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OT: Mr M needs to cover this!
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a***@gmail.com
2018-05-30 14:01:33 UTC
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So Weezer just released a cover of Toto's 'Africa'.

Have a listen to one of the greatest songs ever. And Weezer nails it.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/weezer-releases-cover-of-totos-africa-following-social-media-campaign-listen/ar-AAxZ4Qn?ocid=spartandhp


Annie
Brenda M
2018-05-30 16:26:52 UTC
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Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.

Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.

Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.

Brenda
Kristen Cladek
2018-05-31 03:14:24 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
To Annie's credit, Mr. M has been doing an awful lot of cover songs....
b***@comcast.net
2018-05-31 03:49:34 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?

Dave
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2018-05-31 05:08:38 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.

"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive pronouncement. IMO.

Annie
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2018-05-31 05:32:08 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.
"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's >opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive >pronouncement. IMO.
Annie
Exhibit A: The magnificent Diana Krall singing Joni Mitchell's 'A Case of You'.

I DARE anyone to call Ms Krall "washed up". Seriously, just try, because I'll cut a bitch LOLOL!

And if Mr M covers this song I'm pretty sure I'd melt as much as I do when hearing Ms Krall's interpretation. A great song is a great song. An artist's interpretation is everything. Cover songs for the win!

Annie
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2018-05-31 05:33:25 UTC
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If I'm not mistaken, the group Take That did a cover of Could It Be Magic. Were they old and washed up?
a***@gmail.com
2018-05-31 05:51:33 UTC
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If I'm not mistaken, the group Take That did a cover of Could It Be Magic. Were they old and washed up?
And then there's Billy Joel:

https://secondhandsongs.com/artist/5091/covers

Annie
Blintzy
2018-05-31 10:57:03 UTC
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If I'm not mistaken, the group Take That did a cover of Could It Be Magic. Were they old and washed up?
You are not mistaken. So did Donna Summer.

Take That's uptempo version of CIBM was awful.
h***@aol.com
2018-05-31 12:49:14 UTC
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"Take That's uptempo version of CIBM was awful." Although it DID spawn a really fun Manilow version!
Blintzy
2018-05-31 17:55:00 UTC
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Barry's live uptempo version of CIBM certainly went down well, and still does. His recorded uptempo version was nowhere near as good.
b***@comcast.net
2018-06-01 00:06:23 UTC
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Barry's live uptempo version of CIBM certainly went down well, and still does. His recorded uptempo version was nowhere near as good.
I agree... I like the live version better. Back in the days of the VCR, I managed to snag the audio of the live version off the "Live on Broadway" video and transfer it to CD. :-)
h***@aol.com
2018-05-31 13:01:17 UTC
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"Take That's uptempo version of CIBM was awful." Although...it DID spawn a GREAT Manilow version!
b***@comcast.net
2018-06-01 00:02:46 UTC
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If I'm not mistaken, the group Take That did a cover of Could It Be Magic. Were they old and washed up?
You are not mistaken. So did Donna Summer.
Take That's uptempo version of CIBM was awful.
There have been countless cover versions of CIBM over the years, Take That and Donna Summer being among the best known. A British artist named Abigail also did a version which might be mistaken for Donna Summer if you're not paying attention... and it went to #1 in the UK.
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2018-05-31 05:49:44 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.
"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive pronouncement. IMO.
Annie
Back when I was going through my CD collection, I decided to see which of Barry's albums were my favorite. I used an objective criteria: how many songs are on the album, and how many of those songs did I like? Then I ranked the percentages.

Big Bands came out the highest of the covers albums. I like 11 songs out of the 16, giving it a 68.75% rating. Of the decades albums, GS-60's came out the highest, 46.15%. Then came GS-70's at 44.44%, Greatest Love Songs at 42.86, SO78 at 33.33, GS-50's at 23.08, and GS-80's at 14.29. The only one lower was the Nightmare Singalong with a score of absolute zero.

