Big Bang Bar

[mnpinball]

Anyone else know the status on progress ?
I talked with Joe Blackwell about 3 weeks ago and he said Gene was
making quite a few trips to Stern Lately for info and parts, etc...
Seems he is doing something but not sure what the status is.

Anyone interested in selling their spot, I was going to put money down
on one but didn't at the '04 expo. I sure have aquired a taste for
this one since playing alot of it on my pinmame windows version .

I know Llyod is reading this, hello Llyod !! :)

[mnpinball]

Sorry my typing... Lloyd ...

[Lloyd Olson]

Hello mnbinpall. Yes, I'm reading this mnbinpall. !! :) LTG :)

Post by mnpinball
I know Llyod is reading this, hello Llyod !! :)

[mnpinball]

Sorry, typo. Lloyd. :)

[w***@comcast.net]

BBB - From the pictures I see on the website it does look like it's
turning out pretty nice. All the people who put money down on this
game will be quite happy with the finished machine. Kerry is doing a
great job on it and his work is perfect.

George

[nomad]

The double secret probation website. If you don't know what it is you
didn't buy a game and nobody will tell you anything for fear of being
shunned from the circle of trust;)

nomad

[Bryan Kelly]

Actually, this was covered here about a month ago. If you check
google, you'll see where the project stands.

Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins

Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by nomad
The double secret probation website. If you don't know what it is you
didn't buy a game and nobody will tell you anything for fear of being
shunned from the circle of trust;)
nomad

[g***@yahoo.com]

The only thing that gets me about this, is that they have this
incredibly super secret BBS that only the members can access ...

but then they expect others to "purchase their rights" on their good
word alone

If you want to buy and sell rights, you should make all the information
available to everyone

This thing of keeping it secret is for 5 year olds

and the excuse that some want it to fail is insane .... Wanting it to
fail, is like wanting to see the hobby take a huge hit ... It's like me
saying that I want all my machines to drop in value by 15%, because if
this thing does fail, there will be some ed off collectors out
there who may end up badmouthing the hobby as a whole

If Kerry Stair quits or Gene were to suddenly go to the great pinball
pasture in the sky, the odds are, no one would be getting anything. If
I am not mistaken, this thing was set up as a private corporation. (my
opinion only)

It's very risky ....

but there is hope, because Gene does seem to be putting some money into
IPB and he seems to be trying to get the companies act together

I hope to God the machines are finished and that they are perfect, but
I don't get the concept of selling the rights for more than what was
originally paid without full disclosure of all facts good and bad

my two cents only, you don't have to take a flame stroke ...

=)

Gary/Arizona

Post by Bryan Kelly
Actually, this was covered here about a month ago. If you check
google, you'll see where the project stands.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by nomad
The double secret probation website. If you don't know what it is you
didn't buy a game and nobody will tell you anything for fear of being
shunned from the circle of trust;)
nomad

[Bryan Kelly]

I could probably get you access, Gary, if you were considered one of
the "good ole boys."

Sorry, no forum for you. :-)

Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins

Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by g***@yahoo.com
The only thing that gets me about this, is that they have this
incredibly super secret BBS that only the members can access ...
but then they expect others to "purchase their rights" on their good
word alone
If you want to buy and sell rights, you should make all the information
available to everyone
This thing of keeping it secret is for 5 year olds
and the excuse that some want it to fail is insane .... Wanting it to
fail, is like wanting to see the hobby take a huge hit ... It's like me
saying that I want all my machines to drop in value by 15%, because if
this thing does fail, there will be some ed off collectors out
there who may end up badmouthing the hobby as a whole
If Kerry Stair quits or Gene were to suddenly go to the great pinball
pasture in the sky, the odds are, no one would be getting anything. If
I am not mistaken, this thing was set up as a private corporation. (my
opinion only)
It's very risky ....
but there is hope, because Gene does seem to be putting some money into
IPB and he seems to be trying to get the companies act together
I hope to God the machines are finished and that they are perfect, but
I don't get the concept of selling the rights for more than what was
originally paid without full disclosure of all facts good and bad
my two cents only, you don't have to take a flame stroke ...
=)
Gary/Arizona

Post by Bryan Kelly
Actually, this was covered here about a month ago. If you check
google, you'll see where the project stands.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by nomad
The double secret probation website. If you don't know what it is you
didn't buy a game and nobody will tell you anything for fear of being
shunned from the circle of trust;)
nomad

[kirb]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
The only thing that gets me about this, is that they have this
incredibly super secret BBS that only the members can access ...
but then they expect others to "purchase their rights" on their good
word alone
If you want to buy and sell rights, you should make all the information
available to everyone
This thing of keeping it secret is for 5 year olds
and the excuse that some want it to fail is insane .... Wanting it to
fail, is like wanting to see the hobby take a huge hit ... It's like me
saying that I want all my machines to drop in value by 15%, because if
this thing does fail, there will be some ed off collectors out
there who may end up badmouthing the hobby as a whole
If Kerry Stair quits or Gene were to suddenly go to the great pinball
pasture in the sky, the odds are, no one would be getting anything. If
I am not mistaken, this thing was set up as a private corporation. (my
opinion only)
It's very risky ....
but there is hope, because Gene does seem to be putting some money into
IPB and he seems to be trying to get the companies act together
I hope to God the machines are finished and that they are perfect, but
I don't get the concept of selling the rights for more than what was
originally paid without full disclosure of all facts good and bad
my two cents only, you don't have to take a flame stroke ...
=)
Gary/Arizona

This above post is a perfect reason why the forum isn't public. What
good would it do for anyone outside of the project? Answer- none. This
project means nothing to pinball in general.

When you have good friends in pinball you can view the group as much as
you may like. Looks like you won't be reading it anytime soon (it's
really not that interesting other than the photos of parts and
semi-completed stuff)

Yet another failed Brian bash.

Kirb

[Lloyd Olson]

It's been posted here before. Anybody can access the page ( Robert Winter's,
not "theirs) you can only post if you've ordered one.

