Tesla made 80k EV last Q

[M***@kymhorsell.com]

<https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/01/tesla-made-a-record-80000-vehicles-last-quarter-report-says.html>


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Potential impacts of climate change on storage conditions for commercial
agriculture: an example for potato production in Michigan
A warming climate will increase the energy demands for refrigeration
in the US food and farming industries, a new study suggests. Using a
case study of the Michigan chip-processing potato industry - the state
being the largest producer of chipped potatoes in the US - the
researchers simulate post-harvest potato storage for the 21st
century. The finding indicate increasing future demand for ventilation
and/or refrigeration immediately after harvest and again in spring and
early summer - by as much as 35 days by the end of the century. This
"provides an example of the potentially large effects of climate
change on the storage conditions for agricultural commodities", the
authors conclude. -- Climatic Change

Most Dow 30 companies really care about climate change; Microsoft is a
global leader
Maylan Studart, Yahoo Finance

Shell, BP go separate ways as Washington voters weigh new fee on
greenhouse-gas polluters
Hal Bernton, Seattle Times

China's environment watchdog warns polluters not to flout winter smog plan
Reuters

Climeworks open third plant capturing carbon dioxide from air
Akshat Rathi, Quartz

Australia's greenhouse gas emissions climb again amid climate policy vacuum
Lisa Cox, The Guardian

South Korea's political winds blow ill for nuclear energy industry
Song Jung-a, Financial Times

Menace of US sanctions on Russia looms over Europe's gas supply
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Which cities will sink into the sea first? Maybe not the ones you expect
Mark Miodownik, The Guardian

Germany Struggles to End Coal Reliance Despite Clean-Power Shift
Bloomberg

California turns up the heat on climate change disclosures
Financial Times

Bushfire emergency north of Kununurra [FNWA] threatens lives and homes
Sydney Morning Herald, 01 Oct 2018 09:02Z

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 01 Oct 2018 09:30Z
Deadly #flooding, widespread power outages and roads being wiped out, all
the result of a powerful storm known as a "Medicane" as it moved through
#Greece [George Palamiotis/EPA] pic.twitter.com/CqYzRvef6b
<Loading Image...>

WA has driest Sept since 1939, and forecasts show trend likely to continue
ABC News, 01 Oct 2018 09:30Z
Western Australia experiences its driest Sept in 8 decades, with
the state's rainfall total the third lowest on record for the month.
[Australia, overall, had driest Sept on record].

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 01 Oct 2018 10:46Z
Tropical Storm Trami is now pulling away from Japan, but on its heals is
Typhoon Kong-rey following in a similar path. Everton @WeathertonFox has all
the details coming up at 1025G on aje.io/c797w

Pit dug for 1,000 bodies as Indonesia's tsunami toll rises
<Loading Image...>
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Mass burials for the 100s of victims of the earthquake and tsunami that
hit the Indonesian city of Palu begin as relatives of the missing comb
thorough body bags for their loved ones.

Should farmers get handouts? The debate is more urgent than ever
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Does welfare for farmers reward bad farming practice? Or, should drought be
viewed like other natural disasters such as bushfires and floods?

'Greed and profit over decency': CBA criticised for luring students through
school banking program
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Despite repeated attempts to withhold information, Queensland's Dept
of Education is forced to reveal the Commonwealth Bank paid state schools
almost $400,000 last year to sign children up to its school banking program.

'It's a big market': How Australians are helping China become the world's
biggest wine maker
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
For the first time Australian winemakers have sold more than $1 bn of
wine to China. But the Chinese are pushing back, planning to become the
world's number top winemakers and produce drops that will win back their own
consumers.

UK facing 'nightmare scenario' if no Brexit deal struck
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
With just 6 months until the United Kingdom departs the European Union and
her Chequers plan in tatters, British PM Theresa May is under pressure to
reassure a nation and reunite her party in what could be her last
Conservative Party conference as leader.

Kavanaugh's Yale classmates are reportedly being ignored by the FBI ...
businessinsider.com, 01 Oct 2018 14:18Z
Kavanaugh's Yale classmates who dispute his statements on drinking and
sexual misconduct want to talk to the FBI but are reportedly being ignored.

Tesla made a record 80,000 vehicles last quarter, report says
CNBC, 01 Oct 2018 14:34Z

Teetotal Trump defends Kavanaugh's drinking
SBS, 01 Oct 2018 19:14Z

Fact check: Has the gender pay gap shrunk under the Coalition Government's
policies?
ABC News, 01 Oct 2018 21:03Z
Prime Minister Scott Morrison, as well as a number of other Coalition MPs,
say that the gender pay gap has fallen under the Coalition Government. Fact
Check finds his claim to be overreach.

