tmux

[Marek Novotny]

I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but
called tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you
might want to check this out.

[stepore]

Post by Marek Novotny
I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but
called tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you
might want to check this out.

There's also Ubuntu's Byobu.
Screen is still the best thing ever invented since Al Gore invented the
Interwebs.

[Bill Marcum]

Post by stepore

Post by Marek Novotny
I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but
called tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you
might want to check this out.

There's also Ubuntu's Byobu.
Screen is still the best thing ever invented since Al Gore invented the
Interwebs.

Byobu is sort of a front end that runs on top of screen or tmux (in
Ubuntu it uses tmux by default).

[Dan C]

I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but called
tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you might want
to check this out.

n00b.

Bugger off, Mac-droid.

[Marek Novotny]

Post by Dan C

Post by Marek Novotny
I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but
called tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you
might want to check this out.

n00b.
Bugger off, Mac-droid.

;-)

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but called
tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you might want
to check this out.

I used both screen and tmux. tmux seems to have more functions, and is
easier to script!

[Marek Novotny]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Marek Novotny
I just ran into a rather nice utility. It's basically screen, but
called tmux and it's a little more friendly. If you use screen you
might want to check this out.

I used both screen and tmux. tmux seems to have more functions, and is
easier to script!

I've switched to tmux. Very happy with it. It's one of those tools I just
can't imagine not having.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by Marek Novotny
I've switched to tmux. Very happy with it. It's one of those tools I just
can't imagine not having.

Same here! :)

[Dan C]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Marek Novotny
I've switched to tmux. Very happy with it. It's one of those tools I
just can't imagine not having.

Same here! :)

It runs on Windoze???

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0)

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by Dan C
It runs on Windoze???

Well...you could run both Linux & Window$ in a virtual machine!

Post by Dan C

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0)

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

Games, Monk Dan C! Game-droid! :)

[Marek Novotny]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Dan C
It runs on Windoze???

Well...you could run both Linux & Window$ in a virtual machine!

Post by Dan C

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0)

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

Games, Monk Dan C! Game-droid! :)

Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot. He should know better than to
call me a mac-droid.

Speaking of games, does Steam have anything you like?

I decided a ways back that I would be better off just getting a console
and not worrying about games on the computer. I'm starting to feel that
way about media as well. Media and games are so bulky and I get sick of
backing them up and storing them on external hard drives. I have a Kindle
Fire on my desk and use it like a TV and Music player. And I just bought
one of the Nintendo Wii U consoles no one seems to want and have been
playing an adventure game which is very fun.

[T i m]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Dan C
It runs on Windoze???

Well...you could run both Linux & Window$ in a virtual machine!

Post by Dan C

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0)

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

Games, Monk Dan C! Game-droid! :)

Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot.

He is not as that would assume intelligence and direction. He is just
a badly programmed bot (and the same amount of use).

Cheers, T i m

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by T i m

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot.

He is not as that would assume intelligence and direction. He is just
a badly programmed bot (and the same amount of use).

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

[T i m]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:47:30 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by T i m

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot.

He is not as that would assume intelligence and direction. He is just
a badly programmed bot (and the same amount of use).

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

I'm not sure there is anything I 'admire' about Dansie but I'll give
you the program (probably some sort of faulty 'watchdog' routine') is
if nothing else, persistent.

A bit like the noise from a nervous yappy dog ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot. He should know better than to
call me a mac-droid.

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

Post by Marek Novotny
Speaking of games, does Steam have anything you like?

I only play Window$ DirectX games, didn't do much R&D on Linux games...

Post by Marek Novotny
I decided a ways back that I would be better off just getting a console
and not worrying about games on the computer. I'm starting to feel that
way about media as well. Media and games are so bulky and I get sick of
backing them up and storing them on external hard drives.

Unless you are confident that you would re-watch some movies or animes,
it's better to watch-and-delete!

Post by Marek Novotny
I have a Kindle Fire on my desk and use it like a TV
and Music player. And I just bought one of the Nintendo
Wii U consoles no one seems to want and have been
playing an adventure game which is very fun.

Indeed.... those smart devices are more about games than career. :)

I have no interest in consoles, though. A gaming PC is enough.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:46:38 +0800

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
those smart devices are more about games than career

True and .sig-worthy. Stealing it. Shall I attribute it to Mr. Man-wai
Chang?

Cybe R. Wizard

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
True and .sig-worthy. Stealing it. Shall I attribute it to Mr. Man-wai
Chang?

I am sure that I am NOT the first one to talk about this. SO, no need to
attribute it to me. :)

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:01:58 +0800

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
True and .sig-worthy. Stealing it. Shall I attribute it to Mr.
Man-wai Chang?

I am sure that I am NOT the first one to talk about this. SO, no need
to attribute it to me. :)

"Usenet," then.

Cybe R. Wizard

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:56:43 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:46:38 +0800

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
those smart devices are more about games than career

True and .sig-worthy. Stealing it. Shall I attribute it to Mr. Man-wai
Chang?
Cybe R. Wizard

Credit Ip man.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Credit Ip man.

As far as I know, computer was not available in China while Mr. Ip Man
was still alive ... :)

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:46:24 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Credit Ip man.

As far as I know, computer was not available in China while Mr. Ip Man
was still alive ... :)

He had a lasting influence.

[JEDIDIAH]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot. He should know better than to
call me a mac-droid.

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

Post by Marek Novotny
Speaking of games, does Steam have anything you like?

I only play Window$ DirectX games, didn't do much R&D on Linux games...

Post by Marek Novotny
I decided a ways back that I would be better off just getting a console
and not worrying about games on the computer. I'm starting to feel that
way about media as well. Media and games are so bulky and I get sick of
backing them up and storing them on external hard drives.

Unless you are confident that you would re-watch some movies or animes,
it's better to watch-and-delete!

It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

[deletia]

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

[JEDIDIAH]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

An excessive media stockpile might only be 8.5TB and drives are up to 4TB now.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

[Wildman]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

Spartans?

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Wildman

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

Spartans?

Capra flic... "Meet John Doe" The old man with the harmonica.

[Wildman]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by Wildman

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

Spartans?

Capra flic... "Meet John Doe" The old man with the harmonica.

Ok. I assumed you misspelled helots and went the wrong direction.
That what I get for ASSuME'ing.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves. Everyone
can be an actor or a singer. :)

[mechanic]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves.
Everyone can be an actor or a singer. :)

Yeah, even DLNU can be a video star!

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by mechanic

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves.
Everyone can be an actor or a singer. :)

Yeah, even DLNU can be a video star!

Porn star? ;)

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by mechanic

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves.
Everyone can be an actor or a singer. :)

Yeah, even DLNU can be a video star!