For the curious, my favorites in order turned out to be:
1) Paradise Cafe
2) This Is My Town (QVC edition)
3) This One's for You

But hey... great thing about this group, we can all like/dislike different parts of the "Barry-ography" :-)
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2018-05-31 05:54:31 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.
"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive pronouncement. IMO.
Annie
Back when I was going through my CD collection, I decided to see which of Barry's albums were my favorite. I used an objective criteria: how many songs are on the album, and how many of those songs did I like? Then I ranked the percentages.
Big Bands came out the highest of the covers albums. I like 11 songs out of the 16, giving it a 68.75% rating. Of the decades albums, GS-60's came out the highest, 46.15%. Then came GS-70's at 44.44%, Greatest Love Songs at 42.86, SO78 at 33.33, GS-50's at 23.08, and GS-80's at 14.29. The only one lower was the Nightmare Singalong with a score of absolute zero.
1) Paradise Cafe
2) This Is My Town (QVC edition)
3) This One's for You
But hey... great thing about this group, we can all like/dislike different parts of the "Barry-ography" :-)
Hi Dave,

great post, although it did give me flashbacks to statistics courses in college....

can I see the standard deviation and analysis of variance for these albums?

: )

Annie
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2018-05-31 05:59:18 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.
"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive pronouncement. IMO.
Annie
Back when I was going through my CD collection, I decided to see which of Barry's albums were my favorite. I used an objective criteria: how many songs are on the album, and how many of those songs did I like? Then I ranked the percentages.
Big Bands came out the highest of the covers albums. I like 11 songs out of the 16, giving it a 68.75% rating. Of the decades albums, GS-60's came out the highest, 46.15%. Then came GS-70's at 44.44%, Greatest Love Songs at 42.86, SO78 at 33.33, GS-50's at 23.08, and GS-80's at 14.29. The only one lower was the Nightmare Singalong with a score of absolute zero.
1) Paradise Cafe
2) This Is My Town (QVC edition)
3) This One's for You
But hey... great thing about this group, we can all like/dislike different parts of the "Barry-ography" :-)
Hi Dave,
great post, although it did give me flashbacks to statistics courses in college....
can I see the standard deviation and analysis of variance for these albums?
: )
Annie
I think y'all already know that I'm a pretty non-standard deviant... and can vary widely depending on the topic :-)
But if you REALLY want, I can just send you the Excel file and let you figure it out for yourself...
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2018-05-31 06:00:40 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Jeez, Brenda... did you forget the God-awful decades albums (and a couple of related covers albums) already? Or were you just being sarcastic, and I missed it?
Dave
I love the decades albums. "Careless Whisper" especially is one of my favorite songs, as performed by Mr M.
"Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists" is Brenda's opinion and certainly she's entitled to it, but it's far from a definitive pronouncement. IMO.
Annie
Back when I was going through my CD collection, I decided to see which of Barry's albums were my favorite. I used an objective criteria: how many songs are on the album, and how many of those songs did I like? Then I ranked the percentages.
Big Bands came out the highest of the covers albums. I like 11 songs out of the 16, giving it a 68.75% rating. Of the decades albums, GS-60's came out the highest, 46.15%. Then came GS-70's at 44.44%, Greatest Love Songs at 42.86, SO78 at 33.33, GS-50's at 23.08, and GS-80's at 14.29. The only one lower was the Nightmare Singalong with a score of absolute zero.
1) Paradise Cafe
2) This Is My Town (QVC edition)
3) This One's for You
But hey... great thing about this group, we can all like/dislike different parts of the "Barry-ography" :-)
Hi Dave,
great post, although it did give me flashbacks to statistics courses in college....
can I see the standard deviation and analysis of variance for these albums?
: )
Annie
I think y'all already know that I'm a pretty non-standard deviant... and can vary widely depending on the topic :-)
But if you REALLY want, I can just send you the Excel file and let you figure it out for yourself...
: )
Brenda M
2018-05-31 09:45:45 UTC
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Me? Sarcastic?

No, Dave, you caught it. :-)

Brenda
dcsharon
2018-05-31 14:01:25 UTC
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I have to admit, I LOVED the 50's CD.
60's I enjoyed as well.
70 and beyond. No thank you. I even thought SO78 was ghastly.

The Broadway Covers? One of my all time favorite CD's.

And, IMHO ... Careless Whisper was just horrible.

