On 1 Mar 2006 06:22:26 -0800, "SpaceGirl"
Post by SpaceGirlPost by Onideus Mad Hatter...what does personal taste have to do with design experience, you
fucking fruitloop, prepub. Personal taste is what philistine
fucktards like you use to grade the artistic merit of one's
efforts...where as REAL ARTISTS can judge a piece on VERY SPECIFIC
design points ranging from color scheme to form, flow, function,
navigation, content, etc, etc, etc.
Harsh!
Well, that's my style...I have no qualms about holding back online, in
a pure text environment such as this you'd have to be pretty weak in
character to actually let something bother you...especially from
someone you don't really know. That's why it's VERY rare that I ever
verbally attack someone in the real world...because it has an absolute
effect on the person that can't just be passed off as "words on a
screen".
Post by SpaceGirlNot how I'd have put it lol. But, frighteningly, I agree...
Post by Onideus Mad HatterNow then, Downs, if you wanna try and actually CRITIQUE my work, by
I do think his site is okay for a specific market. Kiddies or some sort
of dumbed-down DVD user interface.
I wonder if that's how you would have described it if it didn't have
those video preview thumbnails. In some respects I guess choosing to
use them in a way automatically stereotyped my site...but DVD
interfaces are often highly artistic, very professional looking and,
well, it IS a production company after all...so I think I'll take that
as a compliment, rather than as a critique.
Post by SpaceGirlI really dont like the colours.
COLOR...singular, it's a monochromatic color scheme. I like blue and
on average around 75% of people on the planet tend to list blue as
their favorite color, so it's a good choice. Would the site be better
with a more advanced color scheme...I think so and probably at some
point I'll tweak it a bit, but when I make a site I like to let it sit
for at least a year before I start making any sort of radical new
design changes. You wanna see what it used to look like?
Loading Image...Post by SpaceGirlThey look too vivid on my LCD display,
...usually I would think vivid was a good thing...maybe not so much if
there was a high degree of text content, but there isn't.
Post by SpaceGirland clash on my CRT display.
...uh, what do they clash with?
Post by SpaceGirlNone of it looks very sharp.
What resolution are you using? It'll look best/sharpest on a CRT
display at 1024x768.
Post by SpaceGirlIt feels very much like a DVD menu -- one of the
free run-of-the-mill ones you get free with cheap DVD menu building
software.
Never used such software, but like I told that other guy, what you
feel is subjective, it's not an objective critique. You could say
it's like a DVD menu as far as the video previews...but ultimately
that's about as far as you could take it, unless you can list another
SPECIFIC aspect as to why it would be reminiscent of that particular
design...which for the most part isn't all that particular outside of
the thumbnail video previews and Easter egg esque animation points
(like the frog).
Post by SpaceGirlI'm unsure what market or user group your site is targeted
at,
None, actually. I made a site that *I* wanted, just like when I make
a site for a client I make it the way that *THEY* want it. As it says
in my .sig, I'm an artist, not a professional. So I don't really put
a lot of thought into so much corporate nonsense like demographics,
test groups, ratings, etc. I truly believe that most of that is
entirely bullshit and I could think of more than a dozen examples just
off the top of my head to confirm it.
Post by SpaceGirlas the design doesn't feel very "online" at all. As a menu design,
it's not very usable - the navigation sucks, but it does feel very
"solid".
Again, subjective. When you say "the navigation sucks" what are you
referring to EXACTLY? Do you mean like on sub sections where there is
only one arrow that takes you forward which doesn't give the user the
ability to transverse the site dynamically? Cause I did that on
purpose. I wanted people to actually look THROUGH my site, and given
that purpose the navigation is 90% effective...to be 100% effective
I'd have to do away with the nav section list altogether.
Post by SpaceGirlA lot of fancy designs feel like they make keel over and die
under the weight of scripts they run, and yours doesn't.
Mostly due to using Flash and extremely advanced image encoding
methodology. JavaScript animation, like the kind I use on this site:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/wwcc/histology-1/
Is much more "clunky" as JavaScript uses like 50% more processing
power and as such is much more likely to cause problems on the client
side, especially if they're using outdated box brand peecee's that
they bought 8 years ago at Staples.
Post by SpaceGirlMaybe it'd work for a kiddies site (the presumed target?).
Mostly it's just eye candy. Part of the reason I went with a
monochromatic color scheme was so that you would focus more on the
individual pieces, like the videos and the graphic design examples.
Post by SpaceGirlThe composition is very basic, but again that's not always a problem.
I try not to over do it if at all possible.
Post by SpaceGirlPost by Onideus Mad Hatterall means, have at it, but don't fucking kid yourself into thinking
your current reaching little attempts at online verbal retribution are
anything other than confused, poser based, shit smears from someone
who probably couldn't tell the difference between a tetradic and a
split complimentary color scheme.
Clearly you dont understand them either or you'd realise there is no
real "difference",<snip>
You know if you take a class on film studies one of the very first
things you're taught (assuming you're taking it from someone who isn't
an idiot) is that there *IS* a real difference. They make a big point
of accurately describing the difference between a philistine who just
says a movie "sucks" or is "great" to a person who can accurately and
precisely judge a work on its technical merits and flaws...whether
they be in the editing process, the filming process, the acting, the
directing, etc, etc.
Now that's not to say that your work isn't going to be judged
subjectively, it is...most people in the world aren't even remotely
close to being able to truly dissect a design and look at its
fundamental pieces and analyze their use. This is where popular
culture plays an important part, like carrying on about how Chronicles
of Narnia was a "religious" movie...even though it didn't really have
fuck all to do with religion no matter how you wanna try and
subjectify it.
However, this is a DESIGN froup and as such when I come here and
present work, I'm not looking for SUBJECTIVE views, I'm looking for
OBJECTIVE views. If I wanted the former I could pretty much choose
any other froup on teh grid.
Subjectivity isn't all that important to me though. I believe that no
matter what you do there will always be someone who loves it, someone
who hates it and someone who just doesn't give a fuck. I cater to the
people who loves my work...which are the people who love what I love.
I have no reason nor want to try and make something I don't like that
other people will...unless they're paying me and even then sometimes I
won't.
Like this for example:
http://www.tripoweraussies.com/
Personally, I REALLY don't like that design. I mean, there is not a
single aspect of it that I enjoy subjectively...but, it's what the
customer wanted and he paid me so that's what he got. More and more
though I try and stay true to "my" art, meaning that if my clients
subjective views aren't in line with my own, I tend to not take the
job. For one because I won't enjoy it, also because I don't think it
accurately reflects who I am as an artist and because I won't enjoy
making it, it won't turn out as well as it could if it was being done
by another artist who was more in line with the clients subjective
views.
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Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
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"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."
"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )