OT: Kodak motion picture film; Super 8

I think there are hobbyists who do it for the same reasons as other
people pursue other odd hobbies, such as constructing model
cathedrals out of toothpicks.

I know this because a few years ago one of my sons somehow went to a
meeting of Super 8 hobbyists, and was suffiently interested to ask
me to give him my Super 8 camera, which I was happy to do, along
with the film splicer and the projector. He was interested enough
to get the gear, but not sufficiently interested to actually put any
of it to use.

--
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Quadibloc

2020-02-29 03:15:59 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Also, Kodak developed a new Super 8 camera. Now, I'm as much as
a Luddite as the next guy, but I can't understand the attraction
of Super 8 movies. Most importantly, Super 8 is very low quality.
Even a cheap video camera is better.

Even regular 8mm film had, in my opinion, higher resolution than old-style 525-
line broadcast television.

Super 8 is better than regular 8mm, and like regular 8mm film, both film and
equipment are vastly cheaper than for 16mm film-making. I'd guess a factor of 4
for the film and a factor of 8, at least, for the equipment.

Of course, I'll admit that _these days_ anyone using film instead of video would
be clearly not focused on economy.

John Savard

J. Clarke

2020-02-29 03:46:07 UTC

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 19:15:59 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc

Even regular 8mm film had, in my opinion, higher resolution than old-style 525-
line broadcast television.
Super 8 is better than regular 8mm, and like regular 8mm film, both film and
equipment are vastly cheaper than for 16mm film-making. I'd guess a factor of 4
for the film and a factor of 8, at least, for the equipment.
Of course, I'll admit that _these days_ anyone using film instead of video would
be clearly not focused on economy.

I don't know if it's a point in its favor or a point against it, but
JJ Abrams likes Super 8 enough to have used it for the title of a
movie in which film of that format plays a role.

Andreas Kohlbach

2020-02-29 15:31:38 UTC

Even regular 8mm film had, in my opinion, higher resolution than old-style 525-
line broadcast television.

Most films should have a higher resolution than NTFS, PAL or SECAM TV
tubes. Around Christmas there was a hype in the internet why the 1984
song Last Christmas by Wham! suddenly showed up in 4K and what magic
would be behind this to make it possible, because it should not be
possible to create 4K from an old analog tape. The answer is that this
particular music video was shot on film and not video tape as happened
often otherwise.

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h***@bbs.cpcn.com

2020-02-29 20:58:37 UTC

Even regular 8mm film had, in my opinion, higher resolution than old-style 525-
line broadcast television.

In my opinion, Super 8 offered terrible quality. The frame
size was just too small and speed too slow. Images are fuzzy
and jittery. I think people using it today deliberately seek that
look for artistic purposes.

Post by Quadibloc
Super 8 is better than regular 8mm, and like regular 8mm film, both film and
equipment are vastly cheaper than for 16mm film-making. I'd guess a factor of 4
for the film and a factor of 8, at least, for the equipment.
Of course, I'll admit that _these days_ anyone using film instead of video would
be clearly not focused on economy.

Many corporations sponsored 16 mm films to showcase their
business. Some have been sold on CD (such as for railroads),
but now many, including neat stuff of computer outfits,
may be seen on YouTube or TCM.

TCM aired a promo film for Tupperwear. It included a scene
for the tabulation--punching cards on the 026, sorting them,
and tabulating them.

Unfortunately, some of those films today are not the original
and dupes of dupes. As a result, their quality is poor.
Very constrasty--no detail in shadow and highlighted areas.
The general image is viewable, but it's hard to see any
kind of detail of something shown.

An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.
Curiously, two shows on METV are very different quality
for whatever reason. The image on Mannix is of high
quality, but the image on Cannon (which follows) is of
poor quality.

Dave Garrett

2020-03-01 02:24:13 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
In my opinion, Super 8 offered terrible quality. The frame
size was just too small and speed too slow. Images are fuzzy
and jittery. I think people using it today deliberately seek that
look for artistic purposes.

