Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and needs to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."

Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'

Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM

By Melanie Batley

Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and needs
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."

In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in July,
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the GOP is
"moving further and further to the right."

"We need to build an inclusive party, not an exclusive party. We need to
broaden the base with Latinos and blacks and young people - almost every
group. We're losing ground," said former majority leader and GOP
presidential nominee from Kansas.

Dole faced off against Bill Clinton in the 1996 presidential campaign after
serving in Congress for 35 years. He still tries to go to work every day at
his law firm in Washington, despite chronic pain from wounds he sustained as
an army lieutenant in World War II. But it's not the same as making the
rounds on Capitol Hill.

"I miss it," he told Eagle about being on the front line of politics. "I
miss being in the eye of the storm."

Dole's more than eleven years serving at various times as both Senate
majority and minority leader has been defined by his willingness to work
closely with Democrats, an approach he said he consciously cultivated.

"I think a lot if it is, like I said, developing relationships - not because
I want something - but just because I'm in the same body as these other 99
senators, D's and R's. It takes a lot of work and a lot of time, and some
people you just can't bring around," Dole said, adding: "If you keep working
at it, you can probably get it done."

Dole also revealed that former President Bill Clinton asked for his advice
about how to deal with Congress over the 1998 scandal with White House
intern, Monica Lewinsky.

"He asked me, 'What would you do?' And I said, 'Well, if I could get a
letter signed by whatever the number (of senators) needed that would say, 'I'll
never vote for impeachment' - that's pretty good medicine.'"

The former senator said his proudest achievements were the twenty years he
spent on the House and Senate agricultural committees supporting farmers,
and also his role in the passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act in
1990.

In answer to how he wants to be remembered, Dole said, "[As] someone who
loved his job and loved his state and the people in it. And tried to
demonstrate those things by what I did in Congress, the House and the
Senate, particularly the Senate."

He added, "I think my sense of humor was one of my strengths."
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"Consider a 1998 study in the "Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery"
that found that every time a gun was used in a house in a self defense or
legally justifiable shooting there were four unintentional shootings , seven
criminal assaults, or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides"
from Scientific American May 2013

"We've got to stop being the stupid party,"
the Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal explained.
"It's time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults.

"Facts." John Adams argued "are stubborn things,
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations,
or of the dictates of our passion, they cannot
alter the state of facts and evidence.

Bret Cahill

2013-05-26 19:08:48 UTC

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.

Bret Cahill

Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

2013-05-26 19:34:09 UTC

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

Denny

2013-05-26 19:52:27 UTC

Post by Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
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eeds

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to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
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uly,

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said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

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"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

2013-05-27 01:38:15 UTC

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eeds

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to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
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said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
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"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH !! Sure he is (wink-nudge). That's why
you leftists ripped him apart every time he ran for office. Nice try
Denny ol' bean.

Denny

2013-05-27 05:57:17 UTC

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH !! Sure he is (wink-nudge). That's why
you leftists ripped him apart every time he ran for office. Nice try
Denny ol' bean.

Not true. Back then a Republican could have a viewpoint and you could agree
or disagree with it. He was the last party figure that didn't wallow in the
gutter to get the winger vote. He didn't pound away at the Monica thing
night and day like some others did. I respected him and I think he would
have respected me if he'd known me. Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart
for those old guys. He was a Purple Heart WWII guy, just like my father.

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2013-05-27 17:19:57 UTC

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Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.
Republicans are currently owned by corporations. They have not only
defended corporations but have worked tirelessly to push corporate
sponsored legislation through Congress. The Founding Fathers feared
this kind of relationship and viewed corporations with suspicion and
largely kept them at arms length

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/20/the-founding-liberals/

The Founding Liberals
by Stephen D. Foster Jr. • May 20, 2013

Today is the Fourth of July, a time when we as Americans celebrate our
nations independence. Conservatives across the country are pretending
to be patriotic. Liberals on the other hand are celebrating the
biggest achievement that appears on their resume’: the founding of
America and its government. You see, the Founding Fathers were, and
always will be, liberals. And here are seven reasons why.
1. Although Thomas Jefferson didn’t know it at the time, when he wrote
the Declaration of Independence, he created the document that would be
used as the basis for universal human rights, which liberals
wholeheartedly support. Today’s conservatives are more interested in
stripping away human rights, and have fought relentlessly to repeal
rights from women, religious groups, and minorities. I understand that
the Founding Fathers owned slaves, but I never said they were perfect
either. The Founders, however, did believe that slavery had to end at
some point and they knew that progress could not happen all at once,
especially when they were just trying to keep the new nation afloat,
but they intended us to progress. It would take another liberal to end
slavery almost 100 years later, and yet another liberal would grant
women the vote in the early 20th century.

2. Conservatives always claim that liberals are the supporters of big
government. Well, the Founding Fathers also supported big government.
Oh sure, they tried small government at one point but The Articles of
Confederation didn’t cut it. The Federal Government under that
document was useless and powerless. General chaos reigned among the
states. Revenue couldn’t be raised. Laws conflicted between the
states. Small government had failed. So, the Founders had an idea.
They met in secret in 1787 and wrote the Constitution which created a
bigger, stronger central government. Conservatives would call that
growing the government.
3. Within the Constitution, the Founders gave power to the Congress to
levy taxes as necessary. The Founding Fathers never had an issue with
taxes. On the contrary, the founding generation waged the American
Revolution because they felt that they were not properly represented
in the British Parliament. The legislative branch established in the
Constitution, however, properly represents every American. We vote for
who represents us. Therefore when Congress raises taxes, they are
doing the job we voted for them to do. Conservatives today
consistently associate tax hikes with liberal policies. So, according
to Republicans, the Founders are liberals. James Monroe, our fifth
President, once said, “To impose taxes when the public exigencies
require them is an obligation of the most sacred character, especially
with a free people.” It most certainly applies today. 4. The Founding
Fathers made it possible for us to change the Constitution when
necessary. That is the beauty of the document. But Republicans are
only lobbying to change the Constitution so that only the original
document applies. They would repeal most of the amendments and many of
the rights. Liberals on the other hand are all about change for the
better and seek to perfect the Constitution which is what the Founders
intended.
5. Republicans have claimed time and time again that health care
mandates and government run health care is unconstitutional. They have
also consistently slammed liberals for being the ones that introduce
such programs and laws. What they fail to recognize is that health
care mandates and government run health care dates all the way back to
the Founding Fathers. In 1798, John Adams signed the very first health
care mandate into law. The law required sailors to pay a tax to the
United States government which in turn would provide medical care to
them. The next President, Thomas Jefferson, apparently approved of
this program as well, since he never challenged it, nor did he ever
try to repeal it. According to Republican logic, Adams and Jefferson
are a couple big government liberals.
6. Republicans are currently owned by corporations. They have not only
defended corporations but have worked tirelessly to push corporate
sponsored legislation through Congress. The Founding Fathers feared
this kind of relationship and viewed corporations with suspicion and
largely kept them at arms length. In fact, one reason the founding
generation went to war with Britain is because of the influence that
the East India Trading Company had on the British Parliament. A
corporation even once governed Massachusetts on behalf of England. The
Revolutionary War ended this practice. After the nation’s founding,
corporations were granted charters by the state as they are today.
Unlike today, however, corporations were only permitted to exist 20 or
30 years and could only deal in one commodity, could not hold stock in
other companies, and their property holdings were limited to what they
needed to accomplish their business goals. And perhaps the most
important facet of all this is that most states in the early days of
the nation had laws on the books that made any political contribution
by corporations a criminal offense. When you think about it, the
regulations imposed on corporations in the early days of America were
far harsher than they are now. Still not convinced? Here is some
advice from Thomas Jefferson that all Americans should take to heart.
“I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a
trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
7. Separation of church and state is not just a liberal concept, the
Founding Fathers made it part of America’s sacred foundation. Freedom
of Religion was not included in the Constitution just to protect
Christianity. Freedom of Religion protects ALL religions, even if you
do not practice any religion at all. The idea that a wall between
church and state doesn’t exist is absurd and the idea that the
Founders meant America to be a Christian state is equally absurd.
Nowhere in the Constitution can you find God, Jesus, or any mention of
a specific religion whatsoever. The only mention of religion is that
we all have the freedom to practice whatever religion we want and that
government cannot make any law that puts one religion over the other,
even Christianity.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” ~First Amendment, Bill of
Rights of the Constitution
Even our Founding Fathers interpreted Freedom of Religion as being the
wall between church and state. Take these quotes for instance.
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from
these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe
with blood for centuries.” ~James Madison
“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American
people which declared that their legislature should make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise
thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
~Thomas Jefferson, as President, in a letter to the Baptists of
Danbury, Connecticut, 1802
In the present day, Republicans are heavily allied with Christian
right wing extremists that would require Bible studies in every school
across the country. Considering how diverse America is today, even the
Founders would reject that. Christianity is a dying religion and the
extremists have only themselves to blame for that. Their hard line
stance is disgusting and un-American. It goes against everything the
framers of the Constitution envisioned when they wrote the first
amendment. If these fundamentalist Christians want to teach the Bible
in private schools, let them. But stay out of public schools. People
do not pay school taxes so that their child can be indoctrinated into
barbaric and outdated religions. Religion is not what our children
need to be learning. Our country needs more men and women of science,
mathematics, and history. Not Bible thumpers.
Each of these seven items represent precedents set by the Founders.
Their vision has carried us forward and we owe it to them to not let
that vision die. The Founding Fathers were not conservatives as
Republicans would have us believe. Not even Republicans began as
conservatives. Early Republicans believed that they were doing what
the Founders would have done. That is precisely why they fought
against slavery and fought for women’s rights. In the ever continuing
quest to perfect the American experiment, the liberal Republicans of
the 1850′s and 1860′s took over the torch that the Founders lit and
carried it forward to brighten the future. Liberals have carried the
torch forward ever since and now are under the Democratic Party
banner. If the Founders had been conservatives, that torch would have
remained unlit and we would still be under British rule. So as you
celebrate America’s independence, remember that it was a bunch of
liberals that gave us freedom and the ability to change and perfect
our nation. The very word “liberal” means favorable to or in accord
with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as
guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil
liberties. Conservatives certainly have no interest in concepts of
maximum freedom. They only seek to strip freedom and rights away.
Liberals have not changed much since the founding era. Liberals still
believe in the power of government to help and care for its people.
They still strive to increase civil rights and still believe in
bringing the American Dream to every man, woman, and child living in
this country. Liberalism is the embodiment of what makes America great
and is something we should all celebrate and cherish with our lives
today.

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 17:59:19 UTC

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Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.

You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.

You're a progressive.

Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.

The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Sid9

2013-05-27 18:15:41 UTC

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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.

Nice "spin" attempt.
It's worn out bullshit.
Try something new.

Like a little honesty about how race is involved with the hatred of Obama.

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 23:11:38 UTC

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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.
Nice "spin" attempt.
It's worn out bullshit.
Try something new.
Like a little honesty about how race is involved with the hatred of Obama.

What's worn out is socialism and marxism. It's an experiment that works
no where it's tried.

Ever.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Sid9

2013-05-27 23:15:54 UTC

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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing
ground"
and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will
be
90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.
Nice "spin" attempt.
It's worn out bullshit.
Try something new.
Like a little honesty about how race is involved with the hatred of Obama.

What's worn out is socialism and marxism. It's an experiment that works
no where it's tried.
Ever.

.
.
That's old, too
The world learned it when the Soviet Union collapsed.

As I said let's try for some Republican honesty about racism being the
source of their dislike for Obama.

Denny

2013-05-28 00:16:37 UTC

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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing
ground"
and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who
will be
90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party,
saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even
Barack Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the
1930s back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.
Nice "spin" attempt.
It's worn out bullshit.
Try something new.
Like a little honesty about how race is involved with the hatred of Obama.

What's worn out is socialism and marxism. It's an experiment that works
no where it's tried.
Ever.

.
.
That's old, too
The world learned it when the Soviet Union collapsed.
As I said let's try for some Republican honesty about racism being the
source of their dislike for Obama.

The Southern version of right-wingers start off with racism when they are
young. It's often taught to them by parents and older family members. Later
they branch out, hating Hispanics, Jews, Liberals, and Democrats. But the
Firm undying basis of their politics is simple, old-fashioned, vicious
racism. Any northerners or westerners see the same kind of people there?

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:18:40 UTC

Post by Denny
The Southern version of right-wingers start off with racism when they are
young. It's often taught to them by parents and older family members. Later
they branch out, hating Hispanics, Jews, Liberals, and Democrats. But the
Firm undying basis of their politics is simple, old-fashioned, vicious
racism. Any northerners or westerners see the same kind of people there?

Yes we do!!!

snicker

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2013-05-28 01:25:48 UTC

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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground"
and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be
90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying
the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.
Nice "spin" attempt.
It's worn out bullshit.
Try something new.
Like a little honesty about how race is involved with the hatred of Obama.

What's worn out is socialism and marxism. It's an experiment that works
no where it's tried.

marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

Post by Neolibertarian
Ever.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:36:46 UTC

In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.

hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

Sid9

2013-05-28 02:01:56 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

.
.
.
.
Marxism is dead.
It died with the death of the Soviet Union.
Stop flogging a dead horse

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 02:52:48 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

.
.
.
.
Marxism is dead.
It died with the death of the Soviet Union.
Stop flogging a dead horse

Tell that to the idiot Nickname Unavailable he's the one who made the
stupid claim (in response to Neolibertarian who agreed with you "what's
worn out is Marxism")

Still waiting for any leftard who agrees with Nickname Unavailable's
stupid statement to step forward and support him. Not that I expect
anyone to. Just enjoy rubbing Nickname's nose in his stupidity

OK, Nickname your turn to prattle on about "when are you going to
apologize for telling the truth about war criminal Franklin Roosevelt."

snicker

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 05:53:07 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

.
.
.
.
Marxism is dead.
It died with the death of the Soviet Union.
Stop flogging a dead horse

Tell that to the idiot Nickname Unavailable he's the one who made the
stupid claim (in response to Neolibertarian who agreed with you "what's
worn out is Marxism")
Still waiting for any leftard who agrees with Nickname Unavailable's
stupid statement to step forward and support him. Not that I expect
anyone to. Just enjoy rubbing Nickname's nose in his stupidity
OK, Nickname your turn to prattle on about "when are you going to
apologize for telling the truth about war criminal Franklin Roosevelt."
snicker

marx had much in common with conservatives and libertarians, both are
free traders, marx advocated for free trade, both conservatives and
libertarians want government to disappear, of be reduced to nothing,
marx also believed that also.
i see very little difference between a free market
economy(conservatism/fascsim), or a communist economy(marxism), in
either system, almost all wealth and power ends up in the hands of a
few.
so how educated are you? we know that the above happened in fascist
economics, and in communist economies, almost all wealth and power
ended up in the hands of a few:)
once you remove those pesky democratic institutions and rule of law,
you get rid of real government, and you get a fascist or communist
paradise.
both conservatives and communists bark and bray the same crap.

http://www.mailstar.net/classwar.html

Why Karl Marx Advocated Free Trade (Capitalism)
Peter Myers, Canberra, Australia, August 2, 2001; update January 7,
2003. My comments are shown {thus}. Write to me at contact.html.
You are at http://mailstar.net/classwar.html.
Karl Marx advocated Free Trade, i.e. Capitalism, because (a) whereas
Protection builds up the nation-state, Free Trade breaks it down, as a
prelude to the creation of a world-state by the Capitalists (b) Free
Trade breaks down traditional culture, as a prelude to the creation of
a world culture (c) Free Trade exacerbates class warfare, and through
this the Capitalists will lose control of the world-state - they will
be defeated by the impoverished classes, with the help of their
backers in the higher classes.

http://www.worsleyschool.net/socialarts/marxengels/page.html
The term 'communism' has several meanings. According to Marxist
theory, it is the final condition of a country when goods produced by
the workers are distributed equally to all, and where 'the state' no
longer exists.

