Shakesperian insult kit

Post by Dingbat
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Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Madhu

2021-03-23 04:37:07 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

I've come across "artless" a compliment - without guile - without
scheming designs - simple and therefore endearing and acceptable in
those contexts where where there is a glut of pretend sophistication

e.g. "artless elegance"

occam

2021-03-23 07:58:15 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's sarcasm.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use 'artless' instead of
'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or 'unpretentious'.

'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Snidely

2021-04-15 18:12:22 UTC

occam is guilty of <***@mid.individual.net> as of 3/23/2021
12:58:15 AM

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's sarcasm.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use 'artless' instead of
'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or 'unpretentious'.

I've heard it applied more often to persons, usually ingenues.
"Simple" might not be complimentary in that context.

Post by occam
'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Not in my experience.

/dps

--
Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?

Tony Cooper

2021-04-15 18:44:17 UTC

Post by Snidely
12:58:15 AM

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's sarcasm.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use 'artless' instead of
'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or 'unpretentious'.

I've heard it applied more often to persons, usually ingenues.
"Simple" might not be complimentary in that context.

Post by occam
'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Not in my experience.

Quite the opposite, in my view. To be "artless" is to be without
guile or deception.

Nothing direct to do with simplicity or pretentiousness. An artless
person may be unpretentious, or even simple (using any definition of
simple), but an artless person is not either just because they are
artless in what they say.

Post by Snidely
/dps

--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

occam

2021-04-16 17:33:40 UTC

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Snidely
12:58:15 AM

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's sarcasm.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use 'artless' instead of
'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or 'unpretentious'.

I've heard it applied more often to persons, usually ingenues.
"Simple" might not be complimentary in that context.

Post by occam
'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Not in my experience.

Quite the opposite, in my view. To be "artless" is to be without
guile or deception.

Ahem. 'Guileless' (without guile) is also an insult in my vocabulary.
Someone who is simple-minded or even naive.

Post by Tony Cooper
Nothing direct to do with simplicity or pretentiousness. An artless
person may be unpretentious, or even simple (using any definition of
simple), but an artless person is not either just because they are
artless in what they say.

Post by Snidely
/dps

Paul Wolff

2021-04-15 19:27:25 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html
Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's
still
true.

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's sarcasm.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use 'artless' instead of
'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or 'unpretentious'.

I've heard it applied more often to persons, usually ingenues. "Simple"
might not be complimentary in that context.

Post by occam
'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Not in my experience.

I'd say it implies naive in a pat-on-the-back sort of way. That seems to
mean I agree with Madhu.

--
Paul

CDB

2021-04-16 17:20:46 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Why is artless an insult? It seems to mean the quality of a

Post by Snidely

Post by Dingbat
simpleton. Artful, OTOH, would be the quality of a deceiver.

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

I've come across "artless" a compliment - without guile -
without scheming designs - simple and therefore endearing and
acceptable in those contexts where where there is a glut of
pretend sophistication
e.g. "artless elegance"

Again, without context, one man's compliment can be another's
sarcasm. I'm struggling to understand why anyone would use
'artless' instead of 'simple' (e.g. 'simple elegance') or
'unpretentious'.

I've heard it applied more often to persons, usually ingenues.
"Simple" might not be complimentary in that context.

Post by occam
'Artless' has, without a doubt, negative connotations.

Not in my experience.

But maybe in Shakespeare's.

When Tybalt mocks Benvolio, as he tries to break up a fight between
underlings, with "What, art thou drawn among these heartless hinds?",
the editors took their choice of pun; but I wonder now if "heartless"
should have been "artless". A one-letter difference either way.

Act 1, Scene 1, R&J.

Dingbat

2021-03-23 04:41:10 UTC

I think art meant skill, approximately. In some contexts that's still true.

So, it meant INCOMPETENT?

Arindam Banerjee

2021-03-23 02:46:56 UTC

In certain circles, arty would be more insulting than either of the above.

bozo de niro

2021-03-30 21:06:01 UTC

You forgot to mention the providence of "Artful Dodger" — oh wait here it is! — in the wonderful feature associated with its instant "Sidebar" link under Bing and Microsoft Edge.

"Jack Dawkins, better known as the Artful Dodger, is a character in Charles Dickens' 1838 novel Oliver Twist. The Dodger is a pickpocket, so called for his skill and cunning in that occupation. He is the leader of the gang of child criminals, trained by the elderly Fagin."

