Britain wanted India beyond the "Raj-Jewel in
the Crown" nostalgia was:
1. India was a source of raw material for the British industry - cotton,
jute, spices, coal, etc.
2. India was a ready market for British manufactured goods- textiles,
steel etc.
3. India was a source of sepoys for British wars in the Mid-East, Africa
and Burma.
4. India was not going to be the first colony to end the lucrative
British Empire.

In the case of Goa:
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?
4. Was Goa to Portugal more of a nostalgia /ego (to the right wing
military dictatorship) than of economic value for which it was worth for
Portugal to expend money, material and troops to defend?
5. If Goa was worth much to Portugal how come there were only 5500
troops and one frigate (Albuquerque) defending Goa at the time of
"Operation Vijay" (to liberate Goa)?
6. Were the Goa's freedom-fighters a real force in Portugal's
calculations or were they more of a "nuisance factor"?
7. Was Portugal hemorrhaging economically defending Goa from 1940-1961?
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it colonies?

Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Can one compare the Portuguese idea of controlling the crucial sea-lanes
of the globe, with the British idea of colonialism over two centuries
later? Someone better equipped in understanding History could give us
insights. Remember reading some debate on this.
Of course, 451 years later, even the best of assets could turn into a
liability. Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe
even if only out of habit. To ask what economic benefit Goa had for
Portugal in the mid-20th century might skew the debate. A more
interesting question might focus on the changing role of Goa over the
centuries. A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful. FN

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Can one compare the Portuguese idea of controlling the crucial sea-lanes
of the globe, with the British idea of colonialism over two centuries
later? Someone better equipped in understanding History could give us
insights. Remember reading some debate on this.
Of course, 451 years later, even the best of assets could turn into a
liability. Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe
even if only out of habit. To ask what economic benefit Goa had for
Portugal in the mid-20th century might skew the debate. A more
interesting question might focus on the changing role of Goa over the
centuries. A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful. FN

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Can one compare the Portuguese idea of controlling the crucial sea-lanes
of the globe, with the British idea of colonialism over two centuries
later? Someone better equipped in understanding History could give us
insights. Remember reading some debate on this.
Of course, 451 years later, even the best of assets could turn into a
liability. Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe
even if only out of habit. To ask what economic benefit Goa had for
Portugal in the mid-20th century might skew the debate. A more
interesting question might focus on the changing role of Goa over the
centuries. A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful. FN

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?

[Bernado Colaco]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the
International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it
colonies?
Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

The heat was more from the Soviets then UK or France.
As we clearly know the result of the UN veto vote.

Colaco

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[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Lino and Fred,

Thanks a million for your intellectual responses. Here are my
reflections.

No. I do not live in Portugal. I live in Dorval, Quebec, Canada.

Response: This highlights the value of posts carrying the name and
residence of the author given than Goans live in a world-wide Diaspora.
I would encourage stating it (residence) in the new discussion group.
Residence can convey to the readers the background to viewpoint / bias
of the author.

I read quite extensively into Quebec history, which has many

similarities with Goa-Portuguese history.

Response: While specific details are different, it is interesting to see
how history repeats itself. Human nature doesn't change much over time
or place.

I think Portugal was economically hemorrhaging defending her Colonial

system - 1940-1961. Because, Salazar's Government considered Goa as a
province of Portugal, I think, he felt a moral obligation rather than
economics. He also considered that he had a mission to civilize us - his
Acto Colonial, 1928.

Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe even if

only out of habit.... A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful.
FN

Response: The price of being bull-headed can be high. But even in a
dictatorship (surrounded by mirror-images) at some point, one has to do
at least mentally a 'cost-benefit evaluation'. Even reckless people do
not want to throw good money (assets) after bad (money/assets)!

So now my question:
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.

I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.
I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of
malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea
of statehood. FN

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.
I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of
malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea
of statehood. FN

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.
I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of
malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea
of statehood. FN

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GL responds:
Thanks Fred for your response. Hindsight is always better.
In the USA we call it Monday morning quarterback- analyzing Sunday's
football game. But I guess it helps for the future.
I get a lot of conflicting reading whether Goa as a state is better than
Goa under central government.
As a person on the ground what is your take on it?
Thanks

From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some
of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot
of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of

malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea

of statehood. FN

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Colonial Goa and Portugal 1940-1961.

Hi Tiotonio:
Thanks for your response.
You suggest I should read P.D. Gaitonde's memoirs. I have a book written
by him. I will review it. However, Gaitonde being Nehru's right hand man
and his appointee as Goa's first appointed Lok Sabha representative, he
was more likely an Indo-phile rather than one who wanted Goa's
independence (May be he started with this position).

However, how about all those Goans in Portugal and in East Africa who
were by and large in favor of Goa 'seeking its own destiny' /
independence, etc.? It would be nice to hear their views albeit
theoretical and retrospective about how would an independent Goa survive
economically when it could not do so under the Portuguese.

Thanks to you or any one else who care to respond.
Regards, Gilbert

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Security for Israelis in Goa:

I think Tim makes a very good point about the increased cost of:
1. Security for Israelis vacationing in Goa.
2. Security of Goan Tourism to prevent a terrorist act occurring in Goa.
3. Security for Goans in Goa due to foreign terrorism in Goa.

However I think that is the responsibility of the Central and State
governments rather than an individual hotel owner. Hence his suggestion
that Israel tourists should be charged 2x or 3x (over other tourist) for
the cost of that security is both discriminatory to the Israeli tourists
and unfair to the hotel and restaurant owners. How would this increase
charge translate into ameliorating any of the above concerns?

The Delhi government should take this issue with the Israel embassy and
the Goa government with Israel consulate (if one exists in Goa). The
governments should be asked to defray the cost of and ensure the
increased security/ vigilance and financial insurance if such a
situation should happen.

