Informant Oswald?

Post by claviger
flagpole
The Georgian Who Knew a Sniper Would Kill JFK
Prophetic Crackpot?
By Donald E. Wilkes, Jr.
https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2013/10/23/the-georgian-who-knew-a-sniper-would-kill-jfk
Informant Oswald?
Not all of From an Office Building With a High-Powered Rifle deals with
Milteer. Sometimes its author turns his attention to other people,
including Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year old ex-Marine and ex-defector to
the Soviet Union, who, the Warren Commission claimed, was the sole
assassin of President Kennedy.
President Lyndon B. Johnson famously described Lee Harvey Oswald as
“quite a mysterious fellow,” and many JFK assassination
scholars, looking at Oswald’s intrigue-filled life, his exotic
travels to (among other places) Finland, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and
Mexico, and his multiple encounters with law enforcement agents or
intelligence operatives, have concluded that Oswald may have secretly been
a paid U.S. government informant or some other law enforcement or
intelligence agency asset.
Donald Adams thinks these scholars may be right.
In June 1964, Adams transferred to the Dallas FBI office, where the JFK
assassination was the office’s first priority. Because of his
experiences there, because of his knowledge of the unusual way the Dallas
office dealt with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination, and
because after the assassination the Dallas FBI office destroyed documents
relating to Oswald, Adams concludes in his book that “Oswald must
have been a government informant for the CIA, the FBI, or both.”
Think of that. A man who was an FBI agent for two decades and who
personally and officially investigated the assassination in 1963-64 agrees
with the critics of the Warren Commission who maintain that it is likely
Lee Harvey Oswald secretly worked for the FBI or the CIA! Of course, the
FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission all denied that Oswald secretly
worked for the government.

Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never practiced
with is rifle. He just took photos of himself with it and then rolled it
up in a blanket and threw it in the garage. The scope on the rifle had a
fault from a bad mounting, and it could not be zeroed in, and if LHO had
practiced with it, he would have found the problem and had it fixed before
trying to shoot the POTUS. It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't find
anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle. And the Klein's
catalog offered ammo for the rifle right by the ad for the rifle, but LHO
decided not to order any. When the FBI firearms guy testified, he said
the rifle was worn and corroded, so it wasn't taken care of very well.
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service when he often had
a dirty weapon.

Chris

claviger

2018-06-02 21:03:41 UTC

Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.

Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH
did not like the CIA.

LHO had an unstable personality and apparently lived his life on
an emotional rollercoaster. He demonstrated obvious symptoms
of OCD, ODD, and APD. In short he was a Sociopath. LHO might
appear normal for awhile but under stress revealed seething rage
against the society he lived in. He could act normal when it suited
him, but he didn't handle adversity well.

LHO instinctively would strike back and physically abused his wife
during numerous arguments. Basically he had a volatile personality
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Post by mainframetech
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never
practiced with is rifle.

His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was
annoying, so she made him go outside when he was in the mood to
practice dry firing his rifle. He also cleaned and oiled it. Why would
he do that if he never fired it? She also said he took a bus to a place
called "Lopfield" to shoot his rifle. Where did he get the ammo to do
that? There were two gun shops close to the well known Love Field
"poor man's practice range" in the Trinity River bottoms.

Post by mainframetech
He just took photos of himself with it . . .

How did he do that? Are you saying he took a selfie in the
mirror? Did that apartment even have a full length mirror?

Post by mainframetech
and then rolled it up in a blanket and threw it in the garage.

There was no garage when those photos were taken.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Post by mainframetech
And the Klein's catalog offered ammo for the rifle right by the ad
for the rifle, but LHO decided not to order any.

LHO did not want to leave a paper trail. Plausible deniability to fool
naive people like you. It worked.

Post by mainframetech
When the FBI firearms guy testified, he said the rifle was worn and
corroded, so it wasn't taken care of very well.

Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service when
he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several years
later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in combat don't
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-03 22:31:56 UTC

Post by claviger
flagpole
The Georgian Who Knew a Sniper Would Kill JFK
Prophetic Crackpot?
By Donald E. Wilkes, Jr.
https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2013/10/23/the-georgian-who-knew-a-sniper-would-kill-jfk
Informant Oswald?
Not all of From an Office Building With a High-Powered Rifle deals with
Milteer. Sometimes its author turns his attention to other people,
including Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year old ex-Marine and ex-defector to
the Soviet Union, who, the Warren Commission claimed, was the sole
assassin of President Kennedy.
President Lyndon B. Johnson famously described Lee Harvey Oswald as
???quite a mysterious fellow,??? and many JFK assassination
scholars, looking at Oswald???s intrigue-filled life, his exotic
travels to (among other places) Finland, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and
Mexico, and his multiple encounters with law enforcement agents or
intelligence operatives, have concluded that Oswald may have secretly been
a paid U.S. government informant or some other law enforcement or
intelligence agency asset.
Donald Adams thinks these scholars may be right.
In June 1964, Adams transferred to the Dallas FBI office, where the JFK
assassination was the office???s first priority. Because of his
experiences there, because of his knowledge of the unusual way the Dallas
office dealt with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination, and
because after the assassination the Dallas FBI office destroyed documents
relating to Oswald, Adams concludes in his book that ???Oswald must
have been a government informant for the CIA, the FBI, or both.???
Think of that. A man who was an FBI agent for two decades and who
personally and officially investigated the assassination in 1963-64 agrees
with the critics of the Warren Commission who maintain that it is likely
Lee Harvey Oswald secretly worked for the FBI or the CIA! Of course, the
FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission all denied that Oswald secretly
worked for the government.

Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.

Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

Post by claviger
did not like the CIA.
LHO had an unstable personality and apparently lived his life on
an emotional rollercoaster. He demonstrated obvious symptoms
of OCD, ODD, and APD. In short he was a Sociopath. LHO might
appear normal for awhile but under stress revealed seething rage
against the society he lived in. He could act normal when it suited
him, but he didn't handle adversity well.

Hey, don't waste our bandwidth here talking about yourself.

Post by claviger
LHO instinctively would strike back and physically abused his wife
during numerous arguments. Basically he had a volatile personality

Yes, so therefore every wife abuser must be an assassin. That includes
Trump.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Post by mainframetech
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never
practiced with is rifle.

So what? That's silly.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

Post by claviger
annoying, so she made him go outside when he was in the mood to
practice dry firing his rifle. He also cleaned and oiled it. Why would
he do that if he never fired it? She also said he took a bus to a place

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

Post by claviger
called "Lopfield" to shoot his rifle. Where did he get the ammo to do
that? There were two gun shops close to the well known Love Field
"poor man's practice range" in the Trinity River bottoms.

Prove it. Show it to me.

Post by mainframetech
He just took photos of himself with it . . .

How did he do that? Are you saying he took a selfie in the
mirror? Did that apartment even have a full length mirror?

No. Oswald invented the selfie stick back in 1963.
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really meant?
Attack every word?

Nothing else to do with your life?