Thank you, and ur Welcome.

occam

2021-04-01 16:23:45 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

The interesting thing about those three columns of words is that there
are hardly any swear words as we understand them today e.g. sexual or
scatological in origin. No cunt, fuck, shit or penis in sight.

Worth making a note.

Peter T. Daniels

2021-04-01 16:40:22 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?

(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

occam

2021-04-05 12:34:56 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.

"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.

At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.

<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>

I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

Peter T. Daniels

2021-04-05 14:08:38 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio Hour"
series.

Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after staying
with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go back to the
beginning to try to find why she had both "Germanic" and "Proto-
Germanic" on the relevant slide. There's no explanation, and no
suggestion of why the PGmc -n- may have disappeared in German(?)
or other Gmc languages other than English and the North Germanic
languages. So it doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio
speech (which omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples.
It still seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said to
Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've infuriated the
director.)

She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's the
one that "proves" he was gay) but I don't find it:

A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,
Which steals men’s eyes and women’s souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created,
Till nature as she wrought thee fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she pricked thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love’s use their treasure.

"acquainted"???

Chrysi Cat

2021-04-05 21:52:59 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio Hour"
series.
Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after staying
with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go back to the
beginning to try to find why she had both "Germanic" and "Proto-
Germanic" on the relevant slide. There's no explanation, and no
suggestion of why the PGmc -n- may have disappeared in German(?)
or other Gmc languages other than English and the North Germanic
languages. So it doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio
speech (which omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples.
It still seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said to
Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've infuriated the
director.)
She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's the
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,

In most modern dialects, that last word is a homophone of "cunt
rolling". Would that have been the case c. 1590?

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Which steals men’s eyes and women’s souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created,
Till nature as she wrought thee fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she pricked thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love’s use their treasure.
"acquainted"???

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-04-06 08:38:10 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio Hour"
series.
Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after staying
with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go back to the
beginning to try to find why she had both "Germanic" and "Proto-
Germanic" on the relevant slide. There's no explanation, and no
suggestion of why the PGmc -n- may have disappeared in German(?)
or other Gmc languages other than English and the North Germanic
languages. So it doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio
speech (which omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples.
It still seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said to
Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've infuriated the
director.)
She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's the
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,

In most modern dialects, that last word is a homophone of "cunt rolling".

Not in RP it isn't, and I think it isn't in other forms of British
English, so [kənt] sounds clearly different from [kʌnt] even if we
ignore the difference in stress. However, [ʌ] and [ə] seem to have
fallen together in American English -- hence the bizarre convention of
using "uh" to represent [ə].

Would that have been the case c. 1590?

I don't know, but if it were it would fall foul of the rule that a word
can't rhyme with itself.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Peter T. Daniels

2021-04-06 14:25:13 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio Hour"
series.
Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after staying
with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go back to the
beginning to try to find why she had both "Germanic" and "Proto-
Germanic" on the relevant slide. There's no explanation, and no
suggestion of why the PGmc -n- may have disappeared in German(?)
or other Gmc languages other than English and the North Germanic
languages. So it doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio
speech (which omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples.
It still seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said to
Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've infuriated the
director.)
She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's the
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,

In most modern dialects, that last word is a homophone of "cunt rolling".

That rather depends on what you mean by [ʌ] and [ə]. Clearly you're not
referring to their values as shown in the IPA chart (and neither are
Americanists). [ʌ] is used to indicate a stressed [ə]. [ə] is an "indistinct"
reduced vowel, with no discernible quality.

Would that have been the case c. 1590?

I don't know, but if it were it would fall foul of the rule that a word
can't rhyme with itself.

Eh? "controlling" and "cunt rolling" are the same word?

(The incidental mention of Sonnet 20 was when she was talking
about "queynte," which she claims was a spelling of "cunt" and
was also a form of the word that has barely survived as "ken,"
meaning 'knowledge' -- as in "acquaint.")

CDB

2021-04-12 13:03:05 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

The interesting thing about those three columns of words is that there

Post by occam
are hardly any swear words as we understand them today
e.g. sexual or scatological in origin. No cunt, fuck,
shit or penis in sight. Worth making a note.

