Alt.atheism is going to the dogs

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fasgnadh

2009-11-24 07:13:22 UTC

Whoa, alt.atheism is dying. What used to be 1500 minimum postings in a 24 hour
period is now down to about 250.

The decline really set in when the Atheist Reform Movement
started to expose the hate-filled dogmatism of militent atheism;

From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,aus.politics,
alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.republicans,
uk.politics.misc,alt.religion.Christianity,alt.agnosticism
Subject: The decline of alt.atheism matches the WORLDWIDE decline in
atheism B^D
Re: Statistical Evidence Shows The decline in interest in
atheism means it's time to rename alt.atheism to 'alt.defunct' B^D
Message-ID: <CA1um.42196$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:23:30 GMT

The decline in alt.atheism is accelerating,

2005 514162
2006 549328
2007 486343
2008 355014
That's a 35% decline from peak! B^D
THRICE DECIMATED! B^D
Month on month the same DECLINE is clear!
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul
2005 52033 42304 46915 41645 41816 35167 43399
2006 49234 39584 50708 45405 45759 43675 45985
2007 40606 31247 45357 41447 45536 46649 43602
2008 35192 32643 37228 30442 31920 26776 28464
Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2005 40918 42076 42253 38898 46738
2006 48731 45846 44995 44431 44975
2007 40677 40681 36182 32382 41977
2008 25649 21904 25605 31226 27965
Since I arrived the rout of atheism has accelerated! B^)
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep
2009 26650 22005 21588 19870 23480 20243 18594 20164 14295
DFPSFNCC* 48% 47% 57% 56% 48% 56% 59% 58% 68%
Decline From Peak Since Fasgnadh's NG Cleansing Commenced!
alt.atheism is in TERMINAL decline because it is FULL
of lying atheist hypocrites, ignorant hate filled atheist bigots,
post forging atheist moral defectives, godless Bastets, wankers
and irrational infants!
The Atheist Reform Movement is cleansing the Augean Atheist Stables!

not only have most
of it's former heavy hitters cut and run, abandoning the field
and never being heard from again.. not only has their AQOTM wank
(Atheist Quackery Of The Month) collaposed due to lack of interest
and Nemo-toad running away after I kicked his arse, but there is
effectively NO discussion of Atheism anymore! 8^o
The NG is full of discussion about religions, what they do, what they
believe, how much impact they have around the world, and interesting
threads about Science and religion, ...but none of the atheists
want to talk about atheism.. because
1. Atheism has no accomplishments
2. Atheism has no connection with science whatsoever
3. Atheiss has nothing positive or even useful to say and most of all
4. Atheism in practice, the *REALITY* of atheism, is too awful to
talk about.. the atheist states, the USSR,
Maoist China, Pol Pots regime -
killed over 60,000,000 and were massive failures, and the only
remaining atheist regime, Nth Korea is the most dysfunctional
madhouse on the planet. No wonder the Atheists won't debate! B^D
Since the first time I challenged atheists, 9 months ago, to name a
single great and enduring atheist civilisation, or even a partially
successful atheist nation, or any atheist regime that wasn't a
completely fucked up totalitarian tyranny.. the SILENCE in
alt.atheism has been growing till it now
matches that IN Nth Korea; B^]

"All religion has effectively been prohibited since 1950"
- Lonely Planet
The contrast is compelling, South Korea, where religion flourishes,
is democratic, prosperous and developed.. atheist Nth Korea can't
even feed it's people!
No wonder the atheists in alt.atheism ALL avoid debating atheism,
they are all ASHAMED of it.
That's why the Atheist hypocrites all choose to live in free,
open, democratic, pluralist, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, and
not the last atheist shithole regime!
And it explains why everything EXCEPT atheism is discussed in
alt.atheism by the few remaining posters who still claim to be
atheist!
B^D

PDW
notice the difference in numbers of readers between alt.atheism

Google results 11,300,000

and alt.religion

Google results 29,300,000
And that's just alt.religion, ...we need to add aus.religion,
alt.religion.christianity, alt.religion.Islam, uk.religion..
etc etc etc!
Like the Colosseum, thousands come to watch you being
fed to us Lions, but you still don't amount to SHIT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
Atheism is in WORLDWIDE DECLINE.
Suck it up you dumb fucks!
And get your heads OUT of your arses!!! B^D
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# Believers pray in a church in Shanghai on the Christmas Eve
# in this December 24, 2006 photo.
#
# The number of people who describe themselves as religious is
# a startling three times more than the official estimate,
# according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
#
# The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
# Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
# University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
# of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
#
# Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
# atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
# in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
#
# "This is in sharp contrast to the official figure of 100 million,
# which has remained largely unchanged for years.
#
# A striking feature is the re-vitalization of traditional Chinese
religions.
#
# About 200 million people are Buddists, Taoists or worshippers
# of legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
# accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers.
#
# Also significant is the big rise in followers of Christianity.
#
# According to official figures, their number rose from less
# than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million in 2005;
# but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers, or 40 million,
# are Christians."
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#

"The survey also sheds light on reasons behind the religious revival.

Of the 1,361 people surveyed, 24.1 percent said religion
"shows the true path of life"."

According to the survey, China's new believers are happier,
society is more harmonious, and crime is lowered, as a result
in the dramatic rise in religion. (the society is also far
more prosperous, since abandoning the dogmatic atheist
doctrines of Mao.. at least now they worship a figure
embodying genuine Goodness, Justice, Peace, Love.. and not
some fat atheist fuck! B^)

Atheism's Historical Zenith;

"Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines"

Out of his big fat arse!!! B^D

"This kind of feeling is especially common in rural areas,"
Liu was quoted as saying in the latest issue of Chinese-language
Oriental Outlook magazine, which published the survey.

However, Liu disagreed that religious passion is fanned
by poverty. For example, many new believers in recent
years are from the economically-developed coastal areas.

Liu attributed the rising influence of religions to the
religious freedom enjoyed in the country and social problems
confronting the Chinese in a time of fast change."

This is something lost on Western atheists, who
already benefit from the freedoms won by generations
of religious in predominately religious societies over
centuries.. Religious freedom is freedom for ALL
ideas, and it is something that the victims of athseist
tyrannies, who are denied it, understand fully!

That is why freedom of belief, including freedom to NOT believe,
is essential, and restoring it after Maoist atheists
destroyed it, (and ruined china's economy and society)
has been a critical part in China's post Maoist progress!!

Religious freedom will be seen as the essential FIRST STEP
in growing political freedoms.

"The survey also finds that more young people have joined
the ranks of the religious since 2000. "This is markedly
different from the previous decade, when most religious
believers were in their 40s or older," said Liu.

Specifically, 62 percent of the 1,435 religious believers
surveyed are in the 16-39 age group, while only 9.6 percent
are 55 years old or older.

Also, the number of middle-aged believers saw a big surge
in the late 1990s, according to Liu.

"They were atheist in the 1950s, but they have turned to
religion when they turned older."

As people mature, their understanding of life deepens and
adolescent atheism is likely to be cast aside among those
capable of critically questioning the indoctrination they
received at the hands of the atheist state.

