Are Roger Waters' usages idiomatic in UK English?

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 02:37:04 -0800 (PST), Dingbat

Subject: Are Roger Waters' usages idiomatic in some dialect of UK English?

To me, Yes.

There are various regional accents.
Apart from that the main difference I hear in the pronunciation is the
presence of absence of a spoken "h":
"South-hampton" or "South-ampton".

Four example pronunciations:
https://forvo.com/word/southampton/#en

Pronunciations 1 and 3 seems to be "South-ampton".

4 is "South-hampton" as is, less obviously 2.

Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as /sa??'(h)æmpt?n/.

I would say it with the "h".

The "South-hampton" version is logical because the city developed from
an Anglo-Saxon settlement named Hamtun.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090722084011/http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba66/feat3.shtml

** Anglo-Saxon Southampton - or Hamwic as it was then known - has, more
than any other site, helped to reshape our thinking about the fate
of long-distance trade and the origins of towns in England during
this critical period. It has long been known from written sources
that Hamwic was a port and market during the 8th and early 9th
centuries. Indeed, we now know that, far from being a 'dark age',
this period saw an economic resurgence in Anglo-Saxon England. The
Life of St. Willibald, for example, records that in around 721 the
saint caught the 8th century equivalent of a cross-channel ferry
from a place near Hamwic, which is described as a commercial port
** (mercimonium). Hamwic (also known as Hamtun) must have possessed
** considerable administrative importance, as by the middle of the 8th
** century it had given its name to the shire - Hamtunscire, that is,
Hampshire.

2. Money expressed as "Pounds, shillings and pence" in "Perfect
Sense, Part 2" from the album "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking"
composed long after the UK Pound ceased to be divided into
shillings and pence.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 02:37:04 -0800 (PST), Dingbat

Subject: Are Roger Waters' usages idiomatic in some dialect of UK English?

To me, Yes.
There are various regional accents.
Apart from that the main difference I hear in the pronunciation is the
"South-hampton" or "South-ampton".
https://forvo.com/word/southampton/#en
Pronunciations 1 and 3 seems to be "South-ampton".
4 is "South-hampton" as is, less obviously 2.
Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as /sa??'(h)æmpt?n/.
I would say it with the "h".

I think I probably use both, but more often without the [h]; However, I
think I always pronounce the [h] in Northampton.

When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The "South-hampton" version is logical because the city developed from
an Anglo-Saxon settlement named Hamtun.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090722084011/http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba66/feat3.shtml
** Anglo-Saxon Southampton - or Hamwic as it was then known - has, more
than any other site, helped to reshape our thinking about the fate
of long-distance trade and the origins of towns in England during
this critical period. It has long been known from written sources
that Hamwic was a port and market during the 8th and early 9th
centuries. Indeed, we now know that, far from being a 'dark age',
this period saw an economic resurgence in Anglo-Saxon England. The
Life of St. Willibald, for example, records that in around 721 the
saint caught the 8th century equivalent of a cross-channel ferry
from a place near Hamwic, which is described as a commercial port
** (mercimonium). Hamwic (also known as Hamtun) must have possessed
** considerable administrative importance, as by the middle of the 8th
** century it had given its name to the shire - Hamtunscire, that is,
Hampshire.

http://youtu.be/NDTWsuyDYRM
http://youtu.be/v-1OgNqBkVE
2. Money expressed as "Pounds, shillings and pence" in "Perfect
Sense, Part 2" from the album "Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking"
composed long after the UK Pound ceased to be divided into
shillings and pence.
http://youtu.be/A51t2PbOevc

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 02:37:04 -0800 (PST), Dingbat

Subject: Are Roger Waters' usages idiomatic in some dialect of UK English?

To me, Yes.
There are various regional accents.
Apart from that the main difference I hear in the pronunciation is the
"South-hampton" or "South-ampton".
https://forvo.com/word/southampton/#en
Pronunciations 1 and 3 seems to be "South-ampton".
4 is "South-hampton" as is, less obviously 2.
Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as /sa??'(h)æmpt?n/.
I would say it with the "h".

I think I probably use both, but more often without the [h]; However, I
think I always pronounce the [h] in Northampton.

But what about the first vowel in "Southampton"?

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

...

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

[Quinn C]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

...
Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken, "brothers and
sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still many places named
after the guy left in Canada, including a township in Quebec.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Quinn C

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken, "brothers and
sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still many places named
after the guy left in Canada, including a township in Quebec.

Is Montreal in Mohawk territory? I'm surprised there were Iroquois
so far north.

[b***@shaw.ca]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Quinn C

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken, "brothers and
sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still many places named
after the guy left in Canada, including a township in Quebec.

Is Montreal in Mohawk territory? I'm surprised there were Iroquois
so far north.

The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory is a First Nations reserve of the Mohawks of Kahnawá:ke on the south shore of the Saint Lawrence River in Quebec, Canada, across from Montreal. (Wikipedia)

The Iroquois Confederacy includes the Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga, and Seneca first nations.

bill

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Quinn C

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken, "brothers and
sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still many places named
after the guy left in Canada, including a township in Quebec.

Is Montreal in Mohawk territory? I'm surprised there were Iroquois
so far north.

The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory is a First Nations reserve of the Mohawks of Kahnawá:ke on the south shore of the Saint Lawrence River in Quebec, Canada, across from Montreal. (Wikipedia)
The Iroquois Confederacy includes the Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga, and Seneca first nations.

For the most part south of Lake Ontario, which is why the Finger Lakes
bear their names. (And the Mohawk River.)

[CDB]

Post by b***@shaw.ca

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Quinn C

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised
to learn that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more
British-sounding than American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after
Jeffrey Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native
Americans by any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken,
"brothers and sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still
many places named after the guy left in Canada, including a
township in Quebec.

Is Montreal in Mohawk territory? I'm surprised there were Iroquois
so far north.

The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory is a First Nations reserve of the
Mohawks of Kahnawá:ke on the south shore of the Saint Lawrence River
in Quebec, Canada, across from Montreal. (Wikipedia)
The Iroquois Confederacy includes the Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida,
Cayuga, and Seneca first nations.

No need to leave out the Tuscarora just because they came late to the
party. (Grade 7 at PS No. 8, "History and Geography of New York State".
I would know a lot more about that if we hadn't decamped that October.)

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by CDB

Post by b***@shaw.ca

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Quinn C

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised
to learn that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more
British-sounding than American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town? It's named after
Jeffrey Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native
Americans by any means, including giving them smallpox.

Montreal recently changed it's Amherst Street to Atateken,
"brothers and sisters" in kanien'keha (Mohawk). But there's still
many places named after the guy left in Canada, including a
township in Quebec.

Is Montreal in Mohawk territory? I'm surprised there were Iroquois
so far north.

The Kahnawake Mohawk Territory is a First Nations reserve of the
Mohawks of Kahnawá:ke on the south shore of the Saint Lawrence River
in Quebec, Canada, across from Montreal. (Wikipedia)
The Iroquois Confederacy includes the Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida,
Cayuga, and Seneca first nations.