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what
would happen if he allowed certain words to be uttered in
public. But have you forgotten Hamlet's "these be country
matters" while lying in Ophelia's lap? Or Malvolio, who
ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting says "By my
life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her
U's and her T's and thus makes she her great P's"? (One
commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was
"cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It
discusses the word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes
'cut' as the (English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>

I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio
Hour" series.
Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after
staying with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go
back to the beginning to try to find why she had both
"Germanic" and "Proto- Germanic" on the relevant slide.
There's no explanation, and no suggestion of why the PGmc -n-
may have disappeared in German(?) or other Gmc languages
other than English and the North Germanic languages. So it
doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio speech (which
omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples. It still
seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said
to Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've
infuriated the director.)
She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted Hast thou, the
master-mistress of my passion; A woman’s gentle heart, but
not acquainted With shifting change as is false women’s
fashion; An eye more bright than theirs, less false in
rolling, Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth; A man in
hue, all hues in his controlling,

In most modern dialects, that last word is a homophone of "cunt rolling".

Not in RP it isn't, and I think it isn't in other forms of
British English, so [kənt] sounds clearly different from [kʌnt]
even if we ignore the difference in stress. However, [ʌ] and [ə]
seem to have fallen together in American English -- hence the
bizarre convention of using "uh" to represent [ə].

That rather depends on what you mean by [ʌ] and [ə]. Clearly you're
not referring to their values as shown in the IPA chart (and
neither are Americanists). [ʌ] is used to indicate a stressed [ə].
[ə] is an "indistinct" reduced vowel, with no discernible quality.

Would that have been the case c. 1590?

I don't know, but if it were it would fall foul of the rule that
a word can't rhyme with itself.

Eh? "controlling" and "cunt rolling" are the same word?

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Which steals men’s eyes and women’s souls amazeth. And for a
woman wert thou first created, Till nature as she wrought
thee fell a-doting, And by addition me of thee defeated By
adding one thing to my purpose nothing. But since she pricked
thee out for women's pleasure, Mine be thy love and thy
love’s use their treasure.
"acquainted"???

(The incidental mention of Sonnet 20 was when she was talking about
"queynte," which she claims was a spelling of "cunt" and was also a
form of the word that has barely survived as "ken," meaning
'knowledge' -- as in "acquaint.")

This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm unable
to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

He even rhymes the two meanings in "The Miller's Tale": "clever" in one
line, "the family jewel" in the next.

Now, sire, and eft, sire, so bifel the cas,
That on a day this hende Nicholas
165 Fil with this yonge wyf to rage and pleye,
Whil that her housbonde was at Oseneye,

*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte;
And prively he caughte hire by the queynte,*

And seyde, "Ywis, but if ich have my wille,
170 For deerne love of thee, lemman, I spille."

"I spille" was 'I am slain".

http://www.librarius.com/canttran/milltale/milltale163-198.htm

Looking the word up, I find it could mean "ornament".

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-04-12 13:38:38 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm unable
to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

Post by CDB
And seyde, "Ywis, but if ich have my wille,
170 For deerne love of thee, lemman, I spille."
"I spille" was 'I am slain".
http://www.librarius.com/canttran/milltale/milltale163-198.htm
Looking the word up, I find it could mean "ornament".

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

CDB

2021-04-14 12:40:00 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm
unable to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of
knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.

What?

[trolling for a mercyfuck]

[Nicholas, not me]

Tony Cooper

2021-04-14 13:02:05 UTC

[ ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm
unable to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of
knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

Trump's tweets were often full of misspelled words.

--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

Peter Moylan

2021-04-14 12:08:48 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm
unable to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of
knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

I thought at first it was a reference to Tough Guy, a former visitor to
AUE who has mercifully not left us. It wasn't until a few minutes ago
that it finally clicked that it was instead an American politician whose
name and habits we don't like to mention.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

CDB

2021-04-14 15:23:02 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm
unable to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of
knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

"clever" in one line, "the family jewel" in the next.
Now, sire, and eft, sire, so bifel the cas, That on a day this
hende Nicholas 165 Fil with this yonge wyf to rage and
pleye, Whil that her housbonde was at Oseneye,
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought about it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of
my rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

I thought at first it was a reference to Tough Guy, a former visitor
to AUE who has mercifully not left us. It wasn't until a few minutes
ago that it finally clicked that it was instead an American
politician whose name and habits we don't like to mention.

