Gabriel Jesus at the double

[Dingbat]

Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.

Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 20:55:06 -0800 (PST), Dingbat

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.

A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

[Mark Brader]

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

OED he say (amongst much else)

"Mil. A double pace: see double a. 4 c. Esp. in phr. at the double."

Its use in BrE would be unremarkable.

[Rich Ulrich]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

"On the double" is ordinary. I've never heard "at
the double."

I just Google-checked "double time", a term I remember from
high school band. For us, I think it was a fairly fast pace,
maybe 128 steps per minute.

However, the immediate Google'd definition says,
Military
a regulation running pace.
"the sergeants march a shaven-headed squad in double time"

I don't identify "running pace" with "march" - so that
definition bothers me. And "double time" seems to me
that it should describe faster "steps" rather than the faster
/speed/ of running.

A further Google-search supports me, a bit, showing,
Double March: This is essentially a moderate jog at approximately
180 36 inch paces per minute. It creates a travel speed of
approximately double that of Quick Time, designed to be used even
when carrying heavy burdens. This is often erroneously used to
describe a sprint or an ordinary run.

I compute 180 yards per minutes as 6.1 mph, which is surely
a jog (from my own experience on a treadmill). I imagine that
those are short strides, for a jog. Maybe that estimate of the stride
is too short.

If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

[Rich Ulrich]

On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.

Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --

Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

[Don P]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

British standard foot drill WIWAL provided for:
March pace = 120 paces per minute
Slow march = 90 paces per minute (used in ceremonial parades)
Double time = 180 paces per minute
but did not get fetishistic about timing. (Drill instructors carried
pace sticks to correct the length of pace at 30 inches, but not
metronomes.) Armies knew by at least 1914 that men could march at the
standard pace for 10 or 15 hours (in good boots, and allowed a 10-minute
rest every hour) which approximates a steady three miles an hour.

Some British and Indian units (the "rifle regiments" of 1945?) marched
at a faster pace like some Italian and Spanish units (144 paces/min.
says Wikipedia) very unlike the French Foreign Legion (90 paces/min.)

[charles]

Post by Don P

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

March pace = 120 paces per minute
Slow march = 90 paces per minute (used in ceremonial parades)
Double time = 180 paces per minute
but did not get fetishistic about timing. (Drill instructors carried
pace sticks to correct the length of pace at 30 inches, but not
metronomes.)

Interestingly, I spotted (on TV) that the bass drummer at Trooping of the
Colour had a metronome atached to his drum.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by charles

Post by Don P

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

March pace = 120 paces per minute
Slow march = 90 paces per minute (used in ceremonial parades)
Double time = 180 paces per minute
but did not get fetishistic about timing. (Drill instructors carried
pace sticks to correct the length of pace at 30 inches, but not
metronomes.)

Interestingly, I spotted (on TV) that the bass drummer at Trooping of the
Colour had a metronome atached to his drum.

Oh, wow. Was he the leader of the ensemble? Do they have a "drum major,"
which is the person at the head of the corps (who doesn't actually beat a
drum) but fulfills the function of the conductor of an orchestra or a
concert band?

He may have been disciplined for allowing it to be seen, if not for
having it during a performance at all.

Tom Sokol had a pocket-watch-like metronome that he would consult before
the downbeat. Never have I seen such a thing on sale in e.g. music shops.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

Post by Don P

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

March pace = 120 paces per minute
Slow march = 90 paces per minute (used in ceremonial parades)
Double time = 180 paces per minute
but did not get fetishistic about timing. (Drill instructors carried
pace sticks to correct the length of pace at 30 inches, but not
metronomes.) Armies knew by at least 1914 that men could march at the
standard pace for 10 or 15 hours (in good boots, and allowed a 10-minute
rest every hour) which approximates a steady three miles an hour.
Some British and Indian units (the "rifle regiments" of 1945?) marched
at a faster pace like some Italian and Spanish units (144 paces/min.
says Wikipedia) very unlike the French Foreign Legion (90 paces/min.)

The British information I've found online is in an official document
which includes guidance/instructions for Drill Instructors:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/699476/2018-03287.pdf

Page 485 (of 491) includes:

1. Every instructor should know the rates of marching, lengths of
pace and timings of foot and arms drill that are laid out below:

a. Rates of Marching.

