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Gig report, opening for Georgia Satellites
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Odin
2004-08-15 19:24:05 UTC
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We occasionally do an "opening" gig for a national act. You never know
how these will turn out and there are so many variables that can go wrong
like the stage setup and sharing of gear, the sound company and the
attitudes of the headliner. Luckily, everything went well this time.

The venue was a multi-level outdoor club on the water at Lake Texoma (TX/OK
border) with the partially covered stage literally over the water. We
showed up around 4pm and the sound company was still tweaking the backline
for the headliner so we stood around and bs'ed with the crew. The sound co
guys were cool, no attitudes. It turns out that one of our ex sound techs
had worked for this company and they shared our dislike for the guy. I'm
just glad he wasn't still working for them. They had huge monitors all over
the stage, including 2 big wedges for each guy up front and for the drummer.
For mains they had 8 dual 18's for subs and 8 dual 15's and horns for tops.
A total of sixteen 18" subs, sixteen 15" full range and 8 compression driver
horns. The venue was pretty large and outdoors so I guess they felt they
needed plenty of sound reinforcement. There was a monitor engineer with a
monitor board set up on stage left. FOH was about 50' out in front and they
had a light tech as well for the dozens of PAR64 cans that would cook us
later.

The Georgia Satellites flew in with only guitars, so the sound co had a
rented backline for them. Marshall JCM900 stacks (yuck), a nice flamed
maple DW drum kit, an Ampeg "refrigerator" 8x10 cab with head for the bass
and a basic piano keyboard. After the backline was set and the Sats did a
little soundcheck (they seemed like they had been drinking for a while
already) we set up our gear in front of their gear. Luckily the sound co
had extended the venue stage with an additional 8'x24' stage addition in the
front. We set up and soundchecked by around 6-6:30 and the show didn't
start until 8:15, so we had some time to kill.

Yo Howldog, I talked to Ricky and told him you said hi. He knew right
away who you were and said he knew you and "the chick singer". He seemed
like a pretty laid back guy. They had definitely been drinking before the
show.

This is the good part. They sent us over to the restraunt and fed us
for free (steaks and seafood). After we ate they took us to our dressing
room, which turned out to be a suite overlooking the lake complete with
bedroom, living room, bathroom and kitchen. The fridge was stocked with
beer and booze and there were snacks and stuff. We wished we had gone up
there earlier but it's probably best that we didn't because who knows what
shape we'd be in by show time. When it was time to go on they sent a golf
cart for us to take us to the stage. I think I want this at all shows now,
there's something about being driven around on a golf cart that I like.

The crowd was a little smaller than I expected when the show started,
but they kept coming in and by the middle of the show it was pretty full.
We went on around 8:15 and our first set was decent but nothing to get
excited about. We took a short break and went back on around 9:45 to a much
fuller house. Our second set was good. Of course I had put the better
material in the second set, but we were just playing better than we had in
the first set as well. A lot of times when you open for a national act the
headliner won't even come out of their rooms until the opening act is
finished, but about halfway through our second set the Satellites were
hanging out over in the "backstage" area, tuning up and getting ready. We
had the crowd going and the last 3 songs were back to back winners with the
place on their feet.

When we ended the crowd was yelling for more but we had to get our gear
off the stage and let the Satellites take the stage. We tore down out gear
(with the help of the sound co stage crew) and cleared the stage in 7
minutes. For a 6 piece band this has got to be a record, at least for us it
is. As we were loading off gear the Satellites guitar player commented to
another band member "shit, we have to follow that" which was a definite
compliment IMO. We definitely didn't hold back anything in the second set.

As soon as the Georgia Satellites took the stage the crowd was on their
feet, the light show was better and the FOH cranked up the sound. It's a
shame, but the opening act never gets more than half of the "show" because
it's always held in reserve for the headliner. I understand why, I just
wish we could have gotten the whole "show" too, but that's not for opening
bands. The bass player for the Sats played a clear Dan Armstrong bass. The
guitar player had a purple PRS Custom and some sort of odd looking guitar as
a backup, plus a clear Dan Armstrong guitar tuned open. The Sats played a
few originals but even more covers (Stones, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran,
George Jones, etc...). To be completely honest, they didn't play as well as
they could have, probably due to the alcohol. They had energy on stage that
carried the show, and the bass player knew how to talk to the crowd, but the
playing wasn't up to par with a headliner. I don't know if it was just an
off show for them or not, but I was a little disappointed in their set.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-15 19:34:59 UTC
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and the
attitudes of the headliner.
how about the opener?




sounds like a great gig
Odin
2004-08-15 20:57:44 UTC
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and the
attitudes of the headliner.
how about the opener?
We're just local hacks, we don't have attitudes.
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sounds like a great gig
It was fun, I recommend it.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-15 21:11:02 UTC
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and the
attitudes of the headliner.
how about the opener?
We're just local hacks, we don't have attitudes.
hah.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 12:52:51 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Odin
2004-08-17 14:01:59 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
I don't think so, he wasn't with the band last weekend.
monitor point seven
2004-08-17 14:54:29 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
I don't think so, he wasn't with the band last weekend.
Dan Baird is touring with Allison Moorer this summer.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 15:03:52 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
I don't think so, he wasn't with the band last weekend.
Dan Baird is touring with Allison Moorer this summer.
interesting
PRS GEEK
2004-08-17 16:30:33 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real nice job
with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.

Jeff
Nil
2004-08-17 17:44:11 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real
nice job with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
I don't know much Georgia Satellite music, but I do think that Tele
sound in "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" is just about perfect.
PRS GEEK
2004-08-17 18:08:54 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real
nice job with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
I don't know much Georgia Satellite music, but I do think that Tele
sound in "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" is just about perfect.
Yeah, with about 275 ms of delay on that intro. Classic Tele with an
overdriven amp sound.

Luv that sound. Hate that song...

Jeff
howldog
2004-08-17 20:23:24 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real
nice job with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
I don't know much Georgia Satellite music, but I do think that Tele
sound in "Keep Your Hands to Yourself" is just about perfect.
Yeah, with about 275 ms of delay on that intro. Classic Tele with an
overdriven amp sound.
Brutally loud HiWatt. Cook yer shorts loud. Clean enough to cut your
head off at 25 yards. Yee gods those guys were loud.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 17:46:59 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real nice job
with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
Jeff
Yeah he's done a couple of Chris Knight albums in town...good guitar stuff.
I still say some here should definitely get Chris Knight's first disc which
Frank Lidell produced....David Grissom, Kenny Greenberg & then some on guitars.
Very good.



Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm
PRS GEEK
2004-08-17 18:09:40 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a real nice job
with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
Jeff
Yeah he's done a couple of Chris Knight albums in town...good guitar stuff.
I still say some here should definitely get Chris Knight's first disc which
Frank Lidell produced....David Grissom, Kenny Greenberg & then some on guitars.
Very good.
You need to make me a copy of that!!!!

Jeff
Odin
2004-08-17 18:18:27 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a
real nice job
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with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
Jeff
Yeah he's done a couple of Chris Knight albums in
town...good guitar stuff.
Post by Mondoslug1
I still say some here should definitely get Chris Knight's
first disc which
Post by Mondoslug1
Frank Lidell produced....David Grissom, Kenny Greenberg &
then some on guitars.
Post by Mondoslug1
Very good.
I have all of Chris Knight's stuff, one of my favorite new
guys. He's pretty dark, which I like. I'm surprised that
Chris Knight has anything to do with NashVega$, his music
sounds decidedly un-pop.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 18:51:06 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
He's also produced a few local (to me) CD's that he did a
real nice job
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Post by PRS GEEK
with. The dude knows how to get a nice guitar sound.
Jeff
Yeah he's done a couple of Chris Knight albums in
town...good guitar stuff.
Post by Mondoslug1
I still say some here should definitely get Chris Knight's
first disc which
Post by Mondoslug1
Frank Lidell produced....David Grissom, Kenny Greenberg &
then some on guitars.
Post by Mondoslug1
Very good.
I have all of Chris Knight's stuff, one of my favorite new
guys. He's pretty dark, which I like.
What's dark about guns & alcohol.....like in every tune?

I'm surprised that
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Chris Knight has anything to do with NashVega$, his music
sounds decidedly un-pop.
Xactly. His charm has wore off some here though it seems but for awhile he was
the cool thing.
Odin
2004-08-17 20:17:06 UTC
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Yeah he's done a couple of Chris Knight albums in
town...good guitar stuff.
I still say some here should definitely get Chris
Knight's
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first disc which
Frank Lidell produced....David Grissom, Kenny
Greenberg &
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then some on guitars.
Very good.
I have all of Chris Knight's stuff, one of my favorite
new
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guys. He's pretty dark, which I like.
What's dark about guns & alcohol.....like in every tune?
Nothing. It's downright cheerful, in fact. I particularly
like the tunes "William" and "If I Were You". His voice and
bare musical accompanyment work really well together.
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I'm surprised that
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Chris Knight has anything to do with NashVega$, his music
sounds decidedly un-pop.
Xactly. His charm has wore off some here though it seems
but for awhile he was
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the cool thing.
In a similar style of music I like Fred Eaglesmith, too.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 20:26:26 UTC
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Xactly. His charm has wore off some here though it seems
but for awhile he was
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the cool thing.
In a similar style of music I like Fred Eaglesmith, too.
not familiar - will investigate
Odin
2004-08-17 21:49:00 UTC
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Xactly. His charm has wore off some here though it
seems
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but for awhile he was
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the cool thing.
In a similar style of music I like Fred Eaglesmith, too.
not familiar - will investigate
Very raw. Not acceptable in the NashVega$ city limits. The
polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
howldog
2004-08-18 15:16:38 UTC
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The
polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Steve
2004-08-18 15:28:27 UTC
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The
polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
\
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Hmmm. Universally liked, great marketer, demonstrably selfless (see below),
and a decent voice, fantastic stage performer.
I guess it's uncool to like him because he's popular...

Interesting note: JoDee Messina and Tim McGraw have been friends for many
years, back to the time when they were both young and unknown, working day jobs
in Nashville.

After "Heads Carolina", JoDee's first hit, there was a LONG dry period for her.
Eventually she had no record contract.

In the meantime, Tim was becoming famous and making some money. So he
bankrolled the recording and production of her next CD ("I'm Alright"), telling
her that he'd produce, together with a co-producer, because Tim hadn't ever
produced before and wanted an experienced hand with him. He told JoDee that if
she didn't like the results, she need not release it. He did it for free.

And he paid for it all. Six figures.

And for a year, the CD did...nothing. NOTHING.

JoDee and her then-husband had virtually everyting they owned for sale: house,
gear, etc...a career in music was over.

And then, for no apparent reason, "I'm Alright" became a huge hit. Then "Bye
Bye"...etc...there were 4 or 5 top five or #1 tunes on the CD by the time it
was over.

Tim produced the next one for JoDee ("Burn") alone. More hits.

Reportedly, Tim never would accept reimbursement for the first record. And
after "Silver Thunderbird" became a hit for JoDee (yeah, the Mark tune), Tim
gave JoDee a 50's Tbird....

That's a friend. And not somone you'd necessarily want to be the OPPOSITE
of...




SEFSTRAT
solo webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
howldog
2004-08-18 15:40:36 UTC
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The
polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
\
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Hmmm. Universally liked, great marketer, demonstrably selfless (see below),
and a decent voice, fantastic stage performer.
I guess it's uncool to like him because he's popular...
i just hate his music, pretty much. No crime in that. If you like it,
great.
Steve
2004-08-19 15:49:07 UTC
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<<>>>polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
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\
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Hmmm. Universally liked, great marketer, demonstrably selfless (see below),
and a decent voice, fantastic stage performer.
I guess it's uncool to like him because he's popular...
i just hate his music, pretty much. No crime in that. If you like it,
great.>>>


Howl, check out "Live Like You Were Dying".


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solo webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
howldog
2004-08-19 16:36:18 UTC
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<<>>>polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
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\
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Hmmm. Universally liked, great marketer, demonstrably selfless (see below),
and a decent voice, fantastic stage performer.
I guess it's uncool to like him because he's popular...
i just hate his music, pretty much. No crime in that. If you like it,
great.>>>
Howl, check out "Live Like You Were Dying".
I've heard it. Didnt do much for me. Production was superb. Playing
was excellent as usual.
Odin
2004-08-18 16:02:23 UTC
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The
polar opposite of Tim McGraw.
\
thats the nicest thing you coulda said about anybody.
Hmmm. Universally liked, great marketer, demonstrably
selfless (see below),
Post by Steve
and a decent voice, fantastic stage performer.
I guess it's uncool to like him because he's popular...
Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage or
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop music
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country &
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania Twain,
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of NashVega$
and have nothing to do with real country music other than
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle on a
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their videos.