This may be a good opportunity for an enterprising Goan especially a
retired army man to train in Israel and set up a school and business
service in Goa to provide private security protection to commercial
establishments in Goa and in India. This would be a good way to
transform a challenge into a business prospect. - Making lemonade from a
Lemon. Tim may perhaps plant this idea among native Goans
Regards, GL

[Tim de Mello]

Ralph Rau, R. Nair & G. Lawrence

My original mail just alluded to the fact that there were a large number of
Israelis in Goa but no direct charter flight from Israel. I was just curious
about that point.

I DID NOT say anything about any security threat posed by the Israelis in
Goa.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA

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[Miguel Braganza]

Dear Dr.Gilbert,

Questions; so many questions! What would you prefer to be: Prosperous in a
free country or a multi-billionaire in a dictatorship? That is the basic
question,the rest is of academic interest, if at all of interest to Goans in
Goa.

Would you rather think that we should be a district of Maharashtra and have
a division of armoured corps,an aircraft carrier,ten missile boats and a
hundred VTOL jets defend that status? We could even export Malcurada mangoes
as Alphonso and tiger prawn with a Made in Maharashtra label to Portugal.

Viva Goa.
Miguel

From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
mnpearson at ozemail.com.au,<teodesouza at netcabo.pt>

Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Goanet]Colonial Goa adn Portugal 1940-1961.
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of

1940-61?

2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar 4. Was Goa
5. If Goa was worth much to Portugal how come there were only 5500 troops

and one frigate (Albuquerque) defending Goa at the time of "Operation Vijay"
(to liberate Goa)?

6. Were the Goa's freedom-fighters a real force
7. Was Portugal hemorrhaging economically defending Goa from 1940-1961?
8. Was Portugal feeling >
Regards, Gilbert
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:28:41 +0530 (IST)
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Gilbert Lawrence wrote:>

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then

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[Gilbert Lawrence]

Subject: Cancer Care

The aim of posting this end-of-the-year community report on Goan
cyberspace is NOT to "show off" what is being done at the Regional
Cancer Center. But it may hopefully "spark and idea" in any participant
on the Goan cyberspace to pick up one or two projects and implement them
in your own community. Last week on my visit to California, (close to
San Jose) I read in the local paper a project started by the small
community (about 30,000 people) to "eradicate colon cancer in their
town". We can all learn for each other. For starters, there is no Goan
guspott here. :=))

Each year at The Regional Cancer Center at Faxton-St. Luke's Healthcare
we strive to improve services for our community, providing individuals
with compassionate care and state-of-the-art technology. The year 2002
was no different. In fact, throughout the year our staff in the medical
oncology unit, radiation oncology department, colo-rectal screening
program, breast care center, infusion center, tumor registry, and
clinical trials program set and exceeded goals that have made us the
recognized premier cancer center in the Mohawk Valley.

Listed below are just some of our many accomplishments in 2002:

. Creation of a Cancer Support Group for patients and their families
. More than 500 survivors and their families participated the National
Cancer Survivors' Day lunch-program at Harts Hill Inn
. In October Margie Levin, author and cancer survivor spoke on
"Surviving Cancer." More than 225 patients and families attended. About
500 of Margie Levin's books were distributed being donated by "Golfing
for Breast Cancer".
. A large increase in the number of Perfect Fit patients was seen at the
Breast Care Center. This was accomplished utilizing advertising and
marketing, including the use of billboards.
. A customer satisfaction survey was started at The Comprehensive Breast
Care Center with a very positive 77% return rate.
. A Bosnian (immigrant) Outreach Mammography screening program was
started.
. We provided a Breast Center Awareness program to the community in the
fall with a presentation by Dr. Julia Smith. She discussed breast
cancer risk factors, patient advocacy, and had an extensive question and
answer period.
. A total of 76 patients entered into Clinical Trials for 2002.
. The Take Control Smoking Cessation Program participated in the
statewide "Quit and Win" contest.
. A total of 93 people completed the Take Control program with 71
quitting at the end of class.
. The "Be Smart,...Don't Start" program which is funded through the
Oneida County Youth Bureau, the Children's Miracle Network, and Smoke
Free Mohawk Valley reached 1200 youths in area schools.
. We provided smoking cessation information to the Mohawk Valley
Psychiatric Center as well as the St. Luke's inpatient psych unit and
also provided CORE Tobacco Education information to the employees at
MVPC.
. The Annual Prostate Screening was held at 4 sites in the area. More
than 500 men participated.
. A total of 1,526 people participated in education programs on
Colo-rectal/Prostate Cancer.
. We extended the application of IMRT from prostate and brain to breast,
gynecological as well as head and neck cancers
. Music therapy was introduced into the treatment and simulation rooms
to help patients relax which resulted in increased patient comfort and
ease during radiation treatment.
. The brain stereotactic program has progressed satisfactorily
throughout the year.
. A total of 39 treatments have been delivered with the robotic
controlled vaginal HDR program.
. Chemotherapy extravasation kits were developed and in place on the 3rd
floor as well as in the Outpatient Infusion department.
. Radiation Oncologists published review articles in national journals,
including Journal of Clinical Oncology, and International Journal of
Radiation Oncology, Biology and Physics.

This year, through a collaborative effort by the nurses and physician in
radiation oncology, a quality of life study on patients undergoing
prostate cancer treatments was conducted. Treatment through prostate
seeds, external beams and the combination of the two was examined and
the results and findings form a separate report.

Also impressive is the continued support from the community. Our annual
'Stomp Out Cancer Telethon' for example raised $81,830 in 2002, which we
greatly appreciate. I am thankful to the members of the Cancer Committee
who provided much guidance and input into the cancer program. We must
not forget that the credit of the many successes of The Regional Cancer
Center of Faxton-St. Luke's Healthcare and St. Elizabeth Medical Center
goes to our caring and professional doctors, nurses, therapists,
administrators and support staff - all working hard to ensure that
Mohawk Valley residents get the quality care they deserve close to home.