You didn't have problem telling everybody to order one before. So you should
hope it gets done.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
The only thing that gets me about this, is that they have this
incredibly super secret BBS that only the members can access ...
but then they expect others to "purchase their rights" on their good
word alone
If you want to buy and sell rights, you should make all the information
available to everyone
This thing of keeping it secret is for 5 year olds
and the excuse that some want it to fail is insane .... Wanting it to
fail, is like wanting to see the hobby take a huge hit ... It's like me
saying that I want all my machines to drop in value by 15%, because if
this thing does fail, there will be some ed off collectors out
there who may end up badmouthing the hobby as a whole
If Kerry Stair quits or Gene were to suddenly go to the great pinball
pasture in the sky, the odds are, no one would be getting anything. If
I am not mistaken, this thing was set up as a private corporation. (my
opinion only)
It's very risky ....
but there is hope, because Gene does seem to be putting some money into
IPB and he seems to be trying to get the companies act together
I hope to God the machines are finished and that they are perfect, but
I don't get the concept of selling the rights for more than what was
originally paid without full disclosure of all facts good and bad
my two cents only, you don't have to take a flame stroke ...
=)
Gary/Arizona

Post by Bryan Kelly
Actually, this was covered here about a month ago. If you check
google, you'll see where the project stands.
Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins
Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by nomad
The double secret probation website. If you don't know what it is you
didn't buy a game and nobody will tell you anything for fear of being
shunned from the circle of trust;)
nomad

[p***@thistledown.com.au]

Mr Gary/Arizona

"Mr. Australia Thistledown: "

Congrats - you worked out what .com.au means. Good work.

"I am not bashing Bryan"

You are the only one that sees it that way.

"I am simply saying that I think Bryan had info about the BBB project
that is not out there in the open
I think he had that info, because the minute he offered the BBB rights
for sale, I sent him 3 emails asking him to call a certain person, who
I believe he called
That person is respected in the business and had tried to help put the
BBB's together
and this person didn't say anything bad bout Gene, he simply explained

the frustrations involved with the project to date"

OK then - show your cards and forward me the emails.

"Look, if you are so confident that you are going to get it and that it

is going to be perfect, why the need for the big essay?"

At what point did the word "perfect" come up?
If you are so confident that this won't happen, why the many posts that
amount to a lot more than my "essay"?
You use this as a Bryan Bashing tool. That's why the essay, your
bashing is uncalled for.

"Just sit back and laugh after you recieve your perfect mint game"

I hope I **receive** it instead. I won't have any reason to laugh
though I'll be happy.

"I hope that happens by the way ... "

Good on you!

"but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster"

Huh? Who said I hated you? I think you are a fine, educated gentleman,
with strong views and not afraid to face up to the good ole boys. Well
done, congratulations. Did I mention any rush to get it to my door
step? No, that's just your two cents.

Inflaming the position by claiming that there is some form of hate
going on. Hmmmm. It seems to be either paranoia or classic trolling.

[CornCob]

At what point will you guys admit BBB is a failure?
How long will you wait?
What if in another 16 months, no machines have been shipped?
I give Gene a lot of credit for trying this, but it would have been
better if he had put his own money on the line and then let all of us
have a chance at buying the machines when they were done
Like every other business does in America
They build and then you buy
verses the collectors financing the deal and then praying that Gene
gets it done
the interest was there
Gene should have taken all of the risk and built 500 of them

===============================================================

500 off? now thats a lot of wonger to front up for anyone. Given he
sold to collectors, mostly on RGP say 180'ish (last i heard?) How
would he shift these remaining 320units? More collectors? Operators?

Ping

===============================================================

then sold them for $5000 each and made a little bit of profit
my two cents
Gary/Arizona

[GA Pinhead]

But it might make the time go faster!

John!

Post by p***@thistledown.com.au
but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster

[kirb]

Bryan!!!
Care to step in.
Is Gary bashing you?
Is Kirb correct?
...hopefully this can prevent the gary-kirb-gary-kirb postings.
Not that I mind reading. I find it entertaining.
Just got back upstairs from busting a bftk so I am in a good mood for
some rgp reading!!!

"Hey, I'm not bashing XXX...don't you think it's stupid that someone
bought something from XXX?" Please.

Gary is pissed because no one will let him view BBB progress. With
posts like he makes, I can see why.

Kirb

[g***@yahoo.com]

Mr. Australia Thistledown:

I am not bashing Bryan

I am simply saying that I think Bryan had info about the BBB project
that is not out there in the open

I think he had that info, because the minute he offered the BBB rights
for sale, I sent him 3 emails asking him to call a certain person, who
I believe he called

That person is respected in the business and had tried to help put the
BBB's together

and this person didn't say anything bad bout Gene, he simply explained
the frustrations involved with the project to date

Look, if you are so confident that you are going to get it and that it
is going to be perfect, why the need for the big essay?

Just sit back and laugh after you recieve your perfect mint game

I hope that happens by the way ...

but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster

just my two cents

=)

Gary/Arizona
Wondering why people that are this confident would feel the need to
even respond to me?!?!?!?!?!?!

[kirb]

I might actually have to agree with you on this one Gary. I'm not to
certain a 1 man assembly line (as good as Kerry is) will quite cut it
here.

Talking to some people at expo it seems that Gene underpriced the
games. Since there is an open ended ship date, you can spend as little
on labor as you like to help control costs. Gene does have money tied
up in this...along with other people who had faith in him.

Everyone I spoke to who had money down on a game wasn't too concerned
about WHEN they were going to ship. They just want the game.

Some people who don't have money in this have a hard time with the
above concepts, but it is what it is...

Kirb

[g***@yahoo.com]

mnpinball ...

I agree with you 100%

by the way, I also think that if I was the one selling the BBB for big
dollars, I would have gotten flamed straight to the center of the earth

there is a double standard up here

that's where the "good old boys" thing comes from

but who cares?

I really hope the game gets done and then Gene does Kingpin

Gary/Arizona

[g***@yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get, is the same guys who have been bashing the
living ---- out of Gene for the past 5 years, suddenly act as if he can
walk on water

talk about flip-flops

=)

Gary/Arizona

[Bryan Kelly]

Shit!!!! I'm so damned pissed off, at the moment, I'm not sure if I
hit send or not. Sorry if this is posted twice.

I apologize for the language that's about to be used in the following
post.

You can go fuck yourself Gary, you slimey sack of shit. Now, you've
gone too far. I can listen to most of your bullshit, and find it
mildly entertaining, but when you start telling personal lies about me,
I've had enough. You are an asshole of the lowest kind. And as far as
I'm concerned, this time, you've gone too fucking far.