If you like that sort of pop tripe there's nothing wrong
with that, I just can't abide it.
monitor point seven
2004-08-18 18:53:07 UTC
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Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage or
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop music
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country &
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania Twain,
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of NashVega$
and have nothing to do with real country music other than
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle on a
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their videos.
I agree with this psot.
Odin
2004-08-18 20:14:25 UTC
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Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage
or
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop
music
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country
&
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania
Twain,
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of
NashVega$
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
and have nothing to do with real country music other
than
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle
on a
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their
videos.
Post by monitor point seven
I agree with this psot.
This is probably Andy Most, but he had to use an alias for
fear of never working in NashVega$ again.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-18 20:42:33 UTC
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Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage
or
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop
music
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country
&
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania
Twain,
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of
NashVega$
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
and have nothing to do with real country music other
than
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle
on a
Post by monitor point seven
Post by Odin
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their
videos.
Post by monitor point seven
I agree with this psot.
This is probably Andy Most, but he had to use an alias for
fear of never working in NashVega$ again.
That is too funny..you must be psycho-ic or something. I saw the post, passed
on it & saw the reply & thought you know what if anybody gave a rat's ass they
might think it's me...it wasn't however. What the bjork - I agree with yours &
howldog's assessment wholeheartedly but hey he's doing something right I guess.
Odin
2004-08-18 22:31:49 UTC
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I agree with this psot.
This is probably Andy Most, but he had to use an alias
for
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Post by Odin
fear of never working in NashVega$ again.
That is too funny..you must be psycho-ic or something. I
saw the post, passed
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on it & saw the reply & thought you know what if anybody
gave a rat's ass they
Post by Mondoslug1
might think it's me...it wasn't however. What the bjork -
I agree with yours &
Post by Mondoslug1
howldog's assessment wholeheartedly but hey he's doing
something right I guess.

Pop music is pop music. Lots of people like it, that's why
it's popular (pop). Nothing wrong with that. I just don't
like it and what it's all about, which is basically using
music to sell merchandise. I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-18 22:50:16 UTC
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I agree with this psot.
This is probably Andy Most, but he had to use an alias
for
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Odin
fear of never working in NashVega$ again.
That is too funny..you must be psycho-ic or something. I
saw the post, passed
Post by Mondoslug1
on it & saw the reply & thought you know what if anybody
gave a rat's ass they
Post by Mondoslug1
might think it's me...it wasn't however. What the bjork -
I agree with yours &
Post by Mondoslug1
howldog's assessment wholeheartedly but hey he's doing
something right I guess.
Pop music is pop music. Lots of people like it, that's why
it's popular (pop). Nothing wrong with that. I just don't
like it and what it's all about, which is basically using
music to sell merchandise. I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You get no debate about any of this from me.
Odin
2004-08-18 23:09:21 UTC
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Pop music is pop music. Lots of people like it, that's
why
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it's popular (pop). Nothing wrong with that. I just
don't
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Post by Odin
like it and what it's all about, which is basically using
music to sell merchandise. I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a
cool
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Odin
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You get no debate about any of this from me.
Not that I'd turn down Tim McGraw's big money contract if it
was stuck in front of me.
Ricky Robbins
2004-08-19 04:36:07 UTC
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I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You do realize, of course, that there are those who prefer pop because
it either has something to say or it moves them on some emotional
level or at the very least it has a cool groove that they can get in
to, and they think what you listen to is shallow and generic and it
doesn't hold their interest. We both can call them wrong, but it's
all just a matter of opinion.

Ricky
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 03:25:48 UTC
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Post by Odin
I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You do realize, of course, that there are those who prefer pop because
it either has something to say or it moves them on some emotional
level or at the very least it has a cool groove that they can get in
to, and they think what you listen to is shallow and generic and it
doesn't hold their interest. We both can call them wrong, but it's
all just a matter of opinion.
No, someone's wrong. <g>
Post by Ricky Robbins
Ricky
Les Cargill
2004-08-19 03:53:53 UTC
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Post by Odin
I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You do realize, of course, that there are those who prefer pop because
it either has something to say or it moves them on some emotional
level or at the very least it has a cool groove that they can get in
to, and they think what you listen to is shallow and generic and it
doesn't hold their interest. We both can call them wrong, but it's
all just a matter of opinion.
Ricky
Without stepping too deeply into this, the Best Things In Life are
great masterpieces disguised as cheap disposable art.

See also, "Brian Wilson".

--
Les Cargill
Odin
2004-08-19 05:49:35 UTC
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Post by Ricky Robbins
Post by Odin
I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.
You do realize, of course, that there are those who prefer pop because
it either has something to say or it moves them on some emotional
level or at the very least it has a cool groove that they can get in
to, and they think what you listen to is shallow and generic and it
doesn't hold their interest. We both can call them wrong, but it's
all just a matter of opinion.
Ricky
I stand corrected. Kenny Chesney is really starting to speak to me on a
deeper level now. And his music is so unique and compelling. Or not.
Steve
2004-08-19 15:51:45 UTC
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<<Pop music is pop music. Lots of people like it, that's why
it's popular (pop). Nothing wrong with that. I just don't
like it and what it's all about, which is basically using
music to sell merchandise. I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.>>

Don't dismiss the genre. Lots of "young country" (pop or rock with a steel
guitar?) still has great lyrics.

This arose in a Tim McGraw context...so check out "live like you were dying"
and "she can't really be gone". Like any other genre, there's lots of mediocre
stuff and a little really, really good stuff. And when you dismiss a whole
genre--particularly the most popular and copmmon genre today--you're gonna miss
some great gems.


