Thailand, Laos in talks over 26 Hmong children from refugee camp

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Don't you dare to forget The Hmong were allied with
the United States during the Vietnam War and formed
a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when
the war spilled into Laos.
Ya Leoum Wah Hao Pen Nuck Soob Deur....he he he..

Laphua


BANGKOK (AFP) - Twenty-six Hmong children who were expelled from
Thailand last month have been found in neighboring Laos, and the two
governments are discussing ways to reunite them with their parents
living in a refugee camp, the United Nations said.

"The children are in Laos," said Bhairaja Panday, deputy regional
representative for Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam at the UN High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). "The issue (over their reunion) has
been raised by both governments," Panday said.

The children, boys and girls aged between 14 and 20, had been living in
a refugee camp for the Hmong ethnic minority in northeastern Thailand's
Phetchabun province bordering Laos.

But last month Thailand expelled them as well as one adult, in secret
and for unknown reasons. Several foreign sources said they were
arrested under the pretext that they had strayed outside the camp
precincts.

Panday declined to say how the Hmong children ended up in Laos but said
Thailand and Laos were negotiating ways to help them reunite with their
parents at the refugee camp.

"We have been urging both governments to find a way out of this. We
would like that to happen as soon as possible because they are
children," he said.

"We have heard that some kids need some kind of medical attention. We
just have heard that some of them are maybe malnourished."

The Hmong were allied with the United States during the Vietnam War and
formed a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when the
war spilled into Laos. When the US withdrew in 1975, many Hmong feared
persecution and fled to Thailand, where they have lived in refugee
camps

[dougismooth]

Nak Soob? I think they all died. They can't find any of those things
in the refugee camp.

Send them back to Laos PDR? They have to start a new life again. Sad
story!

Smooth

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Why innocent children have to be used by both countries in such
absurdity? One cpountry deported and one country NOT seen these
children - and these children only re-appear from thin air after more
than one month in Laos?
Could such action applicable to a Laolum or a Thai group of children?

Are these children NOT Lao citizen in the first place?

This issue is really beyond any human comprehension!

Pao

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Why innocent children have to be used by both countries in such
absurdity? One cpountry deported and one country NOT seen these
children - and these children only re-appear from thin air after more
than one month in Laos?
Could such action applicable to a Laolum or a Thai group of children?
Are these children NOT Lao citizen in the first place?
This issue is really beyond any human comprehension!
Pao

-----------------
DP,
I do believe those children are Lao citizen, but I don't think
LPDR want to separated them from their parents, also it's
better if they can reunite with their relatives in America...

Laophuan

[thanouxay]

Dear Dr. Pao,

Life is complicated, complex, rude and ugly sometime but hopefully not
as bad all the time.
This is a fact of life and we have to live with it.

You ask people around the world and first of all those bandit of Moua
Toua Ther group to stop using kids
as armed bandits who shot on everybody passing by and then maybe the
situation will be a bit better. You also
ask those ill-intended group to stop training kids as spy and messenger
boys then maybe there will no more have
this kind of manipulation of kids and particularly young girlds as
human shield to hide spies they trained and send to Laos to commit
crime against peaceful people of Laos who only ask to live in peace.

Don't just only cry... It should never bring you anywhere. Start
talking to your Hmong friends and maybe this would make them becoming
more reasonable.

Sok dee

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Dear Thanouxay,

Thanks for your clarification on the missing children.

Are you SIGNALLING that you will be prepare to sit down to talk with me
or any one else on the otherside of the Mekong river for the betterment
of Laos? ALWAYS remember that there are TWO sides of a coin - NEVER be
blind of that!

Thanouxay, life can be as simple as we make it to be. There are a lot
that we can do together & I will do what I can but you must be prepare
to stand up on your conviction and move away from the rhectorics and be
able to speak with your HEART then.. we will be able to have a
CONSTRUCTIVE dialogue..

You are a good person but so far, I must say as a friend, that what you
are saying here and elsewhere are inconsistent to your character! I
don't want to point out the fact (that you already know well) to you or
any one else, but you just have to read your own statement in your post
or in your Press Statement to see what I mean.

If you are for real, let's talk it REAL. If Moua Toua Ther is a
bandit, and if you and I accept that label then YOU are even MORE than
a bandit as well. You need to understand that as this is just part of
natural law - a part of life. You can demonstrate this simple fact by
simple pointing your index finger at Moua Toua Ther and you note that
there are THREE fingers pointing at YOU! WOW!!! Who is more bandit?
Hence, this is your first lesson in life, if you think that life is
complicated! And furthermore, a potential Ambassador cannot go on
pointing fingers!

I'll be happy to have dialogue with any concern person as along as you
understand where you are willing and ready to discuss these issue -
either personally or at the national or international level - you name
it... so the ball is back at your court, my dear old Lycee friend.

Pao

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Dear Thanouxay,
Thanks for your clarification on the missing children.
Are you SIGNALLING that you will be prepare to sit down to talk with me
or any one else on the otherside of the Mekong river for the betterment
of Laos? ALWAYS remember that there are TWO sides of a coin - NEVER be
blind of that!
Thanouxay, life can be as simple as we make it to be. There are a lot
that we can do together & I will do what I can but you must be prepare
to stand up on your conviction and move away from the rhectorics and be
able to speak with your HEART then.. we will be able to have a
CONSTRUCTIVE dialogue..
You are a good person but so far, I must say as a friend, that what you
are saying here and elsewhere are inconsistent to your character! I
don't want to point out the fact (that you already know well) to you or
any one else, but you just have to read your own statement in your post
or in your Press Statement to see what I mean.
If you are for real, let's talk it REAL. If Moua Toua Ther is a
bandit, and if you and I accept that label then YOU are even MORE than
a bandit as well. You need to understand that as this is just part of
natural law - a part of life. You can demonstrate this simple fact by
simple pointing your index finger at Moua Toua Ther and you note that
there are THREE fingers pointing at YOU! WOW!!! Who is more bandit?
Hence, this is your first lesson in life, if you think that life is
complicated! And furthermore, a potential Ambassador cannot go on
pointing fingers!
I'll be happy to have dialogue with any concern person as along as you
understand where you are willing and ready to discuss these issue -
either personally or at the national or international level - you name
it... so the ball is back at your court, my dear old Lycee friend.
Pao

-------------------------------
Dr Pao where's the hot-shot FFC?
how come they don't have any picture of
those 27 kids to cut and paste?
Why Thai police arrested only Hmong kids
but not adult Hmong?
Why Thai police forced Hmong kid to swim accross
the Mekong River 3-4km wide, instate of deported them
through friendship bridge gate?
Are Thai police really deported them to Laos
or send them to somewhere else?

Laophuan

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Laophuan,
Are you retarded or not?
I just cannot imagine that someone like yourself would insult your own
intelligencve to this extent, my dear friend!!

Has it ever occur to you that 29 children were sent across the Mekong
to Laos and NO ONE on the Lao side- all those border security in LPDR,
Marxy-Lenny trained in Vietnam - yes... no one have seen them crossing
to Laos? Is the Lao border security that bad? Is Laos' security that
BAD???

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Laophuan,
Are you retarded or not?
I just cannot imagine that someone like yourself would insult your own
intelligencve to this extent, my dear friend!!
Has it ever occur to you that 29 children were sent across the Mekong
to Laos and NO ONE on the Lao side- all those border security in LPDR,
Marxy-Lenny trained in Vietnam - yes... no one have seen them crossing
to Laos? Is the Lao border security that bad? Is Laos' security that
BAD???

-----------------------------
26 not 29 Doc, it show high milage of yourself
he he he ...non of them play Khongheunnoy near
Mekong River, no wonder our Konglone never
saw any of them.
How ever i feel relief to see them alive
and thank to the FFC for this time
no cut and paste....

Laophuan

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Laophuan...

Yeah... you are RIGHT... now only 26 people...
I don't know the EXACT number.
BUT the initial list of names has 29 people on it... then 27 people...
and now 26!.
See the full list at:
http://www.lexicon.net/~lis01085/lao/Letter%20to%20UN%20-%20re-%2029%20Hmong%20children%20arrested.doc

We just have to wait to see HOW MANY people are found at the end. May
be less than 26, may be more!!! Who knows?

Pao

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

Doc, as you know sometime two peoples one name,
sometime two firstname no last name, sometime
you remember their face but not their names,
sometime you just ate and complain no body cook food
for you...that's oldman...

Laophuan

[joom]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Laophuan,
Are you retarded or not?
I just cannot imagine that someone like yourself would insult your own
intelligencve to this extent, my dear friend!!
Has it ever occur to you that 29 children were sent across the Mekong
to Laos and NO ONE on the Lao side- all those border security in LPDR,
Marxy-Lenny trained in Vietnam - yes... no one have seen them crossing
to Laos? Is the Lao border security that bad? Is Laos' security that
BAD???

Nyob zoo.. I am a young Hmong student from Chiang Mai, Thailand, just
want to give a share with you about this issue.

it has been confimed by the organiser of the Christmas Party, that
those children were going to join, that some of these children have
arrived in Laos. Some Hm boys called her from a jail in Laos. sadly, no
one hear from the girls and an adult (hm missionary).
What should we do to help them??

Has there been any actions taken already by any of our Hm friends here?
Sorry that we Hm in Thailand are not so updated on this....

one more thing, I last Sunday, 5 Feb, watched a Thai TV program about
the murder of one of Laos prince and pricess in Nong Khai, Thailand a
couple of months ago. in this prog they also interviewed the secretary
of Thai Foreign ministry about this issue and he seemed to know very
well about the issue as well as our Hm people. he even know what some
of our hm brothers been doing in the past years up til now.

the prog also gave a report of the murdered persons killed in North
eastern of Thailand and many of them, 80%, were our Hm brothers.

so Hm brothers, please be careful whenever you come here to Thailand
and whatever you do here. you might be in danger.