According to Marx, socialism would let the workers control the wealth
of a country by having the state take control the production of
factories, farms, mines, and other industries. He believed that the
common worker could never have political equality or freedom without
this economic equality. Social services like health, education, and
housing would be provided free, but people would still be paid wages
according to their work.

When all countries had developed socialist economies, they would form
an international 'communist' society, ... a stateless society where
central government had 'withered away', and there was local control of
all affairs by democratic processes at the place of work. There would
be no market system (no money, no buying, no selling); rather, there
would be a system where people would voluntarily work for the common
good, with the understanding that they could receive whatever they
needed for free ('from each according to his ability, to each
according to his needs'). National boundaries and governments would be
eliminated, and wars would no longer happen.

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 02:32:16 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

when are you going to apologize for calling our WWII vets war
criminals.

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/thread/8455997cbba5630d/e891055dbf97c108?hl=en&q=Harold+Burton++world+war+two&lnk=ol&

Harold Burton
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<90d4c035-5a00-4dc5-b0c5-***@s9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Bret Cahill <***@peoplepc.com> wrote:

- Show quoted text -

Well doh. Democrat FDR proved that in the 40s when he firebombed
thousands of innocent women and children in Dresden, Tokyo and
numerous
other cities.
snicker

you were responded to promptly by a patriot.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/thread/8455997cbba5630d/b08042a9da25f19f?hl=en&q=Harold+Burton++world+war+two&lnk=nl&
While It's ALWAYS DISconcerting To Encounter a HOPELESS IGNORAMUS,
it is Conversely, a GREAT PLEASURE To Illustrate - And Hopefully
DISSIPATE - The HARM of The DEPENDABLY, Self-Serving, Fact-
INTOLERANT, Delusional And INTRACTABLE IGNORANCE of such Notable
RighTARDS as "Harold Burton"...
THUS: The Rationale For AND Decision To Bomb [FIRST With High-
Explosives, THEN With Incendiaries] Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets] Was a - Waaaaait Forrr Iiiiiit - *British* Undertaking...
FDR's Involvement being Limited To his Administration's LONG-Standing
Acquiescence To Placing [American] Eighth Air Force assets At The
Disposal Of British Air Marshalls... As Would Be Expected Of a GOOD
War-Time Ally...
ERGO: *The British* Bombed Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets]  employing Combined Military Assets of British and American
Forces...  The *British* FIRST Low-Level Attacking at *Night*, Per
British  Strategy; American Forces [Under *British* Command] High-
Level  Attacking by Next Daylight...
ERGO - The Sequel: CONTRARY To Harold The RighTARD's HOPELESSLY
IGNORANT And Self-Serving, Ignoramus-Speak Blather, FDR had LITTLE OR
NOTHING To Do With The Bombing Of Dresden and Most Likely, Wasn't
Even  Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb
Several  East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian
Advance...

even after knowing the slaughter of americans in the Philippines,
and all of the other atrocities commited by them, they would have to
be worn down, as they tried to do to us.
and here is your response, you defended the nazis, and now you defend
the imperialists japanese.

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/thread/8455997cbba5630d/b08042a9da25f19f?hl=en&q=Harold+Burton++world+war+two&lnk=nl&
The CiC takes ultimate responsibility for what our armed services do.
 The buck stopped at FDR's desk.

Post by Neolibertarian
. . . .and Most Likely, Wasn't Even
Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb Several
East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian Advance...

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Now THAT's even funnier.
I also notice you did your best to ignore the firebombing of
Tokyo . . .  and Osaka . . . and Kobe . . . and Fukuoka . . . and,
oh hell just  check out http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html. How
are you going to  blame that on the Brits?
then i demanded a apology,
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/thread/8455997cbba5630d/b08042a9da25f19f?hl=en&q=Harold+Burton++world+war+two&lnk=nl&
and he owes WWII vets a apology.

you said,

Just as you owe sentient beings an apology
Hahahahahahahahahahah

you sir are not only a liar, but a unpatriotic one at that.

and you added this recently

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/thread/3803f1d64d8e4b45/5d73a1560313be84?hl=en&

. . . and deliberately targeting and murdering civilians.
snicker

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 05:47:56 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

marxism is a form of "CONSERVATISM", in fact marx was in reality, a
libertarian.

OK, leftards, any of you who agree with this speak up.
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

marx was for the elimination of government, so that people could be
free to interact with one another without government interference,
just like "CONSERVATIVES".

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 00:49:53 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

yawn,

no, you are using the european definition of liberalism, its the
opposite of traditional american liberalism, as practiced by the
majority of the founders of the united states of america, who
enshrined american liberalism into the constitution of the united
states of america.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

The origins of American liberalism lie in the political ideals of The
Enlightenment.[4] The Constitution of the United States of 1787 set up
the first modern republic, with sovereignty in the people (not in a
monarch) and no hereditary ruling aristocracy. However, the
Constitution limited liberty by accepting slavery. The Founding
Fathers recognized the contradiction, and most expected slavery to
wither away. Indeed it was abolished in all the Northern states by
1804, but due to the demand for raw cotton by the Industrial
Revolution, plantation slavery continued to flourish in the Deep
South.
From the time of the Revolution to the present day, America has
extended liberty to ever broader classes of people. The states
abolished restrictions on voting in the early 19th century. The
Constitution was amended in 1865 to abolish slavery, in 1870 to extend
the vote to Black men, in 1920 to extend the vote to women, and in
1971 to lower the voting age to 18. The Jim Crow system of the South
between the 1890s and 1960s relegated blacks to second class
citizenship, until it was overthrown by the Civil Rights Movement and
new federal laws in 1964 and 1965.[5]
Thomas Jefferson believed that America should remain a nation of small
farmers.[6] As America became more and more a nation of businessmen,
liberals began to fear threats to liberty from corruption and
monopolies (called "trusts" at the time).[7][8] Wealth was
concentrated in the hands of a few—especially in the new fast-growing
cities—raised questions whether political democracy could survive the
power of the rich.
The dominance of the Republican Party for most of the era 1860-1932,
the Third Party System, and the Fourth Party System, prevented any
major reversal of the concentration of wealth. During the Progressive
Era of the early 20th century, laws were passed restricting monopolies
(the antitrust movement) and regulating railroad rates.[9][10]
After 1933, modern liberals used the New Deal to provide jobs during
the Great Depression. The Social Security act of 1935 provided
retirement and disability income for Americans unable to work or
unable to find jobs.[11] In the Social Security Act of 1965, this was
extended to provide benefits for Americans unable to work due to
illness.
In the 1960s, liberals fought for the rights of blacks and women, and
for protection of the environment. They split on the issue of the
Vietnam War.
A reaction against modern American liberalism began with Barry
Goldwater, which led to the eventual election of Ronald Reagan in
1980. The intellectual foundations of this conservative resurgence
included the works of free-market economists Milton Friedman and the
Chicago School of Economics, who argued against central economic
planning (with the notable exception of the Federal Reserve),
regulation of business, and Keynesian economics. Deregulation began in
the mid-1970s and had broad support from both liberals and
conservatives. Reagan successfully lowered marginal tax rates, most
notably for those at the top of the income distribution, while his
Social Security reforms raised taxes on the middle and bottom of the
income distribution, leaving their total tax burden unchanged. [12]
Democratic president Bill Clinton (1993–2001) worked with
conservatives, against strong liberal opposition, to end some of the
main welfare programs and to implement NAFTA, linking the economies of
the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Clinton pushed to extend modern liberal
ideals especially in the areas of health care (where he failed) and
environmental protection (where he had more success).[13]
According to Louis Hartz, liberalism was the only significant
political tradition in the United States. However in the 1970s,
Bernard Bailyn, Gordon Wood and J. G. A. Pocock saw republicanism as
the main political tradition.[clarification needed] In the 1980s, J.
David Green returned to Hartz's thesis, but saw two different types of
liberalism in the tradition, which he called humanist and reform. More
recently, writers have seen a multitude of traditions, including
liberalism, republicanism and protestantism.[14][dubious – discuss]
[clarification needed]

as you can see, jefferson was a liberal, as well as thomas paine.
the declaration of independence, the preamble, and the constitution
are all based on the writings of thomas paine. paine advocated for a
social democracy.
in fact a majority of the founders were liberals, they despised
conservatism, and blamed conservatives for almost losing the
revolution.

The Constitution of the United States
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on
the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and
current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas,
and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use
shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the
Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the
Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia
according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof.

THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE
Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.

The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the
Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the
United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the
constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a
federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.

so any law, treaty or regulation that is deemed constitutional, shall
be the law of the land. its really quite simple. the constitution was
crafted by liberals, who gave the constitution broad powers to
legislate, tax, regulate, negate state law, mandate, tariff, to
promote and provide for the general welfare, to ensure domestic
tranquility:)))

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 01:38:56 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground"
and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be
90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

The more you attempt to prove you know what you're discussing, the more apparent it is that you haven't a clue.

Sorry, it just is what it is.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 05:50:39 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E

"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground"
and
n=

eeds

Post by Sid9
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be
90 in
J=

uly,

Post by Sid9
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying
the
GOP =

Post by Sid9
"moving further and further to the right."

Dole had an opportunity to toss the wingers and he did nothing.
Bret Cahill

"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming Republicans need
to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

True. Bob Dole is too honorable to fit in with the modern Republican Party.

You see the Founding Fathers were and always will be, liberals.

Liberal, in the sense that word was used at the time of the founding, is
pretty much what conservatives are attempting to conserve.
You haven't gotten the memo, obviously, but liberals don't like the term
liberal. They won't use it, unless pressed into a corner. Even Barack
Hussein Obama never could make it acceptable.
You're a progressive.
Which, of course, means you're regressive, and want to bring the 1930s
back to America.
The root of liberal is liberty. A massive administrative state is an
anathema to liberty.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

The more you attempt to prove you know what you're discussing, the more apparent it is that you haven't a clue.
Sorry, it just is what it is.

nothing for you to be sorry over, your a typical "CONSERVATIVE".

"THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their
“just” desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
point out that the world didn’t actually work that way. I think this
shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into “creat[ing]
their own reality,” into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,
scientists, and academics, and why they won’t let a campaign “be
dictated by fact-checkers” (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains
why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news
sources or don’t bother to follow the news at all.

Post by Neolibertarian
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-26 20:05:12 UTC

On May 26, 2:34 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey r"

Post by Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
"Bob Dole" !!?? Now THAT'S who todays young, upcoming
Republicans need to model themselves after !! LMMFAO !!

Another one who would have advised the same as Mr. Dole is Ronald
Reagan.

But, heck!, why do we Liberals even bother: After all...

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!

Literally.

-Ramon

Hell Stomper

2013-05-26 21:00:48 UTC

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-27 01:45:55 UTC

Post by Hell Stomper
We will just see about that, won't we?

Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?

Isn't 5/6 elections (with a strong probability of becoming 6/7) not
enough being kicked in your teeth?

Your individual strategy (sadly becoming collective) is simple:

"Just move the damn party as far to the right, while I am alive, for
the few years I have left".

In the immortal words of Louis Quinze:

"Après moi le déluge!!"

-Ramon

--------------------

"GOP should be ‘Closed for repairs,’ says Dole"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/26/gop-should-be-closed-for-repairs-says-dole/

Denny

2013-05-27 06:02:12 UTC

Post by Hell Stomper
We will just see about that, won't we?

Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?
Isn't 5/6 elections (with a strong probability of becoming 6/7) not
enough being kicked in your teeth?
"Just move the damn party as far to the right, while I am alive, for
the few years I have left".
"Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!!"
-Ramon
--------------------
"GOP should be =91Closed for repairs,=92 says Dole"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/26/gop-should-be-closed-fo
r-= repairs-says-dole/

Gotcha in a mistake Ramon. It was Madame Pompadour, (sp?) the wife of Louis
XV, as the end grew nearer. Anyway, I had the same exact thought when I
read that about Dole. Waht a difference. He was the nominee, and four years
later, the Creature.

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-27 16:04:39 UTC

> We will just see about that, won't we?
Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?
Isn't 5/6 elections (with a strong probability of becoming 6/7) not
enough being kicked in your teeth?
"Just move the damn party as far to the right, while I am alive, for
the few years I have left".
"Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!!"
-Ramon
--------------------
"GOP should be =91Closed for repairs,=92 says Dole"
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/26/gop-should-be-closed-fo
r-= repairs-says-dole/

"Après moi le déluge!!"

Post by Denny
Gotcha in a mistake Ramon. It was Madame Pompadour, (sp?)
the wife of Louis XV

"Popular legend holds that Louis said, "After me, the flood" ("Après
moi, le déluge"). This quotation is attributed to Madame de Pompadour,
although it is not certain that even she ever said it.[21]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XV_of_France
http://tradicionclasica.blogspot.com/2006/01/expression-aprs-moi-le-dluge-and-its.html

-RFH

Denny

2013-05-27 18:53:36 UTC

=A0> We will just see about that, won't we?
Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people
know something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE
DEMOGRAPHICS?
Isn't 5/6 elections (with a strong probability of becoming 6/7) not
enough being kicked in your teeth?
"Just move the damn party as far to the right, while I am alive, for
the few years I have left".
=A0 =A0"Apr=3DE8s moi le d=3DE9luge!!"
-Ramon
--------------------
"GOP should be =3D91Closed for repairs,=3D92 says Dole"
=A0http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/26/gop-should-be-clos
ed=

-fo

r-=3D repairs-says-dole/

"Apr=E8s moi le d=E9luge!!"