No need to leave out the Tuscarora just because they came late to the
party. (Grade 7 at PS No. 8, "History and Geography of New York State".
I would know a lot more about that if we hadn't decamped that October.)

Cherokee is also Iroquois but remained in the homeland when the
others went north and confederated.

There's a Wikimap s.v. Tuscarora showing that there were no Iroquois
north of the present-day NY-Ont/Que border. Tsk, tsk.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Jerry Friedman

On 2021-01-08 14:07:18 +0000, Peter Duncanson [BrE] said:>> > On Fri, 8
wrote:> >> >> Subject: Are Roger Waters' usages idiomatic in some
dialect of UK English?> >>> >> > To me, Yes.> >> > There are various
regional accents.> > Apart from that the main difference I hear in the
pronunciation is the> > presence of absence of a spoken "h":> >
"South-hampton" or "South-ampton".> >> > Four example pronunciations:>

https://forvo.com/word/southampton/#en> >> > Pronunciations 1 and 3

seems to be "South-ampton".> >> > 4 is "South-hampton" as is, less
obviously 2.> >> > Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as
/sa??'(h)æmpt?n/.> >> > I would say it with the "h".
I think I probably use both, but more often without the [h]; However,
I> think I always pronounce the [h] in Northampton.

But what about the first vowel in "Southampton"?

When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to learn>
that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more British-sounding than>
American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

...
Isn't it about time they renamed that town?

No doubt, but it's not for me to decide whar an American town should be called.

Rhetorical question expressing my opinion to everyone here (who's interested),
not a demand addressed to you.

Post by Jerry Friedman
It's named after Jeffrey
Amherst, who recommended extirpating the Native Americans by
any means, including giving them smallpox.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Jerry Friedman

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 7:22:21 AM UTC-7, Athel

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to
learn> that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more
British-sounding than> American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

...
Isn't it about time they renamed that town?

No doubt, but it's not for me to decide whar an American town
should be called.

Rhetorical question expressing my opinion to everyone here (who's
interested), not a demand addressed to you.

It's named after Jeffrey Amherst, who recommended extirpating the
Native Americans by any means, including giving them smallpox.

Until I read that sentence, I knew nothing about the historical Amherst,
and no doubt I will have forgotten it by tomorrow. Like Athel, I feel
that it's nobody's business but the Americans.

Still, it raises the question of whether the recent passion for
destroying statues and doing some renamings is desirable.

Australia too has many places named after historical figures, and often
when we dig a little we find that those people were less than admirable
by our standards. Mostly, though, the details are known only to
historians. If you asked the residents of Melbourne, Victoria, who Lord
Melbourne was, perhaps one in a thousand would know the answer, and
fewer than that would care. The name is the name of their city, and no
longer the name of some obscure politician.

Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Jerry Friedman

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 7:22:21 AM UTC-7, Athel

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to
learn> that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more
British-sounding than> American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

Isn't it about time they renamed that town?

No doubt, but it's not for me to decide whar an American town should be called.

Rhetorical question expressing my opinion to everyone here (who's
interested), not a demand addressed to you.

It's named after Jeffrey Amherst, who recommended extirpating the
Native Americans by any means, including giving them smallpox.

Until I read that sentence, I knew nothing about the historical Amherst,
and no doubt I will have forgotten it by tomorrow. Like Athel, I feel
that it's nobody's business but the Americans.

And the people of Bristol?

Post by Peter Moylan
Still, it raises the question of whether the recent passion for
destroying statues and doing some renamings is desirable.
Australia too has many places named after historical figures, and often
when we dig a little we find that those people were less than admirable
by our standards. Mostly, though, the details are known only to
historians. If you asked the residents of Melbourne, Victoria, who Lord
Melbourne was, perhaps one in a thousand would know the answer, and
fewer than that would care. The name is the name of their city, and no
longer the name of some obscure politician.
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

The solution being successfully pursued in NYC is to _add_, not
subtract, statues: the monument in Columbus Circle will not be
toppled (or its statue removed), but a suitable remembrance of
indigenous peoples will be added nearby. Incidentally, the Battleship
Maine memorial is across the street from it, on the southwest
corner of Central Park. The accidental explosion on the Maine
was the excuse for kicking the last remnants of the Spanish
Empire out of the Caribbean -- and also the Philippines. The
war frenzy to which McKinley succumbed was entirely media-
driven.

A good dozen statues of women are being erected on public
land, to begin to redress the gender inequality in memorials.

As for the equestrian statue of T. Roosevelt outside the American
Museum of Natural History, I think it's rather nice that the figures
of persons of color (which I never actually noticed) were needed
to tell TR where to go. They're guides, not subservients.

[Quinn C]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Jerry Friedman

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 7:22:21 AM UTC-7, Athel

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
When I once went to Amherst, Massachusetts, I was surprised to
learn> that it is pronounced without any [h] -- more
British-sounding than> American, albeit it with a rhotic r.

...
Isn't it about time they renamed that town?

No doubt, but it's not for me to decide whar an American town should be called.

Rhetorical question expressing my opinion to everyone here (who's
interested), not a demand addressed to you.

It's named after Jeffrey Amherst, who recommended extirpating the
Native Americans by any means, including giving them smallpox.

Until I read that sentence, I knew nothing about the historical Amherst,
and no doubt I will have forgotten it by tomorrow. Like Athel, I feel
that it's nobody's business but the Americans.
Still, it raises the question of whether the recent passion for
destroying statues and doing some renamings is desirable.
Australia too has many places named after historical figures, and often
when we dig a little we find that those people were less than admirable
by our standards. Mostly, though, the details are known only to
historians. If you asked the residents of Melbourne, Victoria, who Lord
Melbourne was, perhaps one in a thousand would know the answer, and
fewer than that would care. The name is the name of their city, and no
longer the name of some obscure politician.
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

Of course they should be remembered, but are they best remembered by
putting the perpetrators on a pedestal?

I'm sure you have many war memorials in Australia, too, often with the
names of local fallen soldiers. Do you think a statue of Hitler would
serve the purpose equally well?

[Tony Cooper]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.

There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.

Anyway, they moved the statue to a private cemetary at great expense
to the city. Then, at even more expense, they replaced it with some
modernistic sculpture that represents something-or-another.

The pidgeons must be dismayed because the new sculpture doesn't have
surfaces for perching.

[RH Draney]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.
Anyway, they moved the statue to a private cemetary at great expense
to the city. Then, at even more expense, they replaced it with some
modernistic sculpture that represents something-or-another.
The pidgeons must be dismayed because the new sculpture doesn't have
surfaces for perching.

In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we can
honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the practice to
the two-legged sort....r

[Peter Moylan]

Post by RH Draney
In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we
can honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the
practice to the two-legged sort....r

There's a club just outside Newcastle that has a statue of a giant
mosquito out in front. It's true that the mosquitoes out that way are
big, but I never thought of it as something to brag about.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:11:55 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by RH Draney
In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we
can honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the
practice to the two-legged sort....r

There's a club just outside Newcastle that has a statue of a giant
mosquito out in front. It's true that the mosquitoes out that way are
big, but I never thought of it as something to brag about.

