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Tony Cooper
2021-04-13 20:19:43 UTC
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OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.

Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.

Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.

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Ken Blake
2021-04-13 20:46:32 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Looks great!
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Ken
Quinn C
2021-04-13 22:35:57 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Looks great!
But why is it on fire?
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Tony Cooper
2021-04-13 23:29:06 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:35:57 -0400, Quinn C
Post by Quinn C
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Looks great!
But why is it on fire?
The sun was low in the horizon and that's the sun's reflection on the
osprey's feathers. It was flying roughly southeast.
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-13 20:56:01 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Tony Cooper
2021-04-13 21:47:18 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake anywhere
around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a fish in its
talons.

On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest. The
osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.

Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
J. J. Lodder
2021-04-14 10:44:11 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake anywhere
around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a fish in its
talons.
Almost extinct in these parts, but the population is recovering.
There are only a few breeding pairs, first in 2016.

Most of those seen are just passing by,

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-14 15:44:04 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake anywhere
around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a fish in its
talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest. The
osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
Good for them!

But you might run out of fish!
J. J. Lodder
2021-04-14 16:40:19 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake anywhere
around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a fish in its
talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest. The
osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
Good for them!
But you might run out of fish!
If so, they may get naturally selected,

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-14 18:15:32 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake anywhere
around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a fish in its
talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest. The
osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
Good for them!
But you might run out of fish!
If so, they may get naturally selected,
By switching to small mammals!
Peter Moylan
2021-04-15 00:52:44 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake
anywhere around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a
fish in its talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest.
The osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
I don't think I've ever seen an osprey, but our pelicans seem to fulfil
the post-sitting requirement.

(Wikipedia says that in Australia osprey are "found patchily around the
coastline", whatever that means. I've covered a lot of coastline over
the years, but I must have gone to the wrong patches.)
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Tony Cooper
2021-04-15 04:26:48 UTC
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:52:44 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake
anywhere around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a
fish in its talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest.
The osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
I don't think I've ever seen an osprey, but our pelicans seem to fulfil
the post-sitting requirement.
The pelicans here sit on much shorter posts.

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Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Peter Moylan
2021-04-15 03:46:44 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:52:44 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake
anywhere around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a
fish in its talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest.
The osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
I don't think I've ever seen an osprey, but our pelicans seem to fulfil
the post-sitting requirement.
The pelicans here sit on much shorter posts.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-shqCTdm/0/dc462517/O/2012-02-28-131.jpg
Ours seem to go for the really tall poles. I couldn't find a Newcastle
example, but this is typical.

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Mark Brader
2021-04-15 05:49:41 UTC
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I am once again reminded of:

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J. J. Lodder
2021-04-15 08:10:59 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Osprey are very common around here. Just about every football field
is home to an osprey family. They nest on top of the field light
poles. They are never more than a few wing flaps from a lake
anywhere around here, so I occasionally see an osprey flying with a
fish in its talons.
On Interstate 4 between here and Tampa, every X (I've never counted)
light pole has a platform built on top of it for an osprey nest.
The osprey will build a nest anyway if there's no platform, so the
authorities provide the platforms so the nests won't interfere with
the lighting or structure.
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
I don't think I've ever seen an osprey, but our pelicans seem to fulfil
the post-sitting requirement.
(Wikipedia says that in Australia osprey are "found patchily around the
coastline", whatever that means. I've covered a lot of coastline over
the years, but I must have gone to the wrong patches.)
We have Cormorants for that kind of job.
They are not disturbed by the noise of twelve lanes of motorway
below them.

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-04-15 13:43:05 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Even the light poles in the parking lots of the malls have platforms
and osprey nests.
I don't think I've ever seen an osprey, but our pelicans seem to fulfil
the post-sitting requirement.
Does her beak hold more than her belly can? (O. Nash)
Post by Peter Moylan
(Wikipedia says that in Australia osprey are "found patchily around the
coastline", whatever that means. I've covered a lot of coastline over
the years, but I must have gone to the wrong patches.)
Maybe "found patchily" refers to something akin to mange in a mammal.
J. J. Lodder
2021-04-14 10:44:11 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Mostly a myth. Their diet is almost exclusively fish.
It is also called a fish hawk with good reason,

Jan
Janet
2021-04-14 12:24:08 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Ospreys here don't take on anything as fat and feisty as a cat.