Gilbert Lawrence, MD, DMRT, FRCR
Cancer Committee Chair

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Response:

I am always attracted by articles on Pillage of Goa OR should it be
Pillage IN Goa. Among today's stories was this year's booming tourist
business in Goa. The top rates for this time of the year are $130-150
per room per night. Next year it is going up 15%. With these rates at
these Hotels (50-60% foreign and 40-50% domestic tourists), I am
wondering who is pillaging whom. This shows that the tourists who have
the whole world to visit are willing to spend their hard-earned money
and enjoy every penny, get pleasure from spending it in Goa. That is a
lot of poixe even for bhaile.

With 20% of native Goans working in tourist business, I am glad to see a
major portion of that tourist poixe being spent in Goa.

It is phun to see Goans who have gone abroad talk about their land being
pillaged ani native Goenkars making money. Hilarious, Amusing ani
Witty!!!

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Quite a number of assumptions in the comments below. Including ones that:

* Peak-season rates (which lasts a fortnight) indicate how well the
tourism sector is doing.
* Hotels earning at one time of the year would necessarily reflect in
greater prosperity to the state as a whole.
* A lot of money coming in (even if it does) means that there's no
problem on the environmental or resource-allocation fronts.
* That the "top rates" charged by hotels indicate the status of a
disparate hotel sector, which has an esimated 33,000 rooms in all,
from luxury five- and seven-stars to an-extra-room-in-my-compound.
* Overcharging in a highly-seasonal industry, which has to
cope with empty rooms for much of the year, though unfair to the
tourist coming at this time, amounts to "pillaging".
* Tourists "who have the whole world to visit" might somehow be
doing Goa a favour by coming on holiday here.
* Those working in the tourism sector (20%, where did this figure come
from?) are actually sharing from the peak-season high rates.

Why do some expat Goans have to be so defensive everytime a critique of
tourism comes up? Maybe we have a tourism-divide (those who can be
tourists, and those who can't) coming up among the community. FN

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
I am always attracted by articles on Pillage of Goa OR should it be
Pillage IN Goa. Among today's stories was this year's booming tourist
business in Goa. The top rates for this time of the year are $130-150
per room per night. Next year it is going up 15%. With these rates at
these Hotels (50-60% foreign and 40-50% domestic tourists), I am
wondering who is pillaging whom. This shows that the tourists who have
the whole world to visit are willing to spend their hard-earned money
and enjoy every penny, get pleasure from spending it in Goa. That is a
lot of poixe even for bhaile.
With 20% of native Goans working in tourist business, I am glad to see a
major portion of that tourist poixe being spent in Goa.
It is phun to see Goans who have gone abroad talk about their land being
pillaged ani native Goenkars making money. Hilarious, Amusing ani
Witty!!!

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Quite a number of assumptions in the comments below. Including ones that:

* Peak-season rates (which lasts a fortnight) indicate how well the
tourism sector is doing.
* Hotels earning at one time of the year would necessarily reflect in
greater prosperity to the state as a whole.
* A lot of money coming in (even if it does) means that there's no
problem on the environmental or resource-allocation fronts.
* That the "top rates" charged by hotels indicate the status of a
disparate hotel sector, which has an esimated 33,000 rooms in all,
from luxury five- and seven-stars to an-extra-room-in-my-compound.
* Overcharging in a highly-seasonal industry, which has to
cope with empty rooms for much of the year, though unfair to the
tourist coming at this time, amounts to "pillaging".
* Tourists "who have the whole world to visit" might somehow be
doing Goa a favour by coming on holiday here.
* Those working in the tourism sector (20%, where did this figure come
from?) are actually sharing from the peak-season high rates.

Why do some expat Goans have to be so defensive everytime a critique of
tourism comes up? Maybe we have a tourism-divide (those who can be
tourists, and those who can't) coming up among the community. FN

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
I am always attracted by articles on Pillage of Goa OR should it be
Pillage IN Goa. Among today's stories was this year's booming tourist
business in Goa. The top rates for this time of the year are $130-150
per room per night. Next year it is going up 15%. With these rates at
these Hotels (50-60% foreign and 40-50% domestic tourists), I am
wondering who is pillaging whom. This shows that the tourists who have
the whole world to visit are willing to spend their hard-earned money
and enjoy every penny, get pleasure from spending it in Goa. That is a
lot of poixe even for bhaile.
With 20% of native Goans working in tourist business, I am glad to see a
major portion of that tourist poixe being spent in Goa.
It is phun to see Goans who have gone abroad talk about their land being
pillaged ani native Goenkars making money. Hilarious, Amusing ani
Witty!!!

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Rebuking the gorrment:

We thank Tony Correia-Afonso for participating in Goanet. As a direct or
indirect member of the gorrment / NGO / NRI center he can address many
concerns affecting NRIs and NRGs and also clarify other issues related
to them.

In fairness to him, we cannot hold him or the NRI cell responsible for
all the ills or the perceived ills of the Goa gorrment. It is for the
non-resident Goans to work with the NRI cell/ institution and shape it
with constructive suggestions to maximize its benefit to the NRI/NRG.

No gorrment is going to solve all of society's problems for all times.
That is why these guys receive an ongoing salary to resolve these
on-going problems. And that is why the people go to the polls every five
years.

The social ills need to be kept in perspective. No rape or murder or for
that matter roadside accident is acceptable. And one such incident is
one too many. But the government cannot prevent all these social ills of
society. That is like someone holding the doctor responsible for the
sickness that occurs or for people who die from cancer. Many ills may be
better addressed by society itself rather than seeking the government to
be the answer to all of Goa's problems.

To Tony Correia-Afonso, hang in there buddy. I think you are doing the
best and being honorable and helpful. Sometimes you may feel it does not
pay to be nice. I know you are doing your finest! But some Goenkars may
feel your greatest efforts are not good enough.
Regards, GL, NY

[Venantius J Pinto]

Wener Fernandes,
I cherish the end of your post. It says a lot of the lot of us Goans.