Post by mainframetech
and then rolled it up in a blanket and threw it in the garage.

There was no garage when those photos were taken.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

Post by mainframetech
And the Klein's catalog offered ammo for the rifle right by the ad
for the rifle, but LHO decided not to order any.

LHO did not want to leave a paper trail. Plausible deniability to fool
naive people like you. It worked.

He didn't want to spend that much money on that many bullets of dubious
quality. Maybe war surplus from WWIII.

Post by mainframetech
When the FBI firearms guy testified, he said the rifle was worn and
corroded, so it wasn't taken care of very well.

Yeah, over how many years? Was it used in WWII?

Post by claviger
Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service when
he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several years
later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in combat don't

Yeah, deadly to the shooter.

Post by claviger
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Oswald got into trouble for not cleaning his M-1.

OHLeeRedux

2018-06-04 19:44:33 UTC

Post by claviger
flagpole
The Georgian Who Knew a Sniper Would Kill JFK
Prophetic Crackpot?
By Donald E. Wilkes, Jr.
https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2013/10/23/the-georgian-who-knew-a-sniper-would-kill-jfk
Informant Oswald?
Not all of From an Office Building With a High-Powered Rifle deals with
Milteer. Sometimes its author turns his attention to other people,
including Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year old ex-Marine and ex-defector to
the Soviet Union, who, the Warren Commission claimed, was the sole
assassin of President Kennedy.
President Lyndon B. Johnson famously described Lee Harvey Oswald as
???quite a mysterious fellow,??? and many JFK assassination
scholars, looking at Oswald???s intrigue-filled life, his exotic
travels to (among other places) Finland, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and
Mexico, and his multiple encounters with law enforcement agents or
intelligence operatives, have concluded that Oswald may have secretly been
a paid U.S. government informant or some other law enforcement or
intelligence agency asset.
Donald Adams thinks these scholars may be right.
In June 1964, Adams transferred to the Dallas FBI office, where the JFK
assassination was the office???s first priority. Because of his
experiences there, because of his knowledge of the unusual way the Dallas
office dealt with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination, and
because after the assassination the Dallas FBI office destroyed documents
relating to Oswald, Adams concludes in his book that ???Oswald must
have been a government informant for the CIA, the FBI, or both.???
Think of that. A man who was an FBI agent for two decades and who
personally and officially investigated the assassination in 1963-64 agrees
with the critics of the Warren Commission who maintain that it is likely
Lee Harvey Oswald secretly worked for the FBI or the CIA! Of course, the
FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission all denied that Oswald secretly
worked for the government.

Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.

Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

Hey, don't waste our bandwidth here talking about yourself.

Post by claviger
LHO instinctively would strike back and physically abused his wife
during numerous arguments. Basically he had a volatile personality

Yes, so therefore every wife abuser must be an assassin. That includes
Trump.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Post by mainframetech
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never
practiced with is rifle.

So what? That's silly.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

Prove it. Show it to me.

Post by mainframetech
He just took photos of himself with it . . .

How did he do that? Are you saying he took a selfie in the
mirror? Did that apartment even have a full length mirror?

No. Oswald invented the selfie stick back in 1963.
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really meant?
Attack every word?
Nothing else to do with your life?

Post by mainframetech
and then rolled it up in a blanket and threw it in the garage.

There was no garage when those photos were taken.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

HOAX. FAKE NEWS. I HAVE THE FILES, YOU DON'T. MY FILES ARE THE BIGGEST.
THESE FILES ARE INCREDIBLE. Anthony "Trump Mouthpiece" Marsh

claviger

2018-06-05 20:41:00 UTC

Post by mainframetech
Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.

Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

When he was jailed in NO who did he call?

Hey, don't waste our bandwidth here talking about yourself.

So what you're telling me is don't be a copycat? When it comes
to self promotion nobody can rival you.

Post by claviger
LHO instinctively would strike back and physically abused his wife
during numerous arguments. Basically he had a volatile personality

Yes, so therefore every wife abuser must be an assassin. That includes
Trump.

Wife beaters are usually cowards who feel insecure. That's why LHO had
to go prove his manhood by ambushing the President.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Like you just did?

Post by mainframetech
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never
practiced with is rifle.

So what? That's silly.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

Working the bolt is practicing. Working the bolt and firing at a target
is practicing.

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

As usual you guess wrong. A bad habit you got into based on conceited
arrogance.

Prove it. Show it to me.

In the evidence report by the DCSD investigation. Look it up.

Post by mainframetech
He just took photos of himself with it . . .

How did he do that? Are you saying he took a selfie in the
mirror? Did that apartment even have a full length mirror?

No. Oswald invented the selfie stick back in 1963.

What is a selfie stick?

Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really meant?

Who is he? Tell us what he really meant.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Attack every word?

Like you do? See why you're such a bad example.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Nothing else to do with your life?

Ask yourself the same question.

Post by mainframetech
and then rolled it up in a blanket and threw it in the garage.

There was no garage when those photos were taken.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

And how would you know what he did or didn't do?
A witness told police he adjusted a scope and fired
at measured targets. He said the owner of that rifle
looked like LHO. The guy never came back after the
Assassination.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

Your Code Word for 'no comeback'.

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

Post by mainframetech
And the Klein's catalog offered ammo for the rifle right by the ad
for the rifle, but LHO decided not to order any.

LHO did not want to leave a paper trail. Plausible deniability to fool
naive people like you. It worked.

He didn't want to spend that much money on that many bullets of dubious
quality. Maybe war surplus from WWIII.

Post by mainframetech
When the FBI firearms guy testified, he said the rifle was worn and
corroded, so it wasn't taken care of very well.

Yeah, over how many years? Was it used in WWII?

Post by claviger
Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service when
he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several years
later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in combat don't

Yeah, deadly to the shooter.

In what way?

Post by claviger
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Oswald got into trouble for not cleaning his M-1.

So what?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-08 00:59:06 UTC

Post by mainframetech
Following that line of thinking, we come to appreciate that as an
informant, Oswald would not jeopardize his situation by killing JFK.

Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand. Oswald was
not the type of person to be an informant for the FBI or CIA. A poor
source of information and unreliable.

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

When he was jailed in NO who did he call?

The FBI. An infomant would not openly call the FBI.

Hey, don't waste our bandwidth here talking about yourself.

So what you're telling me is don't be a copycat? When it comes
to self promotion nobody can rival you.

Post by claviger
LHO instinctively would strike back and physically abused his wife
during numerous arguments. Basically he had a volatile personality

Yes, so therefore every wife abuser must be an assassin. That includes
Trump.

Wife beaters are usually cowards who feel insecure. That's why LHO had
to go prove his manhood by ambushing the President.

Weird theory.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Like you just did?

About what? Learn English. I said, "NOT always."

Post by mainframetech
There are other signs that he didn't shoot anyone too. He never
practiced with is rifle.

So what? That's silly.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

Working the bolt is practicing. Working the bolt and firing at a target
is practicing.

Not shooting.

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

As usual you guess wrong. A bad habit you got into based on conceited
arrogance.