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Odin
2004-08-19 16:16:39 UTC
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Post by Steve
<<Pop music is pop music. Lots of people like it, that's
why
Post by Steve
it's popular (pop). Nothing wrong with that. I just
don't
Post by Steve
like it and what it's all about, which is basically using
music to sell merchandise. I tend to prefer music that's
either got something to say or that moves me on some
emotional level or at the very least music that has a cool
groove that I can get in to. Pop is usually very shallow
and generic and doesn't hold my interest.>>
Don't dismiss the genre. Lots of "young country" (pop or
rock with a steel
Post by Steve
guitar?) still has great lyrics.
This arose in a Tim McGraw context...so check out "live
like you were dying"
Post by Steve
and "she can't really be gone". Like any other genre,
there's lots of mediocre
Post by Steve
stuff and a little really, really good stuff. And when
you dismiss a whole
Post by Steve
genre--particularly the most popular and copmmon genre
today--you're gonna miss
Post by Steve
some great gems.
I've heard both of those songs. Just more sappy
Hallmark-cardesque lyrics aimed squarely at the 8th grade
educated horny housewife brigade. It's "good pop" if you
like pop, but lets not pretend that it's anything more than
formulaic pop written by hired guns, performed in the studio
by hired guns and acted out on stage by posers.
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 13:35:55 UTC
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Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage or
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop music
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country &
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania Twain,
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of NashVega$
and have nothing to do with real country music other than
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle on a
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their videos.
If you like that sort of pop tripe there's nothing wrong
with that, I just can't abide it.
The music got younger, while you (and me) got older...get over it. Heh.
Odin
2004-08-19 14:51:37 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage
or
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop
music
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country
&
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania
Twain,
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of
NashVega$
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
and have nothing to do with real country music other
than
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle
on a
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their
videos.
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
If you like that sort of pop tripe there's nothing wrong
with that, I just can't abide it.
The music got younger, while you (and me) got older...get
over it. Heh.

It ain't about age. I like some acts that are younger than
me. And I detest some acts that are older than me. Crap
will always be crap, whether it's Olivia Newton John or Tim
McGraw. or whoever's putting out crap at the time.
howldog
2004-08-19 14:59:43 UTC
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Post by Odin
It ain't about age. I like some acts that are younger than
me. And I detest some acts that are older than me. Crap
will always be crap,
and i'll probly always cover it.

eventually.
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 15:04:59 UTC
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Post by howldog
Post by Odin
It ain't about age. I like some acts that are younger than
me. And I detest some acts that are older than me. Crap
will always be crap,
and i'll probly always cover it.
eventually.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...God luv ya, Howl...ain't it the
truth...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ;+)
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 15:04:05 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
Nope. I can't stand his whiny awful voice, his tepid,
puerile faux-deep lyrics, his bad pop posturing on stage
or
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
the sound of any of his songs. I generally abhor pop
music
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
and Tim McGraw is no exception. I love a lot of country
&
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
western music, but Tim McGraw is not country & western
music. Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Faith Hill, Shania
Twain,
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
etc... are nothing more than the Blink 182's of
NashVega$
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
and have nothing to do with real country music other
than
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
they hire some session players to play steel and fiddle
on a
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
few tunes and they dress up and play cowboy on their
videos.
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Odin
If you like that sort of pop tripe there's nothing wrong
with that, I just can't abide it.
The music got younger, while you (and me) got older...get
over it. Heh.
It ain't about age. I like some acts that are younger than
me. And I detest some acts that are older than me. Crap
will always be crap, whether it's Olivia Newton John or Tim
McGraw. or whoever's putting out crap at the time.
Just 'rasslin with ya, bro. No harm, no foul. And, I agree. Crap is Crap.
Unless it's not. To somebody. Heh.
Odin
2004-08-19 15:42:59 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
The music got younger, while you (and me) got
older...get
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
over it. Heh.
It ain't about age. I like some acts that are younger
than
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
me. And I detest some acts that are older than me.
Crap
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
will always be crap, whether it's Olivia Newton John or
Tim
Post by Robert Barker
Post by Robert Barker
McGraw. or whoever's putting out crap at the time.
Just 'rasslin with ya, bro. No harm, no foul. And, I
agree. Crap is Crap.
Post by Robert Barker
Unless it's not. To somebody. Heh.
Just defending your Bay City Rollers 8-track collection, eh?
Vingo Optomalicious
2004-08-18 18:52:06 UTC
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Post by Steve
That's a friend. And not somone you'd necessarily want to be the OPPOSITE
of...
While I think what Tim did for Jo Dee is very cool and he IS a good
friend, as a musician and singer, he's a national cure for insomnia.

Great, great guy. Crappy singer.
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 13:47:14 UTC
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Post by Vingo Optomalicious
Post by Steve
That's a friend. And not somone you'd necessarily want to be the OPPOSITE
of...
While I think what Tim did for Jo Dee is very cool and he IS a good
friend, as a musician and singer, he's a national cure for insomnia.
Great, great guy. Crappy singer.
His voice isn't that bad...Some of the material, on the other
hand...Whew...Some of it seems like it was written by recent graduates of
the How to write a Country Song Academy. Send in your matchbook cover
kids...Can you draw me?
howldog
2004-08-19 14:06:55 UTC
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Post by Steve
Post by Vingo Optomalicious
Post by Steve
That's a friend. And not somone you'd necessarily want to be the
OPPOSITE
Post by Vingo Optomalicious
Post by Steve
of...
While I think what Tim did for Jo Dee is very cool and he IS a good
friend, as a musician and singer, he's a national cure for insomnia.
Great, great guy. Crappy singer.
His voice isn't that bad...Some of the material, on the other
hand...Whew...Some of it seems like it was written by recent graduates of
the How to write a Country Song Academy. Send in your matchbook cover
kids...Can you draw me?
Formulaic. TheNashvilleMachine. Most of the "artists" end up sounding
exactly the same. With obvious exceptions. Brad Paisley being one, he
writes his own stuff, and can play well. Nashville seems to be pure
singer egomania hell. All the stars are the singers, none of them can
play well, half of them dont write their own material, and it seems
like half the same virtuoso players are on every album, regardless of
who's singing. Just bizarre. Formulaic. Except for the singer, you
cant tell one"artist" from another. They all sound alike.

True, you could say that about much of the new rawk! coming out on
mainstream radio as well , i guess.

