Post by Bad boyIf it was a subjective matter, then it is a matter
of opinion. Frankly, I don't care what the PAP
haters think.
Similarly your thoughts are irrelevant to others.
Post by Bad boyThey are, as you said, of one track mind, ...they
blame PAP for everything bad under the sun,
they accuse PAP of all political sins, without
justification or any concrete evidence.
Well some people are like that just like there are
pap arse-lickers who see no wrong in the pap.
Post by Bad boyNow, such accusations when repeated often
enough, even politicians from other parties
believe them and act on them.
Such weaklings don't deserve to be in office.
Those who act without hearing out the desperate
cries of the people also don't derserve to be in office
Post by Bad boyResults..., they
are seen by voters as political light weights,
unable to take over power.
Take for example, the reason why voters have
been returning PAP to power at every general
election.
The accusation thrown at PAP may be true
in some instances. But the real reason is that the
Opposition had not come up with able MPs,
MPs who could out perform PAP and demonstrate
to the voters they are man of substance.
The reason why now there is no effective opposition
is not as simple as you make it out to be.
There are thousands of reasons. Good enough for a research paper or a book.
Before the pap accended to power there were effective oppositions. When the
Workers Party under David Marshall and Lim Yew Hock were in power the pap
provides good opposition. Subsequently when the pap were in power there were
effective opposition in Workers Party, the People's Progressive Party and
the Barisan Socialist and Alliance (front for UMNO) in the 1960's. FYI the
PPP was founded by Ong Eng Guan. He is the man who lost by one vote to LKY
in the fight for Secretary General of PAP. There was a tie. The party
consistution give the Chairman ( Dr. Toh Chin Chye) an additional vote. That
is why till this day I called LKY an ungrateful soul because of the way he
treated Dr. Toh for what Dr. Toh has done for him.
The main reason why opposition is now weak in Singapore is due to the
brilliance of one man - LKY.
He systematically goes about the destruction of the opposition by changing
the ground rules, using ISA, misused of the courts to bankrupt opponents. He
also go about de-politicising the school children. That is why about 1 - 2
generations of youngsters are apathetic to politics and current affairs.
Operation Cold Store in 1963 was carried out even before the election was
over. He rounded up all the top and second tier of the leadership and lock
them away without trial. They were only release if they agree to confess
that they are communist or subversive elements and NOT to ever take part in
political activities. (This could will be the submission you are asking for
in one of your posting.)
Post by Bad boySingaporean are not blind or stupid. They know
who can look after their rice bowl and give them
what they desire most. They voted according
to their heart of heart. No amount of mud thrown
at PAP will change their votes.
No Singaporeans are so blind and stupid to continue voting for the pap after
the pap has broken so many promises and led them from one recession to
another.
That the pap have continue to hold onto power is due to the pap manipulation
of the electoral system and ridiculous obstacles put in the way of the
opposition.
Hold a free, fair and democratic election under Internatiol Supervision and
I bet you that he pap will lose many seats and may even lose power.
The people are so fedup with them over the last few years that even if you
put a monkey there, they will vote for the monkey just to check on the
excesses of the pap.
Post by Bad boyIt is not PAP greatest failure in this instance,
or rather, the failure of those who are blind to
the wishes and needs of Singaporean.
You mean the pap blind to the wishes of Singaporeans. If that is the case,
then I agree.
Post by Bad boyBad boy.
I have said my piece, and will not continue
with this thread.
Please don't pull out. I enjoy sparing with you. Only in this way can we
sharpen our mind.
regards
truth.
Post by Bad boyPost by truthGood enough for me and many others.
Many in the world think so too.
1. Have an open, fair, truely democratic
election.
2. Have an independent organisation conduct
a poll.
Unfortunately you are not the PM. So even if
you agreed it cannot be carried out.
The pap is scare. That is why they have to use
intimidating tactic. Logical conclusion to an
ordinary person but a one track mind will never
see it.
Meanwhile you are entitled to your opinion as much
as I am entitled to my opinion.
Post by Bad boyI do not see the concrete evidence or proof of
submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole,
in your post.
Your "circumstantial evidences" are no evidence/proof
at all.
Bad boy.
Post by truthIf the pap multi$million ministers allow
an open, fair and independent poll to be
taken we might be able to statistically
prove all these allegations.