Aesthetic reasons are about the only thing that would drive someone to
use Super 8 now, given that the average smartphone camera that most
people are carrying around in their pockets can produce much higher
image quality.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.
Curiously, two shows on METV are very different quality
for whatever reason. The image on Mannix is of high
quality, but the image on Cannon (which follows) is of
poor quality.

Both Mannix and Cannon were originated on 35mm film. My guess is that
the original 35mm elements survive for Mannix and are in good shape, as
both the MeTV airings and the individual-season DVD sets that were
released look quite good. Cannon, on the other hand, looks like 16mm
syndication prints in so-so condition were used as primary source
materials for both the available DVDs and the current TV broadcasts.

--
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John Levine

2020-03-01 22:32:20 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.

Some are, some aren't. All the old I Love Lucy shows look great
because they were shot on film. Ms. Ball was extremely smart and
realized the value of being able to use them repeatedly, not at all
like the ditz she played on T.V.

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2020-03-01 23:20:38 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.

"I Love Lucy" (TV) shows were shot on film because she (and her husband) owned
the Desilu Studios (later renamed to Culver City Studios). Because Lucy and
Ricky owned their own film studio (Desi+Lu), it was cheaper for them to record
in film (overall), as they had the cameras, camera operators, film stock, film
developing, film directors (which have a different skill set than TV
directors), and other such equipment and personnel.
That's the main reason why they could broadcast the re-runs so clearly. Also,
film lasts pretty long, but the early filming of a TV picture using kinescope
which would've required the "Lucy" shows to have TV cameras in addition to
having film cameras and other equipment. Later, videotape eventually became
good enough to be used for recording (and the playback) of TV shows.
__________________________________________________________ Gerard Schildberger

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

2020-03-01 23:34:31 UTC

Post by Gerard Schildberger

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.

https://www.americanheritage.com/what-desi-wrought

But if the basic creative decisions had been made, the
business ones had not. CBS wanted the series done live in
New York. The East Coast was where the audience was, and
if the show was done in Hollywood, the East Coast would
have to see blurry kinescopes. Lucy and Desi wanted to stay
in Hollywood, so Desi negotiated. He suggested using their
production company, Desilu, to film the show ahead of time.
This solved the quality problem but would considerably
increase the production costs, originally budgeted at what
now seems a minuscule $19,500 an episode. Desi, picking a
figure out of thin air, guessed that the increase would
amount to $5,000.

After much hemming and hawing, Philip Morris and CBS agreed
to come up with an additional $2,000 each. But Lucy and
Desi, who were to be paid $2,500 each and own half the show,
would have to take a thousand-dollar salary cut between
them on each of the first thirty-nine episodes to make up
the difference.

Arnaz made a counteroffer. He and Lucy would take the salary
cut, provided CBS gave them sole ownership. Since in 1951
most television shows were done live and preserved only on
kinescopes, yesterday's TV shows, CBS thought, were worth
about the same as yesterday's newspapers. So CBS readily
agreed. The suits figured they weren't giving up much.

But Arnaz knew that he and Lucy weren't giving up much
either. "In our income tax bracket," he explained, "we might
have ended up with about $5,000 of the $39,000 we were
losing [in salary cuts]. So in effect, we were buying the
other half of the series for $5,000."

That, of course, turned out to be the bargain of the century.
Because "I Love Lucy" was filmed, not performed live, for
the first time in television, there was something worth
selling after the original broadcast was over, and because
"I Love Lucy" turned into one of the biggest hits in the
history of show business, there was no lack of offers to
buy.

There still isn't. Today, forty-eight years after its
premiere, the price of broadcasting a single episode of "I
Love Lucy" is $100,000. That's not much compared with what
"Seinfeld" will get in syndication, but it's twenty times
what Desi Arnaz paid for half the rights to all the episodes.

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Andreas Kohlbach

2020-03-02 11:25:38 UTC

Post by Gerard Schildberger

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.