Did it appear to you as if I was filming myself?

FOAD, ya little retarded troll fuck.

[T i m]

Post by mechanic

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves.
Everyone can be an actor or a singer. :)

Yeah, even DLNU can be a video star!

I think he should get a monitor with less reflective surround,
especially if he's going to put the camera down in front of it [1]
while he tries to unravel and get his 'top quality / disposable'(?)
ESD strap ad stick it onto his arm (movie gold that little interlude,
over 3.5 minutes of a 4.21 minute video, just getting the wrist strap
on (and badly at that))!

A real 'professional' would have used a professional wrist strap and
plugged it straight onto the available button.


Cheers, T i m

[1] I thought Krusty the clown was just a cartoon! ;-)

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
A real 'professional' would have used a professional wrist strap and
plugged it straight onto the available button.

Professional ESD control systems do NOT use wrist straps, idiot.

I'll bet that you do not even own a smock.

Two proofs that you do not know the first thing about that which you
spew.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
I think he should get a monitor with less reflective surround,

You are an idiot. ALL LED displays go white when you point a camera
at them, and they are carrying the feed. Even if they are not, the
camera sensor array gets flooded.

Yet another thing you are absolutely clueless about.

[T i m]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:30:28 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
I think he should get a monitor with less reflective surround,

You are an idiot. ALL LED displays go white when you point a camera
at them, and they are carrying the feed. Even if they are not, the
camera sensor array gets flooded.

Whooosh. No Krusty, I was talking about the reflection of *you* and
yer grid on the surround of your monitor.

http://youtu.be/4RiIvBX1eTU

See, NOTHING about the display, all to do with the REFLECTION ...

http://youtu.be/4RiIvBX1eTU

First we have you pointing out the proper ESD stud, then we have the
slasher section, the roller coaster ride and then from 2:04 to 2:38
we have the pleasure of watching you struggle with yer cheap and nasty
ESD strap like a child discovering a toilet roll.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Yet another thing you are absolutely clueless about.

And you obviously did 'get' what I was referring to, even though I
spelled it out in a form anyone with the most basic comprehension
skills should have understood.

Remember, Krusty, the more you squirm the deeper you will sink.

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
2:04 to 2:38
we have the pleasure of watching you struggle with yer cheap and nasty
ESD strap like a child discovering a toilet roll.

Yesterday you were declaring that it was 2 minutes and 35 seconds.
Now we see you stating a whole 34 seconds.

You are losing credence with every post you make. Not that you had
any to start with.

And you seem to have a hard on for posting the link. Not only twice
in the same post, but only separated by 3 lines. You don't know how to
grab a still frame, boy?

Oh, and there was no 'struggle' jackass. Unlike you, struggling
through every encounter in life. Chalk up another T i m T a r d in
stupidville post.

[T i m]

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:00:51 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
2:04 to 2:38
we have the pleasure of watching you struggle with yer cheap and nasty
ESD strap like a child discovering a toilet roll.

Yesterday you were declaring that it was 2 minutes and 35 seconds.
Now we see you stating a whole 34 seconds.

And yet another massive *whoosh*. One was you faffing about with the
cheap, nasty, disposable 'free with a box of cereal ESD strap and the
other was how long we could watch you doing the same via the
reflection in your monitor. Is it really so complicated that you can't
keep up ... (you don't need to answer that of course).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You are losing credence with every post you make. Not that you had
any to start with.

Bwhaha ... see above Krusty!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
And you seem to have a hard on for posting the link. Not only twice
in the same post, but only separated by 3 lines.

Bwhaha ... see, the point was that you (and / or others) could watch
the performance, that's why I *purposefully* posted it twice.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You don't know how to
grab a still frame, boy?

Let's see ... (the framegrab didn't show you as clearly as the video
but if you want it:)

Loading Image...

No, the 'fun' was in actually watching you and watching you struggle
... like some old lady with her knitting caught up.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Oh, and there was no 'struggle' jackass.

Is that right. Well, no wonder you can even start to accept such cr*p
solutions as even vaguely acceptable then. If I only had that cheap,
nasty, disposable junk available, I'd just use my experience re
handling ESD sensitive devices and go without (as that would be just
as effective as your little uneducated charade).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Unlike you, struggling
through every encounter in life.

Bwhaha. Yeah, like just slipping my professional wristband onto my
wrist, plugging the coily lead onto the mat and the mat into the
grounding plug. Yeah, that would seem like much more of a struggle
than the video you produced, clearly showing you taking 10x the time
for 10% of the solution. Bwhahahaha!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Chalk up another T i m T a r d in
stupidville post.

Remember what I said ... the more you struggle and squirm, the deeper
you will sink (and you are deep enough already).

So, I bet this sinking feeling will generate another outburst of
disgusting diatribe and some fantasy threats of magic 'flying lead',
simply because you can't stand that someone you think is uneducated,
constantly reveals you for the sham and windbag you are.

Thanks for playing ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
And yet another massive *whoosh*.

You are a goddamned idiot, and your continued use of insulting
phraseology means that you deserve to eat lead moreso than you did
before we knew you were a complete asshole.

Post by T i m
One was you faffing about with the
cheap, nasty, disposable 'free with a box of cereal ESD strap

Pretty lame, considering that 3M is the top ESD product maker in the
world. Pretty much proves that you are an absolute idiot.

Post by T i m
and the
other was how long we could watch you doing the same via the
reflection in your monitor.

So, how many of your personal time hours have you wasted looking for
something to be the little bitch you are about it?

Post by T i m
Is it really so complicated that you can't
keep up ... (you don't need to answer that of course).

You are the one who is behind, dork. Wrist straps were outmoded a
decade ago. More proof about jus how out of touch you are.

Cheer that, you fucking abject idiot.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Bwhaha ... see, the point was that you (and / or others) could watch
the performance, that's why I *purposefully* posted it twice.

The group KNOWS that you "purposefully" did it, dumbfuck. The thing
you missed is the blatantly obvious psychology behind your petty baby
bullshit.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
I'd just use my experience re
handling ESD sensitive devices and go without (as that would be just
as effective as your little uneducated charade).

More proof of just how utterly clueless you are about ESD concerns,
much less current industry abatement methodology.

Your entire presence here is a charade. Mainly because despite your
numeric age, you lack adult maturity. And that to the n'th degree.

Otherwise you would curtail the insulting demeanor and actually
attempt to learn something.

But the group knows that you are not here for that gain. You are here
to display your loss, and LACK of competency in computer sciences.
In that respect, you are "batting 1000", sad child.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Yeah, that would seem like much more of a struggle
than the video you produced, clearly showing you taking 10x the time
for 10% of the solution. Bwhahahaha!