(1) Quick Time (normal) 116 paces to the minute.
(2) Quick Time (Recruits) up to 140 paces to the minute.
(3) Quick Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
140 paces to the minute.
(4) Slow Time (normal) 65 paces to the minute.
(5) Slow Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
70 paces to the minute.
(6) Double Time 180 paces to the minute.

b. Lengths of Pace.

(1) Quick and Slow Time 750 mm (30 inches).
(2) Stepping Out 830 mm (33 inches).
(3) Stepping Short 530 mm (21 inches).
(4) Double Time 1000 mm (40 inches).
(5) Side Pace 300 mm (12 inches)

Note that in spite of its name Quick Time is the normal marching speed.
It is Quick in comparison with Slow.

If I've got it right, Quick Time is 600 feet per minute which is 6.82
mph. I wouldn't describe that as running.

[Ken Blake]

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]

Post by Don P

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Okay, now I've read the Wikip entry that was cited when
Google gave the bare essentials at the start of Google-hits.
Quick Time, as it happens, is not explicitly defined there,
but it /does/ appear to be reasonably slow, according to
the other mention of it. The pace for "rough conditions" is
approximately Quick Time, so it will not be a fast march --
Easy March: This is an unrestricted march at approximately Quick
Time. This is designed for field marches and other rough conditions,
though is not used in combat areas. The U.S. command is "Route-step,
MARCH."

For comparison: the standard metronome setting for a march (by Sousa,
for instance) is 132, i.e. 132 ticks per minute.

March pace = 120 paces per minute
Slow march = 90 paces per minute (used in ceremonial parades)
Double time = 180 paces per minute
but did not get fetishistic about timing. (Drill instructors carried
pace sticks to correct the length of pace at 30 inches, but not
metronomes.) Armies knew by at least 1914 that men could march at the
standard pace for 10 or 15 hours (in good boots, and allowed a 10-minute
rest every hour) which approximates a steady three miles an hour.
Some British and Indian units (the "rifle regiments" of 1945?) marched
at a faster pace like some Italian and Spanish units (144 paces/min.
says Wikipedia) very unlike the French Foreign Legion (90 paces/min.)

The British information I've found online is in an official document
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/699476/2018-03287.pdf
1. Every instructor should know the rates of marching, lengths of
a. Rates of Marching.
(1) Quick Time (normal) 116 paces to the minute.
(2) Quick Time (Recruits) up to 140 paces to the minute.
(3) Quick Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
140 paces to the minute.
(4) Slow Time (normal) 65 paces to the minute.
(5) Slow Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
70 paces to the minute.
(6) Double Time 180 paces to the minute.
b. Lengths of Pace.
(1) Quick and Slow Time 750 mm (30 inches).
(2) Stepping Out 830 mm (33 inches).
(3) Stepping Short 530 mm (21 inches).
(4) Double Time 1000 mm (40 inches).
(5) Side Pace 300 mm (12 inches)
Note that in spite of its name Quick Time is the normal marching speed.
It is Quick in comparison with Slow.
If I've got it right, Quick Time is 600 feet per minute which is 6.82
mph. I wouldn't describe that as running.

I don't run anymore but back in the 1980s I ran three marathons. I was a
slow runner (5 hours 6 minutes was my fastest time), but I always
yearned to run a marathon in 4 hours. 6.82 mph is about 3 hours 51 minutes.

That speed is certainly running to me. These day when I take my annual
treadmill text at my cardiologist's office, I can usually manage to walk
up to about 4mph. When it gets faster than that I have to run.

Even back in my marathon days, I don't think I could have walked at 6.82
mph.

[Rich Ulrich]

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:29:10 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The British information I've found online is in an official document
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/699476/2018-03287.pdf
1. Every instructor should know the rates of marching, lengths of
a. Rates of Marching.
(1) Quick Time (normal) 116 paces to the minute.
(2) Quick Time (Recruits) up to 140 paces to the minute.
(3) Quick Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
140 paces to the minute.
(4) Slow Time (normal) 65 paces to the minute.
(5) Slow Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
70 paces to the minute.
(6) Double Time 180 paces to the minute.
b. Lengths of Pace.
(1) Quick and Slow Time 750 mm (30 inches).
(2) Stepping Out 830 mm (33 inches).
(3) Stepping Short 530 mm (21 inches).
(4) Double Time 1000 mm (40 inches).
(5) Side Pace 300 mm (12 inches)
Note that in spite of its name Quick Time is the normal marching speed.
It is Quick in comparison with Slow.