Tesla Inc
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General Motors Company
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Panasonic Corporation
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1,339 JPY +16 (1.17%) *** up 1.2% ***

Bayerische Motoren Werke AG
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78.59 EUR +0.88 (1.13%) *** up 1.1% ***

Exxon Mobil Corporation
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85.81 USD +0.79 (0.93%) up

Royal Dutch Shell Plc Class A
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Ford Motor Company
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9.32 USD +0.070 (0.76%) up

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Amazon.com, Inc.
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Air France KLM SA
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14.83 USD -0.70 (4.51%) *** down 4.5% ***

[JTEM is right]

From the cited text:

"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."

So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.





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[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Except the fruitcake doesn't know the information is false.

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Except the fruitcake doesn't know the information is false.

Hillbillies have no idea about the real world. They work by gut feelings
and long-held prejudices. They cain look up VIN data or registrations
or figga a way to relate "wild sightings" to total populations.
They dont know any keywords and cain even google up any of these things.
They may as well not exist since they have essentially zero output.

How many Teslas are on the road?
More than 200,000 Teslas are on the road right now, each providing the
company with data it can use to improve its machine-learning technology.
However, now that the Model 3 is in production, the number of Teslas on the
road could explode.
-- 27 Sep 2017
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California's Drought of the Future: A Midcentury Recreation of the
Exceptional Conditions of 2012-2017
If California had a repeat of its 2012-16 drought, but 30 years later1
higher global temperatures would mean it would be "much worse than its
historical counterpart", a new study says. Using model simulations,
the researchers assessed the impacts if similar dynamical conditions
to the 2012-16 drought occurred in 1942-46. Overall, the midcentury
drought would have many more extreme heat days, record-low snowpack,
increased soil drying, and record-high forest loss, the findings
show. The authors caution that an "extensive effort#must now be
invested on the part of California's residents, water managers,
policymakers, and the broader stakeholder community to prepare for the
next big drought". -- Earth's Future

Most Dow 30 companies really care about climate change; Microsoft is a
global leader
Maylan Studart, Yahoo Finance

Shell, BP go separate ways as Washington voters weigh new fee on
greenhouse-gas polluters
Hal Bernton, Seattle Times

China's environment watchdog warns polluters not to flout winter smog plan
Reuters

Climeworks open third plant capturing carbon dioxide from air
Akshat Rathi, Quartz

Australia's greenhouse gas emissions climb again amid climate policy vacuum
Lisa Cox, The Guardian

South Korea's political winds blow ill for nuclear energy industry
Song Jung-a, Financial Times

Menace of US sanctions on Russia looms over Europe's gas supply
Nick Butler, Financial Times

Which cities will sink into the sea first? Maybe not the ones you expect
Mark Miodownik, The Guardian

Germany Struggles to End Coal Reliance Despite Clean-Power Shift
Bloomberg

California turns up the heat on climate change disclosures
Financial Times

Bushfire emergency north of Kununurra [FNWA] threatens lives and homes
Sydney Morning Herald, 01 Oct 2018 09:02Z

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 01 Oct 2018 09:30Z
Deadly #flooding, widespread power outages and roads being wiped out, all
the result of a powerful storm known as a "Medicane" as it moved through
#Greece [George Palamiotis/EPA] pic.twitter.com/CqYzRvef6b
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoaanXxWkAA_gUF.jpg>

WA has driest September since 1939, and forecasts show trend likely to continue
ABC News, 01 Oct 2018 09:30Z
Western Australia experiences its driest September in eight decades, with
the state's rainfall total the third lowest on record for the month.
[Australia, overall, had driest Sept on record].

Al Jazeera Weather @AJEWeather 01 Oct 2018 10:46Z
Tropical Storm Trami is now pulling away from Japan, but on its heals is
Typhoon Kong-rey following in a similar path. Everton @WeathertonFox has all
the details coming up at 1025G on aje.io/c797w

Pit dug for 1,000 bodies as Indonesia's tsunami toll rises
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10326082-16x9-460x259.jpg>
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Mass burials for the hundreds of victims of the earthquake and tsunami that
hit the Indonesian city of Palu begin as relatives of the missing comb
thorough body bags for their loved ones.

Should farmers get handouts? The debate is more urgent than ever
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Does welfare for farmers reward bad farming practice? Or, should drought be
viewed like other natural disasters such as bushfires and floods?

'Greed and profit over decency': CBA criticised for luring students through
school banking program
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
Despite repeated attempts to withhold information, Queensland's Department
of Education is forced to reveal the Commonwealth Bank paid state schools
almost $400,000 last year to sign children up to its school banking program.

'It's a big market': How Australians are helping China become the world's
biggest wine maker
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
For the first time Australian winemakers have sold more than $1 billion of
wine to China. But the Chinese are pushing back, planning to become the
world's number top winemakers and produce drops that will win back their own
consumers.