Post by Denny
Gotcha in a mistake Ramon. It was Madame Pompadour, (sp?)
the wife of Louis XV

"Popular legend holds that Louis said, "After me, the flood" ("Apr=E8s
moi, le d=E9luge"). This quotation is attributed to Madame de Pompadour,
although it is not certain that even she ever said it.[21]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XV_of_France
http://tradicionclasica.blogspot.com/2006/01/expression-aprs-moi-le-dlu
ge= -and-its.html
-RFH

Whoever said it was correct. I'll bet they had the same dread and fear of
the future that Republicans have now.

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-27 16:10:50 UTC

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
Your individual strategy (sadly becoming collective)
"Just move the damn party as far to the right,
while I am alive, for the few years I have left".
In the immortal words of Louis XV or his lover,
"Après moi le déluge!!"
So why is Sheriff Joe locking people over
immigration issues he has no jurisdiction on?

Because in some cases, with legislation being complex, he can score a
goal.

Let's see some historic analogies:

(1) It is a recorded, verifiable fact that the Confederate States of
America spent a LOT MORE EFFORT towards the cause of White Supremacy
than to get independence. 100 years after the Civil War (and arguably
today) they were still at it, led by their General/President Jim Crow.

(2) In the last year/months of WWII, the Nazis knew that their war
was most likely lost. Despite the fact that troops and resources
(gasoline, for instance, was VERY scarce) were badly needed in the
front (Battle of the Bulge and elsewhere), the highest priority was
assigned to the concentration camps. IOW: "Even if we lose, we must
kill as many Jews as possible".

In the 3 cases, hatred is a very powerful motivator.

De nada,

-Ramon

ps: Here's a bonus, up-to-date example:

GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
nature
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 17:33:18 UTC

In article

Post by Hell Stomper
We will just see about that, won't we?

Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?

Demographics don't determine opinions. Do you think humans are
automatons?

Of course you do.

If people can't think clearly, demographics might cause a default in
opinions; Only in so far as people can't think clearly.

But the default can be changed. Parameters can be altered.

What would polls matter if they couldn't be moved?

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Denny

2013-05-27 19:23:07 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Hell Stomper
We will just see about that, won't we?

Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?

Demographics don't determine opinions. Do you think humans are
automatons?
Of course you do.
If people can't think clearly, demographics might cause a default in
opinions; Only in so far as people can't think clearly.
But the default can be changed. Parameters can be altered.
What would polls matter if they couldn't be moved?

Your parameters change slowly.
Can you imagine a scenario in which the Republicans reversed the trend of
women, minorities, and the young deserting the party? Or even halting the
trend, even temporarily? Can you imagine a Republican primary candidate
being pro-choice? Would he get more than 10% in any state? How about a
candidate that called for higher taxes on the wealthy? Or more social
programs rather than less? Or marriage equality? Strict gun control? I know
these ideas horrify you, but they don't horrify the average American voter.
Where would such a candidate get financing for his campaign? If you can see
a way around this roadblock, please let us know.

NeoLibertarian

2013-05-28 00:43:47 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
What would polls matter if they couldn't be moved?

First of all, you have to understand the fundamental flaw of
democracy: the sum of zeros is still zero.

In other words, a majority of people might have all sorts of opinions
about an issue, but they may or may not be well-considered opinions: a
majority can't make an opinion valid by virtue of being a majority,
alone.

I'm not sure you could present even a single case in the long, dreary
history of mankind in which the majority was proved right about
anything. In fact I'm quite sure you can't.

The trends you listed, which you imagine are well-founded, are
occurring concurrently with an American populace that can no longer
calculate APR, much less give a coherent account of the history of the
United States. Progressive ideology pretty much counts upon your
abject ignorance, and your low self esteem.

For example, equality is no ideal, since it doesn't exist and can't
exist; nor does anyone anywhere desire it.

Rather, the goal should be equal treatment before the law, but you're
no longer capable of making even that distinction.

The trend ("progress") "of women" and "minorities" isn't what you
imagine it to be at all. These aren't party based issues, anyway. They
didn't occur because of progressives. They didn't occur because anyone
had your best interests in mind, anyway.

As for those you believe are "deserting" a political party, you may
need to examine the polling results from last November. More deserted
the Democrats than Republicans. Look it up, if you doubt.

Not that that matters the way you imagine, either.

A majority opinion can be changed, especially when that opinion is not
well-founded.

Reality and events have a way of intruding.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 00:44:34 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

> We will just see about that, won't we?
Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?

Demographics don't determine opinions. Do you think humans are
automatons?
Of course you do.
If people can't think clearly, demographics might cause a default in
opinions; Only in so far as people can't think clearly.
But the default can be changed. Parameters can be altered.
What would polls matter if they couldn't be moved?

yea, "THE CONSERVATIVES" are doing such a good job with their out
reach program. its just that their love of slavery, racism, bigotry,
homophobia, and the hatreds of women, children, the disabled, etc.
just gets in their way.

Post by Neolibertarian
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 03:44:09 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

> We will just see about that, won't we?
Do you have a secret card under your sleeve? Do you fundie people know
something that we don't? HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS?

Demographics don't determine opinions. Do you think humans are
automatons?
Of course you do.
If people can't think clearly, demographics might cause a default in
opinions; Only in so far as people can't think clearly.
But the default can be changed. Parameters can be altered.
What would polls matter if they couldn't be moved?

yea, "THE CONSERVATIVES" are doing such a good job with their out
reach program.

You mean, of course, PANDERING program.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-27 02:38:27 UTC

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

http://www.mediaite.com/online/minority-doubtreach-gop-governor-appoints-cuban-american-white-supremacist-to-campaign-post/
Minority Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White
Supremacist To Campaign Post
by Tommy Christopher | 2:52 pm, May 24th, 2013 » 102 comments

Oh, Republican governors! When they’re not losing track of the one
Latina they hired, they’re digging up a Latino white supremacist to
serve on their reelection committees. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) has
come under fire this week after the Southern Poverty Law Center
noticed that one member of her “Grassroots Steering Committee,” Roan
Garcia-Quintana, is a board member of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, which SPLC calls a “white nationalist hate group.”
MSNBC’s Rev. Al Sharpton reported on Gov. Hayley’s pal on last night’s
PoliticsNation, citing the SPLC, which, when convenient, conservatives
like to label as partisan. However, even the Anti-Defamation League
calls the CofCC a “white supremacist” organization, and reported on
Garcia-Quintana’s membership last month:
Roan Garcia-Quintana, a director of the white supremacist Council
of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), is closely tied to anti-
immigrant organizations in the United States. Garcia-Quintana is a
well-known leader in the CofCC, a group descended from the White Citi
zens Councils, which opposed desegregation of schools during the
Civil Rights era.
He is a frequent speaker at CofCC regional events and national con
ferences. The CofCC has called mixed-race marriage “the mongreliza
tion of the races” and is openly hostile to immigration. The CofCC
statement of principles says, “We therefore oppose the massive
immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United
States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European
majority in our lifetime.”
A quick perusal of the Council of Conservative Citizens’ website
yields gems like the “Black History Month Myth of the Day,”
“Miscegenation Kills,” and a “Statement of Principles” that contains
these pearls:
• We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote
non-white races over the European-American people through so-called
“affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the
European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern
people, and to force the integration of the races.
• We therefore oppose all efforts by the federal government to
dictate to the states and local governments and communities, and we
oppose federal efforts to engineer or impose behavior and beliefs on
citizens and communities.
• We also oppose all such legislation as so-called “hate crime” or
“bias crime” laws. Such laws merely penalize thought and expression
rather than genuinely criminal action and are a dangerous and
frightening step toward government Thought Control.
• We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human
society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other
powers to weaken the structure of the American family through
toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other
perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and
subversion of the authority of parents.
• We support the cultural and national heritage of the United States
and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as well as the
expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and ethnic
and regional identities of our people.
Garcia-Quintana apparently considers his own heritage to be pure
enough, but I’m not sure where that leaves Gov. Haley and her family.
So far, Haley’s campaign is standing by Garcia-Quintana. From the Post
and Courier‘s Robert Behre:
Asked about the National Jewish Democratic Council’s criticism, Haley
campaign manager Tim Pearson said it “is clearly ginned up by some
outside group.”
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn’t pay
attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist. “If I were a racist,
I don’t think I would be supporting somebody like Nikki Haley who
appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S. Senate,” he told Behre.
As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is still listed on Hayley’s
website.

Denny

2013-05-27 06:04:57 UTC

=A0 =A0 It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists
http://www.mediaite.com/online/minority-doubtreach-gop-governor-appoints-
cu= ban-american-white-supremacist-to-campaign-post/
Minority Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White
Supremacist To Campaign Post
by Tommy Christopher | 2:52 pm, May 24th, 2013 =BB 102 comments
Oh, Republican governors! When they=92re not losing track of the one
Latina they hired, they=92re digging up a Latino white supremacist to
serve on their reelection committees. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) has
come under fire this week after the Southern Poverty Law Center
noticed that one member of her =93Grassroots Steering Committee,=94 Roan
Garcia-Quintana, is a board member of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, which SPLC calls a =93white nationalist hate group.=94
MSNBC=92s Rev. Al Sharpton reported on Gov. Hayley=92s pal on last
night=92= s
PoliticsNation, citing the SPLC, which, when convenient, conservatives
like to label as partisan. However, even the Anti-Defamation League
calls the CofCC a =93white suprema=ADcist=94 organization, and reported
Roan Garcia-Quintana, a direc=ADtor of the white suprema=ADcist
Coun=ADcil of Con=ADser=ADv=ADa=ADtive Cit=ADi=ADzens (CofCC), is closely
tied to anti= -
immigrant orga=ADni=ADza=ADtions in the United States. Garcia-Quintana is
a well-known leader in the CofCC, a group descended from the White
Cit=ADi=AD zens Coun=ADcils, which opposed deseg=ADre=ADga=ADtion of
schools dur=ADing=
the
Civil Rights era.
He is a fre=ADquent speaker at CofCC regional events and national con=AD
fer=ADences. The CofCC has called mixed-race mar=ADriage =93the
mon=ADgre= =ADliza=AD
tion of the races=94 and is openly hos=ADtile to immi=ADgra=ADtion. The
Cof= CC
state=ADment of prin=ADci=ADples says, =93We there=ADfore oppose the
mas=AD= sive
immi=ADgra=ADtion of non-European and non-Western peo=ADples into the
Unite= d
States that threat=ADens to trans=ADform our nation into a non-European
major=ADity in our lifetime.=94
A quick perusal of the Council of Conservative Citizens=92 website
yields gems like the =93Black History Month Myth of the Day,=94
=93Miscegenation Kills,=94 and a =93Statement of Principles=94 that
contain= s
=95 We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind,
to promote non-white races over the European-American people through
so-called =93affirmative action=94 and similar measures, to destroy or
denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the
Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.
=95 We therefore oppose all efforts by the federal government
to dictate to the states and local governments and communities, and we
oppose federal efforts to engineer or impose behavior and beliefs on
citizens and communities.
=95 We also oppose all such legislation as so-called =93hate
crime=94 or =93bias crime=94 laws. Such laws merely penalize thought and
expression rather than genuinely criminal action and are a dangerous and
frightening step toward government Thought Control.
=95 We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of
human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and
other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through
toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other
perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and
subversion of the authority of parents.
=95 We support the cultural and national heritage of the
United States and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as
well as the expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and
ethnic and regional identities of our people.
Garcia-Quintana apparently considers his own heritage to be pure
enough, but I=92m not sure where that leaves Gov. Haley and her family.
So far, Haley=92s campaign is standing by Garcia-Quintana. From the Post
Asked about the National Jewish Democratic Council=92s criticism, Haley
campaign manager Tim Pearson said it =93is clearly ginned up by some
outside group.=94
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t pay
attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I were a
racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like Nikki Haley
who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S. Senate,=94 he told
Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is still listed on Hayley=92s
website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Bret Cahill

2013-05-27 15:36:06 UTC

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t pay
attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I were a
racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like Nikki Haley
who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S. Senate,=94 he told
Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is still listed on Hayley=92s
website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

If the GOP can't deliver on tax cuts for the rich, there's no reason
for the party.

Can anyone imagine any working class minority thinking to himself,
"I've always voted Democrat because they were nice but now that
Republicans have started moving minorities into powerful positions
I've been taking their economic positions more seriously. What
finally did it for me was Norquist 'starving the beast' with Laffer's
'increase in revenue'. That really makes sense."

Bret Cahill

Y***@Jurgis.net

2013-05-27 17:35:52 UTC

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:36:06 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill

Post by Denny
Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Can you imagine Cruz in anything other than a scumbag operation?

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 17:55:05 UTC

In article

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.

And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.

The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.

Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.

As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.

The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.

It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Denny

2013-05-27 19:30:19 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

You people have stricken many blows against the administration, and what
has it gotten you? People in general, and voters in particular laugh at
your absurd "ideas" and the result is evident. If you don't believe that,
wait until November 2014.

Hell Stomper

2013-05-27 19:47:32 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

It can't come soon enough, but I'd like time to get more evidence out
that will nail the coffin shut once and for all.

Denny

2013-05-27 20:03:18 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he
doesn=3D92=

Post by Nickname unavailable
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a
racist.=3DA0=3D93If=

Post by Nickname unavailable
were a racist, I don=3D92t think I would be supporting somebody
l=

ike

Post by Nickname unavailable
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=3D94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana
i=

Post by Nickname unavailable
still listed on Hayley=3D92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist
pig=

Post by Neolibertarian
Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and
satirist=

Post by Neolibertarian
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that
Republican=

Post by Neolibertarian
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the
simple reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get
tax cuts for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence
even the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose
message is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to
end it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

You people have stricken many blows against the administration, and
what has it gotten you? People in general, and voters in particular
laugh at your absurd "ideas" and the result is evident. If you don't
believe that, wait until November 2014.

It can't come soon enough, but I'd like time to get more evidence out
that will nail the coffin shut once and for all.

Well take your time. Maybe one day you'll come up with something that a
person (non-winger) might take seriously.

Sid9

2013-05-27 20:08:56 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

It can't come soon enough, but I'd like time to get more evidence out
that will nail the coffin shut once and for all.

We'll watch for the new political party alignment: Democrats, Republicans,
and Tea Party.
Republicans will never recover from the split

BeamMeUpScotty

2013-05-27 20:14:43 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

It was Obama's own people that blurted out the FACT that the IRS was
targeting TEA PARTY GROUPS FOR PUNISHMENT.

IT WAS OBAMA'S own Regime that told you the Benghazi killing were due to
a video and was NOT therefore any terrorism.

Then they later admitted to you that it was terrorism.