I back it up with documents and evidence.

Prove it. Show it to me.

In the evidence report by the DCSD investigation. Look it up.

Post by mainframetech
He just took photos of himself with it . . .

How did he do that? Are you saying he took a selfie in the
mirror? Did that apartment even have a full length mirror?

No. Oswald invented the selfie stick back in 1963.

What is a selfie stick?

You got to get hip. It was a rage for about a week.
It holds your cell phone.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really meant?

Who is he? Tell us what he really meant.

The OP.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Attack every word?

Like you do? See why you're such a bad example.

Never. And it would be so easy for me to be a Grammar Nazi.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Nothing else to do with your life?

Ask yourself the same question.

Thanks Pee-Wee Herman. Do I have to explain that reference to you too?
Were you in a coma in the 80's?

Post by mainframetech
and then rolled it up in a blanket and threw it in the garage.

There was no garage when those photos were taken.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

And how would you know what he did or didn't do?

Marina. Ruth. Michael. George.

Post by claviger
A witness told police he adjusted a scope and fired
at measured targets. He said the owner of that rifle
looked like LHO. The guy never came back after the
Assassination.

HOAX

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

Your Code Word for 'no comeback'.

Fact.

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.
You did not say what brand.

Post by mainframetech
And the Klein's catalog offered ammo for the rifle right by the ad
for the rifle, but LHO decided not to order any.

LHO did not want to leave a paper trail. Plausible deniability to fool
naive people like you. It worked.

He didn't want to spend that much money on that many bullets of dubious
quality. Maybe war surplus from WWIII.

Post by mainframetech
When the FBI firearms guy testified, he said the rifle was worn and
corroded, so it wasn't taken care of very well.

Yeah, over how many years? Was it used in WWII?

Post by claviger
Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service when
he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several years
later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in combat don't

Yeah, deadly to the shooter.

In what way?

Blowing up the action.

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You know absolutely nothing about guns.

Post by claviger
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Oswald got into trouble for not cleaning his M-1.

So what?

He was careless.

claviger

2018-06-12 02:40:22 UTC

Post by claviger
Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand.

How do you know so much about the FBI and CIA?

Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald was not the type of person to be an informant for the
FBI or CIA. A poor source of information and unreliable.

Why a poor source of information and why was he unreliable?

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

When he was jailed in NO who did he call?

The FBI. An infomant would not openly call the FBI.

Then how would the FBI know he was in jail and needed assistance?

Post by claviger
Wife beaters are usually cowards who feel insecure. That's why LHO
had to go prove his manhood by ambushing the President.

Weird theory.

LHO was a weird punk.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Like you just did?

About what? Learn English. I said, "NOT always."

You missed the obvious point. Not as sharp as you used to be.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

Working the bolt is practicing. Working the bolt and firing at a target
is practicing.

Not shooting.

Firing = Shooting.

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

As usual you guess wrong. A bad habit you got into based on conceited
arrogance.

I back it up with documents and evidence.

OK, defend your silly guess.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really
meant?

Who is he? Tell us what he really meant.

The OP.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Attack every word?

Like you do? See why you're such a bad example.

Never. And it would be so easy for me to be a Grammar Nazi.

You are a Debate Nazi.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Nothing else to do with your life?

Ask yourself the same question.

Thanks Pee-Wee Herman.

Thank you. Pee-Wee Herman is nice guy who never
acted like a conceited prick.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Do I have to explain that reference to you too?
Were you in a coma in the 80's?

No, were you?

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

And how would you know what he did or didn't do?

Marina. Ruth. Michael. George.

Marina is the inside source who confirms he practiced with his
rifle at home and took it to Lopfield. She told a story about LHO
shooting his rifle at the park when they went on a picnic.

Post by claviger
A witness told police he adjusted a scope and fired
at measured targets. He said the owner of that rifle
looked like LHO. The guy never came back after the
Assassination.

HOAX

If a Hoax it was a very detailed story.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

Your Code Word for 'no comeback'.

Fact.

Yes, a fact when you have no intelligent comeback you
use the codeword, "Hoax".

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.

That your memory is fading away? You just gave us another example.
In past discussions you were aware of those empty boxes and where
they were found. There was some confusion if they were found in the
Paine garage, but a Deputy clarified they were discovered at the local
dump and turned in with evidence from the garage. Why would LHO
bring back empty boxes to keep in the Paine garage?

Post by Anthony Marsh
You did not say what brand.

Why don't you do some research and find out?

Post by claviger
Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service
when he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several
years later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in
combat don't

Yeah, deadly to the shooter.

In what way?

Blowing up the action.

So all dirty rifles blow up rifles? I know one hunter who never
cleaned his rifle and used it for years. The AK47 was almost
never cleaned in combat. By contrast the M16 had a jamming
problem thanks to the US Army Ordinance Dept who screwed
up the outstanding design of the original AR15. Combat rifles
must be designed for use in less than perfect conditions. Most
modern rifles are engineered to be submerged in muddy water
and still function.

Post by Anthony Marsh
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/Smith532.jpg
You know absolutely nothing about guns.

PCTKB

Post by claviger
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Oswald got into trouble for not cleaning his M-1.

So what?

He was careless.

He could care less until he bought his own rifle and cleaned it
several times. The fumes bothered Marina and she told LHO
to do that outside.

claviger

2018-06-13 03:05:08 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.

Look whose name shows up in the discussion:
alt.assassination.jfk ›
2 BOXES FOUND
8 posts by 5 authors
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/claviger$20empty$20ammo$20boxes%7Csort:date/alt.assassination.jfk/vLHqEd1cNtM/FZ5vJaIfA0sJ

mainframetech

2018-06-14 02:28:36 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.

alt.assassination.jfk ›
2 BOXES FOUND
8 posts by 5 authors
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/claviger$20empty$20ammo$20boxes%7Csort:date/alt.assassination.jfk/vLHqEd1cNtM/FZ5vJaIfA0sJ

No ammo boxes were associated with Oswald. They could be from anyone
that did some shooting at that location, which Oswald never went to.

Chris

bigdog

2018-06-16 21:03:32 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.

No ammo boxes were associated with Oswald. They could be from anyone
that did some shooting at that location, which Oswald never went to.

How do you know that?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-13 14:57:28 UTC

Post by claviger
Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand.

How do you know so much about the FBI and CIA?

My father was a spy.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald was not the type of person to be an informant for the
FBI or CIA. A poor source of information and unreliable.

Why a poor source of information and why was he unreliable?

Mentally unreliable and not connected to other people of interest.

Post by claviger
Most likely he was an informant for the FBI to keep an eye on the
CIA. The two Federal Agencies did not trust each other, and JEH

Wacky theory.

When he was jailed in NO who did he call?

The FBI. An infomant would not openly call the FBI.

Then how would the FBI know he was in jail and needed assistance?

He would ask a friend.

Post by claviger
Wife beaters are usually cowards who feel insecure. That's why LHO
had to go prove his manhood by ambushing the President.

Weird theory.

