Post by NoddyPost by Trevor WilsonPost by felixfkn megalomaniacal prick! He's just loving being in total control of
Victoria, telling us what we can and can't do. what does he think
he's doing by destorying ppls live and the State? eliminating the
virus? not gonna happen. if NSW had the level of restrictions that we
have they'd be in lockup too, but they're not, and they're coping cos
they have competent contact tracing. fk him! I hate the prick!
**Pretty much everyone has fucked up, from the PM down. Andrews'
fuckup cost a lot of lives. And yeah, Victorian contact tracing has
been pretty ordinary. However, we MUST aim for elimination. That is
the only possible way to go.
There is no elimination without an effective vaccine Trev. New Zealand
has taught everyone that.
Vaccines do not and cannot eliminate a virus. A vaccine merely reduces
your chances of catching the virus. It does not 100% prevent you from
catching it. At best, it will *reduce* the effect the virus has on you
if you do catch it. All a vaccine does is *prime* the immune system to
recognise a virus so it knows how to deal with it.
Post by NoddyPost by Trevor WilsonAnything else will result in a 'see-sawing' economy.
Get used to it, because that's where we're heading.
That is where we will head if iso measures are relaxed too much.
Post by NoddyPost by Trevor WilsonIt's not that difficult. Lockdown for a few weeks and stick ANYONE
entering the country into compulsory isolation for 2 weeks. The
vaccine is not going to happen anytime soon and is unlikely to be
better than 50% efficient at preventing people from catching COVID-19
anyway.
And how the fuck would you know this? :)
Get your head out of Murdoch media and get your information from a
*variety* of sources - preferably those with more of a reputation for
honesty. A vaccine has *never been a cure*. All it does is prime the
immune system to recognise a virus so it knows how to deal with it. The
rest depends entirely on the immune system itself being 100% efficient.
Sadly for most people, especially the elderly and the
immuno-compromised, that isn't the case. Any doctor will tell you that
the current influenza vaccine will not 100% prevent you from getting the
virus but they do say that if you do catch it the effects of the virus
will be lessened.
Post by NoddyPost by Trevor WilsonWorse, it is probable that we will all need to be vaccinated 3 ~ 4 times per year.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Well, as is usual, you are wrong. A normal flu vaccine is good for one
year/season. After that, the next year/season's virus will have
sufficiently mutated so that the previous vaccine isn't sufficient to
trigger a recognition response by the immune system thus a new vaccine
needs to be created. With influenza, that was an *annual* cycle. With
Covid, it looks very much like the viral mutation occurs at a much
faster rate since people are becoming *reinfected* with Covid after
having caught it only a few months before. That bodes ill for the
effectiveness of any Covid vaccine lasting more than 3-5 months. After
all, the vaccine itself *does not kill the virus*. All it does is prime
your own immune system to *recognise* a virus cell so it can attack and
kill it. If the virus mutates too quickly, a constant updating of virus
vaccines will be required and you will need to be revaccinated several
times a year. Given that, currently, a vaccine takes, on average, 12-18
months to work up, this is going to be very problematic.
Post by NoddyWhat's more likely is that once a vaccine is available you'll get an
initial shot followed by a booster a few months later, and then an
annual shot just like you do with the Flu vaccine now.
Tell that to the people who are being *reinfected* with the Covid virus
3-5 months after they have *recovered* from a bout of the infection.
Post by NoddyWhat people need to get their heads around is that it is highly unlikely
that there will ever be a vaccine that gives you lifetime immunity.
Nobody is saying that about the influenza virus and, more importantly,
no one is saying that about Covid. Lifetime immunity to influenza simply
doesn't exist simply because of the manner and speed in which the virus
mutates. That's why there has never been a vaccine for the common cold.
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Xeno
First they ignore you,
Then they ridicule you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
Mahatma Ghandi