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Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
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TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
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Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
So what? Jean Hill stated on 11/22/63 that there was a dog in the car
sitting between Jackie and JFK. Eyewitness recollections can often be
wrong. It doesn't mean they're lying, nor does it mean that anything they
recall was actually the was it was.
As I said, Euins DID make a mistake, but "colored" was not it....
You expect the Dealey Plaza witnesses
Post by InsideSpartato have photographic memories, and if their recollections are incorrect
(like whether or not the 6th floor window was fully open or not) they must
lying. Of course, that rule only applies to those witnesses who's
testimony damages your belief in Oswald's innocence.
Not mine anymore.... (And I always believed that Oswald at least had a
small role in the assassination.) See my post "The Omnipresent Oswald".
Well, let me save you the trouble of looking:
The Omnipresent Oswald
Lee Harvey Oswald seemed to be everywhere just after 12:30pm, Nov. 22,
1963. Depository front entrance (Harry Holmes, as per Oswald). Small
room on the ground floor (Ochus Campbell). First floor (reporter Kent
Biffle, as apparently per Roy Truly). First floor lunch room (Homicide
Capt. Fritz, as per Oswald). Second floor (Officer Marrion Baker &
Truly). Third or fourth floor (Baker's initial affidavit). Fourth floor
(DPD Det. Marvin Johnson, as per Baker, in the Homicide Bureau).
I have to vote for Johnson. (Although the Biffle-Truly connection is
still tantalizing.) If Baker and Truly did not run into Oswald before
reaching the fourth floor, then it follows that Oswald was in no hurry to
get out of the building, and he was supposed to have been. He was, after
all, an employee there. And--more importantly--he had assurances that he
could not be fingered. He was safe--or felt that he was safe.
The key: The baffling, pre-assassination antics of the sniper.
Witnesses Ron Fischer, Carolyn Walther, and Howard Brennan all described a
man behaving very strangely for someone who was about to shoot the
President. Fischer could even see his "sport shirt and slacks" and said
that he was "laying down there or in a funny position anyway"; Brennan
said that the man "sat sideways", at one point, "on the window sill"; Mrs.
Walther said that the man was "leaning out the window with both his hands
extended outside the window ledge". The shooter-in-waiting not only found
himself in the public eye--he seemed to seek it out. Why was he not,
instead, doing his best to conceal himself?
Answer: Because the Dallas Police would, a short time later, need an APB
re a slender white male. And they were not going to get a witness
description to that effect either during or immediately after the
shooting--when the gun could be pinpointed and gunfire could be
returned--when the man would all but disappear into the shadows. The APB
material would have to be gathered BEFORE the shooting. And it could come
from no one and nowhere else. Yes, the key to the assassination of
President Kennedy lay in the minute or two before the assassination. And
that minute or two of performance art betrays coordination, coordination
between this high-wire artist and, at least, the Dallas Police. No
performance, no Fischer, Walther, and Brennan, no basis for the APB, even
in retrospect.
Best to ignore the photos of the depository facade prepared expressly, I
maintain, for the Warren Commission. Trust more to belatedly published
material like the Powell slide. And note, here, that Brennan (counsel
David Belin's star witness) testified that he did not see anyone in the
fifth-floor end window, the window which purported witness Harold Norman
was supposed to have occupied. The Powell reflects Brennan's testimony;
the Dillard telephoto shot does not. Then, note that, although Brennan
came to think that he saw the shooter on the sixth floor, he maintained
that that window was open wide, "just like the windows on the fifth floor,
immediately below". Fischer echoed Brennan when he testified that he
could not have seen as much of the man if the window were not fully open.
Norman's striking absence from the end window on the fifth floor--in
testimony (Brennan) photography (the Powell slide), and Norman's own
account (at least until the next Tuesday, Nov. 26th; before that, he seems
not to have made any statement at all about the fifth floor)--Norman's
absence leaves a vacancy. A suspect at a wide-open end window--described
in the respective testimonies of Brennan, Fischer, and Bob
Edwards--handily fills that vacancy.
It had to happen on the fifth floor. The man who was acting, before
12:30, like he hadn't a care in the world, could do so because he knew
that he was far enough above the crowd to avoid positive IDs, and because
any photograph taken of either him or his rifle would have to be
suppressed: The infamous "sniper's nest", on the sixth floor, would
absorb the world's attention. A photo of a rifle on the fifth floor would
have to be squelched, or there might seem to be TWO "sniper's nests".
The sniper's pre-12:30 antics in the window rule out the sixth floor--no
assurances there for a shooter, whose window-sill antics could have been
photographed, and the photographs published--no problem, at least for the
assassination organizers.
I find myself forced, finally, to reject all first-floor sightings of
Oswald circa 12:31. (If it could be proved that Truly was indeed Biffle's
source, I might have to reconsider.) All he had to do--in that
situation--in order to latch onto an alibi, was to step outside (as
maintained elsewhere) or maybe create a little scene, at 12:31, like he
did in Capt. Fritz's office, later. Or, rushing out, he might happen run
into a cop--or someone looking for a restroom--at the front door, rushing
in. In fact, the cop was apparently Oswald's alibi, as per Holmes. The
conspirators absolutely could not allow for such chance encounters.
In order, then, to be a perfect patsy, Oswald would also had to have been
the fifth-floor shooter, and model for the police apb. It was a
prerequisite.
In a near-surreal incident that day, Oswald all but admitted that he was
the assassin. But Warren Report believers and skeptics alike are
uncomfortable with the admission, because it offers much to both sides.
According to bus driver Cecil McWatters' same-day affidavit, at about
12:45, a man on his bus who resembled Oswald said that the "president was
shot in the temple". McWatters later recanted and named one Roy Milton
Jones as the man. However, Jones told the FBI that he was on a bus which
was boarded by police and held up for an hour--it was not McWatters' 12:45
bus, then, which he was on. In fact, Jones told the FBI that no one on
his bus said anything about anyone being "shot in the temple", while the
phrase was spoken at least twice on McWatters' bus, first by Oswald, then
by McWatters himself. Goodbye, Jones; hello, again, Oswald.
The "temple" speaker, then, was, after all, Oswald, whom McWatters ID'd in
a lineup 11/22/63. At 12:45, very few people could have said what he
said. But this incriminating witness evidence was also--in another part
of the forest--exculpating evidence: If Oswald was on McWatters' bus as
far as Marsalis, in Oak Cliff--and, in his affidavit, McWatters said that
he was--then he could not have gotten there in time to shoot Officer J.D.
Tippit. Guilty on one count, innocent on the other. Cold comfort for
skeptics and believers alike.
dcw