So, you are saying that your watch band styled, outmoded, outdated,
and obsoleted hardware is 10 times more capable of abating an ESD event
than my 100% properly configured field strap is?

You obviously know far less than I had originally considered.
Nice pathetic attempt, however. It makes for yet another good proof
of just how little 'connected' to modern technology you are.

[T i m]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:26:11 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
Yeah, that would seem like much more of a struggle
than the video you produced, clearly showing you taking 10x the time
for 10% of the solution. Bwhahahaha!

So, you are saying that your watch band styled, outmoded, outdated,
and obsoleted hardware

Have you ever actually looked at what is available for general purpose
ESD protection today? I'm not talking about some wafer / mass
production house but everyday equipment protection on the bench or in
the field? You obviously haven't or you *would* have noticed that the
conventional wristband, leads, mat and earthling plug *ARE* still very
much the norm. That is the scenario you suggest you are familiar with
and that was the scenario you were working in on your video.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
is 10 times more capable of abating an ESD event
than my 100% properly configured field strap is?

No, of course not (ignoring the disadvantages of 'disposable straps',
as nicely demonstrated by you on yer video) it was partly poetic
licence to make a right-brained point (but obviously lost on a
left-brainer) and partly to highlight just how *crap* that solution
ended up with you having to grip the strap with your hand.
<snip BS>

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Have you ever actually looked at what is available for general purpose
ESD protection today?

Our company utilizes state of the art ESD abatement equipment, you
retarded POS.

YOU have been out of touch for so many decades due to being
unemployable that you could never even come close to knowing anything
about what is or is not current.

And there is no such thing as "general purpose" in ESD abatement, you
absolute idiot.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
I'm not talking about some wafer / mass
production house but everyday equipment protection on the bench or in
the field?

I doubt *very* seriously that you have any clue as to how a properly
set-up ESD safe electronic workstation is configured.

You can't even get the personnel protection gear right, and still want
to use a fucking outmoded watchband.

Keep squirming, you pathetic worm.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
You obviously haven't or you *would* have noticed that the
conventional wristband, leads, mat and earthling plug *ARE* still very
much the norm.

Not at all "the norm". The list you gave describes the MINIMAL
requisite for a FIELD workstation.

Post by T i m
That is the scenario you suggest you are familiar with

No, it is not. I, in fact, stated that wrist straps are NOT the norm
and are NOT what we use. It is NOT what modern CMs use either. You'll
likely have to google that one though.

Post by T i m
and that was the scenario you were working in on your video.

Nope. I had a carbon based wrist strap and lead. No outdated and
obsoleted watch band crap here.

Thanks for reinforcing *my* knowledge and position regarding the
realm, idiot.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
No, of course not (ignoring the disadvantages of 'disposable straps',

There are none. They last LONGER than a watch band type, and work
better.

So list those "disadvantages", you retarded dope.

Post by T i m
as nicely demonstrated by you on yer video)

I demonstrated disadvantages? I think not. I demonstrated that I
kept my equipment protected while I worked on it. I'll bet that you
haven't put one on in years, and did not the last time you worked on a
PC or circuit card assembly either. You are pathetic.

Post by T i m
it was partly poetic
licence to make a right-brained point (but obviously lost on a
left-brainer) and partly to highlight just how *crap* that solution
ended up with you having to grip the strap with your hand.

The strap has adhesive sticky on it, and I *could* have placed it
around my wrist and latched it up, but instead grasped it in my hand to
facilitate easier and quicker removal. Operational efficacy was not
affected in any way, shape, or form. Further proof that you do not have
the first fucking clue about ESD and are merely making shit up in an
attempt to reinforce your original flawed position and lack of knowledge
of modern industry tools..

Oh, and YOU are the "BS" in this group, idiot.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 08:20:58 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
No, of course not (ignoring the disadvantages of 'disposable straps',

There are none. They last LONGER than a watch band type,

Bwhaha!. Yeah, that's why they are described as 'disposable'!
Bwhahaha!

"Performance = Economy" (From the 3M site)

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
and work
better.

Yeah, we saw that in action on your video so know that ISN'T the case.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
So list those "disadvantages", you retarded dope.

Already done Krusty.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
as nicely demonstrated by you on yer video)

I demonstrated disadvantages?

You did ... how many seconds was it you were unraveling you knitting,
trying to get it round your wrist and stuck to something (that wasn't
actually on the same ground plane as the item you were working on!).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I think not.

No, you don't 'think' at all. You react then outburst as you sink
deeper and deeper every time.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I demonstrated that I
kept my equipment protected while I worked on it.

That is one thing you SPECIFICICALLY did not demonstrate at al. You
demonstrated that you tried to keep yourself at the same potential as
the mat (which you say was earthed somewhere) bit not the equipment
you were working on.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I'll bet that you
haven't put one on in years, and did not the last time you worked on a
PC or circuit card assembly either.

I was wearing one yesterday as it happens, when I was assembling my
new WHS. Luckily it only takes me seconds to roll out the 1.5m x 500mm
mat, plug in the earth bonding plug and slip on the wristband (all the
cables are already hooked up) and then clip to the chassis of whatever
I'm working on with its own wire. Any sensitive devices to be
installed are placed on the mat before they are removed from their ESD
packaging. You demonstrated clearly in that and other videos you don't
have the first clue about how to actually work safely. Just because
you work with people who do, doesn't mean you know jot. I was
*teaching* people how to work safely ITRW for seven years.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You are pathetic.

And you sink deeper and deeper every time you desperately try to argue
black is white.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
it was partly poetic
licence to make a right-brained point (but obviously lost on a
left-brainer) and partly to highlight just how *crap* that solution
ended up with you having to grip the strap with your hand.

The strap has adhesive sticky on it,

I know, I've used them.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
and I *could* have placed it
around my wrist and latched it up, but instead grasped it in my hand to
facilitate easier and quicker removal.

Hmm, like an elasticated wristband would be you mean?

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Operational efficacy was not
affected in any way, shape, or form.

Other than you had to work with your left hand gripping the strap ...

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Further proof that you do not have
the first

<snip expletive that demonstrates lack of intellect>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
clue about ESD and are merely making shit up in an
attempt to reinforce your original flawed position and lack of knowledge
of modern industry tools..

Is that right? Bwhahaha. You a struggling with a cheap, nasty,
DISPOSABLE wrist strap, that you have to 'stick' to yourself and the
object you are working on (NOT THE MAT note) and you think that means
you know all about ESD protection and I don't!

Oh look, this is how you are supposed to use such a strap, as directed
by 3M themselves!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qgpbzaz

Bwhahahaha .... no, you are serious, let me laugh even louder and
right in your face BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Oh, and YOU are the "BS" in this group, idiot.

