Post by donald willisPost by InsideSpartaPost by donald willisPost by InsideSpartaPost by donald willisPost by BOZPost by donald willisIsn't it curious that witness James Jarman appears in a frame blow-up of
the Hughes film, on page 207 of Groden's "The Killing of a President", but
not in a frame blow-up of the Hughes, on page 272 of Trask's "Pictures of
the Pain"? And the latter image is clearer than the former.... Now you
see him, now you don't. And you see him in the fuzzier picture!
dcw
WAS THAT JAMES JARMAN'S RIFLE ON THE 6TH FLOOR?
The ATF guy said it was found on a floor lower than the 6th.
So, you want to believe one person, who in all likelihood got his floors mixed up, and choose to ignore the dozens of other individuals that witnessed the rifle being found on the 6th floor, and also ignore the film footage taken by Tom Alyea of the rifle being recovered on the 6th floor? Classic case of someone not seeing the forest because there's a tree in the way.
12:37 DPD radio transmission saying a witness saw the shots come from the
"second window from the end". That window was NOT open on the 6th, was on
the 5th.
Several witnesses testifying that the shooter was at a wide open
window--Robert Jackson, Howard Brennan (!), Ronald Fischer, Robert
Edwards. Again, not the "sniper's nest" window; could be a window on the
5th floor below.
Reports the weekend of 11/22/63 from DPD Dets. Montgomery and partner,
stationed on the 6th floor circa 1:10 to 2:30. Neither heard anyone
shouting about the finding of a rifle, though one of them heard a DPD
vehicle radio from 6 floors below reporting Tippit's shooting--about the
same time the rifle was found. Apparently, on another floor!
The 5th-floor witnesses, all missing from the wide-angle photo (p67) in
the Warren Report. Amazing!
And isn't it possible that some of those witnesses who thought "sixth
floor" were themselves mixed up?
And here's where your tactics completely fall apart. You ignore all of the
evidence, testimony, and even news footage that proves the rifle was found
on the 6th floor, and you base it on whether or not the eyewitnesses
outside the TSBD building could either remember or took notice of whether
or not the window at the SE corner of the 6th floor was completely open or
not. And, no, it's not possible that ALL of the dozens of witnesses that
were on-hand in the TSBD building when the rifle was discovered were
"themselves mixed up" about which floor they were on. You're quite simply
being obtuse with regards to the facts of this case.
As I said, Det. Montgomery heard NOTHING on the 6th floor at the time that
the rifle was being found. And Patrolman Haygood--who (perhaps
feloniously) replaced Patrolman Hill at the hearings--is one of your 6th
floor witnesses to shells there, as per his testimony. But for the HSCA
he recalled seeing boxes and chicken, but NOT SHELLS, on the 6th floor!
How could he forget that most important piece of evidence and remember
much less important pieces???
You're cherry picking again, and ignoring all of the others, and the Tom
Alyea news footage, that shows the rifle was found on the 6th floor.
There's a forest of evidence out there, stop staring at a small cluster of
trees.
Post by donald willisPost by InsideSpartaPost by donald willisPost by InsideSpartaPost by donald willisDID JARMAN SHOOT TIPPIT?
Oswald didn't.
Just stop your foolishness already. Seven eyewitnesses identified Oswald
as either being the gunman that killed Tippit or was the individual
fleeing the scene with a gun in his hand. The gun that fired the shells
that were found at the scene of the shooting, and were witnessed to have
been tossed to the ground by Oswald, was in Oswald's possession when
arrested at the Texas Theater, and it was proven to have been purchased by
Oswald under the known assumed name (A. Hidell) that Oswald used, and that
he was carrying a fake Selective Service card under when arrested. Oswald
also pulled that same gun on arresting officers in the Texas Theater and
squeezed the trigger. Not only is Oswald's guilt in the Tippit murder a
slam dunk case, had Oswald lived, it would have been the case that got him
executed by the State of Texas. You're more than welcome to make
statements that Oswald was innocent in the Tippit shooting, but you better
have some credible evidence to back it up, (and I'm not talking about
nitpicking and cherry picking witness testimony, which seems to be all you
have), otherwise you'll continue to look foolish on this site.
I have back-and-forthed with Bud on alt.conspiracy.jfk and here on the
Tippit shells, etc. Check those exchanges....
Why is it you CT people can't seem to defend your positions when you get
backed into a corner with the facts, and instead tell others to go find
the evidence that backs your opinion somewhere else? You want to come on
THIS site and make a claim that Oswald didn't shoot Tippit, yet you're too
lazy to back your position up with evidence (credible or not).
I have, and if I had all the time in the world, as you seem to, I could
respond, at length, to every challenge.
