Post by Bob St.JohnThis could have been a worthwhile exercise if someone did it properly.
However, "TM"'s example has the user buying some products two, or in the
case of SVISTA, three times, to inflate the total. And to help things
along in that direction ... "silly math" enters the picture.
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Post by The OS/2 GuyAdd in everything together - from Preview ($99) through eCS v1.0
$1,438.00
First $99 + $149 + $300 + $445 = $993
Second, your selection of pricing is FUBAR
$139 for eComStation 1.0 (before GA, Preview was provided at no charge)
$89 for eComStation Upgrade Protection, provided 1.1 Entry and AppPack
$296 for 1.2, 1.2 Application Pack and Subscription Svcs for both
$524 total
THESE are prices YOU suggested, NOT what your distributors charged.
Let's remember here Boob, you don't sell eCS yourself. You leave it up
to your greedy distributors. Reminder: MOST of your distributors have
fled. You are now forced to sell eCS out of Canada (Troughton) and The
Netherlands (Klein).
Preview was NOT free. eCS v1.0 was NOT free.
Reminder: Those who bought eCS ended up with a problematic bastardized
version of OS/2 that *to this day* fails to work properly.
Post by Bob St.JohnAssuming someone could find and buy SWC for 2000=2001, 2002-2003,
2004-2005, that cost would be $540. eComStation is less expensive than
SWC over this period. Feel free to insert other prices, including the
new PA pricing.
FUBAR. BALONEY. SWC was $125 and NOT available for the 2004-2005
subscription, Passport Express took it's place at just $62.50. Total
SWC cost: $302.50
Reminder: Those who bought SWC got a premier working operating system.
Post by Bob St.JohneComStation pricing is comparable to IBM. But consider that the user who
puchased eComStation at 1.0 at $139 could have stopped there and still
received all the software that iBM made available on SWC and DDPak
online over the next five years at no additional cost.
eComstation is no where near comparable to IBM. You sold just a handful
of eCS and of those who bought it found it failed for them. They moved
on to Microsoft and Linux. Cost of eCS v1.0 to the OS/2 community:
detrimental
Post by Bob St.JohnThat same $139 expenditure entitled the user to HOBLink ($200),
Which no one needs, wants or is using today.
Freely available.
LotusSmart Suite ($180),
Which 99% of all OS/2 users already had/have.
a lot of other good software.
All available for free.
Total value of this deal: Zilch
Post by Bob St.JohnAnd, since the Application Pack 1.2 was included in "TM" pricing, keep
in mind that SSI provided OS/2 users with OpenOffice.org/2,
Doesn't work, is quite useless, and can't/won't replace SS/2. Can be
purchased for a minial cost from Innotek.
Value: Zilch
Post by Bob St.Johnnot IBM. And
SVISTA/2, a virtual machine product which supports OS/2 as both host and
guest.
There is no such product at all and you know it. There is a "maybe
someday we'll have this product and you'll have to pay up the nose for a
full working copy" but today, there is just another one of Serenity's
failed promises.
Even if SVista/2 comes to completion the cost of hardware to run it is
beyond the scope of 95% of all OS/2 users. The poor performance of a
'virtual OS' within an OS is even more detrimental.
Value: Hot Air and ZILCH.
Post by Bob St.JohnWhen Connectix sold this product, it was over $200. Now .. it
doesn't exist.
No one wanted Connectix which is why it doesn't exist today. THAT
should have been a clue to the eCS Lusers who bought into your
stupidity. Had you undertook a plan to bring a Real Audio Player/2,
WebCam/2, WebPhone/2, Movie Maker/2, Media Player/2, Embellish v3.0,
Colorworks v3.0, or any of hundreds of useful needed applications to the
OS/2 arena, you might scare up a few sales.
You didn't because it was cheaper to string people along with a silly
product like "SVista".
