Discussion:
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
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hongy...@gmail.com
2021-01-12 15:47:56 UTC
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See <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ> for the context of the following conversation:

ROFL:
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."

That from some perlite :-))

on your EOF expectations:

I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.


1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-01-12 16:05:37 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
See
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
NO. I won't. Give us the context here.
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Do you not have a search engine like Google or DuckDuckGo on your
computer? I expect even PTD knows that one.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as
the subject of this issue.
It's no use looking for a solution that's irrelevant to your problem.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter T. Daniels
2021-01-12 16:25:33 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by ***@gmail.com
See
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
NO. I won't. Give us the context here.
No context whatsoever is needed to understand the two things being asked about.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Do you not have a search engine like Google or DuckDuckGo on your
computer? I expect even PTD knows that one.
Presumably Athel is saying he doesn't, or he's too nasty to tell you.

It's usually ROTFL, rolling on the floor laughing.
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as
the subject of this issue.
It's no use looking for a solution that's irrelevant to your problem.
Wow, 0 for 2. His usual record in "helping."

Just envision someone with shorts that need to be changed (why?)
and tangled laces.

Is it that in your culture, neither shorts nor shoelaces are usually worn?
Horace LaBadie
2021-01-12 16:23:07 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
See <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
We know that you can use the internet. Can you not use a search engine
for internet slang?

<https://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Words04/usage/slang_internet.html>
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the
subject of this issue.
Doing something unrelated to the immediate problem is pointless, and, in
this case, will only make things worse.

Changing one's shorts will not prevent one's shoelaces getting tangled,
and if the laces are already tangled, changing shorts is impossible
without first removing one's shoes.
Ken Blake
2021-01-13 16:02:12 UTC
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Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by ***@gmail.com
See <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
We know that you can use the internet. Can you not use a search engine
for internet slang?
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's hard to believe that there is any internet user not familiar with it.
--
Ken
b***@shaw.ca
2021-01-13 21:37:11 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by ***@gmail.com
See <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
We know that you can use the internet. Can you not use a search engine
for internet slang?
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's hard to believe that there is any internet user not familiar with it.
I rarely if ever see it. Around here, it's usually ROTFL ("the floor") or ROTFLMAO
("my ass off").

bill
d***@chello.nl
2021-01-13 22:25:37 UTC
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Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Horace LaBadie
Post by ***@gmail.com
See <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
We know that you can use the internet. Can you not use a search engine
for internet slang?
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's hard to believe that there is any internet user not familiar with it.
I rarely if ever see it. Around here, it's usually ROTFL ("the floor") or ROTFLMAO
("my ass off").
bill
I've seen ROTFLMAOSTC (scaring the cat).
--
Bart Dinnissen
in The Netherlands
Lewis
2021-01-14 04:52:14 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.

I am sure I am not thinking of at least one more that is very common,
but the ones I am able to come up with used to be very common and now
are largely unknown (BRB, BBL, ASL, AOL, though AOL is not an
abbreviation).
Post by Ken Blake
It's hard to believe that there is any internet user not familiar with it.
Yes.
--
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends.." Oscar
Wilde
Quinn C
2021-01-14 19:14:45 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.

("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
--
If men got pregnant, you could get an abortion at an ATM.
-- Selina Mayer, VEEP
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-14 21:46:28 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Snidely
2021-01-14 22:47:55 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
I have, but it doesn't stick well. BRB covers some of the same usage,
as does TTFN (yes, my children watched the Disney Channel).

/dps
--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-15 10:33:00 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
Penny used it in BBT when addicted to gaming.
AFK,BRB
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Peter T. Daniels
2021-01-15 17:07:51 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
Penny used it in BBT when addicted to gaming.
AFK,BRB
And mystified Sheldon, after he explained, by saying,
"Oh,. I see."
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-15 21:05:59 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
Penny used it in BBT when addicted to gaming.
AFK,BRB
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Tony Cooper
2021-01-15 22:19:35 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
Penny used it in BBT when addicted to gaming.
AFK,BRB
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
It was an entertaining show and quite watchable. Sheldon's "schtick"
got kinda old as the show went through a few seasons, but the writing
held up pretty good.

It was like any other continuing program on TV; some will like it,
some won't. Someone who does like it will not neccessarily like
another program that another liker will enjoy. Case in point: there's
a poster here who thinks TBBT was great, but couldn't stomach
"Seinfeld". I rate them as both equally watchable and entertaining.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-01-16 07:36:39 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Quinn C
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Thanks. I haven't encountered it before.
Penny used it in BBT when addicted to gaming.
AFK,BRB
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
Likewise (almost). I've never seen it, or wanted to see it, and only
know it as one of PTD's favourites.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter T. Daniels
2021-01-16 17:08:42 UTC
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
Likewise (almost). I've never seen it, or wanted to see it, and only
know it as one of PTD's favourites.
How very provincial. It was the top-rated comedy series for most if not
all of its very long run. It was thus one of America's favorites.
J. J. Lodder
2021-01-16 17:18:15 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
Likewise (almost). I've never seen it, or wanted to see it, and only
know it as one of PTD's favourites.
How very provincial. It was the top-rated comedy series for most if not
all of its very long run. It was thus one of America's favorites.
So who is provincial?

Jan
Peter T. Daniels
2021-01-16 17:30:04 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I'll have to take your word on it. My entire exposure to BBT is the
mention of it within the pages of AUE.
Likewise (almost). I've never seen it, or wanted to see it, and only
know it as one of PTD's favourites.
How very provincial. It was the top-rated comedy series for most if not
all of its very long run. It was thus one of America's favorites.
So who is provincial?
To whom did I respond?

Claiming that the preference of an entire nation of TV-watchers is
the preference of a single individual an reveals astonishing degree
of ignorance and navel-gazing.

I have never seen a single episode of East-Enders or Dr. Who, but I
know that they are immensely popular in his former country.
RH Draney
2021-01-14 23:29:21 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Any Fule Kno that....r
CDB
2021-01-15 16:10:01 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among
nerds, RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not
in general use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to
it, because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was
domain-specific. Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
("away from keyboard", for others who don't know.)
Any Fule Kno that....r
ObDisambiguation: Maybe that's why Molesworth spells it "no".
Lewis
2021-01-15 03:26:27 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
Chat and gaming, so the vast majority of the Internet for most people
since few have never even heard of USENET.

ASL was almost only used in various chat platforms (ICQ, IRC, etc). (Not
American Sign Language, Age/Sex/Location).
--
It was all very well going about pure logic and how the universe was
ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact was
that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a
giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists'
houses and smashing their windows.
Quinn C
2021-01-15 13:59:39 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
Chat and gaming, so the vast majority of the Internet for most people
since few have never even heard of USENET.
I smell anti-elite elitism.

I see nothing wrong with people using chat and games, but I likewise
expect them to see nothing wrong with me not having used these things
much.