"About 72 percent of the religious said they are happier now
than when they were not believers."

No surprises there, Atheist Dogma is designed to help them
rationalise their own misery and despair;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17456?context=latest

"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

#
# In comparison, Western Atheists are a tiny irrelevant minority,
# an insignificant 0.7% of the US population;
#
# # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
# #
# # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...>yahoo.com.au>
# # Newsgroups:
# # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.16...>news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# # Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
# #
# # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
# #
# # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
# #
# # 2001 2008
# #
# # Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
# #
# # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
# #
# # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
# #
# # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
# #
# #
# #
# # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# #
# #
# # 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
# #
# # 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
# #
# #
# # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
#
#
#
# Atheism in decline - it is hardly a surprise, at best it
# is an ineffectual, trivial, useless and irrelevant subset of Nihilism,
# adopted by intellectual lightweights seeking a frisson of rebellion
# without requiring too much brainpower to grasp it's puerile and
# simplistic dogma; "There is no God.. don't ask us for proof"
#
# At worst, it is the most violent and opressive ideology of the 20th
# century. Every atheist regime has been a totalitarian shithole and
# atheist tyrannies are responsible for over 40,000,000 dead, far
# exceeding the Nazi holocaust.

#
# fasgnadh wrote:
#>
#>
#>Atheists are still quoting Epicurus as if his weak rhetoric is logic.
#>
#>By the time we get to the Enlightenment people understood that
#>a God who stops you from hitting the ground when you fall over,
#>is a puppet master controlling automatons, not the creator
#>of autonomous beings with free will and responsibility.
#>
#>Still the atheists cling to their simplistic caricatures.
#>
#>They even blame the god they claim not to believe in, for NOT
#>STOPPING the mass murders of the atheist holocausts!!! 8^o
#>
#> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:10645?context=latest
#>
#>As alt.atheism shows they share the fundamentalists LITERAL reading
#>of the Bible, believing that their ignorant misunderstandings of
#>metaphor shows faults in the text.

#>
#>In the 19th century, Nietzsche Freud and Marx, all singularly
#>unimpressive individuals, (respectively disturbed, neurotic,
#>and misogynist) advanced theories rejecting God. And laid
#>the groundwork for the totalitarian horrors of the 20th Century.
#>
#>The worst barbarity occurred in the 'Modern'(sic) Era, when God
#>had been proclaimed Dead in the hearts of man, Religion declared
#>the Opium of the people, and the sexuality of the neurotic Viennese
#>Bourgeois became the central obsession of mankind.
#>
#>Gas chambers and Gulags, millions systematically tortured terrorised
#>and murdered, churches burned, then entire cities, priests killed then
#>entire communities.. the Atheist shitholes were the worst and most
#>miserable, and their peoples could not wait for them to be assigned
#>to the dustbin of FAILED experiments.
#>
#>And yet modern atheists, like modern Nazis, refuse to acknowledge
#>the holocausts carried out by THEIR ideology, in every case where it
#>came to power! 8^o
#>
#>
#> Atheism needs REFORM.
#>
#> It has become a haven of Blind Faith and Dogma
#>
#> Morton Lucifer needs to nail his 95 Theses to the door
#> of Dawkin's house.. or perhaps to his forehead...! B^D
#>
#> and launch the ATHEIST REFORMATION!!! B^D
#>
#>Atheism is now, in the hands of Dawkins and Hitchins, a populist
#>dogma. It still tries to wear the mantle of science, aided in this
#>by the (mostly American) Creationist morons, who cannot understand
#>that creation does not unfold according to THEIR understanding,

I can't say I'm surprised.

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fasgnadh

2009-11-24 09:14:14 UTC

Permalink

Whoa, alt.atheism is dying.

Most of it's atheist posters are already dead, from the neck up.

Richo agred with you a few months ago, when he realised the
Atheist Reform Movement was staking atheist myths in the heart and
the light of reason was burning their skin. ;-)

# From: Richo <***@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
# Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<acbca475-4901-4b6d-ab9d-***@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
#
# Hello friends,
#
# It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
# (been a "regular" since 1997)
#
# it is getting to me lately.
#
# There are no decent arguments
#
# The kooks are stupid but tedious and boring with it
#
# And its not any "fun" anymore.
#
# Farewell
#
#
# Proud Member of S.M.A.S.H.

(Simpleminded Muddle-headed Atheists Sans Humour)

You are right

And that insight and correct analysis gives me a predictive
capacity

Both you and Duke, from opposite ends of the spectrum, now
both accept what i told you months ago. Alt-atheism is in terminal
decline, thanks to the myth-busting Atheist Reform Movement puncturing
your hubris and error;