I am at least happy that I could share some with you.

[thanouxay]

ລາວ ພວນ ແລະ
ທ່ານທີ່ເຄົາຣົບທັງຫລາຍ,

Thanks to FFC on the following link: http://www.factfinding.org
We came to notice that among those forced to be deported by Thai
Police, there is a leader and that Zoua Yang who became Minister of
Seven Day Catholic Church.

Out of that the picture put by FFC shows kids behind the bars in a Thai
jail in Amphur Khao Kho, Phetchaboun province.

What they fail to tell us is how the kids had been deported? Did they
forced them to swim accross the Mekong river or crossed them by boat up
to Lao border side??? You may notice that they are fucking around with
life of young girlds without any scruspule by putting their life at
risk.

At my knowledge, thanks to its consistent humanitarian policy, if the
kids were found in Laos, they will be well taken care of and will be
helped to reunite with their family.

Sok

Post by ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Dear Thanouxay,
Thanks for your clarification on the missing children.
Are you SIGNALLING that you will be prepare to sit down to talk with me
or any one else on the otherside of the Mekong river for the betterment
of Laos? ALWAYS remember that there are TWO sides of a coin - NEVER be
blind of that!
Thanouxay, life can be as simple as we make it to be. There are a lot
that we can do together & I will do what I can but you must be prepare
to stand up on your conviction and move away from the rhectorics and be
able to speak with your HEART then.. we will be able to have a
CONSTRUCTIVE dialogue..
You are a good person but so far, I must say as a friend, that what you
are saying here and elsewhere are inconsistent to your character! I
don't want to point out the fact (that you already know well) to you or
any one else, but you just have to read your own statement in your post
or in your Press Statement to see what I mean.
If you are for real, let's talk it REAL. If Moua Toua Ther is a
bandit, and if you and I accept that label then YOU are even MORE than
a bandit as well. You need to understand that as this is just part of
natural law - a part of life. You can demonstrate this simple fact by
simple pointing your index finger at Moua Toua Ther and you note that
there are THREE fingers pointing at YOU! WOW!!! Who is more bandit?
Hence, this is your first lesson in life, if you think that life is
complicated! And furthermore, a potential Ambassador cannot go on
pointing fingers!
I'll be happy to have dialogue with any concern person as along as you
understand where you are willing and ready to discuss these issue -
either personally or at the national or international level - you name
it... so the ball is back at your court, my dear old Lycee friend.
Pao

-------------------------------
Dr Pao where's the hot-shot FFC?
how come they don't have any picture of
those 27 kids to cut and paste?
Why Thai police arrested only Hmong kids
but not adult Hmong?
Why Thai police forced Hmong kid to swim accross
the Mekong River 3-4km wide, instate of deported them
through friendship bridge gate?
Are Thai police really deported them to Laos
or send them to somewhere else?
Laophuan

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

What Ai Yong said sounds fair and reasonable to me.

Pao, even the great United States' borders have leaks, millions of
illegals enter everyday. Lao only had 26, what's your fucking point
Pao? Laos doesn't have the budgets that the US have for border
defense.

What the Thai officials did to the kids, they have done before to
people like you when you first left Laos. Nothing new there.

It seam that you take every opportunity to shoot down Laos. Laos is
your country Pao. Help it and be proud of it and all its achievements.
Celebrate Laos' progress. I have read your dribbles for that past
three years and have not found one instance where you have done
anything to help Laos or Lao people. All you do is bitch.

You want to discuss issues with Ai Yong? Personally or at the national
or international level? Take a good look in the mirror Pao! Who the
fuck do you think you are? What have you done for Laos lately or ever?
If I was him, I wouldn’t even give you the time of day.

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... I am no body - only a te-foun
Patikan..
But who are you any way? Tell me why should I waste my time debate
issue with you??

Laos is my country hehehe!! Well..well... why do you ask your AiYong
on that issue (and get your tecnical undertsanding) before flashing
yourself in cyberspace?

Secondly, Ai Thanouxay is very capable and he can defend himself here
or anywhere else without your intruding in!!! Just remember that!

As some lady used to say around here, if the heat is too much, get out
of the kitchen or SCL! If you have been here only 3 years, you have a
lot to learn... and if you cannot take the heat, then get out!

Pao

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

SCL wasn't created by you or for your use only Buk Pao. I don't need
your permission to post in here.

I started out having respect for you because I thought, hey he's a
doctor. After all these years of reading in SCL, I have concluded that
you are nothing but a bitter, crying, bitching, little ass of a man.

I never read of any advice nor contributions from you, only Laos should
have been this way, Laos should have done that, Laos shouldn't have
done this or that.

We're not playing should haves and you're not running Laos, and you
don't own SCL. You never will.

TKM

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Ru you flying as you speak now?

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Yes I am.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

...and I still remember that you tried to trick people into signing
that stupid petition too.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ...
Who trick who to sign petition? Why do you go to Paris and talk to
those people over there who sign the petition or demonstrated in Paris?

You have not learned much - a flying monk is far from awakening yet!!
I don't want to say anything more.

On this 29 children issue, if you have any thing to add... then go a
head. Otherwise, get out of the hot kitchen!

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Once again you think you own SCL.
ຄັກບໍ່ບາດນີ້ເຖົ້າຫັວຫງອກແລ້ວຖືກເດ໊ກນ້ອນດ່າ

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Once again you think you own SCL.
ຄັກບໍ່ບາດນີ້ເຖົ້າຫັວຫງອກແລ້ວຖືກເດ໊ກນ້ອຍດ່າຍ

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... if you do not know about SCL... then
you are truly beyond me.
I hope that you do not continue to flash your ignorance across
cyberspace... what a stupid thing to ask me, ".. you think youn own
scl". This is just an indication where you are at!!!

[s***@yahoo.com]

Dr Pao,

This stupid Lao men think he so big and so good. He only finish he
pilot license and he think he can go to the moon. We Lao people alway
have this stupid atitude. I help you feel very very sorry for him. Me
no consider him even as a cadet. Let him come to Lao lick me pussy
better.

Saothao.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... if you do not know about SCL... then
you are truly beyond me.
I hope that you do not continue to flash your ignorance across
cyberspace... what a stupid thing to ask me, ".. you think youn own
scl". This is just an indication where you are at!!!

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Then... I have to reconsider your flying my medico helicopter.
I can't have people who are erratic and unstable like this flying my
patients around!!!

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

You been spewing that thing for how many years now Pao? Either shit or
get off the pot
ຄັນຊິຂີ້ກະຂີ້ຄັມຊິບໍ່ຂີ້ກະອກຈາກສົ້ວມໃຫຜູ່ອື່ນໃຊ້.
When is this gonna happen? Will you be hiding guns and bombs among
the medication, you know, kind of like that petition that you were
pushing before?

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Tho

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

You been spewing that thing for how many years now Pao? Either shit or
get off the pot
ຄັນຊິຂີ້ກະຂີ້ຄັມຊິບໍ່ຂີ້ກະອອກຈາກສົ້ວມໃຫ້ຜູ່ອື່ນໃຊ້.
When is this gonna happen? Will you be hiding guns and bombs among
the medication, you know, kind of like hiding alterior motive in that
petition that you were pushing before?

TKM
---------------------------------

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Now..let's talk about the fate of those 29 children... if you do not
have any thing else to add... then.. we should waste our time together
any more.

About my FREE medical flying service... that will be one day! You just
have to live long enough to see it. But when it happen, you may be too
old to fly that helicopter.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

As for the issue of the 29 children, I stand firm on what I said.
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ...if you have anything to add... then..
now it is time.
If you have nothing then... Ai Yong know what what he has to do without
your ihelp.
So... let ai Yong to do his job... I am sure that he would not like
people like you speaking on his behalf, esp on this sensitive issue
such as this children issue.

Pao

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Then... I have to reconsider your flying my medico helicopter.
I can't have people who are erratic and unstable like this flying my
patients around!!!

You haev been spewing this for how many years now Pao? Either shit or
get off the pot
ຄັນຊິຂີ້ກະຂີ້ຄັມຊິບໍ່ຂີ້ກະອອກຈາກສົ້ວມໃຫ້ຜູ່ອື່ນໃຊ້.
When is this gonna happen? Will you be hiding guns and bombs among
the medication, you know, kind of like alterior motive with that
petition that you were pushing before?

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Th

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

To: ***@laoclub.zzn.com...

Have you ever heard about the Japanese concept of management? From the
floor up... not the other way araound, my friend!

Any way, why don't you direct your post to Thanouxay. Why" this people
and that people ect... I did not intiniate this ASKING thing.
Read Thanouxay's post carefully:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/1b551011eee9f6b5

--------------------------------- Thanouxay
post------------------------------
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Dear Dr. Pao,


Life is complicated, complex, rude and ugly sometime but hopefully not
as bad all the time.
This is a fact of life and we have to live with it.


You ask people around the world and first of all those bandit of Moua
Toua Ther group to stop using kids
as armed bandits who shot on everybody passing by and then maybe the
situation will be a bit better. You also
ask those ill-intended group to stop training kids as spy and messenger

boys then maybe there will no more have
this kind of manipulation of kids and particularly young girlds as
human shield to hide spies they trained and send to Laos to commit
crime against peaceful people of Laos who only ask to live in peace.


Don't just only cry... It should never bring you anywhere. Start
talking to your Hmong friends and maybe this would make them becoming
more reasonable.


Sok dee


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[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ..
You haven't read enough!
At least, I can guarantee that you have not read all what I have
written on SCL since its inception!
Here is some more for you to read (only 5,590 posts to sort thru):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=drpao@&qt_s=Search

Pao

[Fukmeochaofa]

Thao Kaimeud . I am glad you finally know it's hard to deal with meo
like pao and vang pao . They try to cover up their dirty job by paying
Thai police to send those kids to Laos .
Some of those kids were trained to be spies and they were sent out to
do their mission in LAOPDR . Luckily Lao secret services arrested them
first . They also used Christianity and churches as their hide out and
head quarter for spying in Laos too.
These meo chaofa group with these paos organization groups paid Thai
police to kill
SOM OK and blame on LaoPDR .