(The Katlic male anthropos) "simply play hockey or football till they
die!!!."

I wonder how many hockey sticks, balls, cleats, jerseys, head bands, shin
and other guards, whsitles, high cut shorts (a la Passarella and Socrates)
and inner tubes have been buried in the loamy graves of our fallen
stalwarts.

In frivolity with a touch of truth,
venantius

------------------------------
SHE'S A KATLIC, MEN!

664 West 163 Street, #57
New York, NY 10032-4527

[Venantius J Pinto]

Wener Fernandes,
I cherish the end of your post. It says a lot of the lot of us Goans.

(The Katlic male anthropos) "simply play hockey or football till they
die!!!."

I wonder how many hockey sticks, balls, cleats, jerseys, head bands, shin
and other guards, whsitles, high cut shorts (a la Passarella and Socrates)
and inner tubes have been buried in the loamy graves of our fallen
stalwarts.

In frivolity with a touch of truth,
venantius

------------------------------
SHE'S A KATLIC, MEN!

664 West 163 Street, #57
New York, NY 10032-4527

[Werner Fernandes]

SHE'S A KATLIC, MEN!

Thou shalt drink
Thou shalt jive'
If there were commandments requiring you to be a 'Katlic', those would
be the first two. 'What to do, men?', I always find myself
facing people who exclaim "What, Men! you don't drink! What kind of
Katlic are you?' (As though the Pope decreed it)

Then as if the answer to the next question would redeem me, they
hastily ask, 'Do you jive?' An affirmative nod saves my soul and I am
admitted back into the fold. By religion we are Roman Catholic,
because we are governed by the Church in Rome, not because we have dual
passports. By culture and our peculiar accent, we're Katlic or 'Mack'
(MakKaPau) as people refer to us after they've known us for two
sentences.

How can anyone miss the 'What men?' (Where the 'men' comes free with
every sentence quite oblivious to the fact that you're
woman). Or other phonetic jewels like 'tree' (for three), Tirty (for
thirty) 'aahks' (for ask), 'doll'(for dhal), 'dat' (for that), or
'faader/mudder' (for father/mother) that I would like to believe is
some dialect of German. But Nein, its trademark. 'Mack' talk

"Then what!" is another gem of a rejoinder. But pronounced 'Den wot".
And of course who can forget the famous Mack dismissive
line 'Wot goes of yours?' or even more pointedly 'Your fadder what
goes?' Of the several theories that float around, one says 'Mack' is a
derivative of 'makka-pau' (bread and butter, the other way around)
because, supposedly, that's what Katlics eat first thing in the
morning!!!

The drinking of course, we're sure of. "Michael daru peekay danga karta
hai" from the film Majboor tells a small part of the story. We drink at
Holy Communion parties, Christenings, at other festivals too. We drink
on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays....... You get the picture. But comes
the Lenten Season, abstain from it for the whole period of 40 days or
more. And of course we drink at those crazy carnivals called Katlic
weddings. Where you dress up, quaff wine, trip on the confetti, stride
in the Wedding march, get sozzled, eat potato chops, vindaloo,
sorpotel, pork roast, do the mandatory Birdie dance, throw the bouquet
and finally wake up the neighbours with off-key renditions of 'He's a
jolly good fellow' as you zig-zag home!!!! And next morning criticize
the Bride's dress, the ring, the make- up, the cake, the food....
just about everything.

Katlics love to sing. Wherever there's a Mack -gathering, not counting
funerals, there's a sing-song session. 'My Bonnie lies
over the ocean', 'When the saints go marching in' and the
quintessential Annie's song. Not forgetting 'Show me the way to go
Home' No Mack party is complete without a guitar and at least one
sloshed uncle who will be dragged home by embarrassed
relatives!!!!

Katlics mourn with the same passion, wearing black at funerals and for
months after, and fasting with fervour at Good Friday. But
as December comes around, you'll find Crawford Market and Hill Road
besieged by Katlics from Vasai, Myra (Mira) Road, Bandra,
Maim (for Mahim), Dhobi Talao and Marine Lines, taking home so much
lace you are not quite sure whether it's for the dresses or the
curtains!!!

At Christmas, Katlics make kul-kuls, newries, Bebinc, marzipans, guava
cheese and the mandatory Christmas cake. And wine which is drunk by the
gallon. And go to midnight mass at 8p.m. Then in the 30degrees
centigrade heat, they wear jackets and ties to Willingdon or Catholic
Gym and jive the night away.

Though being a Katlic may be more about cultural togetherness than
going to mass every Sunday, we religiously fulfil the
requirements. To be a really Good Katlic, you must go inside the
church. They have a name for people who don't..........'Outstanding
Katlics'.

If you are a Katlic, you subscribe to the 'Examiner' where Katlic girls
search for Katlic boys with 'sober' habits and own
accommodation. Canadian or Gulf NRI's are prize catches.

Good Katlics go to confessions. When we were kids, we knelt in the
dark confessional and sincerely asked for forgiveness. And got off with
a couple of 'Hail Marys'. The sins were standard: 'I beat my sister'
and 'I told lies in school'.

Of course when we grew up we either stopped going or confessed to only
the simple sins and hoped God would get the others
telepathically. We didn't want to give old Father Andrew a minor heart
attack. Besides, by then our idea of what constituted a 'sin' had
changed. And there's just so many Hail Marys one can say. Redemption
would demand a lot, lot more.

Good Katlic girls anoint themselves after every four-letter word and
go to confession the morning after their wedding night. Katlic boys
are in a different league altogether. They simply play hockey or
football till they die!!!

[Gilbert Lawrence]

To GoaNetters in the know:
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.