It's not just Usenet. My entrance point to the Internet was BBSs, which
worked similar to Usenet. Then there were Webforums etc.
Post by Lewis
ASL was almost only used in various chat platforms (ICQ, IRC, etc). (Not
American Sign Language, Age/Sex/Location).
But the point of the Internet was not to reveal those.
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Lewis
2021-01-15 18:21:26 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
Chat and gaming, so the vast majority of the Internet for most people
since few have never even heard of USENET.
I smell anti-elite elitism.
I see nothing wrong with people using chat and games, but I likewise
expect them to see nothing wrong with me not having used these things
much.
Who said there was anything wrong. The FACT is more people played Call
of Duty than the sum total of all people who have ever used Usenet, and
that's one game. The newest version of the game, all by itself, had
76,000,000 players in 5 months. In November 2020, they recorded 110
million unique players in that month.

<https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110000/call-of-duty-warzone-players/>
Post by Quinn C
It's not just Usenet. My entrance point to the Internet was BBSs, which
worked similar to Usenet. Then there were Webforums etc.
The lingo on BBSes was very different from Usenet or Internet chat
programs.
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
ASL was almost only used in various chat platforms (ICQ, IRC, etc). (Not
American Sign Language, Age/Sex/Location).
But the point of the Internet was not to reveal those.
Maybe the slice of the Internet you were on, that was never true in
general.

One of my oldest friends I've known since we were in high school. We met
on a local BBS. We've know each other over 30 years. He has had three
long-term partners since high school, all of whom he met online,
including his wife. The first one he met in, i think, 1987.

I know plenty of people who have friends they met on Compuserv or AOL or
Prodigy. I have friends in Europe that I have known for 20 years who I
have never met in person, but I talk to some of them most everyday and
the others several times a month.
--
This is our music from the bachelor's den, the sound of loneliness
turned up to ten. A harsh soundtrack from a stagnant waterbed and
it sounds just like this. This is the sound of someone losing the
plot making out that they're OK when they're not. You're gonna
like it, but not a lot. And the chorus goes like this...
Quinn C
2021-01-16 01:18:19 UTC
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Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
Chat and gaming, so the vast majority of the Internet for most people
since few have never even heard of USENET.
I smell anti-elite elitism.
I see nothing wrong with people using chat and games, but I likewise
expect them to see nothing wrong with me not having used these things
much.
Who said there was anything wrong.
We were discussing abbreviations that "anyone who has used the Internet
for years" could be expected to know.

I believe that this does cover LOL and ROTFL, but not certain others
that were limited to certain corners of the Internet. Even if they were
big corners.
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
It's not just Usenet. My entrance point to the Internet was BBSs, which
worked similar to Usenet. Then there were Webforums etc.
The lingo on BBSes was very different from Usenet or Internet chat
programs.
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
ASL was almost only used in various chat platforms (ICQ, IRC, etc). (Not
American Sign Language, Age/Sex/Location).
But the point of the Internet was not to reveal those.
Maybe the slice of the Internet you were on, that was never true in
general.
The humorous exaggeration seems to have whooshed you.

It was an important social innovation that you could have that degree of
interaction without revealing much about your person. But of course it
wasn't "the point" of the Internet.

The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the first
killer app of the Internet.
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Lewis
2021-01-16 09:16:29 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Ken Blake
Of all the common such abbreviations, "ROFL" is perhaps the most common.
It's certainly common, but most common? No, that would have to be LOL.
Also more common are probably AFK and OMG. On Usenet and among nerds,
RTFM is going to be right up there, if not ahead, but not in general
use.
I didn't know AFK without looking it up (by pointing the mouse to it,
because my newsreader knows.) So I believe that was domain-specific.
Chat, I guess, since it's not useful on Usenet.
Chat and gaming, so the vast majority of the Internet for most people
since few have never even heard of USENET.
I smell anti-elite elitism.
I see nothing wrong with people using chat and games, but I likewise
expect them to see nothing wrong with me not having used these things
much.
Who said there was anything wrong.
We were discussing abbreviations that "anyone who has used the Internet
for years" could be expected to know.
Once again, and we've been over this many times "everyone" (and
"anyone") does not mean ever single one in common usage, it means "the
large majority of".
Post by Quinn C
I believe that this does cover LOL and ROTFL, but not certain others
that were limited to certain corners of the Internet. Even if they were
big corners.
Online chat and online gaming are not a corner of the Internet, they are
the vast majority of how people use the Internet to communicate.
Certainly more than Usenet and more even than email.
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
Post by Quinn C
It's not just Usenet. My entrance point to the Internet was BBSs, which
worked similar to Usenet. Then there were Webforums etc.
The lingo on BBSes was very different from Usenet or Internet chat
programs.
Post by Quinn C
Post by Lewis
ASL was almost only used in various chat platforms (ICQ, IRC, etc). (Not
American Sign Language, Age/Sex/Location).
But the point of the Internet was not to reveal those.
Maybe the slice of the Internet you were on, that was never true in
general.
The humorous exaggeration seems to have whooshed you.
It was an important social innovation that you could have that degree of
interaction without revealing much about your person. But of course it
wasn't "the point" of the Internet.
Certainly that was a common belief for many people, but it was never
true. The belief is still somewhat common, and there are many things on
the Internet that allow you to be anonymous, but the Internet was also
always used for socializing.

I've been on the Internet continuously since the 80s. I've been doing
this a long time.
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the first
killer app of the Internet.
And chat and rchat and forum software and hunt and mTrek and mudds,

The social aspects were always there. And as soon as you were talking to
someone in real-time or near-real-time, a lot of ways to tell the other
person, essentially, "I might not respond right away, or not as soon as
you might expect" were used, and mostly these became abbreviations.
GTG, BBL, BRB, AFK, DOF, AGSO, and many others I've forgotten all meant,
essentially, the same thing, "Something happening, I won’t respond right
away." and which you used varied by where you were.

AFK was special because it meant you would not be bale to use the
keybaord at all, which was more important in multi-user games, so that
is the terms that was, and still is, most used there. But it was also
used on IRC and ICQ and AIM. Most games have a "AFK" command, and mIRC
had several settings relating to how to behave when you were AFK. World
of Warcraft puts an AFK tag on your characters name if you haven't
touched the keyboard for awhile.

But to get back to the point, yes, I expect that anyone who used the
Internet for any length of time would know what means. And again, for
everyone feel free to substitute "90% of everyone" if that makes you
feel better.

Be sure and do that also, although with a much smaller percentage, if
someone tells you "I know everyone in this town." Or really, whenever
anyone says "every" or "any" or "none" or "no one" or anything even
similar.
--
Supposing there was justice for all, after all? For every unheeded
beggar, every harsh word, every neglected duty, every slight...
every choice... Because that was the point, wasn't it? You had to
choose. You might be right, you might be wrong, but you had to
choose, knowing that the rightness or wrongness might never be
clear or even that you were deciding between two sorts of wrong,
that there was no right anywhere. And always, always, you did it
by yourself. You were the one there, on the edge, watching and
listening. Never any tears, never any apology, never any
regrets... You saved all that up in a way that could be used when
needed. --Carpe Jugulum
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-16 11:32:43 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.