However even with hands tied, I
can still make a good case.
Self censorship by authors, commentators, etc. I myself
am also guilty of this and I think you are also guilty of self
censorship.
Post by Bad boyPost by truthThe late E W Barker after retiring was reported to have said that the
newer
Post by truthcabinet ministers are very quiet in cabinet meeting. They dare not
speak
Post by truthPost by Bad boyup.
Firstly, self censorship politicians, authors, commentators
is not proof of submissiveness of Singaporean as a whole.
Post by truthWhy ? Because
they are afraid of offending Harry and son.
Many foreign consultants have come out of Singapore with the same
impression.
Ask Chia Thye Poh, Dr. Toh Chin Chye, Catherine Lim, George Cherian,
TLH's
Post by Bad boyNon sequitur. You have to show acts of
mass submissiveness by 90% of Singaporean.
Giving names of a few individuals and politicans
is not evidence.
Post by truthJBJ, FS, TLH, CSJ.
Non sequitur again.
Politicians who dare not speak out in the presence
of LKY and his son is not proof of Singaporean's
submissiveness.
It merely show that such people have no back
bones and are pitiful intellectual cripples. They
are losers.
Post by truth"As PM, I reserved executive powers in the ISA and the Criminal
Law(Temporary Provisions) Act, both inherited from British Times
which
Post by Bad boyI
Post by truthPost by Bad boydid
Post by truthnot repeal in order to be able to act against subservisives or
criminals
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthlike drug traffickers against whom there is insufficient evidence
for
Post by Bad boya
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthcourt of law without having recourse to the courts.
In other words I was my own carrier of a hatchet. I need no hatchet
man.
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthAll those who have dealth with me know that I have never flinched from
going
Post by truthinto a dark street on a dark night and it happens to be a cu de sac.
No
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthoutlet - either the gangster or I will come out alive.
I have done this a few times. I am prepared to do this again. " ST
3/11/95
Post by Bad boyPost by truthMany peopl dare not have their photo taken with opposition. Just
look
Post by Bad boyat
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthpoor JBJ. Hugh crowd just pass him by. Why ? They are all scare ?
Why
Post by Bad boy?
Post by truthPost by Bad boyISD
Post by truthwatching over them with video camera.
Normal people would not associate with losers
like JBJ.
He is well known for making wild talks. He looked
stupid when made to answer for his baseless
accusations.
If JBJ cannot look after himself, how can he look after
the livelihoods of 4 millions Singaporeans.
I don't blame Singaporeans for avoiding JBJ. He was
a typical loser.
Post by truthStill not convince ?
Am I afraid to openly challenge the pap ?
Most Singaporean do not find a need to challenge
PAP. Only politicians with ambitions do.
Bad boy.
Post by truthPost by Bad boyYour accusations are purely your perception...not
necessary true.
Can you substantiate all your accusations?
For example... you accused PAP for creating a
nation of submissive citizens.
Can you prove that 99% of Singaporean
are submissive. Can you show actual acts of
submissiveness, not just your perception.
Can you show that the 35% of the people who
voted against PAP at every GE are also submissive.
Unlike the Indians, Singaporean do not generally
care about politics but rather care more about
making a good living. Can you prove that this
political apathy is submissiveness, not apathy.
Until you can substantiate your accusations,
the creditability of PAP is not affected. Your
creditability is in question.
Bad boy.
Post by Goh Bak ChovThe PAP government's greatest failure is creating a society and a
nation of submissive citizens through repression and social
engineering. With submissiveness, you have uncreative people,
nonchalant citizenry, citizens who don't feel rooted to their
country,
Post by Bad boyPost by truthPost by Bad boyPost by Goh Bak Chova people who dare not go beyond the lines ( entrepreneurial,
mavericks, etc...), and a people who are not and don't feel
empowered.
debate,
Post by truthPost by Bad boyPost by truthPost by Bad boyPost by Goh Bak Chovlack of vibrancy throughout the society is the creation of this
repressive control-freak government.
The PAP ruling elite has created a society that it despises. Just
look
Post by Bad boyPost by truthPost by Bad boyPost by Goh Bak Chovat the blatant lies they unleash on us (white horse, promise of
jobs
the