But to each his own. :-)

(DC) Sharon
b***@comcast.net
2018-06-01 00:05:06 UTC
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I have to admit, I LOVED the 50's CD.
60's I enjoyed as well.
70 and beyond. No thank you. I even thought SO78 was ghastly.
The Broadway Covers? One of my all time favorite CD's.
And, IMHO ... Careless Whisper was just horrible.
But to each his own. :-)
(DC) Sharon
Yup, "to each" indeed. I somehow totally missed Showstoppers and Manilow Sings Sinatra in my list of covers albums... but they both came in dead even, 50/50, I liked half of the songs on each.
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2018-06-01 00:13:03 UTC
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I have to admit, I LOVED the 50's CD.
60's I enjoyed as well.
70 and beyond. No thank you. I even thought SO78 was ghastly.
The Broadway Covers? One of my all time favorite CD's.
And, IMHO ... Careless Whisper was just horrible.
But to each his own. :-)
(DC) Sharon
Hi Sharon,

Careless Whispers!

I would urge you to have another listen:




and then tell me this isn't the sexiest song you've ever heard, as sung by Mr M.


it always gets me going anyway. Mr M and careless whispers.....

::::sigh:::::

can't you just see yourself slow dancing to this with Mr Garry Kief --whoops typo! -- Mr Barry Manilow?

or, you know, slow dancing with one's RL spouse/boyfriend/significant other?
(I know! easy to forget about them when listening to Mr M, am I right?)

: )


Annie
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2018-06-01 00:03:22 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
Exhibit B:

the sainted Dave Koz peforming "Moon River", featuring the washed up Mr M...




Annie
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2018-06-01 00:36:01 UTC
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Post by Brenda M
Mr. M needs to cover NOTHING.
Only old, washed up performers need to cover other artists.
Barry has his own very impressive library and can, I’m certain, still create good original music.
Brenda
the sainted Dave Koz peforming "Moon River", featuring the washed up Mr M...
To clarify, it is not my intention to throw shade at Mr Koz.

Rather, I'm referring to a comparative analysis written here a while back by one of the group :::coughBrendacough::: in which Mr Koz is depicted as saintly, caring, sweet, approachable, loving to the fans ---- all the things Mr M is allegedly NOT, according to same group member.


So there's that.

And my personal opinion? I imagine both Mr M AND Mr Koz both think we are all a bunch of idiots. But who am I to say? As long as Mr M keeps turning out the songs, both original work and covers, that give me all the feels, I'm a happy fan. (A happy idiot? maybe!)

: )

Returning to Brenda's premise, if only washed up performers do cover songs, and Mr Koz is covering "Moon River", then by transitive reasoning......
Mr Koz = washed up. Now, who's going to tell him? I vote Brenda!


Annie
marvin
2018-06-01 01:57:42 UTC
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I agree with Annie that a singer is not finished in his/her career if they do cover sings. Michael Buble has been performing Sinatra songs for years as has Harry Connick Jr.
Michael Feinstein's entire career is based on recreating the standards of Gershwin and others in the 1930s and 40s, an era that Barry truly loves, as evident by him recreating the 1940s in some way in at least one song on most of his albums over his career and his enthusiasm shown by his commentary in the radio series "They Write The Songs" on BBC Radio.
However, I see the wisdom of Brenda's post in noting that some covers/standards that Barry has done in the past do not bring out a unique way of arranging the songs that make the songs sound uniquely differently than the originals, much like the way that Frankie Valli and the Four Seasond did their cover of "I've Got you Under My Skin" that took their unique four part harmony singing style make the song sound very different than the way Sinatra sang the song.
To be fair to Barry, there are many exceptions to some of his interpretations of cover/standards songs as some posters illustrated. His recreation of most of the famous Broadway songs, starting with the Overture of overtures in "Showstoppers" made all the songs sound new as did Barry do again in his recreation of the big band arrangements of 1940s songs in "Singing With The Big Bands".
But for the most part, it is not easy to recreate a hit song from the past and make the song sound new as Brenda posted many times concerning Barry's version of "Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You" which he used to do in many of his concerts that he has since removed.
It is hard to generalise regarding artists doing covers of songs. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. There is certainly no harm in Barry trying to rearrange an old hit song and make it sound new if he could. Thanks, Marvin
dcsharon
2018-06-01 02:26:14 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with all the performers. It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend $2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.