"I Love Lucy" (TV) shows were shot on film because she (and her husband) owned
the Desilu Studios (later renamed to Culver City Studios). Because
Lucy

Real name Lucile Désirée Ball.

Post by Gerard Schildberger
and Ricky owned their own film studio (Desi+Lu), it was cheaper for
them to record in film (overall), as they had the cameras, camera
operators, film stock, film developing, film directors (which have a
different skill set than TV directors), and other such equipment and
personnel.

Suppose Star Trek was also shot on film, making later digital restoration
for DVD easier.

Post by Gerard Schildberger
That's the main reason why they could broadcast the re-runs so clearly. Also,
film lasts pretty long, but the early filming of a TV picture using kinescope
which would've required the "Lucy" shows to have TV cameras in addition to
having film cameras and other equipment. Later, videotape eventually became
good enough to be used for recording (and the playback) of TV shows.

And could be re-used. Thus some classic episodes of cult series were
lost. Videotape also has a worse resolution (not more than for the NTSC
and other TV formats was needed) than film. From today's point of view
much is lost and existing tape videos cannot be enhanced much.

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Peter Flass

2020-03-02 13:04:24 UTC

Post by Gerard Schildberger

Post by Andreas Kohlbach

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
An aside, some old TV shows and movies are poor quality.

"I Love Lucy" (TV) shows were shot on film because she (and her husband) owned
the Desilu Studios (later renamed to Culver City Studios). Because
Lucy

Real name Lucile Désirée Ball.

Suppose Star Trek was also shot on film, making later digital restoration
for DVD easier.

Probably using AI in a while.

--
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h***@bbs.cpcn.com

2020-03-02 19:15:05 UTC

Post by John Levine
Some are, some aren't. All the old I Love Lucy shows look great
because they were shot on film. Ms. Ball was extremely smart and
realized the value of being able to use them repeatedly, not at all
like the ditz she played on T.V.

I think it was Desi who recognized the value of owning the
films. Indeed, I think it was Desi who was the brains behind
Desilu Studios. When he and Lucy divorced and she bought him
out, something was lost. However, not helping was Desi's
severe drinking

"I Love Lucy" has a flat look to it by design. One book
says Lucy was concerned about her age, even back then,
and flat lighting would make her look younger.

While we viewers might love Lucy, many accounts say she
wasn't the easiest person to work with. She was a
guest on Carson and I was surprised how caustic she was--
he was trying to be upbeat and friendly and she was quite
snarky. What she said reflected what was said in books.

Sadly, it appears she was a bitter person, very frustrated
over her career and personal life.

In later years she teamed up with Aaron Spelling to make
a sitcom, Life With Lucy. Despite two highly talented
veterans, the show was a notable failure.

She also did a movie, Stone Pillow, about homelessness.
She got sick doing it which may have contributed to
her passing.

JimP

2020-03-03 20:14:27 UTC

I was watching when she claimed her teeth were picking up Japanese
Morse code in WW2. She called J. Edgar to file a report.

I've had tingling in my teeth and gums due to a poorly done filling.
It was a small metal plate. I could drink a sugar soda, tingling. No
soda, no tingling. I asked a dentist a few years later and I was told
that the combo created a small current.

The dentist replaced the poorly done filling with a better one, and
the tingling went away.

--
Jim

J. Clarke

2020-03-04 12:32:28 UTC

I think it was Desi who recognized the value of owning the
films. Indeed, I think it was Desi who was the brains behind
Desilu Studios. When he and Lucy divorced and she bought him
out, something was lost. However, not helping was Desi's
severe drinking
"I Love Lucy" has a flat look to it by design. One book
says Lucy was concerned about her age, even back then,
and flat lighting would make her look younger.
While we viewers might love Lucy, many accounts say she
wasn't the easiest person to work with. She was a
guest on Carson and I was surprised how caustic she was--
he was trying to be upbeat and friendly and she was quite
snarky. What she said reflected what was said in books.
Sadly, it appears she was a bitter person, very frustrated
over her career and personal life.
In later years she teamed up with Aaron Spelling to make
a sitcom, Life With Lucy. Despite two highly talented
veterans, the show was a notable failure.
She also did a movie, Stone Pillow, about homelessness.
She got sick doing it which may have contributed to
her passing.