I like to listen to country for the instrumental stuff which is often
brilliant, and the production is always incredible. The singers ruin
it for me.
John S. Shinal
2004-08-19 14:28:43 UTC
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Post by howldog
Brad Paisley being one, he
writes his own stuff, and can play well.
I just heard "Me Neither" the other day - I knew he was good,
but didn't realize how fast he was. D-a-a-a-n-g !
Steve
2004-08-19 15:55:23 UTC
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<<> Brad Paisley being one, he
Post by howldog
writes his own stuff, and can play well.
I just heard "Me Neither" the other day - I knew he was good,
but didn't realize how fast he was. D-a-a-a-n-g ! >>

And that one isn;t about speed. It's about note choices in those quick
runs--very unusual, angular, different--and very funny, in places where it
matches the lyrics in the tune (e.g., the staggering, lurching, angular
falling-down-the-stairs licks that sometimes folow the point in the tune where
the girl he's propositioning turns him down).


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Robert Barker
2004-08-19 14:31:10 UTC
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Post by howldog
Formulaic. TheNashvilleMachine. Most of the "artists" end up sounding
exactly the same. With obvious exceptions. Brad Paisley being one, he
writes his own stuff, and can play well. Nashville seems to be pure
singer egomania hell. All the stars are the singers, none of them can
play well, half of them dont write their own material, and it seems
like half the same virtuoso players are on every album, regardless of
who's singing. Just bizarre. Formulaic. Except for the singer, you
cant tell one"artist" from another. They all sound alike.
True, you could say that about much of the new rawk! coming out on
mainstream radio as well , i guess.
I like to listen to country for the instrumental stuff which is often
brilliant, and the production is always incredible. The singers ruin
it for me.
True. Seems to be a relatively small cadre of writers that get called
regularly, and obviously you're right about the 'formula', but that's
everywhere..Risk aversion...the watchwords of the last couple of decades in
the entertainment industries, for sure. On the other hand, people can get
their music and whatnot out there *far* easier than ever before, and without
a lot of corporate support, thanks to the 'net, so I guess it's not all bad
news...Problem there is S/N...just like here! Heh.
Ricky W. Hunt
2004-08-20 03:32:58 UTC
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Post by howldog
Formulaic. TheNashvilleMachine. Most of the "artists" end up sounding
exactly the same. With obvious exceptions. Brad Paisley being one, he
Except he OD's on the autotune too (at least on the background stuff). I
HATE that. I'd rather listen to sawtooth waves (well, actually that's what
we ARE listening to).

Ricky Robbins
2004-08-19 16:22:11 UTC
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Post by Steve
Post by Vingo Optomalicious
Post by Steve
That's a friend. And not somone you'd necessarily want to be the
OPPOSITE
Post by Vingo Optomalicious
Post by Steve
of...
While I think what Tim did for Jo Dee is very cool and he IS a good
friend, as a musician and singer, he's a national cure for insomnia.
Great, great guy. Crappy singer.
His voice isn't that bad...Some of the material, on the other
hand...Whew...
While I've never heard Tim McGraw that I remember, there was a short
Newsweek interview in this weeks issue where they asked, given that he
has written a couple of books, why doesn't he write songs. He says he
does write songs, he just never likes what he writes. So if you're
right about what he records, you have to wonder what the ones he wrote
look like.

Ricky
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 15:09:18 UTC
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Post by Ricky Robbins
While I've never heard Tim McGraw that I remember, there was a short
Newsweek interview in this weeks issue where they asked, given that he
has written a couple of books, why doesn't he write songs. He says he
does write songs, he just never likes what he writes. So if you're
look like.
Ricky
At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what he wants..So if he's
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't want to...Of course,
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is that...He may have penned
some really good stuff, who knows?
Steve
2004-08-19 15:56:19 UTC
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<<At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what he wants..So if he's
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't want to...Of course,
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is that...He may have penned
some really good stuff, who knows?>>

He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and the sound, in that genre.
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Odin
2004-08-19 16:18:06 UTC
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Post by Steve
<<At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what
he wants..So if he's
Post by Steve
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't
want to...Of course,
Post by Steve
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is
that...He may have penned
Post by Steve
some really good stuff, who knows?>>
He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and the
sound, in that genre.

You think his handlers let him anywhere near the mix? The
record company made him, buys his songs for him, hires his
musicians for him and markets him. What makes you think
he's responsible for anything beyond filling out his tight
jeans and wearing that silly hat to cover his bald head?
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 16:27:13 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Steve
<<At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what
he wants..So if he's
Post by Steve
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't
want to...Of course,
Post by Steve
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is
that...He may have penned
Post by Steve
some really good stuff, who knows?>>
He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and the
sound, in that genre.
You think his handlers let him anywhere near the mix? The
record company made him, buys his songs for him, hires his
musicians for him and markets him. What makes you think
he's responsible for anything beyond filling out his tight
jeans and wearing that silly hat to cover his bald head?
No he's hands on big.
Odin
2004-08-19 17:23:00 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
Post by Steve
He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and
the
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
sound, in that genre.
You think his handlers let him anywhere near the mix?
The
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
record company made him, buys his songs for him, hires
his
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
musicians for him and markets him. What makes you think
he's responsible for anything beyond filling out his
tight
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
jeans and wearing that silly hat to cover his bald head?
No he's hands on big.
Really? Can't hear any difference between his tripe and the
other tripe. Either he's really good or it's all pretty
much the same ol same ol and it don't matter. Because it
sounds like everything else in Nashville when it comes
across the radio.
howldog
2004-08-19 16:37:21 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Steve
<<At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what
he wants..So if he's
Post by Steve
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't
want to...Of course,
Post by Steve
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is
that...He may have penned
Post by Steve
some really good stuff, who knows?>>
He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and the
sound, in that genre.
You think his handlers let him anywhere near the mix? The
record company made him, buys his songs for him, hires his
musicians for him and markets him. What makes you think
he's responsible for anything beyond filling out his tight
jeans and wearing that silly hat to cover his bald head?
howldog
2004-08-19 16:38:13 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
Post by Steve
<<At this point in his career, he's big enough to do what
he wants..So if he's
Post by Steve
not recording his own material, it's 'cause he doesn't
want to...Of course,
Post by Steve
most of us are our own worst critics, so there is
that...He may have penned
Post by Steve
some really good stuff, who knows?>>
He's a good producer. Has a good ear for the mix and the
sound, in that genre.
You think his handlers let him anywhere near the mix? The
record company made him, buys his songs for him, hires his
musicians for him and markets him. What makes you think
he's responsible for anything beyond filling out his tight
jeans and wearing that silly hat to cover his bald head?
doh, accidentally hit send.

with nothing to say.

twice now.

your tax dollars work
Robb Scott
2004-08-17 22:55:56 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band called the
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those other guys
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.

Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
Dana Craft
2004-08-17 23:00:58 UTC
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Post by Robb Scott
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band called the
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those other guys
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.
Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
Sorry! You were doing pretty good until you got to the 'B' word
Mondoslug1
2004-08-17 23:14:25 UTC
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Post by Robb Scott
Post by Mondoslug1
Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band called the
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those other guys
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.
Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned the name - which is why
those guys had to shorten their name.
Odin
2004-08-17 23:25:42 UTC
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"Andyfusofusussuss" <***@aol.comwaht> wrote in
message
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
Post by Mondoslug1
Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band
called the
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those
other guys
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.
Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned the
name - which is why
Post by Mondoslug1
those guys had to shorten their name.
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and didn't
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced their
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we settled
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
Robb Scott
2004-08-17 23:55:06 UTC
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Post by Odin
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and didn't
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced their
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we settled
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
Probably Democrats...
Odin
2004-08-18 00:28:10 UTC
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Post by Robb Scott
Post by Odin
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and didn't
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced their
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we settled
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
Probably Democrats...
Half the band are flaming liberals, I doubt the Dems would care much.
howldog
2004-08-18 15:19:39 UTC
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Post by Odin
message
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
Post by Mondoslug1
Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band
called the
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those
other guys
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Robb Scott
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.
Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned the
name - which is why
Post by Mondoslug1
those guys had to shorten their name.
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and didn't
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced their
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we settled
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
so whats the new band name?

Polfus Poodle Humpers?


anybody else?
Odin
2004-08-18 16:03:06 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Mondoslug1
You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned
the
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Post by Odin
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name - which is why
those guys had to shorten their name.
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and
didn't
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced
their
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we
settled
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
howldog
2004-08-18 16:21:34 UTC
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You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned
the
Post by howldog
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name - which is why
those guys had to shorten their name.
I was in a band called The Southern Comfort Band and
didn't
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
own the name. Then the boys from Jack Daniels sic'ced
their
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
legal beagles on us and we had to change the name or face
off in court, which we couldn't afford to do. So we
settled
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
on a name change. Even though there are still dozens of
bands called Southern Comfort out there, for some reason
they had it in for us.
so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
Robert Barker
2004-08-18 18:08:44 UTC
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Post by howldog
Post by Odin
Post by howldog
so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
GOOD point. You can't be sued by a non-entity.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-18 18:15:27 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
<snip>
Post by howldog
Post by Odin
Post by howldog
so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
GOOD point. You can't be sued by a non-entity.
We better check with Sefstrat on this....just to be safe.
Robert Barker
2004-08-19 14:57:24 UTC
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so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
GOOD point. You can't be sued by a non-entity.
We better check with Sefstrat on this....just to be safe.
Ok. You got $150.00 bucks? Heh.
Tom Yost
2004-08-18 19:12:37 UTC
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so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
GOOD point. You can't be sued by a non-entity.
But you might likely be sued by the Poodle union. They don't wan't to
be associated with Polfus' name


Tom
Ron Thompson
2004-08-18 19:20:00 UTC
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Post by Robert Barker
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Post by Odin
Post by howldog
so whats the new band name?
Polfus Poodle Humpers?
We were afraid of being sued by "Polfus".
He doesnt exist. Go ahead, ask him.
GOOD point. You can't be sued by a non-entity.
But you might likely be sued by the Poodle union. They don't wan't to
be associated with Polfus' name
The humpers out there probably wouldn't be too happy either.
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rct

The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Steve
2004-08-19 15:46:59 UTC
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Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer

SEFSTRAT
solo webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 15:50:22 UTC
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Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
Post by Steve
SEFSTRAT
solo webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
Odin
2004-08-19 16:19:19 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 16:26:08 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Hey this ain't my first rodeo.
PRS GEEK
2004-08-19 16:28:46 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Hey this ain't my first rodeo.
I agree tho... It's about the tits... AND the beer.

How many of these guys that you've played with allowed drinking before or
during concert style gig? Just curious.

I mean, *I* could hold out for an hour and a half...

Jeff
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 16:43:09 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Odin
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Hey this ain't my first rodeo.
I agree tho... It's about the tits... AND the beer.
How many of these guys that you've played with allowed drinking before or
during concert style gig? Just curious.
hahahahah. That's funny you mention that. Well for one I don't play well while
consuming - not to say that when playing a club I don't consume - you HAVE to
but for a concert thingie I don't.

Alan Tilton came up with this weird rewl that came out of nowhere - no drinking
7 hours before the show. We'd sit around & go "what time is it?'

One West Coast trip when band moral was particularly low we were drinking many
beers on the band bus....we would get done with the beer & throw them in a pile
instead of the trash(it was stupid but hey). They piled up big - we got to the
hotel with a day off - little sound puke tech ratted on us & told the
boss.........they pulled all the beer off the bus. Like 10 cases in the bays.
"New band rule, no drinking on the band bus!"