LHO was a weird punk.

Post by claviger
that could explode with a violent reaction. The reality is informants
are not perfect robots.

Informants are not always criminals.
You over-generalize everything.

Like you just did?

About what? Learn English. I said, "NOT always."

You missed the obvious point. Not as sharp as you used to be.

Silly.

Post by claviger
His wife said he practiced all the time with his rifle. So much it was

Working bolt. Not SHOOING.
I guess you wouldn't understand the difference.

Working the bolt is practicing. Working the bolt and firing at a target
is practicing.

Not shooting.

Firing = Shooting.

You do that with ANY rifle to keep it in good condition. I guess you've
never had a rifle so all you can do is guess.

As usual you guess wrong. A bad habit you got into based on conceited
arrogance.

I back it up with documents and evidence.

OK, defend your silly guess.

I have, many times.
Learn how to use Google and visit my Web site.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you pretend that you don't know what he really
meant?

Who is he? Tell us what he really meant.

The OP.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Attack every word?

Like you do? See why you're such a bad example.

Never. And it would be so easy for me to be a Grammar Nazi.

You are a Debate Nazi.

Did you invent that on your own?
How come McAdams allows you to call me a Nazi?
I don't make up the rules about debate.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Nothing else to do with your life?

Ask yourself the same question.

Thanks Pee-Wee Herman.

Thank you. Pee-Wee Herman is nice guy who never
acted like a conceited prick.

You haven't seen all his movies,

Post by Anthony Marsh
Do I have to explain that reference to you too?
Were you in a coma in the 80's?

No, were you?

No. Most people understand what it means.

Post by mainframetech
The scope on the rifle had a fault from a bad mounting,

Yes the crosshairs would drift off center and there is witness
evidence he did something about it.

Post by mainframetech
and it could not be zeroed in,

It could be zeroed in, but with use would not stay that way.

Post by mainframetech
and if LHO had practiced with it, he would have found the
problem and had it fixed before trying to shoot the POTUS.

He did exactly that.

No.

And how would you know what he did or didn't do?

Marina. Ruth. Michael. George.

Marina is the inside source who confirms he practiced with his
rifle at home and took it to Lopfield. She told a story about LHO
shooting his rifle at the park when they went on a picnic.

Post by claviger
A witness told police he adjusted a scope and fired
at measured targets. He said the owner of that rifle
looked like LHO. The guy never came back after the
Assassination.

HOAX

If a Hoax it was a very detailed story.

Some hoaxes are. The more detailed the more you know it was a hoax. They
add details which are physically impossible.

Post by mainframetech
It wasn't fixed, so he didn't practice.

A witness at the Sportsdrome fixed it for him.

Hoax.

Your Code Word for 'no comeback'.

Fact.

Yes, a fact when you have no intelligent comeback you
use the codeword, "Hoax".

No, just specific stories that I know are a hoax.

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

SHOW me those boxes. WHat brand?

I did that a long time ago. Is your memory fading away?

SHOW me.

They are listed in the evidence. Again, SHOW them to me.
Can you tell just by looking which brand they are? How many rounds can
they hold per box? You are out of your depth, boy.

Post by claviger
Paine garage, but a Deputy clarified they were discovered at the local
dump and turned in with evidence from the garage. Why would LHO
bring back empty boxes to keep in the Paine garage?

I don't think he would.

Post by Anthony Marsh
You did not say what brand.

Why don't you do some research and find out?

Because there is no record of what brand.

Post by claviger
Used rifles are still deadly weapons.

Post by mainframetech
And Oswald had been nailed at inspection in the service
when he often had a dirty weapon.
Chris

What does that have to do with anything he did several
years later? Dirty weapons are still deadly. Soldiers in
combat don't

Yeah, deadly to the shooter.

In what way?

Blowing up the action.

So all dirty rifles blow up rifles? I know one hunter who never

No, silly. I didn't say that. I'll thank you to STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY
MOUTH. That is unsanitary.

Post by claviger
cleaned his rifle and used it for years. The AK47 was almost
never cleaned in combat. By contrast the M16 had a jamming
problem thanks to the US Army Ordinance Dept who screwed
up the outstanding design of the original AR15. Combat rifles
must be designed for use in less than perfect conditions. Most
modern rifles are engineered to be submerged in muddy water
and still function.

Irrelevant to the Carcano.

Post by Anthony Marsh
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/Smith532.jpg
You know absolutely nothing about guns.

PCTKB

Post by claviger
have time to clean their weapons in the middle of an extended
battle. No calling a ceasefire timeout to clean weapons. Both
sides finish the battle with dirty weapons.

Oswald got into trouble for not cleaning his M-1.

So what?

He was careless.

He could care less until he bought his own rifle and cleaned it
several times. The fumes bothered Marina and she told LHO
to do that outside.

So what? That is not SHOOTING.

OHLeeRedux

2018-06-14 03:38:28 UTC

Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand.

How do you know so much about the FBI and CIA?

My father was a spy.

There was a kid in school that used to tell us that. Then later he said
his daddy was an astronaut, then a cowboy . . .

And now we have Anthony Marsh. This is the mentality we are dealing with
here, folks.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-15 01:58:37 UTC

Post by OHLeeRedux
Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand.

How do you know so much about the FBI and CIA?

My father was a spy.
There was a kid in school that used to tell us that. Then later he said
his daddy was an astronaut, then a cowboy . . .

I prove what I say. I have the documents.

Post by OHLeeRedux
And now we have Anthony Marsh. This is the mentality we are dealing with
here, folks.

OHLeeRedux

2018-06-16 05:22:18 UTC

Post by OHLeeRedux
Anthony Marsh

Post by claviger
Oswald could have been an informant for the FBI or CIA, or both.

No. Stop being silly.

Why is that silly?

If you knew anything about the FBI or CIA you would understand.

How do you know so much about the FBI and CIA?

My father was a spy.
There was a kid in school that used to tell us that. Then later he said
his daddy was an astronaut, then a cowboy . . .

I prove what I say. I have the documents.

Nope. HOAX. FAKE NEWS.

I'm on to you, Anthony Marsh.

Post by OHLeeRedux
And now we have Anthony Marsh. This is the mentality we are dealing with
here, folks.

claviger

2018-06-17 01:03:01 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

Steve M. Galbraith

2018-06-18 14:20:24 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.

See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.

They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-18 21:56:41 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.

No, THEY did not. How does the autopsy implicate Oswald?

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.

No, that's YOU? Trumpies hate the FBI.

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

claviger

2018-06-19 21:24:41 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.

No, THEY did not. How does the autopsy implicate Oswald?

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.

No, that's YOU? Trumpies hate the FBI.

Wonder why?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-23 00:11:19 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.

No, THEY did not. How does the autopsy implicate Oswald?

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.

No, that's YOU? Trumpies hate the FBI.

Wonder why?