However she first recognized Arnold Schwarzenegger's comedic talent,
and then there was Star Trek.

h***@bbs.cpcn.com

2020-03-05 19:20:09 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
and then there was Star Trek.

While Star Trek, Mannix, and Mission Impossible originated
at Desilu under Lucy's overall direction, did Lucy have
anything to do with those shows? In all the Star Trek
literature I read, it didn't sound like Lucy was involved.

It seemed that while Desilu provided the physical studio
space for those shows, the real financial risk was by
the networks who agreed to purchase them. That is,
Desilu was gonna get mostly paid regardless if the shows were a
big hit or a big failure.

As I understand it, at the time of the sale of Desilu to
Paramount, it was for the real estate, not the content.
I believe all three of those shows lost money at the
time, so were not very attractive assets. We forget,
but it was only much later that those shows had value
in syndication and new movies and spinoffs.

I don't know if Brady Bunch was under Desilu or Paramount,
but I think that was a huge cash cow in syndication, just
as Sherwood Schwartz carefully planned it to be.

J. Clarke

2020-03-06 00:25:51 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
and then there was Star Trek.

The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
It seemed that while Desilu provided the physical studio
space for those shows, the real financial risk was by
the networks who agreed to purchase them. That is,
Desilu was gonna get mostly paid regardless if the shows were a
big hit or a big failure.
As I understand it, at the time of the sale of Desilu to
Paramount, it was for the real estate, not the content.
I believe all three of those shows lost money at the
time, so were not very attractive assets. We forget,
but it was only much later that those shows had value
in syndication and new movies and spinoffs.
I don't know if Brady Bunch was under Desilu or Paramount,
but I think that was a huge cash cow in syndication, just
as Sherwood Schwartz carefully planned it to be.

Andreas Kohlbach

2020-03-06 06:06:16 UTC

Post by J. Clarke

Post by J. Clarke
and then there was Star Trek.

The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

That was for the second pilot, as the first was rejected. Lucy helped to
give Star Trek a second chance.

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Quadibloc

2020-03-07 06:25:02 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

I remember a story about her visiting the set, and saying something like 'I don't
understand what you're doing here, but I hope you succeed'.

John Savard

h***@bbs.cpcn.com

2020-03-07 19:52:59 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

I remember a story about her visiting the set, and saying something like 'I don't
understand what you're doing here, but I hope you succeed'.

I wonder if any of that is true. Star Trek was billed as a
"wagon train to the stars" and basically that's what it was.
Star Trek definitely included "commercial" elements like
fight and combat scenes, pretty women, and love stories.
It wasn't pure philosophy or science fiction by any means.

Anyway, the science fiction genre had been around for
decades, and I'm sure Ball was familiar with it even if not
a fame. Heck, I think she played on it on a Lucy episode.

I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

J. Clarke

2020-03-07 20:25:42 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

I remember a story about her visiting the set, and saying something like 'I don't
understand what you're doing here, but I hope you succeed'.

I wonder if any of that is true. Star Trek was billed as a
"wagon train to the stars" and basically that's what it was.
Star Trek definitely included "commercial" elements like
fight and combat scenes, pretty women, and love stories.
It wasn't pure philosophy or science fiction by any means.
Anyway, the science fiction genre had been around for
decades, and I'm sure Ball was familiar with it even if not
a fame. Heck, I think she played on it on a Lucy episode.

The story is that she thought "star" meant a person such as herself
and "trek" meant that the stars traveled. In other words she thought
it was about a USO tour.

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

In the show, Mannix couldn't relate either.

Charlie Gibbs

2020-03-07 21:34:09 UTC

Post by J. Clarke

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

In the show, Mannix couldn't relate either.

But he could outsmart them, which made it fun.

