What did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that was not true?

Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish

Viejo Vizcacha

2009-04-22 16:29:43 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish

The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

It should be noted, though, that population transfer was not a policy
invented to favour Jewish immigrants in Palestine and/or punish
Palestinians. At the time, that was the "solution" that was favoured
by politicians. About 15 million Germans were uprooted and displaced
at the end of WWII, with more than a million dead. And the separation
of Pakistan and India also brought a transfer of millions with
hundreds of thousands dead.

So, my point is that we should neither regard the plight of
Palestinians as a unique tragedy, nor should we disregard it just
because it also happened to many more. Population transfer is now
considered illegal and a crime, yet that was the favoured policy at
the end of WWII.

ViejoVizcacha

B J Foster

2009-04-22 22:08:49 UTC

Rubbish

The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

The truth is that the majority of Palestinians fled, the majority were
tenants not owners of the land and that those who stayed became full
citizens with full rights. The truth is that after the new Jewish
settlers had improved the land the absentee landlords suddenly wanted it
back. The truth is that Yassir Arafat and the PLO were created and
funded by the landlord dynasties who sold desert and marshland to Jews.
e.g. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

The truth is that these landlords advised 'Palestinians' to leave. The
truth is that 'Palestine' never existed. Jordan (aka 'Trans-Jordan') is
east Palestine.

Q. Why don't they go there?
A. Because they want it all.

Post by Viejo Vizcacha
It should be noted, though, that population transfer was not a policy
invented to favour Jewish immigrants in Palestine and/or punish
Palestinians. At the time, that was the "solution" that was favoured
by politicians. About 15 million Germans were uprooted and displaced
at the end of WWII, with more than a million dead. And the separation
of Pakistan and India also brought a transfer of millions with
hundreds of thousands dead.
So, my point is that we should neither regard the plight of
Palestinians as a unique tragedy, nor should we disregard it just
because it also happened to many more. Population transfer is now
considered illegal and a crime, yet that was the favoured policy at
the end of WWII.
ViejoVizcacha

David Moss

2009-04-25 08:55:07 UTC

Post by B J Foster
The
truth is that 'Palestine' never existed. Jordan (aka 'Trans-Jordan') is
east Palestine.

The map at
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story582.html
seems to tell a different story. Signed by Moshe Dayan too I notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

--
David Moss
Personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com

David Moss

2009-04-25 08:47:28 UTC

Post by B J Foster
The truth is that the majority of Palestinians fled

Why did they flee?

--
David Moss
Personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-23 00:33:08 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

Viejo Vizcacha

2009-04-23 01:00:57 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.

VV

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-23 01:39:02 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?
Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.

Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.

Viejo Vizcacha

2009-04-23 02:00:23 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.

Of course he is an hypocrite. You do not think I am an admirer of the
guy, do you? Nevertheless, what he says about how Israel came to be
and the impact on the Palestinians is absolutely true.

VV

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-23 04:19:01 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

Is that all? But that makes sense. I mean yeah he is a hypocrite who
oppresses bahai's but the allies could have given West Germany to the Jews.
Of course he is an hypocrite. You do not think I am an admirer of the
guy, do you? Nevertheless, what he says about how Israel came to be
and the impact on the Palestinians is absolutely true.

Nope and neather am I. I hate to agree with him but I can't really debate
the facts without resorting to petty name calling.

B J Foster

2009-04-23 10:05:47 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV

Crap. He said nothing of the sort.

Peter Webb

2009-04-23 10:30:19 UTC

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration
camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East Germany? Why couldn't
the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV

Crap. He said nothing of the sort.

He called Israel a racist state.

So much for any potential value from holding an international conference on
racism, not that there was any really any from the beginning. Did they
really think Ahmedinajad was there to learn how to better treat his own
racial minorities?

Good that Australia did not attend. Good that they Western world walked out
on him en-masse. Bad that men with beards clapped. At least we saw the faces
of our enemies.

B J Foster

2009-04-23 10:56:17 UTC

Exactly!!!! That is, in a nutshell, the argument of Ahmedinajad.
VV

Crap. He said nothing of the sort.