Value: Zilch
Post by Bob St.JohnIt is inappropriate to bring the multi-platform into an eComStation
pricing because they are separate.
No need to even bring it up other then to use the moment to illegally
promote a failed product. I'll edit it out for my readers.
Post by Bob St.JohnBut what if a user didn't want all those applications? Well, then the
$139 for eComStation 1.0 ($239 after promotional pricing)
$89 for Upgrade Protection to 1.1 (optional)
$59 for the 1.2 upgrade (optional)
$69 for the Subscription service (optional)
$356 Total ($456 if 1.0 ordered after the promo price expired)
Reminder: for the $356 you cite the buyer ends up with a poor working
problematic operating system that fails to reach the level of OS/2 Warp
4.52 today.
Value: Zilch
Post by Bob St.JohnI indicate "optional" because users continued to get access to updates,
fixes, and drivers, even if they remained on 1.0. With SWC or PA, the
user must continually renew to have access.
All are clearly available in a variety of ways for the Warp 4.52 user:
SWC/PA, XNap, Limewire, other OS/2 users.
Post by Bob St.JohnThe simple truth is that in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, eComStation
has provided a valuable set of options to OS/2 users ...
The honest truth is that eComstation has been a rip-off from day one
providing little more than a problematic poor operating system that few
people want or need.
Post by Bob St.Johnthat's a long
time and a consistent record of delivering product,
You have continually failed to 'deliver'. You promised eCS v1.2 on June
30th. Today is August 22nd. JUST for this 1.2 version that is 54 days
late. Not one of your two distributors has this product to provide to
any pre-buyer today and there is no date provided by your two
distributors as to when a pre-buyer may actually receive such a product.
eCS v1.0 and v1.1 was months late.
Consistant delivery is a joke despite your glossy claims.
You've dilvered no value to the eCS Luser, OS/2 user and you've worked
to destroy the OS/2 community.
Post by Bob St.Johnprotecting customer investment, and being responsive to users. That is a
public record, easy to see.
Yes it is, thousands of complaints posted in newsgroups by just a
handful of eCS Lusers. You've never been able to sell eCS to any
Enterprise customer and have covered that fact by claiming you can't
release the names of your customers.
Post by Bob St.JohneComStation users continue to give it high marks, making it the OS/2
User Poll Commercial Product of the Year.
LOL! Yes, all six of your investors. They HAVE to. They ARE INVESTED
and can't go anywhere else. They either vote for eCS or lose their
investment. Complain publicly and you ban them from your privately
controlled eCS advertising forums. You fudge the votes and can't
provide one iota of truth to back up your facetious polls. You know
what's sad (and quite telling) is the low number of those supposed votes
in favor of eCS. Somehow, amazingly, astonishingly, from out of thin
air, you found more than 200 OS/2 users when every poll taken anywhere
else can barely find 200 OS/2 users.
It's called misnomer marketing, a trick you learned well from Loonytoony
Cheung, you're former partner. The guy who took a hike when the balloon
deflated on eCS.
Post by Bob St.JohnAnd SSI, with OpenOffice.org/2 and SVISTA, continues to invest in
solutions for OS/2 users. Options, choices, value ... sounds OK to me.
You're an idiot but you know that. No one needs or wants either of the
two products noted above but keep believing yourself because you make it
easy for us to ridicule eCS, you and Serenity itself.
Post by Bob St.JohnAgain, "TM", thank you for a marketing moment.
No no no. THANK YOU for freaking out and responding to my posts with
all your glib marketing crap. You do more harm to eCS sales then your
idiotic German salesmen, Herbutt Rosenau. That poor guy hasn't seen a
sale of eCS in so long he is going berserk stammering in every newsgroup
he can weasle his way into.
I know my work is appreciated when you come in here worried to death
over the truth of my eCS facts.
Now give these kind folks a realistic date for delivery - ACTUAL
delivery - of eCS v1.2.
Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
email: ***@Gmail.com