Post by ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ
SCL wasn't created by you or for your use only Buk Pao. I don't need
your permission to post in here.
I started out having respect for you because I thought, hey he's a
doctor. After all these years of reading in SCL, I have concluded that
you are nothing but a bitter, crying, bitching, little ass of a man.
I never read of any advice nor contributions from you, only Laos should
have been this way, Laos should have done that, Laos shouldn't have
done this or that.
We're not playing should haves and you're not running Laos, and you
don't own SCL. You never will.
TKM

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Now... what else can I say! You did IT!
You make my day... my friend!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

[s***@yahoo.com]

Bakmeosiyouhoukhi katheu, If meo name no good why you let Meofukyou
houkhi pin pa jam. You must feel very very good. Look at you name. You
name Meofukyou. Me very shame for bak katheu like you. You like fucking
come fuk me in bankeun very better. Me houkhi biger bak small balls.

[Fukmeochaofa]

Eethaokateuy meo bane keun . Me fuk meo beautiful girl km 52 very good
. You fuk by anti and Beemouachoafa in your ass darkbane .Me no like
eethaomeo has small , short dik and golden teeth like you . Me know
beautiful young meo km 52 many many .

Post by s***@yahoo.com
Bakmeosiyouhoukhi katheu, If meo name no good why you let Meofukyou
houkhi pin pa jam. You must feel very very good. Look at you name. You
name Meofukyou. Me very shame for bak katheu like you. You like fucking
come fuk me in bankeun very better. Me houkhi biger bak small balls.

[ດອກກະຈຽວ]

Has anybody got Moua Toua Theu's satellite phone number?
I will call him for this concern,
May these kids be playing shits in the jungle now?

Please call him for me!

Any information would be appreciated!

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

What Ai Yong said sounds fair and reasonable to me.

Pao, even the great United States' borders have leaks, millions of
illegals enter everyday. Laos only had 26, what's your fucking point
Pao? Laos doesn't have the budgets that the US have for border
defense.

What the Thai officials did to the kids, they have done before to
people like you when you first left Laos. Nothing new there.

It seams that you take every opportunity to shoot down Laos. Laos is
your country Pao. Help it and be proud of it and all its achievements.
Celebrate Laos' progress. I have read your dribbles for that past
three years and have not found one instance where you have done
anything to help Laos or Lao people. All you do is bitch.

You want to discuss issues with Ai Yong? Personally or at the national
or international level? Take a good look in the mirror Pao! Who the
fuck do you think you are? What have you done for Laos? If I was him,
I wouldn’t even give you the time of day.

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[c***@gmail.com]

Post by ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ
What Ai Yong said sounds fair and reasonable to me.
Pao, even the great United States' borders have leaks, millions of
illegals enter everyday. Laos only had 26, what's your fucking point
Pao? Laos doesn't have the budgets that the US have for border
defense.
What the Thai officials did to the kids, they have done before to
people like you when you first left Laos. Nothing new there.
It seams that you take every opportunity to shoot down Laos. Laos is
your country Pao. Help it and be proud of it and all its achievements.
Celebrate Laos' progress. I have read your dribbles for that past
three years and have not found one instance where you have done
anything to help Laos or Lao people. All you do is bitch.
You want to discuss issues with Ai Yong? Personally or at the national
or international level? Take a good look in the mirror Pao! Who the
fuck do you think you are? What have you done for Laos? If I was him,
I wouldn’t even give you the time of day.
TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

WOW!!ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ dom tot thao Yong hom bo?

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

It is not about Yong, it is not about me, it is about Laos and it is
about common sense. Pao didn't address anything concerning what The
Thais did or what the US did to Laos. Every chance he gets, he attacks
Laos and many here are sick of that. They don't speak out, but many
have told me in private emails.

Laos has come a long way since 30 years ago and he refuses to
acknowledge that. Look at Thailand, developing unimpeeded by outsiders
and look at the situations in Isaan, people are still dirt poor,
selling their farms, thei daughters to make ends meet.

Laos, despite emcomberances by disengenous such as Pao still managed to
get as far as it did. We should celebrate that and help it along and
be proud of its achievements. It is easy to bitch, any a-hole off the
street can bitch and whine, but will they do something about it? No.

People like Pao are a hniderance to Laos progress, they are a stick in
the mud. Every action has alterior motive. They hurt Laos and their
own people. They encourage violence and seperation. They do not
encourage peace and unity. They are the true enemy of Laos and Lao
people.

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

It is not about Yong, it is not about me, it is about Laos and it is
about common sense. Pao didn't address anything concerning what The
Thais did or what the US did to Laos. Every chance he gets, he attacks
Laos and many here are sick of that. They don't speak out, but many
have told me in private emails.

Laos has come a long way since 30 years ago and he refuses to
acknowledge that. Look at Thailand, developing unimpeded by outsiders
and look at the situations in Isaan, people are still dirt poor,
selling their farms, their daughters to make ends meet.

Laos, despite encumbrances by disingenuous people such as Pao still
managed to get as far as it did. We should celebrate that and help it
along and be proud of its achievements. It is easy to bitch, any
a-hole off the street can bitch and whine, but will they do something
about it? No.

People like Pao are a hindrance to Laos' progress, they are a stick in
the mud. Every action has ulterior motive. They hurt Laos and their
own people. They encourage violence and separation. They do not
encourage peace and unity. They are the true enemy of Laos and Lao
people. These people are of the Pak Kut Kwarng
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[Fukmeochaofa]

Thao KM .
You are right TKM . Dr. Pao she is a bitch . Over 5000 post from the
bitch how many post did you find she talked good thing about Laos
beside meo this and meo that . Meo scare to talk bad about Thailand
because they worry about their homeless meo homeless from homeless .

Post by ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ
It is not about Yong, it is not about me, it is about Laos and it is
about common sense. Pao didn't address anything concerning what The
Thais did or what the US did to Laos. Every chance he gets, he attacks
Laos and many here are sick of that. They don't speak out, but many
have told me in private emails.
Laos has come a long way since 30 years ago and he refuses to
acknowledge that. Look at Thailand, developing unimpeded by outsiders
and look at the situations in Isaan, people are still dirt poor,
selling their farms, their daughters to make ends meet.
Laos, despite encumbrances by disingenuous people such as Pao still
managed to get as far as it did. We should celebrate that and help it
along and be proud of its achievements. It is easy to bitch, any
a-hole off the street can bitch and whine, but will they do something
about it? No.
People like Pao are a hindrance to Laos' progress, they are a stick in
the mud. Every action has ulterior motive. They hurt Laos and their
own people. They encourage violence and separation. They do not
encourage peace and unity. They are the true enemy of Laos and Lao
people. These people are of the Pak Kut Kwarng
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ
TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!! and baesed on your holly opinion (as
an ex-monk), I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that. You made my day, ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ.

As for the children issue, just read my last post:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/d09bff9b7091de3b

and PLEASE read carefully (because you seem to have mis-read much of my
posts) - words by

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!!

I thought you'd think that was a compliment. That's the level that you
operate at.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that.

If you fail to see that you are a hindrance than I gave you too much
credit. You also fail to reallize that despite your efforts to sit and
wait at every opportunity to jump on and peck at Laos and the people
who are doing their best, Laos is moving right along. If you would
only channel all the enerygy you into your hatred Laos and the rest of
the world would be a much better place.

Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If
you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!!

I thought you'd think that was a compliment. That's the level that you
operate at.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that.

Only an idiot would be proud of that fact. If you fail to see that you
are a hindrance than I gave you too much credit. You also fail to
realize that despite your efforts to sit and wait at every opportunity
to jump on and peck at Laos and the people who are doing their best,
Laos is moving right along. If you would only channel all the energy
you have in your hatred into something that’s beneficial and
productive for Laos, Laos and the rest of the world would be a much
better place. There’s a world of difference between productive
criticism and outright malicious bitching and whining.

Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If
you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[l***@laoclub.zzn.com]

Well, Well, maybe Dr. Pao needs to spend less time in front of computer
instead, spend more time with your patients Dr. SCL, or SCH may not be
a place to release stress, sounds like you're stressed Dr. Maybe you
needs to go to the beach, or fishing in a lake, or river where there is
nature to release your stressful work week.

Post by ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!!

I thought you'd think that was a compliment. That's the level that you
operate at.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that.

Only an idiot would be proud of that fact. If you fail to see that you
are a hindrance than I gave you too much credit. You also fail to
realize that despite your efforts to sit and wait at every opportunity
to jump on and peck at Laos and the people who are doing their best,
Laos is moving right along. If you would only channel all the energy
you have in your hatred into something that’s beneficial and
productive for Laos, Laos and the rest of the world would be a much
better place. There’s a world of difference between productive
criticism and outright malicious bitching and whining.
Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If
you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!
TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!!

I thought you'd think that was a compliment. That's the level that you
operate at.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that.

Wouldn’t one have to be an idiot to be proud of that fact. If you
fail to see that you are a hindrance than I gave you too much credit.
You also fail to realize that despite your efforts to sit and wait at
every opportunity to jump on and peck at Laos and the people who are
doing their best, Laos is moving right along. If you would only
channel all the energy you have in your hatred into something that’s
beneficial and productive for Laos, Laos and the rest of the world
would be a much better place. There’s a world of difference between
productive criticism and outright malicious bitching and whining.

Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If

you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Wow!!! Thanks for the compliment...now I even belong to the
ພັກຂັດຂວາງ!!

I thought you'd think that was a compliment. That's the level that you
operate at.