[]
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Lewis
2021-01-16 13:37:41 UTC
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[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Avenue Q fan, I assume.
--
A healthy male adult bore consumes each year one and a half times his own
weight in other people's patience.
-- John Updike
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-16 20:15:23 UTC
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[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a
BBS with some windows into it), the point was accessing research
results from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course
email, the first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering
"porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great
work/play times.
Avenue Q fan, I assume.
Not quite that wild!
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
RH Draney
2021-01-16 20:43:37 UTC
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At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Accurate but not complete...the correct answer is "porn and cats"....r
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-16 21:54:15 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Accurate but not complete...the correct answer is "porn and cats"....r
Porn on the internet has been around for a long time. That film was
only released in 2019.

(Maybe a porn version of "Cats" would have been more successful.)
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
charles
2021-01-16 22:05:28 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Accurate but not complete...the correct answer is "porn and cats"....r
Porn on the internet has been around for a long time. That film was
only released in 2019.
(Maybe a porn version of "Cats" would have been more successful.)
Way back when home video tape recorders were rare, a colleague called his a
"Pornograph"
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
RH Draney
2021-01-16 23:36:58 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by RH Draney
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Accurate but not complete...the correct answer is "porn and cats"....r
Porn on the internet has been around for a long time. That film was
only released in 2019.
(Maybe a porn version of "Cats" would have been more successful.)
Way back when home video tape recorders were rare, a colleague called his a
"Pornograph"
Used to know a guy who claimed he had a pornographic memory....r
J. J. Lodder
2021-01-17 09:49:17 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
Accurate but not complete...the correct answer is "porn and cats"....r
Porn on the internet has been around for a long time. That film was
only released in 2019.
(Maybe a porn version of "Cats" would have been more successful.)
They did Batman vs Catwoman, but they never got down to the verso,

Jan
Quinn C
2021-01-16 23:20:52 UTC
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[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.

| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
b***@shaw.ca
2021-01-16 23:39:52 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or seen,
which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity in aue.
Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.

bill
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-01-17 08:07:24 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or seen,
which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity in aue.
Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
+1
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Ken Blake
2021-01-17 13:19:20 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or seen,
which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity in aue.
Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
+1
I also agree. Abbreviations should always be avoided, unless they are so
common that almost everyone knows them.
--
Ken
CDB
2021-01-17 14:43:48 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
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Post by Quinn C
In message
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as
opposed to a BBS with some windows into it), the point
was accessing research results from various places
(using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the first
killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by
answering "porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had
some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find
online fits the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet | PPOE Professional Peace
Officer Education | PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's
Toolbox, Inc.) | PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality
management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard
or seen, which is a good indication they are not used with any
regularity in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this
regard.
+1
I also agree. Abbreviations should always be avoided, unless they
are so common that almost everyone knows them.
People here have always* made obscure jokes, played games, and set
little puzzles for the group. The approved reaction is to try to find
the answer yourself and respond in the same vein, or (if still puzzled
and curious) confess yourself whooshed.
_______________________
*FSVO "always". Since I've been reading here.
Peter Moylan
2021-01-18 00:29:36 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by b***@shaw.ca
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never
heard or seen, which is a good indication they are not used
with any regularity in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender
in this regard.
+1
I also agree. Abbreviations should always be avoided, unless they
are so common that almost everyone knows them.
People here have always* made obscure jokes, played games, and set
little puzzles for the group. The approved reaction is to try to
find the answer yourself and respond in the same vein, or (if still
puzzled and curious) confess yourself whooshed.
_______________________ *FSVO "always". Since I've been reading
here.
I will go to that trouble in the case of someone with a record of being
a witty poster. When it's just a matter of an obscure initialism, it's
not worth the effort.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
CDB
2021-01-18 14:11:01 UTC
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Post by CDB
Post by Ken Blake
Post by b***@shaw.ca
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never
heard or seen, which is a good indication they are not used
with any regularity in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender
in this regard.
+1
I also agree. Abbreviations should always be avoided, unless they
are so common that almost everyone knows them.
People here have always* made obscure jokes, played games, and set
little puzzles for the group.  The approved reaction is to try to
find the answer yourself and respond in the same vein, or (if still
puzzled and curious) confess yourself whooshed.
_______________________ *FSVO "always".  Since I've been reading
here.
I will go to that trouble in the case of someone with a record of being
a witty poster. When it's just a matter of an obscure initialism, it's
not worth the effort.
It depends on how vital the initialism is to getting the message. The
Mudge has said that the one in question was a peripheral phrase, or
externality.
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-17 15:49:54 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:16:29 GMT, Lewis
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a
BBS with some windows into it), the point was accessing research
results from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course
email, the first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering
"porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great
work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online
fits the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or
seen, which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity
in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
bill
Offender? I prefer user.

Previous Place of Employment. But you *could* look it up.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Ken Blake
2021-01-17 16:07:33 UTC
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Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Quinn C
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:16:29 GMT, Lewis
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a
BBS with some windows into it), the point was accessing research
results from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course
email, the first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering
"porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great
work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online
fits the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or
seen, which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity
in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
bill
Offender? I prefer user.
Previous Place of Employment. But you *could* look it up.
I'm with Bill. As far as I'm concerned, "offender" is the right word.
Yes, most abbreviations can be found by googling them, but that's
putting the onus on the reader rather than where it belongs, on the writer.
--
Ken
Lewis
2021-01-17 16:22:46 UTC
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Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Quinn C
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:16:29 GMT, Lewis
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a
BBS with some windows into it), the point was accessing research
results from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course
email, the first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering
"porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great
work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online
fits the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or
seen, which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity
in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
bill
Offender? I prefer user.
Previous Place of Employment. But you *could* look it up.
The original poster who asked DID look it up and came up with a handful
of meanings, none of which made sense.

The most common, and the only one I knew where the o is lowercase is
Point To Point Protocol over Ethernet, a method that was used by my ISP
back when I had DLS, though that is often PPPoE (my ISP used PPoE and
that is what I've seen and heard the most).

The Free Dictionary, usually pretty decent on this sort of thing, does
not list "Previous Place of Employment" as an option.

<https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PPOE>

I have never heard it as the OP intended it to be read, but I figured it
out on context, though it is not a phrase I would ever use myself as I
would say, "A place i used to work" or "a former workplace" or "A
previous job."
--
'Never build a dungeon you wouldn't be happy to spend the night in
yourself,' said the Patrician (...). 'The world would be a
happier place if more people remembered that.' --Guards! Guards!
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-17 16:32:32 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
Post by b***@shaw.ca
Post by Quinn C
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:16:29 GMT, Lewis
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to
a BBS with some windows into it), the point was accessing
research results from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And
of course email, the first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering
"porn" to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great
work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online
fits the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or
seen, which is a good indication they are not used with any
regularity in aue. Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this
regard.
bill
Offender? I prefer user.
Previous Place of Employment. But you *could* look it up.
The original poster who asked DID look it up and came up with a
handful of meanings, none of which made sense.
The most common, and the only one I knew where the o is lowercase is
Point To Point Protocol over Ethernet, a method that was used by my
ISP back when I had DLS, though that is often PPPoE (my ISP used PPoE
and that is what I've seen and heard the most).
The Free Dictionary, usually pretty decent on this sort of thing, does
not list "Previous Place of Employment" as an option.
<https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PPOE>
I have never heard it as the OP intended it to be read, but I figured
it out on context, though it is not a phrase I would ever use myself
as I would say, "A place i used to work" or "a former workplace" or "A
previous job."
My apologies; I thought it was well-known, and it wasn't important to the
context. Hope This Helps.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Snidely
2021-01-19 01:42:52 UTC
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[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
I get annoyed when posters here use initialisms I've never heard or seen,
which is a good indication they are not used with any regularity in aue.
Kerrmudgeon is a frequent offender in this regard.
No, he's an inventor. Many of his initialisms are nonce usages.

