Wibs
2020-06-30 11:04:11 UTC
Did Humphrey Robinson of Thicket Priory marry twice? Depending on which Heraldic Visitation or scholarly publication you read, the answer is yes, and no.
So, who says he married once?
William Dugdale, in his The Visitation of the County of Yorke in 1665-1666, (Surtees Society, Vol. XXXVI, London, 1859), p. 142, gives just one marriage, to Anne, dau of Richard Pyott, Alderman of London. (https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AHE1867.0001.001)
Joseph Hunter, in his Familae Minorum Gentium, Vol. III, (Harleian Society, Vol. XXXIX, London 1895), p. 990, concurs with the above. (https://archive.org/details/FamiliaeMinorumGentiumV39/page/n171/mode/2up)
As does Clay in his ‘Dugdale’s Visitation of Yorkshire with Additions’, Vol III, (Exeter, 1917), p. 170, [Not viewable in the UK, except via a VPN].(https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t9j41wf0k&view=1up&seq=5)
So, who says he married twice?
In Howard and Armitage (Eds.) The Visitation of London in the Year 1568, taken by Robert Cooke, and since augmented both with Descents, (Harleian Society, Vol. 1, London, 1869), the editors provide in their Additions, p. [2], the following: Margaret, dau of Bartholomew Barnes of St. Swithins, London, Citizen and Mercer, wife of Humphrey Robinson. However, the Editors give this extra information in italics, and the note to this says the portions given italics are somewhat doubtful. (https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond01cook/page/2/mode/2up)
In Boyd’s ‘Inhabitants of London’, Boyd goes further and names the two wives of Humphrey Robinson as Anne Pyott and Margaret Barnes, dau of Bartholomew. [Available via Find My Past].
The Pyott pedigree on Stirnet also gives as a first wife of Humphrey Robinson an unnamed dau of Bartholomew Barnes.
At first, I was highly sceptical, but I needed to put this matter to bed, as I am in the process of writing the history of Thicket Priory in the East Riding of Yorkshire, of which Humphrey Robinson, son of John Robinson, alderman of London, was one of the early owners.
First, I obtained a copy of the will of Bartholomew Barnes, citizen and mercer of London, dated 1st March 1605/6, proved 10 October 1606 (PCC, PROB-11-108-269), in which he names his four daughters: Elizabeth, Margaret, Maria and Sara; and their respective husbands, Rowland Backhouse, Humphrey Robinson, Maurice Abbot and Bartholomew Holland.
This will confirmed the addition to The Visitation of London in the Year 1568, but the question remained, was the Humphrey Robinson who married Margaret Barnes the same Humphrey Robinson who later married Anne Pyott and went on to take up residence in Thicket Priory?
I next consulted the lesser known Joseph Foster’s ‘Visitation of Yorkshire 1584/5, by Robert Glover, to which is added The Subsequent Visitation made in 1612, by Richard St. George’, (London, 1875), p. 568, which again (but in italics) says that Humphrey Robinson married 1st an unnamed daughter of Bartholomew Barnes, of London, merchant, and 2nd an unnamed daughter of Richard Pyott, grocer, Alderman of London.
The balance was now tipping in favour of Humphrey having been married twice, but the fact that Humphrey’s son and heir, Richard Robinson, when presenting his written descents to Dugdale in 1665/6, failed to mention that his father had married twice, was still gnawing at me.
The father of Humphrey Robinson was John Robinson, a wealthy citizen and Merchant Taylor and Merchant of the Staple in England, and Alderman of London, made his will in 1599, which was proved 8 Dec 1601. The will is printed in North Country Wills Vol 2, (Surtees Society, Vol. CXXI, Durham and London, 1912), pp. 183-186, (https://web.archive.org/web/20130224191650/http:/www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees_121text.pdf) in which Clay, the Editor, says this of John Robinson:
An eminent merchant in London, who bought large properties in Yorkshire. He had five sons, four of whom were merchants, and founded families, the descendants of which appeared at Dugdale's Visitation in 1666. From John the Rither, from Henry the Buckton, from Arthur the Dighton, and from Humphrey the Thicket lines came. Their pedigrees are duly recorded by Dugdale. The testator died 19 February, 1599-60, and was buried at St. Helen's, Bishopsgate,
where a fine monument still exists. His wife, Christian, died 24 April, 1592.
Humphrey Robinson is named in his father’s will, but no wife or any children are mentioned, which would imply that Humphrey was not married in 1599 when he would have been 20 years of age, having been baptised 1 Feb 1579, at St. Helens, Bishopsgate, London.
The first son of Humphrey and Anne Pyott, Richard Robinson, was born circa 1614 (he married in 1635), meaning that if Humphrey had married twice the two marriages would probably have been between 1599 and 1614.
While searching for these marriages I thought the truth had finally came out, that Margaret Barnes had actually married twice. First to Humphrey Robinson (but NOT the Humphrey Robinson who married Anne Pyott, as HER Humphrey Robinson had apparently died), and secondly to Sir Maurice Abbott, Alderman of London, and died 5th September 1630, for which her funeral certificate survives.
Surrey Archaeological Collections, Vol. III, p. 257, (https://archive.org/details/surreyarchaeolog03surruoft/page/256/mode/2up?q=Barnes) which begins:
‘The vertuous Lady Dame Margaret Abbott, late wife of Sir Maurice Abbott Knight, and Alderman of London, and daughter of Bartholomew Barnes, citizen and sometimes Alderman of London departed this mortall life the fifte daye of September 1630’
BUT, in the will of Bartholomew Barnes mentioned earlier, it was his third daughter, Maria, not Margaret, who had married Maurice Abbot.