UK facing 'nightmare scenario' if no Brexit deal struck
ABC News, 02 Oct 2018
With just six months until the United Kingdom departs the European Union and
her Chequers plan in tatters, British PM Theresa May is under pressure to
reassure a nation and reunite her party in what could be her last
Conservative Party conference as leader.

Kavanaugh's Yale classmates are reportedly being ignored by the FBI ...
businessinsider.com, 01 Oct 2018 14:18Z
Kavanaugh's Yale classmates who dispute his statements on drinking and
sexual misconduct want to talk to the FBI but are reportedly being ignored.

Tesla made a record 80,000 vehicles last quarter, report says
CNBC, 01 Oct 2018 14:34Z

Japan, Taiwan, China and South Korea on alert for strengthening
Typhoon Kong-rey
AccuWeather.com, 01 Oct 2018 16:41Z

Three tornadoes confirmed in Ontario amid last week's storms
The Weather Network, 01 Oct 2018 16:43Z
Tornado warned storms swept through parts of southwestern Ontario last
Tuesday night, sparking great concern especially ...

Leslie set to become next hurricane in the Atlantic Ocean
AccuWeather.com, 01 Oct 2018 18:40Z

Teetotal Trump defends Kavanaugh's drinking
SBS, 01 Oct 2018 19:14Z

New weather model could increase tornado-warning times
Phys.Org, 01 Oct 2018 20:42Z
In the past 40 years, tornado warning lead-time-meaning the time interval
between when a warning is issued and the tornado occurs-has ...

Fact check: Has the gender pay gap shrunk under the Coalition Government's
policies?
ABC News, 01 Oct 2018 21:03Z
Prime Minister Scott Morrison, as well as a number of other Coalition MPs,
say that the gender pay gap has fallen under the Coalition Government. Fact
Check finds his claim to be overreach.

Tesla Inc
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General Motors Company
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Panasonic Corporation
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Bayerische Motoren Werke AG
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Ford Motor Company
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Peabody Energy Corporation
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NK Rosneft' PAO
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Cabot Oil & Gas Corporation
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22.30 USD -0.22 (0.98%) down

MITSUBISHI MOTORS CORPORATION
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793 JPY -9 (1.12%) *** down 1.1% ***

American Outdoor Brands Corp
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14.83 USD -0.70 (4.51%) *** down 4.5% ***

[JTEM is right]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Except the

It's a quote, an exact quote lifted straight out of your
citation.

Tesla has committed a great deal of this kind of fraud
in the past, and it looks like they're continuing even
after the government hitting them with fines for
committing fraud.






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[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Except the

It's a quote, an exact quote lifted straight out of your
citation.

So the fruitcake doesn't actually know the information
is false, and lied yet again.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Unum

Post by JTEM is right

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

It's a quote, an exact quote lifted straight out of your
citation.

So the

It's a copy & paste quote from your very own source.

The SEC needs to look into this. It looks like Tesla
is right back to old tricks.







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[Chom Noamsky]

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.

The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

[Kym Horsell]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Tesla Model 3 is most profitable electric car: consultant
Sandy Munro, president of Michigan-based Munro & Associates, said the car
generates net profit margins in excess of 30 percent. Munro, whose firm tore
down the Model 3 to better understand it, made his comments on an appearance
on Monday on Autoline, an automotive-focused television show.
-- Reuters, 17 Jul 2018

[Unum]

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Tesla Model 3 is most profitable electric car: consultant
Sandy Munro, president of Michigan-based Munro & Associates, said the car
generates net profit margins in excess of 30 percent. Munro, whose firm tore
down the Model 3 to better understand it, made his comments on an appearance
on Monday on Autoline, an automotive-focused television show.
-- Reuters, 17 Jul 2018

Wait. You mean chumpsky lied yet again?

[R Kym Horsell]

Post by Unum

Post by Kym Horsell

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Tesla Model 3 is most profitable electric car: consultant
Sandy Munro, president of Michigan-based Munro & Associates, said the car
generates net profit margins in excess of 30 percent. Munro, whose firm tore
down the Model 3 to better understand it, made his comments on an appearance
on Monday on Autoline, an automotive-focused television show.
-- Reuters, 17 Jul 2018

Wait. You mean chumpsky lied yet again?

It's eeber dat or he has ay IQ of 50.

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[Chumsky allys predicts just before a major disaster -- e.g. summarizing
the current hurricane season just before it opens -- that "nothins gunna
happen". So far he has a 100% record of been wron].