/dps
--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"

" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-17 01:44:46 UTC
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[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Previous Place of Employment.

Very commonly used in a number of newsgroups (almost as common as
WIWAL), but not this one, apparently.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Kerr-Mudd,John
2021-01-17 15:59:25 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Previous Place of Employment.
Very commonly used in a number of newsgroups (almost as common as
WIWAL), but not this one, apparently.
GTHYO (just made up)












Glad To Have You On-broad.

It's JABOF. (obscureish 80's comedy catchphrase? - Mary Whitehouse
Experience?)
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Quinn C
2021-01-17 21:27:18 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Previous Place of Employment.
Very commonly used in a number of newsgroups
Employment-related ones, maybe? I don't see a lot of need for it.
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-17 22:20:58 UTC
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Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
[]
Post by Quinn C
The first years when I used the actual Internet (as opposed to a BBS
with some windows into it), the point was accessing research results
from various places (using WAIS and FTP.) And of course email, the
first killer app of the Internet.
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Previous Place of Employment.
Very commonly used in a number of newsgroups
Employment-related ones, maybe?
I've never discovered such a newsgroup (but then I've never looked for one).

I don't see a lot of need for it.

That's fine.
It's quite common here in aue for people to mention the behaviour of
someone they once worked with, or some place where they once worked.
After a few such exchanges, an abbreviation such as this creeps in quite
naturally.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Joy Beeson
2021-01-19 02:33:11 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
Previous Place of Employment.
Very commonly used in a number of newsgroups (almost as common as
WIWAL), but not this one, apparently.
I wish that "DH", "DW", "DF", etc. had escaped the confines of The Big
Knitlist the way "frog" did. It was so convenient to have a brief way
to say "person important to me whose name is totally meaningless to
you".

As a knitting term, "frog" means "to undo knitting by pulling the
needles out and pulling on the yarn, rrrippit, rrrippit, rrrippit".
This is contrasted with un-knitting stitch by stitch.

As it travelled, it lost the unravelling sense and is often used to
mean undoing in general -- I think I've seen it applied to work thats
harder to pick out than to put in.

The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear" and
sometimes meant "darn".
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
RH Draney
2021-01-19 07:04:44 UTC
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The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear" and
sometimes meant "darn".
Until it was explained to me, I assumed it meant "divorced"....r
Peter Moylan
2021-01-19 09:21:34 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear" and
sometimes meant "darn".
Until it was explained to me, I assumed it meant "divorced"....r
The abbreviations used by ham radio enthusiasts used YL for "young
lady", and XYL for "wife".

(It was a male-dominated hobby.)
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
RH Draney
2021-01-19 10:20:48 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Joy Beeson
The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear" and
sometimes meant "darn".
Until it was explained to me, I assumed it meant "divorced"....r
The abbreviations used by ham radio enthusiasts used YL for "young
lady", and XYL for "wife".
(It was a male-dominated hobby.)
And OL for "old lady", which later collided with the same initialism in
Japan for "office lady" (the woman who brings the cart round with the
coffee)....r
Peter Moylan
2021-01-19 12:18:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by RH Draney
Post by Joy Beeson
The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear"
and sometimes meant "darn".
Until it was explained to me, I assumed it meant "divorced"....r
The abbreviations used by ham radio enthusiasts used YL for "young
lady", and XYL for "wife".
(It was a male-dominated hobby.)
And OL for "old lady", which later collided with the same initialism
in Japan for "office lady" (the woman who brings the cart round with
the coffee)....r
And LOL for "little old lady", an essential phrase for anyone who wanted
to learn how to yodel.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Quinn C
2021-01-19 15:05:25 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
The "D" in "DH", according to the FAQ, sometimes meant "dear" and
sometimes meant "darn".
Until it was explained to me, I assumed it meant "divorced"....r
My newsreader suggests that DH can stand for dear hubby, dumb hubby,
deaf hubby or dickhead. It doesn't explain to what extent these are
synonyms.
--
...an explanatory principle - like "gravity" or "instinct" -
really explains nothing. It's a sort of conventional agreement
between scientists to stop trying to explain things at a
certain point. -- Gregory Bateson
Peter Moylan
2021-01-17 04:07:33 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
It can only be the first of these, because that is the only one where
the 'o' is always in lower case.

In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more. ROTFL is known to me from other newsgroups, and of course I
know a great many (PPoE, HTTP, FTP, FUBAR, SSH, etc.) from my
interaction with computing people, but the regulars in this group are
not given to using more than a handful of initialisms.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
RH Draney
2021-01-17 10:26:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more. ROTFL is known to me from other newsgroups, and of course I
know a great many (PPoE, HTTP, FTP, FUBAR, SSH, etc.) from my
interaction with computing people, but the regulars in this group are
not given to using more than a handful of initialisms.
There's also the term "ellefescence", which derives from an initialism....r
Peter Moylan
2021-01-17 10:33:11 UTC
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Post by RH Draney
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and
not many more. ROTFL is known to me from other newsgroups, and of
course I know a great many (PPoE, HTTP, FTP, FUBAR, SSH, etc.) from
my interaction with computing people, but the regulars in this
group are not given to using more than a handful of initialisms.
There's also the term "ellefescence", which derives from an
initialism....r
Quite right. At one time there was a suggestion that we should use the
word as often as possible, in an attempt to spread it beyond the bounds
of AUE. As far as I recall, though, we never agreed on a definition.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Ken Blake
2021-01-17 13:25:23 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
It can only be the first of these, because that is the only one where
the 'o' is always in lower case.
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?

Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey set to
translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example, if I type
"afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
--
Ken
musika
2021-01-17 13:31:28 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey set to
translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example, if I type
"afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
Stuck Tune Syndrome aka earworm.
I think it is peculiar to this group.
--
Ray
UK
CDB
2021-01-17 14:47:44 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK,
and not many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey
set to translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example,
if I type "afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
Stuck Tune Syndrome aka earworm. I think it is peculiar to this
group.
And of ellefescent origin.
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-17 19:13:54 UTC
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Post by musika
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey set
to translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example, if I
type "afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
Stuck Tune Syndrome aka earworm.
I think it is peculiar to this group.
I encounter it in more than one other newsgroup - where its use causes
no comment at all.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Quinn C
2021-01-17 21:15:32 UTC
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Post by musika
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Stuck Tune Syndrome aka earworm.
I think it is peculiar to this group.
But known to the Internet at large. Sometimes as "stuck song sundrome".
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-oct-07-cl-54288-story.html>

| For years, humans have been tortured by Stuck Tune Syndrome,
--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-17 22:27:05 UTC
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Post by Quinn C
Post by musika
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Stuck Tune Syndrome aka earworm.
I think it is peculiar to this group.
But known to the Internet at large. Sometimes as "stuck song sundrome".
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-oct-07-cl-54288-story.html>
?? The article seems to call it "Stuck Tune Syndrome".