About a week later we played a High School Auditorium on a Sunday(woo-hoo).
Standing around drinking beer in the parking lot since we couldn't on the bus
after the show.........powers that be saw us -"New Rule, band is allowed to
drink on the bus again" It was funny.
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I mean, *I* could hold out for an hour and a half...
Jeff
Odin
2004-08-19 17:25:36 UTC
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One West Coast trip when band moral was particularly low
we were drinking many
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beers on the band bus....we would get done with the beer &
throw them in a pile
Post by Mondoslug1
instead of the trash(it was stupid but hey). They piled up
big - we got to the
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hotel with a day off - little sound puke tech ratted on us
& told the
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boss.........they pulled all the beer off the bus. Like 10
cases in the bays.
Post by Mondoslug1
"New band rule, no drinking on the band bus!"
About a week later we played a High School Auditorium on a
Sunday(woo-hoo).
Post by Mondoslug1
Standing around drinking beer in the parking lot since we
couldn't on the bus
Post by Mondoslug1
after the show.........powers that be saw us -"New Rule,
band is allowed to
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drink on the bus again" It was funny.
Too damn many rules if you ask me. Although we do have a
bass player who drinks too much (all the time) and may have
to find a replacement for him. He's good when he's sober
and decent when he's drunk, which means he's decent all the
time.
PRS GEEK
2004-08-19 22:41:26 UTC
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Post by PRS GEEK
How many of these guys that you've played with allowed drinking before or
during concert style gig? Just curious.
hahahahah. That's funny you mention that. Well for one I don't play well while
consuming - not to say that when playing a club I don't consume - you HAVE to
but for a concert thingie I don't.
Well, ya don't HAVE to but it sure helps a LONG ass nite!
Post by Mondoslug1
Alan Tilton came up with this weird rewl that came out of nowhere - no drinking
7 hours before the show. We'd sit around & go "what time is it?'
That cracked me up...
Post by Mondoslug1
One West Coast trip when band moral was particularly low we were drinking many
beers on the band bus....we would get done with the beer & throw them in a pile
instead of the trash(it was stupid but hey).
Just a buncha kids drinkin' and havin' some fun is alls you was sayin'
iNdEEd.
Post by Mondoslug1
They piled up big - we got to the
hotel with a day off - little sound puke tech ratted on us & told the
boss.........they pulled all the beer off the bus. Like 10 cases in the bays.
"New band rule, no drinking on the band bus!"
Little kiss ass bastard! Well, I oughta!
Post by Mondoslug1
About a week later we played a High School Auditorium on a
Sunday(woo-hoo).
Post by Mondoslug1
Standing around drinking beer in the parking lot since we couldn't on the bus
after the show.........powers that be saw us -"New Rule, band is allowed to
drink on the bus again" It was funny.
Yes... That certainly IS funny.

Good story.

Jeff
Mondoslug1
2004-08-19 23:03:17 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
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How many of these guys that you've played with allowed drinking before or
during concert style gig? Just curious.
hahahahah. That's funny you mention that. Well for one I don't play well
while
Post by Mondoslug1
consuming - not to say that when playing a club I don't consume - you HAVE
to
Post by Mondoslug1
but for a concert thingie I don't.
Well, ya don't HAVE to but it sure helps a LONG ass nite!
Post by Mondoslug1
Alan Tilton came up with this weird rewl that came out of nowhere - no
drinking
Post by Mondoslug1
7 hours before the show. We'd sit around & go "what time is it?'
That cracked me up...
Post by Mondoslug1
One West Coast trip when band moral was particularly low we were drinking
many
Post by Mondoslug1
beers on the band bus....we would get done with the beer & throw them in a
pile
Post by Mondoslug1
instead of the trash(it was stupid but hey).
Just a buncha kids drinkin' and havin' some fun is alls you was sayin'
iNdEEd.
Post by Mondoslug1
They piled up big - we got to the
hotel with a day off - little sound puke tech ratted on us & told the
boss.........they pulled all the beer off the bus. Like 10 cases in the
bays.
Post by Mondoslug1
"New band rule, no drinking on the band bus!"
Little kiss ass bastard! Well, I oughta!
Post by Mondoslug1
About a week later we played a High School Auditorium on a
Sunday(woo-hoo).
Post by Mondoslug1
Standing around drinking beer in the parking lot since we couldn't on the
bus
Post by Mondoslug1
after the show.........powers that be saw us -"New Rule, band is allowed
to
Post by Mondoslug1
drink on the bus again" It was funny.
Yes... That certainly IS funny.
Good story.
Jeff
hahah. Thanks. It's been awhile. I don't think I embellished it much. Gawd were
we all pissed. they took our nookie away.

Tom T. Hall, fossilized great songwriter/artist had a rule you couldn't eat
before the show but you could drink. No chit.
Odin
2004-08-19 23:26:20 UTC
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Tom T. Hall, fossilized great songwriter/artist had a rule
you couldn't eat
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before the show but you could drink. No chit.
I never eat before a gig. Don't want to have to use the bar
facilities. You know, Tom T Hall wrote and performed the
theme song for the Orlando Wilson Fishin' Show.
Mondoslug1
2004-08-20 00:02:27 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
Tom T. Hall, fossilized great songwriter/artist had a rule
you couldn't eat
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before the show but you could drink. No chit.
I never eat before a gig. Don't want to have to use the bar
facilities. You know, Tom T Hall wrote and performed the
theme song for the Orlando Wilson Fishin' Show.
Ya mon - do you know Dean Hall his son?
I know Dean real well. In the words of the immortal Robbfus Scott, "I know
you're impressed". Really Deans cool, you'd dig it. Balls to the walls blues.
Really great guitarist who took a left turn from C&W awhile ago. Cool live
show, standing on tables, slide with beer bottles, all the good stuff.