It's no ones God damn business WHY I sold my rights, especially yours,
but now I feel I need to explain.

Owning my own business and working my ass off over the years, has put
me in a financial position to be able to spend the kind of money on
this hobby that I have. I also have the most loving wife you would
ever want to meet and does not mind when I spend like I do.

I also have two bright, ambitious kids that I will do anything for.
One of them just graduated from private college and the other has a
year and a half to go, also in private college. Both kids have been
more then willing to paid what they could towards their education, with
my wife and I paying the rest. This last year, however, has been a
financial hardship for the whole family. Both kids have been in need
of new cars along with the usual tuition bills coming due. With
construction in our area being down for the last year or two, the money
has not been coming in like in the past.

I have been debt free for some time know and refuse to put the family
back in that position. That's just the way I am. In order to make the
necessary payments, I felt it was time for me to show the family that
they come first, not some stupid pinball machines. This may be hard
for you to understand, Gary, but again, that's just me. Around here,
my family will ALWAYS come first.

I will say this once and only once, then I'm done with you. To
insinuate that I sold my BBB rights because of inside information is an
outright lie and you know it.

Let me say this one more time, I SOLD MY BBB RIGHTS FOR FINANCIAL
REASONS AND FINANCIAL REASONS ONLY!!!

May you rot in hell, YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!

Bryan

Post by p***@thistledown.com.au
I am not bashing Bryan
I am simply saying that I think Bryan had info about the BBB project
that is not out there in the open
I think he had that info, because the minute he offered the BBB rights
for sale, I sent him 3 emails asking him to call a certain person, who
I believe he called
That person is respected in the business and had tried to help put the
BBB's together
and this person didn't say anything bad bout Gene, he simply explained
the frustrations involved with the project to date
Look, if you are so confident that you are going to get it and that it
is going to be perfect, why the need for the big essay?
Just sit back and laugh after you recieve your perfect mint game
I hope that happens by the way ...
but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster
just my two cents
=)
Gary/Arizona
Wondering why people that are this confident would feel the need to
even respond to me?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Manic]

Bryan I would killfile him and never give him the pleasure
of your response again. He loves the angry posts and negative
attention as he's learned it's all he can expect to get.

When he first came over here and promptly got busted
for writing praise to himself from another account (same
IP) I *knew* he was dishonest... completely. That's
all I had to see.

I wouldn't waste one more second of your precious
time on him. He wouldn't have the balls to say this to your
face so ignore his attempts at character defamation.

They're as sad as he is.

Post by Bryan Kelly
Shit!!!! I'm so damned pissed off, at the moment, I'm not sure if I
hit send or not. Sorry if this is posted twice.
I apologize for the language that's about to be used in the following
post.
You can go fuck yourself Gary, you slimey sack of shit. Now, you've
gone too far. I can listen to most of your bullshit, and find it
mildly entertaining, but when you start telling personal lies about me,
I've had enough. You are an asshole of the lowest kind. And as far as
I'm concerned, this time, you've gone too fucking far.
It's no ones God damn business WHY I sold my rights, especially yours,
but now I feel I need to explain.
Owning my own business and working my ass off over the years, has put
me in a financial position to be able to spend the kind of money on
this hobby that I have. I also have the most loving wife you would
ever want to meet and does not mind when I spend like I do.
I also have two bright, ambitious kids that I will do anything for.
One of them just graduated from private college and the other has a
year and a half to go, also in private college. Both kids have been
more then willing to paid what they could towards their education, with
my wife and I paying the rest. This last year, however, has been a
financial hardship for the whole family. Both kids have been in need
of new cars along with the usual tuition bills coming due. With
construction in our area being down for the last year or two, the money
has not been coming in like in the past.
I have been debt free for some time know and refuse to put the family
back in that position. That's just the way I am. In order to make the
necessary payments, I felt it was time for me to show the family that
they come first, not some stupid pinball machines. This may be hard
for you to understand, Gary, but again, that's just me. Around here,
my family will ALWAYS come first.
I will say this once and only once, then I'm done with you. To
insinuate that I sold my BBB rights because of inside information is an
outright lie and you know it.
Let me say this one more time, I SOLD MY BBB RIGHTS FOR FINANCIAL
REASONS AND FINANCIAL REASONS ONLY!!!
May you rot in hell, YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!
Bryan

Post by p***@thistledown.com.au
I am not bashing Bryan
I am simply saying that I think Bryan had info about the BBB project
that is not out there in the open
I think he had that info, because the minute he offered the BBB rights
for sale, I sent him 3 emails asking him to call a certain person, who
I believe he called
That person is respected in the business and had tried to help put the
BBB's together
and this person didn't say anything bad bout Gene, he simply explained
the frustrations involved with the project to date
Look, if you are so confident that you are going to get it and that it
is going to be perfect, why the need for the big essay?
Just sit back and laugh after you recieve your perfect mint game
I hope that happens by the way ...
but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster
just my two cents
=)
Gary/Arizona
Wondering why people that are this confident would feel the need to
even respond to me?!?!?!?!?!?!

[mnpinball]

WOW, sorry I started this question, all I wanted to see is if anyone
knows the progress.
I didn't mean for all this to happen.
Jason.

[g***@yahoo.com]

That is the true Bryan Kelly

Not the fire, fire, fire rear end kiss version up here

Imagine writing that kind of about someone

And his posts are always tinted with him being better for the hobby
than I am, even though it really doesn't matter who is better for what

So much hatred up here it is sick

he can use a free forum to advertise (verses paying on ebay) and yet if
someone has comments on his sales (they are weanies or worse).

Hello everyone, you use a free forum to sell stuff, get ready to take
the heat

Gary/Arizona

[metallik]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Not the fire, fire, fire rear end kiss version up here

No, the fire you hear is the sound of all the bridges you just burnt.
You really are a turd. One day, when *no one* in the hobby will have
anything to do with you, you'll understand.

You are a very odd person.

[g***@yahoo.com]

Metallik ...

You are the odd person:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/5e9290513d3ceef4

Why wasn't that post ever deleted it if it was done by accident?

[Lloyd Olson]

Metallik doesn't need to delete posts. He's a good man. He doesn't need to
hide. LTG :)

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Metallik ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/5e9290513d3ceef4
Why wasn't that post ever deleted it if it was done by accident?

[metallik]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Metallik ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/5e9290513d3ceef4
Why wasn't that post ever deleted it if it was done by accident?