No, I know why. Because the FBI wants to put criminals in jail.

mainframetech

2018-06-20 17:41:58 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was a 'lone
nut' killer tried to make his words come true. However, they wanted very
much to be able to prove that Oswald was an expert shot and wanted to find
where he practiced. However they stated they could not find anyplace
where he practiced. They also said that they could not find where he
bought any MC type ammo either. They were motivated to prove that Oswald
was the killer and he was the one and only shooter, yet they admitted they
couldn't find any place he practiced or bought ammo for his rifle.

Chris

claviger

2018-06-21 16:34:00 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them
to be to make their claims work.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was a 'lone
nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald was
an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

No one ever claimed LHO was an "expert shot". An expert would
only need one round. LHO missed the entire Limousine on his first
shot. He placed a Marksman shot on his second try. On the last
try he placed a Sharpshooter shot on target.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

Several witnesses saw him practice at the Sportsdrome.
It is a fact they believed it was LHO and never changed
their mind about that. They also noticed the guy they
saw never came back to after LHO was killed.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Post by mainframetech
They were motivated to prove that Oswald was the killer and
he was the one and only shooter, yet they admitted they
couldn't find any place he practiced or bought ammo for his
rifle.

This whole episode made the FBI look like dullards who could
not think outside the box. Several witnesses tried to tell them
and one major clue went sailing over their heads that would've
confirmed it was LHO or not. The FBI Agents were just robots
going through the motions. Their interviews were minimal and
disappointing. They were basically Agents not Detectives. The
DCSD did the best job of interview and evidence collection, so
why they did not do the Sportsdrome investigation is a mystery.
It was outside DPD jurisdiction so the DCSD should have taken
the lead, but didn't. Did the FBI tell them to back off? If true
that was a big mistake.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-22 22:01:59 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was a 'lone
nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald was
an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

No one ever claimed LHO was an "expert shot". An expert would
only need one round. LHO missed the entire Limousine on his first

Can you prove that? No. Can you prove that in every case an expert shot
only fired one shot? No. But it's acute meme.

We should all agree that Oswald was never an expert shot.

But some of us do not even think that Oswald fired any shots in Dealey
Plaza. But he did miss Walker. And you WC defenders think that the first
shot in Dealey Plaza missed hiting anything on this planet? Melted into
thin air? I think Max's theory is cute, but unproveable.

Post by claviger
shot. He placed a Marksman shot on his second try. On the last
try he placed a Sharpshooter shot on target.

Tell the truth. Almost flunked out. 1 point above failing.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

That's OK. I assume your THEY means the DPD. These are the same guys who
thought the Walker bullet was steel jacketed. MORONS.
And who was the gun expert who called Oswald's Carcano a Mauser?
Not exactly CSI: Dallas back in 1963.

Post by claviger
Several witnesses saw him practice at the Sportsdrome.
It is a fact they believed it was LHO and never changed
their mind about that. They also noticed the guy they
saw never came back to after LHO was killed.

Hoax.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.

I like that very much. Best joke I've heard this year. Oswald had a friend?

Post by claviger
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

They just happened to bring Carcano ammo with them?
SOunds like a set-up to be. Or a HOAX.
You will fall for anything.

Was it the FBI's fault or the DPD? Who was stupider?
Did they have a contest?

mainframetech

2018-06-24 00:40:37 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Not particularly. If I remember correctly those two boxes were HAND
WRITTEN '6.5' on them. For all we know the FBI put it there. However, if
they didn't then they would have wanted to list that areas as a practice
area, which they said they could not find.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was a 'lone
nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Hoover had a reputation that 'heads would roll' if his people didn't
follow his directions. So they wanted to fulfill his prediction about a
'lone nut' killer. There are even other quotes of Hoover pushing that
particular scenario.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald was
an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

I used the term figuratively. He was probably a lousy shot from all
reports.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

We've been though that story of yours. The FBI an the WC rejected that
story and baloney.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Maybe this and maybe that.

It comes down to no evidence.

Chris

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-25 02:09:41 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Fun. But if they were empty boxes how would the know to write 6.5 on
them when they found them?

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was a 'lone
nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald was
an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

I used the term figuratively. He was probably a lousy shot from all
reports.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

We've been though that story of yours. The FBI an the WC rejected that
story and baloney.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Maybe this and maybe that.

It comes down to no evidence.
Chris

claviger

2018-06-26 21:49:07 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Not particularly. If I remember correctly those two boxes were HAND
WRITTEN '6.5' on them.

D79 Two empty boxes marked “6.5 Italian Ammunition.”

https://archive.org/stream/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/Warren%20Commission%20Docs%20210_djvu.txt

Post by mainframetech
For all we know the FBI put it there.

Why? They did not make a big deal about this find.

Post by mainframetech
However, if they didn't then they would have wanted to
list that areas as a practice area, which they said they
could not find.

The FBI did not follow up on this possible evidence.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was
a 'lone nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Then why didn't the FBI agents do a better job investigating
the Sportsdrome sightings? They did a mediocre job on that
situation and missed some obvious clues.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald
was an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

I used the term figuratively.

How so?

Post by mainframetech
He was probably a lousy shot from all reports.

He was average to above average in the USMC.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

We've been though that story of yours. The FBI an the WC
rejected that story and baloney.

The Sportsdrome was not the only place to practice shooting
a rifle. Obviously someone used the gravel pit to fire 6.5 mm
ammo. Maybe LHO did not want to be seen at the local public
firing range.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Maybe this and maybe that.

Yes, there are several maybes how LHO could have acquired
ammo for his rifle. We've discussed this before at length.

It comes down to no evidence.
Chris

What comes down to no evidence? There is obvious evidence
someone fired LHO's rifle at the motorcade from the 6th floor
window. Had he not been aware of that, why did he leave work
and hurry home to get his pistol, and then shoot a local police
officer?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-27 15:17:54 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Not particularly. If I remember correctly those two boxes were HAND
WRITTEN '6.5' on them.

D79 Two empty boxes marked ???6.5 Italian Ammunition.???
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/Warren%20Commission%20Docs%20210_djvu.txt

Post by mainframetech
For all we know the FBI put it there.

Why? They did not make a big deal about this find.

Post by mainframetech
However, if they didn't then they would have wanted to
list that areas as a practice area, which they said they
could not find.

The FBI did not follow up on this possible evidence.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was
a 'lone nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Then why didn't the FBI agents do a better job investigating
the Sportsdrome sightings? They did a mediocre job on that
situation and missed some obvious clues.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald
was an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

I used the term figuratively.

How so?

Post by mainframetech
He was probably a lousy shot from all reports.

He was average to above average in the USMC.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

We've been though that story of yours. The FBI an the WC
rejected that story and baloney.

The Sportsdrome was not the only place to practice shooting
a rifle. Obviously someone used the gravel pit to fire 6.5 mm
ammo. Maybe LHO did not want to be seen at the local public
firing range.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Maybe this and maybe that.

Yes, there are several maybes how LHO could have acquired
ammo for his rifle. We've discussed this before at length.