There were no "blows stricken" this is all self inflicted pain.

It was Obama's team that went after the NEWS MEDIA phone Records and say
it was warranted. Republicans didn't break any of those as NEWS STORIES.

--
*Rumination*
#78 - "What difference does that make now" -Hillary-

Denny

2013-05-27 21:26:35 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and
satirists on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them
that Republicans are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the
simple reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get
tax cuts for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence
even the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose
message is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to
end it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

You people have stricken many blows against the administration, and
what has it gotten you? People in general, and voters in particular
laugh at your absurd "ideas" and the result is evident. If you don't
believe that, wait until November 2014.

It was Obama's own people that blurted out the FACT that the IRS was
targeting TEA PARTY GROUPS FOR PUNISHMENT.
IT WAS OBAMA'S own Regime that told you the Benghazi killing were due to
a video and was NOT therefore any terrorism.
Then they later admitted to you that it was terrorism.
There were no "blows stricken" this is all self inflicted pain.
It was Obama's team that went after the NEWS MEDIA phone Records and say
it was warranted. Republicans didn't break any of those as NEWS STORIES.

As blows goes, this is not significant. I would favor getting rid of Mr.
Holder. No loss for the country or the administration. End of story.
Somethimes I try to imagine the average voter. What does he/she think about
these "scandals"? It's difficult for me to imagine a non-partisan's way of
thinking. (and seemingly impossible for a right-winger) What does he or she
think about recent events? He looks back at the past five years. The
wingers and FoxNews have consistenly lied and distorted everything
President Obama has said and done. From Kenya, Rev. Wright and Bill what's
his name the Weatherman terrorist, all through the years and up to the
present. Just guessing here. I think the Average Joes, many if not most,
look on recent events as more of the same. Whatever his level of interest,
he knows that the President is an intelligent, inspiring leader who cares
about the American people. He can look at Fox any day of the week and
easily discern the lies and distortions. He remembers the low quality of
the Republican primary candidates, and he understands the deeply flawed
nature of Gov. Romney. A child could do the same. So you guys, keep it up.
Your blows are doing more harm than good to your pathetic wretched cause.

NeoLibertarian

2013-05-28 00:03:52 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

Not blows against "the administration," silly. The Administrative
State.

These are the bureaucrats and the bureaucracy which continues on its
way, continues to grow, and continues to take away your liberty piece
by piece no matter who you vote into office. You don't know who they
are, you never voted for them, and you can't fire them. When they
write regulations, these carry the full weight of law.

For instance, you were told that the Affordable Care Act was an
unwieldy law because it comprised about 2,000 pages. Well, since the
law was passed, the bureaucracy has written about 90,000 pages of
regulations in order to implement it--and it's still not implemented
completely yet.

http://tinyurl.com/ajyo3k2

No one's struck a blow against them. Most people are convinced you
CAN'T. The Administrative State is either too infested, or too many
people are too dependent upon it.

They're not just the bureaucracy anymore, they're the Populist
Bureaucracy. Corporations are dependent upon them. Farmers are
dependent upon them. The poor are dependent upon them. Probably more
than half the country is dependent upon the populist bureaucracy in
one way or another.

No heroin addict is gonna praise you for breaking all his needles and
flushing his stash down the toilet.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Denny

2013-05-28 00:31:03 UTC

Post by NeoLibertarian

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

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doesn=3D92=

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still listed on Hayley=3D92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist
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Post by Neolibertarian
Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and
satirist=

Post by Neolibertarian
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that
Republican=

Post by Neolibertarian
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the
simple reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get
tax cuts for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence
even the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose
message is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to
end it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

You people have stricken many blows against the administration, and
what has it gotten you? People in general, and voters in particular
laugh at your absurd "ideas" and the result is evident. If you don't
believe that, wait until November 2014.

Not blows against "the administration," silly. The Administrative
State.
These are the bureaucrats and the bureaucracy which continues on its
way, continues to grow, and continues to take away your liberty piece
by piece no matter who you vote into office. You don't know who they
are, you never voted for them, and you can't fire them. When they
write regulations, these carry the full weight of law.
For instance, you were told that the Affordable Care Act was an
unwieldy law because it comprised about 2,000 pages. Well, since the
law was passed, the bureaucracy has written about 90,000 pages of
regulations in order to implement it--and it's still not implemented
completely yet.
http://tinyurl.com/ajyo3k2
No one's struck a blow against them. Most people are convinced you
CAN'T. The Administrative State is either too infested, or too many
people are too dependent upon it.
They're not just the bureaucracy anymore, they're the Populist
Bureaucracy. Corporations are dependent upon them. Farmers are
dependent upon them. The poor are dependent upon them. Probably more
than half the country is dependent upon the populist bureaucracy in
one way or another.
No heroin addict is gonna praise you for breaking all his needles and
flushing his stash down the toilet.

Thank you for informing us that there is a federal beurocracy. We knew that
already.

NeoLibertarian

2013-05-28 03:53:41 UTC

Post by NeoLibertarian
No heroin addict is gonna praise you for breaking all his needles and
flushing his stash down the toilet.

Thank you for informing us that there is a federal beurocracy. We knew that
already.

No, you evidently don't have any idea of what the federal bureaucracy
has become. Otherwise, the president wouldn't get away with grounding
the Blue Angels because of a "sequester" that doesn't reduce any money
going to any bureaucracy.

If you understood the size and scope of the populist bureaucracy,
you'd either be embarrassed, or laugh in the president's face, instead
of, as you undoubtedly are doing: cheering him on.

The Administrative State is destroying your constitution. You'll miss
the constitution when its gone.
--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Sid9

2013-05-28 01:47:43 UTC

Post by NeoLibertarian

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Nickname unavailable
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t
pay attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I
were a racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like
Nikki Haley who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S.
Senate,=94 he told Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is
still listed on Hayley=92s website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators and satirists
on their tv screens and computer monitors convince them that Republicans
are hateful, racist pigs.
And, let's not forget, that the Democrats are the party of angels.

Post by Bret Cahill
Tossing the bigots under the bus will not help the GOP for the simple
reason that bottom fishing was the only way they could get tax cuts
for the rich.

Can't get tax cuts for the Tea Party, which is why everyone was
surprised by the results last November. There's plenty of evidence even
the Obama Administration was surprised they'd won.
The IRS was effectively suppressing speech, persuasion and the vote.
Better than anyone could have dreamed.
Some in the administration are already sorry they got voted back in.
As long as Media Matters and MoveOn are taxed like charitable
organizations, while the Tea Party (with words like patriotism and
constitution in their names) is not, it's pretty obvious whose message
is getting out, and whose isn't.
The tax code is constantly used against We the People. It's time to end
it once and for all.
It's time to strike a blow against the Administrative State.

Not blows against "the administration," silly. The Administrative
State.
These are the bureaucrats and the bureaucracy which continues on its
way, continues to grow, and continues to take away your liberty piece
by piece no matter who you vote into office. You don't know who they
are, you never voted for them, and you can't fire them. When they
write regulations, these carry the full weight of law.
For instance, you were told that the Affordable Care Act was an
unwieldy law because it comprised about 2,000 pages. Well, since the
law was passed, the bureaucracy has written about 90,000 pages of
regulations in order to implement it--and it's still not implemented
completely yet.
http://tinyurl.com/ajyo3k2
No one's struck a blow against them. Most people are convinced you
CAN'T. The Administrative State is either too infested, or too many
people are too dependent upon it.
They're not just the bureaucracy anymore, they're the Populist
Bureaucracy. Corporations are dependent upon them. Farmers are
dependent upon them. The poor are dependent upon them. Probably more
than half the country is dependent upon the populist bureaucracy in
one way or another.
No heroin addict is gonna praise you for breaking all his needles and
flushing his stash down the toilet.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

.
.
.
.
You'll be in tears in 2014 as Obamacare makes a successful complete entry
into American healthcare!
Read it and weep:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

May 26, 2013

The Obamacare Shock

By PAUL KRUGMAN

The Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare, goes fully into effect at the
beginning of next year, and predictions of disaster are being heard far and
wide. There will be an administrative "train wreck," we're told; consumers
will face a terrible shock. Republicans, one hears, are already counting on
the law's troubles to give them a big electoral advantage.

No doubt there will be problems, as there are with any large new government
initiative, and in this case, we have the added complication that many
Republican governors and legislators are doing all they can to sabotage
reform. Yet important new evidence - especially from California, the law's
most important test case - suggests that the real Obamacare shock will be
one of unexpected success.

Before I can explain what the news means, I need to make a crucial point:
Obamacare is a deeply conservative reform, not in a political sense
(although it was originally a Republican proposal) but in terms of leaving
most people's health care unaffected. Americans who receive health insurance
from their employers, Medicare or Medicaid - which is to say, the vast
majority of those who have any kind of health insurance at all - will see
almost no changes when the law goes into effect.

There are, however, millions of Americans who don't receive insurance either
from their employers or from government programs. They can get insurance
only by buying it on their own, and many of them are effectively shut out of
that market. In some states, like California, insurers reject applicants
with past medical problems. In others, like New York, insurers can't reject
applicants, and must offer similar coverage regardless of personal medical
history ("community rating"); unfortunately, this leads to a situation in
which premiums are very high because only those with current health problems
sign up, while healthy people take the risk of going uninsured.

Obamacare closes this gap with a three-part approach. First, community
rating everywhere - no more exclusion based on pre-existing conditions.
Second, the "mandate" - you must buy insurance even if you're currently
healthy. Third, subsidies to make insurance affordable for those with lower
incomes.

Massachusetts has had essentially this system since 2006; as a result,
nearly all residents have health insurance, and the program remains very
popular. So we know that Obamacare - or, as some of us call it,
ObamaRomneyCare - can work.

Skeptics argued, however, that Massachusetts was special: it had relatively
few uninsured residents even before the reform, and it already had community
rating. What would happen elsewhere? In particular, what would happen in
California, where more than a fifth of the nonelderly population is
uninsured, and the individual insurance market is largely unregulated? Would
there be "sticker shock" as the price of individual policies soared?

Well, the California bids are in - that is, insurers have submitted the
prices at which they are willing to offer coverage on the state's newly
created Obamacare exchange. And the prices, it turns out, are surprisingly
low. A handful of healthy people may find themselves paying more for
coverage, but it looks as if Obamacare's first year in California is going
to be an overwhelmingly positive experience.

What can still go wrong? Well, Obamacare is a complicated program, basically
because simpler options, like Medicare for all, weren't considered
politically feasible. So there will probably be a lot of administrative
confusion as the law goes into effect, again especially in states where
Republicans have been doing their best to sabotage the process.

Also, some people are too poor to afford coverage even with the subsidies.
These Americans were supposed to be covered by a federally financed
expansion of Medicaid, but in states where Republicans have blocked Medicaid
expansion, such unfortunates will be left out in the cold.

Still, here's what it seems is about to happen: millions of Americans will
suddenly gain health coverage, and millions more will feel much more secure
knowing that such coverage is available if they lose their jobs or suffer
other misfortunes. Only a relative handful of people will be hurt at all.
And as contrasts emerge between the experience of states like California
that are making the most of the new policy and that of states like Texas
whose politicians are doing their best to undermine it, the sheer
meanspiritedness of the Obamacare opponents will become ever more obvious.

So yes, it does look as if there's an Obamacare shock coming: the shock of
learning that a public program designed to help a lot of people can, strange
to say, end up helping a lot of people - especially when government
officials actually try to make it work.

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-27 21:51:19 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators
and satirists on their tv screens and computer monitors
convince them that Republicans are hateful, racist pigs.

Are you trying to persuade me that I don't know which party is at the
other end of the shotgun being pointed at me!!??

Do you even realize how INSULTING and OFFENSIVE that is?????

If you want to know the reason we vote Democrat, just read your posts,
look in a FRIGGIN' MIRROR.

-Ramon

------------------------------

There are TWO kinds of Conservatives:

• One group is busy spreading hatred

• The other group is busy denying that the first group exists

Don't believe me? Check by yourself: Just scroll up & down. Go to ANY
Internet forum.

[ • The 3rd. group is Colin Powell, Jeb Bush, Meghan McCain and
Lindsay Graham. Wow! Four!]

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 23:31:42 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators
and satirists on their tv screens and computer monitors
convince them that Republicans are hateful, racist pigs.

Are you trying to persuade me that I don't know which party is at the
other end of the shotgun being pointed at me!!??

Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.

Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course. But
they're sorry about that part of their past these days. They've found a
much more satisfactory way of keeping you on their plantation.

But even at their worst, they never had any power you didn't give them.

These days the parties aren't don't really differ from each other, in
that they can't affect any changes, even when they're in power.

The Administrative State is not moved, nor changed by your silly
elections.

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
Do you even realize how INSULTING and OFFENSIVE that is?????

Yes, I have a clear understanding: Nothing I wrote is insulting nor
offensive to you nor anyone else in the slightest.

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
If you want to know the reason we vote Democrat, just read your posts,
look in a FRIGGIN' MIRROR.

I want only the best for you, friend. None of my posts ever offended
you; if you were, in fact, offended it's entirely due to the baggage you
brought with you; not due to anything I put there.

You may be offended by those who offer you liberty, self determination
and a chance to be responsible for yourself and your family.

After all, it's frightening to be free to make your own way; to be
responsible for your own actions.

You may not believe in you, but I do.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-28 00:03:49 UTC

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
Are you trying to persuade me that I don't know which party
is at the other end of the shotgun being pointed at me!!??

Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.

So, you are now calling me, Collin Powell, Jeb Bush and many others
(3/4 of US Jews, for starters) a bunch of locos?

Are you even vaguely aware of how offensive and insulting that is?

You do not believe the VOTERS THEMSELVES, but are ready to embrace a
conspiracy by the MSM.

-Ramon

---------------------

Which is the party where hatred is most concentrated and distilled?

The only ones qualified to make a statement are the victims of
prejudice, persecution and racism themselves. Let's ask them, shall
we?

Here's their response (2008):

- Black folks voted for Obama, by a 96% margin.
- Jewish folks voted for Obama, by a 75% margin.
- Hispanic folks voted for Obama, by a 66% margin.
- Asian folks voted for Obama, by a 63% margin.
- Gay folks voted for Obama, by an unknown margin.

ps: Oh, I almost forgot the largest minority of all:

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ps: The 2012 electoral percentages are even better.

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-28 00:10:39 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
Yes, I have a clear understanding: Nothing I wrote is insulting nor
offensive to you nor anyone else in the slightest.

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
If you want to know the reason we vote Democrat, just read your posts,
look in a FRIGGIN' MIRROR.

I want only the best for you, friend.