Well, the post you link to was Bryan's, not mine. Duh. As for my
accidental post, I did delete it. More specifically, I cancelled it.
If Google continues to archive it, they are violating usenet RFC. Not
that I really care either way.

[cpiel]

Brian . . . Try not to react to Gary. He is a sick, attention starved,
disfuntionial head case that thrives on conflict and getting everyone
all riled up. Anyone that has ever tried to help the guy has realized
he is beyond help and a real schmuck to boot. He is obviously the
least respected person on this board and cannot earn it back, so he has
nothing to lose. None of us could stoop to his level even if we tried,
so just "disengage" from him and use your kill file. He's a joke.

[g***@yahoo.com]

cpiel

You are the joke if you defend that kind of language

Gary/Arizona

[g***@yahoo.com]

Will my BBB source please develop some courage and speak up on this?

My source has sold a lot of product to readers of RGP

My source could do this without angering Gene

Just explain what happened when you flew with your own money to Chicago
trying to help build the BBB's

Also the Bearcave guys could kick in on this as well

I am not going to use the sources name

Gary/Arizona

[cpiel]

No one cares . . .

[chuck]

And Gary, your just a joke. The fact that people like you reproduce is
truly scary.

I hate them fancy lads...

Post by g***@yahoo.com
cpiel
You are the joke if you defend that kind of language
Gary/Arizona

[GA Pinhead]

AttentionWhore:

The word fuck upsets you? Too bad.

John!

[Mark Salas]

Bryan,

You know what!! This message is not necessary. I know you are very well
thought of in this newsgroup and in the pinball community. I hope I am
as well.

....Oh and by no means am I taking the trolls back here.

Perhaps a private e-mail to the culprit would have been better. I
personally don't need to read on a pinball forum telling me how great
ones family is and what great private college they go to and how great
a spouse is.

I would just as soon you two discuss your issues privately. Unless
there are a bunch a posts that have been erased, I can't even pinpoint
what was said to elicit such a F bomb laden response. I just re-read
this thread. Typical gpct troll stuff.

[metallik]

Post by Mark Salas
I would just as soon you two discuss your issues privately. Unless
there are a bunch a posts that have been erased, I can't even pinpoint
what was said to elicit such a F bomb laden response. I just re-read

Gary insinuated here (in public) that Bryan sold his rights because he
had inside information that the project wasn't going well (untrue).
This was a direct attack on Bryan's honesty, and warranted the public
rebuttal.

Post by Mark Salas
this thread. Typical gpct troll stuff.

Yeah, he's been a little shit recently.

[Bryan Kelly]

Mark,

If someone attacks me privately, I'll respond privately. If someone
attacks me publicly, I'll respond publicly. I've simply had enough of
Gary jumping all over me about my BBB sale, everytime BBB is brought
up.....and to insinuate that I had inside information is the straw that
broke the camel's back.

My language was inappropriate and for that, I apologize.

Bryan

Post by Mark Salas
Bryan,
You know what!! This message is not necessary. I know you are very well
thought of in this newsgroup and in the pinball community. I hope I am
as well.
....Oh and by no means am I taking the trolls back here.
Perhaps a private e-mail to the culprit would have been better. I
personally don't need to read on a pinball forum telling me how great
ones family is and what great private college they go to and how great
a spouse is.
I would just as soon you two discuss your issues privately. Unless
there are a bunch a posts that have been erased, I can't even pinpoint
what was said to elicit such a F bomb laden response. I just re-read
this thread. Typical gpct troll stuff.

[g***@yahoo.com]

There are two BBB stories

The fluff you here up on RPG and then the story that my source tells me
about things behind the scenes

a year from now, when I believe no one will still have their machines,
people will really start to wonder

It's not that Gene is trying to screw anyone ... there are allegedly
problems getting the pieces to fit ... Gene wants it done bad, but it
has allegedly turned out to be far more complex than anyone imagined

Didn't the Bearcave guys comment on this?

and my source worked on it after they had left

Notice how little stuff Wayne has produced ... remaking playfields and
cabinet decals are tough enough ... Imagine trying to do an entire
machine

my views and opinions

Gary/Arizona

[ldnayman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...WTF are you blathering
about!?

EVERYONE imagined it would be complex and difficult. Several decades
ago, when this project was announced and people started mindlessly
forking over thousands of dollars, there were untold #s of people who
voiced concerns about the project.

gpt- always at the forefront of breaking news!

Post by g***@yahoo.com
It's not that Gene is trying to screw anyone ... there are allegedly
problems getting the pieces to fit ... Gene wants it done bad, but it
has allegedly turned out to be far more complex than anyone imagined

[g***@yahoo.com]

ldnayman ...

you are 100% right

and I was one of the people that thought it could be done

but it looks like I was wrong ...

My only issue is that they want to keep the inside info a "secret" and
then they expect to sell the rights up here for huge dollars

Gary/Arizona

[GA Pinhead]

Post by ldnayman
I've said it before and I'll say it again...WTF are you blathering

about!?

I sure am glad you agree with this. So WTF? Once again ____ can ask a
question but fails to answer any.

Quick ____ sell something else cheap.

John!

[Lloyd Olson]

They have never kept anything secret. Links for the various sites used
through the process have been posted.

The only thing is you can only read them. You can't post unless you made a
deposit which is only fair.

Them letting you read the forum doesn't even have to be done, but they allow
it.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
My only issue is that they want to keep the inside info a "secret" and
then they expect to sell the rights up here for huge dollars
Gary/Arizona

[pinballjim]

What's the URL for the forum? Sure is a lot of talk about it, but I
haven't seen it posted in this thread.

[cpiel]

LOL! another ldnayman classic : )

[Dave Pauk]

Gary,

Ran out of meds again?

Funny, I can almost set my watch to it.

LOL

Dave

Post by g***@yahoo.com
There are two BBB stories
The fluff you here up on RPG and then the story that my source tells me
about things behind the scenes
a year from now, when I believe no one will still have their machines,
people will really start to wonder
It's not that Gene is trying to screw anyone ... there are allegedly
problems getting the pieces to fit ... Gene wants it done bad, but it
has allegedly turned out to be far more complex than anyone imagined
Didn't the Bearcave guys comment on this?
and my source worked on it after they had left
Notice how little stuff Wayne has produced ... remaking playfields and
cabinet decals are tough enough ... Imagine trying to do an entire
machine
my views and opinions
Gary/Arizona

[Tim N.]