And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.

And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.

I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan favorite.

On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)

(DC) Sharon
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2018-06-01 03:07:51 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his >fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) >of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the >passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with >all the performers.
Hi Sharon,

and that's why I posted the clarification. I didn't want to give the impression I was saying anything negative about Mr Koz. Never met the guy, have no basis to judge. I was just making a point about another post.
It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. >They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend >$2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each >person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.
I wouldn't spend that kind of money to meet Mr M. I'm a nurse, not an orthopedic surgeon LOL! Truthfully, I probably wouldn't take the opportunity to meet him if it was free.

When I met Davy Jones of The Monkees (I worked at their show when they appeared at the Calvin Theater in Northampton MA many years back) I was so disappointed to discover that he was quite a diva. Listening to his songs now, I can't help but recall his hissy fit over the catering selections LOL!

Let's pause and have a listen to "Girl" in memory of Mr Jones.



Still a great song......but....

NEVER SERVE PASTA BEFORE A SHOW BITCHES!

So I don't think it's a good idea to meet performers because you can't help but see them as regular people, warts and all, after meeting them.

And I like the illusion of BARRY MANILOW! - a romantic, perfectly gentlemanly guy who gives us all the feelings. That's all I ask of him, really.

Be BARRY MANILOW! for a couple hours and put me in a good mood : )
And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same >experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.
I believe you.
And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie >megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I >liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.
I loved the 70s and 80s albums. Maybe because those were my growing up soundtracks? IDK but I still listen to them often.
I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are >performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can >live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it >meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan >favorite.
I think the song selection has to do with pacing of the show, how popular (and subsequently recognizable) the songs were when they were first released, and probs how appropriate, production-wise, each song is for the large venues. I don't know, it's not my area of expertise, it's just my guess.

Would I love to hear "When October Goes" instead of "Let's Hang on"? HELL TO THE YEAH, but it is what it is. I'll enjoy whatever Mr M presents to us during his live shows.
On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)
Well, then, Sharon, you must be a monster......(JOKING!!!!)

: )

Annie
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2018-06-01 03:27:31 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his >fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) >of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the >passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with >all the performers.
Hi Sharon,
and that's why I posted the clarification. I didn't want to give the impression I was saying anything negative about Mr Koz. Never met the guy, have no basis to judge. I was just making a point about another post.
It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. >They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend >$2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each >person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.
I wouldn't spend that kind of money to meet Mr M. I'm a nurse, not an orthopedic surgeon LOL! Truthfully, I probably wouldn't take the opportunity to meet him if it was free.
When I met Davy Jones of The Monkees (I worked at their show when they appeared at the Calvin Theater in Northampton MA many years back) I was so disappointed to discover that he was quite a diva. Listening to his songs now, I can't help but recall his hissy fit over the catering selections LOL!
Let's pause and have a listen to "Girl" in memory of Mr Jones.
http://youtu.be/jT0G1ht63E8
Still a great song......but....
NEVER SERVE PASTA BEFORE A SHOW BITCHES!
So I don't think it's a good idea to meet performers because you can't help but see them as regular people, warts and all, after meeting them.
And I like the illusion of BARRY MANILOW! - a romantic, perfectly gentlemanly guy who gives us all the feelings. That's all I ask of him, really.
Be BARRY MANILOW! for a couple hours and put me in a good mood : )
And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same >experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.
I believe you.
And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie >megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I >liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.
I loved the 70s and 80s albums. Maybe because those were my growing up soundtracks? IDK but I still listen to them often.
I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are >performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can >live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it >meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan >favorite.
I think the song selection has to do with pacing of the show, how popular (and subsequently recognizable) the songs were when they were first released, and probs how appropriate, production-wise, each song is for the large venues. I don't know, it's not my area of expertise, it's just my guess.
Would I love to hear "When October Goes" instead of "Let's Hang on"? HELL TO THE YEAH, but it is what it is. I'll enjoy whatever Mr M presents to us during his live shows.
On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)
Well, then, Sharon, you must be a monster......(JOKING!!!!)
: )
Annie
guilty feet have got no rhythm
The 70's & 80's were my "growing up soundtrack" too but honestly... GS-80's is second only to the Nightmare Singalong as my least favorite Barry album. I kinda like the Bossa-ish shuffle arrangement of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" but that album sits, totally ignored, in my "Box o' Barry" rather than on my CD rack.
You can keep Barry's version of "Careless Whisper"... I'll stick to the George Michael original, thankyouverymuch. :-)