Okay, I had in my mental notes some nasty comment from you about the
indocumentados or Latinos... I may be mistaken and instead of checking
the archives, I am willing to forget and forgive YOU as an individual.
Please replace "YOU" with "YOU PEOPLE" (meaning the winger-baggers in
general).

As far as forgiving the crowd you hang out with, the company you keep:
never, nunca:

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-Ramon

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-28 00:20:17 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course.

I'll agree with this: It is a well known fact that Democrats and
Republicans switched sides on racism during the 60s.

I dare you to tell me that the real racists are the Democrats, TODAY.

If that is the case:

- Do blacks know that?
- Do Jews?
- Do Latinos?
- Do women?
- Do gays?

I dare you to repeat that we are easily manipulable and brainwashed.
You are a few words away from offending millions of DECIDING voters,
BTW.

-Ramon

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 02:03:37 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course.

I'll agree with this: It is a well known fact that Democrats and
Republicans switched sides on racism during the 60s.

This isn't exactly true. There were a couple of instances, and that's
about it. Switching parties isn't very easy to do, AT ALL.

Byrd didn't bother. Zell Miller waited until he retired. Thurmond
switched before the party imploded under Johnson's elected term.

That wasn't racism, of course. Wallace knew he wasn't welcome in the
Republican Party. Hell, Dr. King was a registered Republican, after all.

Vietnam is what destroyed the Southern Democrats. It had been their war.

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
I dare you to tell me that the real racists are the Democrats, TODAY.
- Do blacks know that?
- Do Jews?
- Do Latinos?
- Do women?
- Do gays?

What does the truth have to do with who knows it?

The truth isn't Schoedinger's Cat, is it?

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
I dare you to repeat that we are easily manipulable and brainwashed.
You are a few words away from offending millions of DECIDING voters,
BTW.

If thine own eye offend thee...

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-28 00:24:08 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course.
But they're sorry about that part of their past these days.

Democrats acknowledge their racist P-A-S-T (which was actually
BIPARTISAN).

Republicans refuse to acknowledge their racist P-R-E-S-E-N-T.

-Ramon

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 01:53:46 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course.
But they're sorry about that part of their past these days.

Democrats acknowledge their racist P-A-S-T (which was actually
BIPARTISAN).
Republicans refuse to acknowledge their racist P-R-E-S-E-N-T.

Point me to the Bull Connor or Robert Byrd of the Republicans.

Forget the vague, baseless suspicions: you must prove your confused
accusations of racism with verified and witnessed actions; hard data.

Otherwise, why should any of us take you seriously?

Easy enough to do with Byrd or Connor. Should be easy enough to do with
your unnamed Republicans.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-28 00:29:43 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course.
But they're sorry about that part of their past these days.
They've found a much more satisfactory way of keeping you
on their plantation.

I dare you to repeat that I am kept on a plantation.

-Ramon F Herrera, Internet Pioneer and Co-Founder, while at MIT,
Entrepreneur, Business Owner.
Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce

(*) Gracias, Al!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Gore_and_information_technology

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 01:48:59 UTC

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I dare you to repeat that I am kept on a plantation.
-Ramon F Herrera, Internet Pioneer and Co-Founder, while at MIT,
Entrepreneur, Business Owner.
Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce

Your personal circumstances couldn't be more irrelevant to this
discussion.

Why did you feel compelled to include them here?

Do you think business owners aren't on the plantation too?

PS: I've been at Usenet long enough to ignore personal achievement
claims, anyway.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 01:28:01 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

> Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators
> and satirists on their tv screens and computer monitors
> convince them that Republicans are hateful, racist pigs.
Are you trying to persuade me that I don't know which party is at the
other end of the shotgun being pointed at me!!??

Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course. But
they're sorry about that part of their past these days. They've found a
much more satisfactory way of keeping you on their plantation.
But even at their worst, they never had any power you didn't give them.
These days the parties aren't don't really differ from each other, in
that they can't affect any changes, even when they're in power.
The Administrative State is not moved, nor changed by your silly
elections.

Do you even realize how INSULTING and OFFENSIVE that is?????

Yes, I have a clear understanding: Nothing I wrote is insulting nor
offensive to you nor anyone else in the slightest.

If you want to know the reason we vote Democrat, just read your posts,
look in a FRIGGIN' MIRROR.

I want only the best for you, friend. None of my posts ever offended
you; if you were, in fact, offended it's entirely due to the baggage you
brought with you; not due to anything I put there.
You may be offended by those who offer you liberty, self determination
and a chance to be responsible for yourself and your family.
After all, it's frightening to be free to make your own way; to be
responsible for your own actions.
You may not believe in you, but I do.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

"CONSERVATIVES"(extremists) drive latinos out of the gop: hey hows
that reach out thingy doin fer ya:) RNC Director Of Hispanic Outreach
Quits Party And Registers As A Democrat, cites extremism

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/14/2006251/rnc-director-of-hispanic-outreach-quits-party-and-registers-as-a-democrat/

RNC Director Of Hispanic Outreach Quits Party And Registers As A
Democrat
By Adam Peck on May 14, 2013 at 9:00 am

Former RNC Florida Hispanic Outreach Director Pablo Pantoja. Credit:
Tampa Bay Times
When Republicans appointed Pablo Pantoja to State Director of Florida
Hispanic Outreach for the Republican National Committee, they hoped he
would be able to bridge the sizable gap that only expanded during the
2012 elections, when the state’s 4.3 million Hispanic voters supported
Barack Obama over Mitt Romney by a 20 percent margin.
But after months of inaction by Congressional Republicans on
comprehensive immigration reform and stiff resistance by Republican-
leaning groups like the Heritage Foundation, Pantoja has had enough;
on Monday, he announced via email that he was leaving the party and
registering as a Democrat:
Friend,
Yes, I have changed my political affiliation to the Democratic Party.
It doesn’t take much to see the culture of intolerance surrounding the
Republican Party today. I have wondered before about the seemingly
harsh undertones about immigrants and others. Look no further; a well-
known organization recently confirms the intolerance of that which
seems different or strange to them.
Pantoja goes on to specifically cite last week’s revelation — that an
author of Heritage’s false report on the cost of the Gang of Eight’s
immigration bill wrote a dissertation in which he suggested that
Hispanics are at a permanent disadvantage because they have lower IQs
— as the final straw in his political evolution.
Prior to assuming the role of state director, Pantoja served in the
National Guard, doing multiple tours abroad in Kuwait and Iraq before
returning to the states and getting involved in Republican politics.
In 2010 he served as a field director in Florida during the midterm
elections.
Republicans have for months tried to find ways to make inroads with
the country’s growing hispanic population, especially in the swing
state of Florida. Hispanics there turned out to vote at a rate of more
than 62 percent in 2012, significantly higher than the national
turnout rate of 48 percent and the highest rate of Hispanic turnout in
the country.

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 03:42:44 UTC

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Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course. But
they're sorry about that part of their past these days. They've found a
much more satisfactory way of keeping you on their plantation.
But even at their worst, they never had any power you didn't give them.
These days the parties aren't don't really differ from each other, in
that they can't affect any changes, even when they're in power.
The Administrative State is not moved, nor changed by your silly
elections.

Do you even realize how INSULTING and OFFENSIVE that is?????

Yes, I have a clear understanding: Nothing I wrote is insulting nor
offensive to you nor anyone else in the slightest.

If you want to know the reason we vote Democrat, just read your posts,
look in a FRIGGIN' MIRROR.

I want only the best for you, friend. None of my posts ever offended
you; if you were, in fact, offended it's entirely due to the baggage you
brought with you; not due to anything I put there.
You may be offended by those who offer you liberty, self determination
and a chance to be responsible for yourself and your family.
After all, it's frightening to be free to make your own way; to be
responsible for your own actions.
You may not believe in you, but I do.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

"CONSERVATIVES"(extremists) drive latinos out of the gop: hey hows
that reach out thingy doin fer ya:) RNC Director Of Hispanic Outreach
Quits Party And Registers As A Democrat, cites extremism

Did you know that if Romney had carried over 80% of the "hispanic" vote
last November, he still would have lost the election?

It's not the hispanics.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Y***@Jurgis.net

2013-05-28 04:24:22 UTC

On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:31:42 -0500, Neolibertarian

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Neolibertarian
Minorities vote Democrat because journalists, commentators
and satirists on their tv screens and computer monitors
convince them that Republicans are hateful, racist pigs.

Are you trying to persuade me that I don't know which party is at the
other end of the shotgun being pointed at me!!??

Neither party ever pointed a shotgun at you, goofy.

Um--no, that wouldn't be correct. The massive push to have more and
more guns is a conservative "value" and conservatives control the GOP

Post by Neolibertarian
Well, except for the Democrats back before the 60s, of course. But
they're sorry about that part of their past these days. They've found a
much more satisfactory way of keeping you on their plantation.

THen again, anyone having to substitute "party label" for the driving
"ideology" that provides the foundation is desperate to not have to
deal with reality/truth

Fact is, loonytarians and Conservatives have led us down too many
historical paths to disasters. It's ALWAYS taken liberal/progressives
to heal us up.

Post by Neolibertarian
But even at their worst, they never had any power you didn't give them.

When Conservatives hold power--we go down hill, All America suffers,
except the wealthy. The record clearly shows that under
progressive/liberals ALL get better treatment.

Post by Neolibertarian
These days the parties aren't don't really differ from each other, in
that they can't affect any changes, even when they're in power.

Nonsense. That's a dishonest, self-serving, childish appraisal.
History and the public record are against you, and if nothing else,
common sense.

Any given billionare who uses his money and power willingly to help
the national interest of as many as possible, is light years different
from someone like Scaife, the Kochs, Rumney, et al whose entire goal
is SELF aggrandizement and money for themselves.

Post by Neolibertarian
The Administrative State is not moved, nor changed by your silly
elections.

Without a PROPER run "state", we have what conservatives have done to
us since the 80's. Lower wages, loss of personal wealth, demise of a
middle class, massve job losses, a horrendous pouring of money into
fewer and fewer hands, attacks on women, children, workers and the
elderly, tens of millions losing HC (now almost unafordable)....and
worse the dumb-ass "less government" bullshit that nearly ruined us 80
years ago

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
Do you even realize how INSULTING and OFFENSIVE that is?????

Yes, I have a clear understanding: Nothing I wrote is insulting nor
offensive to you nor anyone else in the slightest.

Not in that sense, but to believe and support a loony crappola
ideology you do---(you name), that's an insult to thinking people

Post by Neolibertarian
After all, it's frightening to be free to make your own way; to be
responsible for your own actions.

That's so fucking loony it's almost pathetic

A "loonytarian" world means nothing more that a belief that your
ability can out-maneuver somone sitting on billions of wealth---and
you actually believing you have a means of doing anything you choose

It's a LONG dead, Long discredited, and patently phoney set of beliefs
that a cursory reading of American history should have told you how
bad it ended up being.

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 00:48:34 UTC

On May 27, 12:55 pm, Neolibertarian <***@gmail.com> wrote:

this is almost a daily occurrence. its not something rare.

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

http://www.mediaite.com/online/minority-doubtreach-gop-governor-appoints-cuban-american-white-supremacist-to-campaign-post/
Minority Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White
Supremacist To Campaign Post
by Tommy Christopher | 2:52 pm, May 24th, 2013 » 102 comments

Oh, Republican governors! When they’re not losing track of the one
Latina they hired, they’re digging up a Latino white supremacist to
serve on their reelection committees. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) has
come under fire this week after the Southern Poverty Law Center
noticed that one member of her “Grassroots Steering Committee,” Roan
Garcia-Quintana, is a board member of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, which SPLC calls a “white nationalist hate group.”
MSNBC’s Rev. Al Sharpton reported on Gov. Hayley’s pal on last night’s
PoliticsNation, citing the SPLC, which, when convenient, conservatives
like to label as partisan. However, even the Anti-Defamation League
calls the CofCC a “white supremacist” organization, and reported on
Garcia-Quintana’s membership last month:
Roan Garcia-Quintana, a director of the white supremacist Council
of Conservative Citizens (CofCC), is closely tied to anti-
immigrant organizations in the United States. Garcia-Quintana is a
well-known leader in the CofCC, a group descended from the White Citi
zens Councils, which opposed desegregation of schools during the
Civil Rights era.
He is a frequent speaker at CofCC regional events and national con
ferences. The CofCC has called mixed-race marriage “the mongreliza
tion of the races” and is openly hostile to immigration. The CofCC
statement of principles says, “We therefore oppose the massive
immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United
States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European
majority in our lifetime.”
A quick perusal of the Council of Conservative Citizens’ website
yields gems like the “Black History Month Myth of the Day,”
“Miscegenation Kills,” and a “Statement of Principles” that contains
these pearls:
• We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote
non-white races over the European-American people through so-called
“affirmative action” and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the
European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern
people, and to force the integration of the races.
• We therefore oppose all efforts by the federal government to
dictate to the states and local governments and communities, and we
oppose federal efforts to engineer or impose behavior and beliefs on
citizens and communities.
• We also oppose all such legislation as so-called “hate crime” or
“bias crime” laws. Such laws merely penalize thought and expression
rather than genuinely criminal action and are a dangerous and
frightening step toward government Thought Control.
• We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of human
society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and other
powers to weaken the structure of the American family through
toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other
perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and
subversion of the authority of parents.
• We support the cultural and national heritage of the United States
and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as well as the
expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and ethnic
and regional identities of our people.
Garcia-Quintana apparently considers his own heritage to be pure
enough, but I’m not sure where that leaves Gov. Haley and her family.
So far, Haley’s campaign is standing by Garcia-Quintana. From the Post
and Courier‘s Robert Behre:
Asked about the National Jewish Democratic Council’s criticism, Haley
campaign manager Tim Pearson said it “is clearly ginned up by some
outside group.”
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn’t pay
attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist. “If I were a racist,
I don’t think I would be supporting somebody like Nikki Haley who
appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S. Senate,” he told Behre.
As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is still listed on Hayley’s
website.

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:16:25 UTC

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Post by Nickname unavailable
this is almost a daily occurrence. its not something rare.

No we don't. When you give a free ride to people they're more than apt
to vote for you.

Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 05:43:59 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

this is almost a daily occurrence. its not something rare.