He called Israel a racist state.
So much for any potential value from holding an international conference
on racism, not that there was any really any from the beginning. Did
they really think Ahmedinajad was there to learn how to better treat his
own racial minorities?
Good that Australia did not attend. Good that they Western world walked
out on him en-masse. Bad that men with beards clapped. At least we saw
the faces of our enemies.

He's a liar and a hypocrite:

This from the Tehran Times:

"Minister says Sejjil missile improves Iran’s defense power

TEHRAN – Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najar stated on Wednesday
that the manufacture of solid fuel Sejjil missile has significantly
improved Iran’s missile capabilities.

'With manufacturing advanced missiles like Sejjil our young experts have
increased the Islamic Republic of Iran’s missile power', he told
reporters in Tehran.

In 2008 Iran successfully tested its two-stage surface-to-surface
missile which has a range of up to 1,200 miles.

Mohammad-Najjar said Iran has produced missiles such as Sejjil which are
more sophisticated than Shahab generation.

Asked about recent military threats against Iran by some Israeli
officials, he said Iran would 'decisively' respond to any attack"
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=192916

First of all, far from 'responding', Iran actively supports Hezbollah
and Hamas in terror attacks on Israeli civilians.

Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Third, hypocsrisy - religious persecution (as you say) is a problem in Iran:
"Although Christianity is a recognized religion in Iran, evangelical
Christians, some of whom have converted from Islam, often face
harassment by the authorities. Converts from Islam can risk arrest,
attack or the death penalty. Conversion from Islam (apostasy) is
considered as forbidden under Islamic Law, which requires apostates to
be put to death if they refuse to reconvert to Islam".
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE13/030/2009/en/b6f6b035-b2d0-4b7d-8a0f-810afeb85517/mde130302009eng.html

"The Baha’i faith was founded about 150 years ago in Iran and has since
spread around the world. Since the establishment of the Islamic Republic
of Iran in 1979, the Baha’i community has been systematically harassed
and persecuted. There are over 300,000 Baha’is currently in Iran, but
their religion is not recognized under the Iranian Constitution, which
only recognizes Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. Baha’is
in Iran are subject to discriminatory laws and regulations which violate
their right to practise their religion freely, as set out in Article
18(1) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to
which Iran is a state party. The Iranian authorities also deny Baha’is
equal rights to education, to work and to a decent standard of living by
restricting their access to employment and benefits such as pensions.
They are not permitted to meet, to hold religious ceremonies or to
practise their religion communally. Since President Ahmadinejad was
elected in 2005, dozens of Baha’is have been arrested".
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE13/023/2009/en/e9cfedb5-e819-4ad2-a7dc-226f9e57d87a/mde130232009en.html

Dunno why Ah-mad-Jihad got invited to the conference in the first place

Peter Webb

2009-04-23 12:17:25 UTC

Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.

Does that help?

B J Foster

2009-04-23 12:41:18 UTC

Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?

Of course

K***@hotmail.com

2009-04-23 19:43:02 UTC

Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?

Of course

You say the distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.

What's the distance from Tel Aviv to Tehran?

B J Foster

2009-04-23 21:24:15 UTC

Post by K***@hotmail.com

Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?

Of course

You say the distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
What's the distance from Tel Aviv to Tehran?

Idiot. Show me *one* single instance where Israeli leaders have *ever*
threatened anyone with annihilation.

kangarooistan

2009-04-23 12:47:50 UTC

On Apr 23, 9:17 pm, "Peter Webb"

Post by B J Foster
Second, why on earth would a *defensive* missile need a range of 1,200
miles?

Distance from Tehran to Tel Aviv: 1,279 miles.
Does that help?

If they stopped spying for the USA and Israel they would soon run out
of money and fade away , without being jailed for treason

Why dont they go live in Israel where their HQ is , google Bahai HQ

Check out the very early pictures of Bahai and WHO THEY ARE PICTURED
WITH , they were created by and for western spy agencies and its as
plain as the nose on your face they still are

kanga
=====

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=bahai+hq&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU291AU291&ie=UTF-8

Government Shill #2

2009-04-23 05:07:56 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the concetration

And Seon is allowed to massacure [sic] the English language.