Dave
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2018-06-01 03:41:29 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his >fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) >of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the >passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with >all the performers.
Hi Sharon,
and that's why I posted the clarification. I didn't want to give the impression I was saying anything negative about Mr Koz. Never met the guy, have no basis to judge. I was just making a point about another post.
It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. >They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend >$2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each >person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.
I wouldn't spend that kind of money to meet Mr M. I'm a nurse, not an orthopedic surgeon LOL! Truthfully, I probably wouldn't take the opportunity to meet him if it was free.
When I met Davy Jones of The Monkees (I worked at their show when they appeared at the Calvin Theater in Northampton MA many years back) I was so disappointed to discover that he was quite a diva. Listening to his songs now, I can't help but recall his hissy fit over the catering selections LOL!
Let's pause and have a listen to "Girl" in memory of Mr Jones.
http://youtu.be/jT0G1ht63E8
Still a great song......but....
NEVER SERVE PASTA BEFORE A SHOW BITCHES!
So I don't think it's a good idea to meet performers because you can't help but see them as regular people, warts and all, after meeting them.
And I like the illusion of BARRY MANILOW! - a romantic, perfectly gentlemanly guy who gives us all the feelings. That's all I ask of him, really.
Be BARRY MANILOW! for a couple hours and put me in a good mood : )
And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same >experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.
I believe you.
And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie >megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I >liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.
I loved the 70s and 80s albums. Maybe because those were my growing up soundtracks? IDK but I still listen to them often.
I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are >performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can >live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it >meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan >favorite.
I think the song selection has to do with pacing of the show, how popular (and subsequently recognizable) the songs were when they were first released, and probs how appropriate, production-wise, each song is for the large venues. I don't know, it's not my area of expertise, it's just my guess.
Would I love to hear "When October Goes" instead of "Let's Hang on"? HELL TO THE YEAH, but it is what it is. I'll enjoy whatever Mr M presents to us during his live shows.
On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)
Well, then, Sharon, you must be a monster......(JOKING!!!!)
: )
Annie
guilty feet have got no rhythm
The 70's & 80's were my "growing up soundtrack" too but honestly... GS-80's is second only to the Nightmare Singalong as my least favorite Barry album. I kinda like the Bossa-ish shuffle arrangement of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" but that album sits, totally ignored, in my "Box o' Barry" rather than on my CD rack.
You can keep Barry's version of "Careless Whisper"... I'll stick to the >George Michael original, thankyouverymuch. :-)
Dave
OMG Dave!

Mr M's version of Careless Whisper is SO much superior to George Michael's! How can you even compare the two??

IT'S LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU PEOPLE ANYMORE!!!!

Oh, and BTW? The only song that Mr Michael has ever recorded that's worth listening to is "Father Figure" and that song, my friends, is brilliant.

It's important that you agree with me on this or I will have to get in touch with Stiletto and request that Mr M record "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" and I don't think any of us want THAT.....