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
I am even "a hindrance to Laos' progress" hehehehe?
Thanks for that.

Wouldn’t one have to be an idiot to be proud of that fact. If you
fail to see that you are a hindrance than I gave you too much credit.
You also fail to realize that despite your efforts to sit and wait at
every opportunity to jump on and peck at Laos and the people who are
doing their best, Laos is moving right along. If you would only
channel all the energy you have in your hatred into something that’s
beneficial and productive for Laos, Laos and the rest of the world
would be a much better place. There’s a world of difference between
productive criticism and outright malicious bitching and whining.

Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If
you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

To ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ....
Hahahahahahahaha... or hehehehehehehehehhehee
There you go again!!!

Say no

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Everyone can see that you are nothing more than an armchair quarterback
that wants to talk to the coach and tell the coach how to make the
play. Well, wake up! You're not the coach, you are NOT qualified! If
you were, you'd have people rallying behind you. Face reality Pao, you
don't have what it takes!

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bitch.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ..
Thanks again...
Is that your best shot? Is that all... cheat shot like that??? Come
on...ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... I DARE YOU!
UM

[fidh-peuple hmong]

My name is MOUA Koumisith.
I have lived and grown up in France since 1978.
My origins are Hmong-lao and a French residant.

From 2002 to 2004, I was in Thailand and I created a tourism company in

car location and as a guide to tourist in the city of
PHRAPHOUTHABATH... C.SARABURI. I had the same problem as the american
couple that was assassinated on January 18th 2006, at NONG KHAI in
Thailand.

It happened on August 30th 2003 between 10:30 to 11:30 am, in the
downtown of LOPBURI, when the civilians were all outside; the Thai
secret services had tried to assassinate with killers but I escaped
them.

On April 7th 2004, the same persons has tried to trap me by hiding
drugs inside my car (by using 4 of my employees). Luckily, the Thai
police has not found anything in my car.

By analysing, I am sure that the thai authority, the Thai secret
service, le military, the police, and the governement were especially
concerned in those attempts to assassinate me in their country . The
investigation were classed too quickly because they are doing
everything to cover it up. I am also sure that it is the communist
gouvernement Pathet Lao that has paid the Thai authority to organise
those attempts.

I am ready to give a million of baths to anyone who can give me
information to help me find those who are behind all of these attempts.
I am also ready to give my life assurance of about 4 million bath (100
000 dollar US) to anyone who will help me catch them and deliver them
to the Thai justice.

You can contact me by email: ***@yahoo.fr or by phone: (33) 620
343 942

[ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ]

I am also sure that it is the communist gouvernement
Pathet Lao that has paid the Thai authority to organise
those attempts.

MOUA Kou
Why LPDR have to pay Thai authority to kill Hmong
like you in Thailand? give me good reason..
There are plenty of Hmong from oversea in and out
of Wattay airport everday, never heard some one try to kill them,
remember Laos is poor country, they won't spent any Kip for
killing people, instead they're feeling self respect to see people
from other country visied their poor country, especially 4 million
bath man like you...you'll get VIP assisted every where in Laos...

Laphua

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

All this time, the only one backing you up is
ອີ່ເຖົ້າຜີບ້າ and you still refuse to accept
reallity. You can't teach old dogs new tricks.

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, d

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ..
Thanks again...
Is that your best shot? Is that all... cheat shot like that??? Come
on...ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... I DARE YOU!
UMMMMMM....???

Dare? What dare? You are dilusional. All this time, the only one
backing you up is ອີ່ເຖົ້າຜີບ້າ and you still
refuse to accept reallity. Take off the blinders man.

Guess you just can't teach an old dog new tricks.

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those who can, do.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ..
Thanks again...
Is that your best shot? Is that all... cheat shot like that??? Come
on...ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ... I DARE YOU!
UMMMMMM....???

Dare? What dare? You are dilusional. All this time, the only one
backing you up is ອີ່ເຖົ້າຜີບ້າ and you still
refuse to accept reallity. Take off the blinders man.

Guess you just can't teach an old dog new tricks. Eh coach?

TKM
-----------------------------------------
Those w

[ດອກກະຈຽວ]

ທ່ານທັງຫລາຍ,

ຈົ່ງໃຊ້ສາສນາໃຫ້ເປັນທີ່ເພິ່ງທາງໃຈເດີ

ຄັນບໍ່ຊັ້ນ ເສິກນ້ຳລາຍ
ຊິລະບາດແທ້ໃດ

ເວົ້າມ່ວນກັບທ່ານ
ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ.. ເດີ
ຢ່າຟ້າວຫົວລ້ານໃດ

ຣັກແ��

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

ຂ້ອຍຢອກຜູ້ເຖົ້າຫຼິ້ນຊຶຊື່
ເຜິ່ນຄືຊິໂມໂຫໃຈຫ້າຍຢ່າງໃຢ່ນໍ້
ຢ້ານຄຽດໃຫ້ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດແຮງຫຼາຍຈົນນອນບໍ່ຫຼັບພຸ້ນແລ້ວ
ຂອບໃຈຫຼາຍໆທີ່ເປັນຫ່ວງນຳ

ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ aka
ບັກຫຳແຫຼ້ໃຈກ້າຫນ້າດ້ານມືໄວ
ປາກກະຢາກໃວເກີນໄປຫນ໋ອຍຫນຶ່�

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Laos demands answers over missing Hmong Children expelled by Thai
authorities

Laos has demanded an explanation from Thailand on 26 Hmong children
expelled by Thai authorities from a refugee camp across the border two
months ago, the Lao foreign ministry spokesman said on Friday. Deputy
Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Somsavat Lengsavad called in Thai
Ambassador Rathakit Manathat in Vientiane on Thursday, spokesman Yong
Chanthalangsy said by telephone.

''We asked the Thai ambassador for any information on this issue,'' Mr
Yong said, referring to the 26 children and an adult expelled from a
refugee camp for Hmong people in northeastern Thailand's Phetchabun
province in early December.

''We do not have any responsibility for what has happened,'' he said,
accusing Thailand of failing to inform Laos of the expulsions.

Laos has been trying to deflect criticism after the US government
chastised Vientiane's handling of the matter.

''We find this obstruction by the Lao government troubling and
disappointing,'' the US State Department said last week.

Laos has maintained it is still looking for the missing Hmong in
provinces bordering Thailand. But several foreign sources have said
that they believe Lao officials have located the children.

On Friday, the France-based Lao Movement for Human Rights said that
Laos is ''a monitored country where nothing ever occurs without the
consent of the authorities of the State-Party''.

UN agencies have also voiced concern over the issue and offered help in
locating and caring for the children.

Washington has also accused the Lao government of failing to grant UN
agencies access to the Hmong.

Mr Yong said Laos was in a ''process of dialogue'' with the US on the
issue.

Foreign sources also say the Hmong were arrested by Thai authorities on
the pretext that they had strayed outside the camp precincts. Thailand
has said it has the right to deport people deemed illegal immigrants.

Some Hmong were allies of the US during the Vietnam War and formed a
CIA-backed secret army when the war spilled into Laos. Many fled to
Thailand when the Americans withdrew in 1975.

The Hmong issue has been a thorn in relations between Laos and
Thailand.

[Phi Dung Mo]

With all that has been written about these kids and their group in
Thailand, I will ask one key question.

"If these children are in Laos, are they likely to make their presence
know to the LPDR authorities or are they likely to do everything in their
power to avoid LPDR authorities?"

Remember that their parents have been claiming for months that they will
be killed if they are returned to Laos. So what are these kids going to do
if they were returned to Laos?

Now how many children are missing in our western countries? Why can't
our advanced, technically superior police forces and investigative
methodologies find these kids? Quit being so hypocritical and just hope that
these kids are found safe and healthy no matter what side of the border they
are on.

Dr. Pao, seems you and a few others are the only ones where it seems to
be beyond any human comprehension. Take a few Thorazine, Clozaril or maybe
some Zyprexa and chill out doctor, nothing you do or say is going to change
the outcome of this issue one way or another. Afterall the children have not
reappeared "...from thin air after more than one month in Laos.", yet. Don't
worry Dr. Pao the medications can make the delusions go away.

Phi Dung Mo

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Why innocent children have to be used by both countries in such
absurdity? One cpountry deported and one country NOT seen these
children - and these children only re-appear from thin air after more
than one month in Laos?
Could such action applicable to a Laolum or a Thai group of children?
Are these children NOT Lao citizen in the first place?
This issue is really beyond any human comprehension!
Pao

[ອົດໃຈລໍ]

why does a doctor with delusional disorder need to take medications?
everyone knows that kind of doctor always has a "sick" sense and loves
to practice it?

ອົດໃຈລໍ
+++++

Post by Phi Dung Mo
With all that has been written about these kids and their group in
Thailand, I will ask one key question.
"If these children are in Laos, are they likely to make their presence
know to the LPDR authorities or are they likely to do everything in their
power to avoid LPDR authorities?"
Remember that their parents have been claiming for months that they will
be killed if they are returned to Laos. So what are these kids going to do
if they were returned to Laos?
Now how many children are missing in our western countries? Why can't
our advanced, technically superior police forces and investigative
methodologies find these kids? Quit being so hypocritical and just hope that
these kids are found safe and healthy no matter what side of the border they
are on.
Dr. Pao, seems you and a few others are the only ones where it seems to
be beyond any human comprehension. Take a few Thorazine, Clozaril or maybe
some Zyprexa and chill out doctor, nothing you do or say is going to change
the outcome of this issue one way or another. Afterall the children have not
reappeared "...from thin air after more than one month in Laos.", yet. Don't
worry Dr. Pao the medications can make the delusions go away.
Phi Dung Mo

[ດອກກະຈຽວ]

Second Citizenship,

No, not at all in Laos
It maybe happen in other countries

May u have not been living in Laos for longtime
That makes u misleading about her

Hak Pheng

[thanouxay]

Dear friends,

Please read the following:

Mr. Yong Chanthalangsy, Director General of the Press Department of Lao
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on 30 January 2006 gave a Press Conference
at the Press Department in Vientiane and announced the following:

On request by the Embassy of the USA to Lao PDR, H.E. Mr. Somsavat
Lengsavad, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the
Lao PDR welcomed US Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach on 18 January 2006
who informed Mr. Somsavat that a Thai source had provided her with
information that Thai authorities had arrested 27 young children and
had sent them to Laos. Those 27 children haven’t been neither
welcomed nor received by any of the Lao authorities.