My son's neighbour (millionaire crook) has a wonderful man-made fishing
lake (several acres, islands, swans, the lot) much enjoyed by ospreys.
We enjoy watching the ospreys fishing.

Janet
Quinn C
2021-04-14 12:47:50 UTC
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Post by Janet
Ospreys here don't take on anything as fat and feisty as a cat.
My son's neighbour (millionaire crook) has a wonderful man-made fishing
lake (several acres, islands, swans, the lot)
Golf course?
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Zoey: It's easy! It's just like talking to girls, but you got to
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Jerry Friedman
2021-04-14 14:59:33 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Does it live nearby? "Lock up your kitties!"
Ospreys here don't take on anything as fat and feisty as a cat.
Or as terrestrial.
Post by Janet
My son's neighbour (millionaire crook) has a wonderful man-made fishing
lake (several acres, islands, swans, the lot) much enjoyed by ospreys.
We enjoy watching the ospreys fishing.
Definitely fun.

Drifting a bit... I recently used "fake lake" elsewhere, and some people
hadn't seen it and couldn't figure it out. (The context wasn't helpful.)
Do people here know that phrase?
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Mark Brader
2021-04-14 19:14:05 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Janet
My son's neighbour (millionaire crook) has a wonderful man-made fishing
lake...
Drifting a bit... I recently used "fake lake" elsewhere, and some people
hadn't seen it and couldn't figure it out. (The context wasn't helpful.)
Do people here know that phrase?
I never saw it before, and I'm not sure whether I'd figure it out myself.
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Mark Brader
2021-04-13 20:56:04 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game
(Insert wisecrack about Americans and guns here.)
Post by Tony Cooper
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Nice!
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Jerry Friedman
2021-04-13 20:58:08 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Lovely. Looks like "golden hour" light.
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occam
2021-04-13 21:00:43 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Nice photo! I'm a bit puzzled though. You say you shot this at night
while photographing a lacross game? The photo does not look like a night
shot. The background looks ... sky blue.
Tony Cooper
2021-04-13 21:37:56 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Nice photo! I'm a bit puzzled though. You say you shot this at night
while photographing a lacross game? The photo does not look like a night
shot. The background looks ... sky blue.
The photograph was taken at 7:44 PM EDT. The lacrosse game started at
7:00 PM. The EXIF data shows 6:44 PM, but the camera isn't set for
EDT. It stays daylight here until sometime just after 8 PM this time
of year. The drop from daylight to dark can be rather sudden.

At the time this shot was taken, the playing field would have been in
heavy shadow (it sits roughly North/South) and the bleachers on the
west side of the field cast shadows on the field. The sky's bright,
though.

I start photographing a 7:00 PM game at ISO 200 and 1/500th. This
shot was at ISO 400, so I had boosted my ISO to compensate for the
shadowed field.
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Lewis
2021-04-13 23:33:20 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Nice photo! I'm a bit puzzled though. You say you shot this at night
while photographing a lacross game? The photo does not look like a night
shot. The background looks ... sky blue.
What time is sunset in Orlando right now? 8pm or so?

I'd call that night.
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Tony Cooper
2021-04-13 23:52:58 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by occam
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
Nice photo! I'm a bit puzzled though. You say you shot this at night
while photographing a lacross game? The photo does not look like a night
shot. The background looks ... sky blue.
What time is sunset in Orlando right now? 8pm or so?
I'd call that night.
It is 7:45 PM as I write this, almost exactly 24 hours after I shot
that photo. Sunset is at 7:50.

As I look out the window, it's almost dark at ground level, but if I
took a photograph with the camera aimed at the sky it would be about
the color as yesterday's shot of the osprey. However, my view from
this window is to the northwest. My photo was shot to the southeast.
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Janet
2021-04-14 12:17:05 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, tonycooper214
@gmail.com says...
Post by Tony Cooper
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
What an amazing shot, thanks for showing us.

Janet
Snidely
2021-05-04 06:29:11 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a clump of
Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material.
Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just
lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and
fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast (Merritt
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.



/dps
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_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
CDB
2021-05-04 11:04:38 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened
to look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a
clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material. Not as
in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just lifted
the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and fired
off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast (Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.

Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro campana/
Pajaro choguy. This one seems to be Procnias albus:


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Snidely
2021-05-06 17:55:31 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened
to look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's trailing a
clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for nest material. Not as
in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation where I just lifted
the camera, tried to find the osprey in the viewfinder, and fired
off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast (Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.
You don't have to watch two hours to get to the feathered part. And
you don't have to stay for the post-feathered part. The t= is
basically a book mark (F).
Post by Snidely
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro campana/
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
/dps
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CDB
2021-05-06 20:12:04 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher
here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and
happened to look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's
trailing a clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for nest
material. Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation
where I just lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the
viewfinder, and fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast
(Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.
You don't have to watch two hours to get to the feathered part. And
you don't have to stay for the post-feathered part. The t= is
basically a book mark (F).
Thanks. I knew that, but my subconscious may have decided to trick me
into posting. It'll do anything for a joke.
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what "purahei"
means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
Snidely
2021-05-07 08:06:18 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher
here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and
happened to look up and see this osprey flying overhead. It's
trailing a clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for nest
material. Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a situation
where I just lifted the camera, tried to find the osprey in the
viewfinder, and fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast
(Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.
You don't have to watch two hours to get to the feathered part. And
you don't have to stay for the post-feathered part. The t= is
basically a book mark (F).
Thanks. I knew that, but my subconscious may have decided to trick me
into posting. It'll do anything for a joke.
Well, of course. That'll do for a pass.
Post by CDB
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what "purahei"
means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
I couldn't tell if some of the cranes were dark, or if I was just
seeing shadows. (I definitely saw /some/ shadows.)

/dps
--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
CDB
2021-05-07 11:28:28 UTC
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Post by CDB
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher
here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and
happened to look up and see this osprey flying overhead.
It's trailing a clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for
nest material. Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a
situation where I just lifted the camera, tried to find the
osprey in the viewfinder, and fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast (Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.
You don't have to watch two hours to get to the feathered part.
And you don't have to stay for the post-feathered part. The t=
is basically a book mark (F).
Thanks. I knew that, but my subconscious may have decided to trick
me into posting. It'll do anything for a joke.
Well, of course. That'll do for a pass.
Post by CDB
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?

The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love) and
"mboraiju" (I love you).
Post by Snidely
I couldn't tell if some of the cranes were dark, or if I was just
seeing shadows. (I definitely saw /some/ shadows.)
Your guess is as good as mine; probably better.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-05-07 11:53:59 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Post by CDB
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Post by Tony Cooper
OK, it's off-topic, but we have at least one bird-watcher here.
Last night I was shooting my grandson's lacrosse game and happened to
look up and see this osprey flying overhead.
It's trailing a clump of Spanish Moss that will be used for
nest material. Not as in-focus as I'd like, but it was a
situation where I just lifted the camera, tried to find the
osprey in the viewfinder, and fired off a shot.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Birds/i-PHqXT5X/0/68890640/O/2021-04-12-0.jpg
For the amusement of some, here's a view from the East Coast (Merritt
Post by Snidely
Island). Some regurgitation may be involved.
http://youtu.be/z6d2zjw5CXA
Two hours? I throw up my hands.
You don't have to watch two hours to get to the feathered part.
And you don't have to stay for the post-feathered part. The t=
is basically a book mark (F).
Thanks. I knew that, but my subconscious may have decided to trick
me into posting. It'll do anything for a joke.
Well, of course. That'll do for a pass.
Post by CDB
Post by Snidely
Post by Snidely
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro campana/
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Alas no, it weren't me wot said it. The nearest I've got to Asunción
was to fly over it. I have been to Paraguay, however, if you count what
must be the least typical part of the entire country, the Paraguayan
half of the power station at Itaipú.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love) and
"mboraiju" (I love you).
Post by Snidely
I couldn't tell if some of the cranes were dark, or if I was just
seeing shadows. (I definitely saw /some/ shadows.)
Your guess is as good as mine; probably better.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
CDB
2021-05-07 13:09:02 UTC
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Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the
Bell-bird/Pajaro campana/ Pajaro choguy. This one seems to
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like
"down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here
once spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Alas no, it weren't me wot said it. The nearest I've got to Asunción
was to fly over it. I have been to Paraguay, however, if you count
what must be the least typical part of the entire country, the
Paraguayan half of the power station at Itaipú.
Pity. Thanks for the swift dispatch. Ping anybody??
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love)
and "mboraiju" (I love you).
Post by Snidely
I couldn't tell if some of the cranes were dark, or if I was
just seeing shadows. (I definitely saw /some/ shadows.)
Your guess is as good as mine; probably better.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-07 12:49:51 UTC
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Post by CDB
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love) and
"mboraiju" (I love you).
CDB
2021-05-07 13:10:25 UTC
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Post by CDB
Post by CDB
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love) and
"mboraiju" (I love you).
Ah, thanks. Ping DavidK!
Quinn C
2021-05-07 17:22:53 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by CDB
Post by CDB
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju" (love) and
"mboraiju" (I love you).
Ah, thanks. Ping DavidK!
It seems to mean something like "song, hymn, chant":