Annie
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2018-06-01 03:53:35 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his >fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) >of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the >passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with >all the performers.
Hi Sharon,
and that's why I posted the clarification. I didn't want to give the impression I was saying anything negative about Mr Koz. Never met the guy, have no basis to judge. I was just making a point about another post.
It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. >They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend >$2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each >person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.
I wouldn't spend that kind of money to meet Mr M. I'm a nurse, not an orthopedic surgeon LOL! Truthfully, I probably wouldn't take the opportunity to meet him if it was free.
When I met Davy Jones of The Monkees (I worked at their show when they appeared at the Calvin Theater in Northampton MA many years back) I was so disappointed to discover that he was quite a diva. Listening to his songs now, I can't help but recall his hissy fit over the catering selections LOL!
Let's pause and have a listen to "Girl" in memory of Mr Jones.
http://youtu.be/jT0G1ht63E8
Still a great song......but....
NEVER SERVE PASTA BEFORE A SHOW BITCHES!
So I don't think it's a good idea to meet performers because you can't help but see them as regular people, warts and all, after meeting them.
And I like the illusion of BARRY MANILOW! - a romantic, perfectly gentlemanly guy who gives us all the feelings. That's all I ask of him, really.
Be BARRY MANILOW! for a couple hours and put me in a good mood : )
And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same >experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.
I believe you.
And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie >megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I >liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.
I loved the 70s and 80s albums. Maybe because those were my growing up soundtracks? IDK but I still listen to them often.
I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are >performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can >live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it >meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan >favorite.
I think the song selection has to do with pacing of the show, how popular (and subsequently recognizable) the songs were when they were first released, and probs how appropriate, production-wise, each song is for the large venues. I don't know, it's not my area of expertise, it's just my guess.
Would I love to hear "When October Goes" instead of "Let's Hang on"? HELL TO THE YEAH, but it is what it is. I'll enjoy whatever Mr M presents to us during his live shows.
On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)
Well, then, Sharon, you must be a monster......(JOKING!!!!)
: )
Annie
guilty feet have got no rhythm
The 70's & 80's were my "growing up soundtrack" too but honestly... GS-80's is second only to the Nightmare Singalong as my least favorite Barry album. I kinda like the Bossa-ish shuffle arrangement of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" but that album sits, totally ignored, in my "Box o' Barry" rather than on my CD rack.
You can keep Barry's version of "Careless Whisper"... I'll stick to the >George Michael original, thankyouverymuch. :-)
Dave
OMG Dave!
Mr M's version of Careless Whisper is SO much superior to George Michael's! How can you even compare the two??
IT'S LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU PEOPLE ANYMORE!!!!
Oh, and BTW? The only song that Mr Michael has ever recorded that's worth listening to is "Father Figure" and that song, my friends, is brilliant.
It's important that you agree with me on this or I will have to get in touch with Stiletto and request that Mr M record "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" and I don't think any of us want THAT.....
Annie
How can I compare the two? I'm not. George Michael wins, hands down, no comparison. So THERE. :-) (Also just finished listening to "Listen Without Prejudice" again. Good CD.)
I seem to remember (maybe I'm wrong) that back when the GS-80's album was still just an idea, this group discussed possible song selection. I suggested songs like "Whip It" and "Material Girl" based EXACTLY on the idea that they'd never sell and maybe it would kill off the decades albums for good.
Although as Barry gets older, maybe "Wake Me Up Before *I* Go-Go" might be more appropriate... LOL
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2018-06-01 04:10:00 UTC