--
Shill #2

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum

B J Foster

2009-04-23 10:15:18 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses without
mangling them.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-23 11:18:29 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses without
mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German people
allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

B J Foster

2009-04-23 12:42:18 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Viejo Vizcacha

2009-04-23 15:45:31 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!

BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.

At the end of WWII, population transfer was not seen as a crime, as it
is today. In fact, population transfer was considered a "solution" to
many problems, an compared to the slaughter of Jews that was defined
as a "final solution", simply taking people from one place and moving
them to another was seen as compassionate and humane.

VV

VV

Peter Webb

2009-04-23 15:50:55 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!

BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.

*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-24 00:29:25 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

Peter Webb

2009-04-24 01:19:01 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the second
world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full of crap,
that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about the Balfour
declaration, so its off-topic.

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-24 02:32:31 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not want to have
Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there were some
Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism and
discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism but to
ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not matter. The
fact that millions had to lose their country, their livelihoods, and
their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children in the
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of East
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of Germany as well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with the
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented well
before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well before
ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left. Also doesn't
Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the messiah comes? Ok
those are off topic as well...

B J Foster

2009-04-24 09:49:04 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not

want to >>>> > have

Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there

were >>>> > some

Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism

and

discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism

but >>>> > to

ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not

matter. >>>> > The

fact that millions had to lose their country, their

livelihoods, >>>> > and

their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children

in >>> the

Post by Seon Ferguson
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of

East

Post by Seon Ferguson
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of

Germany as

Post by Seon Ferguson
well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with

the

Post by Seon Ferguson
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.

No, they didn't

Post by Seon Ferguson
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-24 12:19:15 UTC

There was a terrible genocide on Jews and others in Europe. Because
some people are intolerant, bias, and racists and do not

want to >>>> > have

Jews around them, Hitler devised his "final solution." The solution
did not involve educating people, but rather murdering the people
being discriminated. Once Nazi Germany lost the war, there

were >>>> > some

Jews that were not murdered. What was the solution to racism

and

discrimination? Not to educate people on teh evils of racism

but >>>> > to

ship Jews out of Europe, to a place close to Europe, but not
Europe,
really.
The fact that that place was already occupied did not

matter. >>>> > The

fact that millions had to lose their country, their

livelihoods, >>>> > and

their lives, was of no importance to those White decision makers.
That is the truth, said by Ahmadinejad, or by Ben Gurion.
VV

Rubbish
The truth is that Palestinians paid for the sins of Europeans.

I did not say that - VV did. Please learn to edit your responses
without mangling them.

I just reply to people's posts.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And why should they? The German people elected Hitler. The German
people allowed Hitler to massacure innocent women and children

in >>> the

Post by Seon Ferguson
concetration camps. After the war didn't Russia get control of

East

Post by Seon Ferguson
Germany? Why couldn't the allies give the Jews a part of

Germany as

Post by Seon Ferguson
well?

What a silly proposition.

It's about as silly as forcing Arab's, who had nothing to do with

the

Post by Seon Ferguson
holocaust, out of their homes.

I see that you've fallen for Ah-mad-Jihad's propaganda

Instead of resorting to truthiness, Seon got himself informed. That
is a shame!
BTW, please do not waste time telling us that Ahmadenijad is an
hypocrite. Of course he is, not because he is a Muslim, but because he
is a politician. So, on that we have agreed. What we are saying is
that, what he said in Geneva, is the truth: there was a genocide of
Jews (among other groups) in Europe, and as a result, they invented a
country for Jews, and they took the place inhabited by Palestinians,
and on that land they created Israel.
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.

No, they didn't

True there was still Semetic people in Israel, is that what you mean?

Peter Webb

2009-04-24 10:55:29 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full of
crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about the
Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things you
only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...

Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on some
tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the Pakistanis stole
Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah blah.

Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is being
discussed.

Why is that?

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-24 12:20:47 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things you
only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just like
Israel.

Peter Webb

2009-04-24 13:00:19 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say about
the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being partitioned
off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate) an almost
identical process occurred with the partition of India into a large Hindu
state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In this latter
partition of India, many millions were killed, and the terrible things
you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from
their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions
dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist, blah
blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.