<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
--
The Eskimoes had fifty-two names for snow because it was
important to them, there ought to be as many for love.
-- Margaret Atwood, Surfacing (novel), p.106
CDB
2021-05-08 11:14:10 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by CDB
Post by CDB
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the
Belbird/Pajaro campana/ Pajaro choguy. This one seems
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out
what "purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like
"down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars
here once spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju"
(love) and "mboraiju" (I love you).
Ah, thanks. Ping DavidK!
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too. I
was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei, "Purahei paha".

Thank you.


Quinn C
2021-05-08 15:16:29 UTC
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Post by CDB
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by CDB
Post by CDB
Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the
Belbird/Pajaro campana/ Pajaro choguy. This one seems
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out
what "purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like
"down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars
here once spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
Post by CDB
The only words I know are from popular songs -- "rojaiju"
(love) and "mboraiju" (I love you).
Ah, thanks. Ping DavidK!
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too. I
was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei, "Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.

Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice that it's
not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I wonder if the
phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
--
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They just want to have a good time and make jokes.
Mae: Oh, so they're British?
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CDB
2021-05-09 11:16:12 UTC
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[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too.
I was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei,
"Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.

There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when I
was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona Galarza. I
heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich tradition of
making and singing love-songs before the Spanish arrived.

I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though. What I
hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish, four lines
beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not. There are even
a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice that
it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I wonder
if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-09 14:01:47 UTC
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[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too.
I was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei,
"Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when I
was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona Galarza. I
heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich tradition of
making and singing love-songs before the Spanish arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though. What I
hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish, four lines
beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not. There are even
a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice that
it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I wonder
if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but
it does have glottal stop):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology

(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
S K
2021-05-09 14:28:43 UTC
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Post by CDB
[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too.
I was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei,
"Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when I
was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona Galarza. I
heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich tradition of
making and singing love-songs before the Spanish arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though. What I
hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish, four lines
beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not. There are even
a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice that
it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I wonder
if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology
(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
Anything that comes out of the mouth or pen of a linguist is an idiotic lie, even if
covered by weasel-words like "appears".
CDB
2021-05-10 11:10:40 UTC
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[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation
too. I was misled by the scenes of country life in another
purahei, "Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
Post by CDB
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when
I was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona
Galarza. I heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich
tradition of making and singing love-songs before the Spanish
arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though.
What I hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish,
four lines beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not.
There are even a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice
that it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I
wonder if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology
(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
I wouldn't claim to have a precise knowledge of Guarani phonology.
There are sounds in the lyrics of "Purahei Paha" (for example) that
sound like o-umlaut to me. In any case, they are not found in Spanish.

I see the link is still there, if you care to try your hand at defining
them.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-10 12:47:57 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation
too. I was misled by the scenes of country life in another
purahei, "Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
Post by CDB
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when
I was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona
Galarza. I heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich
tradition of making and singing love-songs before the Spanish
arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though.
What I hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish,
four lines beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not.
There are even a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice
that it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I
wonder if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology
(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
I wouldn't claim to have a precise knowledge of Guarani phonology.
There are sounds in the lyrics of "Purahei Paha" (for example) that
sound like o-umlaut to me. In any case, they are not found in Spanish.
I see the link is still there, if you care to try your hand at defining
them.
There are some front-rounded vowels -- a bunch of them in the stanza
starting about 3:55. But enough not to just be the singer's idiosyncrasy?
CDB
2021-05-10 13:27:43 UTC
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Post by CDB
Post by CDB
[cry for help: purahei]
Post by Quinn C
Post by CDB
Post by Quinn C
<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible
interpetation too. I was misled by the scenes of country
life in another purahei, "Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by CDB
Post by CDB
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular
when I was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by
Ramona Galarza. I heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani
had a rich tradition of making and singing love-songs before
the Spanish arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though.
What I hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish,
four lines beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is
not. There are even a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice
that it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I
know. I wonder if the phonetics has been warped by
bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology
(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
I wouldn't claim to have a precise knowledge of Guarani phonology.
There are sounds in the lyrics of "Purahei Paha" (for example)
that sound like o-umlaut to me. In any case, they are not found in
Spanish.
I see the link is still there, if you care to try your hand at
defining them.
There are some front-rounded vowels -- a bunch of them in the stanza
starting about 3:55. But enough not to just be the singer's
idiosyncrasy?
I don't think so. Here is "Virginia", sung in Guarani by a different
artist. It was the first Guarania I ever heard, thanks to Old Rawhide
(CBC world music, ahead of its time) in 1959.