We could send you a life-size statue of a Palmetto bug (cockroach)
that would kick your mosquito's ass.

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.

I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.

(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:11:55 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by RH Draney
In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we
can honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the
practice to the two-legged sort....r

There's a club just outside Newcastle that has a statue of a giant
mosquito out in front. It's true that the mosquitoes out that way are
big, but I never thought of it as something to brag about.

We could send you a life-size statue of a Palmetto bug (cockroach)
that would kick your mosquito's ass.
Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.
I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

My SO has a very effective strategum for dealing with mosquitos and other
"biting" insects; have me alongside - I'm much, much more attractive (as
far as the bugs are concerned, anyhow).

[Lewis]

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:11:55 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by RH Draney
In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we
can honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the
practice to the two-legged sort....r

There's a club just outside Newcastle that has a statue of a giant
mosquito out in front. It's true that the mosquitoes out that way are
big, but I never thought of it as something to brag about.

We could send you a life-size statue of a Palmetto bug (cockroach)
that would kick your mosquito's ass.
Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.
I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

My SO has a very effective strategum for dealing with mosquitos and other
"biting" insects; have me alongside - I'm much, much more attractive (as
far as the bugs are concerned, anyhow).

Hey, that's what my wife does too!

[Jerry Friedman]

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:19:33 PM UTC-7, Tony Cooper wrote:
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

[charles]

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite. (I'd make an exception for being
gored by an elephant's tusk.)

A search at Google Scholar confirms that scientists refer to mosquito bites,
e.g., Aikema et al., "A randomized clinical trial to compare /P. falciparum/
gametocytaemia and infectivity following blood-stage or mosquito
bite--induced controlled malaria infection," /The Journal of Infectious
Diseases/ 2020.

[Quinn C]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

Some people claim that bumble bees can bite you, but it seems to be an
urban legend. Their jaws aren't strong enough to do anything to us.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

Post by Quinn C
Some people claim that bumble bees can bite you, but it seems to be an
urban legend. Their jaws aren't strong enough to do anything to us.

If we're being pedantic, insects have mandibles, not jaws. But wait, our
lower jaws are called mandibles too. This is getting confusing.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I suppose it
also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the human louse, bed bugs,
ticks, and such?

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying what
mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

[Lewis]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I suppose it
also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the human louse, bed bugs,
ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I believe
bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Post by Jerry Friedman
In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying what
mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an etymologist.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I suppose it
also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the human louse, bed bugs,
ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I believe
bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Here's what ticks do. (Graphic details start around 2:30.) You can decide whether
that fits your definition of "bite".

http://insectlopedia.com/what-happens-when-tick-bites-you/

Bed bugs pierce the skin and suck blood with a beak.

Post by Lewis

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying what
mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an etymologist.

The first two uses of "bite" for an insect in the OED are

a1400 (▸a1325) /Cursor Mundi/ (Gött.) l. 5955 Hungri flies..þat bath þai
bat bath man and best.
1483 Caxton tr. J. de Voragine /Golden Legende /113/4 Saynt machaire
kylde a flee that bote hym.

Since there were no entomologists back then, we don't know what the
flies did, but fleas suck.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I suppose it
also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the human louse, bed bugs,
ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I believe
bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Here's what ticks do. (Graphic details start around 2:30.) You can decide whether
that fits your definition of "bite".
http://insectlopedia.com/what-happens-when-tick-bites-you/
Bed bugs pierce the skin and suck blood with a beak.

Post by Lewis

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying what
mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an etymologist.

The first two uses of "bite" for an insect in the OED are
a1400 (▸a1325) /Cursor Mundi/ (Gött.) l. 5955 Hungri flies..þat bath þai
bat bath man and best.
1483 Caxton tr. J. de Voragine /Golden Legende /113/4 Saynt machaire
kylde a flee that bote hym.
Since there were no entomologists back then, we don't know what the
flies did, but fleas suck.

I forgot to mention this early support for your definition of "bite":

1730 J. Southall /Treat. Buggs/ 19 This Sucking the Wound..is what we
improperly call biting us.

[CDB]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
Tony Cooper wrote: ...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not
"bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using
jaws to bite. That's what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is
part of their mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by
piercing it with a needle-like part of their body -
whether that's part of the mouth or not seems an
unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle,
to show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they
used to sting, but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but
have gotten used to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say
mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically
correct. Saying "bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I
suppose it also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the
human louse, bed bugs, ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I
believe bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Here's what ticks do. (Graphic details start around 2:30.) You can
decide whether that fits your definition of "bite".
http://insectlopedia.com/what-happens-when-tick-bites-you/
Bed bugs pierce the skin and suck blood with a beak.

Post by Lewis

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying
what mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an
etymologist.

The first two uses of "bite" for an insect in the OED are
a1400 (▸a1325) /Cursor Mundi/ (Gött.) l. 5955 Hungri flies..þat
bath þai bat bath man and best. 1483 Caxton tr. J. de Voragine
/Golden Legende /113/4 Saynt machaire kylde a flee that bote hym.
Since there were no entomologists back then, we don't know what
the flies did, but fleas suck.

"Bite" is just a figure of speech?

The pesky flies I have encountered (black-, horse-, deer-, no-see-um)
have been biters, using things like teeth to take a chunk out of you.
Deer-flies in particular have two large white triangular teeth that are
easy to see. (I admit I am taking the really small ones by analogy and
on trust.) They are not stealth predators, except maybe the
black-flies: their bites can be quite painful.

They are attracted to bright colours, especially blue. Wear earth
tones, is my advice.

Post by Jerry Friedman
I forgot to mention this early support for your definition of
1730 J. Southall /Treat. Buggs/ 19 This Sucking the Wound..is
what we improperly call biting us.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by CDB

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
Tony Cooper wrote: ...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not
"bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using
jaws to bite. That's what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is
part of their mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by
piercing it with a needle-like part of their body -
whether that's part of the mouth or not seems an
unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle,
to show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they
used to sting, but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but
have gotten used to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say
mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically
correct. Saying "bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I
suppose it also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the
human louse, bed bugs, ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I
believe bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Here's what ticks do. (Graphic details start around 2:30.) You can
decide whether that fits your definition of "bite".
http://insectlopedia.com/what-happens-when-tick-bites-you/
Bed bugs pierce the skin and suck blood with a beak.

Post by Lewis

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying
what mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an etymologist.

The first two uses of "bite" for an insect in the OED are
a1400 (▸a1325) /Cursor Mundi/ (Gött.) l. 5955 Hungri flies..þat
bath þai bat bath man and best. 1483 Caxton tr. J. de Voragine
/Golden Legende /113/4 Saynt machaire kylde a flee that bote hym.
Since there were no entomologists back then, we don't know what
the flies did, but fleas suck.

"Bite" is just a figure of speech?

AS the bishop said to the actress.