Your source?? This isn't Watergate.....Jesus Christ man, give it a
rest.... I have been using this newsgroup for about three years and it
is has been a very good resource for my pinball addiction/hobby. More
and more it is being littered by "your views, two cents" whatever that
don't really contribute to this group, they are just delivered so you
can get a rise out of people for your enjoyment (like you are doing to
me right now). You say you are great for this hobby, but what do you
contribute to this hobby? Money???? Great, good for your money. But how
do you help others out? What are you contributing? (Please don't say
money again) If you are really good at something, why dont you
contribute to that, to help others out? You aren't helping anyone here,
other than financially (and recently deals on your parts/machines). I
think a group more appropraite for your type of behavior would be
something like alt.groups.lookwhatigot. or alt.opinions.myviews or even
BIZ.GAMES.PINBALL .....Seriously man, contribute something to this
group that isn't a soap opera. if you contribute in private to people
with insight into pinball, great, my apologies, but please stop with
this "My sources, inside scoop, whatever".... The reason for this post
is because there are legit guys on here that contribute to this hobby
that are no longer contributing because of this constant BS....Once
those guys leave, then all we will have is Perkoff, you, and a few
others who will not be able to actually help others out with their
pinball "knowledge"

Post by g***@yahoo.com
There are two BBB stories
The fluff you here up on RPG and then the story that my source tells me
about things behind the scenes
a year from now, when I believe no one will still have their machines,
people will really start to wonder
It's not that Gene is trying to screw anyone ... there are allegedly
problems getting the pieces to fit ... Gene wants it done bad, but it
has allegedly turned out to be far more complex than anyone imagined
Didn't the Bearcave guys comment on this?
and my source worked on it after they had left
Notice how little stuff Wayne has produced ... remaking playfields and
cabinet decals are tough enough ... Imagine trying to do an entire
machine
my views and opinions
Gary/Arizona

[Mark Salas]

Post by Bryan Kelly
Mark,
If someone attacks me privately, I'll respond privately. If someone
attacks me publicly, I'll respond publicly. I've simply had enough of
Gary jumping all over me about my BBB sale, everytime BBB is brought
up.....and to insinuate that I had inside information is the straw that
broke the camel's back.
My language was inappropriate and for that, I apologize.
Bryan

Thanks Bryan. You and Larry (metallik) are right. He did it in public
and I agree. The Language. Unexpected from you, but I can see your
anger. Have a great day!!

[g***@yahoo.com]

A year from now, 180 people will be using the Bryan language

but they won't be directing it at me

=)

Gary/Arizona

[Greg P]

Gary, since you're in the know, why don't you spill the beans and be
more specific as to what is wrong with the project? All you do is
"hint" around. Give us the info you have and back it up with the
credible source.

Until you do that, you'll continue to get your ass handed to you.

[Lloyd Olson]

Why ? You leaving ?

Post by g***@yahoo.com
A year from now, 180 people will be using the Bryan language
but they won't be directing it at me
=)
Gary/Arizona

[GA Pinhead]

<snicker>

Touche! LTG.

John!

[Lloyd Olson]

Bryan, you are my friend and a good man. You don't need to explain your
situation. Anybody that really matters knows this.

And I don't blame you for being mad.

You didn't deserve an attack from a person who has posted that his only
reason for posting is to stir up trouble, and he's a liar and doesn't keep
his word.

You have yourself a good day Bryan. Because tonight when you look in the
mirror and brush your teeth, you can look at yourself and be proud of who
you are. LTG :)

Post by Bryan Kelly
Shit!!!! I'm so damned pissed off, at the moment, I'm not sure if I
hit send or not. Sorry if this is posted twice.
I apologize for the language that's about to be used in the following
post.
You can go fuck yourself Gary, you slimey sack of shit. Now, you've
gone too far. I can listen to most of your bullshit, and find it
mildly entertaining, but when you start telling personal lies about me,
I've had enough. You are an asshole of the lowest kind. And as far as
I'm concerned, this time, you've gone too fucking far.
It's no ones God damn business WHY I sold my rights, especially yours,
but now I feel I need to explain.
Owning my own business and working my ass off over the years, has put
me in a financial position to be able to spend the kind of money on
this hobby that I have. I also have the most loving wife you would
ever want to meet and does not mind when I spend like I do.
I also have two bright, ambitious kids that I will do anything for.
One of them just graduated from private college and the other has a
year and a half to go, also in private college. Both kids have been
more then willing to paid what they could towards their education, with
my wife and I paying the rest. This last year, however, has been a
financial hardship for the whole family. Both kids have been in need
of new cars along with the usual tuition bills coming due. With
construction in our area being down for the last year or two, the money
has not been coming in like in the past.
I have been debt free for some time know and refuse to put the family
back in that position. That's just the way I am. In order to make the
necessary payments, I felt it was time for me to show the family that
they come first, not some stupid pinball machines. This may be hard
for you to understand, Gary, but again, that's just me. Around here,
my family will ALWAYS come first.
I will say this once and only once, then I'm done with you. To
insinuate that I sold my BBB rights because of inside information is an
outright lie and you know it.
Let me say this one more time, I SOLD MY BBB RIGHTS FOR FINANCIAL
REASONS AND FINANCIAL REASONS ONLY!!!
May you rot in hell, YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!
Bryan

[Bryan Kelly]

Thanks, Lloyd. Your friendship means a lot to me. :-)

Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins

Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by Lloyd Olson
Bryan, you are my friend and a good man. You don't need to explain your
situation. Anybody that really matters knows this.
And I don't blame you for being mad.
You didn't deserve an attack from a person who has posted that his only
reason for posting is to stir up trouble, and he's a liar and doesn't keep
his word.
You have yourself a good day Bryan. Because tonight when you look in the
mirror and brush your teeth, you can look at yourself and be proud of who
you are. LTG :)