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.republicans,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.religion.Christianity,alt.agnosticism
# Subject: The decline of alt.atheism matches the WORLDWIDE decline
# in atheism B^D
# Re: Statistical Evidence Shows The decline in interest in atheism
# means it's time to rename alt.atheism to 'alt.defunct' B^D
# Message-ID: <CA1um.42196$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:23:30 GMT
#
# fasgnadh wrote:
# > Bill M wrote:
# >> "Syd" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
# >>
# >> fasgnadh wrote:
# > >>
# > >> The decline in alt.atheism is accelerating,
# >
# > Google record of posts in alt.atheism :
# >
# > 2005 514162
# > 2006 549328
# > 2007 486343
# > 2008 355014
# >
# > That's a 35% decline from peak! B^D
# >
# > THRICE DECIMATED! B^D
# >
# >
# > Month on month the same DECLINE is clear!
# >
# > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul
# > 2005 52033 42304 46915 41645 41816 35167 43399
# > 2006 49234 39584 50708 45405 45759 43675 45985
# > 2007 40606 31247 45357 41447 45536 46649 43602
# > 2008 35192 32643 37228 30442 31920 26776 28464
# >
# >
# > Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
# > 2005 40918 42076 42253 38898 46738
# > 2006 48731 45846 44995 44431 44975
# > 2007 40677 40681 36182 32382 41977
# > 2008 25649 21904 25605 31226 27965
# >
# >
# >
# > Since I arrived the rout of atheism has accelerated! B^)
# >
# > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep
# > 2009 26650 22005 21588 19870 23480 20243 18594 20164 14295
# >
# > DFPSFNCC* 48% 47% 57% 56% 48% 56% 59% 58% 68%
# >
# >
# > Decline From Peak Since Fasgnadh's NG Cleansing Commenced!
# >
# > alt.atheism is in TERMINAL decline because it is FULL
# > of lying atheist hypocrites, ignorant hate filled atheist bigots,
# > post forging atheist moral defectives, godless Bastets, wankers
# > and irrational infants!
# >
# > The Atheist Reform Movement is cleansing the Augean Atheist Stables!
# >
# >
# >
# >>> not only have most
# >>> of it's former heavy hitters cut and run, abandoning the field
# >>> and never being heard from again.. not only has their AQOTM wank
# >>> (Atheist Quackery Of The Month) collaposed due to lack of interest
# >>> and Nemo-toad running away after I kicked his arse, but there is
# >>> effectively NO discussion of Atheism anymore! 8^o
# >>>
# >>> The NG is full of discussion about religions, what
# >>> they do, what try believe, how much impact they
# >>> have around the world, and interesting threads about
# >>> Science and religion, ...but none of the atheists
# >>> want to talk about atheism.. because
# >>>
# >>> 1. Atheism has no accomplishments
# >>>
# >>> 2. Atheism has no connection with science whatsoever
# >>>
# >>> 3. Atheiss has nothing positive or even useful to say and most of
# >>> all;
# >>>
# >>> 4. Atheism in practice, the *REALITY* of atheism, is too awful to
# >>> talk about.. the atheist states, the USSR,
# >>> Maoist China, Pol Pots regime - killed over 60,000,000
# >>> and were massive failures, and the only remaining atheist
# >>> regime, Nth Korea is the most dysfunctional madhouse on
# >>> the planet. No wonder the Atheists won't debate! B^D
# >>>
# >>>
# >>> Since the first time I challenged atheists, 9 months ago,
# >>> to name a single great and enduring atheist civilisation,
# >>> or even a partially successful atheist nation,
# >>> or any atheist regime that wasn't a completely fucked up
# >>> totalitarian tyranny.. the SILENCE in
# >>> alt.atheism has been growing till it now
# >>> matches that IN Nth Korea; B^]
# >>>
# >>> http://youtu.be/Qtm3FRcFuHU
# >>>
# >>> "All religion has effectively been prohibited since 1950"
# >>> - Lonely Planet
# >>>
# >>> The contrast is compelling, South Korea, where
# >>> religion flourishes, is democratic, prosperous and
# >>> developed.. atheist Nth Korea can't even feed it's people!
# >>>
# >>> No wonder the atheists in alt.atheism ALL avoid debating atheism,
# >>> they are all ASHAMED of it.
# >>>
# >>> That's why the Atheist hypocrites all choose to live in free,
# >>> open, democratic, pluralist, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, and
# >>> not the last atheist shithole regime!
# >>>
# >>> And it explains why everything EXCEPT atheism is discussed in
# >>> alt.atheism by the few remaining posters who still claim to be
# >>> atheist!
# >>>
# >>>
# >>> B^D
# >>
# >> PDW
# >>
# >> notice the difference in numbers of readers between alt.atheism
# >
# > Google results 11,300,000
# >
# >> and alt.religion
# >
# > Google results 29,300,000
# >
# >
# > And that's just alt.religion, ...we need to add aus.religion,
# > alt.religion.christianity, alt.religion.Islam, uk.religion..
# > etc etc etc!
# >
# > Like the Colosseum, thousands come to watch you being
# > fed to us Lions, but you still don't amount to SHIT!
# >
# >
# > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# >
# >
# > Atheism is in WORLDWIDE DECLINE.
# >
# > Suck it up you dumb fucks!
# >
# > And get your heads OUT of your arses!!! B^D
# >
# > http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
# >

Accurate and incisive ANALYSIS enables a PREDICTIVE capacity;

#32

# From: "fasgnadh." <***@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Re: 95 Theses for Atheist Reform:
# #32 Atheism in Decline
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# - "Religion creates Harmony and reduces crime"
# - China survey Re: The Problem with atheism
# is that it has never had a Reformation
# Message-ID: <FA2Ul.14624$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:27:17 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now, MONTHS after my predictions, we have firm data PROVING
the decline WITHIN alt.atheism, which matches the WORLDWIDE
decline of atheism;

# fasgnadh wrote:
#
# Global Atheism has declined dramatically in the past century.
#
# The huge populations of former atheist regimes, in the USSR and
# Maoist China, have turned to religion in their hundreds of millions.
#
# Now, a new survey from Chinese academics shows the dramatic rise
# of religion in China since the reforms shifting away from the
# dogmatic atheist tyranny under Mao, during which over 20,000,000
# people were tortured, terrorised and murdered in atheist pogroms
# and executions.
#
# "Religious believers thrice the estimate
# By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
#
# "A survey has found that the number of religious believers
# is three times bigger than the official estimate.
#
#
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/xin_350204070906522060570.jpg
# Believers pray in a church in Shanghai on the Christmas Eve
# in this December 24, 2006 photo.
#
# The number of people who describe themselves as religious is
# a startling three times more than the official estimate,
# according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
#
# The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
# Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
# University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
# of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
#
# Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
# atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
# in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
#
# "This is in sharp contrast to the official figure of 100 million,
# which has remained largely unchanged for years.
#
# A striking feature is the re-vitalization of traditional Chinese
religions.
#
# About 200 million people are Buddists, Taoists or worshippers
# of legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
# accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers.
#
# Also significant is the big rise in followers of Christianity.
#
# According to official figures, their number rose from less
# than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million in 2005;
# but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers, or 40 million,
# are Christians."
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#

"The survey also sheds light on reasons behind the religious revival.

Of the 1,361 people surveyed, 24.1 percent said religion
"shows the true path of life"."

According to the survey, China's new believers are happier,
society is more harmonious, and crime is lowered, as a result
in the dramatic rise in religion. (the society is also far
more prosperous, since abandoning the dogmatic atheist
doctrines of Mao.. at least now they worship a figure
embodying genuine Goodness, Justice, Peace, Love.. and not
some fat atheist fuck! B^)

Atheism's Historical Zenith;

http://youtu.be/NT3QuesXgQw

"Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines"

Out of his big fat arse!!! B^D

"This kind of feeling is especially common in rural areas,"
Liu was quoted as saying in the latest issue of Chinese-language
Oriental Outlook magazine, which published the survey.

However, Liu disagreed that religious passion is fanned
by poverty. For example, many new believers in recent
years are from the economically-developed coastal areas.

Liu attributed the rising influence of religions to the
religious freedom enjoyed in the country and social problems
confronting the Chinese in a time of fast change."

This is something lost on Western atheists, who
already benefit from the freedoms won by generations
of religious in predominately religious societies over
centuries.. Religious freedom is freedom for ALL
ideas, and it is something that the victims of athseist
tyrannies, who are denied it, understand fully!

That is why freedom of belief, including freedom to NOT believe,
is essential, and restoring it after Maoist atheists
destroyed it, (and ruined china's economy and society)
has been a critical part in China's post Maoist progress!!

Religious freedom will be seen as the essential FIRST STEP
in growing political freedoms.

"The survey also finds that more young people have joined
the ranks of the religious since 2000. "This is markedly
different from the previous decade, when most religious
believers were in their 40s or older," said Liu.

Specifically, 62 percent of the 1,435 religious believers
surveyed are in the 16-39 age group, while only 9.6 percent
are 55 years old or older.

Also, the number of middle-aged believers saw a big surge
in the late 1990s, according to Liu.

"They were atheist in the 1950s, but they have turned to
religion when they turned older."

As people mature, their understanding of life deepens and
adolescent atheism is likely to be cast aside among those
capable of critically questioning the indoctrination they
received at the hands of the atheist state.

"About 72 percent of the religious said they are happier now
than when they were not believers."

No surprises there, Atheist Dogma is designed to help them
rationalise their own misery and despair;

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17456?context=latest

"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."