With regard to this issue, the US Ambassador had requested the Lao
Government to search for those children in order to send them back to
their parents and family.

On this issue, H.E. Mr. Somsavat Lengsavad, DPM and Minister of foreign
Affairs of the Lao PDR replied to the US Ambassador that this issue had
been caused without the knowledge of the Lao Government because the
Thai side didn’t informed the Lao side except that he had been
informed by the US Ambassador. Therefore, this issue is not under the
responsibility of the Lao Government because the Thai side didn’t
hand over the 27 children to the Lao Authorities.

But being consistent with humanitarian policy, the Lao Government will
investigate and search for information relative to this issue. Soon
after there is any information found, the Lao Government will inform
the US Embassy consequently.

Post by ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Don't you dare to forget The Hmong were allied with
the United States during the Vietnam War and formed
a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when
the war spilled into Laos.
Ya Leoum Wah Hao Pen Nuck Soob Deur....he he he..
Laphua
BANGKOK (AFP) - Twenty-six Hmong children who were expelled from
Thailand last month have been found in neighboring Laos, and the two
governments are discussing ways to reunite them with their parents
living in a refugee camp, the United Nations said.
"The children are in Laos," said Bhairaja Panday, deputy regional
representative for Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam at the UN High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). "The issue (over their reunion) has
been raised by both governments," Panday said.
The children, boys and girls aged between 14 and 20, had been living in
a refugee camp for the Hmong ethnic minority in northeastern Thailand's
Phetchabun province bordering Laos.
But last month Thailand expelled them as well as one adult, in secret
and for unknown reasons. Several foreign sources said they were
arrested under the pretext that they had strayed outside the camp
precincts.
Panday declined to say how the Hmong children ended up in Laos but said
Thailand and Laos were negotiating ways to help them reunite with their
parents at the refugee camp.
"We have been urging both governments to find a way out of this. We
would like that to happen as soon as possible because they are
children," he said.
"We have heard that some kids need some kind of medical attention. We
just have heard that some of them are maybe malnourished."
The Hmong were allied with the United States during the Vietnam War and
formed a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when the
war spilled into Laos. When the US withdrew in 1975, many Hmong feared
persecution and fled to Thailand, where they have lived in refugee
camps

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

Thang you for the update Ai Yong.

TKM

[vannasay]

This has been proven once more that the Thai underwold human traffiking
is alive and well, especially done in the name of the Thai corrupted
official profiteers. Nothing has been changed to these extreme
corrupted underworld with Thai official connection. It's their typical
tactic with cheap alibi to circumvent their atrocious crimes against
human life. Since these are from the dirty hands of those corrupted
Thai officials, I do hope the Human Rights Watch group can step in to
make the headline to shame all these culprits out, to bring them to
justice is another matter especially in Thailand, because they all are
excellent sleazy liars ready to cover up their senesless crimes with a
slip of their tongue.

[ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ]

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/browse_frm/thread/a3be8a02fe4e8fff/364dd4d5e125443b#364dd4d5e125443b

[s***@yahoo.com]

My friends,

Look at this Bak Ma Thanouxay khi kak barking. He and his thug bak Ma
Lengsavath talking trash pretend not knowing anything. Have you read
Bak Hiem Phoumachanh/ Lao Embassador to Thailand? He already
accknowledged that the 26 children were forced to Laos by the Thai
government and his government will seek negitiation to return all
minors to their parents. Now Bak Ma khi kak Thanouxay said another
thing. Those of you who believe him go kiss his ass.

If I were the U.S Embassador I would take E Thao Hiem's acknowledgement
seriously.

Saothao.

Post by thanouxay
Dear friends,
Mr. Yong Chanthalangsy, Director General of the Press Department of Lao
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on 30 January 2006 gave a Press Conference
On request by the Embassy of the USA to Lao PDR, H.E. Mr. Somsavat
Lengsavad, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the
Lao PDR welcomed US Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach on 18 January 2006
who informed Mr. Somsavat that a Thai source had provided her with
information that Thai authorities had arrested 27 young children and
had sent them to Laos. Those 27 children haven’t been neither
welcomed nor received by any of the Lao authorities.
With regard to this issue, the US Ambassador had requested the Lao
Government to search for those children in order to send them back to
their parents and family.
On this issue, H.E. Mr. Somsavat Lengsavad, DPM and Minister of foreign
Affairs of the Lao PDR replied to the US Ambassador that this issue had
been caused without the knowledge of the Lao Government because the
Thai side didn’t informed the Lao side except that he had been
informed by the US Ambassador. Therefore, this issue is not under the
responsibility of the Lao Government because the Thai side didn’t
hand over the 27 children to the Lao Authorities.
But being consistent with humanitarian policy, the Lao Government will
investigate and search for information relative to this issue. Soon
after there is any information found, the Lao Government will inform
the US Embassy consequently.

Post by ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Don't you dare to forget The Hmong were allied with
the United States during the Vietnam War and formed
a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when
the war spilled into Laos.
Ya Leoum Wah Hao Pen Nuck Soob Deur....he he he..
Laphua
BANGKOK (AFP) - Twenty-six Hmong children who were expelled from
Thailand last month have been found in neighboring Laos, and the two
governments are discussing ways to reunite them with their parents
living in a refugee camp, the United Nations said.
"The children are in Laos," said Bhairaja Panday, deputy regional
representative for Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam at the UN High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). "The issue (over their reunion) has
been raised by both governments," Panday said.
The children, boys and girls aged between 14 and 20, had been living in
a refugee camp for the Hmong ethnic minority in northeastern Thailand's
Phetchabun province bordering Laos.
But last month Thailand expelled them as well as one adult, in secret
and for unknown reasons. Several foreign sources said they were
arrested under the pretext that they had strayed outside the camp
precincts.
Panday declined to say how the Hmong children ended up in Laos but said
Thailand and Laos were negotiating ways to help them reunite with their
parents at the refugee camp.
"We have been urging both governments to find a way out of this. We
would like that to happen as soon as possible because they are
children," he said.
"We have heard that some kids need some kind of medical attention. We
just have heard that some of them are maybe malnourished."
The Hmong were allied with the United States during the Vietnam War and
formed a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when the
war spilled into Laos. When the US withdrew in 1975, many Hmong feared
persecution and fled to Thailand, where they have lived in refugee
camps

[Fukmeochaofa]

Bukmah-eemeokateuy Saothaobankeun barking again .

Post by s***@yahoo.com
My friends,
Look at this Bak Ma Thanouxay khi kak barking. He and his thug bak Ma
Lengsavath talking trash pretend not knowing anything. Have you read
Bak Hiem Phoumachanh/ Lao Embassador to Thailand? He already
accknowledged that the 26 children were forced to Laos by the Thai
government and his government will seek negitiation to return all
minors to their parents. Now Bak Ma khi kak Thanouxay said another
thing. Those of you who believe him go kiss his ass.
If I were the U.S Embassador I would take E Thao Hiem's acknowledgement
seriously.
Saothao.

Post by thanouxay
Dear friends,
Mr. Yong Chanthalangsy, Director General of the Press Department of Lao
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on 30 January 2006 gave a Press Conference
On request by the Embassy of the USA to Lao PDR, H.E. Mr. Somsavat
Lengsavad, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the
Lao PDR welcomed US Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach on 18 January 2006
who informed Mr. Somsavat that a Thai source had provided her with
information that Thai authorities had arrested 27 young children and
had sent them to Laos. Those 27 children haven’t been neither
welcomed nor received by any of the Lao authorities.
With regard to this issue, the US Ambassador had requested the Lao
Government to search for those children in order to send them back to
their parents and family.
On this issue, H.E. Mr. Somsavat Lengsavad, DPM and Minister of foreign
Affairs of the Lao PDR replied to the US Ambassador that this issue had
been caused without the knowledge of the Lao Government because the
Thai side didn’t informed the Lao side except that he had been
informed by the US Ambassador. Therefore, this issue is not under the
responsibility of the Lao Government because the Thai side didn’t
hand over the 27 children to the Lao Authorities.
But being consistent with humanitarian policy, the Lao Government will
investigate and search for information relative to this issue. Soon
after there is any information found, the Lao Government will inform
the US Embassy consequently.