Post by Bryan Kelly
Shit!!!! I'm so damned pissed off, at the moment, I'm not sure if I
hit send or not. Sorry if this is posted twice.
I apologize for the language that's about to be used in the following
post.
You can go fuck yourself Gary, you slimey sack of shit. Now, you've
gone too far. I can listen to most of your bullshit, and find it
mildly entertaining, but when you start telling personal lies about me,
I've had enough. You are an asshole of the lowest kind. And as far as
I'm concerned, this time, you've gone too fucking far.
It's no ones God damn business WHY I sold my rights, especially yours,
but now I feel I need to explain.
Owning my own business and working my ass off over the years, has put
me in a financial position to be able to spend the kind of money on
this hobby that I have. I also have the most loving wife you would
ever want to meet and does not mind when I spend like I do.
I also have two bright, ambitious kids that I will do anything for.
One of them just graduated from private college and the other has a
year and a half to go, also in private college. Both kids have been
more then willing to paid what they could towards their education, with
my wife and I paying the rest. This last year, however, has been a
financial hardship for the whole family. Both kids have been in need
of new cars along with the usual tuition bills coming due. With
construction in our area being down for the last year or two, the money
has not been coming in like in the past.
I have been debt free for some time know and refuse to put the family
back in that position. That's just the way I am. In order to make the
necessary payments, I felt it was time for me to show the family that
they come first, not some stupid pinball machines. This may be hard
for you to understand, Gary, but again, that's just me. Around here,
my family will ALWAYS come first.
I will say this once and only once, then I'm done with you. To
insinuate that I sold my BBB rights because of inside information is an
outright lie and you know it.
Let me say this one more time, I SOLD MY BBB RIGHTS FOR FINANCIAL
REASONS AND FINANCIAL REASONS ONLY!!!
May you rot in hell, YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!
Bryan

[p***@thistledown.com.au]

Hey Bryan, I know that you were frustrated at the attacks, and I don't
blame you for your post. For sure you were probably concerned that it
might raise concerns not only about your supposed "inside knowledge"
(ie attack your integrity) but that it might get me worried as the
purchaser.

I do regret responding to the trolling if it was partly responsible for
continuing the issue and resulted in you needing to defend yourself.
No-one has any doubts about your integrity Bryan, least of all me.

Regards to all, Merry Christmas and good cheer to all, even to
Arizona, goodwill to all men and all that,

Nick

[Bryan Kelly]

Thanks, mate and same to you and yours. :-)

Bryan (CARGPB 14)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/bspins

Home of the world renowned EXECUTIVE Pin Footie
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/album79
Make your pin feel like one of the family

Post by p***@thistledown.com.au
Hey Bryan, I know that you were frustrated at the attacks, and I don't
blame you for your post. For sure you were probably concerned that it
might raise concerns not only about your supposed "inside knowledge"
(ie attack your integrity) but that it might get me worried as the
purchaser.
I do regret responding to the trolling if it was partly responsible for
continuing the issue and resulted in you needing to defend yourself.
No-one has any doubts about your integrity Bryan, least of all me.
Regards to all, Merry Christmas and good cheer to all, even to
Arizona, goodwill to all men and all that,
Nick

[g***@yahoo.com]

Notice they never print the URL for the "secret information" on BBB

I will tell you once again, that my source paid for his own plane
ticket to go to Chicago to help Gene ...

The person announced it on this board

Everyone knows darn well who it is ....

He never said anything bad about Gene, only that there are major, major
issues with the construction of this game. Issues that I was not aware
of previously.

Attacking me, won't produce the games

=)

Gary/Arizona

[mnpinball]

What happened with the "ONE" known Williams version of BBB ? I would
just like a story lesson. Never heard the whole thing. I am kinda new
the this .

[Lloyd Olson]

Wasn't complete, not much more than white wood. Playfield resides with a
nice collector. Board set is mia. The rest was made back into a Capcom BBB.
LTG :)

Post by mnpinball
What happened with the "ONE" known Williams version of BBB ? I would
just like a story lesson. Never heard the whole thing. I am kinda new
the this .

[pinballjim]

Well, here's, apparently, the URL for the secret BBB forum

http://www.robertwinter.com/pinball/bbb/forum/

Doesn't appear that you can even read the posts without being
registered, though.

[kirb]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Notice they never print the URL for the "secret information" on BBB
I will tell you once again, that my source paid for his own plane
ticket to go to Chicago to help Gene ...
The person announced it on this board
Everyone knows darn well who it is ....
He never said anything bad about Gene, only that there are major, major
issues with the construction of this game. Issues that I was not aware
of previously.
Attacking me, won't produce the games
=)
Gary/Arizona

They don't post the URL because they know you are too stupid to find it
yourself.

The source you have- is it the same source that told you about the MM
remakes?

That "friend of an operator?"

....or was it the guy who mops up under the SF2 at the corner bar?

...or are you channeling you love buddy Wayne G?

Gary, you are too lazy to read a BBB board. You want people to spell
out everything so you can make mornic comments to get a rise out of
people. The only person who gave you that was Jim. Now run with it
troll boy....run...

Trying to sully Bryan's rep for selling his rights is going to make me
start calling you out for ripping off all those people selling sat
recievers. Remember those days, huh? Remember the threats to sue me?
Asshat ripoff artist Gary lies and calls OTHER people
dishonest..another new low.

making your bed again...

Kirb

[Retro-Arcade]

calling you out for ripping off all those people selling sat

Post by kirb
recievers. Remember those days, huh? Remember the threats to sue me?
Asshat ripoff artist Gary lies and calls OTHER people
dishonest..another new low.

I must have missed this one what happened? Sounds pretty interesting to
me. I remember the good ol DSS hacking days. So whats the deal Gary?
did you have free TV or what?

[g***@yahoo.com]

Every time Kirb is in trouble he knocks what people do for a living

Kind of sick ...

Never did free TV, in fact one of my companies sold legal subscribtion
packages to all the major channels

I've never even been sued in like 17 years of business and companies

My ebay record is perfect

My sales record on RGP is perfect

My opinions, I guess are not that perfect

It's all about fitting into the club or getting flamed

oh well ...

Gary/Arizona

[g***@yahoo.com]

Enough of all this ...

Let's take time out for a technical lesson from Kerry Stair:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/d351ebe5e6625d1b

[nomad]

Gary > Enough of all this ...

Let's take time out for a technical lesson from Kerry Stair:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/d351ebe5e6625d1b


...pretty funny since you are the LAST guy on this group that would
even comprehend anything technical.

nomad

[cpiel]

Nice try on the diversion - getting a bit hot in the kitchen eh?