No we don't. When you give a free ride to people they're more than apt
to vote for you.
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

here jefferson as paine is laying out the foundations of the social
welfare state.

http://www.per-fidem.org/mobile/bookshelf/tjwealth.html

Thomas Jefferson Letter to Rev. James Madison
Fontainebleau, October 28, 1785
The entire letter is included here, though the important part is the
first three paragraphs, especially the third in which Jefferson
discusses the inequality of wealth present in France just before the
French Revolution (1789). In this letter to Bishop Madison (not the
statesman, but his cousin), Jefferson argues that an inequal
distribution of wealth, such as what can be seen in France, is a
violation of the natural right to property and the related right to
labor. Jefferson advocates a graduated tax as one solution to this
problem.
DEAR SIR,
-- Seven o’clock, and retired to my fireside, I have determined to
enter into conversation with you. This is a village of about 15,000
inhabitants when the court is not here, and 20,000 when they are,
occupying a valley through which runs a brook and on each side of it a
ridge of small mountains, most of which are naked rock. The King comes
here, in the fall always, to hunt. His court attend him, as do also
the foreign diplomatic corps; but as this is not indispensably
required and my finances do not admit the expense of a continued
residence here, I propose to come occasionally to attend the King’s
levees, returning again to Paris, distant forty miles. This being the
first trip, I set out yesterday morning to take a view of the place.
For this purpose I shaped my course towards the highest of the
mountains in sight, to the top of which was about a league.
As soon as I had got clear of the town I fell in with a poor woman
walking at the same rate with myself and going the same course.
Wishing to know the condition of the laboring poor I entered into
conversation with her, which I began by enquiries for the path which
would lead me into the mountain: and thence proceeded to enquiries
into her vocation, condition and circumstances. She told me she was a
day laborer at 8 sous or 4d. sterling the day: that she had two
children to maintain, and to pay a rent of 30 livres for her house
(which would consume the hire of 75 days), that often she could no
employment and of course was without bread. As we had walked together
near a mile and she had so far served me as a guide, I gave her, on
parting, 24 sous. She burst into tears of a gratitude which I could
perceive was unfeigned because she was unable to utter a word. She had
probably never before received so great an aid. This little
attendrissement, with the solitude of my walk, led me into a train of
reflections on that unequal division of property which occasions the
numberless instances of wretchedness which I had observed in this
country and is to be observed all over Europe.
The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few
hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year
downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of
them having as many as 200 domestics, not laboring. They employ also a
great number of manufacturers and tradesmen, and lastly the class of
laboring husbandmen. But after all there comes the most numerous of
all classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. I asked myself
what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are
willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable
proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for
the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the
enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention
to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be
labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is
impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality
producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot
invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to
let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of
the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all
the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations
in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another
means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt
all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher
portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever
there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is
clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to
violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to
labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to
be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided
to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not, the
fundamental right to labor the earth returns to the unemployed. It is
too soon yet in our country to say that every man who cannot find
employment, but who can find uncultivated land, shall be at liberty to
cultivate it, paying a moderate rent. But it is not too soon to
provide by every possible means that as few as possible shall be
without a little portion of land. The small landholders are the most
precious part of a state.
The next object which struck my attention in my walk was the deer with
which the wood abounded. They were of the kind called "Cerfs," and not
exactly of the same species with ours. They are blackish indeed under
the belly, and not white as ours, and they are more of the chestnut
red; but these are such small differences as would be sure to happen
in two races from the same stock breeding separately a number of ages.
Their hares are totally different from the animals we call by that
name; but their rabbit is almost exactly like him. The only difference
is in their manners; the land on which I walked for some time being
absolutely reduced to a honeycomb by their burrowing. I think there is
no instance of ours burrowing. After descending the hill again I saw a
man cutting fern. I went to him under pretence of asking the shortest
road to town, and afterwards asked for what use he was cutting fern.
He told me that this part of the country furnished a great deal of
fruit to Paris. That when packed in straw it acquired an ill taste,
but that dry fern preserved it perfectly without communicating any
taste at all.
I treasured this observation for the preservation of my apples on my
return to my own country. They have no apples here to compare with our
Redtown pippin. They have nothing which deserves the name of a peach;
there being not sun enough to ripen the plum-peach and the best of
their soft peaches being like our autumn peaches. Their cherries and
strawberries are fair, but I think lack flavor. Their plums I think
are better; so also their gooseberries, and the pears infinitely
beyond anything we possess. They have nothing better than our sweet-
water; but they have a succession of as good from early in the summer
till frost. I am to-morrow to get [to] M. Malsherbes (an uncle of the
Chevalier Luzerne’s) about seven leagues from hence, who is the most
curious man in France as to his trees. He is making for me a
collection of the vines from which the Burgundy, Champagne, Bordeaux,
Frontignac, and other of the most valuable wines of this country are
made. Another gentleman is collecting for me the best eating grapes,
including what we call the raisin. I propose also to endeavor to
colonize their hare, rabbit, red and grey partridge, pheasants of
different kinds, and some other birds. But I find that I am wandering
beyond the limits of my walk and will therefore bid you adieu.
Yours affectionately.

Ramon F. Herrera

2013-05-27 22:07:44 UTC

Post by Denny
Minorities vote Democrat because
Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Close, but no cigar.

We vote Democrat because all the hateful racist pigs are
Conservatives, and per the Instinct of Survival, the following
consideration trumps everything else:

WHY, OH WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT HATES ME?

On a positive note, the GOP is the MOST tolerant of parties, why, they
are the only one who tolerates intolerance.

-Ramon

BeamMeUpScotty

2013-05-27 22:48:24 UTC

Post by Denny
Minorities vote Democrat because
Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Close, but no cigar.
We vote Democrat because all the hateful racist pigs are
Conservatives, and per the Instinct of Survival, the following
WHY, OH WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT HATES ME?

Because the other party is so stupid they'll get you killed?

BeamMeUpScotty

2013-05-27 23:22:57 UTC

Post by Denny
Minorities vote Democrat because
Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

Close, but no cigar.
We vote Democrat because all the hateful racist pigs are
Conservatives, and per the Instinct of Survival, the following
WHY, OH WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT HATES ME?

Because the other party is so stupid they'll get you killed?

Bush will water-board you.... but Obama will drone you to death.

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 00:41:48 UTC

=A0 =A0 It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists
http://www.mediaite.com/online/minority-doubtreach-gop-governor-appoi...
cu= ban-american-white-supremacist-to-campaign-post/
Minority Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White
Supremacist To Campaign Post
by Tommy Christopher | 2:52 pm, May 24th, 2013 =BB 102 comments
Oh, Republican governors! When they=92re not losing track of the one
Latina they hired, they=92re digging up a Latino white supremacist to
serve on their reelection committees. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC) has
come under fire this week after the Southern Poverty Law Center
noticed that one member of her =93Grassroots Steering Committee,=94 Roan
Garcia-Quintana, is a board member of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, which SPLC calls a =93white nationalist hate group.=94
MSNBC=92s Rev. Al Sharpton reported on Gov. Hayley=92s pal on last
night=92= s
PoliticsNation, citing the SPLC, which, when convenient, conservatives
like to label as partisan. However, even the Anti-Defamation League
calls the CofCC a =93white suprema=ADcist=94 organization, and reported
Roan Garcia-Quintana, a direc=ADtor of the white suprema=ADcist
Coun=ADcil of Con=ADser=ADv=ADa=ADtive Cit=ADi=ADzens (CofCC), is closely
tied to anti= -
immigrant orga=ADni=ADza=ADtions in the United States. Garcia-Quintana is
a well-known leader in the CofCC, a group descended from the White
Cit=ADi=AD zens Coun=ADcils, which opposed deseg=ADre=ADga=ADtion of
schools dur=ADing=
the
Civil Rights era.
He is a fre=ADquent speaker at CofCC regional events and national con=AD
fer=ADences. The CofCC has called mixed-race mar=ADriage =93the
mon=ADgre= =ADliza=AD
tion of the races=94 and is openly hos=ADtile to immi=ADgra=ADtion. The
Cof= CC
state=ADment of prin=ADci=ADples says, =93We there=ADfore oppose the
mas=AD= sive
immi=ADgra=ADtion of non-European and non-Western peo=ADples into the
Unite= d
States that threat=ADens to trans=ADform our nation into a non-European
major=ADity in our lifetime.=94
A quick perusal of the Council of Conservative Citizens=92 website
yields gems like the =93Black History Month Myth of the Day,=94
=93Miscegenation Kills,=94 and a =93Statement of Principles=94 that
contain= s
=95 We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind,
to promote non-white races over the European-American people through
so-called =93affirmative action=94 and similar measures, to destroy or
denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the
Southern people, and to force the integration of the races.
=95 We therefore oppose all efforts by the federal government
to dictate to the states and local governments and communities, and we
oppose federal efforts to engineer or impose behavior and beliefs on
citizens and communities.
=95 We also oppose all such legislation as so-called =93hate
crime=94 or =93bias crime=94 laws. Such laws merely penalize thought and
expression rather than genuinely criminal action and are a dangerous and
frightening step toward government Thought Control.
=95 We believe in the traditional family as the basic unit of
human society and morality, and we oppose all efforts by the state and
other powers to weaken the structure of the American family through
toleration of sexual licentiousness, homosexuality and other
perversions, mixture of the races, pornography in all forms, and
subversion of the authority of parents.
=95 We support the cultural and national heritage of the
United States and the race and civilization of which it is a part, as
well as the expression and celebration of the legitimate subcultures and
ethnic and regional identities of our people.
Garcia-Quintana apparently considers his own heritage to be pure
enough, but I=92m not sure where that leaves Gov. Haley and her family.
So far, Haley=92s campaign is standing by Garcia-Quintana. From the Post
Asked about the National Jewish Democratic Council=92s criticism, Haley
campaign manager Tim Pearson said it =93is clearly ginned up by some
outside group.=94
Garcia-Quintana also told the Post and Courier that he doesn=92t pay
attention to the SPLC, and denied he is a racist.=A0=93If I were a
racist, I don=92t think I would be supporting somebody like Nikki Haley
who appointed a black man (Tim Scott) to the U.S. Senate,=94 he told
Behre. As of this writing, Garcia-Quintana is still listed on Hayley=92s
website.

Minorities vote Democrat because Republicans are hateful racist pigs.

true.

the real reason why "CONSERVATIVES" hate minorities, is because many
"CONSERVATIVES" find minority women hot, like good old GOP
"CONSERVATIVE" strom thurmond, he found one so hot, that he became a
daddy. they simply cannot control themselves. they have no self
control, so they try to drive minorities as far away as possible.
this goes for the gay thing also, most "CONSERVATIVES" are self
loathing homosexuals, and the reason why they fear gay marriage, is
because if it becomes legal and normal, they may leave their wives,
for the hot piece of male ass they see at the airport, you know, like
GOP "CONSERVATIVE" larry craig from idaho.

"If you can convince the lowest white man that he's better than the
best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell,
give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for
you."
LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 1960, remark to Bill Moyers,   "What a Real
President Was Like,"   Washington Post, 13 November 1988

what does "CONSERVATISM" have to offer, forced births, daily cavity
searches, daily ultra sounds, rape, and that is just aimed at women,
whats aimed at minorities, the youth, and workers, is on par with
whats offered to women.

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:17:33 UTC

In article

the real reason why "CONSERVATIVES" hate minorities . . .

. . . is a lie made up by leftards such as yourself.

snicker

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 05:44:50 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

the real reason why "CONSERVATIVES" hate minorities . . .

. . . is a lie made up by leftards such as yourself.
snicker

Post by Neolibertarian
. . . .and Most Likely, Wasn't Even
Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb Several
East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian Advance...

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 18:04:46 UTC

In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

And yet it's the progressives and liberals who reaffirm constantly that
brown people couldn't survive in this society without the extensive
assistance of white liberals.

Only brown people need exemptions. Only brown people need help to
compete. Only brown people need free food, free housing, free living
assistance, and quotas.

Whose are the racists? Those who think brown people aren't our equals,
of course.

The progressives.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

BeamMeUpScotty

2013-05-27 19:37:10 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Sid9

2013-05-27 20:06:42 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University
Mr. Beam can reverse the meaning of anything he doesn't like!

BeamMeUpScotty

2013-05-27 20:31:22 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University
Mr. Beam can reverse the meaning of anything he doesn't like!

That would make me the smartest man on the planet.

In reality I'm very average, and I simply point out and un-twist the
meaning that Liberal-Socialist types use in their propaganda.

Things in that mirror may appear much smarter than they actually are.

--
*Rumination*
#6 - Society is a virtual world that we create.

Y***@Jurgis.net

2013-05-27 21:55:09 UTC

On Mon, 27 May 2013 16:31:22 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty
In reality I'm very average, and I simply point out and un-twist the
meaning that Liberal-Socialist types use in their propaganda.

I believe the only thing you "twist" is that little dick, ScottLoon

Nothing you write qualifies as truth

Joe Cooper

2013-05-27 22:11:40 UTC

Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
I believe the only thing you "twist" is that little dick, ScottLoon
Nothing you write qualifies as truth

More routine bullying from a proggie and chronic liar.

--
Enjoy Internet Privacy And Anonymity: http://hidemyass.com/vpn/r6995:5/

Mr. Obama, much too pure and innocent to be told about mistakes in his
administration, was too busy bathing the feet of the poor and tending
to lepers to be told that his administration was engaged in an
Orwellian attack on free speech. (Ben Stein)

Harold Burton

2013-05-27 22:21:07 UTC

I believe the only thing you "twist" is that little dick . . .

What is it with leftards like Yoorghis and their fixations with other
men's dicks?

laugh . . . laugh . . . laugh

Harold Burton

2013-05-27 22:22:59 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University

Don't be so hard on nickname unavailable.

Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

Sid9

2013-05-27 23:29:06 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University

Don't be so hard on nickname unavailable.
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

You mean Mr. Beam, of course

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:12:29 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University

Don't be so hard on nickname unavailable.
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

You mean Mr. Beam, of course

Nope.

snicker

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 01:25:00 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

Ahhh...another graduate of Twister University

Don't be so hard on nickname unavailable.
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

Post by Harold Burton
. . . .and Most Likely, Wasn't Even
Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb Several
East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian Advance...

Y***@Jurgis.net

2013-05-27 21:28:17 UTC

On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:37:10 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty

Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That makes no fucking sense----at all

"Liberalism" is why this nation was founded, why it survived in mid
19th century, and why, after 1860, slowly shed the failed loonytarian
crap that had been ruining it, and turned it into the greatest, most
productive govt in the world.....by defeating Conservatism at every
turn

We've been in a downward spiral since the 60's because of the periodic
control of govt by conservatives----leading up to the massive jobs
lost, the HB costs and losses, the wars, the national debt and the
bullshit "less govt" crap that's funneled 80% of all wealth to a few.

IDIOT

Neolibertarian

2013-05-27 23:43:32 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

Post by Ramon F. Herrera
It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

In America, certainly.

There are no class divisions/barriers in America. But there was one
once. And that barrier was race. The marxists hammered on this one
weakness throughout the 1950s and 1960s. They succeeded in preventing
black culture from advancing into the mainstream, even as it advanced
towards the mainstream.