Post by CDB
The pesky flies I have encountered (black-, horse-, deer-, no-see-um)
have been biters, using things like teeth to take a chunk out of you.
Deer-flies in particular have two large white triangular teeth that are
easy to see. (I admit I am taking the really small ones by analogy and
on trust.) They are not stealth predators, except maybe the
black-flies: their bites can be quite painful.

It's hard to get a straight answer from the Web about exactly what these
beasts do. Deer flies and horse flies (Tabanidae) and black flies
(Simuliidae) are said to have scissor-like mouthparts that cut you so
they can lick up the blood. For no-see-ums (Ceratopogonidae), the
mechanism may not be known. Page 23 of this dissertation describes
a proposed mechanism that has "little abduction and adduction" of the
mandibles.

https://tigerprints.clemson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2002&context=all_dissertations

Post by CDB
They are attracted to bright colours, especially blue. Wear earth
tones, is my advice.

1730 J. Southall /Treat. Buggs/ 19 This Sucking the Wound..is
what we improperly call biting us.

More support:

https://paddling.com/learn/whats-bugging-you/

(which also quotes "The Blackfly Song" from North Ontar-i-o-i-o).

However, that's probably not from an entomologist, since it writes "blackfly".
Entomologists like to write "butterfly" and "dragonfly" because they're not
flies, but "black fly", "horse fly", and "house fly" because they are. This causes
problems with flies that are black but aren't black flies.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 20:13:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

I say "bite", but I don't think "bite" is technically correct. Saying
"bite" confuses no one.

I was about to post much the same thing.

I'm interested to see that so many people agree on this. I suppose it
also applies to fleas, sucking lice including the human louse, bed bugs,
ticks, and such?

Depends on if you know they bite or do not. ticks bite,a dn I believe
bedbugs do as well, but I am not sure.

Here's what ticks do. (Graphic details start around 2:30.) You can decide whether
that fits your definition of "bite".
http://insectlopedia.com/what-happens-when-tick-bites-you/
Bed bugs pierce the skin and suck blood with a beak.

Post by Lewis

In a bit of looking, I haven't yet seen an entomologist saying what
mosquitoes do is technically not biting.

Entomologist have nothing to do with it, you'd have to as an etymologist.

The first two uses of "bite" for an insect in the OED are
a1400 (▸a1325) /Cursor Mundi/ (Gött.) l. 5955 Hungri flies..þat bath þai
bat bath man and best.
1483 Caxton tr. J. de Voragine /Golden Legende /113/4 Saynt machaire
kylde a flee that bote hym.
Since there were no entomologists back then, we don't know what the
flies did, but fleas suck.

...so what could they do?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Quinn C

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.

What do venomous snakes do in German? In English they used to sting,
but now they bite.

The scorpion being the perfect example for exploring the contrast.

Post by Quinn C
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".

I wonder what the replacement is for people who say mosquitoes don't bite.

They suck. They really suck. And they whine, too.

Post by Quinn C
Some people claim that bumble bees can bite you, but it seems to be an
urban legend. Their jaws aren't strong enough to do anything to us.

If we're being pedantic, insects have mandibles, not jaws. But wait, our
lower jaws are called mandibles too. This is getting confusing.

[phil]

Post by Quinn C

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite.

In German, they sting. They make a hole in the skin by piercing it with
a needle-like part of their body - whether that's part of the mouth or
not seems an unnecessary distinction. That just out of principle, to
show that it can be argued either way.
I do expect a pincer movement when I hear "bite", but have gotten used
to "mosquito bite".
Some people claim that bumble bees can bite you, but it seems to be an
urban legend. Their jaws aren't strong enough to do anything to us.

I've been bitten (as opposed to stung) by a honey bee, many years ago.
It landed on my arm, wandered about a bit, and then nipped me with its
mandibles. Seemed more investigative than defensive or aggressive. It
didn't break the skin.

[Lewis]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by charles

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

They stick a hypodermic into you rather than using jaws to bite. That's
what midges do.

That distinction seems unnecessary. The hypodermic is part of their
mouth, so that makes the wound a bite. (I'd make an exception for being
gored by an elephant's tusk.)

I would agree with charles on this one, a bite requires a biting action,
not an injection.

Post by Jerry Friedman
A search at Google Scholar confirms that scientists refer to mosquito bites,
e.g., Aikema et al., "A randomized clinical trial to compare /P. falciparum/
gametocytaemia and infectivity following blood-stage or mosquito
bite--induced controlled malaria infection," /The Journal of Infectious
Diseases/ 2020.

Yes, because 'mosquito bite' is a compound that is understood and
predates anyone knowing what was actually happening.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.

Maybe, but I'm O and my wife is A, and we haven't noticed any difference.

Post by Jerry Friedman
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/

Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.

The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

You hope.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:39:19 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

You hope.

Fervantly.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:59:57 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:39:19 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

You hope.

Fervantly.

It takes a special talent to make a spelling mistake in a one-word
post.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:59:57 -0500, Tony Cooper

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:39:19 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:19:33 PM UTC-7, Tony Cooper
wrote: ...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite
will result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days.
No one else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that
is itches for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more
attracted to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks
the blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids
goes in opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me
will not bite me.

You hope.

Fervantly.

It takes a special talent to make a spelling mistake in a one-word
post.

Your [sic] a Humble Fervant?

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:39:19 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

You hope.

Fervantly.

I guess you don't have many vampires in Florida, but you can't be too careful.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:21:17 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:39:19 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.
Someone will stick a needle in my arm and inject something. The
mosquito sticks her needle-like probiscus into my body and sucks the
blood. Same approach initially, but the transfer of fluids goes in
opposite directions.
The injection I will receive should not cause a bump or itching
because there is no saliva transferred. The person injecting me will
not bite me.

You hope.

Fervantly.

I guess you don't have many vampires in Florida, but you can't be too careful.

They are concentrated in Tallahassee, our state capital. There are
two houses of them: the Senate and the House. They come out to suck
the blood from the taxpayers in the state.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:21:17 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I guess you don't have many vampires in Florida, but you can't be too careful.

They are concentrated in Tallahassee, our state capital. There are
two houses of them: the Senate and the House. They come out to suck
the blood from the taxpayers in the state.

Vampires don't suck, they lick.

It would be counterproductive to cause their hosts to die.

[b***@shaw.ca]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:21:17 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I guess you don't have many vampires in Florida, but you can't be too careful.

They are concentrated in Tallahassee, our state capital. There are
two houses of them: the Senate and the House. They come out to suck
the blood from the taxpayers in the state.

Vampires don't suck, they lick.
It would be counterproductive to cause their hosts to die.

Vampire lore has them going easily from one "host" to another. If your major
food source dies, the next one is readily available.

bill

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by b***@shaw.ca

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:21:17 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I guess you don't have many vampires in Florida, but you can't be too careful.

They are concentrated in Tallahassee, our state capital. There are
two houses of them: the Senate and the House. They come out to suck
the blood from the taxpayers in the state.

Vampires don't suck, they lick.
It would be counterproductive to cause their hosts to die.

Vampire lore has them going easily from one "host" to another. If your major
food source dies, the next one is readily available.