[Donnie Barnes]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Notice they never print the URL for the "secret information" on BBB
I will tell you once again, that my source paid for his own plane
ticket to go to Chicago to help Gene ...
The person announced it on this board
Everyone knows darn well who it is ....

I don't. I'd like to know, so we could then go search and see what he said
(assuming he's not a wimp that deletes his posts).

Post by g***@yahoo.com
He never said anything bad about Gene, only that there are major, major
issues with the construction of this game. Issues that I was not aware
of previously.

And those are?

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Attacking me, won't produce the games

Same goes for me. Oh wait, you attack me (or "call me out" as you call it)
because you like it.


--Donnie

[cpiel]

Didn't Jeff (Mcafee) head out to chicago to lend a hand?

[GA Pinhead]

A winner! Bet he is sorry, he did not hang up on that call...

John!

Post by cpiel
Didn't Jeff (Mcafee) head out to chicago to lend a hand?

[g***@yahoo.com]

You know what ...

I really hope the machine does get finished and is nicely done

I just wish we could have all had an opportunity to purchase the thing
after it was built

so we could see the quality first

not this "oh, it's coming along really well if you could only see our
super secret bulletin board ... blah ... blah ... blah"

Build the product, put a price on it and then let the market decide

Blind faith in this hobby?

Give me a break ....

=)

Gary/Arizona

[Dave Pauk]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
The thing I don't get, is the same guys who have been bashing the
living ---- out of Gene for the past 5 years, suddenly act as if he can
walk on water
talk about flip-flops
=)
Gary/Arizona

Are you that dense? Seriously?

I don't think anyone is lining up to be the President of Gene's fan
club.

However, ANY forward motion in this hobby is openly embraced by those
that are passionate about the game of pinball.

This month, it's Gene slowly (and hopefully surely) getting his act
together after all these years. Next month, who knows?

There are those that "get it", and those that don't.

Which one are you, Gary?

Dave

[mnpinball]

It's all risk, I dumped $5000.00 in Excelsior Henderson motorcycle
stock to see a great cycle reborn. Then lost it all. I could have
bought a place in a BBB. Oh well.
Jason.

[Mark Salas]

Bryan!!!

Care to step in.

Is Gary bashing you?

Is Kirb correct?


...hopefully this can prevent the gary-kirb-gary-kirb postings.

Not that I mind reading. I find it entertaining.

Just got back upstairs from busting a bftk so I am in a good mood for
some rgp reading!!!

[g***@yahoo.com]

Question:

At what point will you guys admit BBB is a failure?

How long will you wait?

What if in another 16 months, no machines have been shipped?

I give Gene a lot of credit for trying this, but it would have been
better if he had put his own money on the line and then let all of us
have a chance at buying the machines when they were done

Like every other business does in America

They build and then you buy

verses the collectors financing the deal and then praying that Gene
gets it done

the interest was there

Gene should have taken all of the risk and built 500 of them

then sold them for $5000 each and made a little bit of profit

my two cents

Gary/Arizona

[kirb]

Post by p***@thistledown.com.au
I am not bashing Bryan
I am simply saying that I think Bryan had info about the BBB project
that is not out there in the open
I think he had that info, because the minute he offered the BBB rights
for sale, I sent him 3 emails asking him to call a certain person, who
I believe he called
That person is respected in the business and had tried to help put the
BBB's together
and this person didn't say anything bad bout Gene, he simply explained
the frustrations involved with the project to date
Look, if you are so confident that you are going to get it and that it
is going to be perfect, why the need for the big essay?
Just sit back and laugh after you recieve your perfect mint game
I hope that happens by the way ...
but hating me won't make it appear at your doorstep any faster
just my two cents
=)
Gary/Arizona
Wondering why people that are this confident would feel the need to
even respond to me?!?!?!?!?!?!

EXACTLY why the forum is not public.

And yes, you are bashing bryan.

Kirb

[Retro-Arcade]

I might actually have to agree with you on this one Gary. I'm not to
certain a 1 man assembly line (as good as Kerry is) will quite cut it
here.

[p***@thistledown.com.au]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
The thing I don't get, is the same guys who have been bashing the
living ---- out of Gene for the past 5 years, suddenly act as if he can
walk on water
talk about flip-flops
=)
Gary/Arizona

I haven't seen anyone talking as if Gene could "walk on water".

I do see a bunch of optimistic guys who put their money where their
faith was, and are now holding onto their faith, and for good reason.

And some other's who didn't buy but who are prepared to give some
respect because they see Gene as likely pulling this off, to the
benefit of the buyers and to pinball by bringing the legend to life.

I read the _secret_ forum before committing to buying Bryan's rights.
Nothing was hidden. I was well aware of the delay, and the risk in
investing in anything that is not built. And past performances. I was
and am more than qualified to make my own judgement. I was and am more
than qualified to take my own risks. There was nothing I needed to know
that Bryan hid. In fact, I got more than I expected.

Why would a troll continue Bryan Bashing when the purchaser is the most
supportive of all of the seller, and the last one to question what was
bought?

*If* the BBB arrives, (and the if is a pretty low percentage bet now,
perhaps I should say when, but I don't want to tempt fate - the plane
carrying it to me might crash and then how *silly* would I look?) I'll
be the happiest purchaser of all.

I was unable to get on board the original purchase chance. I regretted
that. When I saw Bryan's offer to sell (and at what was ultimately
negotiated to be a very fair price) I couldn't have responded quickly
enough - luckily for me I did get in first.

You have succeeded in gaining one more response from me. Score one to
the troll. But quit the Bryan bashing, no-one is supporting your two
cents worth on this one.

[mnpinball]

What website ? the-bearcave has been defunct for some time now.

[Rob]

I know this has probably been gone over a 1000 times, but is it possible to
buy one of these new BBB's? Will it be exactly as the original few were?

Post by mnpinball
Anyone else know the status on progress ?
I talked with Joe Blackwell about 3 weeks ago and he said Gene was
making quite a few trips to Stern Lately for info and parts, etc...
Seems he is doing something but not sure what the status is.
Anyone interested in selling their spot, I was going to put money down
on one but didn't at the '04 expo. I sure have aquired a taste for
this one since playing alot of it on my pinmame windows version .
I know Llyod is reading this, hello Llyod !! :)

[nomad]

For the right price I'm sure you could get somebody to sell you their
rights since all the proposed machines are accounted for. And is
anything that re-made ever "exactly" as the originals were?

noamd

[Rob]

So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?
Sounds kind of dumb to me, if you made the game already, produce to the
demand.