Perhaps these points have been discussed ad nauseam in the past on
GoaNet. However, there are a few historical questions on "the dynamics
and economics of colonial Goa" that I would like to ask:
As a background:
To those knowledgeable of Portugal's economic situation in the
Pre-Salazar regime and Salazar regime. Drawing a comparison with Indian
history, the reason why Britain wanted India beyond the "Raj-Jewel in
the Crown" nostalgia was:
1. India was a source of raw material for the British industry - cotton,
jute, spices, coal, etc.
2. India was a ready market for British manufactured goods- textiles,
steel etc.
3. India was a source of sepoys for British wars in the Mid-East, Africa
and Burma.
4. India was not going to be the first colony to end the lucrative
British Empire.

In the case of Goa:
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?
4. Was Goa to Portugal more of a nostalgia /ego (to the right wing
military dictatorship) than of economic value for which it was worth for
Portugal to expend money, material and troops to defend?
5. If Goa was worth much to Portugal how come there were only 5500
troops and one frigate (Albuquerque) defending Goa at the time of
"Operation Vijay" (to liberate Goa)?
6. Were the Goa's freedom-fighters a real force in Portugal's
calculations or were they more of a "nuisance factor"?
7. Was Portugal hemorrhaging economically defending Goa from 1940-1961?
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it colonies?

Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

[Bernado Colaco]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the
International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it
colonies?
Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

The heat was more from the Soviets then UK or France.
As we clearly know the result of the UN veto vote.

Colaco

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[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Lino and Fred,

Thanks a million for your intellectual responses. Here are my
reflections.

No. I do not live in Portugal. I live in Dorval, Quebec, Canada.

Response: This highlights the value of posts carrying the name and
residence of the author given than Goans live in a world-wide Diaspora.
I would encourage stating it (residence) in the new discussion group.
Residence can convey to the readers the background to viewpoint / bias
of the author.

I read quite extensively into Quebec history, which has many

similarities with Goa-Portuguese history.

Response: While specific details are different, it is interesting to see
how history repeats itself. Human nature doesn't change much over time
or place.

I think Portugal was economically hemorrhaging defending her Colonial

system - 1940-1961. Because, Salazar's Government considered Goa as a
province of Portugal, I think, he felt a moral obligation rather than
economics. He also considered that he had a mission to civilize us - his
Acto Colonial, 1928.

Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe even if

only out of habit.... A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful.
FN

Response: The price of being bull-headed can be high. But even in a
dictatorship (surrounded by mirror-images) at some point, one has to do
at least mentally a 'cost-benefit evaluation'. Even reckless people do
not want to throw good money (assets) after bad (money/assets)!

So now my question:
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.

I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GL responds:
Thanks Fred for your response. Hindsight is always better.
In the USA we call it Monday morning quarterback- analyzing Sunday's
football game. But I guess it helps for the future.
I get a lot of conflicting reading whether Goa as a state is better than
Goa under central government.
As a person on the ground what is your take on it?
Thanks

From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some
of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot
of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of

malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea

of statehood. FN

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Colonial Goa and Portugal 1940-1961.

Hi Tiotonio:
Thanks for your response.
You suggest I should read P.D. Gaitonde's memoirs. I have a book written
by him. I will review it. However, Gaitonde being Nehru's right hand man
and his appointee as Goa's first appointed Lok Sabha representative, he
was more likely an Indo-phile rather than one who wanted Goa's
independence (May be he started with this position).

However, how about all those Goans in Portugal and in East Africa who
were by and large in favor of Goa 'seeking its own destiny' /
independence, etc.? It would be nice to hear their views albeit
theoretical and retrospective about how would an independent Goa survive
economically when it could not do so under the Portuguese.

Thanks to you or any one else who care to respond.
Regards, Gilbert

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Security for Israelis in Goa:

I think Tim makes a very good point about the increased cost of:
1. Security for Israelis vacationing in Goa.
2. Security of Goan Tourism to prevent a terrorist act occurring in Goa.
3. Security for Goans in Goa due to foreign terrorism in Goa.

However I think that is the responsibility of the Central and State
governments rather than an individual hotel owner. Hence his suggestion
that Israel tourists should be charged 2x or 3x (over other tourist) for
the cost of that security is both discriminatory to the Israeli tourists
and unfair to the hotel and restaurant owners. How would this increase
charge translate into ameliorating any of the above concerns?

The Delhi government should take this issue with the Israel embassy and
the Goa government with Israel consulate (if one exists in Goa). The
governments should be asked to defray the cost of and ensure the
increased security/ vigilance and financial insurance if such a
situation should happen.

This may be a good opportunity for an enterprising Goan especially a
retired army man to train in Israel and set up a school and business
service in Goa to provide private security protection to commercial
establishments in Goa and in India. This would be a good way to
transform a challenge into a business prospect. - Making lemonade from a
Lemon. Tim may perhaps plant this idea among native Goans
Regards, GL

[Tim de Mello]

Ralph Rau, R. Nair & G. Lawrence

My original mail just alluded to the fact that there were a large number of
Israelis in Goa but no direct charter flight from Israel. I was just curious
about that point.

I DID NOT say anything about any security threat posed by the Israelis in
Goa.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA

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[Miguel Braganza]

Dear Dr.Gilbert,

Questions; so many questions! What would you prefer to be: Prosperous in a
free country or a multi-billionaire in a dictatorship? That is the basic
question,the rest is of academic interest, if at all of interest to Goans in
Goa.

Would you rather think that we should be a district of Maharashtra and have
a division of armoured corps,an aircraft carrier,ten missile boats and a
hundred VTOL jets defend that status? We could even export Malcurada mangoes
as Alphonso and tiger prawn with a Made in Maharashtra label to Portugal.

Viva Goa.
Miguel

From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
mnpearson at ozemail.com.au,<teodesouza at netcabo.pt>

Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Goanet]Colonial Goa adn Portugal 1940-1961.
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of

1940-61?