Okay.

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
If I've got it right, Quick Time is 600 feet per minute which is 6.82
mph. I wouldn't describe that as running.

Okay, you don't have it right. Bad arithmetic.

Six mph is a jog. I scorned it as a "slow jog" until I tried it.

116 paces of 2.5 feet give 290 feet per minute, not
600 - I get about 3.2 mph, adjusting your 6.82. And
140 paces similarly gives about 4.0.

Google research reveals that "racewalkers" can average
above 7 or 8 mph for the shortest races (1 mi).

When I set speeds on a treadmill, slightly above 4.0 is
when I need to jog. I had /some/ arthritis when I
first used a treadmill, so I don't think that I ever tested
the racewalker style.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:46:53 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 18:29:10 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
The British information I've found online is in an official document
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/699476/2018-03287.pdf
1. Every instructor should know the rates of marching, lengths of
a. Rates of Marching.
(1) Quick Time (normal) 116 paces to the minute.
(2) Quick Time (Recruits) up to 140 paces to the minute.
(3) Quick Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
140 paces to the minute.
(4) Slow Time (normal) 65 paces to the minute.
(5) Slow Time (Light Infantry and Green Jackets Regiments)
70 paces to the minute.
(6) Double Time 180 paces to the minute.
b. Lengths of Pace.
(1) Quick and Slow Time 750 mm (30 inches).
(2) Stepping Out 830 mm (33 inches).
(3) Stepping Short 530 mm (21 inches).
(4) Double Time 1000 mm (40 inches).
(5) Side Pace 300 mm (12 inches)
Note that in spite of its name Quick Time is the normal marching speed.
It is Quick in comparison with Slow.

Okay.

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
If I've got it right, Quick Time is 600 feet per minute which is 6.82
mph. I wouldn't describe that as running.

Okay, you don't have it right. Bad arithmetic.

I made a mistake, but not in the arithmetic. 6.82 mph is for Double
Time not Quick Time.

Post by Rich Ulrich
Six mph is a jog. I scorned it as a "slow jog" until I tried it.
116 paces of 2.5 feet give 290 feet per minute, not
600 - I get about 3.2 mph, adjusting your 6.82. And
140 paces similarly gives about 4.0.
Google research reveals that "racewalkers" can average
above 7 or 8 mph for the shortest races (1 mi).
When I set speeds on a treadmill, slightly above 4.0 is
when I need to jog. I had /some/ arthritis when I
first used a treadmill, so I don't think that I ever tested
the racewalker style.

[John Dunlop]

Peter Duncanson [BrE]:
...

Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Note that in spite of its name Quick Time is the normal marching
speed. It is Quick in comparison with Slow.
If I've got it right, Quick Time is 600 feet per minute which is
6.82 mph. I wouldn't describe that as running.

Running involves both feet being off the ground at the same time. I
don't think speed comes into it. You can have fast runs and slow runs. A
jog is a slow run, slow being relative (e.g., 8 min/mi might be a jog
for Kipchoge, a fast run for a "hobby jogger").

I can remember the marching speed of the French Foreign Legion (88 steps
a minute, tempo of /Le Boudin/) because it's the same figure the
DeLorean has to reach to take Marty back to the future.

[Tony Cooper]

On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

"On the double" is ordinary. I've never heard "at
the double."
I just Google-checked "double time", a term I remember from
high school band. For us, I think it was a fairly fast pace,
maybe 128 steps per minute.
However, the immediate Google'd definition says,
Military
a regulation running pace.
"the sergeants march a shaven-headed squad in double time"
I don't identify "running pace" with "march" - so that
definition bothers me. And "double time" seems to me
that it should describe faster "steps" rather than the faster
/speed/ of running.
A further Google-search supports me, a bit, showing,
Double March: This is essentially a moderate jog at approximately
180 36 inch paces per minute. It creates a travel speed of
approximately double that of Quick Time, designed to be used even
when carrying heavy burdens. This is often erroneously used to
describe a sprint or an ordinary run.
I compute 180 yards per minutes as 6.1 mph, which is surely
a jog (from my own experience on a treadmill). I imagine that
those are short strides, for a jog. Maybe that estimate of the stride
is too short.
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Whether it's "at the double" or "on the double" (the more common
version), it still means "going fast" and the usage in that headline
is word-play on the guy scoring two goals.