Post by nomad
For the right price I'm sure you could get somebody to sell you their
rights since all the proposed machines are accounted for. And is
anything that re-made ever "exactly" as the originals were?
noamd

[nomad]

Well he didn't ever make the game and Capcom made only like 12 before
they went under. And he is building to the demand that was collected a
year or so ago. Not everybody got on the list who knows about it now
and wants a game. You can always look to ebay after they are built and
delivered, maybe somebody bought one to turn it for a quick profit.

nomad

[Donnie Barnes]

Post by nomad
Well he didn't ever make the game and Capcom made only like 12 before
they went under. And he is building to the demand that was collected a
year or so ago. Not everybody got on the list who knows about it now
and wants a game. You can always look to ebay after they are built and
delivered, maybe somebody bought one to turn it for a quick profit.

No, I think there were people even a year ago that didn't get in. Not
many, but there were some. The number ended up capped where it is due to
some limited availability of parts that already existed, as I understand
it.


--Donnie

[GA Pinhead]

Well, there would be that little parts problem...

John!

Post by Rob
So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?
Sounds kind of dumb to me, if you made the game already, produce to the
demand.

Post by nomad
For the right price I'm sure you could get somebody to sell you their
rights since all the proposed machines are accounted for. And is
anything that re-made ever "exactly" as the originals were?
noamd

[kirb]

Post by Rob
So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?
Sounds kind of dumb to me, if you made the game already, produce to the
demand.

The games are not exatly the same- there is a different sound board due
to the lack of the old one. I think they made as many BBB as they did
because they had enough parts- CPUs, translites, etc...

More games or a Kingpin would cost much more $$$ to make parts that
Gene already had for BBB.

The plan was to get deposits, build some more, sell the extras for more
money. I suspect you won't be able to buy a completed game for less
than $10k (pure guess).

Kirb

[Rob]

I thought they were recreating all the parts from scratch, is that not
correct?

Post by kirb

Post by Rob
So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?
Sounds kind of dumb to me, if you made the game already, produce to the
demand.

The games are not exatly the same- there is a different sound board due
to the lack of the old one. I think they made as many BBB as they did
because they had enough parts- CPUs, translites, etc...
More games or a Kingpin would cost much more $$$ to make parts that
Gene already had for BBB.
The plan was to get deposits, build some more, sell the extras for more
money. I suspect you won't be able to buy a completed game for less
than $10k (pure guess).
Kirb

[Lloyd Olson]

Not all. LTG :)

Post by Rob
I thought they were recreating all the parts from scratch, is that not
correct?

[g***@yahoo.com]

Let me ask this without the flames flying ...

During Expo, did anyone think of dropping in on the BBB gang and see
first hand what was actually happening?

Has anyone seen a completed game?

They have been working on this for over a year, right?

One game probably should be done by now

I'd like to see pictures of one completed, working game

just wondering

Gary/Arizona

[kirb]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Let me ask this without the flames flying ...
During Expo, did anyone think of dropping in on the BBB gang and see
first hand what was actually happening?

Someone did and they posted on RGP.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Has anyone seen a completed game?

I saw one at expo. It was fun to play.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
They have been working on this for over a year, right?

You already know the answer.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
One game probably should be done by now

Are you dense? People gave you the link, but you refuse to do the
legwork yourself.

Post by g***@yahoo.com
I'd like to see pictures of one completed, working game

Here's three:
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[g***@yahoo.com]

Kirb ...

That's a 1996 original machine

come on ...

a new, fresh machine

A Kerry Stair machine

Gary/Arizona

[c***@provide.net]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Kirb ...
That's a 1996 original machine
come on ...
a new, fresh machine
A Kerry Stair machine
Gary/Arizona

I have pictures of that.
I just won't show you.

[kirb]

Post by Rob
I thought they were recreating all the parts from scratch, is that not
correct?

No. They picked up all the translites they needed from Pacak, took the
CPUs from the stock he bought from Capcom, made whatever he didn't have
(a lot)

Kirb

[g***@yahoo.com]

One of your favorites posted this a while back:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/msg/6c81691e13233081

[Lloyd Olson]

First problem would be new board sets. All the NOS Capcom boards gene had
went into this project. So you'd have some big costs involved to make those
again. LTG :)

Post by Rob
So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?
Sounds kind of dumb to me, if you made the game already, produce to the
demand.

[Fred Kemper]

Correct.

No more parts available to build more.

(ie: circuit boards)
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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Post by Rob
So after the games are sold, there will be no more produced?

[g***@yahoo.com]

Let's shut this down

It is getting really old

I guess there are no machines done

A year from now we can check back in

=)

Gary/Arizona

[Poncherello]

Ahh, this would be the "blind leading the stupid", wouldn't it ?

Go back to your hole, "Gary". The game will be produced and released
probably in 3-4 months. At that time, I expect you'll probably return
and then bash the quality, and remind everyone that it took an extra
year. So what ?!!? 180-something games will make a few people happy,
and you'll only prove what a bitter, miserable fat bastard you are. I'm
bitter I'm not getting one too, but only because I didn't have the
$4500+ at the time, for only a promise.

-Officer Francis Llewellyn 'Ponch' Poncherello

Post by g***@yahoo.com
Let's shut this down
It is getting really old
I guess there are no machines done
A year from now we can check back in
=)
Gary/Arizona

[Fred Kemper]

Who are you talking to, or about?
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
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Post by g***@yahoo.com
Let's shut this down
It is getting really old
I guess there are no machines done
A year from now we can check back in

[g***@yahoo.com]

I won't knock the quality ...

I think it would be wonderful if the games were just completed

but no one has a picture of even one yet?

Kind of odd

Gary/AZ

[kirb]

Post by g***@yahoo.com
I won't knock the quality ...
I think it would be wonderful if the games were just completed
but no one has a picture of even one yet?
Kind of odd
Gary/AZ

I'll show you the pics that clay sent me, but ONLY if you shut up about
the damn game already....

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Kirb

[mnpinball]

These URL links are for pics from 1996. ????

[g***@yahoo.com]

Those pictures are from 1996

Everyone is just screwing with everyone on this

It's all blind faith and hope that somehow Gene and company can pull
this off

Who knows, maybe they can and will

Gary/Arizona