I hear the same vowel, quite clearly in the second or third verse.

https://musicaparaguayaletras.blogspot.com/2012/12/virginia.html
Peter T. Daniels
2021-05-10 13:40:27 UTC
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[cry for help: purahei]
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<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible
interpetation too. I was misled by the scenes of country
life in another purahei, "Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
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There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular
when I was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by
Ramona Galarza. I heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani
had a rich tradition of making and singing love-songs before
the Spanish arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though.
What I hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish,
four lines beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is
not. There are even a few "mboraiju"s in it.
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Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice
that it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I
know. I wonder if the phonetics has been warped by
bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
Guarani appears not to have phonemic front-rounded vowels (but it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_language#Phonology
(Neither does Quechua, the other likely nearby candidate.)
I wouldn't claim to have a precise knowledge of Guarani phonology.
There are sounds in the lyrics of "Purahei Paha" (for example)
that sound like o-umlaut to me. In any case, they are not found in
Spanish.
I see the link is still there, if you care to try your hand at
defining them.
There are some front-rounded vowels -- a bunch of them in the stanza
starting about 3:55. But enough not to just be the singer's
idiosyncrasy?
I don't think so. Here is "Virginia", sung in Guarani by a different
artist. It was the first Guarania I ever heard, thanks to Old Rawhide
(CBC world music, ahead of its time) in 1959.
I hear the same vowel, quite clearly in the second or third verse.
https://musicaparaguayaletras.blogspot.com/2012/12/virginia.html
They seem to occur only at the ends of lines, suggesting that it's an
artistic convention of some sort.

The Tupi-Guarani chapter of the Cambridge Language Surveys
volume *The Amazonian Languages* is resolutely historical and
doesn't offer detailed information on modern languages, however
widely spoken.
Quinn C
2021-05-10 16:58:50 UTC
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[cry for help: purahei]
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<https://www.iguarani.com/?palabra=purahei>
So it does; and that seems like a very sensible interpetation too.
I was misled by the scenes of country life in another purahei,
"Purahei paha".
Thank you.
http://youtu.be/yCcTjg-Lh64
But it's in Spanish. So is every other "purahei" I tried so far.
There are many with versions in Spanish; two that were popular when I
was around were "Aguacera" and "Rio Manso", both by Ramona Galarza. I
heard long ago , somewhere, that the Guarani had a rich tradition of
making and singing love-songs before the Spanish arrived.
I'm puzzled by what you said about the one at the link, though. What I
hear is mostly in Guarani. There is a chorus in Spanish, four lines
beginning with "No olvides, mujer", but the rest is not. There are even
a few "mboraiju"s in it.
Then I guess it's the thing I mentioned later. My Spanish isn't good
enough that I can expect to understand a whole sentence. It happens, but
it may not in a song. So I heard a few Spanish words I recognize, and
the rest wasn't phonetically different enough to say "ah, here the
language changes".
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Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice that
it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I wonder
if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
I didn't find the o-umlaut ([ø] or [œ]). Again, my Spanish isn't good
enough to say that these things aren't variant Spanish pronunciations.

Possibly even a "singing" variant. For example, the regular u in
Japanese is [ɯ̟], but I've heard from various singers a fronted and
rounded realization that sounds like [ʏ] to my German ears. This happens
almost never in speaking, at least in the two major dialects.
--
The seeds of new thought, sown in a ground that isn't prepared
to receive them, don't bear fruit.
-- Hedwig Dohm (1874), my translation
CDB
2021-05-11 11:18:15 UTC
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[the awful Guarani language]
Post by Quinn C
Then I guess it's the thing I mentioned later. My Spanish isn't good
enough that I can expect to understand a whole sentence. It happens,
but it may not in a song. So I heard a few Spanish words I recognize,
and the rest wasn't phonetically different enough to say "ah, here
the language changes".
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Post by Quinn C
Then again, when I listen to spoken Guarani, I hardly notice
that it's not Spanish, just that I don't find any words I know. I
wonder if the phonetics has been warped by bilingualism.
I hear a lot of sounds that are not Spanish. the o-umlaut, the
semivocalic [y] and the glottal stop come to mind.
I didn't find the o-umlaut ([ø] or [œ]). Again, my Spanish isn't
good enough to say that these things aren't variant Spanish
pronunciations.
Possibly even a "singing" variant. For example, the regular u in
Japanese is [ɯ̟], but I've heard from various singers a fronted and
rounded realization that sounds like [ʏ] to my German ears. This
happens almost never in speaking, at least in the two major
dialects.
I suppose that is possible. That or a dialectal variation.
Stefan Ram
2021-05-11 18:09:53 UTC
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Possibly even a "singing" variant. For example, the regular u in
Japanese is [ɯ̟], but I've heard from various singers a fronted and
rounded realization that sounds like [ʏ] to my German ears. This
happens almost never in speaking, at least in the two major
dialects.
I suppose that is possible. That or a dialectal variation.
The regular Japanese [ɯ̟] also is a bit rounded
(half-rounded), but not as much as [u] (fully rounded).

It is more front (central) and fully rounded in younger
speakers in mediatic pronunciation (pronunciation from
non-local TV and radio). When people grow older, they do not
keep this pronunciation, but change it into the standard [ɯ̟].

It also can become more open in colloquial speech ([ʊ̟]).

Luciano Canepari writes it as [ɯ̮] because the position of
his [ɯ] is where [ɯ̟] is in the standard IPA, and he also
indicates the half-rounding (in his more recent works [2017]).
Stefan Ram
2021-05-11 18:19:40 UTC
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Supersedes: <u-***@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
(addition to 3rd paragraph)
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Post by Quinn C
Possibly even a "singing" variant. For example, the regular u in
Japanese is [ɯ̟], but I've heard from various singers a fronted and
rounded realization that sounds like [ʏ] to my German ears. This
happens almost never in speaking, at least in the two major
dialects.
I suppose that is possible. That or a dialectal variation.
The regular Japanese [ɯ̟] also is a bit rounded
(half-rounded), but not as much as [u] (fully rounded).

It is more front (central) and fully rounded in younger
speakers in mediatic pronunciation (pronunciation from
non-local TV and radio). When people grow older, they do not
keep this pronunciation, but change it into the standard [ɯ̟].

It also can become more open in colloquial speech (at the
position of [ʊ̟], but with less rounding).

Luciano Canepari writes it as [ɯ̮] because the position of
his [ɯ] is where [ɯ̟] is in the standard IPA, and he also
indicates the half-rounding (in his more recent works [2017]).

David Kleinecke
2021-05-07 21:20:56 UTC
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Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the Belbird/Pajaro
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like "down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here once
spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
If I did mention learning Guarani - and it is quite possible I did - I never got
around to it. My specialization was the language family called Nu-Arawak
by its original formulator and apparently usually called Maipuran which is
a better name. The best known Maipuran language is Lokono which is
still spoken in Suriname (a long way from Paraguay) but Maipuran has
members scattered all over South America. The Wikipedia article on
Lokono is singularly bad even by Wikipedia standards.

Guarani is a Tupi-Guarani language. Tupi-Guarani is another widespread
language family.
CDB
2021-05-08 11:01:31 UTC
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Here is a song for our birdwatchers, about the
Belbird/Pajaro campana/ Pajaro choguy. This one seems to
http://youtu.be/2z0w3nGhmIA
That was a Paraguay Purahei. I still haven't figured out what
"purahei" means in Guarani -- maybe something like
"down-home"?
That was a public appeal: I recall that one of the regulars here
once spoke of having learned Guarani -- Athel?
Probably DK, one of whose interests is South American languages.
If I did mention learning Guarani - and it is quite possible I did -
I never got around to it. My specialization was the language family
called Nu-Arawak by its original formulator and apparently usually
called Maipuran which is a better name. The best known Maipuran
language is Lokono which is still spoken in Suriname (a long way
from Paraguay) but Maipuran has members scattered all over South
America. The Wikipedia article on Lokono is singularly bad even by
Wikipedia standards.
Guarani is a Tupi-Guarani language. Tupi-Guarani is another
widespread language family.
Curses. Thank you for putting me out of my misery.
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