When someone - outside the military - is told to do something "on the
double", they are not specifying a particular number of
steps-per-minute. The meaning is to get started or get it done
quickly.

That's the usage Ranjiit needs to know.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Tony Cooper
Whether it's "at the double" or "on the double" (the more common
version), it still means "going fast" and the usage in that headline
is word-play on the guy scoring two goals.

Pondial difference I suspect.
"At the double" is the version most often used in BrE.

[Dingbat]

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:26:14 -0500, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Tony Cooper

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

"On the double" is ordinary. I've never heard "at
the double."
I just Google-checked "double time", a term I remember from
high school band. For us, I think it was a fairly fast pace,
maybe 128 steps per minute.
However, the immediate Google'd definition says,
Military
a regulation running pace.
"the sergeants march a shaven-headed squad in double time"
I don't identify "running pace" with "march" - so that
definition bothers me. And "double time" seems to me
that it should describe faster "steps" rather than the faster
/speed/ of running.
A further Google-search supports me, a bit, showing,
Double March: This is essentially a moderate jog at approximately
180 36 inch paces per minute. It creates a travel speed of
approximately double that of Quick Time, designed to be used even
when carrying heavy burdens. This is often erroneously used to
describe a sprint or an ordinary run.
I compute 180 yards per minutes as 6.1 mph, which is surely
a jog (from my own experience on a treadmill). I imagine that
those are short strides, for a jog. Maybe that estimate of the stride
is too short.
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Whether it's "at the double" or "on the double" (the more common
version), it still means "going fast" and the usage in that headline
is word-play on the guy scoring two goals.
When someone - outside the military - is told to do something "on the
double", they are not specifying a particular number of
steps-per-minute. The meaning is to get started or get it done
quickly.
That's the usage Ranjit needs to know.

I knew "on the double"; "at the double" was what I hadn't seen. Also,
"Gabriel Jesus on the double" wouldn't parse since GJ is a person,
not an action.

Post by Rich Ulrich
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 10:10:41 -0800 (PST), Dingbat

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Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.
Gabriel Jesus at the double
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-city-vs-everton-result-final-score-goals-gabriel-jesus-richarlison-ratings-a9266971.html

It's an expression that usually means "going fast" but it's word-play
here. Gabriel Jesus scored two goals.
A standard expression in the US in the "going fast" sense.

Really? I haven't heard that. I have heard "on the double", which
I know as a traditional military order telling the troops to run
instead of walking, or something like that.

"On the double" is ordinary. I've never heard "at
the double."
I just Google-checked "double time", a term I remember from
high school band. For us, I think it was a fairly fast pace,
maybe 128 steps per minute.
However, the immediate Google'd definition says,
Military
a regulation running pace.
"the sergeants march a shaven-headed squad in double time"
I don't identify "running pace" with "march" - so that
definition bothers me. And "double time" seems to me
that it should describe faster "steps" rather than the faster
/speed/ of running.
A further Google-search supports me, a bit, showing,
Double March: This is essentially a moderate jog at approximately
180 36 inch paces per minute. It creates a travel speed of
approximately double that of Quick Time, designed to be used even
when carrying heavy burdens. This is often erroneously used to
describe a sprint or an ordinary run.
I compute 180 yards per minutes as 6.1 mph, which is surely
a jog (from my own experience on a treadmill). I imagine that
those are short strides, for a jog. Maybe that estimate of the stride
is too short.
If 6.1 were the speed, "Quick Time" must be more than half
of that -- because even 3.5 mph (treadmill experience) is a
moderate walking speed for young, healthy civilians.

Whether it's "at the double" or "on the double" (the more common
version), it still means "going fast" and the usage in that headline
is word-play on the guy scoring two goals.
When someone - outside the military - is told to do something "on the
double", they are not specifying a particular number of
steps-per-minute. The meaning is to get started or get it done
quickly.
That's the usage Ranjit needs to know.

I knew "on the double"; "at the double" was what I hadn't seen. Also,
"Gabriel Jesus on the double" wouldn't parse since GJ is a person,
not an action.

Post by Rich Ulrich
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

The only parse necessary in sports headlines is Ara and Bill.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Dingbat
Meaning of 'at the double'?
Is it a new expression?
I've never seen it before.

I understand it to mean "at twice the normal speed".

I believe it is military in origin, and refers to marching music, which
can be "quick march" "slow march" or "double time", meaning pklayed twice
as fast as normal.