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202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-03-22 02:11:01 UTC
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202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison

Remember that last Hollows book? Me neither :-) Had something to
do with a banshee and Rachel being morose..

Anyway, this is the book the last one *should* have been, and if
you haven't read _White Witch, Black Curse, I advise you to just
skip it. It's almost as though Ms Harrison was reading the reviews
for _White Witch, Black Curse_ and responding here by fixing the
problems with that book. (I know that can't have been the case
though, this book would have already been in the pipeline by the
time WWBC saw print). She even made me start to like Pierce in
this one!

SOME GENERAL SPOILERS FOLLOW

While WWBC was treading water with a plotline that had nothing to
do with anything, we actually get a *lot* of forward movement this
time: Rachel's relationship with Al is explored rather than happening
off-screen, the Jenks/Matalina issue is finally brought to a head,
Rachel's shunning is tackled, Rachel's relationship with Trent is
advanced, as is hers with Nick.

We even get some long missing information about when "The Turn"
took place (about 1968/69 based on what we see), what year it is
in Rachel's world (the same as in ours) and in what fun way lady
witches' intimate anatomy differs from humans'.

This book is as long as the last one, but whereas that one felt
like a chore to wade through, I was enjoying every chapter in this
one.

Of course as you see, this is a 4 star rather than 5 star review,
as I did have a few issues with the book, though they did not affect
my overall enjoyment:

1) Didn't Ivy used to be a major character in this series? Even
though she was there throughout most of the book, it was almost as
though she were a shadow who contributed nothing. She was useless
in the grocery store fight and then wussed out very inexplicably
at the "give Jenks will to live" moment. I can't believe Harrison
let Pierce share that with Rachel rather than having Ivy go. And
then Ivy gets totally left out of the climax.. (And pretty bad
news for folks on Team Rachel+Ivy this time round -- I can't believe
all that "blood balance" and will they won't they stuff had so much
to do with the first books and has totally gone by the wayside now).

2) Rachel's grand plan for the end of the book seemed.. well, I
admit I couldn't really undertand the logic behind it all. Maybe
it made sense somehow, but there were certainly a lot of moving
parts, and exactly how Trent was manipulated seems rather tenuous.

3) The whole shunning/coven thing is still very sketchy. I don't
think it was really thought out in advance, and it was very unclear
if the coven was a witch only body operating outside the law, or a
body with official sanction (as the climax would imply). At any
rate, since the nation is still the US I would expect the coven to
have to at least produce the *appearance* of due process before
kidnapping US citizens..

These are quibbles though, and I'm glad to have Rachel back on her
feet!
h***@gmail.com
2020-03-25 03:56:21 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison
3) The whole shunning/coven thing is still very sketchy. I don't
think it was really thought out in advance, and it was very unclear
if the coven was a witch only body operating outside the law, or a
body with official sanction (as the climax would imply). At any
rate, since the nation is still the US I would expect the coven to
have to at least produce the *appearance* of due process before
kidnapping US citizens..
Shunning was a traditional thing in some societies.
The entire series was largely about the idea that the magical powered people were pretty contemptuous of the human law (apart from not wanting to stir the normals up enough that they ended up with a massive fight where number count)
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
These are quibbles though, and I'm glad to have Rachel back on her
feet!
D B Davis
2020-05-04 13:24:59 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison
3) The whole shunning/coven thing is still very sketchy. I don't
think it was really thought out in advance, and it was very unclear
if the coven was a witch only body operating outside the law, or a
body with official sanction (as the climax would imply). At any
rate, since the nation is still the US I would expect the coven to
have to at least produce the *appearance* of due process before
kidnapping US citizens..
Shunning was a traditional thing in some societies.
The entire series was largely about the idea that the magical powered
people were pretty contemptuous of the human law (apart from not wanting
to stir the normals up enough that they ended up with a massive fight
where number count)
"Shunning," "normal," "contemptuous," and "appearances" are all such
stimulating subjects that they make it hard to choose. ... OK. The first
is first so allow me some thoughts on the first.
There's "democratic" shunning whereby group members follow their own
conscious to optionally ignore an offensive person on an individual
basis. Then there's the "targeted" variety of shunning directed by a
psychopath who tries to turn group members against an innocent
individual. A psychologist can probably think of more examples.
It's interesting how prose can convey one type of shun versus the
other. For a "democratic" shun the narrative no doubt focuses on the
transgressions of the person who is shunned. But, for a "targeted" shun
it focuses on the psychopath.