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Actually, I'm the one that wrote about how kind Dave Koz is. And he hosts his >fans on cruises for 2 separate weeks, along with a boatload (pardon the pun) >of other jazz performers. The artists actually sit down and visit with the >passengers. The facebook page for the cruise group is full of encounters with >all the performers.
Hi Sharon,
and that's why I posted the clarification. I didn't want to give the impression I was saying anything negative about Mr Koz. Never met the guy, have no basis to judge. I was just making a point about another post.
It's not a 3 minute $2600 meeting where a celebrity pretends to know you. >They are 2 completely separate types of performers. You might want to spend >$2600 to meet Mr M. I would rather spend $2600 on a Dave Koz cruise. Each >person makes up their own mind, and that's the beauty of fandom.
I wouldn't spend that kind of money to meet Mr M. I'm a nurse, not an orthopedic surgeon LOL! Truthfully, I probably wouldn't take the opportunity to meet him if it was free.
When I met Davy Jones of The Monkees (I worked at their show when they appeared at the Calvin Theater in Northampton MA many years back) I was so disappointed to discover that he was quite a diva. Listening to his songs now, I can't help but recall his hissy fit over the catering selections LOL!
Let's pause and have a listen to "Girl" in memory of Mr Jones.
http://youtu.be/jT0G1ht63E8
Still a great song......but....
NEVER SERVE PASTA BEFORE A SHOW BITCHES!
So I don't think it's a good idea to meet performers because you can't help but see them as regular people, warts and all, after meeting them.
And I like the illusion of BARRY MANILOW! - a romantic, perfectly gentlemanly guy who gives us all the feelings. That's all I ask of him, really.
Be BARRY MANILOW! for a couple hours and put me in a good mood : )
And, there are others here on this chatboard who can attest to the same >experiences I have had with Dave Koz, as they have had similar encounters.
I believe you.
And, with Dave Koz doing covers -- the ENTIRE CD was a cover ... all movie >megahits. It's different when it's a theme. And, as stated previously, I >liked the 50's, 60 and Showstoppers. The others I can leave.
I loved the 70s and 80s albums. Maybe because those were my growing up soundtracks? IDK but I still listen to them often.
I think the argument over covers (such that it is) is that when they are >performed in concert, it takes away from him performing HIS own songs. I can >live a lifetime without ever hearing "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" if it >meant I would hear "I was a fool to let you go", "Lay me down", or another fan >favorite.
I think the song selection has to do with pacing of the show, how popular (and subsequently recognizable) the songs were when they were first released, and probs how appropriate, production-wise, each song is for the large venues. I don't know, it's not my area of expertise, it's just my guess.
Would I love to hear "When October Goes" instead of "Let's Hang on"? HELL TO THE YEAH, but it is what it is. I'll enjoy whatever Mr M presents to us during his live shows.
On a side note, Careless Whisper does nothing for me (sorry)
Well, then, Sharon, you must be a monster......(JOKING!!!!)
: )
Annie
guilty feet have got no rhythm
The 70's & 80's were my "growing up soundtrack" too but honestly... GS-80's is second only to the Nightmare Singalong as my least favorite Barry album. I kinda like the Bossa-ish shuffle arrangement of "I Just Called to Say I Love You" but that album sits, totally ignored, in my "Box o' Barry" rather than on my CD rack.
You can keep Barry's version of "Careless Whisper"... I'll stick to the >George Michael original, thankyouverymuch. :-)
Dave
OMG Dave!
Mr M's version of Careless Whisper is SO much superior to George Michael's! How can you even compare the two??
IT'S LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU PEOPLE ANYMORE!!!!
Oh, and BTW? The only song that Mr Michael has ever recorded that's worth listening to is "Father Figure" and that song, my friends, is brilliant.
It's important that you agree with me on this or I will have to get in touch with Stiletto and request that Mr M record "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" and I don't think any of us want THAT.....
Annie
How can I compare the two? I'm not. George Michael wins, hands down, no comparison. So THERE. :-) (Also just finished listening to "Listen Without Prejudice" again. Good CD.)
I seem to remember (maybe I'm wrong) that back when the GS-80's album was still just an idea, this group discussed possible song selection. I suggested songs like "Whip It" and "Material Girl" based EXACTLY on the idea that they'd never sell and maybe it would kill off the decades albums for good.
Although as Barry gets older, maybe "Wake Me Up Before *I* Go-Go" might be >more appropriate... LOL
Only if he wears the outfits