Post by ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
Don't you dare to forget The Hmong were allied with
the United States during the Vietnam War and formed
a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when
the war spilled into Laos.
Ya Leoum Wah Hao Pen Nuck Soob Deur....he he he..
Laphua
BANGKOK (AFP) - Twenty-six Hmong children who were expelled from
Thailand last month have been found in neighboring Laos, and the two
governments are discussing ways to reunite them with their parents
living in a refugee camp, the United Nations said.
"The children are in Laos," said Bhairaja Panday, deputy regional
representative for Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam at the UN High
Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). "The issue (over their reunion) has
been raised by both governments," Panday said.
The children, boys and girls aged between 14 and 20, had been living in
a refugee camp for the Hmong ethnic minority in northeastern Thailand's
Phetchabun province bordering Laos.
But last month Thailand expelled them as well as one adult, in secret
and for unknown reasons. Several foreign sources said they were
arrested under the pretext that they had strayed outside the camp
precincts.
Panday declined to say how the Hmong children ended up in Laos but said
Thailand and Laos were negotiating ways to help them reunite with their
parents at the refugee camp.
"We have been urging both governments to find a way out of this. We
would like that to happen as soon as possible because they are
children," he said.
"We have heard that some kids need some kind of medical attention. We
just have heard that some of them are maybe malnourished."
The Hmong were allied with the United States during the Vietnam War and
formed a Central Intelligence Agency-backed secret army when the
war spilled into Laos. When the US withdrew in 1975, many Hmong feared
persecution and fled to Thailand, where they have lived in refugee
camps

[ເຊີນຍີ້ມ]

Hey you guys,

Stay focus before things get worse. Don't go too far.
"I WILL ROAR when the harmony of the nature i

[Phainam_Muang]

Sa bai dee Thanouxay et al,

I'm really speechless of how Lao PDR allows other country to dictate its
internal affair. Though Laos is a small country, but that doesn't mean she
has to bow her head to the US or Thailand. Laos is a country with
governing body and sovereign borders. She needs to stand up and defend her
sovereignty, dignity and pride. I'm sadden that no one has any vertebrates
to stand up against the US or Thailand on this issue. Yes, Laos should look
into this 27 Hmong children missing issue with high priority and concern.
But, why let the US and Thailand flock their hands down your throat on this
issue? If the 27 Hmong children are US citizens, then Laos is doing the
right thing to deal with the US, but they are not. Those Hmong children are
still Lao citizens, which begs a very big question, why the need for Laos to
have to report to the US on this issue. It is the UN that Laos needs to be
reporting to, and not the US. Are we simply giving up the UN's role to the
US? What is wrong with world citizens nowadays? Are we simply just going
to give up our rights to the US, and let the US dictate our lives?

The fact that Thailand bypassed Lao PDR and went directly to the US on this
issue should triggered a hugh alarm, but yet Laos treated the Thai
disrespectful gesture with a smile or pretended to. Why? Is Laos really
that poor that everyone can step on her head? If that is the case, it is
time to take a serious look at you and your government in the mirror,
Thanouxay. Get a bucket full of cold water and pour it on yourself if
needed too. Seriously, wake up!

Phainam

[thanouxay]

Dear Phainam,

You are right to point your finger on "interference in internatal
affairs of an independent State"... On this matter, I fully agree with
you.

1. Thai Officers should never commit that crime of playing around with
kids and especially young girld. By doing so (forced them to go on
boat, force them to cross the Mekong river outside a legal Check point
at night) really seriously put their life at risk;
2. USA should not put pressure on us but on the culprits who had
committed the crime. They are in good position to tell their Thai
friends to put an immediate end to this practice which really put the
life of kids at risk;
3. The ill intended groups should never trained under legal age kids as
spies and messenger boys and mix them with innoncent young girlds to be
used as human shield to protect theirs spies.

Out of that please note that this is a hight diplomatic issue...
Thailand never notified Laos in committing this ugly operation. Laos is
supposed to not be aware of anything on this issue and should not be
considered as having any responsibility. Laos was approached by US
Ambassador who informed that she got the information that Thai Police
forced those kids to cross the Mekong river by boat and requested Laos
to help find those kids to be surrendered and reunite with their family
in Thailand.

Please also note that there is not a single proof that those kids are
Hmong Lao. They are born in Thailand and live with their family in
Phetchboun in Thailand.

Therefore we are helping the US Embassy to find those kids, to hand
them over to US embassy in order to bring them back to Thailand to
reunite them with their family. That as simple as it is.

Sok dee

[ເຊີນຍີ້ມ]

Dear thanouxay,

Those kids were kidnapped months ago and were sent back to Laos.

Is it possible that no lao authorities have any knowledge about where
they are?

Hummm......That's incredible!!!!

ເຊີນຍີ້ມ.

[Phainam_Muang]

Ok, so there might be some other hidden political motives or other parties
involved with this 26 Hmong children missing issue? In that case, I will
rest my case, however...

Still, I can't fathom why Lao has to deal with the US and not Thai or UN on
this issue. The children are not US citizens, which begs the question (and
as a US tax payer who pay US Ambassador's salary, I think I have every
rights to know) what are the US Embassy's jurisdictions over this issue?
Why become a leading role in finding these children? And why not turn the
case to a proper international agency who oversee this type of issue. And
why there isn't any international agencies or human right watchdogs stick
their heads out of the sands and start barking the Thai government for human
wrong doing yet? After all the incidence took place in Thailand, no? I
understand US loves to help fellow human being, but sometimes certain thing
and certain issue needed to be handled by proper organizations involved.
I'm sure Thailand is more than capable of handling this issue. They have
an embassy in Laos and the UN also has its office stationed in Vientiane.

Phainam

[fidh-peuple hmong]

My name is MOUA Koumisith.
I have lived and grown up in France since 1978.
My origins are Hmong-lao and a French residant.

From 2002 to 2004, I was in Thailand and I created a tourism company in

car location and as a guide to tourist in the city of
PHRAPHOUTHABATH... C.SARABURI. I had the same problem as the american
couple that was assassinated on January 18th 2006, at NONG KHAI in
Thailand.

It happened on August 30th 2003 between 10:30 to 11:30 am, in the
downtown of LOPBURI, when the civilians were all outside; the Thai
secret services had tried to assassinate with killers but I escaped
them.

On April 7th 2004, the same persons has tried to trap me by hiding
drugs inside my car (by using 4 of my employees). Luckily, the Thai
police has not found anything in my car.

By analysing, I am sure that the thai authority, the Thai secret
service, le military, the police, and the governement were especially
concerned in those attempts to assassinate me in their country . The
investigation were classed too quickly because they are doing
everything to cover it up. I am also sure that it is the communist
gouvernement Pathet Lao that has paid the Thai authority to organise
those attempts.

I am ready to give a million of baths to anyone who can give me
information to help me find those who are behind all of these attempts.
I am also ready to give my life assurance of about 4 million bath (100
000 dollar US) to anyone who will help me catch them and deliver them
to the Thai justice.

You can contact me by email: ***@yahoo.fr or by phone: (33) 620
343 942

[b***@yahoo.com]

When the US speaks other people listen (or at least...). Without the
US and/or European voices, most of barbaric acts and other atrocities
committed by barbarians will dissipate quickly.

[ດອກກະຈຽວ]

Thanks god that Thai authority did not send hundreds of Thai boys with
M16 to cross Mekong river through different ways. If it happens then,
it is interesting how Lao authority could find and send them back.

Then, I really need to call PBL back to protect his motherland.

Good wishes,

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

No M16.. but those 29 children may be carried dealy birdflu to Laos..
or they may all trained spies as Thanouxay thinks... or those children
may even been wired with bombs to blast Laos off?... and the LPDR
border security have not even know that these deadly spies have crossed
to Laos even the RFA asia had brodcasted on 6th Dec 2005:
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/social/2005/12/06/laos_hmong/

AND a open letter (dec 24th 2005) of plead (detailing the chronology of
the plight of those children) has been circulating to the UN and many
goverment since the reported deportation of these children to Laos.
http://www.lexicon.net/~lis01085/lao/Letter%20to%20UN%20-%20re-%2029%20Hmong%20children%20arrested.doc

And according the Yong, LPDR only learned about this issue when the US
Ambassador told Mr. Somsavat on 18 January 2006.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/6c02216cb984e22c

Intriguing... indeed.

But it is heart warming to know that the issue has been brought to the
surface and at least various Ambassadors in Laos have taken on the
issue to determine the fate of the children concern.

[Phainam_Muang]

Dr. Pao, this is probably will go from one ear out the other due to your
view toward Laos is already made-up. But, I will try anyway.

1. much of the RFA's reporting which you quoted, is basically about 29
Hmong children who have been wandered outside their camp into a restricted
zones and their arrests by the Thai police.

1a. according to the article, and from the Lao source (how the hell the RFA
managed to get a source from the Lao when the incidence was in Thailand and
about Hmong, is beyond me, perhaps you can educate us, Dr!), anyway
according to the article and again from the Lao source, the 29 Hmong were
captured and charged for illegal entry into Thailand and also for
trespassing. They were imprisoned for seven days and then sent to Nong Khai
province awaiting for appropriate time to send to Laos. Nothing in the
article indicated that they were sent to Laos, which leads to #2.

2. where in the RFA's news article you quoted, stated that those 29 Hmong
Children have crossed to Laos?

2a. question to you Dr. Pao, where were you when you first read or heard of
the news that the Hmong children were being arrested in Thailand of illegal
entry and were about to be sent to Laos by Thai police? And where were your
complains against Thai for their inhumane treatment of the children, eh?
The article said nothing about Laos involvement yet the first thing I read
from you was your blaming of Laos, your rolling up your sleeves and dashing
out faulting Laos for their arrest! How the hell did you come up with that
conclusion, I have no idea, perhaps too much kangaroo fats in your head, eh?
Of course, no matter what even a Hmong raped and killed by a Hmong gang in
Minnesota, you would still blame the Lao PDR. No surprise there...

3. Nothing in your second quote of the letter is of any significant to
suggesting that Lao PDR were well aware of the deportation of the children
to Laos by Thai police. In fact, the letter seems to suggest a Thai
policeman named Phu Phan was trying to scam the children's parents for money
and yet you are happy about his action? Not a single complain from you nor
from any Hmong human right organizations was made directly against the Thai
government? Why is that?

3a. the sightings of the 28 Hmong children in Laos claimed in the letter
were made by anonymous presumably the relatives of the children, how is that
to be considered a proven fact eh, Doc? Oh, year, how coincidence! A
relative of one of the missing children was walking from Vang Vieng to
Borikhamxay, perhaps to sell his fruits and vegetables and voila with luck
on his side happened to see the 27 children jumping up and down in the
prison cells of Borikhamxay yelling for help...help! help! He then
reported the sighting to one of the children's father in the camp in
Thailand using his hand phone. LOL!