Ah. Whew. I think I know who you mean -- strolled about in winter
wearing only a jockstrap, something like that? (I usually give the A.p.
a derisive nickname; the biter bit.)

Much thanks.

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2021-04-14 13:32:27 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm unable to
evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years

Jerry Friedman

2021-04-14 14:35:10 UTC

...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

--
Jerry Friedman

Quinn C

2021-04-14 16:24:04 UTC

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.

I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

--
Novels and romances ... when habitually indulged in, exert a
disastrous influence on the nervous system, sufficient to explain
that frequency of hysteria and nervous disease which we find
among the highest classes. -- E.J. Tilt

Rich Ulrich

2021-04-14 17:27:02 UTC

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:24:04 -0400, Quinn C

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Stephen Colbert has avoided speaking the name. His citations
on screen are credited to T****.

On Monday, he invited viewers to submit alternatives. Last
night, he reported that there had already been over 9000
suggestions. He went on to use a handful of them, including
"Old Yeller".

--
Rich Ulrich

Sam Plusnet

2021-04-14 19:01:06 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:24:04 -0400, Quinn C

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Stephen Colbert has avoided speaking the name. His citations
on screen are credited to T****.
On Monday, he invited viewers to submit alternatives. Last
night, he reported that there had already been over 9000
suggestions. He went on to use a handful of them, including
"Old Yeller".

Voldermort?

--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK

phil

2021-04-14 20:19:12 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:24:04 -0400, Quinn C

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Stephen Colbert has avoided speaking the name. His citations
on screen are credited to T****.
On Monday, he invited viewers to submit alternatives. Last
night, he reported that there had already been over 9000
suggestions. He went on to use a handful of them, including
"Old Yeller".

Voldermort?

aka the Orange Lord? Lord seems a bit too deferential though.

Chrysi Cat

2021-04-15 04:31:14 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:24:04 -0400, Quinn C

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Stephen Colbert has avoided speaking the name. His citations
on screen are credited to T****.
On Monday, he invited viewers to submit alternatives. Last
night, he reported that there had already been over 9000
suggestions. He went on to use a handful of them, including
"Old Yeller".

Voldermort?

Was the extra "r" intentional?

If so it might make some sense.

If you meant to bring up Rowling's villain, bear in mind that an
increasing portion of the Left--the trans-friendly part--considers THAT
AUTHOR nearly as bad a person to draw positive attention to AS the
Former Guy.

I certainly somewhat regret the very small role in making her rich that
my purchases played.

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger. [she/her. Misgender and die].
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Paul Wolff

2021-04-14 19:16:57 UTC

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

That suggestion appeals to me very much, even though I'm in another
continent and really have little serious interest in the political
death-throes of another foreign ex-ruler. I briefly thought that they
(in that country) might instigate a little competition for suitable
names, but in that case I would caution them to be careful, remembering
that the British competition to name a new top-of-the-range Antarctic
survey ship was won by Boaty McBoatface.

--
Paul

phil

2021-04-14 20:19:56 UTC

Post by Paul Wolff

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Orange McTrumpface. Hmmm...

Quinn C

2021-04-14 21:49:01 UTC

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Orange McTrumpface. Hmmm...

More like Prezzy McPrezface. You included the name that shall not be
spoken!

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

phil

2021-04-14 22:29:44 UTC

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of my
rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the queynte)
by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use such
sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Orange McTrumpface. Hmmm...

More like Prezzy McPrezface. You included the name that shall not be
spoken!

Oops! Yes, shot myself in the foot there.

Kerr-Mudd,John

2021-04-15 09:05:59 UTC

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-6, Athel
...

Post by CDB
*As clerkes ben ful subtile and ful queynte; And prively he
caughte hire by the queynte,*

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I
have waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the
end of my rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once anyway)

Definitely at least once.
http://youtu.be/fPuxhDrZsOM

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the
queynte) by his successor.

A sobriquet still often being used by the kind of people who use
such sobriquets.

Soon to reach three months of sobriquiety.
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he
should be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the
custom with dead people in some cultures.

That suggestion appeals to me very much, even though I'm in another
continent and really have little serious interest in the political
death-throes of another foreign ex-ruler. I briefly thought that
they (in that country) might instigate a little competition for
suitable names, but in that case I would caution them to be
careful, remembering that the British competition to name a new
top-of-the-range Antarctic survey ship was won by Boaty McBoatface.