Remember, the harder you struggle the deeper you sink.

How did that discussion you were having about twisted pair cables work
out for you then?

Deeper and deeper and deeper.

See how I can run circles round you and not swear or lie about what I
know.

Deeper and deeper ...

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Oh, and I dare say that will bring about another bout of you
magic 'flying lead' fantasy threats. Another sure sign that you can't
rely on facts, logic or a good discussion to prove your (bogus)
points.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
There are none. They last LONGER than a watch band type,

Bwhaha!. Yeah, that's why they are described as 'disposable'!
Bwhahaha!

Whereas without REGULAR efficacy testing, a watchband style device
will never give any indication of failed performance. The main reason
they were obsoleted.

You really are unaware of the current method. I am not going to
iterate it for you because your pathetic mentality has you attacking
anyone in the group with your petty, incorrect observations.

They are disposable due to their low cost, idiot.

They are in no way shape or form any less efficacious. Not that a
dope like you has any clue what efficacy is.

They are, in fact, better functioning, because there is no resistor in
line with the cord, which can fail. The strap link is the resistor.
But you probably are unaware of the particular elements mentioned, much
less their function. It is quite easy to laugh at jerks like you.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:10:30 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
There are none. They last LONGER than a watch band type,

Bwhaha!. Yeah, that's why they are described as 'disposable'!
Bwhahaha!

Whereas without REGULAR efficacy testing, a watchband style device
will never give any indication of failed performance.

Bwhaha .... with all this squirming I'm really surprised you haven't
sunk right under yet.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
The main reason
they were obsoleted.

The main reason there were obsoleted! Bwhahaha ... yeah, right, no
one uses any of that expensive stuff any more do they ... they all you
disposable straps, gripped in their hands and stuck under their mats
(not clipped into the supplied stud. I bet you didn't even realise
that was what the stud was for, did you)?

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You really are unaware of the current method.

I am fully aware of the current method, I am aware because I use it!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I am not going to
iterate it for you because your pathetic mentality has you attacking
anyone in the group with your petty, incorrect observations.

Bwhaha ... yeah, that *must* be the reason you can't explain what
field engineers and non-industrial / labs are using every day to
manage their ESD. You can't because you don't know. I already have
many times.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
They are disposable due to their low cost, idiot.

And because they are 'one shot', Krusty.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
They are in no way shape or form any less efficacious.

They are the way you used them in your video (when you bothered to
play out the act of bothering that is).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Not that a
dope like you has any clue what efficacy is.

Yeah, once again you *think* you know something that I don't. I have
you running round in circles, desperately trying to justify your
misunderstandings and lack of comprehension the way the real world
(not your fantasy world) works.

Ok, lets restrict it to yer average Jo, just doing a bit of work with
static sensitive devices for a hobby in his own home or workshop. He
would *always* use cheap, nasty disposable wristbands, *stuck* to his
wrist and *stuck* the mat (they were supposed to be stuck to the
device you are working on to minimise the build up of static between
*you* and *it* (not that you understand the basic usage even), over a
reusable wristband, cords and even a bench mat (rather than a field
portable kit).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
They are, in fact, better functioning, because there is no resistor in
line with the cord, which can fail.

BWHAHAHAHA ... no, it gets even funnier!

1) Yeah, resistors are known to fail aren't they, them being so
complicated etc.

2) You think that a strip of carbon, stuck to some light tape is more
reliable than any wire / resistor combo (that uses carbon in a much
more predictable form).

3) Bwhahahahaha!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
The strap link is the resistor.

Yeah, DUH!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
But you probably are unaware of the particular elements mentioned, much
less their function.

There is that probably word again that is allowing you to sink deeper
and deeper on every one of your posts. How did you get on with that
twisted pair discussion Krusty. You seem to go very quiet when up
against people who actually know what they are talking about and who
aren't just playing you along as their pet.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
It is quite easy to laugh at jerks like you.

I'm sure it is ... when you are oblivious of the facts.

Keep digging Krusty ... not much further now before you are fully
submerged ... again ...

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
and work
better.

Yeah, we saw that in action on your video so know that ISN'T the case.

The adhesive based strap remains attached BETTER than a loosely
fitting watch band, you fucking dumb dipshit!

So, YES, idiot... it IS the case.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:12:12 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
and work
better.

Yeah, we saw that in action on your video so know that ISN'T the case.

The adhesive based strap remains attached BETTER than a loosely
fitting watch band,

Bwhaha ... yeah, I'm sure it does, whilst the sticky lasts. How well
does it compare with the vast majority of well fitting wristbands
though? How much better would your cheap and nasty one-shot /
disposable solution work than a properly fitting wristband? Hey, we
could always grip it in one hand whilst working with the other!

<snip expletive and insults that shows he's lost it again>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
So, YES, idiot... it IS the case.

Bwhahahaha ... of course, and that's why companies give them away and
they are thrown away at the other end as they will generally have
BETTER proper ESD solutions.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. A sure sign that you have lost an argument is when you start more
than usual multiple posts and new flame posts etc.

The more you struggle and thrash about the deeper you will sink ...

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
You did ... how many seconds was it you were unraveling you knitting,
trying to get it round your wrist and stuck to something (that wasn't
actually on the same ground plane as the item you were working on!).

You are a fucking idiot.

It was not raveled, so there was no unraveling", you retarded jackass.
And there was no "knitting" either, dumbfuck.

And the "ground plane" your squirming retarded standpoint mentions is
a fucking joke. It was an ESD mat, ATTACHED to a fully grounded (at an
actual EARTHED) ground rod. So, the cage, the mat, AND my strap were
ALL at the EXACT same potential, idiot. That potential was and still is
ZERO.

You really are a clueless bastard, and a complete and utter fool as
well.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:18:52 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
You did ... how many seconds was it you were unraveling you knitting,
trying to get it round your wrist and stuck to something (that wasn't
actually on the same ground plane as the item you were working on!).

<snip expletive and insults that shows he's lost it>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
It was not raveled, so there was no unraveling", you retarded jackass.

Bwhahaha ... They all come raveled, OOTP and we saw you unraveling it
in the reflection.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
And there was no "knitting" either,

<snip another expletive / insult>

Bwhahaha. Sure looked like it for the *ages* you were trying to sort
it out (with BOTH hands!). I'd have a PC built in the time it took you
to even get started!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
And the "ground plane" your squirming retarded standpoint mentions is
a <snip> joke.

Hey, it's yours!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
It was an ESD mat,

Yup, and in that instance the common ground reference.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
ATTACHED to a fully grounded (at an
actual EARTHED) ground rod.