I've never encountered "stuck song sundrome/syndrome" during my exposure
to 'the internet at large', but we all examine different parts of the
elephant.
--
Sam Plusnet
Wales, UK
Tony Cooper
2021-01-17 15:23:27 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
It can only be the first of these, because that is the only one where
the 'o' is always in lower case.
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey set to
translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example, if I type
"afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
Stuck Tune Syndrome...an affliction that Laura suffered from
frequently.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Ken Blake
2021-01-17 15:40:16 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Quinn C
Post by Kerr-Mudd,John
At a PPoE a chap I worked with passed his interview by answering "porn"
to "what is the internet used for?" We had some great work/play times.
There's another initialism I don't know. And nothing I find online fits
the context.
| PPOE Point-to-Point Over Ethernet
| PPOE Professional Peace Officer Education
| PPOE Primary Point of Escalation (Banker's Toolbox, Inc.)
| PPOE Primary Proof of Effectiveness (quality management)
It can only be the first of these, because that is the only one where
the 'o' is always in lower case.
In this newsgroup the common initialisms are WIWAL, STS, AFAIK, and not
many more.
I know all of those except STS. I just looked at
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/STS and I see there are many
possibilities. Which one is usually meant here?
Personally, I usually avoid using any of them. I have AutoHotkey set to
translate most of them into the full phrase, so for example, if I type
"afaik," it comes out "as far as I know."
Stuck Tune Syndrome...an affliction that Laura suffered from
frequently.
OK, you and Musika said the same thing, so it must be right. I don't
think I ever knew that, but if I did, I had forgotten.
--
Ken
Tony Cooper
2021-01-12 16:45:24 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.

The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.

But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Paul Carmichael
2021-01-12 17:14:46 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio
Tony Cooper
2021-01-12 17:20:57 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Paul Carmichael
2021-01-12 18:57:50 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these days of mega capacity
and processing power.

https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx

PS - I was going to snip but got a bit confused by the attributions.
--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio
Jerry Friedman
2021-01-12 20:15:10 UTC
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Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc.
That is, "short" is a sub-type of variable. A "short integer" variable is one
representing a positive or negative whole number that can't exceed some
number of digits. An "integer" variable has a higher limit on the number of
digits. Right?

(And the digits are bits.)

(I didn't think Tony had any idea of what you were talking about, but maybe
he'll deny this indignantly.)
Post by Paul Carmichael
Prolly not used so much these days of mega capacity
and processing power.
Since the purpose was to save memory by not allocating too much more
to a variable than it's likely to need, right?
Post by Paul Carmichael
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
PS - I was going to snip but got a bit confused by the attributions.
I tried a little.
--
Jerry Friedman
Tony Cooper
2021-01-12 20:57:48 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:15:10 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman
Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc.
That is, "short" is a sub-type of variable. A "short integer" variable is one
representing a positive or negative whole number that can't exceed some
number of digits. An "integer" variable has a higher limit on the number of
digits. Right?
(And the digits are bits.)
(I didn't think Tony had any idea of what you were talking about, but maybe
he'll deny this indignantly.)
Good thing you chimed in. I thought a short sub-type was one of
these:

https://www.gazette-drouot.com/en/sale/bel-ameublement-%2526-tableaux-provenant-d-une-propriete-du-comtat-venaissin/101107
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Ken Blake
2021-01-13 16:07:57 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc.
That is, "short" is a sub-type of variable. A "short integer" variable is one
representing a positive or negative whole number that can't exceed some
number of digits. An "integer" variable has a higher limit on the number of
digits. Right?
(And the digits are bits.)
To be technical, digits are the integers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or
9. Bits are 0 and 1,
--
Ken
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 01:40:01 UTC
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Post by Ken Blake
Post by Jerry Friedman
That is, "short" is a sub-type of variable. A "short integer"
variable is one representing a positive or negative whole number
that can't exceed some number of digits. An "integer" variable has
a higher limit on the number of digits. Right?
(And the digits are bits.)
To be technical, digits are the integers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
or 9. Bits are 0 and 1,
Where "bits" is an abbreviation for "binary digits".

In the octal number system, 8 and 9 are not digits. In hexadecimal,
there are six extra digits.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Mark Brader
2021-01-14 03:06:17 UTC
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..."bits" is an abbreviation for "binary digits".
No, a blend or portmanteau word.

And a singularly well-chosen one, considering the basic meaning of "bit".
--
Mark Brader | I hate to get pedantic [*], but...
Toronto | [*] I also lie a lot.
***@vex.net | --Jerry Friedman
Snidely
2021-01-13 06:43:21 UTC
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Just this Tuesday, Paul Carmichael explained that ...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A
sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these days of
mega capacity and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short". We
tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary of trying
to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine. (Until the
PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only had words.)

/dps
--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013
Peter Moylan
2021-01-13 10:17:44 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Just this Tuesday, Paul Carmichael explained that ...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these
days of mega capacity and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short". We
tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary of
trying to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine.
(Until the PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only had
words.)
Fully agreed. "short int" is a silly type, because its size varies from
one machine to another. If we depart from using the default integer
type, it's usually not because we're trying to save memory. (Although
that might have been the case when 64k bytes was enough for anyone.)
It's because we're working in a problem domain - encryption, for
example, or network communication - where we want a precisely specified
width of our variables.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Jerry Friedman
2021-01-13 16:10:30 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Snidely
Just this Tuesday, Paul Carmichael explained that ...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these
days of mega capacity and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short". We
tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary of
trying to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine.
(Until the PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only had
words.)
Fully agreed. "short int" is a silly type, because its size varies from
one machine to another. If we depart from using the default integer
type, it's usually not because we're trying to save memory. (Although
that might have been the case when 64k bytes was enough for anyone.)
It's because we're working in a problem domain - encryption, for
example, or network communication - where we want a precisely specified
width of our variables.
Thanks.
--
Jerry Friedman
Mark Brader
2021-01-14 00:24:13 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Fully agreed. "short int" is a silly type, because its size varies from
one machine to another. If we depart from using the default integer
type, it's usually not because we're trying to save memory...
It's because we're working in a problem domain - encryption, for
example, or network communication - where we want a precisely specified
width of our variables.
Then you shouldn't be writing in C. It doesn't have that concept.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | Typos are a journalistic tradition of long
***@vex.net | etaoin shrdlu. -- Truly Donovan
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 01:53:36 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Fully agreed. "short int" is a silly type, because its size varies
from one machine to another. If we depart from using the default
integer type, it's usually not because we're trying to save
memory... It's because we're working in a problem domain -
encryption, for example, or network communication - where we want
a precisely specified width of our variables.
Then you shouldn't be writing in C. It doesn't have that concept.
I write in C only when an employer requires it. Most of my software is
written in Modula-2. At present I'm working on a project (an
implementation of SSH) where the data type CARD8 is very heavily used.