Annie
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2018-06-01 04:19:57 UTC
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How can I compare the two? I'm not. George Michael wins, hands down, no >comparison. So THERE. :-) (Also just finished listening to "Listen Without >Prejudice" again. Good CD.)
I seem to remember (maybe I'm wrong) that back when the GS-80's album was >still just an idea, this group discussed possible song selection. I suggested >songs like "Whip It" and "Material Girl" based EXACTLY on the idea that they'd >never sell and maybe it would kill off the decades albums for good.
How much money would I give to see Mr M perform "Material Girl"?

ALL THE MONEY. ALL OF IT.


Annie
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2018-06-01 18:10:48 UTC
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How can I compare the two? I'm not. George Michael wins, hands down, no >comparison. So THERE. :-) (Also just finished listening to "Listen Without >Prejudice" again. Good CD.)
I seem to remember (maybe I'm wrong) that back when the GS-80's album was >still just an idea, this group discussed possible song selection. I suggested >songs like "Whip It" and "Material Girl" based EXACTLY on the idea that they'd >never sell and maybe it would kill off the decades albums for good.
How much money would I give to see Mr M perform "Material Girl"?
ALL THE MONEY. ALL OF IT.
Annie
Totally off topic, and probably TMI, but here goes anyway...

Years ago, my church did a "talent show" fundraiser. As part of the "talent," the church choir did a 70's & 80's medley. "Material Girl" was part of that medley. The printed sheet music gets kind of confusing but of course I knew the song well enough to pull it off without the music. Therefore... the choir director decided that *I* would be the one doing that part of the medley.
So... come show night... here's me, in deliberately bad drag. Didn't even shave my beard. But... eye makeup, gold lame, cheap party-store tiara, fake pearls, fake fur wrap, etc. We made a lot off that one!

We also made some good money before the show ever got off the ground. The first time the pastor announced it, he said that if we reached our goal, HE would go out on stage in drag. Someone in the congregation held up his checkbook and said, "How much?"

A couple of weeks later, Halloween was coming up. I had told my boss about the fundraiser and of course she started carrying on... "you HAVE to do Madonna for Halloween!" and I agreed t everything but the makeup. She had a Cleopatra outfit, and she wore that. We were standing near her office, talking, when the head of the building came by and asked, "What are you two supposed to be?" Before I could answer, my boos looked at her and said "Oh, just a couple of old queens..."
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2018-06-01 13:21:14 UTC
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Of course George Michael wins, Dave.

That was HIS song.

Sure do miss his music. :-(

But you know the sycophants... they think Barry is best at everything in this world. If these musicians had a farting contest, Barry’s would be voted the sweetest.

Bren
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2018-06-01 18:13:55 UTC
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Of course George Michael wins, Dave.
That was HIS song.
Sure do miss his music. :-(
But you know the sycophants... they think Barry is best at everything in this world. If these musicians had a farting contest, Barry’s would be voted the sweetest.
Bren
Brenda...

I've said for years that Barry could release and entire album like that... I think I called it "Barry Belches Brooklyn" and/or "Barry Pharts the Phonebook"... and some of his fans would call it the best he's ever done.
I just hope Clive Davis isn't reading this... don't want to give him any ideas! :-)

SIDE NOTE: Is anybody else now getting all the messages in here as e-mail? Seems like it just started couple of weeks ago. Strange.

Dave
Scooter
2018-06-01 19:00:25 UTC
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SIDE NOTE: Is anybody else now getting all the messages in here as
e-mail? Seems like it just started couple of weeks ago. Strange.
They look the same in X-News and Thunderbird. Must be a Google thing.

Scooter

marvin
2018-06-01 04:33:03 UTC
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Hi Sharon,
You are of course right about Dave Koz being very extroverted, secure within himself and really enjoying meetings fans. When I interviewed Dave twice for my articles on his shows, he spend more than an hour with me (and he did not have to) on the phone talking about his career and Jewish roots and is extremely personable to the point that you think you are talking with a regular person and not a person in show business, as many show biz folks are very guarded about their private lives.
Dave even told me at the time about Barry's plans to tour Israel a few weeks before Barry posted his plans on the tour, so Dave is very open to others and is always so enthusiastic about his work.
I think Barry is a nice guy too or he would not have so many good friends for so many decades, but he is basically a private person with strangers for a lot of reasons (one being some bad experiences with over the top fans) and I can never picture him talking with fans at will in the same manner that Dave does.
Thanks for reminding us how fan friendly Dave Koz is and always will be Sharon. Regards, Marvin
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So Weezer just released a cover of Toto's 'Africa'.
Have a listen to one of the greatest songs ever. And Weezer nails it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/weezer-releases-cover-of-totos-africa-following-social-media-campaign-listen/ar-AAxZ4Qn?ocid=spartandhp
Annie
So from Weezer, to Diana Krall, to Billy Joel, to George Michael, to Madonna.

That's quite a journey. (oh yeah, let's not forget Journey!)

There's your next album, Mr M.

You're welcome.

Good night : )

Annie
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