So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a nation
but not Pakistan's ?

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 00:01:46 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is full
of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to say
about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a nation
but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Peter Webb

2009-04-25 01:10:23 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim state.
Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely Hindu state.

The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews to
live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.

The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who apply
different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or Christianity for
that matter.

You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern history
if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I suggest you stop
and learn some history first.

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 01:20:06 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who apply
different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or Christianity for
that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party in
America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the labour
party in Australia?
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

Peter Webb

2009-04-25 01:47:08 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

I never claimed it was.

How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that believe
that Pakistan has a right to exist?

Double standards?

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never go
on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.

Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms surrounding
their creation?

Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it derives
from racism?

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 05:41:43 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was
is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing
to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at
gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

I never claimed it was.

Calling me a racist for not blindly supporting it makes it look like it is a
race.

Post by Peter Webb
How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that
believe that Pakistan has a right to exist?
Double standards?

I believe Israel has a right to exist dumbass.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.

And the Zionist party in Israel IS NOT a country.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never go
on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.
Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms surrounding
their creation?
Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it
derives from racism?

See there you go again. I believe Israel has the right to exist as I have
stated countless times. So eather you are an idiot or you are ignoring that
fact on purpose.
And I do not know much about Pakistan. That is not the issue.

Peter Webb

2009-04-25 08:55:44 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and
the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to
exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

I never claimed it was.

Calling me a racist for not blindly supporting it makes it look like it is
a race.

Post by Peter Webb
How come there isn't some special word that you use for people that
believe that Pakistan has a right to exist?
Double standards?

I believe Israel has a right to exist dumbass.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

What a poor analogy. The democrat party in America is not a country, to
start off with.

And the Zionist party in Israel IS NOT a country.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

I am just curious to know why you apply different criteria to the Jewish
state of Israel than you do to the Islamic state of Pakistan, and never
go on about the injustices surrounding the creation of Pakistan.
Why do apparently only single out Jewish states for criticisms
surrounding their creation?
Do you see this is a massive double standard, its hypocrisy, and it
derives from racism?

See there you go again. I believe Israel has the right to exist as I have
stated countless times. So eather you are an idiot or you are ignoring
that fact on purpose.

I never disputed this.

What I did point out was that you hold Israel to account to different
standards than you use for countries with different dominant religions;
Pakistan and Islam being an obvious example.

Post by Seon Ferguson
And I do not know much about Pakistan. That is not the issue.

Why DO you go on about the events surrounding the birth of Israel, but never
about the events surrounding the birth of other countries, even when these
were far more violent and had far less historical or other justification?

SaPeIsMa

2009-04-25 02:50:52 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from a
position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

You're not one to talk about "logical fallacy" sonny, when you've just
committed a couple of your own

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 05:43:17 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was
is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing
to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at
gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british,
just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for Jews
to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?

Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.

Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?

Post by Seon Ferguson
Plus pointing to something else to justify something is a logical fallacy.

You're not one to talk about "logical fallacy" sonny, when you've just
committed a couple of your own

SaPeIsMa

2009-04-25 06:26:50 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and
the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to
exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they
at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of the
birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have been
exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none about
Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites who
apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it from
a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about modern
history if you don't know anything about the partition of India), I
suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?

Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.

He did NOT
: Learn to read before you put your foot into it again

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat party
in America, or racist against Australians because you don't support the
labour party in Australia?

STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.

Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?

1) Since I did NOT call you are
"for not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping
Israel",
you can stick that stupid STRAWMAN rigght back up your ass where you
got it from in the first place
2) Don't give a ra'ts ass if you dont't "support Zionism or blindly
worship Israel"
Nobody asked you to
But on the other hand you should try engaging your brain before
posting this kind of stupid shit'