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David Lesher

2020-04-04 20:55:42 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

Lucy killed Intertec?!?!

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Charlie Gibbs

2020-04-05 01:44:07 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

Lucy killed Intertec?!?!

<nit>
s/Intertec/Intertect/
</nit>

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

Jorgen Grahn

2020-04-05 06:39:04 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

Lucy killed Intertec?!?!

<nit>
s/Intertec/Intertect/
</nit>

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

Which song is that? I started humming a song too, but in my case it's
"Propellor" by Australia's electronic pioneers Severed Heads, and that
one is rather obscure:

Here's my odds on Southern Belle (Everybody meet my maker!)
She's a ghost from coast to coast
Daughter figure in the Sunday roast
Swish of skirt in the immaterial

This would be less offtopic if I could dig up some material on their
use of home-made video synthesizers or Commodore computers ...

/Jorgen

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Fred Smith

2020-04-05 07:26:32 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

Lucy killed Intertec?!?!

<nit>
s/Intertec/Intertect/
</nit>

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

Which song is that?

From the early days of the internet. Think I first saw it around 1990.
To be sung to the theme tune of the old tv show, Mr Ed (the talking horse):

"A host is a host from coast to coast,
but noone will talk to a host that's close,
unless of course the host that's close
is busy, hung or dead."

Fred Smith

2020-04-05 07:34:21 UTC

On 2020-04-05, Fred Smith <***@thejanitor.corp> wrote:

That should of course be

Post by Fred Smith
"A host is a host from coast to coast,
but noone will talk to a host that's close,
unless the host that isn't close
is busy, hung or dead."

All these years later and there's still no way to edit a post after sending...

Peter Flass

2020-04-05 19:04:35 UTC

Post by Fred Smith
That should of course be

Post by Fred Smith
"A host is a host from coast to coast,
but noone will talk to a host that's close,
unless the host that isn't close
is busy, hung or dead."

All these years later and there's still no way to edit a post after sending...

NewsTap accumulates outgoing posts until you send the batch. I’ve gone back
and edited a few myself.

--
Pete

David Lesher

2020-05-07 20:42:15 UTC

Post by Fred Smith
That should of course be

Post by Fred Smith
"A host is a host from coast to coast,
but noone will talk to a host that's close,
unless the host that isn't close
is busy, hung or dead."

All these years later and there's still no way to edit a post after sending...

Neigh......

Jorgen Grahn

2020-04-05 07:51:38 UTC

...

Post by Fred Smith

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

Which song is that?

From the early days of the internet. Think I first saw it around 1990.
"A host is a host from coast to coast,
but noone will talk to a host that's close,
unless of course the host that's close
is busy, hung or dead."

Thanks. I had missed that, and also would have missed Mr. Ed, if
someone hadn't stolen clips from the show and made a video to Ween's
"The Stallion pt. 2".

We do get a lot of US pop culture here, but maybe there were export
restrictions on Mr. Ed. I'm familiar with Lucille Ball, though.

/Jorgen

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David Lesher

2020-04-06 03:58:46 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Fred Smith

Post by Jorgen Grahn

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

Which song is that?

Thanks. I had missed that, and also would have missed Mr. Ed, if
someone hadn't stolen clips from the show and made a video to Ween's
"The Stallion pt. 2".
We do get a lot of US pop culture here, but maybe there were export
restrictions on Mr. Ed. I'm familiar with Lucille Ball, though.
/Jorgen

That's OK, you had Kim Storm; a real asset!

Jorgen Grahn

2020-04-06 20:47:22 UTC

...

Post by Jorgen Grahn
We do get a lot of US pop culture here, but maybe there were export
restrictions on Mr. Ed. I'm familiar with Lucille Ball, though.

That's OK, you had Kim Storm; a real asset!

I'm not familiar with Kim Storm, but I'm sure he or she is or was!

/Jorgen

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\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

David Lesher

2020-05-07 20:44:22 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Jorgen Grahn
We do get a lot of US pop culture here, but maybe there were export
restrictions on Mr. Ed. I'm familiar with Lucille Ball, though.