So you say. I doubt you even understand what sort of characteristics
that should be and why.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
So, the cage, the mat, AND my strap were
ALL at the EXACT same potential, idiot.

Exactly, no reference to the very item you were trying to protect from
any static built up by / on YOU!

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
That potential was and still is
ZERO.

That's handy ... that seem to be the exact same level of your
understanding of how all this works.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You really are a clueless <snip>, and a complete and utter fool as
well.

Not sure that seems to be the case here thought does it?

All I am stating was even for your 'hobby' usage, a better, or at
worst, more sophisticated / re-usable solution was already available,
even to the point of you having a connection point (that you point out
yourself on your video) ready for a 'decent' / re-useable solution.

Now, if you *prefer* to use some cheap and nasty / disposable ESD
strap for some sad / bizarre reason then that's your call.

If you used that cheap and nasty disposable solution because you
didn't happen to have, or couldn't afford or just didn't know existed,
then that's also something else.

However, to claim that the very solution that millions of people are
using every day is not appropriate or current, just shows how
blinkered and strange you are.

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I demonstrated that I
kept my equipment protected while I worked on it.

That is one thing you SPECIFICICALLY did not demonstrate at al.

An idiot like you wouldn't know.

Post by T i m
You
demonstrated that you tried to keep yourself at the same potential as
the mat

There was no try, you retarded little bastard. It, and I WAS at
EXACTLY the same potential. EARTH GROUND. You stupid fuck!

Post by T i m
(which you say was earthed somewhere)

Thanks for showing the group that you are making up lies to support
you retarded position.

Post by T i m
bit not the equipment
you were working on.

The gear IS grounded, idiot!

EVEN USB devices carry a ground point throughout.

EVERYTHING is grounded.

Except you. You are so far from reality, it is a really pathetic
example of just how bad someone can get when they are shown to be WRONG.

*I* am firming grounded in reality, and so is my gear and workstation.

Nice try though, lying loser.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:10:02 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I demonstrated that I
kept my equipment protected while I worked on it.

That is one thing you SPECIFICICALLY did not demonstrate at al.

An idiot like you wouldn't know.

Post by T i m
You
demonstrated that you tried to keep yourself at the same potential as
the mat

There was no try,

<snip expletive and insults, showing he's lost it again>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
It, and I WAS at
EXACTLY the same potential. EARTH GROUND.

Yes, that's exactly what I said ... are you really that simple that
you can read properly?

I said you were (probably) grounded with the mat but not the very
thing you were trying to protect. So, a PD *could* build up between
you (your mate) and IT and therefore create an ESD risk.

<snip more expletives and insults>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
(which you say was earthed somewhere)

Thanks for showing the group that you are making up lies to support
you retarded position.

Hey, I wasn't making up anything ... I just suggested you may not have
had any full ground to your setup as we never saw it.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by T i m
bit not the equipment
you were working on.

The gear IS grounded, idiot!

Sorry, I must have mist the grounding strap from the mate to the cube
thingy (because there never was one). There it was, happily standing
on it's rubber feet ...

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
EVEN USB devices carry a ground point throughout.

That's nice (but irrelevant to a permanent ESD bond).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
EVERYTHING is grounded.

Whilst standing on it's rubber feet?

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Except you.

Aww, bless ... he can't actually prove his case with facts so has to
resort to insults ... insults that are like water off a ducks back.

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
You are so far from reality, it is a really pathetic
example of just how bad someone can get when they are shown to be WRONG.

Bwhaha. So, how DID that twisted pairs discussion work out for you
after all? You seem to keep snipping any reference to it for some
reason? Is it still hurting you?

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
*I* am firming grounded in reality, and so is my gear and workstation.

Well, if you call hanging onto a cheap, nasty, disposable ESD strap
whilst it's wedged under the mat, 'firmLY grounded' then I guess you
were. Most people wouldn't swap that 'solution' for a more
professional one that's for sure. Still doesn't cover the grounding of
the cubox though does it (and as it was that you were working on it
was that you should have been connected to (as well as ground)).

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
Nice try though, lying loser.

Lying? I'd like you to show me where? You can only lie when you state
a known untruth and I haven't done that. All I have *suggested* is
that we have no evidence to prove that your workbench was properly
grounded, only your say-so and I wouldn't trust that as far as I could
throw you, especially in the light of how you twist and squirm to
evade the real world facts.

Remember Krusty, the more you squirm the deeper you will sink.

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
I was wearing one yesterday as it happens, when I was assembling my
new WHS. Luckily it only takes me seconds to roll out the 1.5m x 500mm
mat, plug in the earth bonding plug and slip on the wristband (all the
cables are already hooked up) and then clip to the chassis of whatever
I'm working on with its own wire. Any sensitive devices to be
installed are placed on the mat before they are removed from their ESD
packaging. You demonstrated clearly in that and other videos you don't
have the first clue about how to actually work safely.

Really? Iterate for us just what I did that was "unsafe".

Post by T i m
Just because
you work with people who do,

I instruct people at work, who THEN "do".

Post by T i m
doesn't mean you know jot.

A dope like you has no clue as to what I know. I assure you that it
*IS* "a lot".

Post by T i m
I was
*teaching* people how to work safely ITRW for seven years.

Until anyone who ever employed you realized that your tragically
flawed personality renders you unemployable. Which is why you are not
currently working a real job ITRW. You are too full of yourself, boy.

When I populate an advanced chassis with $15k+ and $20k+ circuit
cards, you can bet that myself and anyone else in the area are
protected.

But a dope like you has never worked on real commercial gear. You
barely can get a PC working, and that ONLY because Windows set you up
with a driver compendium in their install disc(s). Which is why you
came here and became a troll. So you could piss and moan about what
Windows will do that you think Linux will not.

I work with sensitive GaAs devices on gov millimeter and microwave
equipment (you'll have to google, child). Frequencies dopes like you
only can wonder about what goes on in.

I think I have the ESD abatement thing down, or the fail rate in our
lab would be far higher than it is. Ooops... you lose... again.

And a retarded fuck like you wouldn't know what "mission critical"
meant if it bit you in the ass.

So yeah... I know at least an order of magnitude more about ESD
abatement AND concerns than an idiot like you EVER will.

[T i m]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:10:13 -0700, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<***@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

<snip noise and bs>

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
So yeah... I know at least an order of magnitude more about ESD
abatement AND concerns than an idiot like you EVER will.

Yeah, so we saw with your lovely demonstration video. How long did it
take to get that cheap and nasty disposable wristband out of its
packet and (sort of) wrapped round your wrist (which didn't work so
you held onto it instead)?