#
# In comparison, Western Atheists are a tiny irrelevant minority,
# an insignificant 0.7% of the US population;
#
# # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
# #
# # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...>yahoo.com.au>
# # Newsgroups:
# # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.16...>news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# # Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
# #
# # American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
# #
# # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
# #
# # 2001 2008
# #
# # Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
# #
# # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
# #
# # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
# #
# # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
# #
# #
# #
# # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# #
# #
# # 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
# #
# # 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
# #
# #
# # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
#
#
#
# Atheism in decline - it is hardly a surprise, at best it
# is an ineffectual, trivial, useless and irrelevant subset of Nihilism,
# adopted by intellectual lightweights seeking a frisson of rebellion
# without requiring too much brainpower to grasp it's puerile and
# simplistic dogma; "There is no God.. don't ask us for proof"
#
# At worst, it is the most violent and opressive ideology of the 20th
# century. Every atheist regime has been a totalitarian shithole and
# atheist tyrannies are responsible for over 40,000,000 dead, far
# exceeding the Nazi holocaust.

#
# fasgnadh wrote:
#>
#>
#>Atheists are still quoting Epicurus as if his weak rhetoric is logic.
#>
#>By the time we get to the Enlightenment people understood that
#>a God who stops you from hitting the ground when you fall over,
#>is a puppet master controlling automatons, not the creator
#>of autonomous beings with free will and responsibility.
#>
#>Still the atheists cling to their simplistic caricatures.
#>
#>They even blame the god they claim not to believe in, for NOT
#>STOPPING the mass murders of the atheist holocausts!!! 8^o
#>
#> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:10645?context=latest
#>
#>As alt.atheism shows they share the fundamentalists LITERAL reading
#>of the Bible, believing that their ignorant misunderstandings of
#>metaphor shows faults in the text.

#>
#>In the 19th century, Nietzsche Freud and Marx, all singularly
#>unimpressive individuals, (respectively disturbed, neurotic,
#>and misogynist) advanced theories rejecting God. And laid
#>the groundwork for the totalitarian horrors of the 20th Century.
#>
#>The worst barbarity occurred in the 'Modern'(sic) Era, when God
#>had been proclaimed Dead in the hearts of man, Religion declared
#>the Opium of the people, and the sexuality of the neurotic Viennese
#>Bourgeois became the central obsession of mankind.
#>
#>Gas chambers and Gulags, millions systematically tortured terrorised
#>and murdered, churches burned, then entire cities, priests killed then
#>entire communities.. the Atheist shitholes were the worst and most
#>miserable, and their peoples could not wait for them to be assigned
#>to the dustbin of FAILED experiments.
#>
#>And yet modern atheists, like modern Nazis, refuse to acknowledge
#>the holocausts carried out by THEIR ideology, in every case where it
#>came to power! 8^o
#>
#>
#> Atheism needs REFORM.
#>
#> It has become a haven of Blind Faith and Dogma
#>
#> Morton Lucifer needs to nail his 95 Theses to the door
#> of Dawkin's house.. or perhaps to his forehead...! B^D
#>
#> and launch the ATHEIST REFORMATION!!! B^D
#>
#>Atheism is now, in the hands of Dawkins and Hitchins, a populist
#>dogma. It still tries to wear the mantle of science, aided in this
#>by the (mostly American) Creationist morons, who cannot understand
#>that creation does not unfold according to THEIR understanding,

So what is left for worn out, defeated old atheist warhorses?

leave for good.

Don't expect more going away presents after you CAME BACK within
weeks of your last tearful and heartbroken departure! B^D

Mark.

--
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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

Virgil

2009-11-24 20:26:21 UTC

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In article <GtNOm.57141$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Fasgnadh's lies snipped.

3 Silly Religious Beliefs Held By Non-Silly People
By Greta Christina, Greta Christina's Blog. Posted October 30, 2009.

Many of the beliefs held by religious moderates -- smart people who
respect science and the separation of church and state -- are as
untenable as the dogma of fundamentalists.

"You can't disprove religion."
I'm seeing this trope a lot these days. "You can't disprove religion. At
least -- not my religion."
"Well, of course," the trope continues, "many outdated religious beliefs
-- young-earth creationism, the universe revolving around the earth, the
sun being drawn across the sky by Apollo's chariot -- have been shown by
science to be mistaken. But modern progressive and moderate beliefs --
these, you can't disprove with science. These are simply matters of
faith: things people reasonably choose to believe, based on their
personal life experience."
Then there's the corollary to this trope: "Therefore, atheism is just as
much a matter of faith as religion. And atheists who think atheism is
better supported by evidence are just as dogmatic and close-minded as
religious believers."
The usual atheist reply to this is to cry, "That's the God of the Gaps!
Whatever phenomenon isn't currently explained by science, that's where
you stick your God! What kind of sense does that make? Why should any
given unexplained phenomenon be best explained by religion? Has there
ever been a gap in our knowledge that's eventually been shown to be
filled by God?"
Which is a pretty good reply, and one I make a lot myself. But today, I
want to say something else.
Today, I want to point out that this is simply not the case.
The fact is that many modern progressive and moderate religions do make
claims about the observable world. And many of those claims are
unsupported by science... and, in fact, are in direct contradiction of
it.
I want to talk today about three specific religious beliefs. Not obscure
cults or rigid fundamentalist dogmas; not young-earth creationism, or
the doctrine that communion wafers literally and physically transform
into the human flesh of Christ somewhere in the digestive tract, or the
belief that the human mind has been taken over by space aliens. I want
to talk about three widely held beliefs of modern progressive and
moderate believers: beliefs held by intelligent and educated believers
who respect science and don't think religion should contradict it.
And I want to point out that even these beliefs are in direct
contradiction of the vast preponderance of available evidence -- almost
as much as the obscure cults and the rigid fundamentalist dogma.
So let's go! Today's beliefs on the chopping block are:
1: Evolution guided by God.
Also known as "theistic evolution." Among progressive and moderate
believers, this is an extremely common position on evolution. They
readily (and rightly) dismiss the claims of young-earth creationists
that humanity and all the universe were created in one swell foop 6,000
years ago. They dismiss these claims as utterly contradicted by the
evidence. Instead, they say that evolution proceeds exactly as the
biologists say it does, but this process is guided by God, to bring
humanity and the vast variety of life into being.
A belief that is almost as thoroughly contradicted by the evidence as
young-earth creationism is.
Nowhere in anatomy, nowhere in genetics, nowhere in the fossil record or
the geological record or any of the physical records of evolution, is
there even the slightest piece of evidence for divine intervention.
Quite the contrary. If there had been a divine hand tinkering with the
process, we would expect evolution to have proceeded radically
differently than it has. We would expect to see, among the changes in
anatomy from generation to generation, at least an occasional instance
of the structure being tweaked in non-gradual ways. We would expect to
see -- oh, say, just for a random example -- human knees and backs
better designed for bipedal animals than quadrupeds. (She said bitterly,
putting an ice pack on her bad knee.) We would expect to see the blind
spot in the human eye done away with, perhaps replaced with the octopus
design that doesn't have a blind spot. We would expect to see the vagus
nerve re-routed so it doesn't wander all over hell and gone before
getting where it's going. We would expect to see a major shift in the
risk-benefit analysis that's wired into our brains, one that better
suits a 70-year life expectancy than a 35-year one. We would expect to
see... I could go on, and on, and on.
And it's not just humans. We'd expect to see whales with gills, pandas
with real thumbs, ostriches without those stupid useless wings.
We don't see any of this.
What we see instead is exactly what we would expect to see if evolution
proceeded entirely as a natural, physical process. We see "designs" of
living things that are flawed and inefficient and just plain goofy:
"designs" that exist for no earthly reason except the slow
incrementalism that's an inherent part of the physical process of
evolution. We see anatomical adaptations severely constrained by the
fact that each generation can only be a slight modification on the
previous generation, with no sudden jumps to a different basic version.
We see anatomical adaptations severely constrained by the fact that each
new version has to be an improvement on the previous version (or at
least, not a deterioration from it). We see a vast preponderance of
evidence showing that evolution proceeds very slowly, very gradually,
with the anatomy of each generation being only slightly altered (if at
all) from that of the previous generation.
And that isn't how things designed by a conscious designer, or even
things tinkered with by a conscious designer, work.
Even when a designer is stuck with the outlines of a previous design,
they can still make significant, non-incremental changes. They can tear
out the cabinets and replace them with windows, and move the stove to
the other side of the room where the fridge is now. They're not stuck
with moving the stove one inch at a time, once every week or year or
twenty years. And they're not stuck with a system in which every inch
that the stove moves has to be an improvement on the previous inch.
They're not stuck with a system where, if the stove has been moving
across the floor in a series of incremental improvements, it's going to
have to stop if it starts blocking the door... because blocking the door
is a serious disadvantage.
And if a designer is omnipotent, they're not even stuck with the
outlines of a previous design. They're not stuck with anything at all.
Why on earth would an all-powerful and benevolent god, a god who's
capable of magically altering DNA, bring life into being by the slow,
cruel, violent, inefficient, tacked- together- with- duct- tape process
of evolution in the first place?
Now, it's true that we do see some evidence for what are sometimes
called "jumps" in the fossil record: evidence that evolutionary changes
sometimes happen very slowly, and sometimes happen more rapidly. (It's a
controversial position, but it is one held by some respected
evolutionary biologists.) And some believers in theistic evolution leap
onto this hypothesis and hang on like it's the last helicopter out of
Saigon.
But the "rapid jumps" thing is very misleading. "Rapid," in evolutionary
terms, means "taking place over a few hundred years instead of a few
thousand" (or "a few thousand years instead of a few hundred thousand.")
And as recent research has repeatedly shown, evolution can take place
surprisingly rapidly, in a matter of decades... and still be an entirely
natural process of small changes, incremental alterations in each
generation from the previous one. Exactly as we would expect if
evolution were an entirely natural, physical process of descent with
modification. So even if this "rapid jumps" (or "punctuated
equilibrium") hypothesis is true, it still doesn't point to theistic
evolution. Not even a little bit.
Again: There is not the slightest bit of evidence supporting the idea of
evolution guided by God. And there is a significant body of evidence
that strongly suggests the contrary.