The claims that that class barrier still exists are pretty thin these
days. Anorexic, actually. The president, who wants as much as his
affluent white liberal associates to keep those barriers alive in
everyone's minds, belies those efforts by virtue of his own genetics.

Racism is a phantom these days. It's something that supposedly exists,
but no one can actually point to actual evidence.

Believing in racism is not unlike believing in ghosts.

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 01:29:15 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

In America, certainly.
There are no class divisions/barriers in America. But there was one
once. And that barrier was race. The marxists hammered on this one
weakness throughout the 1950s and 1960s. They succeeded in preventing
black culture from advancing into the mainstream, even as it advanced
towards the mainstream.
The claims that that class barrier still exists are pretty thin these
days. Anorexic, actually. The president, who wants as much as his
affluent white liberal associates to keep those barriers alive in
everyone's minds, belies those efforts by virtue of his own genetics.
Racism is a phantom these days. It's something that supposedly exists,
but no one can actually point to actual evidence.
Believing in racism is not unlike believing in ghosts.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

the "CONSERVATIVE" heritage foundation: Children of undocumented
immigrants should be allowed to starve, Gay people and sexually active
unmarried women should be banned from teaching, The Voting Rights Act
is a “racial entitlement, Todd Akin can save America from an “economic
abyss.”, Poor people aren’t really poor if they own refrigerators,
Accused terrorists shouldn’t have legal representation and their
lawyers should be punished, A J.J. Abrams TV show should guide
America’s defense policy

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/13/1998331/seven-outlandish-things-the-heritage-foundations-remaining-employees-believe/

Seven Outlandish Things The Heritage Foundation’s Remaining Employees
Believe
By Ian Millhiser on May 13, 2013 at 9:00 am

(Credit: AP)
Late in the day Friday, the Heritage Foundation announced that Jason
Richwine, the co-author of their widely criticized immigration report,
was no longer employed by the conservative think tank. Shortly after
the immigration report was released, the Washington Post’s Dylan
Matthews reported that Richwine’s PhD dissertation claimed that “new
Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren.”
Heritage’s decision to hire Richwine was not a momentary lapse in
judgement that was quickly rectified. To the contrary, Richwine was
employed by the Heritage foundation for more than three years before
reports of his quasi-eugenic views forced him to leave. As it turns
out, this is not an isolated incident. Although evidence has not yet
emerged suggesting that Richwine’s racist views are common among
Heritage employees, here are seven examples of radical, offensive or
just downright weird beliefs held by current Heritage staffers:
• Children of undocumented immigrants should be allowed to starve.
When news of Richwine’s racist dissertation broke, Heritage initially
attempted to rehabilitate its immigration report by claiming that
Richwine’s co-author, Heritage Senior Research Fellow Robert Rector,
took the lead in designing the study’s methodology and Richwine merely
“provided quantitative support to lead author Robert Rector.” Rector,
however, is hardly a picture of moderation. Among other things, Rector
co-authored a 2012 report arguing that we should “prohibit food stamp
payments to illegal immigrant families.” Notably, because all nearly
all children born in the United States are automatically U.S. citizens
under the Fourteenth Amendment, one impact of Rector’s proposal would
be starving American children in order to spite their parents.
• Gay people and sexually active unmarried women should be banned
from teaching. In 2010, Heritage President Jim DeMint told a rally at
a South Carolina church that “if someone is openly homosexual, they
shouldn’t be teaching in the classroom and he holds the same position
on an unmarried woman who’s sleeping with her boyfriend — she
shouldn’t be in the classroom.”
• The Voting Rights Act is a “racial entitlement.” Defending Justice
Scalia’s statement that a key provision of the Voting Rights Act of
1965 is a “perpetuation of racial entitlement,” Heritage Senior Legal
Fellow Hans von Spakovsky endorses Scalia’s view and writes that “the
only thing certain about talking honestly about the current benefits
and burdens of Section 5 (or voting against its renewal) is the very
type of venomous attacks and false claims of racism and Jim Crow to
which Scalia has been subjected.” Spakovsky’s disregard for the Voting
Rights Act is not surprising, as he is one of the nation’s top
proponents of voter suppression laws. Indeed, a panel of Virginia
judges recently refused to reappoint Spakovsky to an election board in
Fairfax, Virginia in the wake of allegations that he used his seat on
the board to crusade against voting rights.
• Todd Akin can save America from an “economic abyss.” At a time when
former Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) found himself friendless due to his
“legitimate rape” comment, DeMint tried to throw Akin a lifeline in
his Senate race against Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO). In a joint
statement with former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), DeMint said that they
“support Todd Akin and hope freedom-loving Americans in Missouri and
around the country will join us so we can save our country from fiscal
collapse.” As a bonus, Heritage published a column by Akin in 2011
where the former congressman claimed that “the constitutionality of
much entitlement spending is debatable.”
• Poor people aren’t really poor if they own refrigerators. In 2011,
Rector and Heritage Policy Analyst Rachel Sheffield published a report
arguing that “Congress should reorient the massive welfare state to
promote self-sufficient prosperity rather than expanded dependence” in
part because most impoverished households own appliances and do not
send their kids to bed hungry. Among the report’s claims are that
nearly all poor people have “kitchens equipped with an oven, stove,
and refrigerator,” that “[n]early three-fourths have a car or truck”
and that “70 percent have a VCR.” Of course, as Matt Yglesias points
out, many of the common household amenities Rector and Sheffield
dismiss as luxuries are actually signs of thrift — “[b]uying food at
the grocery store and saving it thanks to the miracles of modern
refrigeration is sound household budgeting.” Similarly, poor people in
parts of the country without adequate public transportation would find
it very difficult to hold a job if they did not have a car or truck.
As Melissa Boteach and Donna Cooper explain, a particularly well-
equipped poor household could sell all of their household appliances
and electronics and still only wind up with two and a half months
rent.
• Accused terrorists shouldn’t have legal representation and their
lawyers should be punished. According to at least one former Bush
Administration official, the “vast majority” of the 742 original
Guantanamo Bay detainees were innocent of terrorism, which only
emphasizes the importance of providing these detainees with due
process and adequate legal representation. Yet, in a 2007 radio
interview, then-Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Charles “Cully”
Stimson made a thinly veiled attempt to punish lawyers who represent
Gitmo detainees by encouraging their law firms’ corporate clients to
drop them. Stimson listed the names of over a dozen firms with
attorneys representing detainees, and then said “I think, quite
honestly, when corporate C.E.O.’s see that those firms are
representing the very terrorists who hit their bottom line back in
2001, those C.E.O.’s are going to make those law firms choose between
representing terrorists or representing reputable firms.” Within a
month, Stimson resigned from the Bush Administration (he also
apologized for his comments and claimed they did not reflect his “core
beliefs”). Yet, while Stimson’s comments were too disgraceful for him
to remain in Bush’s Defense Department, they were not too disgraceful
for the Heritage Foundation. Stimson is now a Senior Legal Fellow at
Heritage.
• A J.J. Abrams TV show should guide America’s defense policy. The
plot of J.J. Abrams’ show “Revolution” focuses around a new weapon
technology that disables electronic devices and returns the world to
the pre-industrial era. Most TV viewers understand that this show is
science fiction. Heritage thinks it is a warning about the future.
According to Heritage, the future world depicted in this show, “is not
as unlikely as it might appear.” Heritage national security Research
Fellow Baker Spring warns that America’s enemies could detonate “a
nuclear weapon at a high altitude over the earth” triggering an
“electromagnetic pulse” (EMP) that would disable American technology.
Another Heritage paper calls for a “National EMP Awareness Day.” In
reality, of course, the idea of an EMP attack belongs in science
fiction. Among other things, if someone who wished us harm possessed
both a nuclear warhead and the technology required to detonate such a
weapon in US airspace, there are plenty of other much more destructive
things they could do — such as setting off the nuke in the middle of
Manhattan.

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 03:40:19 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

In America, certainly.
There are no class divisions/barriers in America. But there was one
once. And that barrier was race. The marxists hammered on this one
weakness throughout the 1950s and 1960s. They succeeded in preventing
black culture from advancing into the mainstream, even as it advanced
towards the mainstream.
The claims that that class barrier still exists are pretty thin these
days. Anorexic, actually. The president, who wants as much as his
affluent white liberal associates to keep those barriers alive in
everyone's minds, belies those efforts by virtue of his own genetics.
Racism is a phantom these days. It's something that supposedly exists,
but no one can actually point to actual evidence.
Believing in racism is not unlike believing in ghosts.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Only you are claiming any of that, I'm afraid.

These are your dark projections, not actual conservative positions or
statements.

No conservative has stated anything of the kind, because none of the
above has anything to do with conservatism.

I'm not even sure you can find quotes from some random idiots (who claim
to be conservatives) that match any of your silly, over the top,
downright crazy mischaracterizations.

I have my own problems with conservatism, of course. But I know
conservatives are definitely not who or what you've somehow convinced
yourself to believe.

Why is it, do you suppose, that you (or your think-masters) feel
compelled to make those whose ideas differ from yours into demons?

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

Y***@Jurgis.net

2013-05-28 04:26:44 UTC

On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:43:32 -0500, Neolibertarian

Post by Neolibertarian
There are no class divisions/barriers in America.

Are you SERIOUS?

TRy walking down streets in any given neighborhoods reserved for
wealthy and see what "status" you have.

Every town has an "Elite" based on wealth and/or position

If you really believe that kind of crap---you're wrapping yourself in
"belief" not reality

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 00:52:27 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

And yet it's the progressives and liberals who reaffirm constantly that
brown people couldn't survive in this society without the extensive
assistance of white liberals.
Only brown people need exemptions. Only brown people need help to
compete. Only brown people need free food, free housing, free living
assistance, and quotas.
Whose are the racists? Those who think brown people aren't our equals,
of course.
The progressives.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

you mean you resent us because we believe in and enforce the
constitution. lincoln had you guys dead to rights.

"The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of
other people." -- Abraham Lincoln

Harold Burton

2013-05-28 01:14:59 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

And yet it's the progressives and liberals who reaffirm constantly that
brown people couldn't survive in this society without the extensive
assistance of white liberals.
Only brown people need exemptions. Only brown people need help to
compete. Only brown people need free food, free housing, free living
assistance, and quotas.
Whose are the racists? Those who think brown people aren't our equals,
of course.
The progressives.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

you mean you resent us because we believe in and enforce the
constitution.

NLRB acting illegally

By George Will
Washington Post writers group

Early in an opinion issued recently by a unanimous three-judge panel of
the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Judge A.
Raymond Randolph says: ³Although the parties have not raised it, one
issue needs to be resolved before we turn to the merits of the case.²
The issue he raised but could not resolve that is up to the Supreme
Court illuminates the Obama administration¹s George Wallace-like
lawlessness. It also demonstrates the judiciary¹s duty to restrain
presidents who forget the oath they swear to ³preserve, protect and
defend the Constitution.²

The appeals court was deciding whether the National Labor Relations
Board has the power to issue the rule requiring nearly 6 million
private-sector employers to post notices informing workers of their
right to join a union. Failure to post the notice would be, the NLRB
says, an ³unfair labor practice.²

The regulation of speech about unionization has been tightly restricted
for many decades. In 1947, Congress amended the National Labor Relations
Act with this: ³The expressing of any views, argument, or opinion, or
the dissemination thereof, whether in written, printed, graphic, or
visual form, shall not constitute or be evidence of an unfair labor
practice under any of the provisions of this [act], if such expression
contains no threat of reprisal or force or promise of benefit.²

In the recent case, the NLRB argued that the required posting is its own
speech, not the speech of any employer. The appeals court disagreed, and
cited some ³firmly established principles² of free-speech law, including
³the right to decide not to disseminate² the speech of others. The
Supreme Court has hitherto held that it is unconstitutional to force
students to salute the flag. And the court has said ³freedom of speech
prohibits the government from telling people what they must say.² Just
because the NLRB wrote the required posting does not make it merely
³government speech² rather than the coerced speech of employers who are
compelled to disseminate it on their premises.

So the NLRB¹s rule requiring the posting was illegitimate. But, then,
everything the NLRB, as currently constituted, does is illegitimate
because two of its members were put in their seats by an
unconstitutional act.

What Randolph referred to early in the opinion is this: The NLRB has
five seats and can act with a quorum of three members. But it does not
have three. Seventeen months after the NLRB issued its rule requiring
employers to post the notice, the appeals court held that the Senate was
not in recess when President Obama made three supposed recess
appointments to the board.

The Constitution says: ³The president shall have power to fill up all
vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate.² The
Constitution also says the Senate has the power to reject presidential
appointments and to ³determine the rules of its proceedings.² The
Senate, however, said it was not in recess when Obama said it was.

So the D.C. court said those three appointees were not rightfully in
office. The NLRB said it ³respectfully² disagreed with the court, and
went its merry way, without a quorum. Absent the perfunctory expression
of respect, this was pretty much what George Wallace did 50 years ago
this year when he stood in the door of Foster Auditorium at the
University of Alabama to prevent two young blacks from registering as
students.

Wallace said the district judge who had ordered the admission of the
students was entitled to his opinion but that he, Wallace, had a
different opinion, so there.

Courts defeated Wallace¹s lawlessness. Presumably the Supreme Court will
defeat Obama¹s. By such judicial vigilance against the excesses of
elected officials, democracy is disciplined and progressivism¹s agenda
unchecked executive power is understood to be unconstitutional.

snicker

Neolibertarian

2013-05-28 01:36:36 UTC

In article

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

And yet it's the progressives and liberals who reaffirm constantly that
brown people couldn't survive in this society without the extensive
assistance of white liberals.
Only brown people need exemptions. Only brown people need help to
compete. Only brown people need free food, free housing, free living
assistance, and quotas.
Whose are the racists? Those who think brown people aren't our equals,
of course.
The progressives.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

you mean you resent us because we believe in and enforce the
constitution. lincoln had you guys dead to rights.

He had the progressives "dead to rights," I suppose.

"You work and toil and earn bread, and I¹ll eat it." This, said Lincoln,
is the same tyrannical principle found throughout history.

How many times have you claimed here, at the annals of Usenet, that the
"millionaires and billionaires" who make $250,000 or more, aren't
"paying enough in taxes"?

Your schools aren't producing educated adults, so it's the millionaires'
fault. You don't get enough medical benefits, so it's the billionaires'
fault. You claim corporate America is robbing you by not allowing you to
dip your beak into their trough.

You think the tax code favors the rich, even though the bottom half of
wage earners pay no income tax at all, and with EIC, actually collect
more from the Treasury for filing their income taxes than they paid in.

All of that, including 99 weeks of Federal Unemployment Insurance,
amounts to "You work and toil and earn bread, and I¹ll eat it."