Orange McTrumpface. Hmmm...

More like Prezzy McPrezface. You included the name that shall not be
spoken!

Oops! Yes, shot myself in the foot there.

Hasbeen McGasbean

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Rich Ulrich

2021-04-14 21:43:28 UTC

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 20:16:57 +0100, Paul Wolff

Post by Paul Wolff

Post by Quinn C
I do observe a widespread hesitation to speak his name. Maybe he should
be assigned a new name to circumvent this taboo, as is the custom with
dead people in some cultures.

Caution? Caution!

Boaty McBoatface is an excellent name.

I had heard that they weren't using that winner, but that turns
out to be only mainly true - they used the name for one of the
auxiliary vessels.

Apparently "Boaty McBoatface" has led to many imitators,
according to the Wiki article at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaty_McBoatface

--
Rich Ulrich

Peter Moylan

2021-04-15 01:24:19 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
Caution? Caution!
Boaty McBoatface is an excellent name.
I had heard that they weren't using that winner, but that turns out
to be only mainly true - they used the name for one of the auxiliary
vessels.
Apparently "Boaty McBoatface" has led to many imitators, according to
the Wiki article at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaty_McBoatface

Sydney's Ferry McFerryface was so controversial that potential crew
members refused to work on it. It had to be renamed before being put
into service.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

CDB

2021-04-14 15:27:55 UTC

[ … ]
This claims that queynte was Chaucer's spelling of cunt. I'm
unable to evaluate the merits of the claim, for want of
knowledge.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queynte

Was the Former Guy a student of Chaucer?

I thought the idea was that he could do it on Broadway.

Post by CDB
OK, I have let that question sit, I have thought abouit it, I have
waited for someone smarter to comment, and now I am at the end of
my rope. Whooshed.
What?
[trolling for a mercyfuck]
[Nicholas, not me]

"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once
anyway) to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the
queynte) by his successor.

OK, good knockname, but IMO not derisive enough. And he will always be
a Guy to me.

Jerry Friedman

2021-04-14 16:01:44 UTC

...

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once
anyway) to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by the
queynte) by his successor.

OK, good knockname, but IMO not derisive enough. And he will always be
a Guy to me.

I think one reason it's popular is the connotation that deriding him is now a
waste of energy.

--
Jerry Friedman

CDB

2021-04-15 13:20:39 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
"The former guy" was a sobriquet applied (reported to be, once
anyway) to the orange loser (who boasted about grabbing women by
the queynte) by his successor.

OK, good knockname, but IMO not derisive enough. And he will always
be a Guy to me.

I think one reason it's popular is the connotation that deriding him
is now a waste of energy.

I'm going to wait and see. He may still command a big chunk of the
electorate.

Arindam Banerjee

2021-04-17 05:28:37 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I expect it's not going to be featured on NPR's "TED Radio Hour"
series.
Unfortunately she's a sex historian, not a linguist, so after staying
with her until the Early Modern period, I had to go back to the
beginning to try to find why she had both "Germanic" and "Proto-
Germanic" on the relevant slide. There's no explanation, and no
suggestion of why the PGmc -n- may have disappeared in German(?)
or other Gmc languages other than English and the North Germanic
languages. So it doesn't help with the claim about the Malvolio
speech (which omits N), nor do any of her pre-Shak. examples.
It still seems to show that he couldn't say "cunt" on the stage and
keep his license. (She mentions that some actor recently said to
Ophelia "these be count ... ... ry matters." Must've infuriated the
director.)
She claims there's a cunning/cunt pun in Sonnet 20 (that's the
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,

In most modern dialects, that last word is a homophone of "cunt rolling".

Would that have been the case c. 1590?

I don't know, but if it were it would fall foul of the rule that a word
can't rhyme with itself.

Eh? "controlling" and "cunt rolling" are the same word?

Ameriqueynte need not be an insult, then. Would have double meaning, one being an American acquaintance.

Adam Funk

2021-04-06 10:12:22 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Shak. was a bit more subtle than that -- and he knew what would happen
if he allowed certain words to be uttered in public. But have you
forgotten Hamlet's "these be country matters" while lying in Ophelia's
lap? Or Malvolio, who ostensibly commenting on a lady's handwriting
says "By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and
her T's and thus makes she her great P's"?
(One commentator claims that the Elizabethan obscenity was "cut.")