That's OK, you had Kim Storm; a real asset!

I'm not familiar with Kim Storm, but I'm sure he or she is or was!

Kim Storm wrote nn.

"No news is good news..."

Jorgen Grahn

2020-05-07 21:46:05 UTC

Post by Jorgen Grahn
...

Post by Jorgen Grahn
We do get a lot of US pop culture here, but maybe there were export
restrictions on Mr. Ed. I'm familiar with Lucille Ball, though.

That's OK, you had Kim Storm; a real asset!

I'm not familiar with Kim Storm, but I'm sure he or she is or was!

Kim Storm wrote nn.
"No news is good news..."

Ah, tried it once 30 years ago, but settled for tin and then slrn.

Digging around a bit, Kim F. Storm worked for Texas Instruments in
Denmark, so he's probably Danish. The name is slightly more Danish
too.

/Jorgen

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JimP

2020-04-05 15:38:04 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
I believe Ball did make a decision on Mannix to dump the
computers of the first season; she didn't think the viewers
could relate.

Lucy killed Intertec?!?!

<nit>
s/Intertec/Intertect/
</nit>

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

I read the other posts... and thought you were mangling Space Ghost
songs. Apparently not.

--
Jim

Quadibloc

2020-04-09 05:22:41 UTC

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

He's always on a steady course
Talk to Mister Ed!

I fondly remember that television show from my youth...

John Savard

Charlie Gibbs

2020-04-09 15:56:47 UTC

Post by David Lesher
A host is a host from coast to coast

Dammit, now you've got me singing that song...

He's always on a steady course
Talk to Mister Ed!
I fondly remember that television show from my youth...

People yakety-yak a streak and waste the time of day,
But Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.

If only more people behaved that way...

Scott Lurndal

2020-03-08 22:42:03 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
The story is that Lucy overrode the board of directors to produce the
Star Trek pilot. The story is also that she seriously misunderstood
what kind of show it was.

I remember a story about her visiting the set, and saying something like 'I don't
understand what you're doing here, but I hope you succeed'.
John Savard

Much of this is discussed in _The Making Of Star Trek_.

Roger Blake

2020-03-01 23:56:29 UTC

Post by Dave Garrett
Both Mannix and Cannon were originated on 35mm film. My guess is that
the original 35mm elements survive for Mannix and are in good shape, as
both the MeTV airings and the individual-season DVD sets that were
released look quite good.

The problem with MeTV broadcasts is that they chop the top and bottom off the
image to create faux wide-screen.

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r***@gmail.com

2020-03-16 11:41:19 UTC

Even regular 8mm film had, in my opinion, higher resolution than old-style 525-
line broadcast television.

In my opinion, Super 8 offered terrible quality. The frame
size was just too small and speed too slow.

Might be, at 24 frames/sec., but at 32 frames/sec quality was very good.\

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Images are fuzzy
and jittery. I think people using it today deliberately seek that
look for artistic purposes.

Many corporations sponsored 16 mm films to showcase their
business. Some have been sold on CD (such as for railroads),
but now many, including neat stuff of computer outfits,
may be seen on YouTube or TCM.
TCM aired a promo film for Tupperwear. It included a scene
for the tabulation--punching cards on the 026, sorting them,
and tabulating them.
Unfortunately, some of those films today are not the original
and dupes of dupes. As a result, their quality is poor.
Very constrasty--no detail in shadow and highlighted areas.
The general image is viewable, but it's hard to see any
kind of detail of something shown.

r***@gmail.com

2020-03-16 11:37:59 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Kodak is still making and pushing motion picture film.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/campaign/2020/academy-awards/default.htm
Also, Kodak developed a new Super 8 camera. Now, I'm as much as
a Luddite as the next guy, but I can't understand the attraction
of Super 8 movies. Most importantly, Super 8 is very low quality.
Even a cheap video camera is better. (Any serious film maker
would use 16 mm). Secondly, film and processing are expensive.
Third, most people will convert a film to digital anyway in
order to edit it on a computer. Editing film the old way
is extremely time consuming and tedious*.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/super8/super8-camera/default.htm
* I had a chance to make one last run using punched cards
instead of a terminal, so I tried it. I quickly found using
a keypunch and card reader had some limitations and inconveniences.
While it was fun for nostalgia, I was glad to go back to my CRT.