It's true that this is very similar to the C type uint8, but I suspect
that you are right: the relevant C standards only specify the range of
values of a uint8 variable, not how much space it takes up in memory. In
practice, though, a C uint8 will end up stored in a byte.

One of the biggest cross-language compatibility problems I have found is
with the BOOLEAN data type. Although C doesn't officially have such a
type, much C library software passes Booleans as 32-bit quantities.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Ken Blake
2021-01-13 16:13:53 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
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Post by Paul Carmichael
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A
sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these days of
mega capacity and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short". We
tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary of trying
to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine. (Until the
PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only had words.)
I don't know much about DEC machines, but going back somewhat farther
than the PDP-11, the IBM 1401 had neither bytes nor words. It had 6-bit
characters.
--
Ken
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2021-01-13 16:27:15 UTC
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Post by Snidely
Just this Tuesday, Paul Carmichael explained that ...
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears.
A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these days
of mega capacity and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short". We
tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary of trying
to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine. (Until the
PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only had words.)
I don't know much about DEC machines, but going back somewhat farther
than the PDP-11, the IBM 1401 had neither bytes nor words. It had 6-bit
characters.
I'm trying to remember (without a lot of success) what the CDC 6400 had
-- 10-bit words, maybe.
--
Athel -- British, living in France for 34 years
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 02:18:37 UTC
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Post by Snidely
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short".
We tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary
of trying to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine.
(Until the PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only
had words.)
I don't know much about DEC machines, but going back somewhat
farther than the PDP-11, the IBM 1401 had neither bytes nor words. It
had 6-bit characters.
As I recall it, the PDP-10 had 5-bit characters packed into 36-bit
words. (So one bit was wasted with this scheme.) I think there were
packing and unpacking instructions to move characters into and out of words.

The PDP-11 was DEC's first computer to have full support for byte
storage. Its predecessor the PDP-8 had 12-bit words. I believe that
several other PDP computers had 18-bit words, but I never used those.

The numbering of the PDP computers was never clear to me. I think the
order of introduction was PDP-1 (1959), PDP-4 (1962), PDP-6 (1964),
PDP-7 (1964), PDP-8 (1965), PDP-9 (1966), PDP-10 (1966), PDP-12 (1969),
PDP-14 (?), PDP-11 (1970), PDP-15 (1970). But these don't represent a
single line of development. Instead, there was one line with 18-bit
words, another with 12-bit words, one computer with 36-bit words, and
one with 16-bit words. These different lines were largely unrelated to
one another.

Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy differences
that can be described as "the IBM approach" and "the DEC approach".
Later, the Intel microprocessors were designed by people who had worked
with IBM equipment, and the Motorola ones were designed by people with a
DEC background, and the difference shows.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Rich Ulrich
2021-01-14 04:23:17 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Ken Blake
Post by Snidely
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short".
We tend to use UINT8, UINT16, UINT32, UINT64. Someone got weary
of trying to remember how many bits fit into what on what machine.
(Until the PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only
had words.)
I don't know much about DEC machines, but going back somewhat
farther than the PDP-11, the IBM 1401 had neither bytes nor words. It
had 6-bit characters.
As I recall it, the PDP-10 had 5-bit characters packed into 36-bit
words. (So one bit was wasted with this scheme.) I think there were
packing and unpacking instructions to move characters into and out of words.
I knew the PDP-10 as the DEC-10. It had five 7-bit ASCII characters
in each 36-bit word. I know I saw some sort of move-char commands
in code that I once patched. I was told that they were machine-level
commands, but that was never a concern to me.

The only place I ever ran into 5-bit characters was in one particular
use on the IBM-1132 (ours had 32K 16-bit words).

The 5-bit characters were used in the storage of file names in the
file directory (capital-letter alphabit, plus 6 I-don't-know). The
file names were stored in 32 bits (two words) with 30 bits used for
for 6 characters and the other two bits encoding the "extension".
The three types of extension I recall were EXE, REL, and DAT.
Post by Peter Moylan
The PDP-11 was DEC's first computer to have full support for byte
storage. Its predecessor the PDP-8 had 12-bit words. I believe that
several other PDP computers had 18-bit words, but I never used those.
The numbering of the PDP computers was never clear to me. I think the
order of introduction was PDP-1 (1959), PDP-4 (1962), PDP-6 (1964),
PDP-7 (1964), PDP-8 (1965), PDP-9 (1966), PDP-10 (1966), PDP-12 (1969),
PDP-14 (?), PDP-11 (1970), PDP-15 (1970). But these don't represent a
single line of development. Instead, there was one line with 18-bit
words, another with 12-bit words, one computer with 36-bit words, and
one with 16-bit words. These different lines were largely unrelated to
one another.
Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy differences
that can be described as "the IBM approach" and "the DEC approach".
Later, the Intel microprocessors were designed by people who had worked
with IBM equipment, and the Motorola ones were designed by people with a
DEC background, and the difference shows.
I don't see how a variation in word size defines "the DEC approach."

From what I have understood, IBM mainframes maximized batch
execution and efficient use of disks. JCL ("job control language")
carefully defined where a program would find its files.

In contrast, DEC had more provision for interactive use, like,
allowing programs to find and open data-files by name (in the
running program, not in the JCL).
--
Rich Ulrich
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 05:13:07 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:37 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
As I recall it, the PDP-10 had 5-bit characters packed into 36-bit
words. (So one bit was wasted with this scheme.) I think there were
packing and unpacking instructions to move characters into and out of words.
I knew the PDP-10 as the DEC-10. It had five 7-bit ASCII characters
in each 36-bit word. I know I saw some sort of move-char commands in
code that I once patched. I was told that they were machine-level
commands, but that was never a concern to me.
Thanks. I remembered that back to front, then.
Post by Rich Ulrich
The only place I ever ran into 5-bit characters was in one
particular use on the IBM-1132 (ours had 32K 16-bit words).
My introduction to computers was in a vacation job I had as a student.
Our installation had a PDP-8S which was used to communicate with a
microwave link, which connected with a remote mainframe (a
CDC-something, I think). We punched our programs onto 5-bit paper tape,
from which they went over the link. The results came back the same way.
We were allowed to use 5 minutes of mainframe time twice a day.
Post-processing, like turning numerical tables into graphs, was done on
the PDP-8.