Now 4203 days since last major hurricane made landfall in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Wilma.
1 post 1 view
-- Chom Noamsky, 28 Apr 2017

Just a reminder that strong tornadoes (F3+) have been on a declining
trend for six decades.
-- Chom Noamsky, 29 Apr 2017

CFAN's forecast for the 2017 Atlantic hurricane season.
Curry's new company CFAN has issued a forecast for the 2017 Atlantic
hurricane season. If there is anything to CFAN's "skillful new predictors"
it could ...
-- Chom Noamsky, 12 Jun 2017

2017 Accumulated Cyclone Energy "Remains At Record Low Levels"
Another slow hurricane year so far.
-- Chom Noamsky, 22 Jun 2017

Texas Major Hurricane Intensity Not Related to Gulf Water Temperatures
-- Chom Noamsky, 01 Sep 2017


[But, surprise! At the end of the season:]

No holds barred, 2017 featured the most devastating hurricane season
on record for the North Atlantic basin. More than 282 bn dollars
in damages were inflicted. The season produced the strongest storm
ever to form in the Atlantic - Irma. And another very strong storm -
Maria - resulted in the loss of an estimated 5,000 lives in the
US territory of Puerto Rico
-- 01 Jun 2018

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Unum

Post by Chom Noamsky

"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog Electrek that
cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false information to
give investors the wrong idea that production levels are higher than
they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Tesla Model 3 is most profitable electric car: consultant Sandy Munro,
president of Michigan-based Munro & Associates, said the car generates
net profit margins in excess of 30 percent. Munro, whose firm tore down
the Model 3 to better understand it, made his comments on an appearance
on Monday on Autoline, an automotive-focused television show.
-- Reuters, 17 Jul 2018

Wait. You mean chumpsky lied yet again?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-will-lose-money-on-a-cheaper-
model-3-analyst-says-2018-08-16
"Tesla stands to lose about $6,000 on each base version of the Model 3
sedan that is priced at $35,000"

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/04/investing/tesla-stock-goldman-sachs-elon-
musk/
" However, doubts remain that Tesla can scale up or even maintain that
production rate.
It's a major issue because Tesla is sitting on a ton of debt — and the
bills are due soon. Net debt (debt minus cash) has nearly doubled to $9.2
billion over the past year. Goldman Sachs says Tesla's balance sheet is
"concerning" for an auto company. The firm noted that about $7.5 billion
of Tesla's debt is coming due by 2022. "
Goldman Sachs says there's more trouble ahead for Tesla

By the way, for its 200,000 first cars, Tesla benefited of a $7,500 tax
credit on each unit. 200,000 times $7,500 is $1.5 billion.
But it comes to an end. From now on, Tesla will lose $13,500 on each
cheap $35,000 model S3 car.

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-will-lose-money-on-a-cheaper-
model-3-analyst-says-2018-08-16
"Tesla stands to lose about $6,000 on each base version of the Model 3
sedan that is priced at $35,000"
https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/04/investing/tesla-stock-goldman-sachs-elon-
musk/
" However, doubts remain that Tesla can scale up or even maintain that
production rate.
It's a major issue because Tesla is sitting on a ton of debt — and the
bills are due soon. Net debt (debt minus cash) has nearly doubled to $9.2
billion over the past year. Goldman Sachs says Tesla's balance sheet is
"concerning" for an auto company. The firm noted that about $7.5 billion
of Tesla's debt is coming due by 2022. "
Goldman Sachs says there's more trouble ahead for Tesla
By the way, for its 200,000 first cars, Tesla benefited of a $7,500 tax
credit on each unit. 200,000 times $7,500 is $1.5 billion.
But it comes to an end. From now on, Tesla will lose $13,500 on each
cheap $35,000 model S3 car.

Don't forget the ZEV credits in states like California. A Model 3 gets 3
ZEV credits worth $5000 each, which amounts to $15,000 a car.

Tesla: The car that poor people help rich people buy!

[JTEM is right]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Aren't you even a little shocked that only after,
what is it? Four days since the SEC gave them a
massive warning Tesla is already back to illegal
tricks?

That's what this looks like.

I dunno. Maybe they're fooling us. Maybe they're
"Leaking" accurate information for the first time
ever, just to "Prove" that they've turned over a
new leaf. But it looks an awful lot like Tesla &
Musk are shitting on the SEC here...





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[Bret Cahill]

Post by Chom Noamsky
Tesla loses $6K on every single car.

Eggzactly why we need to tax carbon: Force tar goopers to pay that $6K.

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Bret Cahill

Post by Chom Noamsky
Tesla loses $6K on every single car.

Eggzactly why we need to tax carbon: Force tar goopers to pay that $6K.

I love it when the loons admit EVs can't compete.

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Bret Cahill

Post by Chom Noamsky
Tesla loses $6K on every single car.

Eggzactly why we need to tax carbon: Force tar goopers to pay that $6K.

I love it when the loons admit EVs can't compete.

Electric cars run mainly on fossil fuels. If they didn't, and were
charged by intermittent energies, people who rely on their car for their
profession (craftspeople or medical emergencies for example), would need
several electric cars in order to be sure to have one charged at hand
when they need it.

