Post by T i mOn Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:01:49 -0500, "John F. Morse"
Post by John F. MorsePost by T i mAll was going well then that Morse chap tricked me <g> into 'upgrading'
to a later version of Pan and whilst it works ok in general I can't seem
to be able to apply your scoring / rule in the same way (there doesn't
seem to be a time field).
Is it possible do you know please and if not I'll just go back to the
setup that worked.
That was no "trick" Tim.
I know, hence the <grin>. I was just playing along with our 'Can you
be trusted' theme. ;-)
Oh, I noticed the <grin> but thought of Tricky Dick: "Let me make one
thing perfectly clear...."
Or was that Slick Willie?
So I elaborated. ;-)
Post by T i mPost by John F. MorseIt was also not a "later version" of Pan.
Oh, I thought I remembered seeing .13 and this was .14 so I thought
...
Post by John F. MorsePan 0.14.2.91 is an older version than the 0.1xx betas now offered.
His numbering scheme took a turn after 0.14.2.91 when he started over
with 0.nnn (three digits).
Post by T i mUnderstood. However, in this instance a Windows app seems to offer
(me) the flexibility and choice not duplicated in what is offered as
an 'Agent look-alike' under Linux.
Pan probably is more a "look-alike" than the others, but we both know
looks are only surface glitz. ;-)
Back when I first got married, ... well ... better not go there! =-O
Post by T i mPost by John F. MorseI prefer Pan 0.14.2.91 and do not care about scoring on
dates or age. However you may decide the age of a message is more
important, and need to easily right-click to change a rule.
The right clicking bit isn't the issue (if the different descriptions
between versions lead to the same result), it's the options you get
when you do.
Understood. Once set up you shouldn't ever need to mess with it again.
Post by T i mPost by John F. MorseBut it makes me wonder why someone would right-click a message and then
change it when it is already visible, and shouldn't ever reappear?
Right, this was a suggested solution from Dan as (as he admitted) a
bit of a kludge in an effort to get near what I wanted (no 'required')
from a newsreader.The scoring isn't for that individual message but
all message in that particular group and ideally, all my subscribed
groups (But I can't see how I'd set a group catchall wildcard).
What I wanted was to be able to click on 'Get new messages in selected
groups' and have a easy visual confirmation of those new messages. In
Agent this is achieved by highlighting the new message headers (if
collapsed) and / or messages (if thread expanded) in red. This is IN
ADDITION to unread messages being highlighted in bold etc (in my mind,
'unread' and 'new_this_session' are two independent and disparate
features).
Of course I could cope with Pan working as it does as I could probably
cope with any other newsreader under any OS but my 'choice' isn't to
simply cope but have exactly what I want, that works and I'm used to.
[1]
What Dan was able to show me was how to get close to that by
highlighting any new messages 'today' in (say) red and as long as I
only checked the n/g once a day then that worked fine.
Post by John F. MorseMaybe Dan will provide the information for the 0.14.2.91 version?
It won't be any issue if he can't as I can easily go back to the other
one.
Thanks for looking anyway,
You are welcome.
Post by T i mT i m
[1] It seems I'm not alone in liking and not being willing or able to
deal with Usenet without Agent. I believe there are many running it
under WINE or Windows VM's under OSX and Linux because they to like
how it works. If I am to make Linux my default everyday OS then I
would like for it to be able to do (ideally natively) everything I can
currently do under Windows and as easily (so 'easily' doesn't include
having to also run say XP under VB to do something Linux can't). [2]
[2] And I'm not blaming Linux here, but the developers who haven't
made a Linux (or OSX for that matter) version of my most needed apps
and / or where there isn't an acceptable alternative.
I think I can sum up [1] and [2] by saying: There is NO perfect
newsreader. You use what is the closest to what you want/need.
If you want the "perfect" newsreader, then you need to program it yourself.
An example is the "horrible" (IMHO) Xnews which the author wrote to
satisfy his needs without regard to anybody else. It's perfect for him.
At least until the following day when he woke up and thought about one
more addition he should have programmed.... ;-)
I use Thunderbird most of the time, and many thumb their nose at it.
It's really weak in scoring, but I don't use scoring. I simply plonk
those who are repulsive and go on with out them.
Thunderbird can read and post both ASCII plain text and HTML, and can
handle attachments. These are sometimes useful for me in a couple of
"water-cooler"-type groups where people post vacation pictures, etc.
Others are happy using only text with slrn, tin, rn, Mutt, nn,
Emacs+Gnus, etc. I really don't care that much for slrn, but I do like
to play with tin.
Some of those text-only readers are powerful for scoring, which many may
want. They can also be easily used over a network via ssh, which I have
occasionally done, but not for everyday use. Most users of this group
only have one computer, so a lot of my likes are not understandable by them.
I also run an INN server farm, and have several FQDNs on multiple IPs,
so I do a lot of testing to make sure everything works like it should
from off the LAN, and away from the control of my main LAN DNS server.
Calls from "outside" are required in testing authentication, etc.
Thunderbird has a nice archiving ability (nested directories), which
continue my use from way back in the Netscape days on a Mac, where I
also used MT-NW. I have every message I've ever sent (NNTP and SMTP)
archived for reference.
I've used Agent on Windows, as well as Gravity, and Xnews, but preferred
Netscape Communicator-Mozilla-Thunderbird for my usual day-to-day use.
Agent was my reader-of-choice for the huge MP3 groups. Nothing else
would run. Gravity was somewhat close. Xnews, is, well, Xnews.
On Linux I use Thunderbird (Icedove on Debian), most of the time, but
occasionally Pan when I need to do some utility work. It's just faster
to configure, and using it won't mess up my Thunderbird settings and
newsrc files.
I also like Claws Mail, and would probably use it instead of Thunderbird
if I ever decided to switch. Sylpheed Claws sucked. Be sure to take a
look at Claws Mail if you have the time. I know it supports colorization
of "folders" messages, etc., and it provides powerful filtering. Maybe
something you could use?
Be aware that Claws Mail uses the message storage method maildir (one
file per message) whereas Thunderbird and many others uses the mbox
method (every message in one file, with a database for pointing to the
start of a message). Archiving and fiddling with your messages might
make a difference to you on how they are stored.
XPN is OK except the static time display is not to my liking. I prefer
ISO YYYY-MM-DD instead of "Italian" time, DD-MM-YYYY, used here and
there in Europe, etc. It's just mind-blowing to see "02-07-2010 in July!
The Evolution and Opera newsreaders basically suck.
I don't care for 40Tude Dialog because it is a Windows newsreader. It
requires Wine or using Windows in a VM, something that is rather odd to
do if you are running Linux to avoid all of the problems with Windows.
It looks "Windowsy" but seems to be very powerful. It might be the best
Windows newsreader available, if you don't consider any of the various
Linux/Unix readers that were ported to Windows (Pan, slrn, ...).
For binary downloads on Linux, I haven't found anything better than
Klibido. It probably takes a few KDE libraries to run though, which
might upset a GNOME purist. I run GNOME, but also use quite a few
programs designed for KDE, including KNode, which is a decent
newsreader, but not the "best."
There is just not any such animal.
You will probably wind up like me, using multiple newsreaders, just like
you wouldn't say that any one tool is the best one in your toolbox. ;-)
--
John
When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