2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar 4. Was Goa
5. If Goa was worth much to Portugal how come there were only 5500 troops

and one frigate (Albuquerque) defending Goa at the time of "Operation Vijay"
(to liberate Goa)?

6. Were the Goa's freedom-fighters a real force
7. Was Portugal hemorrhaging economically defending Goa from 1940-1961?
8. Was Portugal feeling >
Regards, Gilbert
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:28:41 +0530 (IST)
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Gilbert Lawrence wrote:>

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then

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[Gilbert Lawrence]

Subject: Cancer Care

The aim of posting this end-of-the-year community report on Goan
cyberspace is NOT to "show off" what is being done at the Regional
Cancer Center. But it may hopefully "spark and idea" in any participant
on the Goan cyberspace to pick up one or two projects and implement them
in your own community. Last week on my visit to California, (close to
San Jose) I read in the local paper a project started by the small
community (about 30,000 people) to "eradicate colon cancer in their
town". We can all learn for each other. For starters, there is no Goan
guspott here. :=))

Each year at The Regional Cancer Center at Faxton-St. Luke's Healthcare
we strive to improve services for our community, providing individuals
with compassionate care and state-of-the-art technology. The year 2002
was no different. In fact, throughout the year our staff in the medical
oncology unit, radiation oncology department, colo-rectal screening
program, breast care center, infusion center, tumor registry, and
clinical trials program set and exceeded goals that have made us the
recognized premier cancer center in the Mohawk Valley.

Listed below are just some of our many accomplishments in 2002:

. Creation of a Cancer Support Group for patients and their families
. More than 500 survivors and their families participated the National
Cancer Survivors' Day lunch-program at Harts Hill Inn
. In October Margie Levin, author and cancer survivor spoke on
"Surviving Cancer." More than 225 patients and families attended. About
500 of Margie Levin's books were distributed being donated by "Golfing
for Breast Cancer".
. A large increase in the number of Perfect Fit patients was seen at the
Breast Care Center. This was accomplished utilizing advertising and
marketing, including the use of billboards.
. A customer satisfaction survey was started at The Comprehensive Breast
Care Center with a very positive 77% return rate.
. A Bosnian (immigrant) Outreach Mammography screening program was
started.
. We provided a Breast Center Awareness program to the community in the
fall with a presentation by Dr. Julia Smith. She discussed breast
cancer risk factors, patient advocacy, and had an extensive question and
answer period.
. A total of 76 patients entered into Clinical Trials for 2002.
. The Take Control Smoking Cessation Program participated in the
statewide "Quit and Win" contest.
. A total of 93 people completed the Take Control program with 71
quitting at the end of class.
. The "Be Smart,...Don't Start" program which is funded through the
Oneida County Youth Bureau, the Children's Miracle Network, and Smoke
Free Mohawk Valley reached 1200 youths in area schools.
. We provided smoking cessation information to the Mohawk Valley
Psychiatric Center as well as the St. Luke's inpatient psych unit and
also provided CORE Tobacco Education information to the employees at
MVPC.
. The Annual Prostate Screening was held at 4 sites in the area. More
than 500 men participated.
. A total of 1,526 people participated in education programs on
Colo-rectal/Prostate Cancer.
. We extended the application of IMRT from prostate and brain to breast,
gynecological as well as head and neck cancers
. Music therapy was introduced into the treatment and simulation rooms
to help patients relax which resulted in increased patient comfort and
ease during radiation treatment.
. The brain stereotactic program has progressed satisfactorily
throughout the year.
. A total of 39 treatments have been delivered with the robotic
controlled vaginal HDR program.
. Chemotherapy extravasation kits were developed and in place on the 3rd
floor as well as in the Outpatient Infusion department.
. Radiation Oncologists published review articles in national journals,
including Journal of Clinical Oncology, and International Journal of
Radiation Oncology, Biology and Physics.

This year, through a collaborative effort by the nurses and physician in
radiation oncology, a quality of life study on patients undergoing
prostate cancer treatments was conducted. Treatment through prostate
seeds, external beams and the combination of the two was examined and
the results and findings form a separate report.

Also impressive is the continued support from the community. Our annual
'Stomp Out Cancer Telethon' for example raised $81,830 in 2002, which we
greatly appreciate. I am thankful to the members of the Cancer Committee
who provided much guidance and input into the cancer program. We must
not forget that the credit of the many successes of The Regional Cancer
Center of Faxton-St. Luke's Healthcare and St. Elizabeth Medical Center
goes to our caring and professional doctors, nurses, therapists,
administrators and support staff - all working hard to ensure that
Mohawk Valley residents get the quality care they deserve close to home.

Gilbert Lawrence, MD, DMRT, FRCR
Cancer Committee Chair

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Response:

I am always attracted by articles on Pillage of Goa OR should it be
Pillage IN Goa. Among today's stories was this year's booming tourist
business in Goa. The top rates for this time of the year are $130-150
per room per night. Next year it is going up 15%. With these rates at
these Hotels (50-60% foreign and 40-50% domestic tourists), I am
wondering who is pillaging whom. This shows that the tourists who have
the whole world to visit are willing to spend their hard-earned money
and enjoy every penny, get pleasure from spending it in Goa. That is a
lot of poixe even for bhaile.

With 20% of native Goans working in tourist business, I am glad to see a
major portion of that tourist poixe being spent in Goa.

It is phun to see Goans who have gone abroad talk about their land being
pillaged ani native Goenkars making money. Hilarious, Amusing ani
Witty!!!

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Rebuking the gorrment:

We thank Tony Correia-Afonso for participating in Goanet. As a direct or
indirect member of the gorrment / NGO / NRI center he can address many
concerns affecting NRIs and NRGs and also clarify other issues related
to them.

In fairness to him, we cannot hold him or the NRI cell responsible for
all the ills or the perceived ills of the Goa gorrment. It is for the
non-resident Goans to work with the NRI cell/ institution and shape it
with constructive suggestions to maximize its benefit to the NRI/NRG.