2: An immaterial soul that animates human consciousness.
I will acknowledge freely: We don't yet understand consciousness very
well. The sciences of neurology and neuropsychology are very much in
their infancy, and the basic questions of what exactly consciousness is,
and where exactly it comes from, and how exactly it works, are, as of
yet, largely unanswered.
But research is happening. The foundations for our understanding of
consciousness are beginning to be laid. There are a few things that we
do know about consciousness.
And among the things we know is that, whatever consciousness is, it
seems to be an entirely biological process. A massive body of evidence
points to this conclusion.
When we make physical changes to the brain, it changes consciousness.
Drugs, injury, surgery, sensory deprivation, electrical current,
magnetic fields, medication, illness, exercise -- all these things
change our consciousness. Sometimes drastically. Sometimes rendering an
entire personality unrecognizable. Even very small changes to the brain
can result in massive changes to consciousness... both temporary and
permanent.
This works vice versa as well. Magnetic resonance imagery has shown
that, when people think different thoughts, different parts of their
brains light up with activity. Changes in thought show up as changes in
the brain.... just as changes in the brain show up as changes in thought.
And, of course, we have the drastic change in consciousness created by
the very drastic change in the physical brain known as "death."
All the available evidence points to the conclusion that, when the brain
dies, consciousness disappears. (And by "when the brain dies," I don't
mean, "when the brain is temporarily deprived of oxygen for a short
time," a.k.a. "near death experiences." I mean when the brain dies,
permanently.) The belief that consciousness survives death has probably
been researched more than any other supernatural hypothesis -- nobody,
not even scientists, wants death to be permanent -- and it has never,
ever been substantiated. Reports of it abound. But when carefully
examined, using good, rigorous scientific methodology, these reports
fall apart like a house of cards.
Everything we understand about consciousness points to it being a
physical, biological process. Physical changes cause observable effects.
When we see that in any other phenomenon, we assume that what's going on
is physical cause and effect. We have no reason to think that anything
else is going on with the phenomenon of consciousness.
And there is not a single scrap of good evidence supporting the
hypothesis that consciousness is even partly a supernatural phenomenon.
There are many gaps in our understanding of consciousness -- that's a
massive understatement -- but there is not one piece of solid,
rigorously gathered evidence suggesting that any of those gaps can and
should be filled with the hypothesis of an immaterial soul. There's not
even a good, testable theory explaining how this immaterial soul is
supposed to interact with the physical brain. All there is to support
this belief is a personal intuitive feeling on the part of believers
that the soul has to be non-physical because, well, it just seems like
that... plus thousands of years of other believers with a similar
intuitive feeling, who have told it to one another, and taught it to
their followers, and made up elaborate rationalizations for it, and
written it into their holy texts.
Again: There is not the slightest bit of evidence supporting the idea of
an immaterial soul that animates human consciousness. And there is a
significant body of evidence that strongly suggests the contrary.