The five-bit character set included "shift-in" and "shift-out" codes,
which expanded the character set to about 60 characters.
Post by Rich Ulrich
The 5-bit characters were used in the storage of file names in the
file directory (capital-letter alphabit, plus 6 I-don't-know). The
file names were stored in 32 bits (two words) with 30 bits used for
for 6 characters and the other two bits encoding the "extension". The
three types of extension I recall were EXE, REL, and DAT.
That sounds like the SQUOZE (from the past tense of squeeze) system of
packing alphanumeric strings. DEC had a similar system called either
"mod 40" or "radix 50". (The two names make sense if you understand octal.)
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 05:23:53 UTC
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Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:37 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy
differences that can be described as "the IBM approach" and "the
DEC approach". Later, the Intel microprocessors were designed by
people who had worked with IBM equipment, and the Motorola ones
were designed by people with a DEC background, and the difference
shows.
I don't see how a variation in word size defines "the DEC approach."
Sorry, I should have included this in my last reply.

The word size difference wasn't important. The important design
difference was in the regularity of the instruction set. IBM machine
languages leaned more towards having a number of special-case
instructions, given what ultimately became known as the CISC (complex
instruction set) approach. The machine languages of DEC computers showed
a lot more regularity, so that all instructions fell into a small number
of possible types. It wasn't exactly RISC, but it was leaning that way.

This also showed up in the hardware design. The early DEC computers were
highly modular, having one circuit board for arithmetic, one for
instruction fetching, etc. I never got into the insides of an IBM
computer, but I gather that they were more complex in terms of the
electronics.

The difference is stark if you compare the assembly languages of, for
example, the Intel 8080 and the Motorola 6800. Processors of similar
power, but programming them was very different.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Snidely
2021-01-14 06:18:38 UTC
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Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:37 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy
differences that can be described as "the IBM approach" and "the
DEC approach". Later, the Intel microprocessors were designed by
people who had worked with IBM equipment, and the Motorola ones
were designed by people with a DEC background, and the difference
shows.
I don't see how a variation in word size defines "the DEC approach."
Sorry, I should have included this in my last reply.
The word size difference wasn't important. The important design
difference was in the regularity of the instruction set. IBM machine
languages leaned more towards having a number of special-case
instructions, given what ultimately became known as the CISC (complex
instruction set) approach. The machine languages of DEC computers showed
a lot more regularity, so that all instructions fell into a small number
of possible types. It wasn't exactly RISC, but it was leaning that way.
The PDP-10 was no where near RISC. The PDP-8 was sorta RISC because
what else can you do in 12 bits? The 1-7-9-15 line was kinda in
between. In those days, everything except the 10 was primarily
intended for science or process control.

The PDP-11 was very different from other DEC computers, with a small
number of registers for speed but able to act on memory locations by
virture of hidden access to the ALU (caveat: I read the PDP-11 asm
book long before I could touch a PDP-11, so I'm unlikely to have had
gotten the full flavor) (Also, early PDP-11s still had core, IIRC)
(Also, PDP-11s dropped I/O instructions and instead treated hardware
interfaces as [volatile] memory.)
Post by Peter Moylan
This also showed up in the hardware design. The early DEC computers were
highly modular, having one circuit board for arithmetic,
Ha! Our PDP-8 had a whole bunch of 3"x5" (or pretty close to that)
circuit boards that were *1 flipflop each*. Wire-wrap backplane. The
8S was a lot smaller (weekend case instead of steamer trunk) because
the ALU was basically 1 bit wide, and the operands were processed in a
serial form. Technically, the 'S' stood for "serial", but everyone
knew it as "slow".
Post by Peter Moylan
one for
instruction fetching, etc. I never got into the insides of an IBM
computer, but I gather that they were more complex in terms of the
electronics.
IBM design owed a lot to card sorters (as in the Thomas Watson version
of the US Census) and those to Jacquard looms.
Post by Peter Moylan
The difference is stark if you compare the assembly languages of, for
example, the Intel 8080 and the Motorola 6800. Processors of similar
power, but programming them was very different.
The 8080 was probably influenced by calculator design, as the first
Intel microprocessor (the 4004) was done for that job.

The 6502, which appeared in a lot game consoles and then Commodores and
Apples, was different again.

I don't know what the influence of CDC and Sperry and Univac was on
later processors. GE's influence appears minimal, but they were the
leader in timesharing for a long while, and Multics was going to be on
GE hardware, and the software design of that influenced Unix
timesharing even though Unix started as a game playing environment and
didn't become an OS (even in concept) until after the Multics plug was
pulled.

/dps
--
Trust, but verify.
Rich Ulrich
2021-01-14 17:41:02 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:37 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy
differences that can be described as "the IBM approach" and "the
DEC approach". Later, the Intel microprocessors were designed by
people who had worked with IBM equipment, and the Motorola ones
were designed by people with a DEC background, and the difference
shows.
I don't see how a variation in word size defines "the DEC approach."
Sorry, I should have included this in my last reply.
The word size difference wasn't important. The important design
difference was in the regularity of the instruction set. IBM machine
languages leaned more towards having a number of special-case
instructions, given what ultimately became known as the CISC (complex
instruction set) approach. The machine languages of DEC computers showed
a lot more regularity, so that all instructions fell into a small number
of possible types. It wasn't exactly RISC, but it was leaning that way.
Thanks for the replies.

After I stopped reading about RISC computing (partly because I
stopped subscribing to Byte, etc.), I eventually wondered what
had happened to that whole idea. Standard news articles no longer
mentioned it.

Then I discovered that RISC had not disappeared, but had
become an embedded acronym (as in "arm").
Post by Peter Moylan
This also showed up in the hardware design. The early DEC computers were
highly modular, having one circuit board for arithmetic, one for
instruction fetching, etc. I never got into the insides of an IBM
computer, but I gather that they were more complex in terms of the
electronics.
The difference is stark if you compare the assembly languages of, for
example, the Intel 8080 and the Motorola 6800. Processors of similar
power, but programming them was very different.
--
Rich Ulrich
Peter Moylan
2021-01-14 23:42:04 UTC
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:53 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Rich Ulrich
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:37 +1100, Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Moylan
Still, it's possible to see significant design philosophy
differences that can be described as "the IBM approach" and
"the DEC approach". Later, the Intel microprocessors were
designed by people who had worked with IBM equipment, and the
Motorola ones were designed by people with a DEC background,
and the difference shows.
I don't see how a variation in word size defines "the DEC
approach."
Sorry, I should have included this in my last reply.
The word size difference wasn't important. The important design
difference was in the regularity of the instruction set. IBM
machine languages leaned more towards having a number of
special-case instructions, given what ultimately became known as
the CISC (complex instruction set) approach. The machine languages
of DEC computers showed a lot more regularity, so that all
instructions fell into a small number of possible types. It wasn't
exactly RISC, but it was leaning that way.
Thanks for the replies.
After I stopped reading about RISC computing (partly because I
stopped subscribing to Byte, etc.), I eventually wondered what had
happened to that whole idea. Standard news articles no longer
mentioned it.
Then I discovered that RISC had not disappeared, but had become an
embedded acronym (as in "arm").
The early ARM processors stuck closely to the RISC ideal, but then
manufacturers succumbed to the temptation to add special-case
instructions. The result has been a whole series of ARM standards, with
each version being somewhat different from the last. In my opinion the
end result is a mess architecturally, with the original RISC design
overlaid with messy and confusing extensions. Nevertheless, it remains
true that ARM processors are impressively powerful, and eminently
suitable for embedded applications. I've worked with two different
models while involved in the design of intelligent relays, and they're a
pleasure to work with once you get past the confusing documentation.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW
Mark Brader
2021-01-14 06:43:49 UTC
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I knew the PDP-10 as the DEC-10.
DECsystem-10 was the full name.
Post by Rich Ulrich
The only place I ever ran into 5-bit characters was in one particular
use on the IBM-1132 (ours had 32K 16-bit words).
5-bit characters are older than electronic computers. The Baudot
codes used by early Teletype-style teleprinters were 5 bits, using
shift characters to produce a sufficiently large character set.
I never used those character sets myself, though.
--
Mark Brader "Well, I didn't completely test it, and
Toronto of course there was a power failure the
***@vex.net next day." -- Louis J. Judice