3b. Has it ever occur to your mind that these children perhaps are being
exploited by the Thai or by the Hmong themselves? If you come to think of
it, what is there for the Lao PDR to gain by doing what you think they are
doing to these children? Can you give us one good reason?

Phainam

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
No M16.. but those 29 children may be carried dealy birdflu to Laos..
or they may all trained spies as Thanouxay thinks... or those children
may even been wired with bombs to blast Laos off?... and the LPDR
border security have not even know that these deadly spies have crossed
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/social/2005/12/06/laos_hmong/
AND a open letter (dec 24th 2005) of plead (detailing the chronology of
the plight of those children) has been circulating to the UN and many
goverment since the reported deportation of these children to Laos.

http://www.lexicon.net/~lis01085/lao/Letter%20to%20UN%20-%20re-%2029%20Hmong%20children%20arrested.doc

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
And according the Yong, LPDR only learned about this issue when the US
Ambassador told Mr. Somsavat on 18 January 2006.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/6c02216cb984e22c
Intriguing... indeed.
But it is heart warming to know that the issue has been brought to the
surface and at least various Ambassadors in Laos have taken on the
issue to determine the fate of the children concern.

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Phainam et al...

Don't be too quick to jum into any conclusion. And by the way, Phainam,
I note your dislike of me but that is perfectly acceptable - just
remember your dislike of me - OK?

Phainam... Did you notice that I said that the whole story is
INTRIGUING!
May be you loose track of what is being said here, Phainam. My initial
post dated Jan 30, 5:20 pm said that "Why innocent children have to
be used by both countries in such absurdity? One country deported and
one country NOT seen these
children - and these children only re-appear from thin air after more
than one month in Laos? " (NOTE - I sais "BOTH COUNTRIES"

Do you find this intriguing?

Then Yong appeared and gave the LPDR official position on the issue
that the LPDR only learned about this issue when the US
Ambassador told Mr. Somsavat on 18 January 2006..ie. some 40+ day later
following the reported alleged deportation to Laos.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/6c02216cb984e22c

Do you find that intriguing?

And the chronology of what happen to these children in Thailand (true
or false - that's is yet to be determined) that was circulated in late
December. Do you find that intriguing as well? And NO more News report
from Thailand! Intriguing?

And lastly but not least... NOW it is becoming an international,
political issue that various government and NGO's are now engaging...Do
you NOT find that intriguing as well?

Do you find News article such as the one below intriguing? (JUST
REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NONE OF MY RAMBLING... BUT THIS IS BECOMING A
MESSY POLITICAL ISSUE that you and I just have to wait to see how the
whole stories unfolding - hence do not jump so quick to any
conclusion!!! my friend). SO MY INTIAL STATEMENT STANDS: "Why
innocent children have to be used by both countries in such absurdity?
One country deported and one country NOT seen these children - and
these children only re-appear from thin air after more than one month
in Laos? "
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/f7de241f5b6f0df1

Phainam... now you tell me..

Pao

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013106 - AP - U.S. urges Laos to provide access to children removed
from Thai settlement

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles?id=n20060131193809990010

Updated:2006-01-31 19:38:50

U.S. urges Laos to provide access to children removed from Thai
settlement

AP

WASHINGTON (AP)- The United States criticized Laos for failing to
account for the whereabouts of about 27 children taken from their
parents at a displaced persons settlement in northern Thailand and sent
to Laos.

The State Department said Tuesday the children were removed from the
Petchaboon displaced persons settlement in December. It said the Lao
government has declined repeated requests by international
organizations to see them.

It urged the Lao government "to provide immediate and unfettered access
to the children" and allow the United Nations to provide them shelter.

"We also call upon the Lao government to work with the international
community to find a solution as soon as possible that upholds the best
interests of the children and ultimately leads to reuniting them with
their parents," the department said in a statement.


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Nothing is known for sure yet... lots of stories... that those children
were arrested for whatever reason has yet to be told. Deportation? No
one know... but so far, the speculation is that those children were in
Laos..under whose custody? That remains to be seen as well.
Furtehrmore, the UNHCR, US Embassy, other unnamed Gov agencies are
getting involved.
Sop... don't rash too quickly to any conclusion... but just THINK that
is not a small thing any more as it is now become an international
issue and as some people has said, "it is getting very hard,
politically". This issue has gained the momentum and we just have to
wait to see how the story unfold in the days to come.

[Phainam_Muang]

Whether I like you or not it is of irrelevant to the issue being discussed,
Dr. Pao. Fact is I'm not in here to dislike or like anyone. I'm here to
express my opinion and unlike you I'm expressing it as I see fit. You on
the other hand, so suspicious of Laos thus in your eyes everything Laos
does, is negative and evil. I fall on your back yard, you blame Lao PDR and
that's what and how your world view of thing is, doc! LOL! Seriously,,,

Again, nothing new on the AP's report you sited. It doesn't prove nor has
any concrete evidences to prove that the children are, in fact, in Laos soil
and under Lao authoritative control as you suggested. The AP is simply
regurgitated what other western news media outlets have been saying on this
issue. We have heard it thousand of times already. It ain't mean a thing
and more importantly it ain't mean it is true...if there is please let us
know or better yet prove it.

Phainam

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Phainam...

I have read and noted your comment.
You or any one else have the right to exoress any personal oipion
although we differ in our opinion... but let's say that I agree to
disagree with you for NOW.

Finally, one more time, as I said in my concluding remark in my last
post.. " don't rash too quickly to any conclusion... but just THINK
that THIS is not a small thing any more as it is now become an
international issue and as some people has said, "it is getting very
hard, politically". This issue has gained the momentum and we just have
to wait to see how the story unfold in the days to come."

So, may be we can revisited this discussion later once the issue came
to conclude... and we may see in hightsight if I or you was the bad guy
and in the wrong! Do you want to have a bet on that?

Cheerio for now....

Pao

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Phainam..

For completness for Now... see :
http://usembassy.state.gov/laos/wwwhdetained.html

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For Immediate Release
2006/124
January 31, 2006


Statement by Adam Ereli, Deputy Spokesman
Children Detained by Lao Authorities

The United States is concerned about the welfare and whereabouts of a
group of approximately 27 children separated from their parents at the
Petchaboon displaced-persons settlement in northern Thailand and sent
into Laos last December. The Lao government has declined repeated
requests to clarify their whereabouts, to grant international
organizations such as the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) or
other UN agencies access to the children, and to ensure the provision
of adequate care for them. We find this obstruction by the Lao
Government troubling and disappointing.

In accordance with obligations it undertook by becoming a party to the
Convention on the Rights of the Child, we call upon the Lao Government
to provide immediate and unfettered access to the children. We urge the
Lao Government to allow UNICEF or other UN agencies to immediately
provide the children shelter so they can receive the appropriate care
while their status is resolved. We also call upon the Lao Government to
work with the international community to find a solution as soon as
possible that upholds the best interests of the children and ultimately
leads to reuniting them with their parents.

# # #

And there is even a Lao version as well:
http://usembassy.state.gov/laos/wwwfdetained.pdf

AND NOT to forget the LPDR position:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/6c02216cb984e22c
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/30a6f051932ab72a


Enough for now...

Pao

[thanouxay]

Pao and all,

Please notye that Adam Ereli failed to say is the following:

1. Who had separated the kids from their parents/family? Certaintly not
the Lao Government.
2. Who put them in jail and force them outside the territory of the
Kingdom (according to Thai Police report)? Of course, the Lao
Government is not involved.
3. Thai side never and at any moment notified the Lao side even at
district level of this illegal deportation.
4. Can anybody provide us with a proof that those kids had been
receptioned by Lao Authorities?

So Pao, take note that the Lao Government is not at all responsible of
this problem and will never take any responsibility on this matter.

It is surprising then that the Deputy Spokesman of US State Department
blamed Laos for obstruction to give access to those children. Please
also be aware that in order to provide access to those children, the
Lao Government has to have information on them such as Who deported
them? How they deported them? Have they brought those kids up the Lao
border or had they kick those kids over boad and let them swim accross
Mekong river?

Therefore, Adam Ereli misdirect his blame to a party which did not
cause to problem and which is not responsible of this accident.

But somehow, we told US Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach that thanks to
humanitarian policy and our concern for kids, we will look into the
matter and will inform her on any further development.

But we will never tolerate any threat, blame, pressure from her.

Please comment.

[ເຈົ້າດັງຕັນ ນະອັດຕະປື]

Post by thanouxay
Pao and all,
1. Who had separated the kids from their parents/family? Certaintly not
the Lao Government.
2. Who put them in jail and force them outside the territory of the
Kingdom (according to Thai Police report)? Of course, the Lao
Government is not involved.
3. Thai side never and at any moment notified the Lao side even at
district level of this illegal deportation.
4. Can anybody provide us with a proof that those kids had been
receptioned by Lao Authorities?
So Pao, take note that the Lao Government is not at all responsible of
this problem and will never take any responsibility on this matter.
It is surprising then that the Deputy Spokesman of US State Department
blamed Laos for obstruction to give access to those children. Please
also be aware that in order to provide access to those children, the
Lao Government has to have information on them such as Who deported
them? How they deported them? Have they brought those kids up the Lao
border or had they kick those kids over boad and let them swim accross
Mekong river?
Therefore, Adam Ereli misdirect his blame to a party which did not
cause to problem and which is not responsible of this accident.
But somehow, we told US Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach that thanks to
humanitarian policy and our concern for kids, we will look into the
matter and will inform her on any further development.
But we will never tolerate any threat, blame, pressure from her.
Please comment.

Bravo! Well Done! And with tact too! You are a statesman and a
gentleman Mr. C.

Bravo!

TKM

[SYS]

Hello Thanouxay:

Thanks to your comments here on the disappearance of the 27 Hmong that
were supposely sent back to Laos by SOME Thai authorities, without any
credible witnesses or any knowledge by the Lao Embassy in Bangkok.