Here is a TED Talk delivered at the University of Glasgow.
"An honest history of an ancient and 'nasty' word". It discusses the
word's origins.
At around 3:10 into the video, the speaker also proposes 'cut' as the
(English ) precursor to cunt.
<https://www.ted.com/talks/kate_lister_an_honest_history_of_an_ancient_and_nasty_word#t-219871>
I'm glad I remembered your throw-away comment in parentheses.

I've read somewhere that Marvell's "And thy quaint honour turn to
dust" is such a pun (better in the pronunciation of the time).

Post by Peter T. Daniels
A woman’s face with nature’s own hand painted
Hast thou, the master-mistress of my passion;
A woman’s gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change as is false women’s fashion;
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue, all hues in his controlling,
Which steals men’s eyes and women’s souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created,
Till nature as she wrought thee fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she pricked thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love’s use their treasure.
"acquainted"???

--
rise to claim Saturn, ring and sky

Lewis

2021-04-02 00:38:51 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

--
Some people are like a slinky: Totally useless, but you can't help
but smile when you push them down the stairs

Graham

2021-04-02 04:26:31 UTC

Post by Lewis

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

Pepys used "cunny" in his diary.

Janet

2021-04-02 10:13:28 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

Pepys used "cunny" in his diary.

Shakespeare used "low lying countries", and "country matters",
meaning cunt. Plus the quote PTD gave.

WS plays (both tragedy and comedy) are littered with sexual double
meanings familiar to his contemporary audiences.

The use of sexual/scatological double entendre is a type of stage
humour still common in modern Britain, in pantomimes and popular
broadcast TV and radio. The Office and Bond films are full of it.

An example for AUE ; cunning linguist.

Janet.

Jerry Friedman

2021-04-02 14:03:10 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

Pepys used "cunny" in his diary.

Shakespeare used "low lying countries", and "country matters",
meaning cunt. Plus the quote PTD gave.
WS plays (both tragedy and comedy) are littered with sexual double
meanings familiar to his contemporary audiences.
The use of sexual/scatological double entendre is a type of stage
humour still common in modern Britain, in pantomimes and popular
broadcast TV and radio. The Office and Bond films are full of it.

Really? A film with a character named Pussy Galore?

An example for AUE ; cunning linguist.

Also quite well known in the U.S., often paired with "master debater".

--
Jerry Friedman

Lewis

2021-04-02 15:07:27 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman

Post by Graham

Post by Lewis

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

Pepys used "cunny" in his diary.

Shakespeare used "low lying countries", and "country matters",
meaning cunt. Plus the quote PTD gave.
WS plays (both tragedy and comedy) are littered with sexual double
meanings familiar to his contemporary audiences.
The use of sexual/scatological double entendre is a type of stage
humour still common in modern Britain, in pantomimes and popular
broadcast TV and radio. The Office and Bond films are full of it.

Really? A film with a character named Pussy Galore?

Honey Ryder
Holly Goodhead
Plenty O'Toole
Chew Mee
Molly Warmflash
Penny Smallbone

and, of course, Dink.

Although, the only good name in the entire series of novels for a female
character, and one of the great fictional names of all time, is Vesper
Lynd.

--
I intend to live forever -- so far, so good!

Peter Moylan

2021-04-03 00:57:09 UTC

Post by Jerry Friedman

Shakespeare used "low lying countries", and "country matters",
meaning cunt. Plus the quote PTD gave.
WS plays (both tragedy and comedy) are littered with sexual double
meanings familiar to his contemporary audiences.
The use of sexual/scatological double entendre is a type of stage
humour still common in modern Britain, in pantomimes and popular
broadcast TV and radio. The Office and Bond films are full of it.

Really? A film with a character named Pussy Galore?

An example for AUE ; cunning linguist.

Also quite well known in the U.S., often paired with "master
debater".

When an Australian Prime Minister died in office (by drowning, probably,
although there are other theories), his widow married a Mr Bates.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Graham

2021-04-02 14:40:30 UTC

Post by Dingbat
https://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html

Different times, different vocabulary.

Post by occam
Worth making a note.

Not really. Some of the words on that list would be at least as
offensive to people hearing them in 1580 as cunt would be now, probably
more.

Pepys used "cunny" in his diary.

Also in the sonnets: Be anchored in the bay where all men ride.

Dingbat

2021-04-02 08:04:08 UTC