How long to get it wedged under your ESD mat (if that is what it is)
when there was an actual ESD button sitting there just waiting to be
used?

Just how was the Cubox earthed again?

Cheers, T i m

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by T i m
Remember what I said ... the more you struggle and squirm, the deeper
you will sink (and you are deep enough already).
So, I bet this sinking feeling will generate another outburst of
disgusting diatribe and some fantasy threats of magic 'flying lead',
simply because you can't stand that someone you think is uneducated,
constantly reveals you for the sham and windbag you are.
Thanks for playing ... ;-)
Cheers, T i m

You are a fucking joke.

Nice try, though.

[Bruce Sinclair]

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang
You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

These days everyone has their own camera to film themselves. Everyone
can be an actor or a singer. :)

But not <shudder> necessarily a good one. :)

I blame the parents for stupid comments like "that was really *great*!" ...
when it was really awful. :) :)

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:09:41 -0700

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these
days. So even with a single drive it may take you awhile before
you need to worry about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

Maybe if your quotes weren't so Spartan...

Cybe R. Wizard

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:58:53 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard" <Cybe R.

Post by Cybe R. Wizard
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:09:41 -0700

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:03:03 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by JEDIDIAH
It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these
days. So even with a single drive it may take you awhile before
you need to worry about the fact that you're running out of space.

You saying that movies and tv dramas are all junk? :)

Buncha healots! (I seriously doubt that anyone will get that one).

Maybe if your quotes weren't so Spartan...
Cybe R. Wizard

Touch... Eh? :-)

[Marek Novotny]

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot. He should know better than
to call me a mac-droid.

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

Post by Marek Novotny
Speaking of games, does Steam have anything you like?

I only play Window$ DirectX games, didn't do much R&D on Linux games...

Post by Marek Novotny
I decided a ways back that I would be better off just getting a
console and not worrying about games on the computer. I'm starting to
feel that way about media as well. Media and games are so bulky and I
get sick of backing them up and storing them on external hard drives.

Unless you are confident that you would re-watch some movies or animes,
it's better to watch-and-delete!

It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.
[deletia]

I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with Theora +
ogg. With hard drives prices what they are today it is not expensive to
store the movie. I don't keep everything either. Just those worth keeping
and even that changes over time.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Mr. Man-wai Chang

Post by Marek Novotny
Sometimes I think Dan C is on auto-pilot. He should know better than
to call me a mac-droid.

I admire his/her persistence and faith! :)

Post by Marek Novotny
Speaking of games, does Steam have anything you like?

I only play Window$ DirectX games, didn't do much R&D on Linux games...

Post by Marek Novotny
I decided a ways back that I would be better off just getting a
console and not worrying about games on the computer. I'm starting to
feel that way about media as well. Media and games are so bulky and I
get sick of backing them up and storing them on external hard drives.

Unless you are confident that you would re-watch some movies or animes,
it's better to watch-and-delete!

It all depends on what it is. Drives are pretty large these days. So
even with a single drive it may take you awhile before you need to worry
about the fact that you're running out of space.
[deletia]

I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with Theora +
ogg. With hard drives prices what they are today it is not expensive to
store the movie. I don't keep everything either. Just those worth keeping
and even that changes over time.

I DL to watch a movie if I did not see it at the theater, but wish to
decide whether to add it to my library or not. If I like it, I buy the
bluray. (or plain DVD). I am up to S.5 on NCIS and at $20 a season that
is pretty cheap. Never DLd those though. No compression at all. I DL
the best quality version I can find.

I do not think I have any DLd flics that I do not have the disc for,
however. Once I decide I like it, I buy it or dump it if I don't like
it.

I have not DLd one in ages (months), so any titles I have are surely
in my hard collection. When I fly, I like to take the file on the
laptop, instead of playing the companion DVD or such that comes with the
movie. Mainly because the files one finds online have already been
encoded for you, and are better quality than the DVD or the DL the movie
house offers. Since I own the disc (some several times over), I can
play the file from my laptop hard drive in flights. That saves the
laptop's batteries from the chore of spinning the disc reader.

[Marek Novotny]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
I DL to watch a movie if I did not see it at the theater, but wish to
decide whether to add it to my library or not. If I like it, I buy the
bluray. (or plain DVD). I am up to S.5 on NCIS and at $20 a season that
is pretty cheap. Never DLd those though. No compression at all. I DL
the best quality version I can find.
I do not think I have any DLd flics that I do not have the disc for,
however. Once I decide I like it, I buy it or dump it if I don't like
it.
I have not DLd one in ages (months), so any titles I have are surely
in my hard collection. When I fly, I like to take the file on the
laptop, instead of playing the companion DVD or such that comes with the
movie. Mainly because the files one finds online have already been
encoded for you, and are better quality than the DVD or the DL the movie
house offers. Since I own the disc (some several times over), I can
play the file from my laptop hard drive in flights. That saves the
laptop's batteries from the chore of spinning the disc reader.

When I fly I prefer to have the movie in the device. I take the Kindle
Fire HD with me on flights. It's a good size with good battery life. I
have all my books on it. And I can pre-load it with a few movies from
Amazon before I fly.

You remember that Penn Manor story about those kids at that high school
where the students are being given a Linux laptop? The one where the
students developed their own distributed installation system with code
from SourceForge?

http://www.pennmanor.net/techblog/?p=1847

I read all about it and I bought the exact same laptop. It was just over
$500 with a Haswell core i3, 8GBs of RAM (I added memory) and a 7mm 500
GB HD. I'm running CentOS 6.5 of it. That 3.3 lb laptop has a 7 hour
battery! It has a nice keyboard and an 11.6" display. With a hard drive
that large I can carry all my media if I want to. It holds all my photos,
all my documents, all my ebooks, all my scripts and just some of the good
movies I want to have on hand.

I grabbed the tarball for Eclipse Kepler and installed it by hand. I
configured it with a Perl IDE, Perl-Critic and PadWalker, (Git (Which I
am now reading a book about)), Java, C/C++. All hand configured since RHEL
doesn't yet have Kepler and I wanted Git integration. Those kids picked a
good laptop. I wanted to replace my Dell XPS for a long time. And this
was less than half the price and has a better CPU and intel HD 4000.
Feels like a decent upgrade.

[andrew]

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?

Andrew

[Marek Novotny]

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with Theora
+ ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested Theora
+ ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any restricted
software would work. I re-purchase my previously online purchased music
as CDs and recoded that in ogg. Just current stuff I listen to, plus I
had a fair quantity of existing CDs before I started buying music online.

I keep a pretty clean Linux install these days. The only thing I add is
flash at this point and hopefully WebM removes the need for Flash soon.
Much of YouTube is WebM now. Still not quite there but I would like to
have just a base install with little to nothing patent encumbered. I'm
very close.

