DFS Replication & Namespace

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Kevin

2006-02-07 09:26:53 UTC

I'm look at setting this up but I not sure whether its possible using only 2
x SBS2003 servers?
I read a Technet article which indicated/implied that a minimum of 3 servers
is necessary.
Is this the case?

Thanks in advance

Kevin Young
Cambridge UK

Brandy Nee [MSFT]

2006-02-08 03:29:24 UTC

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Hello Kevin,

Thank you for posting to the SBS Newsgroup.

I understand that you have two SBS 2K3 Server and you want to configure DFS
between these two SBS Server. If I have misunderstood your concern, please
let me know.

I am sorry but I am not sure which exact "Technet article" you have read.
Could you please let me know the web link?

Please understand that we only can use DFS in one Domain, and its
sub-domain. For example, if you have a Windows 2K3 Server or Windows Server
2000 as a second DC or member server in the SBS 2003 domain, we can use the
DFS to replicate the files. To do this, you can create a domain root on the
SBS 2003 server, enable DFS on the W2K3/W2K server and then configure the
replication between these two servers.

Since you have two SBS Servers, and there can only be one Windows Small
Business Server in the Windows Small Business Server domain, I am sorry to
say that we can not use DFS between these two SBS Servers.

I suggest that we create some user accounts in each domain and grant users
appropriate permissions to access the shared folders on the SBS Servers.

For detailed information regarding DFS, please refer to the following links:

Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/howto/dfsguide.
mspx

Windows Server 2003 Deployment Guide
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/c283b699-6124-4c3a-87
ef-865443d7ea4b1033.mspx

For your additional information:

Getting Started: Windows Small Business Server 2003 with SP1
http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/a/3/9a306a75-e7da-461f-996d-7b93e09
948ee/GettingStarted_Combined.doc

Windows Small Business Server 2003 Technical FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.
mspx

If you have any further questions or concerns on this issue, please feel
free to let me know. I am glad to be of further assistance!

Best regards,

Brandy Nee

Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

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I'm look at setting this up but I not sure whether its possible using only 2
x SBS2003 servers?
I read a Technet article which indicated/implied that a minimum of 3 servers
is necessary.
Is this the case?
Thanks in advance
Kevin Young
Cambridge UK

Kevin

2006-02-08 17:55:11 UTC

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Hi Brandy,

The article I was refering to is
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/14211e1f-2dbd-418d-b721-2005c725ce351033.mspx

However I think that I understand why it states 3 servers are reqd (for
Namespaces to work) - also I think this is for SBS2003 R2 - and I don't
think I have R2.

I think you have answered my questions (inadvertantly)....but i'm sure you
can help me further...!!
I am setting up a second SBS server to cope with a possible server failure,
I now understand that it is not possible to put two SBS's on the same
domain - so i'll put them on different domains. I can use 3rd party software
to set up a mirror for the shared space.
I will use SQL replication for my SQL database.
What is the best way of maintaining a copy of my exchange database though? -
i currently plan to run hourly Exmerge scripts to extract and retreive the
data from one server to the other. I only have 9 clients.
Also - should a server failure occur - my users will be taught how to login
to the second server, - but this requires a reboot (on win2kpro) - does this
require a reboot on XPpro? - and is there a more elegant way of switching
between two servers. - eg - can I make the names of the two domains stay in
the Crtl-Alt-Del login option - which my users are all familiar with, so
that they don't have to use My Computer/Network
Identification/Properties/etc

Many Thanks

Kevin

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
Hello Kevin,
Thank you for posting to the SBS Newsgroup.
I understand that you have two SBS 2K3 Server and you want to configure DFS
between these two SBS Server. If I have misunderstood your concern, please
let me know.
I am sorry but I am not sure which exact "Technet article" you have read.
Could you please let me know the web link?
Please understand that we only can use DFS in one Domain, and its
sub-domain. For example, if you have a Windows 2K3 Server or Windows Server
2000 as a second DC or member server in the SBS 2003 domain, we can use the
DFS to replicate the files. To do this, you can create a domain root on the
SBS 2003 server, enable DFS on the W2K3/W2K server and then configure the
replication between these two servers.
Since you have two SBS Servers, and there can only be one Windows Small
Business Server in the Windows Small Business Server domain, I am sorry to
say that we can not use DFS between these two SBS Servers.
I suggest that we create some user accounts in each domain and grant users
appropriate permissions to access the shared folders on the SBS Servers.
Step-by-Step Guide to Distributed File System (Dfs)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/howto/dfsguide.