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

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2013-05-28 02:31:45 UTC

Post by Neolibertarian
In article

It is YOUR FRIGGIN' FUNERAL!!
Literally.
-Ramon

We will just see about that, won't we?

duh, they wonder why minorities vote heavily for democrats: Minority
Doubtreach: GOP Governor Appoints Cuban-American White Supremacist To
Campaign Post: all "conservatives" are racists

And yet it's the progressives and liberals who reaffirm constantly that
brown people couldn't survive in this society without the extensive
assistance of white liberals.
Only brown people need exemptions. Only brown people need help to
compete. Only brown people need free food, free housing, free living
assistance, and quotas.
Whose are the racists? Those who think brown people aren't our equals,
of course.
The progressives.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

you mean you resent us because we believe in and enforce the
constitution. lincoln had you guys dead to rights.

He had the progressives "dead to rights," I suppose.
"You work and toil and earn bread, and I¹ll eat it." This, said Lincoln,
is the same tyrannical principle found throughout history.
How many times have you claimed here, at the annals of Usenet, that the
"millionaires and billionaires" who make $250,000 or more, aren't
"paying enough in taxes"?
Your schools aren't producing educated adults, so it's the millionaires'
fault. You don't get enough medical benefits, so it's the billionaires'
fault. You claim corporate America is robbing you by not allowing you to
dip your beak into their trough.
You think the tax code favors the rich, even though the bottom half of
wage earners pay no income tax at all, and with EIC, actually collect
more from the Treasury for filing their income taxes than they paid in.
All of that, including 99 weeks of Federal Unemployment Insurance,
amounts to "You work and toil and earn bread, and I¹ll eat it."

yet,

no, you are using the european definition of liberalism, its the
opposite of traditional american liberalism, as practiced by the
majority of the founders of the united states of america, who
enshrined american liberalism into the constitution of the united
states of america.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

The origins of American liberalism lie in the political ideals of The
Enlightenment.[4] The Constitution of the United States of 1787 set up
the first modern republic, with sovereignty in the people (not in a
monarch) and no hereditary ruling aristocracy. However, the
Constitution limited liberty by accepting slavery. The Founding
Fathers recognized the contradiction, and most expected slavery to
wither away. Indeed it was abolished in all the Northern states by
1804, but due to the demand for raw cotton by the Industrial
Revolution, plantation slavery continued to flourish in the Deep
South.
From the time of the Revolution to the present day, America has
extended liberty to ever broader classes of people. The states
abolished restrictions on voting in the early 19th century. The
Constitution was amended in 1865 to abolish slavery, in 1870 to extend
the vote to Black men, in 1920 to extend the vote to women, and in
1971 to lower the voting age to 18. The Jim Crow system of the South
between the 1890s and 1960s relegated blacks to second class
citizenship, until it was overthrown by the Civil Rights Movement and
new federal laws in 1964 and 1965.[5]
Thomas Jefferson believed that America should remain a nation of small
farmers.[6] As America became more and more a nation of businessmen,
liberals began to fear threats to liberty from corruption and
monopolies (called "trusts" at the time).[7][8] Wealth was
concentrated in the hands of a few—especially in the new fast-growing
cities—raised questions whether political democracy could survive the
power of the rich.
The dominance of the Republican Party for most of the era 1860-1932,
the Third Party System, and the Fourth Party System, prevented any
major reversal of the concentration of wealth. During the Progressive
Era of the early 20th century, laws were passed restricting monopolies
(the antitrust movement) and regulating railroad rates.[9][10]
After 1933, modern liberals used the New Deal to provide jobs during
the Great Depression. The Social Security act of 1935 provided
retirement and disability income for Americans unable to work or
unable to find jobs.[11] In the Social Security Act of 1965, this was
extended to provide benefits for Americans unable to work due to
illness.
In the 1960s, liberals fought for the rights of blacks and women, and
for protection of the environment. They split on the issue of the
Vietnam War.
A reaction against modern American liberalism began with Barry
Goldwater, which led to the eventual election of Ronald Reagan in
1980. The intellectual foundations of this conservative resurgence
included the works of free-market economists Milton Friedman and the
Chicago School of Economics, who argued against central economic
planning (with the notable exception of the Federal Reserve),
regulation of business, and Keynesian economics. Deregulation began in
the mid-1970s and had broad support from both liberals and
conservatives. Reagan successfully lowered marginal tax rates, most
notably for those at the top of the income distribution, while his
Social Security reforms raised taxes on the middle and bottom of the
income distribution, leaving their total tax burden unchanged. [12]
Democratic president Bill Clinton (1993–2001) worked with
conservatives, against strong liberal opposition, to end some of the
main welfare programs and to implement NAFTA, linking the economies of
the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Clinton pushed to extend modern liberal
ideals especially in the areas of health care (where he failed) and
environmental protection (where he had more success).[13]
According to Louis Hartz, liberalism was the only significant
political tradition in the United States. However in the 1970s,
Bernard Bailyn, Gordon Wood and J. G. A. Pocock saw republicanism as
the main political tradition.[clarification needed] In the 1980s, J.
David Green returned to Hartz's thesis, but saw two different types of
liberalism in the tradition, which he called humanist and reform. More
recently, writers have seen a multitude of traditions, including
liberalism, republicanism and protestantism.[14][dubious – discuss]
[clarification needed]

as you can see, jefferson was a liberal, as well as thomas paine.
the declaration of independence, the preamble, and the constitution
are all based on the writings of thomas paine. paine advocated for a
social democracy.
in fact a majority of the founders were liberals, they despised
conservatism, and blamed conservatives for almost losing the
revolution.

The Constitution of the United States
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on
the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and
current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas,
and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use
shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the
Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the
Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia
according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof.

THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE
Article. VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,
any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.

The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the
Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the
United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the
constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a
federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.

so any law, treaty or regulation that is deemed constitutional, shall
be the law of the land. its really quite simple. the constitution was
crafted by liberals, who gave the constitution broad powers to
legislate, tax, regulate, negate state law, mandate, tariff, to
promote and provide for the general welfare, to ensure domestic
tranquility:)))

Post by Neolibertarian
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

AlleyCat

2013-05-26 20:10:38 UTC

On Sun, 26 May 2013 14:13:48 -0400,Sid9 says...

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'

Sid9

2013-05-26 20:35:06 UTC

Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 26 May 2013 14:13:48 -0400,Sid9 says...

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'

I like the GOP the way it is.

Cruz inj one place. McCain in another place.
McConnell, a natural born loser

Bret Cahill

2013-05-27 02:30:25 UTC

Post by Sid9
I like the GOP the way it is.
Cruz inj one place. McCain in another place.
McConnell, a natural born loser

It's easy to get rid of partisan politics:

Just get rid of the GOP.

Problem solved!

Bret Cahill

Sid9

2013-05-27 02:53:22 UTC

Post by Sid9
I like the GOP the way it is.
Cruz inj one place. McCain in another place.
McConnell, a natural born loser

Just get rid of the GOP.
Problem solved!
Bret Cahill

They are taking care of that themselves.

Bret Cahill

2013-05-27 02:56:24 UTC

Post by Sid9
I like the GOP the way it is.
Cruz inj one place. McCain in another place.
McConnell, a natural born loser

Just get rid of the GOP.
Problem solved!
Bret Cahill

They are taking care of that themselves.

George Washington would be happy.

Bret Cahill

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-27 17:22:52 UTC

Post by AlleyCat
On Sun, 26 May 2013 14:13:48 -0400,Sid9 says...

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'

I like the GOP the way it is.
Cruz inj one place. McCain in another place.
McConnell, a natural born loser

yes, i do hope they keep it up. i do hope they make sure that america
is finally understanding what they are.

good news for the left:) Gallup Poll And A New Study Both Confirm
America Is Starting To Lean Left: it might have something to do with
finding out "CONSERVATISM" is simply pandering to wealthy fanatics,
and the rest get screwed

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/26/gallup-poll-and-new-study-reveal-americas-growing-love-for-liberal-views/

Gallup Poll And A New Study Both Confirm America Is Starting To Lean
Left
by Leslie Salzillo • May 26, 2013

Good news for the left.
Gallup just released a poll that reveals more and more Americans are
shifting in ideological attitudes, and identifying themselves as
‘liberals’ in regard to social and economic issues. At the same time,
fewer Americans are describing themselves as ‘conservatives.’

Gallup reports:
“The trend suggests that ideological attitudes in the country may be
shifting. Social liberalism has grown by six points since 2001 and now
attracts half of rank-and-file Democrats and Democratic leaners.”
This new survey shows changes in Americans’ ideology: economic
conservatism is at a five-year low, while social liberalism has
registered its highest support…
They go on to state the following:
“the percentage of Americans describing their social views as
‘liberal’ or ‘very liberal’ has achieved a new peak of 30% — in line
with Gallup’s recent finding that Americans are more accepting on a
number of moral issues. Thirty-five percent of Americans say they are
conservative or very conservative on social issues and 32% self-
identify as socially moderate.”

Another recent study was presented at Vanderbilt University:
What Politicians Believe About Their Constituents: (Asymmetric
Misperceptions and Prospects for Constituency Control)
The study shows conservative politicians believe their ‘followers’ are
more conservative than they actually are.
“There is a striking conservative bias in politicians’ perceptions,
particularly among conservatives: conservative politicians
systematically believe their constituents are more conservative than
they actually are by more than 20 percentage points on average, and
liberal politicians also typically overestimate their constituents’
conservatism by several percentage points.
On the same topic of Conservatives loosing ground, another Gallop poll
taken in February, reveals 9 out of 10 Republicans are white.

“Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 89% of Republican self-identifiers
nationwide in 2012, while accounting for 70% of independents and 60%
of Democrats,” Gallup reports. “On the other hand, relatively few
Hispanics and blacks identified as Republicans, while both of these
groups represented a significantly higher percentage of independents
and Democrats nationwide.”
Gallup adds:
“The ability of the Republican Party to make inroads among nonwhites
has been much discussed in recent months, particularly the GOP’s
efforts to improve on the 13% allegiance that Gallup data show it
obtains from Hispanics.”
So where does this all leave us? It leaves us looking damn good for
the 2014 mid-term elections, it does. If Democrats don’t do anything
silly, and GOP continues to dig its grave by introducing bills against
the reproductive rights of women, opposing healthcare, even the
simplest gun safety, and the environment, we should have a clear shot.
You’d think Republicans would have learned after 2012 elections. I’m
glad they didn’t — and hope they stay ignorant. Many liberals are
ready for a Democratic majority in Congress, so we can get the job(s)
done.

(The author, Leslie Salzillo, is a writer, pro-choice activist,
political commentator, and visual artist. She writes diaries in Daily
Kos and began contributing to AddictingInfo.org in March of 2013)

Sid Sucks 9 Dicks

2013-05-27 20:11:43 UTC

Texas, Red States Beat Blue States On Jobs, Growth
Texas outperformed every other state in the nation on jobs and growth
over the past decade, according to the latest annual report on state
economic performance released Thursday by the American Legislative
Exchange Council. Michigan came in dead last.
The rankings are based on state GDP growth, population shifts, and
changes in non-farm payroll jobs between 2001 and 2011.
The ALEC report also finds that Utah has the best economic outlook
this year, and Vermont the worst.
That outlook ranking is based on more than a dozen public policies
that the authors say are closely related to economic growth —
including various tax rates, workers compensation costs, minimum wage
laws, right to work laws, government jobs as a share of the workforce,
and debt service as a share of tax revenues.
In addition, an IBD analysis of the data finds that conservative,
Republican states vastly outperformed liberal, Democratic states over
the past decade on jobs and economic growth, and attracted more people
to their states.
In fact, of the 10 states that had the best economic performance over
the past decade, all but two — Nevada and Washington — are solid red
states, based on the past four presidential elections. Other top
economic performers include Utah, Wyoming, North Dakota, Idaho and
Arizona.
At the other end of the spectrum, all but two of the worst-performing
states are solidly blue. In addition to Michigan, bottom-dwelling
states include New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut and
Massachusetts.
http://news.investors.com/052313-657271-red-states-beat-blue-states-on-economy-jobs.htm
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(snicker)

Post by Sid9
Bob Dole to GOP: 'Compromise Is Not a Bad Word'
Tuesday, 23 Apr 2013 02:30 PM
By Melanie Batley
Former Sen. Bob Dole says the Republican Party is "losing ground" and needs
to learn that "compromise is not a bad word."
In a recent interview with The Wichita Eagle, Dole, who will be 90 in July,
said he was concerned about the direction of the party, saying the GOP is
"moving further and further to the right."
"We need to build an inclusive party, not an exclusive party. We need to
broaden the base with Latinos and blacks and young people - almost every
group. We're losing ground," said former majority leader and GOP
presidential nominee from Kansas.
Dole faced off against Bill Clinton in the 1996 presidential campaign after
serving in Congress for 35 years. He still tries to go to work every day at
his law firm in Washington, despite chronic pain from wounds he sustained as
an army lieutenant in World War II. But it's not the same as making the
rounds on Capitol Hill.
"I miss it," he told Eagle about being on the front line of politics. "I
miss being in the eye of the storm."
Dole's more than eleven years serving at various times as both Senate
majority and minority leader has been defined by his willingness to work
closely with Democrats, an approach he said he consciously cultivated.
"I think a lot if it is, like I said, developing relationships - not because
I want something - but just because I'm in the same body as these other 99
senators, D's and R's. It takes a lot of work and a lot of time, and some
people you just can't bring around," Dole said, adding: "If you keep working
at it, you can probably get it done."
Dole also revealed that former President Bill Clinton asked for his advice
about how to deal with Congress over the 1998 scandal with White House
intern, Monica Lewinsky.
"He asked me, 'What would you do?' And I said, 'Well, if I could get a
letter signed by whatever the number (of senators) needed that would say, 'I'll
never vote for impeachment' - that's pretty good medicine.'"
The former senator said his proudest achievements were the twenty years he
spent on the House and Senate agricultural committees supporting farmers,
and also his role in the passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act in
1990.
In answer to how he wants to be remembered, Dole said, "[As] someone who
loved his job and loved his state and the people in it. And tried to
demonstrate those things by what I did in Congress, the House and the
Senate, particularly the Senate."
He added, "I think my sense of humor was one of my strengths."
--
"Consider a 1998 study in the "Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery"
that found that every time a gun was used in a house in a self defense or
legally justifiable shooting there were four unintentional shootings , seven
criminal assaults, or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides"
from Scientific American May 2013
"We've got to stop being the stupid party,"
the Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal explained.
"It's time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults.
"Facts." John Adams argued "are stubborn things,
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations,
or of the dictates of our passion, they cannot
alter the state of facts and evidence.

Nickname unavailable

2013-05-28 01:22:29 UTC