In Transylvania, maybe, but I was talking about actual bats ...

[Mark Brader]

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Sore shoulder - and an inexplicable yearning for pasta.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

Are masks required anywhere in your state? The vaccinated still need
to be masked, because while they presumably can't develop the disease,
they can still transmit (and receive) it.

[Jerry Friedman]

...

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

...

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state? The vaccinated still need
to be masked,

Yes.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
because while they presumably can't develop the disease,
they can still transmit (and receive) it.

No, because it's not known whether they can still get and transmit it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/12/956051995/why-you-should-still-wear-a-mask-and-avoid-crowds-after-getting-the-covid-19-vac

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Are masks required anywhere in your state? The vaccinated still need
to be masked,

Yes.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
because while they presumably can't develop the disease,
they can still transmit (and receive) it.

No, because it's not known whether they can still get and transmit it.

This "No" makes it unclear what the "Yes" was referring to.

Post by Jerry Friedman
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/12/956051995/why-you-should-still-wear-a-mask-and-avoid-crowds-after-getting-the-covid-19-vac

One of the TV medical consultants -- it may have been Dr. Max Gomez
on channel 2, or Dr. Jah on one of the networks, or some other M.D.,
who said that the vaccinated need to continue to mask because they can
still harbor the virus if they inhale it, and also pass it on if they exhale
it, even though it (presumably) can't affect them any more.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

Yes, I received a card with a record of the shot. I have no idea
where I should show it to anyone except when I appear for the second
shot. I did get a sticker like the "I voted" sticker, though.

The card was issued before I set an appointment for the second shot,
so it does not show the date of the second shot. The setting of the
appointment was done on my phone as the last step before leaving the
vaccination site. Appointments were available at 15-minute intervals,
but it took me three attempts before I was able to find a slot still
available.
My wife gets her shot later today. The appointment slots were so much
in demand that we were not able to get appointments on the same day,
and the site is on the opposite side of town from us. Advent Health
is using one of the parking areas at the Orlando airport. It's a sea
of tents set up for the process.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or business
in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the door saying
masks are required to enter.

There is no legal requirement, though. No law has been passed in
Florida to make that a requirement. There have been many instances of
stores and busineesses refusing to serve people without masks, but
stores and businesses can't enforce a requirement that is, in essence,
voluntary. I have seen very few people defy that requirement,
though.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

Yes, I received a card with a record of the shot. I have no idea
where I should show it to anyone

Anywhere that requires proof of immunization before allowing entry, duh.
Hopefully in a few weeks the numbers will be big enough to make that
feasible. Cuomo has initiated the steps for reopening theaters in NYS.
Broadway has suspended until at least June, but maybe the 99-seat
theaters will be able to get back to work.

Post by Tony Cooper
except when I appear for the second
shot. I did get a sticker like the "I voted" sticker, though.
The card was issued before I set an appointment for the second shot,
so it does not show the date of the second shot. The setting of the
appointment was done on my phone as the last step before leaving the
vaccination site. Appointments were available at 15-minute intervals,
but it took me three attempts before I was able to find a slot still
available.
My wife gets her shot later today. The appointment slots were so much
in demand that we were not able to get appointments on the same day,
and the site is on the opposite side of town from us. Advent Health
is using one of the parking areas at the Orlando airport. It's a sea
of tents set up for the process.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or business
in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the door saying
masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

Post by Tony Cooper
No law has been passed in
Florida to make that a requirement.

Are counties and municipalities prohibited from enacting such
laws? Several states have done that.

If so, it seems odd that private businesses would be allowed
to "infringe on the rights" of their populations.

Post by Tony Cooper
There have been many instances of
stores and busineesses refusing to serve people without masks, but
stores and businesses can't enforce a requirement that is, in essence,
voluntary. I have seen very few people defy that requirement,
though.

Then it's not a requirement, is it.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:01:24 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

Yes, I received a card with a record of the shot. I have no idea
where I should show it to anyone

Anywhere that requires proof of immunization before allowing entry, duh.

I know of no such place and have never heard of such a place. They
may exist in New Jersey or other states, but I have no intention of
visiting them.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Hopefully in a few weeks the numbers will be big enough to make that
feasible. Cuomo has initiated the steps for reopening theaters in NYS.
Broadway has suspended until at least June, but maybe the 99-seat
theaters will be able to get back to work.

Post by Tony Cooper
except when I appear for the second
shot. I did get a sticker like the "I voted" sticker, though.
The card was issued before I set an appointment for the second shot,
so it does not show the date of the second shot. The setting of the
appointment was done on my phone as the last step before leaving the
vaccination site. Appointments were available at 15-minute intervals,
but it took me three attempts before I was able to find a slot still
available.
My wife gets her shot later today. The appointment slots were so much
in demand that we were not able to get appointments on the same day,
and the site is on the opposite side of town from us. Advent Health
is using one of the parking areas at the Orlando airport. It's a sea
of tents set up for the process.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or business
in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the door saying
masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Yes, and the meaning is flexible. Without the word "legal" in front
of it, the word "requirement" has no meaning other than what the
requirer wants it to mean.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

Post by Tony Cooper
No law has been passed in
Florida to make that a requirement.

Are counties and municipalities prohibited from enacting such
laws? Several states have done that.

Tampa, some cities in Dade County, and Palm Beach County have mask
requirements, but are forbidden by Florida law to impose fines or
penalties for non-compliance. It's a toothless requirement.

You can guess how effective the requirement is when Mar-a-Lago is in
Palm Beach County. The club is not enforcing the requirement.

It's would be a very difficult law to enforce and would present
problems. The employees of a store or business could not enforce the
law. They would have to resort to calling the police on a violator.
The store or business would have to detain a violator for a lengthy
amount of time given the response time for non-violent calls.

I would certainly not want the McDs, Burger Kings, and other such
places to put their employees in the position of having to refuse
entry to maskless persons.

There is already an established right of a store or business to refuse
to accomodate any customer (with certain exceptions), so the most
effective response is for the store or business to simply refuse
service.

Even denying service would put employees in danger in a state where
the violator may be "packing".

Post by Peter T. Daniels
If so, it seems odd that private businesses would be allowed
to "infringe on the rights" of their populations.

Post by Tony Cooper
There have been many instances of
stores and busineesses refusing to serve people without masks, but
stores and businesses can't enforce a requirement that is, in essence,
voluntary. I have seen very few people defy that requirement,
though.

Then it's not a requirement, is it.

If you feel that way, it is another example of you not understanding
how our language is used.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:01:24 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but my
shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

Yes, I received a card with a record of the shot. I have no idea
where I should show it to anyone

Anywhere that requires proof of immunization before allowing entry, duh.

I know of no such place and have never heard of such a place. They

Were you too fucking lazy to look at the VERY NEXT SENTENCE????

When such a card does become a very useful possession, do you
look forward to waiting in some line somewhere for some number
of hours to get one?

Post by Tony Cooper
may exist in New Jersey or other states, but I have no intention of
visiting them.

No restaurants, no theaters, no malls, no stores for you, then!