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 08:41:52 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after
the second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it
was is full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had
nothing to say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel
well before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the
Jews left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be
re-established when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as
well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition
of India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many
millions were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse
Israel doing really did happen - people being forced from their
homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go
off on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong,
and the Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right
to exist, blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel
is being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were
they at least moved to another location? That is the fault of the
british, just like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Israel involved the creation of a Jewish enclave in a largely Muslim
state. Pakistan involved the creation of a Muslim enclave in a largely
Hindu state.
The key and substantial difference is that Israel was somewhere for
Jews to live, and Pakistan was somewhere for Muslims.
The criticism of Israel's birth, while ignoring the circumstance of
the birth of other nations, is motivated by anti-semitism. If you have
been exposed to lots of conversation about Israel's birth, and none
about Pakistan's, then it is because you are listening to anti-semites
who apply different standards to Judaism than they do to Islam, or
Christianity for that matter.
You are just perpetuating this anti-semitism, and you are doing it
from a position of ignorance (as you clearly know very little about
modern history if you don't know anything about the partition of
India), I suggest you stop and learn some history first.

Zionism is not a race. Get over it.

DOH !
<sound of hand slapping back of head !>
Where did ANYONE, OTHER THAN YOU, make such an ignorant claim ?

Peter Dweeb told me I was a racist. I support Israel's right to exist and
wish the Jewish people all the best.

He did NOT
: Learn to read before you put your foot into it again

Post by Seon Ferguson
Are you racist against Americans if you don't support the democrat
party in America, or racist against Australians because you don't
support the labour party in Australia?

STRAWMAN !
You feed it you fucking idiot.

Its an example. Why won't you answer the question. You call me racist for
not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping Israel.
So what if I don't?

1) Since I did NOT call you are
"for not blindly supporting Zionism or blindly worshiping
Israel",
you can stick that stupid STRAWMAN rigght back up your ass where
you got it from in the first place
2) Don't give a ra'ts ass if you dont't "support Zionism or blindly
worship Israel"
Nobody asked you to
But on the other hand you should try engaging your brain before
posting this kind of stupid shit'

*arse

SaPeIsMa

2009-04-25 02:43:16 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was invented
well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews left.
Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established when the
messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British mandate)
an almost identical process occurred with the partition of India into a
large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim enclave - Pakistan. In
this latter partition of India, many millions were killed, and the
terrible things you only accuse Israel doing really did happen - people
being forced from their homes at gunpoint, widespread theft of land, of
assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off on
some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance

Seon Ferguson

2009-04-25 05:44:07 UTC

Post by Peter Webb
*********************
I think you will find a country for Jews called Israel was
invented well before the end of World War 2.

That we can agree on. What about the Balfour Decleration?

As long as you agree with me that Israel was not invented after the
second world war, and whoever posted the statement that it was is
full of crap, that is fine by me. AFAIK Ahmadinejad had nothing to
say about the Balfour declaration, so its off-topic.

Yes but it is proof that people were trying to establish Israel well
before ww2. Also Israel did exist in Biblical times but the Jews
left. Also doesn't Jewish law say Israel should be re-established
when the messiah comes? Ok those are off topic as well...

You know, at almost exactly the same time as Israel was being
partitioned off as a Jewish enclave, in India (another British
mandate) an almost identical process occurred with the partition of
India into a large Hindu state - India - and a smaller Muslim
enclave - Pakistan. In this latter partition of India, many millions
were killed, and the terrible things you only accuse Israel doing
really did happen - people being forced from their homes at gunpoint,
widespread theft of land, of assets, millions dead ...
Yet in general discussions about India or Pakistan, you never go off
on some tangent about how the partition of India was wrong, and the
Pakistanis stole Hindu land, and how Pakistan has no right to exist,
blah blah.
Yet you frequently bring up the same period of history when Israel is
being discussed.
Why is that?

Well were people forced out of their homes in India? If so were they at
least moved to another location? That is the fault of the british, just
like Israel.

Yes, definitely, and even more so than in Pakistan.
So, why do you go on about the circumstances of Israel's birth as a
nation but not Pakistan's ?

Because to be honest I don't know much about it. I didn't know about
Israel's origins until afew years ago (well modern Israel)

Well, at least you do admit to a great deal of ignorance
Maybe you should do more studying BEFORE you take positions that are
undermined by your ignorance

I studied Israel's origins pretty clearly. You refuse to accept that hotel's
were bombed by TERRORISTS who later became prime ministers (look up the king
david hotel bombing)

Peter Webb

2009-04-25 09:02:11 UTC