No gorrment is going to solve all of society's problems for all times.
That is why these guys receive an ongoing salary to resolve these
on-going problems. And that is why the people go to the polls every five
years.

The social ills need to be kept in perspective. No rape or murder or for
that matter roadside accident is acceptable. And one such incident is
one too many. But the government cannot prevent all these social ills of
society. That is like someone holding the doctor responsible for the
sickness that occurs or for people who die from cancer. Many ills may be
better addressed by society itself rather than seeking the government to
be the answer to all of Goa's problems.

To Tony Correia-Afonso, hang in there buddy. I think you are doing the
best and being honorable and helpful. Sometimes you may feel it does not
pay to be nice. I know you are doing your finest! But some Goenkars may
feel your greatest efforts are not good enough.
Regards, GL, NY

[Werner Fernandes]

SHE'S A KATLIC, MEN!

Thou shalt drink
Thou shalt jive'
If there were commandments requiring you to be a 'Katlic', those would
be the first two. 'What to do, men?', I always find myself
facing people who exclaim "What, Men! you don't drink! What kind of
Katlic are you?' (As though the Pope decreed it)

Then as if the answer to the next question would redeem me, they
hastily ask, 'Do you jive?' An affirmative nod saves my soul and I am
admitted back into the fold. By religion we are Roman Catholic,
because we are governed by the Church in Rome, not because we have dual
passports. By culture and our peculiar accent, we're Katlic or 'Mack'
(MakKaPau) as people refer to us after they've known us for two
sentences.

How can anyone miss the 'What men?' (Where the 'men' comes free with
every sentence quite oblivious to the fact that you're
woman). Or other phonetic jewels like 'tree' (for three), Tirty (for
thirty) 'aahks' (for ask), 'doll'(for dhal), 'dat' (for that), or
'faader/mudder' (for father/mother) that I would like to believe is
some dialect of German. But Nein, its trademark. 'Mack' talk

"Then what!" is another gem of a rejoinder. But pronounced 'Den wot".
And of course who can forget the famous Mack dismissive
line 'Wot goes of yours?' or even more pointedly 'Your fadder what
goes?' Of the several theories that float around, one says 'Mack' is a
derivative of 'makka-pau' (bread and butter, the other way around)
because, supposedly, that's what Katlics eat first thing in the
morning!!!

The drinking of course, we're sure of. "Michael daru peekay danga karta
hai" from the film Majboor tells a small part of the story. We drink at
Holy Communion parties, Christenings, at other festivals too. We drink
on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays....... You get the picture. But comes
the Lenten Season, abstain from it for the whole period of 40 days or
more. And of course we drink at those crazy carnivals called Katlic
weddings. Where you dress up, quaff wine, trip on the confetti, stride
in the Wedding march, get sozzled, eat potato chops, vindaloo,
sorpotel, pork roast, do the mandatory Birdie dance, throw the bouquet
and finally wake up the neighbours with off-key renditions of 'He's a
jolly good fellow' as you zig-zag home!!!! And next morning criticize
the Bride's dress, the ring, the make- up, the cake, the food....
just about everything.

Katlics love to sing. Wherever there's a Mack -gathering, not counting
funerals, there's a sing-song session. 'My Bonnie lies
over the ocean', 'When the saints go marching in' and the
quintessential Annie's song. Not forgetting 'Show me the way to go
Home' No Mack party is complete without a guitar and at least one
sloshed uncle who will be dragged home by embarrassed
relatives!!!!

Katlics mourn with the same passion, wearing black at funerals and for
months after, and fasting with fervour at Good Friday. But
as December comes around, you'll find Crawford Market and Hill Road
besieged by Katlics from Vasai, Myra (Mira) Road, Bandra,
Maim (for Mahim), Dhobi Talao and Marine Lines, taking home so much
lace you are not quite sure whether it's for the dresses or the
curtains!!!

At Christmas, Katlics make kul-kuls, newries, Bebinc, marzipans, guava
cheese and the mandatory Christmas cake. And wine which is drunk by the
gallon. And go to midnight mass at 8p.m. Then in the 30degrees
centigrade heat, they wear jackets and ties to Willingdon or Catholic
Gym and jive the night away.

Though being a Katlic may be more about cultural togetherness than
going to mass every Sunday, we religiously fulfil the
requirements. To be a really Good Katlic, you must go inside the
church. They have a name for people who don't..........'Outstanding
Katlics'.

If you are a Katlic, you subscribe to the 'Examiner' where Katlic girls
search for Katlic boys with 'sober' habits and own
accommodation. Canadian or Gulf NRI's are prize catches.

Good Katlics go to confessions. When we were kids, we knelt in the
dark confessional and sincerely asked for forgiveness. And got off with
a couple of 'Hail Marys'. The sins were standard: 'I beat my sister'
and 'I told lies in school'.

Of course when we grew up we either stopped going or confessed to only
the simple sins and hoped God would get the others
telepathically. We didn't want to give old Father Andrew a minor heart
attack. Besides, by then our idea of what constituted a 'sin' had
changed. And there's just so many Hail Marys one can say. Redemption
would demand a lot, lot more.

Good Katlic girls anoint themselves after every four-letter word and
go to confession the morning after their wedding night. Katlic boys
are in a different league altogether. They simply play hockey or
football till they die!!!

[Gilbert Lawrence]

To GoaNetters in the know:
? Those attending the recent history meet in Goa.

Perhaps these points have been discussed ad nauseam in the past on
GoaNet. However, there are a few historical questions on "the dynamics
and economics of colonial Goa" that I would like to ask:
As a background:
To those knowledgeable of Portugal's economic situation in the
Pre-Salazar regime and Salazar regime. Drawing a comparison with Indian
history, the reason why Britain wanted India beyond the "Raj-Jewel in
the Crown" nostalgia was:
1. India was a source of raw material for the British industry - cotton,
jute, spices, coal, etc.
2. India was a ready market for British manufactured goods- textiles,
steel etc.
3. India was a source of sepoys for British wars in the Mid-East, Africa
and Burma.
4. India was not going to be the first colony to end the lucrative
British Empire.