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Hopefully in a few weeks the numbers will be big enough to make that
feasible. Cuomo has initiated the steps for reopening theaters in NYS.
Broadway has suspended until at least June, but maybe the 99-seat
theaters will be able to get back to work.

Post by Tony Cooper
except when I appear for the second
shot. I did get a sticker like the "I voted" sticker, though.
The card was issued before I set an appointment for the second shot,
so it does not show the date of the second shot. The setting of the
appointment was done on my phone as the last step before leaving the
vaccination site. Appointments were available at 15-minute intervals,
but it took me three attempts before I was able to find a slot still
available.
My wife gets her shot later today. The appointment slots were so much
in demand that we were not able to get appointments on the same day,
and the site is on the opposite side of town from us. Advent Health
is using one of the parking areas at the Orlando airport. It's a sea
of tents set up for the process.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or business
in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the door saying
masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Yes, and the meaning is flexible. Without the word "legal" in front
of it, the word "requirement" has no meaning other than what the
requirer wants it to mean.

Oh, fer chrissakes. Many of the little signs on businesses here
requiring the wearing of masks cite the number of the NJ code
or whatever it's called containing the requirement that's been
enacted.

Without the force of law, no such "requirement" could be enforced.

Back when restaurants had "No Smoking sections," what could
they do with someone who ignored that "requirement"?

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

Post by Tony Cooper
No law has been passed in
Florida to make that a requirement.

Are counties and municipalities prohibited from enacting such
laws? Several states have done that.

Tampa, some cities in Dade County, and Palm Beach County have mask
requirements, but are forbidden by Florida law to impose fines or
penalties for non-compliance. It's a toothless requirement.
You can guess how effective the requirement is when Mar-a-Lago is in
Palm Beach County. The club is not enforcing the requirement.

The sooner to get them all killed off!

Post by Tony Cooper
It's would be a very difficult law to enforce and would present
problems. The employees of a store or business could not enforce the
law. They would have to resort to calling the police on a violator.
The store or business would have to detain a violator for a lengthy
amount of time given the response time for non-violent calls.
I would certainly not want the McDs, Burger Kings, and other such
places to put their employees in the position of having to refuse
entry to maskless persons.

Yet somehow, ours manage to do it!

Not that anyone that's come to public attention has tried to go
maskless in an establishment in NJ.

Post by Tony Cooper
There is already an established right of a store or business to refuse
to accomodate any customer (with certain exceptions), so the most
effective response is for the store or business to simply refuse
service.
Even denying service would put employees in danger in a state where
the violator may be "packing".

Post by Peter T. Daniels
If so, it seems odd that private businesses would be allowed
to "infringe on the rights" of their populations.

Is that the beginning of a glimmer of recognition that NJ might
actually do some things better than some other states?

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
There have been many instances of
stores and busineesses refusing to serve people without masks, but
stores and businesses can't enforce a requirement that is, in essence,
voluntary. I have seen very few people defy that requirement,
though.

Then it's not a requirement, is it.

If you feel that way, it is another example of you not understanding
how our language is used.

If you only knew how foolish you sound when you attempt to mock
science.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 12:06:37 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
There have been many instances of
stores and busineesses refusing to serve people without masks, but
stores and businesses can't enforce a requirement that is, in essence,
voluntary. I have seen very few people defy that requirement,
though.

Then it's not a requirement, is it.

If you feel that way, it is another example of you not understanding
how our language is used.

If you only knew how foolish you sound when you attempt to mock
science.

From the primordial ooze of PTD's mind comes the laugh of the day.

There has been an evolution in our language, but word definition and
usage is not one of the sciences.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Tony Cooper
There has been an evolution in our language, but word definition and
usage is not one of the sciences.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

[Peter Moylan]

Back when restaurants had "No Smoking sections," what could they do
with someone who ignored that "requirement"?

If such people chose to refuse the request of the management, the other
customers used to help throw them out.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Peter Moylan

Back when restaurants had "No Smoking sections," what could they do
with someone who ignored that "requirement"?

If such people chose to refuse the request of the management, the other
customers used to help throw them out.

I wonder how that works out in places where some proportion of the
clientele are armed?

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or
business in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the
door saying masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

I read Tony's answer as a very clear "Yes". It is required by certain
businesses. Whether the state requires it is a different question.

Making it a state compulsory requirement might have saved a few lives if
it had been done early enough, but too many states chose to wait until
it became an unstoppable juggernaut.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or
business in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the
door saying masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

I read Tony's answer as a very clear "Yes". It is required by certain
businesses. Whether the state requires it is a different question.

What he _meant_ was perfectly clear. But it was utterly irrelevant
_in the context_: that good states require masks in public, and
red states do not.

Businesses have no authority to "require" anything. They can post
a sign. But they can't even summon the local constabulary to help
them enforce their own particular "requirement."

(Is "No Shoes No Shirt No Service" somehow enforced?)

Post by Peter Moylan
Making it a state compulsory requirement might have saved a few lives if

many

Post by Peter Moylan
it had been done early enough, but too many states chose to wait until
it became an unstoppable juggernaut.

And guess which color governors those states had!

[Quinn C]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 07:22:51 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Are masks required anywhere in your state?

Of course, but they are "required" to be in or at certain places by
the store or business. I can't recall going to any store or
business in the past few months that doesn't have a sign on the
door saying masks are required to enter.

Surely you know what "required" means.

Post by Tony Cooper
There is no legal requirement, though.

So the answer was not "of course," it was "No,."

I read Tony's answer as a very clear "Yes". It is required by certain
businesses. Whether the state requires it is a different question.

obAUEly, one of the stores I go to has worded its hand-written sign like
this (up for months now):

Not wearing mask will not be allowed to enter the store.

I assume there also won't be exceptions to not ignoring the sign.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19
vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

Done and dusted. Moderna administered, no allergic reaction, but
my shoulder is sore. Worth it, though.

Do you get a wallet card so you can show your status? With the date
for your 3-4-week return date?

I'm planning to ask that question when Australian vaccinations start. At
least one airline has foreshadowed introducing a rule that unvaccinated
people won't be admitted. I'm expecting others to introduce such a rule,
so proof of vaccination will be important.

Of course, nobody has yet worked out what expiry date should be on the
certification.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

I'd say this one is relevant here:
https://xkcd.com/2390/

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

ROTFLMAO.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 01:28:37 GMT, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

ROTFLMAO.

Just occasionally D^ni^ls comes up with a gem!

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

This illustrates one of the problems of ambiguity in American English
(and modern colloquial spoken French), the merging of the perfect and
the preterite. In British English "I have fallen down a hole" is
unambiguously different from "I fell down a hole", which no one would
use, as in the xkcd cartoon, to describe the situation as it is now.

[CDB]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19
vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The floor of the hole you were in when you fell?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19
vaccination.

Hip, hip, hurray! ObXkcd: http://xkcd.com/2409/

How so?

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a hole"?
It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

No, not a joke at all. "In" is the equivalent of Latin in+ablative,
into is the equivalent of Latin in+accusative.