It comes down to no evidence.
Chris

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

claviger

2018-06-28 01:42:13 UTC

Post by claviger
What comes down to no evidence? There is obvious evidence
someone fired LHO's rifle at the motorcade from the 6th floor
window. Had he not been aware of that, why did he leave work
and hurry home to get his pistol, and then shoot a local police
officer?

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

So your theory is an innocent LHO was so outraged he was confronted by a
police officer in the lunchroom he quit work and went home to get a gun
and shot the first police officer he saw. Is this more Liberal Logic on
your part? I guess your point is LHO committed justifiable homicide.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-30 01:11:59 UTC

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

No, silly. As I said criminals will sometimes react that way to a simple
traffic stop.

I don't know if Oswald was completely innocent, but someone who was frames
for a crime he did not commit might be distrustful. You see no problem
with Ruby always carrying his revolver, but you do for Oswald. Oswald was
paranoid. He told the Russians in the embassy that he always carried his
revolver to protect himself.

claviger

2018-06-30 17:53:17 UTC

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

No, silly. As I said criminals will sometimes react that way to a simple
traffic stop.
I don't know if Oswald was completely innocent, but someone who was frames
for a crime he did not commit might be distrustful. You see no problem
with Ruby always carrying his revolver, but you do for Oswald. Oswald was
paranoid. He told the Russians in the embassy that he always carried his
revolver to protect himself.

So LHO shot the President because he was a paranoid Leftwing
anti-American Marxist deadbeat who got dumped by his Russian
wife who liked American society way more than he did.

Anthony Marsh

2018-07-01 18:00:52 UTC

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

No, silly. As I said criminals will sometimes react that way to a simple
traffic stop.
I don't know if Oswald was completely innocent, but someone who was frames
for a crime he did not commit might be distrustful. You see no problem
with Ruby always carrying his revolver, but you do for Oswald. Oswald was
paranoid. He told the Russians in the embassy that he always carried his
revolver to protect himself.

So LHO shot the President because he was a paranoid Leftwing
anti-American Marxist deadbeat who got dumped by his Russian
wife who liked American society way more than he did.

No. I never said that and I don't think it. Stop trying to force your
paranoid conspiracy theories onto me.

claviger

2018-07-02 00:59:59 UTC

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

No, silly. As I said criminals will sometimes react that way to a simple
traffic stop.
I don't know if Oswald was completely innocent, but someone who was frames
for a crime he did not commit might be distrustful. You see no problem
with Ruby always carrying his revolver, but you do for Oswald. Oswald was
paranoid. He told the Russians in the embassy that he always carried his
revolver to protect himself.

So LHO shot the President because he was a paranoid Leftwing
anti-American Marxist deadbeat who got dumped by his Russian
wife who liked American society way more than he did.

Ironically Marina became Americanized but LHO never did adapt to
competition and teamwork. He should have left Marina for a more social
mistress: Socialist Cuba. Based on his own much preferred Marx-A-Lot
economics he should be happy to contribute wherever needed. However, given
his instinctive impulse for failure no matter what the situation, he would
probably take a shot at Castro one day in the future when he got blisters
on his fingers from chopping all that sugarcane day after day in the hot
tropical sun. Then he would finally get a dose of realty that Socialism
sucks.

Anthony Marsh

2018-07-02 17:40:49 UTC

I think he sorta got the hint when a cop came into the lunch room and
stuck a gun in his stomach.
That does sorta get your attention. Did that ever happen to you?

No, silly. As I said criminals will sometimes react that way to a simple
traffic stop.
I don't know if Oswald was completely innocent, but someone who was frames
for a crime he did not commit might be distrustful. You see no problem
with Ruby always carrying his revolver, but you do for Oswald. Oswald was
paranoid. He told the Russians in the embassy that he always carried his
revolver to protect himself.

So LHO shot the President because he was a paranoid Leftwing
anti-American Marxist deadbeat who got dumped by his Russian
wife who liked American society way more than he did.

That's what he said in his diary.

mainframetech

2018-06-29 00:41:26 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

That indicates someone around the Irving area had a 6.5mm rifle and
used the gravel pit to practice.

Not particularly. If I remember correctly those two boxes were HAND
WRITTEN '6.5' on them.

D79 Two empty boxes marked “6.5 Italian Ammunition.”
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/nsia-WarrenCommissionDocumentsHoch/Warren%20Commission%20Docs%20210_djvu.txt

Post by mainframetech
For all we know the FBI put it there.

Why? They did not make a big deal about this find.

Post by mainframetech
However, if they didn't then they would have wanted to
list that areas as a practice area, which they said they
could not find.

The FBI did not follow up on this possible evidence.

A matter of opinion.

Not so. The FBI after Hoover made a statement that it was
a 'lone nut' killer tried to make his words come true.

This is a weird sentence. Please explain.

Then why didn't the FBI agents do a better job investigating
the Sportsdrome sightings? They did a mediocre job on that
situation and missed some obvious clues.

"Mediocre" only because you liked the idea and are obsessed with it.

Post by mainframetech
However, they wanted very much to be able to prove that Oswald
was an expert shot and wanted to find where he practiced.

I used the term figuratively.

How so?

Post by mainframetech
He was probably a lousy shot from all reports.

He was average to above average in the USMC.

Not by some of the reports. Like the DIs were the ones that filled ut
the real scorecards that mattered. And they wanted their people to pass
through, or it looked bad as far as their training. They sometimes
'helped' the scores. Oswald's friends said he was a lousy shot, with many
'Maggie's Drawers' in his record.

Post by mainframetech
However they stated they could not find anyplace where he practiced.

We've been though that story of yours. The FBI an the WC
rejected that story and baloney.

The Sportsdrome was not the only place to practice shooting
a rifle. Obviously someone used the gravel pit to fire 6.5 mm
ammo. Maybe LHO did not want to be seen at the local public
firing range.

That was NOT obvious. The report on the ammo boxes was that the 6.5
ammunition' was hand written on the boxes. Probably by the FBI was my
guess.

Post by mainframetech
They also said that they could not find where he bought any MC
type ammo either.

Maybe he had a friend buy the ammo at a local gun shop.
He could have met someone at the Sportsdrome who sold
him a few rounds.

Maybe this and maybe that.

Yes, there are several maybes how LHO could have acquired
ammo for his rifle. We've discussed this before at length.

Yes, and one of the possibilities was that he didn't intend to use the
rifle to kill anyone, so he never bought ammunition for it.

It comes down to no evidence.
Chris

His running away from the TSBD is also the move of someone that found
out that they were set up to be a 'patsy' and were about to be blamed for
a murder they didn't commit. The move to get his pistol may have ben to
protect himself when confronting the person that he thought may have set
him up.

Chris

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-22 23:16:42 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.

WHy don't you claim that they faked the assassination and JFK is
actually still alive in a nursing home in Florida?

Post by Steve M. Galbraith
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

bigdog

2018-06-28 01:09:07 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

The FBI wouldn't be able to find where I practice with my firearms. Does
that mean I don't practice? They wouldn't be able to find where I bought
my ammo since I paid cash for it. Does that mean I didn't buy any.