[Unum]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
"...according to a report by electric vehicle blog
Electrek that cited unnamed sources."
So yet again it looks like Tesla is "Leaking" false
information to give investors the wrong idea that
production levels are higher than they really are.

Tesla loses $6K on every single car.
The company could stop losing money simply by ceasing production.

Obvious lie.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle

Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Unum
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

They're all sold at more than 30% ABOVE list price.

Each & every Model 3 to come off the assembly line
has been loaded with options. None have sold for less
than $50k even though the list price is $35k.








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[Chom Noamsky]

Post by JTEM is right
They're all sold at more than 30% ABOVE list price.
Each & every Model 3 to come off the assembly line
has been loaded with options. None have sold for less
than $50k even though the list price is $35k.

The funny thing is Tesla doesn't actually publish how much it costs to
build a unit. The way analysts generally estimate is to look at
revenues vs expenses in the quarterly reports and divide by the
estimated number of units produced. The google kidz never get past the
headline of the crap they post, so they would never know that.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Chom Noamsky
The funny thing is Tesla doesn't actually publish how much it costs to
build a unit. The way analysts generally estimate is to look at
revenues vs expenses in the quarterly reports and divide by the
estimated number of units produced. The google kidz never get past the
headline of the crap they post, so they would never know that.

Exactly. And if those headlines originate from
Tesla, and they're not accurate, that's fraud.
That would be Tesla deliberately trying to fool
investors into thinking that something is true
when it isn't.

....false profit margins, false production
& sales numbers...




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[Chom Noamsky]

Post by JTEM is right

Post by Chom Noamsky
The funny thing is Tesla doesn't actually publish how much it costs to
build a unit. The way analysts generally estimate is to look at
revenues vs expenses in the quarterly reports and divide by the
estimated number of units produced. The google kidz never get past the
headline of the crap they post, so they would never know that.

Exactly. And if those headlines originate from
Tesla, and they're not accurate, that's fraud.
That would be Tesla deliberately trying to fool
investors into thinking that something is true
when it isn't.
....false profit margins, false production
& sales numbers...

Google kidz can't understand simple things, like Telsa's profit/loss
statements. If Tesla continues losing money quarter after quarter after
quarter, the cars are not profitable, as simple as that

I notice total crickets from Tesla so far on Q3 earnings, I can only
imagine why that is <sarcasm>.

[Unum]

Post by JTEM is right
They're all sold at more than 30% ABOVE list price.
Each & every Model 3 to come off the assembly line
has been loaded with options. None have sold for less
than $50k even though the list price is $35k.

The funny thing is Tesla doesn't actually publish how much it costs to build a
unit.  The way analysts generally estimate is to look at revenues vs expenses

Actually the way the cost was determined was to disassemble the car
and look at costs part by part. And no car manufacturer publishes how
much it costs to build a unit. Why does chumpsky always lie?

"Munro & Associates estimates Tesla pays $29.50 for each mirror, whereas the
BMW i3 is $93 and the Chevy Bolt is $165."

[Paul Aubrin]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by JTEM is right
They're all sold at more than 30% ABOVE list price.
Each & every Model 3 to come off the assembly line has been loaded
with options. None have sold for less than $50k even though the list
price is $35k.

The funny thing is Tesla doesn't actually publish how much it costs to
build a unit.  The way analysts generally estimate is to look at
revenues vs expenses

Actually the way the cost was determined was to disassemble the car and
look at costs part by part. And no car manufacturer publishes how much
it costs to build a unit. Why does chumpsky always lie?
"Munro & Associates estimates Tesla pays $29.50 for each mirror, whereas
the BMW i3 is $93 and the Chevy Bolt is $165."

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Quote:

Summary

Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.

While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.

However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.

Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.

In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.

Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.

The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.

The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

Not even a snowball's chance in hell of that happening any time soon.

[Unum]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Unum

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.

Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)

717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Google kidz don't even know how to wipe the snot off their mugs.

[Unum]

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Unum

Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Post by Chom Noamsky
Google kidz don't even know how to wipe the snot off their mugs.

Yawn. So the claim that they "could stop losing money simply by
ceasing production" was an outright lie.

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.

If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.

It's really that simple.

Yer back is against the wall and there is no escape, google kiddie.

[Unum]

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Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Post by Chom Noamsky
Yer back is against the wall and there is no escape, google kiddie.

So the claim that they "could stop losing money simply by
ceasing production" was an outright lie. Keep on running, boy.

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Unum

Post by Chom Noamsky

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Post by Chom Noamsky

Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

There is no escape, buckwheat.

[Unum]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit

"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle

Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.

Tee-hee.

[Unum]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I
don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Gibbin up already?

Tee-hee!

[John Smith]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car

Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

The definition of profit that counts to shareholders is the one that
puts money in their pockets.

Hey Unum, tell us which one is that?

LOL!