[andrew]

Post by Marek Novotny
No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested Theora
+ ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any restricted
software would work. I re-purchase my previously online purchased music
as CDs and recoded that in ogg. Just current stuff I listen to, plus I
had a fair quantity of existing CDs before I started buying music online.
I keep a pretty clean Linux install these days. The only thing I add is
flash at this point and hopefully WebM removes the need for Flash soon.
Much of YouTube is WebM now. Still not quite there but I would like to
have just a base install with little to nothing patent encumbered. I'm
very close.

I am inspired to go that road myself, I have drifted a long way from
the days when all of my music was ogg vorbis. And theora I have not
looked at for a while.

Thanks!!

Andrew

[Marek Novotny]

Post by Marek Novotny
No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music as CDs and recoded that in ogg. Just current stuff I
listen to, plus I had a fair quantity of existing CDs before I started
buying music online.
I keep a pretty clean Linux install these days. The only thing I add is
flash at this point and hopefully WebM removes the need for Flash soon.
Much of YouTube is WebM now. Still not quite there but I would like to
have just a base install with little to nothing patent encumbered. I'm
very close.

I am inspired to go that road myself, I have drifted a long way from the
days when all of my music was ogg vorbis. And theora I have not looked
at for a while.
Thanks!!
Andrew

Theora is not as good as H.264. But honestly, at the compression levels I
already typically use, it's close enough. I would say encode your next
movie both ways and watch one on top of the other and just decide if you
can live with it. It is fine for me. Not perfect, but good enough.

[andrew]

Post by Marek Novotny
Theora is not as good as H.264. But honestly, at the compression levels I
already typically use, it's close enough. I would say encode your next
movie both ways and watch one on top of the other and just decide if you
can live with it. It is fine for me. Not perfect, but good enough.

I have run a few encodes with FFmpeg and libtheora and I have to say
that for the moment I am staying with h.264/libx264. I ran a few
scenes from the Matrix, some action scenes, and theora had some
trouble keeping pace.

Some may be interested in the same scene encoded with FFmpeg/libx265
as the new kid on the block is getting a little usable:

http://www.datafilehost.com/d/18528ddd

Andrew

[DanS]

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
Theora is not as good as H.264. But honestly, at the compression levels
I already typically use, it's close enough. I would say encode your
next movie both ways and watch one on top of the other and just decide
if you can live with it. It is fine for me. Not perfect, but good
enough.

I have run a few encodes with FFmpeg and libtheora and I have to say
that for the moment I am staying with h.264/libx264. I ran a few scenes
from the Matrix, some action scenes, and theora had some trouble keeping
pace.
Some may be interested in the same scene encoded with FFmpeg/libx265 as
http://www.datafilehost.com/d/18528ddd
Andrew

I know this only relates to audio files, but a pretty interesting article
none-the-less....

http://www.stereophile.com/content/mp3-vs-aac-vs-flac-vs-cd-page-2

[JEDIDIAH]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with Theora
+ ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested Theora
+ ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any restricted
software would work. I re-purchase my previously online purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?

All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some fairly
agressive options.

[deletia]

[Marek Novotny]

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?
All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some
fairly agressive options.
[deletia]

Right now I am using a Moto X which plays my my ogg audio just fine. The
music sits on my server and I just grab any song I want via SFTP. No more
worries about how many devices I am using or activation or anything.
Honestly, it feels great.

The video I deal with two ways. I have a Kindle Fire HD because I tend to
buy from Amazon anyway. If I want to watch a TV series for example, I
likely do that via Amazon Prime or a direct rent or purchase. So I can
watch those on my Kindle or my Wii-U. Both have the Amazon app. Firefox,
which runs in Linux, also lets me watch via the browser. If I want to own
the movie, then I buy it on DVD and just play it on my Blu-ray player. If
I want a copy for computer, then I encode it with Theora + ogg.

I haven't really felt the need to move the movie from my computer to the
Kindle. I actually have quite a few tablets and at this point almost
everything I do comes down to either the Kindle HD or a Nexus 7. I like
the Nexus for reading on my way to work. I buy ebooks from O'Reilly and
transfer them via the web to the kindle. The Nexus 7 has LTE so I take
that one with me. The Kindle stays at home and I just use it much like a
TV. I'm either reading a book on the Nexus 7 or playing Fieldrunners.

I hope to see WebM take off when HTML5 really hits and Flash gets
replaced. I think when that happens then we'll have a good video codec
that is completely open and well supported. We're not their just yet.
Close.

Also VLC is coming to Android. And I am sure once that gets solidified it
will likely let us play vp3/theora/ogg vorbis. So we could go that route
as well.

I use RHEL and it's nice not to have to add a third party package source.
Given the choice I'd like to remain non-patent encumbered. And honestly a
few months ago I didn't know what Theora was. When I first got into
Ubuntu I just thought if I wanted to watch video and play audio I had to
get the restricted software. As you know this is a constant issue and I
wanted to overcome it if possible. It's a little more work for me, true,
but I like what I've been able to do here. It proved to me that this
industry really does have a choice. We don't have to line the pockets of
the MPEG-LA patent holders. I am when I buy a DVD, I know. I hope WebM
changes all that. I want to see Amazon sell audio in FLAC / Ogg. That
would be awesome. And I would love to see video online on vp8/ogg. It's a
choice and I hope we stop feeding the people that lock us in jail and
start rewarding those that free us.

[JEDIDIAH]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?
All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some
fairly agressive options.
[deletia]

Right now I am using a Moto X which plays my my ogg audio just fine. The
music sits on my server and I just grab any song I want via SFTP. No more
worries about how many devices I am using or activation or anything.
Honestly, it feels great.
The video I deal with two ways. I have a Kindle Fire HD because I tend to
buy from Amazon anyway. If I want to watch a TV series for example, I
likely do that via Amazon Prime or a direct rent or purchase. So I can

The problem with that is it's basically a single vendor walled garden.
In terms of mobile devices, you're stuck with Amazon's hardware and only
Amazon's hardware. The only exception is a highly ironic one: Apple devices.
That's about as far way from ideals implied by the use of Ogg as you can
possibly get.

In general any DRM file or stream is problematic and ultimately represents
an extended rental that can be revoked at any time rather than actual ownership.