Mark

2018-06-28 19:56:42 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

Aw, snap. Mark

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-29 20:53:01 UTC

Post by Mark

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

Aw, snap. Mark

Hoover had to personally threaten Assistant DA Bill Alexander to
prevent him from charging Oswald with murder "In furtherance of an
International Communist Conspiracy."

mainframetech

2018-06-29 00:39:54 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

"They" faked the autopsy, the wounds, the films and everything else
implicating Oswald but they didn't fake evidence he purchased ammunition
or practiced with the rifle.
See? the FBI is both not credible and corrupt and credible and honest.
They can be - and have to be - whatever the conspiracists need them to be
to make their claims work.

WRONG! This has all been discussed before. When all the facts wee put
together it looked clearly like he didn't intend to kill anyone. He
didn't buy ammo with the rifle even though the ad for the rifle was
selling bullets for it too. He didn't practiced as proven by the fact
that the scope was still not aiming properly at the time of the shooting.

And as to gun shops not recording sales because they were cash,
that's not necessarily true. They often recorded sales at the register to
allow easy restocking. And they often have duplicate sales slips. There
was only one shop that had the right ammo, and they checked that one and
found that he didn't buy any ammo there.

Chris

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-19 21:22:40 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

But we still don't know what brand. Did the DPD just throw them away?

mainframetech

2018-06-20 17:42:31 UTC

Post by mainframetech
The FBI also couldn't find anyplace he practiced and couldn't
find anyplace where he bought any ammunition for the rifle.

The FBI found a few places he could practice with it, in the Trinity
River Bottoms, the Sportsdrome, and a garbage dump near Irving.
Empty ammo boxes for 6.5 ammo were found at that dump.

Two empty boxes of 6.5 ammo were found at a local gravel pit.

So what? The FBI was clear that they found NO PLACE where Oswald
practiced, and that would be impossible anyway because the MC rifle of his
had a bad mounting on the scope so that the rifle couldn't shoot straight.
If he had practiced, he would have gotten the rifle fixed before taking on
the POTUS.

Chris

Steve BH

2018-06-06 14:56:43 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.

He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

Steve M. Galbraith

2018-06-07 01:17:16 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.

And he went to his missions riding a bus.

I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!

See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-08 00:53:23 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Few people say he was a CIA agent.
Just being a CIA agent does not rule him in or out as being a shooter.

mainframetech

2018-06-08 01:14:54 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Chris

mainframetech

2018-06-09 01:20:53 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.
Chris

It might also be useful to look up the information from a William
Walter, who worked in a financial section, and remembered the name Lee
Harvey Oswald on pay checks going out from his area. His testimony is
around here somewhere.

Chris

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-09 14:07:52 UTC

Post by claviger
flagpole
The Georgian Who Knew a Sniper Would Kill JFK
Prophetic Crackpot?
By Donald E. Wilkes, Jr.
https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2013/10/23/the-georgian-who-knew-a-sniper-would-kill-jfk
Informant Oswald?
Not all of From an Office Building With a High-Powered Rifle deals with
Milteer. Sometimes its author turns his attention to other people,
including Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year old ex-Marine and ex-defector to
the Soviet Union, who, the Warren Commission claimed, was the sole
assassin of President Kennedy.
President Lyndon B. Johnson famously described Lee Harvey Oswald as
???quite a mysterious fellow,??? and many JFK assassination
scholars, looking at Oswald???s intrigue-filled life, his exotic
travels to (among other places) Finland, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and
Mexico, and his multiple encounters with law enforcement agents or
intelligence operatives, have concluded that Oswald may have secretly been
a paid U.S. government informant or some other law enforcement or
intelligence agency asset.
Donald Adams thinks these scholars may be right.
In June 1964, Adams transferred to the Dallas FBI office, where the JFK
assassination was the office???s first priority. Because of his
experiences there, because of his knowledge of the unusual way the Dallas
office dealt with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination, and
because after the assassination the Dallas FBI office destroyed documents
relating to Oswald, Adams concludes in his book that ???Oswald must
have been a government informant for the CIA, the FBI, or both.???
Think of that. A man who was an FBI agent for two decades and who
personally and officially investigated the assassination in 1963-64 agrees
with the critics of the Warren Commission who maintain that it is likely
Lee Harvey Oswald secretly worked for the FBI or the CIA! Of course, the
FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission all denied that Oswald secretly
worked for the government.

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

The fact that Hosty was openly speaking to his wife and searching for him.

Post by mainframetech
Chris

bigdog

2018-06-09 14:12:53 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-10 18:06:15 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.

All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

claviger

2018-06-12 12:43:27 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

Yes in one way it does, however the problem is he managed to do all this
by his own efforts and meager resources. This is the basic enigma of LHO,
he can fit either scenario. Would the CIA trust him with big-boy stuff,
like making contact with the KGB control officer for assassinations in the
Western Hemisphere?

claviger

2018-06-13 03:12:22 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.

A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.

So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?

LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?

Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

mainframetech

2018-06-14 02:31:04 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

Chris

claviger

2018-06-15 00:47:12 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.
Chris

Not surprised it was over your head. Here are some facts:
LHO went to Mexico City. He met with the Cubans and Soviets.
He came back to Dallas and shot the President. Anyone would
ask is there a connection to all this?

I think rejection set him on a mission to prove them wrong.
He was a force to be reckoned with. However, we can never
be sure he wasn't lured into doing this crime somehow with
the promise of money and sanctuary.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-16 05:21:35 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

Yes, of course the KGB had a dossier on Oswald. They were very
suspicious of him.

Post by claviger
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.
Chris

LHO went to Mexico City. He met with the Cubans and Soviets.
He came back to Dallas and shot the President. Anyone would
ask is there a connection to all this?
I think rejection set him on a mission to prove them wrong.
He was a force to be reckoned with. However, we can never
be sure he wasn't lured into doing this crime somehow with
the promise of money and sanctuary.

Do you believe the hoax stories?

mainframetech

2018-06-16 05:41:37 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.
Chris

Still a load of baloney made up from imagination. Here's a fact:

HSCA Interview of James B Wilcott, 22 March 1978

"Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to
the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in
effect?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, it is my belief that he e\was a regular agent and this
was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union."

From:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=260#relPageId=56&tab=page
page 29

Chris

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-24 00:18:04 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.
Chris

HSCA Interview of James B Wilcott, 22 March 1978
"Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to
the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in
effect?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, it is my belief that he e\was a regular agent and this
was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union."

FYI, someone does not have to be a regular agent to participate in a
project. There were often joint projects. Some where the MK/ projects
which were often a joint effort of the CIA and the NSA. My father was an
NSA officer who participated in joint projects with the CIA.

And sometime the CIA will just borrow a specialist from another agency for
a specific mission. Like the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA borrowed a
Marine colonel called Ned to supervise the attack. He stayed on and became
an officer.

So the CIA could borrow Oswald from the Marines for its fake defector
program.