[Unum]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for Tesla
in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that I
don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and
possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the burst-rate
5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD
Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car but
turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by its
internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

[R Kym Horsell]

Unum <***@yourbusiness.com> wrote:
...

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internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Holistic CRAAP dont hep fer dat. :)

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

[Unum]

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I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Why so darn scared?

[R Kym Horsell]

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Post by Unum
I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Why so darn scared?

You can take it to the bank. Kiss of Death Chumpsky perdicts X then
put yor money in ~X.
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Amazingly, from Wiki Tesla page:

COGS/EV sold

2010.00 -628.50698531435596230600
2010.25 -456.23763965129440676500
2010.50 -330.86089917426505869800
2010.75 -239.68624739339335966100
2011.00 -173.44068844439105359300
2011.25 -125.35230877039801739500
2011.50 -90.47869012170164072000
2011.75 -65.21496416205820165100
2012.00 -46.93361715709994292900
2012.25 -33.72088348792227871800
2012.50 -24.18392183788797609600
2012.75 -17.30984065149602171600
2013.00 -12.36268698096552920300
2013.25 -8.80821865618248919800
2013.50 -6.25899955808247150700
2013.75 -4.43435326894038214900
2014.00 -3.13117388517684424900
2014.25 -2.20266571429197929500
2014.50 -1.54286985683042067200
2014.75 -1.07541163597071546800
2015.00 -.74532455248302320300
2015.25 -.51311507412018389100
2015.50 -.35045832967987819500
2015.75 -.23707983415269633900
2016.00 -.15849898102076731400
2016.25 -.10439811770322880500
2016.50 -.06744530618110176200
2016.75 -.04244576018688041400
2017.00 -.02573112725666315800
2017.25 -.01472067803538187700
2017.50 -.00760658320267588800
2017.75 -.00312863437102291800
2018.00 -.00041333925111905900
2018.25 .00114072884477060600 i.e. +$1140 per unit sold
2018.50 .00194440666031631300
2018.75 .00227566976583845600
2019.00 .00232039999954201200

[Wally W.]

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COGS/EV sold
2010.00 -628.50698531435596230600
2010.25 -456.23763965129440676500
2010.50 -330.86089917426505869800
2010.75 -239.68624739339335966100
2011.00 -173.44068844439105359300
2011.25 -125.35230877039801739500

Amazing, indeed.

Where on the wiki page did you find these values to 20 decimal places?

http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/frontiers/web/chapter_5/6665.html
Significant Figures
4. Trailing zeros to the right of the decimal ARE significant.

Tell us about how hillbillies don't understand sig figs.

You *do* know that Excel has various ways to format numeric output,
don't you?

Name an investor whose decision would have been affected by the

Post by R Kym Horsell
2010.00 -628.50698531435596230600

and

Post by R Kym Horsell
2010.00 -628.506985314355962306

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Unum

Post by Unum
I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Why so darn scared?

That's it, another juvenile taunt?

Kids these days.

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

PS. Tee-hee!

[Bret Cahill]

Tesla is just another large auto maker -- eggzactly why Musk is so bored with it he's doing bong hits on live video.

[Chom Noamsky]

Post by Bret Cahill
Tesla is just another large auto maker -- eggzactly why Musk is so bored with it he's doing bong hits on live video.

Ford sells more F-150s in a few months than Telsa has in its entire
production history.

[John Smith]

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Post by Bret Cahill
Tesla is just another large auto maker -- eggzactly why Musk is so
bored with it he's doing bong hits on live video.

Ford sells more F-150s in a few months than Telsa has in its entire
production history.

And the Camry = 235K units this year alone.

[Bret Cahill]

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Post by Bret Cahill
Tesla is just another large auto maker -- eggzactly why Musk is so bored with it he's doing bong hits on live video.

Ford sells more F-150s in a few months than Telsa has in its entire
production history.

Musk got EVs spreading like an aggressive cancer. Tar goopers need to nip this development in the bud or all is lost.

[John Smith]

Post by Bret Cahill
Tesla is just another large auto maker -- eggzactly why Musk is so bored with it he's doing bong hits on live video.

Bored?

He's spending all his time there so bored isn't true.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/what-working-120-hours-a-week-like-teslas-elon-musk-does-to-the-body.html


Facing mounting pressure to meet production goals at Tesla, Musk says
he's been working 120 hours some weeks. He also says he hasn't taken
time off in years and he sometimes resorts to using sleep medication.
These habits seem to have taken their toll on Musk. The often upbeat and
witty founder told the New York Times he felt exhausted. He "alternated
between laughter and tears," at several points in the recent Times
article and sometimes stopped talking altogether, possibly overcome by
emotion.

"It's not been great, actually," Musk said. "I've had friends come by
who are really concerned."

[John Smith]

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https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Bondholders.

Creditors.

Receivables.

etc.