In edited British prose I sometimes see "in to" where "into"
is called for, so that may be part of the strange reaction
seen below from the Ozzie and above from a Brit.

But can they really use "in" for in+accusative?

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The floor of the hole you were in when you fell?
http://youtu.be/J6shajqIEFQ

[Peter Moylan]

Post by CDB

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a
hole"? It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The joke in the xkcd strip is that one person was asking for help, and a
pedant missed the point and started quibbling about the wording instead.
(Which sometimes happens in AUE.)

I was laughing at the response that missed the joke and quibbled about
the wording.

[Snidely]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by CDB

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a
hole"? It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The joke in the xkcd strip is that one person was asking for help, and a
pedant missed the point and started quibbling about the wording instead.
(Which sometimes happens in AUE.)
I was laughing at the response that missed the joke and quibbled about
the wording.

Or got the joke and expanded the quibbling in the same spirit.

/dps

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Snidely

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by CDB

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a
hole"? It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The joke in the xkcd strip is that one person was asking for help, and a
pedant missed the point and started quibbling about the wording instead.
(Which sometimes happens in AUE.)
I was laughing at the response that missed the joke and quibbled about
the wording.

Or got the joke and expanded the quibbling in the same spirit.

Either way, it deserved a laugh.

[CDB]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by CDB

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
https://xkcd.com/2390/

Who says that "fell in a hole" is equivalent to "fell down a
hole"? It could be "fell into a hole."

Joke? Whooshed, me.

Post by Peter Moylan
ROTFLMAO.

The joke in the xkcd strip is that one person was asking for help,
and a pedant missed the point and started quibbling about the wording
instead. (Which sometimes happens in AUE.)
I was laughing at the response that missed the joke and quibbled
about the wording.

Ah. Thank you. I did get that one.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

[Lewis]

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 05:02:03 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

My wife got her first shot today. It took us one hour and five
minutes door-to-door to get to the site, but we were done there in
about 20 minutes. Short line, but some paperwork has to be filled out
and it took awhile to navigate the system on her phone to set the
second shot date. No charge to either of us.

My second appointment is on February 19th and my wife's is on
February 21st. However, we were told that if we both show up on the
19th they will give us both the second shot unless they are short on
doses that day for the other appointments.

There are several locations for shots much nearer to us, but the one
we went to is the one our health care provider uses.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 10:31:17 PM UTC-7, Tony Cooper wrote:
...

My wife got her first shot today. It took us one hour and five
minutes door-to-door to get to the site, but we were done there in
about 20 minutes. Short line,

So you couldn't do any Reading?

but some paperwork has to be filled out
and it took awhile to navigate the system on her phone to set the
second shot date. No charge to either of us.

...

Maybe it's similar in Pennsylvania. And I hope you weren't in line next to someone
with bad B&O.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 07:37:19 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

My wife got her first shot today. It took us one hour and five
minutes door-to-door to get to the site, but we were done there in
about 20 minutes. Short line,

So you couldn't do any Reading?

Actually, I did some small-r reading. I drove my wife to the site,
but took advantage of the Chance to read for the 20 minutes it took
for her to go through the process.

Post by Jerry Friedman

but some paperwork has to be filled out
and it took awhile to navigate the system on her phone to set the
second shot date. No charge to either of us.

...
Maybe it's similar in Pennsylvania. And I hope you weren't in line next to someone
with bad B&O.

You do not have a monoply on obscure word play.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 07:37:19 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 10:31:17 PM UTC-7, Tony Cooper
wrote: ...

My wife got her first shot today. It took us one hour and five
minutes door-to-door to get to the site, but we were done there in
about 20 minutes. Short line,

So you couldn't do any Reading?

Actually, I did some small-r reading. I drove my wife to the site,
but took advantage of the Chance to read for the 20 minutes it took
for her to go through the process.

Post by Jerry Friedman

but some paperwork has to be filled out
and it took awhile to navigate the system on her phone to set the
second shot date. No charge to either of us.

...
Maybe it's similar in Pennsylvania. And I hope you weren't in line
next to someone with bad B&O.

You do not have a monoply on obscure word play.

Board yet?

[Ken Blake]

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

My wife got her first shot today. It took us one hour and five
minutes door-to-door to get to the site, but we were done there in
about 20 minutes. Short line,

So you couldn't do any Reading?

but some paperwork has to be filled out
and it took awhile to navigate the system on her phone to set the
second shot date. No charge to either of us.

...
Maybe it's similar in Pennsylvania. And I hope you weren't in line next to someone
with bad B&O.

It took me a while to understand, but I finally noticed the capital "R."

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

If you're still alive. I hope so.

[Jerry Friedman]

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

If you're still alive.

And no disastrous problem has come up with the vaccines, and we're not having
a civil war, etc. As I said, I'm /pretty/ confident.

Post by Ken Blake
I hope so.

Thank you, and I hope you are too.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

If you're still alive.

And no disastrous problem has come up with the vaccines, and we're not having
a civil war, etc. As I said, I'm /pretty/ confident.

No, I didn't mean the vaccine might kill you. I meant you might die of
Covid-19 before the end of the ear.

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Ken Blake
I hope so.

Thank you, and I hope you are too.

Thank you too.

[Lanarcam]

Post by Ken Blake
No, I didn't mean the vaccine might kill you. I meant you might die of
Covid-19 before the end of the ear.

I did not know that the virus was attacking the ears.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Lanarcam

Post by Ken Blake
No, I didn't mean the vaccine might kill you. I meant you might die of
Covid-19 before the end of the ear.

I did not know that the virus was attacking the ears.

Oops. I catch most typos, but obviously not all.

[Quinn C]

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

If you're still alive.

And no disastrous problem has come up with the vaccines, and we're not having
a civil war, etc. As I said, I'm /pretty/ confident.

No, I didn't mean the vaccine might kill you.

It doesn't have to be that. If there are serious, non-fatal side
effects, the vaccination program might be delayed.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Quinn C

Post by Ken Blake

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:32:01 AM UTC-7, Ken Blake

Post by Ken Blake

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 10:02:06 PM UTC-7, Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry

Post by Jerry Friedman
On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 10:19:33 PM UTC-7,
Tony Cooper wrote: ...

Post by Tony Cooper
Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito
bites. A bite will result in a large and painful
swelling that lasts for days. No one else in my
family has this problem. They get a bite that is
itches for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos
are more attracted to humans that have B blood
type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.

Post by Quinn C

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Tony Cooper
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/

Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

Post by Quinn C

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake
No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in
line" form at Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their
website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our
providers don't have separate registration.) I'm pretty
confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this year.

If you're still alive.

And no disastrous problem has come up with the vaccines, and
we're not having a civil war, etc. As I said, I'm /pretty/
confident.

No, I didn't mean the vaccine might kill you.

It doesn't have to be that. If there are serious, non-fatal side
effects, the vaccination program might be delayed.

One very promising Australian vaccine was abandoned because the people
who received it gave false positives on HIV tests. If it had been rolled
out to the whole population, it would have worked, but it would have
completely undermined HIV testing.

