On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:55:55 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultOn Sun, 13 Jan 2019 10:37:32 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultOn Sat, 12 Jan 2019 13:51:52 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael ChristYes, it does.
Nothing can create itself.
So immediately, god must have done it? There's no logic in that.
Have you another option, instead of running your mouth off??
Everything around you was created.
We can't be here without an eternal Creator.
Why? Man creates things and he evolved from chemicals and is not
eternal.
So, eternal Creator or we wouldn't be here to 'discover' things...not
create, by the way.
We have never invented anything, we only discover.
And you're sitting in front of a solid state TFT screen with an LED or
fluorescent back light, typing on a keyboard that uses optical or
magnetic switches to interface with a processor with a few millions or
billions of transistors, running a program you will never understand
due to it's complexity and telling me we don't invent?
We invented your god.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultPost by Michael ChristPlus there that thing about 'design', not some atheist freakzoid chance
applying to billions of forms of life and a gzillion under the microscope.
Just poofed, did it?
I just don't know what happened billions of years ago - that is what
answer is.
A long, long, long, long time does not mean anything.
Nothing can create itself, I don't care if it is a gazillion years.
Your position is that god is eternal and intelligent and cares about
humanity. I have no idea what is happening, but I do think the
universe may be eternal and/or cyclical.
In our own galaxy (a "medium size" one) it would take light 100,000
years to cross. There are billions of stars with hundreds of billions
of planets in this galaxy alone and there are billions of galaxies
that we can see. AND the same god that "created" all this has nothing
better to do than worry about mankind and what he does in bed?
The Christian concept of god is absolutely unbelievable.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultI don't have to know to live and enjoy my life. I'm never going to
know all there is to know; no one will ever know all there is to
know. I'm perfectly OK with that, it just means that no matter how
long I live I can keep finding interesting things to learn about.
There are things we can know and there are things we can't know in this
life, God is of the former.
Then you should quit telling people what your god expects of them.
I love that about religious nutters, backed into a corner they spout
off "no one can know the mind of god," while all the rest of the time
they are telling me all about god and what "he" expects of me.
Post by Michael ChristThis I know though, everything of this life will be known in the life to
come. You'll have to take that on trust. Everything, and I mean
everything, even what happened to those planes in the Bermuda Triangle,
what happened to Amelia Earhart, where you lost your 'Cat in the Hat'
book, the works!
You may want to believe, you may even believe, but you can not know.
Nothing that you mention requires a god or miracle, there are natural
phenomena that can account for them.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultI've also learned that people telling you that they have your best
interests at heart, almost never do. If you trust people without
reservation you aren't being saintly or good, you are just being
gullible.
There is only One you can trust and those that are His...same thing.
Trust the figment of your imagination? That would make me as insane
as you, or perhaps a little bit worse off.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultPost by Michael ChristYou are a mad man.
Nothing can create itself.
How can you know that without being there at the moment of creation?
You can't be before you are to make yourself, Default.
Post by defaultThe bible tells you so?
Never read it in the bible.
God tells me. He is reality.
Now you are conversing with your figments?
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultSo the writer of Genesis was there and taking
notes, and god just failed to mention it?
You have to look beyond the story. Like looking beyond what your wife
says to what she is.
Post by defaultPost by Michael ChristPost by defaultThen you'd go one further and claim that this proves the bible is a
true factual account or that your "god" must be just like the bible
describes him, character flaws and all?
You look at the cover by don't know or understand the contents. You'd
deny your own mother if it suited you. You can't escape the truth, Default.
So the bible is an obscure book that nobody reads and nobody bothers
with, is it? Or are there a couple of dozen that see the truth in it,
study it and revere it?
And why is the bible so 'no-good', because it is a Default judged
useless piece of shit?? Or is there another reason why billions
disagree with you??
Still, its what you say that matters.
So your justification is everyone does it so it must be right?
If 75% of the town is at the football match, is it a sin to say it is
popular??
If 75% of a town was at a football game it would be a tiny town
indeed.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultHow do
you feel about the Talmud, Book of Mormon, Urantia Book, Quran, New
World Bible, Dyanetics, etc.?
The same as I feel about cheeseburgers. Some eat cheeseburgers, I'm not
into cheeseburgers.
So all the other books are equally valid as long as you subscribe to
some idea about god? No matter how outlandish?
Then why not the gods of the ancients. At least the Norse gave their
gods believable personalities and required honor and courage, whereas
the Jews invented a juvenile delinquent with a bunch of character
flaws.
Post by Michael ChristI have told you some many times now, the Lord is not a religion
including the so-called christian religion you see.
Yet the only god you have was invented by a religion.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultPost by Michael ChristPost by defaultDon't you ever question how this can be? You were spoon-fed this
malarkey from birth, and it is too hard to abandon childhood
brainwashing; or did you let some nincompoop rope you into it?
None of my family, friends, associates were religious right through my
early life up to about 24 years, then I met some people who seemed to
have meaning to their lives while I was partying and playing the field,
so I investigated with an open heart and thought it is worth a go, and
the rest is history.
Or in other words you allowed yourself to be roped in because you have
some vague feeling that without being given a purpose you can't find a
purpose in life.
Its seems that I am buggered if I do, and fucked if I don't. :-).
Well there do seem to be some Catch-22 issues in the bible.
Post by Michael ChristWithout being given a purpose, there is no purpose in life. That is why
atheism will never satisfy anyone.
The purpose of man is to invent a god in order to control men.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultSo how did you latch on to this idea that there is a god, and that the
bible is the only holy book that gets it right?
God revealed Himself to me because I desired to know Him. And if it was
Islam, I would be a Muslim, if it was the christianity that studies the
bible, it would have been the christianity you know and love. But it
wasn't either.
Hey, people contemplate their navels and say similar things. So now
you are telling me that the bible is inspired but if I create a
religion borrowing parts from any Abrahamic religion all is well?
Sell that idea to the Mid east and I would nominate you for the Nobel
Prize.
Post by Michael ChristThe record in the bible though is true, God choose to leave a written
testimony of Himself somewhere, it just happened to be in the bible. It
could have been in Harry Potter books if He wished. And if it was you
would be carrying on about Harry Potter books now too.
You should not judge a book you don't know by your opinion.
I like John D McDonald, Lee Childs, Bernard Cornwell, C.S. Forester,
and the like. I don't read any books that require belief in the
paranormal. I don't even read a lot of science fiction because too
much of it relies on fantasy.
Post by Michael ChristPost by defaultPost by Michael ChristNot for all the money in the world, Buddy!
You were spoon-fed the counterfeit, I found the real coin.
You found the real con, buddy.
Why is it suddenly 'proof' if you say that?? :-).
You can say that over and over but it won't do you any good.
Nothing can create itself. We needed an eternal God or we would not be
here.
You need to think there is a god and that you understand him.