I wish that UNHCR, USA, Thailand and Laos could find those missing
Hmong ASAP. Otherwise, we would understand the good neighboring
relations between Laos and Thailand are not as solid as they appear,
and further development on the Lao-Thai relationship will be badly
needed, despite all the economical and commercial benefits that both
sides seem to enjoy for some time.

SYS

[thanouxay]

Sys,

There is no link between this minor case and the relationship s a big
picture between Laos and Thailand. You may wish to consider what is
this minor case if compared to US $ hundred of of millions in Trade
exchange between Laos and Thailand?

If you wish to better understand this issue, you may wish to study more
on what is going on in Houay Nam Khao, Thai Phetchaboun. You may also
note that the fact that Thai National Security Council was playing
around with Hmong, backfired them now.

While finishing the Volonteer Rapatriation Programme with UNHCR and
Thailand, Lao Foreign Minister asked Mr. Prasong Soonsri, former Chief
of thai Security Council and then Foreign Minister of Thailand, how
about Tham Krabok. He also asked: "Do Thailand intends to close down
Thamkrabok?" and How about the Hmong in Thamkrabok?".

Prasong Soonsri replied to him the following: Thamkrabok is not your
business and the Hmong in Thamkrabok are Thai Hmong and therefore, do
not have anything do do with Laos.

Today anarchy in Houay Namkhao clearly show that this hot potatoes
backfire them seriously.

Sok dee

[vannasay]

Even more so to my previous notion about the last unwanted bastion of
the Hmong people caught up as guinea pigs between two different
political interests at the frontline of two countries which are pulling
the string for taking advantage of each other. One thing I do wish is
that American position should be clear and neutral, not to step out of
the bound of humanitarian, otherwise the suffering for these guinea
pigs are going to be more intensified.
It will be interesting to learn whether Sayasith knows any Hmong
humatarian organization in US that steps in for any assistance in this
matter,,,I don't mean any of those hardcore outdated Thamkrabok,,,

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Thanouxay,

Thank you for you many posts on this issues. I noted your comment about
the US statement AND I also noted what you said about the LPDR
position.
But I do not fully understand the diplomatic language & game as you ...
so may be you can help us here to clarify one point:
In your OFFICIAL ststement, have you provided information about this
question that has been looming for weeks: ** Are those children in Laos
or NOT? **

If "NO" - can you just make it official that "those children are NOT in
Laos"... so the LPDR can come CLEAN on this issue - so others can stop
the "threat, blame, pressure..." on Laos.

If "YES"... then van you make it clear and let UNICEF and others to
take care of those kids - then Laos has done a GOOD deed and will be
praised highly. A huge PLUS for Laos! And furthermore, the
international "threat, blame, pressure..." will be directed on Thailand
- the bad guy. Thailand will have to provide answer why those kids end
up in Laos ect...

BUT by NOT saying Yes or No, you leave yourself open for criticism.
If I am wrong... please enlighten me.

Regards,

Pao

[thanouxay]

Dr. Pao,

I was quite explicit in my posting. You may wish to go back and read it
carefully. If you fail to understand it, sorry for you, Doctor.

Sok dee

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
Thanouxay,
Thank you for you many posts on this issues. I noted your comment about
the US statement AND I also noted what you said about the LPDR
position.
But I do not fully understand the diplomatic language & game as you ...
In your OFFICIAL ststement, have you provided information about this
question that has been looming for weeks: ** Are those children in Laos
or NOT? **
If "NO" - can you just make it official that "those children are NOT in
Laos"... so the LPDR can come CLEAN on this issue - so others can stop
the "threat, blame, pressure..." on Laos.
If "YES"... then van you make it clear and let UNICEF and others to
take care of those kids - then Laos has done a GOOD deed and will be
praised highly. A huge PLUS for Laos! And furthermore, the
international "threat, blame, pressure..." will be directed on Thailand
- the bad guy. Thailand will have to provide answer why those kids end
up in Laos ect...
BUT by NOT saying Yes or No, you leave yourself open for criticism.
If I am wrong... please enlighten me.
Regards,
Pao

[ເຈົ້າດັງຕັນ ນະອັຕະປື]

Mr. C,
Réponse très bonne.

Pao,
Toute autre chose vous êtes confondu au sujet du docteur? Au cas où
je dire l'entraîneur, coach?

55555555

TKM

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

Thanouxay,

Thank you for your quick reply.

Yes...Now... that I have checked ALL your posts, I even printed them
out and underline every words, analyse every words that you wrote...
and NOW I can say categorically that you have been quite EXPLICIT on
this issue.

Once again, Thank You.

Pao

[ເຈົ້າດັງຕັນ ນະອັຕະປື]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net

Post by thanouxay
Dr. Pao,
I was quite explicit in my posting. You may wish to go back and read it
carefully. If you fail to understand it, sorry for you, Doctor.

Yes...Now... that I have checked ALL your posts, I even printed them
out and underline every words, analyse every words that you wrote...
and NOW I can say categorically that you have been quite EXPLICIT on
this issue.

Much easier to read with the blinders off huh? 5555555 You wouldn't
have had to re-read if you didn't have them on in the first place.

TKM

[d***@dex.hmoob.net]

TKM...

LOL... Some people just never know what a fool one can be!!!

[thanouxay]

DR. Pao,

Don't you noticed that you are too Hmong Centric... I though that you
are Lao on top of all before of course becoming australian.

Sok dee

[ເຈົ້າດັງຕັນ ນະອັຕະປື]

Post by d***@dex.hmoob.net
TKM...
LOL... Some people just never know what a fool one can be!!!

Talking about yourself again doc? 55555555555555555555555
ຫມາເຖົ້າສອນບໍ່ໃດ້
555555555555555555555555
Can't teach an old

[vannasay]

First of all, the Bangkok AFP news is quite candid about the
questionable expulsion of these twenty six Hmong kids,,, Once again,
it's appalling to see these Thai corrupted officials still perpetrate
the same mob tactic to victimize refugees thirty years after those
abuses of power in the refugee camps, in which there's no over sighted
preliminary hearing, but arbitrarily and frequently violated many Lao
people's basic human rights of seeking refuge in their homeland at the
peak of the Vietnam War,,,

This history lesson, ever since, has been forgotten,,,I'm perplexed by
three questions in this heat conversation.

1. Their expulsion remains a mystery since no apparent reason has been
given to their infrangement.

2. If that's done in secrecy, that means that Thai authority was itself
in fear of violating these kids' rights and avoid at all cost any
UNHCR's knowledge.

3. As Mr. Spokesman, Yong said that Lao PDR had not been notified by
the Thai authority prior to the expulsion toward Lao territory,,,It
seems unlikely, otherwise it would have triggered a real diplomatic
showdown between two governments often known to be less sympathetic to
the unwanted Hmong refugees still stuck under their watch,,,What
version of event that will be between two countries only time will
tell.

In the meantime, these Hmong kids seem to become the guinea pigs not
only set by some Hmong groups, but also by Lao and Thai officials as
well,,,And the story of kid spy and frontier foot soldier doesn't
really fit to the spirit of problem solving for any people's government
which should be seeking their reeducation and later inresertion into
the normal society to prevent any future exploitation.

[s***@yahoo.fr]

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL set up an URGENT ACTION !!!!!
LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC : Up to 29 ethnic Hmong people,
including 23 children
Forcible return/Arbitrary detention/Torture/Ill-treatment

http://www.amnestyinternational.be/doc/article6985.html

You can take part in this urgent action : ask your friends to send
letters !

Surya
http://www.laofr.net
Lao Community in France

[Her Lao]

one example of a very sadly put together society ---- LAOS, that
is,,, when you have its poorest, most illiterate, most defendless,
running away from it, from their brith country, in seek of shelter
in another country that is known to treat immigrants like aliens,,,

but this and other episodes since 1975, a period which saw
close to 10 percent of its population getting out of it, testifies
to LAOS leaders brutality and about the general LAOTIAN
population in LAOS being hopeless, helpless, and discouraged.

they will only say: "See, we told you not to be bad and say bad
things, untrue things about the correct and good govenment of
LAOS,,, but if you don't believe us, don't do as it says, and
question it,,,, then this is what you deserve,,,"

it is a sad testament to one of the poorest countries on earth and
how it treats its poor people.

but, oh, it pads itself (the leaders, the CORRECT LEADERS and
their leadership, that is),,, it pads itself on the back day and night,
congratulating itself on what a job it has been doing in bringing
up LAOS and her people from the very back of the pack to, well,
at least not the last 10 any more.

but, yes, don't say nothing about the correct and good leadership,
if you don't have any thing positive or "constructive" to say! LOL

LAOS, under the current CORRECT LEADERSHIP, is doing
JUST BRILLIANTLY in education, science and research,
engineering, governance reform, social and economic reforms,
and so on!!! Just brilliant; any one who says otherwise are jut
JEALOUS of her big achievements!!!

[s***@yahoo.fr]

Page of INTERNATIONAL AMNESTY strongly visited !

The Web page (in French) of Amnesty International (BE) devoted to a
"Urgent Action" in favour of the Hmong children is strongly visited
since Friday February 24, 2006 after referencing by
http://www.laofr.net . Indeed the page passed from 7% of popularity
level to 100% today.

http://www.amnestyinternational.be/doc/article6992.html (in French)

I hope that there is a massive sending of letters to the authorities of
the RDPL.
You can also do circulate thit information around you, compared to the
contacts which you have in your address mall books . Here is another
way of using this mean of communication (Internet) in our fight for the
Democracy.

The page in English obtains only 11% :
http://www.amnestyinternational.be/doc/article6985.html
Why ? Lao-Americans (or Lao-Australian) can't do better than that ?

Surya
http://www.laofr.net
Lao Community in France