[deletia]

[Marek Novotny]

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?
All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some
fairly agressive options.
[deletia]

Right now I am using a Moto X which plays my my ogg audio just fine.
The music sits on my server and I just grab any song I want via SFTP.
No more worries about how many devices I am using or activation or
anything. Honestly, it feels great.
The video I deal with two ways. I have a Kindle Fire HD because I tend
to buy from Amazon anyway. If I want to watch a TV series for example,
I likely do that via Amazon Prime or a direct rent or purchase. So I
can

The problem with that is it's basically a single vendor walled garden.
In terms of mobile devices, you're stuck with Amazon's hardware and only
Amazon's hardware. The only exception is a highly ironic one: Apple
devices. That's about as far way from ideals implied by the use of Ogg
as you can possibly get.
In general any DRM file or stream is problematic and ultimately represents
an extended rental that can be revoked at any time rather than actual ownership.
[deletia]

You somehow missed what I said about ownership. If I want to own it, I
buy it on DVD and compress it to Theora+ogg. If I want to rent it, I rent
it from Amazon via the Kindle. If it is a TV series, I'll really want
then I will buy it on Amazon. I have no intention of buying a TV series
on DVD and then encoding it all. I'm not going to watch a TV series over
and over again.

[JEDIDIAH]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?
All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some
fairly agressive options.
[deletia]

Right now I am using a Moto X which plays my my ogg audio just fine.
The music sits on my server and I just grab any song I want via SFTP.
No more worries about how many devices I am using or activation or
anything. Honestly, it feels great.
The video I deal with two ways. I have a Kindle Fire HD because I tend
to buy from Amazon anyway. If I want to watch a TV series for example,
I likely do that via Amazon Prime or a direct rent or purchase. So I
can

The problem with that is it's basically a single vendor walled garden.
In terms of mobile devices, you're stuck with Amazon's hardware and only
Amazon's hardware. The only exception is a highly ironic one: Apple
devices. That's about as far way from ideals implied by the use of Ogg
as you can possibly get.
In general any DRM file or stream is problematic and ultimately represents
an extended rental that can be revoked at any time rather than actual ownership.
[deletia]

You somehow missed what I said about ownership. If I want to own it, I
buy it on DVD and compress it to Theora+ogg. If I want to rent it, I rent
it from Amazon via the Kindle. If it is a TV series, I'll really want

Except there's a lot of stuff that you can't "rent" this way.

Quite often, the only option is to "buy" it and to buy it at a price
comparable to physical media. Then on top of that you are VERY limited in
terms of what devices you can view these "rentals" on.

It's a lot like buying into the Apple ecosystem. It's kind of funny
that Apple tablets are the only other ones that support Amazon's "rentals".

No other phones do at all.

Post by Marek Novotny
then I will buy it on Amazon. I have no intention of buying a TV series
on DVD and then encoding it all. I'm not going to watch a TV series over
and over again.

[Marek Novotny]

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by JEDIDIAH

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music

Yeah. But how does that work with other devices?
All of my stuff is playable on your average Android phone. This includes a
lot of stuff that predates Android entirely and is encoded with some
fairly agressive options.
[deletia]

Right now I am using a Moto X which plays my my ogg audio just fine.
The music sits on my server and I just grab any song I want via SFTP.
No more worries about how many devices I am using or activation or
anything. Honestly, it feels great.
The video I deal with two ways. I have a Kindle Fire HD because I
tend to buy from Amazon anyway. If I want to watch a TV series for
example,
I likely do that via Amazon Prime or a direct rent or purchase. So I
can

The problem with that is it's basically a single vendor walled garden.
In terms of mobile devices, you're stuck with Amazon's hardware and
Apple devices. That's about as far way from ideals implied by the use
of Ogg as you can possibly get.
In general any DRM file or stream is problematic and ultimately represents
an extended rental that can be revoked at any time rather than actual ownership.
[deletia]

You somehow missed what I said about ownership. If I want to own it, I
buy it on DVD and compress it to Theora+ogg. If I want to rent it, I
rent it from Amazon via the Kindle. If it is a TV series, I'll really
want

Except there's a lot of stuff that you can't "rent" this way.
Quite often, the only option is to "buy" it and to buy it at a price
comparable to physical media. Then on top of that you are VERY limited
in terms of what devices you can view these "rentals" on.
It's a lot like buying into the Apple ecosystem. It's kind of funny
that Apple tablets are the only other ones that support Amazon's "rentals".
No other phones do at all.

Post by Marek Novotny
then I will buy it on Amazon. I have no intention of buying a TV series
on DVD and then encoding it all. I'm not going to watch a TV series
over and over again.

It's one of the things I really hate about this industry. They sell DRM
free music now. If we could ever pursued these content owners to sell DRM
free video that would be a step in the right direction. Ultimately if we
can get the industry to move to formats that non-patent encumbered we'd
have something to proud about.

I bought the Downton Abby 4 seasons on Blu-ray. I don't want to encode
those at all. I just watched them and then put the discs on a shelf. I
doubt I watch them again. I liked Ridly Scott's Prometheus a lot. So that
got encoded. And Music I listen to every day gets encoded. But I have no
intention of encoding everything.

These big businesses just want to own us. And I think Linux users are
perhaps the most particular about not being owned. I own quite a few
tablets and got sick of all of this DRM. When I started buying Linux
books to learn Linux I ran into O'Reilly and their DRM free ebooks. Every
tech book I have bought except for a CCNA book has been from them. I just
rsync the whole collection from my server to any one of my computers. I
love the freedom.

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno]

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with Theora
+ ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested Theora
+ ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any restricted
software would work. I re-purchase my previously online purchased music
as CDs and recoded that in ogg. Just current stuff I listen to, plus I
had a fair quantity of existing CDs before I started buying music online.
I keep a pretty clean Linux install these days. The only thing I add is
flash at this point and hopefully WebM removes the need for Flash soon.
Much of YouTube is WebM now. Still not quite there but I would like to
have just a base install with little to nothing patent encumbered. I'm
very close.

You are smarter than a lot of these guys give you credit for.

[Marek Novotny]

Post by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Post by Marek Novotny

Post by andrew

Post by Marek Novotny
I also tend to compress down to about 1.3 - 2 GBs per movie with
Theora + ogg.

I admire you for your choice of codecs but are you not tempted by
something like x264 and aac?
Andrew

No, not really. In fact I used to use that and went back and tested
Theora + ogg specifically so a base install of Linux without any
restricted software would work. I re-purchase my previously online
purchased music as CDs and recoded that in ogg. Just current stuff I
listen to, plus I had a fair quantity of existing CDs before I started
buying music online.
I keep a pretty clean Linux install these days. The only thing I add is
flash at this point and hopefully WebM removes the need for Flash soon.
Much of YouTube is WebM now. Still not quite there but I would like to
have just a base install with little to nothing patent encumbered. I'm
very close.

You are smarter than a lot of these guys give you credit for.

Still a white belt in the Linux dojo. But being in the dojo is its own
reward regardless of belts.