Post by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by JNugentPost by tim...Post by JNugentAny reason why, in an emergency*, stocks cannot be
picked up by the BOAR at the production facility and
flown across the Chennel to Manston by Chinook?
because Manston has closed
Helicopters can land there without slightest
difficulty.
they could land on the main road outside as well.
the point is it now has no facilities to unload all the
stuff
Medicines aren't bulky and are easily handled. But if
necessary, a helicopter could land at a Tesco
distribution centre. But I expect there'll be some
willing to swear that only being a member of the EU will
enable cargo to be unloaded even there.
I love these cod solutions from bar room experts who, of
course, know far more than the true experts and always
have contrary advice.
Why not read the BMJ's article on this or the RPS's
Pharmaceutical
Journal to see how they characterise the problem?
What do those august organisations know about lorry docks
and helipcopter (let alone fixed wing aircraft) landing
locations?
What do you know about it? Not a lot to judge by your
comments. You're just an observer offering typical pub
advice but mistakenly thinking you are an expert.
Have you ever heard what happened in Berlin, late 1940s?
People like you said it couldn't be done. In factm, people
not too different from you imposed the blockade in the full
belief that it couldn't be done. But it could be, and was,
done.
Learn a little history. Any "problems" encountered after the
UK becomes independent (that's if there are any) can be
addressed with far less effort than the problems of Berlin
were.
Post by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaDo you honestly think no one else in the UK has thought
of using a helicopter? They were granted £434 million
by Boris's lickspittle Sajid Javid and the problem
still remains.
So why hasn't it been taken into account?
Because it's too stupid for words. Do you think imported
drugs are not already air freighted? It's a very well
establshed and competitive industry whose capacity has been
taken into account.
Berlin, 1948 - 1949. Now that WAS a logistical problem. But
it was tackled with ingenuity (and courage) and beaten. Any
"problems" the UK might have after independence are an order
or two of magnitude lower than that was.
If it's so easy then why wasn't the years long seige of
Leningrad lifted by the same powers? Or Odessa or Sevastopol
for that matter.
Have a little think and see whether you can work that one (or
those ones) out.
Your stance is nonsense and I can not guess what substitutes
for intelligent thought in your mind. Make your own point
rather than ask me to make it for you.
Can you think of any reason why a wartime siege of Leningrad
(you may mean Stalingrad) might have been more difficult to lift
than a mooted peacetime "siege" of Calais?
No? Not a single one?
Of course I don't mean Stalingrad. Stalingrad wasn't a seige,
you ninny. Leningrad was a seige and so were Odessa or Sevastopol
that I also mentioned.
(1) Berlin was a German seige -- broken by the Allied airlift.
(2) Leningrand was a German seige -- but it was not broken.
Your suggestion is specious that goods can be supplied purely by
air if there's a block on Channel ports by comparing it to what
happened in the biggest airlift in history and one conducted
largely by non-British airplanes.
Maybe you should double check your understanding of war history.
Stalingrad was the biggest armed confrontation in the history of
warfare and its example does little to illuminate any solution to
goods shortages in the Channel. By contrast, Leningrad was not
an armed confrontations.
And was it easy to fly helicopters into either Leningrad?
Or even fixed-wing aircraft?
Were any local difficulties likely to be encountered?
About as many as in Soviet occupied Berlin.
Was the USSR engaged in shooting down Allied military or civilian
aircraft bringing supplies to West Berlin?
I have never heard that before.
Nor me. How did you manage to arrive at such a supposition?
I didn't. But I reasonably assumed you had, since you suggested that
there was some sort of equivalence between trying to fly supplies into
a wartime besieged city and across the English Channel in the 2010s.
Post by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaPost by JNugentDon't forget: you cited Leningrad as a wartime precedent meaning
that flying in supplies of one class of non-bulky items was
impossible or too difficult in peacetime.
It was such a bad anaolgy that one wonders even now whether you
expected to be taken seriously with it.
I contrasted the seige of Berlin and the Allied airlift broke,
which was a poor anaology on your part, with a true seige in
Leningrad which was not broken.
Have you ever heard of weapons of war? Anti-aircraft guns? Medium
and heavy ordnance?
They were in use in the war in Russia. They were not in use to
counter the Berlin Airlift. Mind you, neither were helicopters.
What does AAA have to do with airlifted medical supplies from the EU
to the UK?
Exactly!
And why anyone could see any sort of analogy or equivalence between
the two situations is a mystery.
Post by PamelaPost by JNugentPost by PamelaCan you tell me why Stalingrad is relevant as you brought it up.
The siege of Stalingrad was the largest and most bloody in the
history of warfare
Isn't that exactly what I said to you? Read it again above.
Post by JNugenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad They didn't use
helicopters there either.
Why did you bring up Stalingrad in the first place, if you now admit
there is little comparison? You appear to be floundering.
There was plenty of equivalence. Flying in supplies would have been
ideal, had it only been possible and safe.
You brought up the subject of airlifting meds by making some oblique
reference to the Berlin Airlift. In case you have forgotten, as you
memeory failed you with your profit advice for BMC/BL, let me remind
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"Any reason why, in an emergency*, stocks cannot be picked up by the
BOAR at the production facility and flown across the Chennel to Manston
by Chinook?"
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=156828541200
Helicopters can land there [at Manston] without slightest difficulty.
If they had to (they don't), they could land on the apron at Dover
Eastern Docks."
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=156828545600
"Medicines aren't bulky and are easily handled. But if necessary, a
helicopter could land at a Tesco distribution centre. But I expect
there'll be some willing to swear that only being a member of the EU
will enable cargo to be unloaded even there."
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=156828549600
"What do those august organisations know about lorry docks and
helipcopter (let alone fixed wing aircraft) landing locations? So why
hasn't it been taken into account?"
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=156828549600
"Have you ever heard what happened in Berlin, late 1940s? People like
you said it couldn't be done. In fact, people not too different from
you imposed the blockade in the full belief that it couldn't be done.
But it could be, and was, done.
Learn a little history. Any "problems" encountered after the UK becomes
independent (that's if there are any) can be addressed with far less
effort than the problems of Berlin were. ....
Berlin, 1948 - 1949. Now that WAS a logistical problem. But it was
tackled with ingenuity (and courage) and beaten. Any "problems" the UK
might have after independence are an order or two of magnitude lower
than that was."
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=156828514800
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Meds are routinely air freighted from the continent to the UK and, as I
have mentioned, there are specialist private subcontractors doing it
already. Why do you think any Brexit contingency planning is not
taking this into account? The government is spending £300 million on
food and medicine logistics, so it seems hard to believe they haven't
considered your brainwave.
By the way do, you have any reference for the claim that Stalingrad was
essentially a seige?
Thank you.