You seem unaware if how business costs and debts are divvied up.

https://ycharts.com/companies/TSLA/total_long_term_debt

June 30, 2018
11.62B

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole that
I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond
will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media, and
possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3
drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and AWD
Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K on
every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get
moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car but
turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by
its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

[Chom Noamsky]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a
hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the
media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his
theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of
reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the
goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn
more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per
car but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and
$22,634 by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while
its non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond
will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10,
that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain
issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3
drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K
on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get
moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more
than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by
its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Refuted a few lines up.

[Wally W.]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond
will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10,
that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain
issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3
drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K
on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get
moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more
than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit
on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by
its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Refuted a few lines up.

So you say.

But you say many things.

[John Smith]

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https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and
profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a
hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with
Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model
3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the
media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his
theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate
of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of
reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported
RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are
profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings
go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla
"loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the
goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn
more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent
profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per
car but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and
$22,634 by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while
its non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

Refuted a few lines up.

Nope = bondholders must be repaid.

[John Smith]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a
hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla
(TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model
3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the
media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his
theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate
of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of
reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings
go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla
"loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the
goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn
more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per
car but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and
$22,634 by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while
its non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

True.

No - false.

They have bondholders to pay off.

[John Smith]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability
for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a
hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the
media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his
theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of
reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD
and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the
goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn
more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per
car but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and
$22,634 by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while
its non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

100% false.

They still have long and short term bond debt to service, fool.

They also merged loss leader solar City back into Tesla = more losses.

Try and grow a brain.

[Unum]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond
will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10,
that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain
issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3
drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K
on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get
moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more
than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by
its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

100% false.

I agree.

Post by John Smith
They still have long and short term bond debt to service, fool.
They also merged loss leader solar City back into Tesla = more losses.
Try and grow a brain.

It wasn't my claim, dimwit.

[Wally W.]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and beyond
will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10,
that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply chain
issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model 3
drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses $6K
on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts get
moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more
than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit
on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634 by
its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

100% false.

I agree.

Can you explain why?

This could be entertaining.

Except he won't say why.

Unum's shtick is to spew criticism (and to accuse *others* of being
haters), not to justify it.

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Post by John Smith
They still have long and short term bond debt to service, fool.
They also merged loss leader solar City back into Tesla = more losses.
Try and grow a brain.

It wasn't my claim, dimwit.

[John Smith]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and
profitability for Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable
quarter, recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a
hole that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with
Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model
3 production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the
media, and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his
theory, based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and
phoennix10, that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the
Model 3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate
of production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of
reported VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported
RWD and AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are
profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings
go positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla
"loses $6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the
goalposts get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn
more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent
profit on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per
car but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and
$22,634 by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while
its non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

100% false.

I agree.

Post by John Smith
They still have long and short term bond debt to service, fool.
They also merged loss leader solar City back into Tesla = more losses.
Try and grow a brain.

It wasn't my claim, dimwit.

You have been schooled, feign gratitude.

[Unum]

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Post by Paul Aubrin
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4207448-tesla-q3-profitability-trap
Summary
Elon Musk guided to positive cash flow and profitability for
Tesla in Q3
and Q4 of this year.
While I remain dubious of even a one-off profitable quarter,
recent VIN
registration data indicates it might be possible.
However, the catalysts for this profit potential dig a hole
that I don’t
see Tesla escaping in Q4.
Even if Q3 is slightly profitable, I anticipate Q4 and
beyond will be
devastating.
In an article a few weeks ago, I collaborated with Tesla (TSLA)
production sleuth skabooshka, who determined that Model 3
production was
falling well short of what was being reported in the media,
and possibly
short of Tesla’s own guidance. I also presented his theory,
based on
exhaustive research by himself, temp_worker, and phoennix10,
that a
possible cause for the production slowdown was a supply
chain issue
related SiC MOSFET units used in the production of the Model
3 drive
units.
Regardless of the specific reason for the current rate of
production, it
is clear that Tesla is not producing anywhere near the
burst-rate 5000/
week reported at the end of Q2. However, the mix of reported
VIN
registrations leads me to believe that even at
lower-than-anticipated
production, Tesla might be able to eek out a profit in Q3.
The following charts demonstrate the mix of reported RWD and
AWD Model 3
VIN registrations.
https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/
2018/9/20/30222545-15374520444699583.png

A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go
positive.

A few days ago chumpsky was claiming that that Tesla "loses
$6K on every
single car". Now that's been shown up as a lie the goalposts
get moved.

It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more
than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Nope, profit is when revenues exceed expenses.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/profit
"A profit is an amount of money that you gain when you are paid more for
something than it cost you to make, get, or do it."
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/273804-model-3-has-highest-profit-margin-of-any-electric-vehicle
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit
on each
Model 3 sold. That’s considered a very high profit margin for a
conventional
gasoline-powered car, but no one else is anywhere close with electric
vehicles.