My text in this article is in the public domain.
Lewis
2021-01-14 09:52:53 UTC
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Post by Mark Brader
Post by Rich Ulrich
I knew the PDP-10 as the DEC-10.
DECsystem-10 was the full name.
Post by Rich Ulrich
The only place I ever ran into 5-bit characters was in one particular
use on the IBM-1132 (ours had 32K 16-bit words).
5-bit characters are older than electronic computers. The Baudot
codes used by early Teletype-style teleprinters were 5 bits, using
shift characters to produce a sufficiently large character set.
I never used those character sets myself, though.
Morse code was 5 bit (if you include the numbers, the letters were 1-4
bits depending on the letter).

E .
t -
I ..
M - -
A . -
N - .

I think only JQXYZ were 4 bits?

All the numbers were 5 bits, but I have no idea what the pattern was
other than 0 was - - - - -
--
Wherever the worm turns, he is still a worm.
Jerry Friedman
2021-01-14 14:51:47 UTC
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...
Post by Lewis
5-bit characters are older than electronic computers. The Baudot
codes used by early Teletype-style teleprinters were 5 bits, using
shift characters to produce a sufficiently large character set.
I never used those character sets myself, though.
Morse code was 5 bit (if you include the numbers, the letters were 1-4
bits depending on the letter).
E .
t -
I ..
M - -
A . -
N - .
...

Are those bits? I'd think Morse had three characters: dot, dash, and
pause or space or whatever you call it.
--
Jerry Friedman
Paul Carmichael
2021-01-13 16:40:53 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may
have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be.   If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Short is a sub-type. Short int etc. Prolly not used so much these days of mega capacity
and processing power.
https://www.includehelp.com/c/difference-between-short-short-int-and-int-data-types-in-c-programming.aspx
People who care about that subtype prolly don't refer to "short".  We tend to use UINT8,
UINT16, UINT32, UINT64.  Someone got weary of trying to remember how many bits fit into
what on what machine.  (Until the PDP-11, most Dec machines didn't have bytes, they only
had words.)
I used to code multiple platforms and we had macros for all that sort of stuff as well.
Doesn't stop the short type existing though. It was very popular back in the day.
--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio
Snidely
2021-01-13 06:38:03 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
See
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/c/hFkehq_M6Xk/m/pnzZUupMCwAJ>
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as
the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A
sentence may have got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Programming only has shortcuts. Shorts will refer to hardware or
wovenware.

I'd say Tony has gotten a grip on the passage. I will also note that a
certain party didn't announce Howard's score as also 0 for 2.

/dps "hardware shorts let the magic smoke out"
--
As a colleague once told me about an incoming manager,
"He does very well in a suck-up, kick-down culture."
Bill in Vancouver
Peter T. Daniels
2021-01-13 15:03:35 UTC
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Programming only has shortcuts. Shorts will refer to hardware or
wovenware.
weaveware?

We already have knitwear.
Ken Blake
2021-01-13 16:04:14 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Does anyone say "shorts in a twist"? I thought it was always "knickers
in a twist."
--
Ken
Tony Cooper
2021-01-13 17:08:43 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Does anyone say "shorts in a twist"? I thought it was always "knickers
in a twist."
I would have thought Bart Simpson, but it turns out that Oswald Rabbit
is the answer:

https://scrooge-mcduck.fandom.com/wiki/Confidence

According to this source, http://wordlust.blogspot.com/2005/03/

there are multiple versions of the same idiom:

get one's monkeys in a bunch
idiom. Become annoyed, just as one would understandably become annoyed
while wearing constricting, uncomfortable unmentionables.

Related terms: get one's panties in a bunch, get one's pantyhose in a
bunch, get one's Calvins in a bunch, get one's buns in a bunch, get
one's britches in a bunch, get one's ideology in a bunch, get one's
ego in a bunch, get one's tampon in a bunch, get one's nuts in a
bunch, get one's whiskers in a bunch, get one's boxers in a bunch, get
one's balls in a bunch, get one's balls in a bunch, get one's beanie
in a bunch, get sand in one's vagina, get one's thong in a twist, get
one's knickers in a twist, get one's panties in a twist, get one's
Nicholson in a twist, get one's chakras in a twist, get one's cables
in a twist, get one's toga in a twist, get one's noodles in a twist,
get one's kilt in a twist, get one's nightie in a twist, get one's
undies in a twist, get one's mind in a twist, get one's shorts in a
twist, get one's skirt in a twist, get one's trolleys in a twist, get
one's tonsils in a twist, get one's turban in a twist, get one's
skivvies in a twist, get one's extremities in a twist, get one's
bollocks in a twist.
--
Tony Cooper Orlando Florida
Lewis
2021-01-14 04:53:52 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:14:46 +0100, Paul Carmichael
Post by Paul Carmichael
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
Wasn't it about programming?, so shorts may not be the kind one wears. A sentence may have
got twisted.
If there are non-wearable shorts in programming, I'm not aware of what
they might be. If so, can a program get its shorts in a twist?
Does anyone say "shorts in a twist"? I thought it was always "knickers
in a twist."
Knickers or panties for me, though "panties in a bunch" is more usual
than "in a twist" I think.
--
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support
rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Jerry Friedman
2021-01-12 20:20:26 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
"An attempt was made to enable all the features of Tcl's Expect without
forcing Tcl on the victim programmer :-) ."
That from some perlite :-))
I don't think quick-changing your shorts brings any help
when your issue is getting entangled in your laces.
1. What's the meaning of *ROFL*?
Rolling On the Floor Laughing. The poster is saying he/she is
laughing at something you posted, but - in this context - laughing at
you and not with you.
Post by ***@gmail.com
2. What's the meaning of the last sentence, i.e., the one used by me as the subject of this issue.
No more understandable to me than the source material you linked to.
"Quick-changing your shorts" *seems* to be a reference to having to
change your underwear because you've shit your pants, but it's not in
any way a known expression to me.
The "issue" *seems* to be a reference to the stated problem: trying
to enable whatever that is. "Entangled in your laces" *seems* to be a
reference to a problem in changing your shorts because they are
entangled in your shoe laces.
But, I could be - and probably am - wrong about everything above.
I don't get the impression that the shorts are soiled, just that making a
change in one area won't help with a problem in another area.
--
Jerry Friedman
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