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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-05-04 13:55:36 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison
3) The whole shunning/coven thing is still very sketchy. I don't
think it was really thought out in advance, and it was very unclear
if the coven was a witch only body operating outside the law, or a
body with official sanction (as the climax would imply). At any
rate, since the nation is still the US I would expect the coven to
have to at least produce the *appearance* of due process before
kidnapping US citizens..
Shunning was a traditional thing in some societies.
The entire series was largely about the idea that the magical powered
people were pretty contemptuous of the human law (apart from not wanting
to stir the normals up enough that they ended up with a massive fight
where number count)
"Shunning," "normal," "contemptuous," and "appearances" are all such
stimulating subjects that they make it hard to choose. ... OK. The first
is first so allow me some thoughts on the first.
There's "democratic" shunning whereby group members follow their own
conscious to optionally ignore an offensive person on an individual
basis. Then there's the "targeted" variety of shunning directed by a
psychopath who tries to turn group members against an innocent
individual. A psychologist can probably think of more examples.
It's interesting how prose can convey one type of shun versus the
other. For a "democratic" shun the narrative no doubt focuses on the
transgressions of the person who is shunned. But, for a "targeted" shun
it focuses on the psychopath.
Well, whatever the basis, it sould have been established before coming
into play. Someone (her mother?) should have warned Rachel "Keep on this
path and you're going to get shunned". That way we would know in advance
that it was a thing.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Lynn McGuire
2020-05-04 22:17:23 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
202 Black Magic Sanction (Rachel Morgan, Book 8) by Kim Harrison
Remember that last Hollows book? Me neither :-) Had something to
do with a banshee and Rachel being morose..
Anyway, this is the book the last one *should* have been, and if
you haven't read _White Witch, Black Curse, I advise you to just
skip it. It's almost as though Ms Harrison was reading the reviews
for _White Witch, Black Curse_ and responding here by fixing the
problems with that book. (I know that can't have been the case
though, this book would have already been in the pipeline by the
time WWBC saw print). She even made me start to like Pierce in
this one!
SOME GENERAL SPOILERS FOLLOW
While WWBC was treading water with a plotline that had nothing to
do with anything, we actually get a *lot* of forward movement this
time: Rachel's relationship with Al is explored rather than happening
off-screen, the Jenks/Matalina issue is finally brought to a head,
Rachel's shunning is tackled, Rachel's relationship with Trent is
advanced, as is hers with Nick.
We even get some long missing information about when "The Turn"
took place (about 1968/69 based on what we see), what year it is
in Rachel's world (the same as in ours) and in what fun way lady
witches' intimate anatomy differs from humans'.
This book is as long as the last one, but whereas that one felt
like a chore to wade through, I was enjoying every chapter in this
one.
Of course as you see, this is a 4 star rather than 5 star review,
as I did have a few issues with the book, though they did not affect
1) Didn't Ivy used to be a major character in this series? Even
though she was there throughout most of the book, it was almost as
though she were a shadow who contributed nothing. She was useless
in the grocery store fight and then wussed out very inexplicably
at the "give Jenks will to live" moment. I can't believe Harrison
let Pierce share that with Rachel rather than having Ivy go. And
then Ivy gets totally left out of the climax.. (And pretty bad
news for folks on Team Rachel+Ivy this time round -- I can't believe
all that "blood balance" and will they won't they stuff had so much
to do with the first books and has totally gone by the wayside now).
2) Rachel's grand plan for the end of the book seemed.. well, I
admit I couldn't really undertand the logic behind it all. Maybe
it made sense somehow, but there were certainly a lot of moving
parts, and exactly how Trent was manipulated seems rather tenuous.
3) The whole shunning/coven thing is still very sketchy. I don't
think it was really thought out in advance, and it was very unclear
if the coven was a witch only body operating outside the law, or a
body with official sanction (as the climax would imply). At any
rate, since the nation is still the US I would expect the coven to
have to at least produce the *appearance* of due process before
kidnapping US citizens..
These are quibbles though, and I'm glad to have Rachel back on her
feet!
There is a new Hollows book coming on June 16:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Demon-Hollows-Kim-Harrison/dp/0593101413/

Lynn

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