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
mspx
Windows Server 2003 Deployment Guide

http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/c283b699-6124-4c3a-87

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
ef-865443d7ea4b1033.mspx
Getting Started: Windows Small Business Server 2003 with SP1

http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/a/3/9a306a75-e7da-461f-996d-7b93e09

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
948ee/GettingStarted_Combined.doc
Windows Small Business Server 2003 Technical FAQ

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
mspx
If you have any further questions or concerns on this issue, please feel
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Brandy Nee
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
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Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
2

x SBS2003 servers?
I read a Technet article which indicated/implied that a minimum of 3

servers

is necessary.
Is this the case?
Thanks in advance
Kevin Young
Cambridge UK

Brandy Nee [MSFT]

2006-02-09 09:52:19 UTC

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Hello Kevin,

Thank you for posting back!

I understand that you want to configure another SBS 2K3 Server in another
domain for Backup Purpose. However, I do not think is doable. This is
becaue, when the first SBS Server is down, the second server will be a new
domain and we need to migrate the client computers to the new domain, so
all users will loose their profiles and data such as emails etc. We cannot
synchronize data between these servers since we cannot have 2 SBS servers
in the same network.

We strongly suggest that you configure a good backup plan and once the
server crashes we can restore from the backup.

For the detailed Backup information, please see our Backup White Paper:

Backing Up and Restoring Windows Small Business Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=487736f8-f6f5-436d-
a82d-0c8d66e2a634&DisplayLang=en

If you have any further questions or concerns on this issue, please feel
free to let me know. I am glad to be of assistance!

Best regards,

Brandy Nee

Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

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Subject: Re: DFS Replication & Namespace
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Hi Brandy,
The article I was refering to is
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/14211e1f-2dbd-418d-b

721-2005c725ce351033.mspx

However I think that I understand why it states 3 servers are reqd (for
Namespaces to work) - also I think this is for SBS2003 R2 - and I don't
think I have R2.
I think you have answered my questions (inadvertantly)....but i'm sure you
can help me further...!!
I am setting up a second SBS server to cope with a possible server failure,
I now understand that it is not possible to put two SBS's on the same
domain - so i'll put them on different domains. I can use 3rd party software
to set up a mirror for the shared space.
I will use SQL replication for my SQL database.
What is the best way of maintaining a copy of my exchange database though? -
i currently plan to run hourly Exmerge scripts to extract and retreive the
data from one server to the other. I only have 9 clients.
Also - should a server failure occur - my users will be taught how to login
to the second server, - but this requires a reboot (on win2kpro) - does this
require a reboot on XPpro? - and is there a more elegant way of switching
between two servers. - eg - can I make the names of the two domains stay in
the Crtl-Alt-Del login option - which my users are all familiar with, so
that they don't have to use My Computer/Network
Identification/Properties/etc
Many Thanks
Kevin

Kevin

2006-02-09 11:11:45 UTC

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Hi Brandy,

I have a good backup plan in place, but this can take many hours to restore.
My problem is that I am the only IT support person here and I'm not always
here!
I want to provide a failover solution that the users can perform if I'm not
here such that there is minimal (almost zero) downtime.
Why can users not have 2 profiles, - one for each server?
When they logon to the new server (in a new domain) they will find that the
environment is the same, they will have access to shared folders, internet,
& be able to connect to SQL server.
For email - I propose to restore mailboxes on the second server using
Exmerge, which may take a short time, but they'll have immediate access to
new mail & be able to send mail immediately.
This should work, - shouldn't it?

Kevin

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=487736f8-f6f5-436d-

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
a82d-0c8d66e2a634&DisplayLang=en
If you have any further questions or concerns on this issue, please feel
free to let me know. I am glad to be of assistance!
Best regards,
Brandy Nee
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/14211e1f-2dbd-418d-b
721-2005c725ce351033.mspx

software

to set up a mirror for the shared space.
I will use SQL replication for my SQL database.
What is the best way of maintaining a copy of my exchange database

though?

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
-

i currently plan to run hourly Exmerge scripts to extract and retreive the
data from one server to the other. I only have 9 clients.
Also - should a server failure occur - my users will be taught how to login
to the second server, - but this requires a reboot (on win2kpro) - does

this

require a reboot on XPpro? - and is there a more elegant way of switching
between two servers. - eg - can I make the names of the two domains stay in
the Crtl-Alt-Del login option - which my users are all familiar with, so
that they don't have to use My Computer/Network
Identification/Properties/etc
Many Thanks
Kevin

Brandy Nee [MSFT]

2006-02-10 09:51:54 UTC

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Hello Kevin,

Thank you for posting back!

Kevin, I fully understand that you situation. Actually, We use the ADMT
tool and Exchange Migration Wizard to migrate the SBS Server.

Active Directory Migration Tool (ADMT) A tool used to simplify the process
of moving users, groups, and computers from one Active Directory? directory
service domain to another, or of migrating from Windows 2000 Server domains
to Active Directory domains.