]
3: A sentient universe.
You might ask why I'm including this particular belief in my Big Three
Targets. You might wonder why, among all the widely held religious
beliefs in the world today, I'm aiming my sights at this New Age/
Neo-Pagan/ Wiccan belief in a World-Soul.
My answer: I live in Northern California. 'Nuff said.
So that's why I want to debunk this belief. And I'm pretty much going to
repeat what I said in #2 above:
We don't yet understand what consciousness is. But we do know that,
whatever it is, it seems to be a biological product of the brain.
And the universe does not have a brain.
The universe does not have a physical structure capable of supporting
consciousness. The universe does not have neurons, dendrites, ganglia.
The universe has stars, and planets, and other astronomical bodies,
separated by unimaginably vast regions of empty space.
And stars and planets and so on do not behave like neurons and dendrites
and so on. They behave like stars and planets. They behave like objects
that, as nifty as they are, are not alive, by any useful definition of
the word "life."
If consciousness is a biological process -- as an overwhelming body of
evidence suggests, see #2 above -- then the universe, not being a
biological entity, cannot possibly be conscious. To say that it is would
mean radically redefining what we mean by "conscious." And we have no
reason to do so... other than a wishful desire to think of the universe
as sentient.
Consciousness has, for a long time, been a mysterious and utterly
ineffable phenomenon. So, before Darwin, was the tremendous variety and
mind-boggling complexity of life. And like the variety and complexity of
life, consciousness is no longer ineffable. It is being effed. The
unexplainable is being explained. And it is being explained as a
biological phenomenon -- as physical cause and effect.
Again: There is not the slightest bit of evidence supporting the idea of
a sentient universe. And there is a significant body of evidence that
strongly suggests the contrary.
***
Now. I can hear the chorus already. "How can you prove that? You don't
know that with absolute certainty! God could be intervening in evolution
-- just in ways that are indistinguishable from natural selection! There
could be some sort of immaterial soul interacting with the biological
process of consciousness, in ways we don't yet perceive! There could be
some weird form of consciousness that we don't understand, one that's
generated by stars and planets and lifeless astronomical bodies! You
can't prove with absolute certainty that there isn't! Your non-belief is
just an article of faith!"
My answer:
No. We can't prove that with 100% certainty.
But neither can we prove with 100% certainty that the universe wasn't
created 6,000 years ago, by a god who deliberately planted the fossil
record and the genetic record and the geological record and the laws of
atomic decay, all to test our faith. (Or all of which was planted by
Satan, to trick us and tempt us into disbelief.) We can't prove with
100% certainty that communion wafers don't turn into Christ's physical
body on contact with the human digestive system. Hell, we can't prove
with 100% certainty that the earth goes around the sun, and that all our
senses and logical abilities haven't been fooled by some trickster god
into thinking that it does.
And it doesn't matter. As I've said many times: 100% unshakeable
certainty is not the objective here. Reasonable plausibility, supported
by carefully gathered and rigorously tested positive evidence, is the
objective. And there is no reason to apply the "Reasonable plausibility
supported by evidence" standard to the belief in young-earth
creationism... and still apply the "If you can't disprove it with 100%
certainty, then it's still reasonable for me to believe it" standard to
the beliefs in theistic evolution, and an immaterial soul, and a
sentient universe.
If you're going to accept that young-earth creationism has been
conclusively disproven by a mountain of scientific evidence, even though
we acknowledge a .00001% hypothetical possibility that it might be
true... then, if you're going to be consistent, you have to apply that
same standard, that same willingness to accept the reasonable
conclusions of science about which ideas are and are not plausible, to
all religious beliefs.
Including your own.
Especially your own.
Not everything is a matter of opinion or perspective. Not everything can
turn into something completely different if you just look at it
differently. Some things are either true or not true. It is not true
that the universe was created 6,000 years ago. It is not true that the
sun goes around the earth. And it is not true that evolution is shaped
by the hand of God, or that consciousness is animated by an immaterial
soul, or that the universe is sentient.
These things aren't true for exactly the same reason that young-earth
creationism isn't true. They aren't true because the evidence simply
doesn't support them. They aren't true because the evidence actively
contradicts them.
If you're going to be a moderate or progressive religious believer; if
you're going to be a religious believer who respects and supports
science instead of treating it as the enemy; if you're going to be a
religious believer who wants their beliefs to at least not be directly
contradictory with the available scientific evidence... then you need to
be willing to consider the possibility that your own beliefs are every
bit as contradicted by that evidence as the beliefs of the
fundamentalist crazies.
And if the answer is "yup, that belief seems to be contradicted by the
evidence"... then you need to be willing to let go of that belief.

fasgnadh

2009-11-26 20:36:11 UTC

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Post by Virgil

Post by fasgnadh

Whoa, alt.atheism is dying.

Most of it's atheist posters are already dead, from the neck up.
Richo agred with you a few months ago, when he realised the
Atheist Reform Movement was staking atheist myths in the heart and
the light of reason was burning their skin. ;-)
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farwell.
# Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
#
# Hello friends,
#
# It has been a very long time coming but I have finally had enough.
# (been a "regular" since 1997)
#
# it is getting to me lately.
#
# There are no decent arguments
#
# The kooks are stupid but tedious and boring with it
#
# And its not any "fun" anymore.
#
# Farewell
#
#
# Proud Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Simpleminded Muddle-headed Atheists Sans Humour)