Why bother
Post by InsideSpartato come to this site at all? The shells are only one piece of the evidence
against Oswald. There's also the seven eyewitnesses that identified him
Okay. It took one of those witnesses, the cab driver Scoggins, some 24
hours to bring himself to ID Oswald, after traveling with the cops in
search of the actual perp, whom he apparently did not recognize in Oswald.
In other words, he somehow missed all 3 (THREE) lineups on Friday.
Perhaps he was still looking for the actual shooter....
Scoggins actually traveled around with witness Ted Callaway, who he
mistook for a police officer. They both testified that they jumped into
Scoggins' cab, and drove around looking for him. Callaway, in his WC
testimony, spoke about the brief search....
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I picked the gun up and laid it on the hood of the squad
car, and then someone put it in the front seat of the squad car. Then
after I helped load Officer Tippit in the ambulance, I got the gun out of
the car and told this cabdriver, I said, "You saw the guy didn't you?" He
said, yes.
I said, "If he is going up Jefferson, he can't be very far. Let's see if
we can find him." So I went with Scoggins in the taxicab, went up to 10th,
Crawford, from Crawford up to Jefferson, and down Jefferson to Beckley.
And we turned on Beckley. If we had kept going up Jefferson, we
probably--there is a good chance we would have seen him, because he was
headed right towards the Texas Theatre. But then we circled around several
blocks, and ended up coming back to where it happened.
Scoggins positively identified Oswald in the line-up on 11/23/63, and
confirmed that identification under oath in his WC testimony. You ignore
that, and instead try to make hay regarding his not attending a line up
until the next day.
Post by donald willisWitness Markham has said, in an interview, that she last saw a gunman
heading down the alley off Patton; the cops said the guy went down
Jefferson, off Patton.
Whether he reached Jefferson by cutting through the alley, or went all the
way to the corner of Patton and Jefferson is neither hear nor there. We
know he reached Jefferson. Sam Guinyard also testified that Oswald went
down the alley off of Patton (which was a westward direction, towards the
Texaco station and the Texas Theater).
Post by donald willisWitness Jimmy Burt agreed with her.
Witnesses Virginia & Barbara Davis called the police dispatcher a minute
or two later than the other civilian caller to dispatch, and Virginia
testified (6 or 7 times) that they called the cops first, then saw the
gunman. Taken together, those two facts suggest that the sisters-in-law
saw only someone with a gun chasing the actual shooter.
Barbara Davis testified that the call was made AFTER she saw Oswald run
across the front lawn, emptying his pistol. Since, as you indicated, the
call from the Davis household was made 1 minute later than the civilian
radio dispatch, clearly Virginia Davis' testimony is in error. You choose
to accept Virginia's testimony, even though it has no corroboration with
the facts, unlike Barbara's testimony. More cherry picking on your part.
Post by donald willisWitness Ted Callaway radioed the police about 1:20, but said nothing then
about seeing the perp or indicating in which direction he left the area.
So what? Callaway was reporting an officer down, and was abruptly told to
stay off of the airwaves.
Post by donald willis,
Post by InsideSpartahis actions with regards to dumping his jacket behind the Texaco Station
on Jefferson Street between the site of the shooting and the Texas
Theater
Witness Warren Reynolds told the cops on 11/22/63 that the suspect he saw
was last headed in a direction OPPOSITE the Texaco parking lot. For the
Commission, he, like Haygood, did not tell the truth, and said he last saw
the guy headed towards the lot.
Reynolds indicated in his FBI interview that the suspect headed WEST on
Jefferson. He even told the FBI that he saw Oswald duck behind the Texaco
Station, which was west of Patton. His statement was corroborated by the
woman at the Texaco Station that saw the fleeing suspect duck behind the
building (where Oswald's jacket was later found). Here's Reynolds' WC
testimony as to which direction Oswald went on Jefferson....
Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us what you saw; will you, please?
Mr.REYNOLDS. OK; our office is up high where I can have a pretty good view
of what was going on. I heard the shots and, when I heard the shots, I
went out on this front porch which is, like I say, high, and I saw this
man coming down the street with the gun in his hand, swinging it just like
he was running. He turned the corner of Patton and Jefferson, going west,
and put the gun in his pants and took off, walking.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you able to identify this man in your own mind?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You did identify him as Lee Harvey Oswald in your own mind?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had no question about it?
Mr.REYNOLDS. No.
So, you want to ignore his FBI interview and sworn testimony, and go with
what a DPD wrote down (which could very well have been in error) and try
and claim the perpetrator went east on Jefferson? Or, are you grasping at
straws to try and invalidate Reynolds testimony because someone clearly
mistook east and west in the excitement of the situation? Do you have any
corroborating evidence of perpetrator heading east?
Post by donald willisThere's your fine witnesses!
Where are your witnesses? Acquilla Clemmons, perhaps?