Akin to people preferring to use vinyl LPs over CD's.

Kerr-Mudd,John

2020-03-16 21:14:24 UTC

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 7:06:03 AM UTC+11,

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Kodak is still making and pushing motion picture film.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/campaign/2020/academy-awards/defaul
t.htm
Also, Kodak developed a new Super 8 camera. Now, I'm as much as
a Luddite as the next guy, but I can't understand the attraction
of Super 8 movies. Most importantly, Super 8 is very low quality.
Even a cheap video camera is better. (Any serious film maker
would use 16 mm). Secondly, film and processing are expensive.
Third, most people will convert a film to digital anyway in
order to edit it on a computer. Editing film the old way
is extremely time consuming and tedious*.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/super8/super8-camera/defau
lt.htm
* I had a chance to make one last run using punched cards
instead of a terminal, so I tried it. I quickly found using
a keypunch and card reader had some limitations and inconveniences.
While it was fun for nostalgia, I was glad to go back to my CRT.

Akin to people preferring to use vinyl LPs over CD's.

Look, Rod, both should be possessive or both should be plural; make your
mind up.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

John Varela

2020-03-17 22:55:05 UTC

On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:14:24 UTC, "Kerr-Mudd,John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 7:06:03 AM UTC+11,

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Kodak is still making and pushing motion picture film.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/campaign/2020/academy-awards/defaul
t.htm
Also, Kodak developed a new Super 8 camera. Now, I'm as much as
a Luddite as the next guy, but I can't understand the attraction
of Super 8 movies. Most importantly, Super 8 is very low quality.
Even a cheap video camera is better. (Any serious film maker
would use 16 mm). Secondly, film and processing are expensive.
Third, most people will convert a film to digital anyway in
order to edit it on a computer. Editing film the old way
is extremely time consuming and tedious*.
https://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/super8/super8-camera/defau
lt.htm
* I had a chance to make one last run using punched cards
instead of a terminal, so I tried it. I quickly found using
a keypunch and card reader had some limitations and inconveniences.
While it was fun for nostalgia, I was glad to go back to my CRT.

Akin to people preferring to use vinyl LPs over CD's.

Look, Rod, both should be possessive or both should be plural; make your
mind up.

You talk like a refugee from AUE.

--
John Varela

Kerr-Mudd,John

2020-03-18 10:22:46 UTC

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 22:55:05 GMT, "John Varela"

Post by John Varela
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:14:24 UTC, "Kerr-Mudd,John"

[]

Post by John Varela

Post by Kerr-Mudd,John

Post by r***@gmail.com
Akin to people preferring to use vinyl LPs over CD's.

Look, Rod, both should be possessive or both should be plural; make
your mind up.

You talk like a refugee from AUE.

I'm a trainee over there.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

Quadibloc

2020-04-09 05:27:19 UTC

Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Kodak is still making and pushing motion picture film.

Speaking of photographic film and Kodak...

just the other day, I bumped into a video on YouTube about the "Shirley card".

This was the informal name for a test card supplied by Kodak with strips of
color samples, and a portrait picture.

Not surprisingly - and not really due to racism - the portrait was of a
Caucasian woman for many years. Unfortunately, this meant that often color
photographs of black people showed their skin as so dark they were
unrecognizable. At least black-and-white film would still work for them.

Eventually, the problem was corrected - but instead of a better consciousness of
minorities, the initial impetus came from the fact that certain categories of
product - wood furniture, and chocolates - also couldn't show their variations
in color in photographs.

John Savard

maus

2020-04-09 11:31:53 UTC