In the case of Goa:
1. What economic benefit did Goa provide Portugal in the period of
1940-61? 2. Was Goa cost-effective for Portugal?
3. Was Goa a bright-light on the Salazar's radar or was it a faint blip
with other economic problems Portugal was facing?
4. Was Goa to Portugal more of a nostalgia /ego (to the right wing
military dictatorship) than of economic value for which it was worth for
Portugal to expend money, material and troops to defend?
5. If Goa was worth much to Portugal how come there were only 5500
troops and one frigate (Albuquerque) defending Goa at the time of
"Operation Vijay" (to liberate Goa)?
6. Were the Goa's freedom-fighters a real force in Portugal's
calculations or were they more of a "nuisance factor"?
7. Was Portugal hemorrhaging economically defending Goa from 1940-1961?
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it colonies?

Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

[Bernado Colaco]

Post by Gilbert Lawrence
8. Was Portugal feeling any heat from the
International community (UK
and France) to move into the 20 century and shed it
colonies?
Thanks in anticipation for the responses.
Regards, Gilbert.
Student of History!

The heat was more from the Soviets then UK or France.
As we clearly know the result of the UN veto vote.

Colaco

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[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Lino and Fred,

Thanks a million for your intellectual responses. Here are my
reflections.

No. I do not live in Portugal. I live in Dorval, Quebec, Canada.

Response: This highlights the value of posts carrying the name and
residence of the author given than Goans live in a world-wide Diaspora.
I would encourage stating it (residence) in the new discussion group.
Residence can convey to the readers the background to viewpoint / bias
of the author.

I read quite extensively into Quebec history, which has many

similarities with Goa-Portuguese history.

Response: While specific details are different, it is interesting to see
how history repeats itself. Human nature doesn't change much over time
or place.

I think Portugal was economically hemorrhaging defending her Colonial

system - 1940-1961. Because, Salazar's Government considered Goa as a
province of Portugal, I think, he felt a moral obligation rather than
economics. He also considered that he had a mission to civilize us - his
Acto Colonial, 1928.

Even then, no 'owner' would want to give up anything... maybe even if

only out of habit.... A toehold can be very tiny, but still very useful.
FN

Response: The price of being bull-headed can be high. But even in a
dictatorship (surrounded by mirror-images) at some point, one has to do
at least mentally a 'cost-benefit evaluation'. Even reckless people do
not want to throw good money (assets) after bad (money/assets)!

So now my question:
If Goa was not a money-making asset to Portugal, how did the then
natives (those seeking Goa 'finding its own destiny' / independence)
think they would have a positive balance of payments by running things
themselves? Or in other words where would they have expanded their
revenues or cut their costs? Mind you the natives were not thinking of
any "defense outlays" or how they would pay for all the economic /social
growth of the citizens.

I look forward to your scholarly response and that from others. GL

[Gilbert Lawrence]

GL responds:
Thanks Fred for your response. Hindsight is always better.
In the USA we call it Monday morning quarterback- analyzing Sunday's
football game. But I guess it helps for the future.
I get a lot of conflicting reading whether Goa as a state is better than
Goa under central government.
As a person on the ground what is your take on it?
Thanks

From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>

Such issues are made on emotions, not economics. If we read today some
of
the demands for statehood for Goa in the 'eighties, these make strange
reading now. It was pretty obvious too that statehood would place a lot
of
financial pressures on Goa. Together with that, we got a greater deal of

malgovernance. But the trend then was to support, vociferously, the idea

of statehood. FN

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Colonial Goa and Portugal 1940-1961.

Hi Tiotonio:
Thanks for your response.
You suggest I should read P.D. Gaitonde's memoirs. I have a book written
by him. I will review it. However, Gaitonde being Nehru's right hand man
and his appointee as Goa's first appointed Lok Sabha representative, he
was more likely an Indo-phile rather than one who wanted Goa's
independence (May be he started with this position).

However, how about all those Goans in Portugal and in East Africa who
were by and large in favor of Goa 'seeking its own destiny' /
independence, etc.? It would be nice to hear their views albeit
theoretical and retrospective about how would an independent Goa survive
economically when it could not do so under the Portuguese.

Thanks to you or any one else who care to respond.
Regards, Gilbert

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Security for Israelis in Goa:

I think Tim makes a very good point about the increased cost of:
1. Security for Israelis vacationing in Goa.
2. Security of Goan Tourism to prevent a terrorist act occurring in Goa.
3. Security for Goans in Goa due to foreign terrorism in Goa.

However I think that is the responsibility of the Central and State
governments rather than an individual hotel owner. Hence his suggestion
that Israel tourists should be charged 2x or 3x (over other tourist) for
the cost of that security is both discriminatory to the Israeli tourists
and unfair to the hotel and restaurant owners. How would this increase
charge translate into ameliorating any of the above concerns?

The Delhi government should take this issue with the Israel embassy and
the Goa government with Israel consulate (if one exists in Goa). The
governments should be asked to defray the cost of and ensure the
increased security/ vigilance and financial insurance if such a
situation should happen.

This may be a good opportunity for an enterprising Goan especially a
retired army man to train in Israel and set up a school and business
service in Goa to provide private security protection to commercial
establishments in Goa and in India. This would be a good way to
transform a challenge into a business prospect. - Making lemonade from a
Lemon. Tim may perhaps plant this idea among native Goans
Regards, GL

[Tim de Mello]

Ralph Rau, R. Nair & G. Lawrence

My original mail just alluded to the fact that there were a large number of
Israelis in Goa but no direct charter flight from Israel. I was just curious
about that point.

I DID NOT say anything about any security threat posed by the Israelis in
Goa.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA

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