You are right

And that insight and correct analysis gives me a predictive
capacity
Both you and Duke, from opposite ends of the spectrum, now
both accept what i told you months ago. Alt-atheism is in terminal
decline, thanks to the myth-busting Atheist Reform Movement puncturing
your hubris and error;
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.republicans,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.religion.Christianity,alt.agnosticism
# Subject: The decline of alt.atheism matches the WORLDWIDE decline
# in atheism B^D
# Re: Statistical Evidence Shows The decline in interest in atheism
# means it's time to rename alt.atheism to 'alt.defunct' B^D
# Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:23:30 GMT
#
# >>
# > >>
# > >> The decline in alt.atheism is accelerating,
# >
# >
# > 2005 514162
# > 2006 549328
# > 2007 486343
# > 2008 355014
# >
# > That's a 35% decline from peak! B^D
# >
# > THRICE DECIMATED! B^D
# >
# >
# > Month on month the same DECLINE is clear!
# >
# > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul
# > 2005 52033 42304 46915 41645 41816 35167 43399
# > 2006 49234 39584 50708 45405 45759 43675 45985
# > 2007 40606 31247 45357 41447 45536 46649 43602
# > 2008 35192 32643 37228 30442 31920 26776 28464
# >
# >
# > Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
# > 2005 40918 42076 42253 38898 46738
# > 2006 48731 45846 44995 44431 44975
# > 2007 40677 40681 36182 32382 41977
# > 2008 25649 21904 25605 31226 27965
# >
# >
# >
# > Since I arrived the rout of atheism has accelerated! B^)
# >
# > Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep
# > 2009 26650 22005 21588 19870 23480 20243 18594 20164 14295
# >
# > DFPSFNCC* 48% 47% 57% 56% 48% 56% 59% 58% 68%
# >
# >
# > Decline From Peak Since Fasgnadh's NG Cleansing Commenced!
# >
# > alt.atheism is in TERMINAL decline because it is FULL
# > of lying atheist hypocrites, ignorant hate filled atheist bigots,
# > post forging atheist moral defectives, godless Bastets, wankers
# > and irrational infants!
# >
# > The Atheist Reform Movement is cleansing the Augean Atheist Stables!
# >
# >
# >
# >>> not only have most
# >>> of it's former heavy hitters cut and run, abandoning the field
# >>> and never being heard from again.. not only has their AQOTM wank
# >>> (Atheist Quackery Of The Month) collaposed due to lack of interest
# >>> and Nemo-toad running away after I kicked his arse, but there is
# >>> effectively NO discussion of Atheism anymore! 8^o
# >>>
# >>> The NG is full of discussion about religions, what
# >>> they do, what try believe, how much impact they
# >>> have around the world, and interesting threads about
# >>> Science and religion, ...but none of the atheists
# >>> want to talk about atheism.. because
# >>>
# >>> 1. Atheism has no accomplishments
# >>>
# >>> 2. Atheism has no connection with science whatsoever
# >>>
# >>> 3. Atheiss has nothing positive or even useful to say and most of
# >>> all;
# >>>
# >>> 4. Atheism in practice, the *REALITY* of atheism, is too awful to
# >>> talk about.. the atheist states, the USSR,
# >>> Maoist China, Pol Pots regime - killed over 60,000,000
# >>> and were massive failures, and the only remaining atheist
# >>> regime, Nth Korea is the most dysfunctional madhouse on
# >>> the planet. No wonder the Atheists won't debate! B^D
# >>>
# >>>
# >>> Since the first time I challenged atheists, 9 months ago,
# >>> to name a single great and enduring atheist civilisation,
# >>> or even a partially successful atheist nation,
# >>> or any atheist regime that wasn't a completely fucked up
# >>> totalitarian tyranny.. the SILENCE in
# >>> alt.atheism has been growing till it now
# >>> matches that IN Nth Korea; B^]
# >>>
# >>> http://youtu.be/Qtm3FRcFuHU
# >>>
# >>> "All religion has effectively been prohibited since 1950"
# >>> - Lonely Planet
# >>>
# >>> The contrast is compelling, South Korea, where
# >>> religion flourishes, is democratic, prosperous and
# >>> developed.. atheist Nth Korea can't even feed it's people!
# >>>
# >>> No wonder the atheists in alt.atheism ALL avoid debating atheism,
# >>> they are all ASHAMED of it.
# >>>
# >>> That's why the Atheist hypocrites all choose to live in free,
# >>> open, democratic, pluralist, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, and
# >>> not the last atheist shithole regime!
# >>>
# >>> And it explains why everything EXCEPT atheism is discussed in
# >>> alt.atheism by the few remaining posters who still claim to be
# >>> atheist!
# >>>
# >>>
# >>> B^D
# >>
# >> PDW
# >>
# >> notice the difference in numbers of readers between alt.atheism
# >
# > Google results 11,300,000
# >
# >> and alt.religion
# >
# > Google results 29,300,000
# >
# >
# > And that's just alt.religion, ...we need to add aus.religion,
# > alt.religion.christianity, alt.religion.Islam, uk.religion..
# > etc etc etc!
# >
# > Like the Colosseum, thousands come to watch you being
# > fed to us Lions, but you still don't amount to SHIT!
# >
# >
# > BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# >
# >
# > Atheism is in WORLDWIDE DECLINE.
# >
# > Suck it up you dumb fucks!
# >
# > And get your heads OUT of your arses!!! B^D
# >
# > http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
# >
Accurate and incisive ANALYSIS enables a PREDICTIVE capacity;
#32
# #32 Atheism in Decline
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# - "Religion creates Harmony and reduces crime"
# - China survey Re: The Problem with atheism
# is that it has never had a Reformation
# Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:27:17 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now, MONTHS after my predictions, we have firm data PROVING
the decline WITHIN alt.atheism, which matches the WORLDWIDE
decline of atheism;
#
# Global Atheism has declined dramatically in the past century.
#
# The huge populations of former atheist regimes, in the USSR and
# Maoist China, have turned to religion in their hundreds of millions.
#
# Now, a new survey from Chinese academics shows the dramatic rise
# of religion in China since the reforms shifting away from the
# dogmatic atheist tyranny under Mao, during which over 20,000,000
# people were tortured, terrorised and murdered in atheist pogroms
# and executions.
#
# "Religious believers thrice the estimate
# By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
#
# "A survey has found that the number of religious believers
# is three times bigger than the official estimate.
#
#
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/xin_350204070906522060570.jpg
# Believers pray in a church in Shanghai on the Christmas Eve
# in this December 24, 2006 photo.
#
# The number of people who describe themselves as religious is
# a startling three times more than the official estimate,
# according to the country's first major survey on religious beliefs.
#
# The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
# Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
# University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
# of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
#
# Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
# atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
# in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
#
# "This is in sharp contrast to the official figure of 100 million,
# which has remained largely unchanged for years.
#
# A striking feature is the re-vitalization of traditional Chinese
religions.
#
# About 200 million people are Buddists, Taoists or worshippers
# of legendary figures such as the Dragon King and God of Fortune,
# accounting for 66.1 per cent of all believers.
#
# Also significant is the big rise in followers of Christianity.
#
# According to official figures, their number rose from less
# than 10 million in the late 1990s to 16 million in 2005;
# but the survey finds 12 percent of all believers, or 40 million,
# are Christians."
#
# http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
#
"The survey also sheds light on reasons behind the religious revival.
Of the 1,361 people surveyed, 24.1 percent said religion
"shows the true path of life"."
According to the survey, China's new believers are happier,
society is more harmonious, and crime is lowered, as a result
in the dramatic rise in religion. (the society is also far
more prosperous, since abandoning the dogmatic atheist
doctrines of Mao.. at least now they worship a figure
embodying genuine Goodness, Justice, Peace, Love.. and not
some fat atheist fuck! B^)
Atheism's Historical Zenith;
http://youtu.be/NT3QuesXgQw
"Mao Zedong Thought is the sun that forever shines"
Out of his big fat arse!!! B^D
"This kind of feeling is especially common in rural areas,"
Liu was quoted as saying in the latest issue of Chinese-language
Oriental Outlook magazine, which published the survey.
However, Liu disagreed that religious passion is fanned
by poverty. For example, many new believers in recent
years are from the economically-developed coastal areas.
Liu attributed the rising influence of religions to the
religious freedom enjoyed in the country and social problems
confronting the Chinese in a time of fast change."
This is something lost on Western atheists, who
already benefit from the freedoms won by generations
of religious in predominately religious societies over
centuries.. Religious freedom is freedom for ALL
ideas, and it is something that the victims of athseist
tyrannies, who are denied it, understand fully!
That is why freedom of belief, including freedom to NOT believe,
is essential, and restoring it after Maoist atheists
destroyed it, (and ruined china's economy and society)
has been a critical part in China's post Maoist progress!!
Religious freedom will be seen as the essential FIRST STEP
in growing political freedoms.
"The survey also finds that more young people have joined
the ranks of the religious since 2000. "This is markedly
different from the previous decade, when most religious
believers were in their 40s or older," said Liu.
Specifically, 62 percent of the 1,435 religious believers
surveyed are in the 16-39 age group, while only 9.6 percent
are 55 years old or older.
Also, the number of middle-aged believers saw a big surge
in the late 1990s, according to Liu.
"They were atheist in the 1950s, but they have turned to
religion when they turned older."
As people mature, their understanding of life deepens and
adolescent atheism is likely to be cast aside among those
capable of critically questioning the indoctrination they
received at the hands of the atheist state.
"About 72 percent of the religious said they are happier now
than when they were not believers."
No surprises there, Atheist Dogma is designed to help them
rationalise their own misery and despair;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17456?context=latest
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent," said Liu."
#
# In comparison, Western Atheists are a tiny irrelevant minority,
# an insignificant 0.7% of the US population;
#
# # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
# #
# # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...>yahoo.com.au>
# # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.16...>news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# # Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
# #
# #
# # "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
# #
# # 2001 2008
# #
# # Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
# #
# # Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
# #
# # Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
# #
# # Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
# #
# #
# #
# # BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
# #
# #
# # 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
# #
# # 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
# #
# #
# # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
#
#
#
# Atheism in decline - it is hardly a surprise, at best it
# is an ineffectual, trivial, useless and irrelevant subset of Nihilism,
# adopted by intellectual lightweights seeking a frisson of rebellion
# without requiring too much brainpower to grasp it's puerile and
# simplistic dogma; "There is no God.. don't ask us for proof"
#
# At worst, it is the most violent and opressive ideology of the 20th
# century. Every atheist regime has been a totalitarian shithole and
# atheist tyrannies are responsible for over 40,000,000 dead, far
# exceeding the Nazi holocaust.
#
#>
#>
#>Atheists are still quoting Epicurus as if his weak rhetoric is logic.
#>
#>By the time we get to the Enlightenment people understood that
#>a God who stops you from hitting the ground when you fall over,
#>is a puppet master controlling automatons, not the creator
#>of autonomous beings with free will and responsibility.
#>
#>Still the atheists cling to their simplistic caricatures.
#>
#>They even blame the god they claim not to believe in, for NOT
#>STOPPING the mass murders of the atheist holocausts!!! 8^o
#>
#> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:10645?context=latest
#>
#>As alt.atheism shows they share the fundamentalists LITERAL reading
#>of the Bible, believing that their ignorant misunderstandings of
#>metaphor shows faults in the text.
#>
#>In the 19th century, Nietzsche Freud and Marx, all singularly
#>unimpressive individuals, (respectively disturbed, neurotic,
#>and misogynist) advanced theories rejecting God. And laid
#>the groundwork for the totalitarian horrors of the 20th Century.
#>
#>The worst barbarity occurred in the 'Modern'(sic) Era, when God
#>had been proclaimed Dead in the hearts of man, Religion declared
#>the Opium of the people, and the sexuality of the neurotic Viennese
#>Bourgeois became the central obsession of mankind.
#>
#>Gas chambers and Gulags, millions systematically tortured terrorised
#>and murdered, churches burned, then entire cities, priests killed then
#>entire communities.. the Atheist shitholes were the worst and most
#>miserable, and their peoples could not wait for them to be assigned
#>to the dustbin of FAILED experiments.
#>
#>And yet modern atheists, like modern Nazis, refuse to acknowledge
#>the holocausts carried out by THEIR ideology, in every case where it
#>came to power! 8^o
#>
#>
#> Atheism needs REFORM.
#>
#> It has become a haven of Blind Faith and Dogma
#>
#> Morton Lucifer needs to nail his 95 Theses to the door
#> of Dawkin's house.. or perhaps to his forehead...! B^D
#>
#> and launch the ATHEIST REFORMATION!!! B^D
#>
#>Atheism is now, in the hands of Dawkins and Hitchins, a populist
#>dogma. It still tries to wear the mantle of science, aided in this
#>by the (mostly American) Creationist morons, who cannot understand
#>that creation does not unfold according to THEIR understanding,
So what is left for worn out, defeated old atheist warhorses?