Exchange Migration Wizard A tool that simplifies the process of moving
mailboxes from one Exchange server to another when the mailboxes are not in
the same domain.

For more detailed information, please see:

Migrating from Small Business Server 2000 or Windows 2000 Server to Windows
Small Business Server 2003
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/d/c/6dccf9b4-d915-4c95-b5af-100b89e
02add/SBS_MigratingSBS2k.doc

I suggest that you have a look at following Documents to well maintenance
your SBS Server:

Windows Small Business Server 2003 Best Practices
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d9f63c79-6488-4058-
bd90-94d46c82cd68&DisplayLang=en

I also found following Documents for you, please see:

Windows Small Business Server 2003 Troubleshooting
http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/6/1/561c9fd7-0e27-4525-94ec-4d2d38f
61aa3/TSHT_SBS.htm

Windows Small Business Server 2003 Technical FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/generalfaq.
mspx

Hope this information helps. If you have any further questions or concern,
please feel free to let me know. I am looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,

Brandy Nee

Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

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Hi Brandy,
I have a good backup plan in place, but this can take many hours to restore.
My problem is that I am the only IT support person here and I'm not always
here!
I want to provide a failover solution that the users can perform if I'm not
here such that there is minimal (almost zero) downtime.
Why can users not have 2 profiles, - one for each server?
When they logon to the new server (in a new domain) they will find that the
environment is the same, they will have access to shared folders, internet,
& be able to connect to SQL server.
For email - I propose to restore mailboxes on the second server using
Exmerge, which may take a short time, but they'll have immediate access to
new mail & be able to send mail immediately.
This should work, - shouldn't it?
Kevin

KevCar

2006-03-03 20:40:24 UTC

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Sorry I didn't see this posting. I am not sure if it was located under my
original post. I understand that you can have only one SBS server. What I am
doing is a migration to a new box. So I don't have 2 SBS servers. I have one
fully functioning SBS server and a windows 2003 server that I have
configured for temporary use to transfer the Active directory info. This
should be possible. Everything but the SYSvol and netlogon shares transfers
over.

Post by Brandy Nee [MSFT]
Hello Kevin,
Thank you for posting back!
I understand that you want to configure another SBS 2K3 Server in another
domain for Backup Purpose. However, I do not think is doable. This is
becaue, when the first SBS Server is down, the second server will be a new
domain and we need to migrate the client computers to the new domain, so
all users will loose their profiles and data such as emails etc. We cannot
synchronize data between these servers since we cannot have 2 SBS servers
in the same network.
We strongly suggest that you configure a good backup plan and once the
server crashes we can restore from the backup.
Backing Up and Restoring Windows Small Business Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=487736f8-f6f5-436d-
a82d-0c8d66e2a634&DisplayLang=en
If you have any further questions or concerns on this issue, please feel
free to let me know. I am glad to be of assistance!
Best regards,
Brandy Nee
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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721-2005c725ce351033.mspx

software

to set up a mirror for the shared space.
I will use SQL replication for my SQL database.
What is the best way of maintaining a copy of my exchange database though?

this

Brandy Nee [MSFT]

2006-03-06 07:28:44 UTC

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Hello Kevin,

Thank you for posting back and keeping us updated!

I am sorry for the delayed response due to the weekend. Please understand
that the newsgroups are staffed weekdays by Microsoft Support professionals
to answer your systems and applications questions. Your understanding is
greatly appreciated!

From your reply, I understand that you want to migrate the SBS 2K3 Server
to another machine. We have a KB article to introduce how to install a
Microsoft Windows Small Business Server (SBS) 2003-based computer in an
existing domain.

884453 How to install Small Business Server 2003 in an existing Active
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=884453

After installing the new SBS 2003 server into the existing SBS 2003 domain,
we can retire the old server.

If you have any further questions or concern, please feel free to let me
know. I am looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,

Brandy Nee

Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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Sorry I didn't see this posting. I am not sure if it was located under my
original post. I understand that you can have only one SBS server. What I am
doing is a migration to a new box. So I don't have 2 SBS servers. I have one
fully functioning SBS server and a windows 2003 server that I have
configured for temporary use to transfer the Active directory info. This
should be possible. Everything but the SYSvol and netlogon shares transfers
over.

Brandy Nee [MSFT]

2006-03-14 05:58:27 UTC

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Hello Kevin,

Thank you for posting back!

I am glad to hear that everything is working right on your SBS Server. If
you need any assistance in the future, please feel free to keep posting
back in our Newsgroup. We are glad to be working with you again!

Best regards,

Brandy Nee

Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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different incidents in different threads to keep the thread clean. In doing
so, it will ensure your issues are resolved in a timely manner.

For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft CSS directly. Please
check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.

Any input or comments in this thread are highly appreciated.
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