Post by mainframetech
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=260#relPageId=56&tab=page
page 29
Chris

bigdog

2018-06-16 21:03:35 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

mainframetech

2018-06-20 17:43:27 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.

Chris

Mark

2018-06-21 21:47:01 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.
Chris

Chris, reasons for thinking such-and-such are not evidence. Mark

mainframetech

2018-06-24 00:39:30 UTC

Post by Mark

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.
Chris

Chris, reasons for thinking such-and-such are not evidence. Mark

True, and we're not in court where that matters. As I've often said,
as amateur detectives we can do as the profesionals do and take rumor and
hearsay and include it as facts to aid in finding a perpetrator, THEN look
to getting solid evidence at that time acceptable in court.

Chris

bigdog

2018-06-28 01:09:24 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.

They just aren't logical reasons.

mainframetech

2018-06-29 00:39:20 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.

They just aren't logical reasons.

And that isn't a logical opinion.

Chris

bigdog

2018-06-29 21:08:28 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

LHO bragged to Marina how frugally he went to Mexico City and back,
proving a determined loner could do it. On the other hand, there was talk
of a major Russian defector in Mexico City. Would the CIA send a novice
or reliable agent with experience? It can be argued both ways.
A novice would be expendable but unknown to the KGB, unless they have a
dossier on LHO. If he was an KGB agent sent back to the USA they would
quickly find his record on file. Would the KGB or Castro take the risk of
contact with LHO shortly before the assassination? I don't think so, LHO
would be too obvious and I doubt they would take that risk. This argues
for LHO being the "tumbleweed" the KGB wanted nothing to do with.
So then would Castro take the chance is the big question?
LHO was furious and frustrated by the fact none of the Big 3 players in
the Cold War needed his services. He might have shot JFK to spite both
the Russians and Castro. Sounds crazy but LHO had a teenager mentality to
authority figures and his Russian sweetheart just broke up with him. He
was ready to go out in a blaze of Marxist glory proving all of them wrong
for underestimating his talents and devotion to Marxist ideology. I
wonder if he got satisfaction he shocked the Soviets and Castro too?
Was this a Big 3 Trifecta where he got even with the US, USSR, Cuba, and
wife too, all who rejected him? In fact the list may be longer. Did the
FBI and CIA reject him too? We know Gerry P Hemming turned him down for
Interpen. That is an interesting situation because GPH had a gut feel LHO
was a plant. In fact he might have thought LHO was an FBI plant to spy on
the CIA. When in NO was he working as a penetration spy for an ex-FBI Guy
Bannister, but who was Bannister working for? What a tangled mess LHO
managed to leave as a deadly tumbleweed.

What a load of baloney! Made up as it was written. Guesses and made up
emotions attributed to Oswald. Very little factual info.

So you allow yourself to say what was going through Oswald's mind but
nobody else gets to. Is there no end to your double standards?

WRONG as usual. You know very well that I provide reasons for
thinking why Oswald didn't want to kill anyone with his rifle.

They just aren't logical reasons.

And that isn't a logical opinion.

How would you know?

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-13 14:14:57 UTC

Post by bigdog
Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

No, but
A. Oswald was not most people.
B. He was the only one in the area with his own FPCC chapter.
C. He was the only one in the area to have visited both the Cuban
Embassy AND the Russian Embassy.
All that would make him a good candidate to be an informant.

You can't say that. I know one kook who claims that the head shot came
from the SS car. Oswald could not have fired that shot.
I have never said that the CIA ever made Oswald part of the plan.

mainframetech

2018-06-13 20:03:04 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

Of course. Go to the testimony of William Walter, who was a financial
guy for some of the federal agents. He attested to the fact that he
encountered pay checks for a Lee Harvey Oswald during his time working for
the feds.

Also:

HSCA Interview of James B Wilcott, 22 March 1978

"Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to
the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in
effect?

Mr. Wilcott. Yes, it is my belief that he e\was a regular agent and this
was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union."

From: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=260#relPageId=56&tab=page
page 29

While being an agent is not being an informer, it is suggestive that
he already had a connection with the intel people, and only a short step
to working as informant for the FBI o CIA (or both).

Chris

bigdog

2018-06-14 14:54:28 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

Of course. Go to the testimony of William Walter, who was a financial
guy for some of the federal agents. He attested to the fact that he
encountered pay checks for a Lee Harvey Oswald during his time working for
the feds.
HSCA Interview of James B Wilcott, 22 March 1978
"Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to
the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in
effect?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, it is my belief that he e\was a regular agent and this
was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union."
From: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=260#relPageId=56&tab=page
page 29
While being an agent is not being an informer, it is suggestive that
he already had a connection with the intel people, and only a short step
to working as informant for the FBI o CIA (or both).

Any corroboration for this amazing tale. Without such, it isn't very
compelling.

Anthony Marsh

2018-06-15 01:54:21 UTC

Yes, he did. Unfortunately the government paid him only in Monopoly Money
and used toilet paper. Whenever he asked for anything of value, even S&H
Green Stamps, his handlers hold him budgets were too tight, it would
compromise his agent "legend," and to go home and suck it up.
He remains the most talented secret agent to work for nothing for four
years, in U.S. history. Even Oswald's cheap coffin collapsed. The CIA put
up a star for him on their memorial wall, but it was made of cardboard and
chewing gum wrappers, and it soon mildewed, and is now gone. Even now, he
just cannot catch a break.

His CIA mission clearly was to uncover spy rings operating in the
secretarial pools of unemployment offices.
And he went to his missions riding a bus.
I mean, who would think that an erratic, impoverished high school dropout
with no money, no car, no job was in reality a top CIA agent? It's the
perfect cover!
See, all of the evidence that he wasn't an agent is in conspiracy world
evidence that he was. This is the classic, textbook example of how they
view this event. Everything that points to him being the assassin is, in
reality, evidence that he wasn't.

Tell us about all that evidence that says he wasn't an FBI informant.

Since most people are not FBI informants, the sensible thing to do is
believe Oswald was not unless there is compelling evidence that he was.
Got any?

Of course. Go to the testimony of William Walter, who was a financial
guy for some of the federal agents. He attested to the fact that he
encountered pay checks for a Lee Harvey Oswald during his time working for
the feds.
HSCA Interview of James B Wilcott, 22 March 1978
"Mr. Sawyer. When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to
the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in
effect?
Mr. Wilcott. Yes, it is my belief that he e\was a regular agent and this
was a regular project of the Agency to send Oswald to the Soviet Union."
From: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=260#relPageId=56&tab=page
page 29
While being an agent is not being an informer, it is suggestive that
he already had a connection with the intel people, and only a short step
to working as informant for the FBI o CIA (or both).

Any corroboration for this amazing tale. Without such, it isn't very
compelling.

Well, Oswald was never an agent, but the CIA could have used him anyway.
Just borrow him from the ONI to dangle in front of the KGB and see if
they take the bait. Angleton had a program to send false defectors into
the Soviet Union.

mainframetech

2018-06-15 21:20:06 UTC