leave for good.

Don't expect more going away presents after you CAME BACK within
weeks of your last tearful and heartbroken departure! B^D

Mark.

snipped.

The consistent response of atheist is to snip and run from the facts,
and then babble irrelevant drivel;

Post by Virgil
3 Silly Religious Beliefs

There may be many silly religious beliefs, after all they are held by
people, but none have been so catastrophic for humanity as state atheism
which killed over 70,000,000 people.

That is why the atheists SNIP the facts and RUN! B^]
--
alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

Virgil

2009-11-27 02:38:46 UTC

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Post by Virgil
3 Silly Religious Beliefs

There may be many silly religious beliefs

An few if any which are not.

Virgil

2009-11-27 02:41:50 UTC

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Post by Virgil

Mark.

snipped.

The consistent response of atheist is to snip and run from the facts,
and then babble irrelevant drivel;

Post by Virgil
3 Silly Religious Beliefs

I have snipped nothing new, and anything not new has been so thoroughly
snipped by Fasgnadh as to have nothing but his lying propaganda left in
it.

fasgnadh

2009-11-24 09:43:02 UTC

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Whoa, alt.atheism is dying.

1. For example: From 7:54 PM yesterday to 7:52 tonight there were 960
posts to alt.atheism.

You want to extrapolate from a single data point?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

How can you establish decline from a single time sample, moron?

The data is IN, the DECLINE is REAL, I proved it ages ago:

# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.democrats,alt.politics.republicans,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.religion.Christianity,alt.agnosticism
# Subject: The decline of alt.atheism matches the WORLDWIDE decline in
atheism B^D
# Re: Statistical Evidence Shows The decline in interest in
# atheism means it's time to rename alt.atheism to 'alt.defunct' B^D
# Message-ID: <CA1um.42196$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:23:30 GMT
#
#
# Google record of posts in alt.atheism :
#
# 2005 514162
# 2006 549328
# 2007 486343
# 2008 355014
#
# That's a 35% decline from peak! B^D
#
# THRICE DECIMATED! B^D
#
#
# Month on month the same DECLINE is clear!
#
# Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul
# 2005 52033 42304 46915 41645 41816 35167 43399
# 2006 49234 39584 50708 45405 45759 43675 45985
# 2007 40606 31247 45357 41447 45536 46649 43602
# 2008 35192 32643 37228 30442 31920 26776 28464
#
#
# Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
# 2005 40918 42076 42253 38898 46738
# 2006 48731 45846 44995 44431 44975
# 2007 40677 40681 36182 32382 41977
# 2008 25649 21904 25605 31226 27965
#
#
# Since I arrived the rout of atheism has accelerated! B^)
#
# Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep
# 2009 26650 22005 21588 19870 23480 20243 18594 20164 14295
#
# DFPSFNCC* 48% 47% 57% 56% 48% 56% 59% 58% 68%
#
#
# Decline From Peak Since Fasgnadh's NG Cleansing Commenced!
#
# alt.atheism is in TERMINAL decline because it is FULL
# of lying atheist hypocrites, ignorant hate filled atheist bigots,
# post forging atheist moral defectives, godless Bastets, wankers
# and irrational infants!
#
# The Atheist Reform Movement is cleansing the Augean Atheist Stables!

Anybody with half a brain can check this.

That would be why you got the job? B^D

Zamboner has come up with the reason why alt.atheism is in terminal
decline, he says atheists are TOO STUPID TO FIND IT;

2. .. stupid people can't figure out how to get here.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA

Priceless!

---------

alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

Virgil

2009-11-24 20:24:41 UTC

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Post by fasgnadh

Whoa, alt.atheism is dying. What used to be 1500 minimum postings in a 24 hour
period is now down to about 250.

The decline really set in when

The poison pen set lead by fasgnadh began polluting the NG.

Such McCarthyist hate-mongers as Fasgnadh discorage any sort of honest
discussion of real issues by ad-hom-ing to death ant real discussions.

Kadaitcha Man

2009-11-25 10:31:15 UTC

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Post by Virgil
Such McCarthyist hate-mongers as Fasgnadh discorage any sort of honest
discussion

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! That, from an alt.atheism atheist.

~BD~

2009-11-25 10:37:54 UTC