spoiler Thursday 6/9/18

[Vicky Ayech]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.

With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

[Penny]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2018 21:44:03 +0100, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot.

It's no instant fix though, very much a long-term plan. Surely it will be
years before the trees produce a decent crop.

It's also not a new idea. The orchards in Kent in the old days were grazed
by sheep which produced the farmer's main income from the land in wool and
meat. The trees were properly tended as required but the crop was sold at
market when still on the tree (and may yet be spoiled by the vagaries of
the weather), the buyer then came in to pick it.

Post by Vicky Ayech
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.

When d#1 started at our local primary* she was the only intake in her year
and there were just 2 classes. The headteacher, who was rapidly approaching
a nervous breakdown, taught year 6, everyone else (about 20 of them) was in
the other class. A few years on when d#2 started there were still just 2
classes but more evenly distributed. By the time she was in Year 6 there
were three classes, each with around 20 kids and each with a TA too.

Post by Vicky Ayech
Clarrie is lovely.

I don't think anyone would argue with that, except when she is suggesting
telling Lynda Sniff lies.

*Hmm, I realise this was 34 years ago - how did that happen?

[Mike]

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scrawled in the dust...

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot.

It's no instant fix though, very much a long-term plan. Surely it will be
years before the trees produce a decent crop.
When d#1 started at our local primary* she was the only intake in her year
and there were just 2 classes.
*Hmm, I realise this was 34 years ago - how did that happen?

Because of something you did about 40 years ago? Fnarr-fnarr ;-)

[Mike]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

[Serena Blanchflower]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

Agreed. Plus, Tom doesn't have a good track record when it comes to
long term planning. He keeps having good ideas, starting to build
something up and then changing direction. He would almost certainly
want to root the trees up again, to invest in whatever the new "thing"
was then a few years before the trees would be expected to become
profitable.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.

Yes, I felt that (the "Oh dear" part).

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike
Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

It sounded as if she'd traced the problem (with her cheese, anyway) to
when they switched milk source, although that's sort of gone quiet
again; I'd have thought she'd have been scrabbling round to try to find
a different source, or at least doing _something_.

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Agreed. Plus, Tom doesn't have a good track record when it comes to
long term planning. He keeps having good ideas, starting to build
something up and then changing direction. He would almost certainly
want to root the trees up again, to invest in whatever the new "thing"
was then a few years before the trees would be expected to become
profitable.

Why don't, as a sort of in-between thing, farmers grow productive trees
in their hedgerows (ideally, angled a bit towards their land, if the
hedgerow marks a boundary)? That would please those who worry about
hedgerows being kept, still allow the farmers big uninterrupted fields,
and still get at least some useful fruit (or whatever). I guess maybe
the economics might not work (not worth the harvesting labour perhaps)?

[Vicky Ayech]

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 10:41:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.

Yes, I felt that (the "Oh dear" part).

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike
Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’
solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as
dogging them at
present.

It sounded as if she'd traced the problem (with her cheese, anyway) to
when they switched milk source, although that's sort of gone quiet
again; I'd have thought she'd have been scrabbling round to try to find
a different source, or at least doing _something_.

I think she was looking but failing to find what they need.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Agreed. Plus, Tom doesn't have a good track record when it comes to
long term planning. He keeps having good ideas, starting to build
something up and then changing direction. He would almost certainly
want to root the trees up again, to invest in whatever the new "thing"
was then a few years before the trees would be expected to become
profitable.

Why don't, as a sort of in-between thing, farmers grow productive trees
in their hedgerows (ideally, angled a bit towards their land, if the
hedgerow marks a boundary)? That would please those who worry about
hedgerows being kept, still allow the farmers big uninterrupted fields,
and still get at least some useful fruit (or whatever). I guess maybe
the economics might not work (not worth the harvesting labour perhaps)?

[DavidK]

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot.

But he suggested that trees be grown for biofuel. Pat criticised Berrow
Farm for growing biofuel, land is for growing food to feed the hungry.

[Mike]

Post by DavidK

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot.

But he suggested that trees be grown for biofuel. Pat criticised Berrow
Farm for growing biofuel, land is for growing food to feed the hungry.

And not even to feed beef cattle as this is a very inefficient way of
producing protein. Oh hang on, don’t some of the Ambridge farmers rear beef
cattle?

[Fenny]

Post by DavidK

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot.

But he suggested that trees be grown for biofuel. Pat criticised Berrow
Farm for growing biofuel, land is for growing food to feed the hungry.

There's lots of backlash against burning wood as fuel - especially in
middle-class wood burners - these days. The current thinking is that
the carbon offset from growing trees takes far too long to actually be
a true balance for burning it and there are more particulates in the
wood than in smokeless fuel.

[Btms]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.

Yes, I felt that (the "Oh dear" part).

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike

Post by Vicky Ayech
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.

[]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Mike
Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

It sounded as if she'd traced the problem (with her cheese, anyway) to
when they switched milk source, although that's sort of gone quiet
again; I'd have thought she'd have been scrabbling round to try to find
a different source, or at least doing _something_.

Post by Serena Blanchflower
Agreed. Plus, Tom doesn't have a good track record when it comes to
long term planning. He keeps having good ideas, starting to build
something up and then changing direction. He would almost certainly
want to root the trees up again, to invest in whatever the new "thing"
was then a few years before the trees would be expected to become
profitable.

Why don't, as a sort of in-between thing, farmers grow productive trees
in their hedgerows (ideally, angled a bit towards their land, if the
hedgerow marks a boundary)? That would please those who worry about
hedgerows being kept, still allow the farmers big uninterrupted fields,
and still get at least some useful fruit (or whatever). I guess maybe
the economics might not work (not worth the harvesting labour perhaps)?

We do not choose the stories that’s why. They don’t want us loonies running
the asylum.

[Btms]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

Agreed. Plus, Tom doesn't have a good track record when it comes to
long term planning. He keeps having good ideas, starting to build
something up and then changing direction. He would almost certainly
want to root the trees up again, to invest in whatever the new "thing"
was then a few years before the trees would be expected to become
profitable.

This is how the editors have created him. Gives us something to criticise.
We would find something anyway. Its what we do. Sometimes I think we
listeners fail to accept its fiction not an attempt to relate to reality
but more to engage listeners with some reality and for us suspend
disbelief. But why should we 😃. And there-it is leaves a dramatic tension
for us to challenge. Getting the balance ok must be challenging. I could
not do it. Not enough sherry to see me through.
Sometimes I do think we need to tweak the reins. This will depend ok
listeners numbers

[Btms]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

Matron! Word wth Mr Mct. NOW

[Mike]

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Oh dear, Tom is buzzing.
But the trees and crops is such a good idea. I've heard it on farming
programmes and liked it a lot. I hope Helen being annoyed about Henry
and playing computer games won't affect her reaction to his new ideas.
With 30 new kids Mrs Thomas should have a teaching assistant. When
mine went they put them into 2 classes at that age.
Clarrie is lovely.

Hell bent has a point, they are losing money and reputation at a rate of
knots; tree crops are rather long term and don’t provide a ‘now’ solution
to the problems (do I mean ‘challenges’?) she perceives as dogging them at
present.

Matron! Word wth Mr Mct. NOW

Err, wot? (Excuse me whilst I adjust my garter).