So, back to square one. Can anyone throw any light on all this?
Wibs
So, who says he married once?
William Dugdale, in his The Visitation of the County of Yorke in 1665-1666, (Surtees Society, Vol. XXXVI, London, 1859), p. 142, gives just one marriage, to Anne, dau of Richard Pyott, Alderman of London. (https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AHE1867.0001.001)
Joseph Hunter, in his Familae Minorum Gentium, Vol. III, (Harleian Society, Vol. XXXIX, London 1895), p. 990, concurs with the above. (https://archive.org/details/FamiliaeMinorumGentiumV39/page/n171/mode/2up)
As does Clay in his ‘Dugdale’s Visitation of Yorkshire with Additions’, Vol III, (Exeter, 1917), p. 170, [Not viewable in the UK, except via a VPN].(https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t9j41wf0k&view=1up&seq=5)
So, who says he married twice?
In Howard and Armitage (Eds.) The Visitation of London in the Year 1568, taken by Robert Cooke, and since augmented both with Descents, (Harleian Society, Vol. 1, London, 1869), the editors provide in their Additions, p. [2], the following: Margaret, dau of Bartholomew Barnes of St. Swithins, London, Citizen and Mercer, wife of Humphrey Robinson. However, the Editors give this extra information in italics, and the note to this says the portions given italics are somewhat doubtful. (https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond01cook/page/2/mode/2up)
In Boyd’s ‘Inhabitants of London’, Boyd goes further and names the two wives of Humphrey Robinson as Anne Pyott and Margaret Barnes, dau of Bartholomew. [Available via Find My Past].
The Pyott pedigree on Stirnet also gives as a first wife of Humphrey Robinson an unnamed dau of Bartholomew Barnes.
At first, I was highly sceptical, but I needed to put this matter to bed, as I am in the process of writing the history of Thicket Priory in the East Riding of Yorkshire, of which Humphrey Robinson, son of John Robinson, alderman of London, was one of the early owners.
First, I obtained a copy of the will of Bartholomew Barnes, citizen and mercer of London, dated 1st March 1605/6, proved 10 October 1606 (PCC, PROB-11-108-269), in which he names his four daughters: Elizabeth, Margaret, Maria and Sara; and their respective husbands, Rowland Backhouse, Humphrey Robinson, Maurice Abbot and Bartholomew Holland.
This will confirmed the addition to The Visitation of London in the Year 1568, but the question remained, was the Humphrey Robinson who married Margaret Barnes the same Humphrey Robinson who later married Anne Pyott and went on to take up residence in Thicket Priory?
I next consulted the lesser known Joseph Foster’s ‘Visitation of Yorkshire 1584/5, by Robert Glover, to which is added The Subsequent Visitation made in 1612, by Richard St. George’, (London, 1875), p. 568, which again (but in italics) says that Humphrey Robinson married 1st an unnamed daughter of Bartholomew Barnes, of London, merchant, and 2nd an unnamed daughter of Richard Pyott, grocer, Alderman of London.
The balance was now tipping in favour of Humphrey having been married twice, but the fact that Humphrey’s son and heir, Richard Robinson, when presenting his written descents to Dugdale in 1665/6, failed to mention that his father had married twice, was still gnawing at me.
The father of Humphrey Robinson was John Robinson, a wealthy citizen and Merchant Taylor and Merchant of the Staple in England, and Alderman of London, made his will in 1599, which was proved 8 Dec 1601. The will is printed in North Country Wills Vol 2, (Surtees Society, Vol. CXXI, Durham and London, 1912), pp. 183-186, (https://web.archive.org/web/20130224191650/http:/www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees_121text.pdf) in which Clay, the Editor, says this of John Robinson:
An eminent merchant in London, who bought large properties in Yorkshire. He had five sons, four of whom were merchants, and founded families, the descendants of which appeared at Dugdale's Visitation in 1666. From John the Rither, from Henry the Buckton, from Arthur the Dighton, and from Humphrey the Thicket lines came. Their pedigrees are duly recorded by Dugdale. The testator died 19 February, 1599-60, and was buried at St. Helen's, Bishopsgate,
where a fine monument still exists. His wife, Christian, died 24 April, 1592.
Humphrey Robinson is named in his father’s will, but no wife or any children are mentioned, which would imply that Humphrey was not married in 1599 when he would have been 20 years of age, having been baptised 1 Feb 1579, at St. Helens, Bishopsgate, London.
The first son of Humphrey and Anne Pyott, Richard Robinson, was born circa 1614 (he married in 1635), meaning that if Humphrey had married twice the two marriages would probably have been between 1599 and 1614.
While searching for these marriages I thought the truth had finally came out, that Margaret Barnes had actually married twice. First to Humphrey Robinson (but NOT the Humphrey Robinson who married Anne Pyott, as HER Humphrey Robinson had apparently died), and secondly to Sir Maurice Abbott, Alderman of London, and died 5th September 1630, for which her funeral certificate survives.
Surrey Archaeological Collections, Vol. III, p. 257, (https://archive.org/details/surreyarchaeolog03surruoft/page/256/mode/2up?q=Barnes) which begins:
‘The vertuous Lady Dame Margaret Abbott, late wife of Sir Maurice Abbott Knight, and Alderman of London, and daughter of Bartholomew Barnes, citizen and sometimes Alderman of London departed this mortall life the fifte daye of September 1630’
BUT, in the will of Bartholomew Barnes mentioned earlier, it was his third daughter, Maria, not Margaret, who had married Maurice Abbot.
So, back to square one. Can anyone throw any light on all this?
Wibs