Post by Chom Noamsky
There is no escape, buckwheat.

Enjoying your daily beating? Keep on running, boy.

Point to the place on the balance sheet that shows Tesla cars made a
profit.
Tee-hee.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Non responsive the to question posed.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car
Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

I didn't see a question. But I asked one. Tesla "could stop losing money
simply by ceasing production". True or false?

Wrong.

Tesla "could stop losing money simply by ceasing production". True or false?

100% false.

I agree.

Post by John Smith
They still have long and short term bond debt to service, fool.
They also merged loss leader solar City back into Tesla = more losses.
Try and grow a brain.

It wasn't my claim, dimwit.

You have been schooled, feign gratitude.

Keep on running, boy.

[John Smith]

Post by Unum
Munro & Associates says Tesla is earning more than 30 percent profit on each
Model 3 sold.

No.



https://seekingalpha.com/article/3978806-much-tesla-lose-per-car

Excluding R&D expenditures, Tesla stomached a $6,738 GAAP loss per car
but turned a $12,827 non-GAAP profit per vehicle.
Tesla's gross profit per vehicle was $16,660 in GAAP terms and $22,634
by its internal non-GAAP accounting.
Holistically, Tesla's GAAP net loss per vehicle was $19,059, while its
non-GAAP net loss was $5,081.

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Post by Chom Noamsky
It's actually much much worse than $6K per car.
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Telsa lost $717.5 million in Q2 making ~55,000 cars.
If the cars were profitable, the company would have made money.
It's really that simple.

Really, only a simpleton would make that statement. Amazon lost money
for years but still made a profit on almost every item sold.

Post by Chom Noamsky
Yer back is against the wall and there is no escape, google kiddie.

So the claim that they "could stop losing money simply by
ceasing production" was an outright lie. Keep on running, boy.

Why does been a hillbilly suck?

One year a hillbilly gets $100k driving a truck and pays $50k in gas
and repairs.
Then they take out a $250k loan to buy a home.
Suddenly they figga driving a truck made a net loss of at least $200k
and decide to quit their job to improve their profit margin.

[R Kym Horsell]

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Post by Chom Noamsky
Tesla Q2 earnings: $717.5 million loss
Tesla Q2 production: 55,000 units (generous estimate)
717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss for every unit produced

Bzzt. And there you have the reason Chumpsky can neba make it as an accountant.
Also a red flag went up in the CRA that he might not be claiming
expenses related to just earning an income.

Post by Unum
Regardless of the overall corporate loss, they clearly earn more than 30
percent profit on each Model 3 sold.

Post by Chom Noamsky
Google kidz don't even know how to wipe the snot off their mugs.

Yawn. So the claim that they "could stop losing money simply by
ceasing production" was an outright lie.

[JTEM is right]

Post by Chom Noamsky
A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.
Not even a snowball's chance in hell of that happening any time soon.

Wall Street pulls this trick all the time where a
large, long term expense, like from a merger, is
all written off on a single quarter... though the
costs are occurring over YEARS sometimes. Anyhow,
on paper they're profitable the very next quarter,
perhaps even seeing an increase in profit even
though they're losing cash by the bucket...

Tesla is hiding product data, production money and
profit margins because it's all good news.

This much is a fact: You don't hide good news!







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Post by Chom Noamsky
A profitable quarter still doesn't mean Teslas are profitable.
The cars are only profitable when lifetime net earnings go positive.
Not even a snowball's chance in hell of that happening any time soon.

Wall Street pulls this trick all the time where a
large, long term expense, like from a merger, is
all written off on a single quarter... though the
costs are occurring over YEARS sometimes. Anyhow,
on paper they're profitable the very next quarter,
perhaps even seeing an increase in profit even
though they're losing cash by the bucket...
Tesla is hiding product data, production money and
profit margins because it's all good news.
This much is a fact: You don't hide good news!

Q2 earnings: 717.5M loss
Q2 production: ~55,000

$717.5M / 55,000 = $13,045 loss per unit.

Oh my aching sides.

[$27 TRILLION to PAY for KYOTO]

How come nothing from the green communists on China's plan to expand coal-power production 25%? Seems like that would mean a considerable increase in greenhouse gases and real pollution.

[JTEM is right]

Post by $27 TRILLION to PAY for KYOTO
How come nothing from the green communists on
China's plan to expand coal-power production
25%? Seems like that would mean a considerable
increase in greenhouse gases and real pollution.

But the east end of a tiny village in Austria is
burning wood from an Old Growth forest which may
release far more CO2 than even coal but, in a
couple of hundred years the trees they're thinking
of replanting will have absorbed just as much, so
it's 100% carbon neutral... providing everyone dies
after the first year.

SO YOU'RE WRONG!




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