[Quinn C]

Post by Peter Moylan
One very promising Australian vaccine was abandoned because the people
who received it gave false positives on HIV tests. If it had been rolled
out to the whole population, it would have worked, but it would have
completely undermined HIV testing.

I hadn't heard that. There should be a way around that, but I see they
say it would probably take a long time.

[Snidely]

On Thursday or thereabouts, Jerry Friedman asked ...

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman

Post by Jerry Friedman
...

Drifting a bit...I am highly reactive to mosquito bites. A bite will
result in a large and painful swelling that lasts for days. No one
else in my family has this problem. They get a bite that is itches
for a few hours and goes away.
I recently saw an article that said that mosquitos are more attracted
to humans that have B blood type than the other types.

This article says they're more attracted to type O.
https://www.healthline.com/health/mosquito-blood-type

I am AB-negative, and the only family member that is.
(Yes, I know mosquitoes don't "bite".)

New to me. In what sense do mosquitoes not "bite"?

https://www.mrmr.biz/mosquito-bite-mosquitoes-bite-sting/
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't
have separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated
sometime this year.

If you're still alive.

And no disastrous problem has come up with the vaccines, and we're not having
a civil war, etc. As I said, I'm /pretty/ confident.

Post by Ken Blake
I hope so.

Thank you, and I hope you are too.

I think I see that a single-shot vaccine is doing well in testing.
Johnson&Johnson? Yeah, it looks like it.

One of the reasons for having multiple vaccines is to have lots of
doses available.

/dps

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Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Lewis

Post by Ken Blake

Post by Tony Cooper
Later today I am scheduled to have my first Covid 19 vaccination.

No appointment yet, but I hope to get one next week.

No appointment here either, but I filled out the "get in line" form at
Kaiser earlier today (well, "at" their website).

I filled out the state form for New Mexico last week. (Our providers don't have
separate registration.) I'm pretty confident I'll get vaccinated sometime this
year.

I'm not in priority groups 1-6, so there's no timetable or application
available yet. In fact I'm in group 10, "rest of the adult population".

So it'll take a while. I hope the speed will ramp up, because at the
current rate, they won't get through the whole population before 2023.

[Lewis]

Post by RH Draney

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.
Anyway, they moved the statue to a private cemetary at great expense
to the city. Then, at even more expense, they replaced it with some
modernistic sculpture that represents something-or-another.
The pidgeons must be dismayed because the new sculpture doesn't have
surfaces for perching.

In Enterprise, Alabama stands a monument to the boll weevil...if we can
honor insect pests I don't see why we couldn't extend the practice to
the two-legged sort....r

The statue exists because the weevil caused them to switch crops to the
more profitable peanut from the weevil's preferred food, cotton.

[CDB]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or
bad, it's the past we have, and denying it could have the
side-effect of making people forget about evils that should be
remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown
parks here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times
and never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in
one in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.
Anyway, they moved the statue to a private cemetary at great expense
to the city. Then, at even more expense, they replaced it with some
modernistic sculpture that represents something-or-another.
The pidgeons must be dismayed because the new sculpture doesn't have
surfaces for perching.

Not to mention doing their business.

[Lewis]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.

Is Orlando that white? datausa.io says Orlando is about 25% black, so
I'd guess about 25% of people on Orlando absolutely knew the statue
celebrated a traitor who defended slavery. I mean, I'm just guessing.

If you are talking about the "Johnny Reb" statue, I guarantee you that
statue is quite recognizable to a lot of people across the country
because similar ones exist all over the place. My wife went to South
High School here in Denver where the nickname was "Rebels" and the
school mascot was "Johnny Reb" and looked very similar to that statue.

I've never been in that park in Orlando, but had I been in it when we
were last in Orlando I would have recognized it and so would my wife and
so would our kids and so would my father-in-law who also went to South
and had she been alive so would HIS mother who ALSO went to South. One
of my wife's year book cover has a picture of "Johnny Reb" and a treason
flag motif on it.

(South High School has changed their nickname and mascot a fee years
ago, but I forget what too. Griffons, perhaps?)

I believe they voted to remove the "Johnny Reb" mascot around ten years
ago as I remember seeing it had been removed from the front hallway
when we were there visiting in cause our eldest ended up at South, but
they kept the nickname "Rebels", thought at changed last year.

Griffons make sense as there is a griffon prominently displayed above
the main doors.

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[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 08:53:32 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.

Is Orlando that white? datausa.io says Orlando is about 25% black, so
I'd guess about 25% of people on Orlando absolutely knew the statue
celebrated a traitor who defended slavery. I mean, I'm just guessing.

What has the the black population in Orlando to do with knowing who it
is a statue of?

You think that every black in Orlando frequents that particular park?

[Lewis]

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 08:53:32 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.

Is Orlando that white? datausa.io says Orlando is about 25% black, so
I'd guess about 25% of people on Orlando absolutely knew the statue
celebrated a traitor who defended slavery. I mean, I'm just guessing.

What has the the black population in Orlando to do with knowing who it
is a statue of?

Hmm... let's think about this. Why would black citizens be more likely
to recognize that a statue honors slavery and treason. Let's have
a good long think on this.

Post by Tony Cooper
You think that every black in Orlando frequents that particular park?

I would not be at all surprised if they specifically avoided it.

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Post by Lewis

Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 08:53:32 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

Post by Lewis

Post by Tony Cooper
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:13:36 +1100, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
Personally, I'm opposed to erasing the relics of the past. Good or bad,
it's the past we have, and denying it could have the side-effect of
making people forget about evils that should be remembered.

One of the current controversies in the US is over the removal of
statues of Confederate Civil War generals.
There was a statue of a Civil War general in one of the downtown parks
here in Orlando. I've walked by that statue hundreds of times and
never noticed the plaque that identified the general. I doubt in one
in a hundred other visitors to the park knew who it was.

Is Orlando that white? datausa.io says Orlando is about 25% black, so
I'd guess about 25% of people on Orlando absolutely knew the statue
celebrated a traitor who defended slavery. I mean, I'm just guessing.

What has the the black population in Orlando to do with knowing who it
is a statue of?

Hmm... let's think about this. Why would black citizens be more likely
to recognize that a statue honors slavery and treason. Let's have
a good long think on this.

| [Jefferson Memorial]
| John Biewen: It's impressive. It's inspiring. I think the first time I was there, which was
| probably 20, 25 years ago, I don't think it literally gave me chills but figuratively. I
| remember being quite inspired, as I am by the Lincoln Memorial.
| Chenjerai Kumanyika: I imagine I would get chills, too. You know what I mean?
| [Biewen laughs.] But it would probably be a different kind of chills, like ‘I'm standing
| under the statue of a rapist, slave owning, white supremacist’ chills. [Laughter.]

<http://www.sceneonradio.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/SeeingWhite_Part4Transcript.pdf>

Post by Lewis

Post by Tony Cooper
You think that every black in Orlando frequents that particular park?

I would not be at all surprised if they specifically avoided it.

This whole project is pretty good:
<http://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/>

| Where did the notion of “whiteness” come from? What does it mean? What
| is whiteness for?