http://deanhall.com
howldog
2004-08-19 16:38:56 UTC
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Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Hey this ain't my first rodeo.
ok, so now its about the Rodeo.
miker
2004-08-19 17:36:43 UTC
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Post by Mondoslug1
It's About The Tits.
It really is, you know.
Then how about "Tat"?
Les Cargill
2004-08-19 22:38:01 UTC
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Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
It's About The Tits.
That's more a motto than a name.
Post by Mondoslug1
Post by Steve
SEFSTRAT
solo webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com
--
Les Cargill
Odin
2004-08-19 16:19:03 UTC
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Post by Steve
Led Excedrin
Elvis Slept Here
We'll Play Anything
The Music Whores
It's About The Beer
The Music Whores, We'll Play Anything...It's About The Beer.
I just rewrote our bio.
howldog
2004-08-18 15:17:31 UTC
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Is Dan Baird still a Georgia Satellite?
Just an FYI: a good pal of mine was in the Boston band called the
Satellites (and owned the name) that was the reason those other guys
had to add the "Georgia" to their name.
Admit it, I'm cool as hell....
You are. I was in a band called The GaY Cars & owned the name - which is why
those guys had to shorten their name.
call the funeral parlor for me, somebody.
Zorrro_2k
2004-08-16 16:40:06 UTC
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We occasionally do an "opening" gig for a national act. You never know
how these will turn out and there are so many variables that can go wrong
like the stage setup and sharing of gear, the sound company and the
attitudes of the headliner. Luckily, everything went well this time.
The venue was a multi-level outdoor club on the water at Lake Texoma (TX/OK
border) with the partially covered stage literally over the water. We
showed up around 4pm and the sound company was still tweaking the backline
for the headliner so we stood around and bs'ed with the crew. The sound co
guys were cool, no attitudes. It turns out that one of our ex sound techs
had worked for this company and they shared our dislike for the guy. I'm
just glad he wasn't still working for them. They had huge monitors all over
the stage, including 2 big wedges for each guy up front and for the drummer.
For mains they had 8 dual 18's for subs and 8 dual 15's and horns for tops.
A total of sixteen 18" subs, sixteen 15" full range and 8 compression driver
horns. The venue was pretty large and outdoors so I guess they felt they
needed plenty of sound reinforcement. There was a monitor engineer with a
monitor board set up on stage left. FOH was about 50' out in front and they
had a light tech as well for the dozens of PAR64 cans that would cook us
later.
The Georgia Satellites flew in with only guitars, so the sound co had a
rented backline for them. Marshall JCM900 stacks (yuck),
... If a Dual MV: YUCK; if a Dual Reverb: Double YUCK
Post by Odin
This is the good part. They sent us over to the restraunt and fed us
for free (steaks and seafood). After we ate they took us to our dressing
room, which turned out to be a suite overlooking the lake complete with
bedroom, living room, bathroom and kitchen. The fridge was stocked with
beer and booze and there were snacks and stuff. We wished we had gone up
there earlier but it's probably best that we didn't because who knows what
shape we'd be in by show time. When it was time to go on they sent a golf
cart for us to take us to the stage. I think I want this at all shows now,
there's something about being driven around on a golf cart that I like.
Now you're spoild. You'll be asking for that service down at Stumpy's.
Post by Odin
The crowd was a little smaller than I expected when the show started,
but they kept coming in and by the middle of the show it was pretty full.
We went on around 8:15 and our first set was decent but nothing to get
excited about. We took a short break and went back on around 9:45 to a much
fuller house. Our second set was good.
You got TWO sets as an opener..that's rare.
Post by Odin
When we ended the crowd was yelling for more but we had to get our gear
off the stage and let the Satellites take the stage. We tore down out gear
(with the help of the sound co stage crew) and cleared the stage in 7
minutes. For a 6 piece band this has got to be a record, at least for us it
is. As we were loading off gear the Satellites guitar player commented to
another band member "shit, we have to follow that" which was a definite
compliment IMO. We definitely didn't hold back anything in the second set.
Given the pre-gig imbibing, are you sure he didn't say " we have to
follow THAT SHIT" ....;-) just kidding.
Post by Odin
As soon as the Georgia Satellites took the stage the crowd was on their
feet, the light show was better and the FOH cranked up the sound. It's a
shame, but the opening act never gets more than half of the "show" because
it's always held in reserve for the headliner. I understand why, I just
wish we could have gotten the whole "show" too, but that's not for opening
bands. The bass player for the Sats played a clear Dan Armstrong bass. The
guitar player had a purple PRS Custom and some sort of odd looking guitar as
a backup, plus a clear Dan Armstrong guitar tuned open. The Sats played a
few originals but even more covers (Stones, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran,
George Jones, etc...). To be completely honest, they didn't play as well as
they could have, probably due to the alcohol. They had energy on stage that
carried the show, and the bass player knew how to talk to the crowd, but the
playing wasn't up to par with a headliner. I don't know if it was just an
off show for them or not, but I was a little disappointed in their set.
Sounds just like the GS show I saw...a few hits and many covers. I was
disappointed as well. In fact, I left early to beat the crowd out of
the parking lot. Did you get to crank the MAZ-38 ?
Odin
2004-08-16 17:14:58 UTC
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Post by Odin
The Georgia Satellites flew in with only guitars, so
the sound co had a
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
rented backline for them. Marshall JCM900 stacks
(yuck),
Post by Zorrro_2k
... If a Dual MV: YUCK; if a Dual Reverb: Double YUCK
I didn't look that closely. But it was yuck. Too much
distortion.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
This is the good part. They sent us over to the
restraunt and fed us
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
for free (steaks and seafood). After we ate they took
us to our dressing
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
room, which turned out to be a suite overlooking the
lake complete with
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
bedroom, living room, bathroom and kitchen. The fridge
was stocked with
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
beer and booze and there were snacks and stuff. We
wished we had gone up
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
there earlier but it's probably best that we didn't
because who knows what
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Post by Odin
shape we'd be in by show time. When it was time to go
on they sent a golf
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
cart for us to take us to the stage. I think I want
this at all shows now,
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
there's something about being driven around on a golf
cart that I like.
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Now you're spoild. You'll be asking for that service down
at Stumpy's.

And no brown M&M's in the dressing room.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
The crowd was a little smaller than I expected when
the show started,
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
but they kept coming in and by the middle of the show it
was pretty full.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
We went on around 8:15 and our first set was decent but
nothing to get
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
excited about. We took a short break and went back on
around 9:45 to a much
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
fuller house. Our second set was good.
You got TWO sets as an opener..that's rare.
I thought so also.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
When we ended the crowd was yelling for more but we
had to get our gear
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
off the stage and let the Satellites take the stage. We
tore down out gear
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
(with the help of the sound co stage crew) and cleared
the stage in 7
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
minutes. For a 6 piece band this has got to be a
record, at least for us it
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
is. As we were loading off gear the Satellites guitar
player commented to
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
another band member "shit, we have to follow that" which
was a definite
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
compliment IMO. We definitely didn't hold back anything
in the second set.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Given the pre-gig imbibing, are you sure he didn't say "
we have to
Post by Zorrro_2k
follow THAT SHIT" ....;-) just kidding.
Now that you mention it...actually, the guys from GS were
really gracious, thanking us and mentioning us on mic 3
times during their set.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
As soon as the Georgia Satellites took the stage the
crowd was on their
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
feet, the light show was better and the FOH cranked up
the sound. It's a
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
shame, but the opening act never gets more than half of
the "show" because
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
it's always held in reserve for the headliner. I
understand why, I just
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
wish we could have gotten the whole "show" too, but
that's not for opening
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
bands. The bass player for the Sats played a clear Dan
Armstrong bass. The
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
guitar player had a purple PRS Custom and some sort of
odd looking guitar as
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
a backup, plus a clear Dan Armstrong guitar tuned open.
The Sats played a
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
few originals but even more covers (Stones, Chuck Berry,
Eddie Cochran,
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
George Jones, etc...). To be completely honest, they
didn't play as well as
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
they could have, probably due to the alcohol. They had
energy on stage that
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
carried the show, and the bass player knew how to talk
to the crowd, but the
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
playing wasn't up to par with a headliner. I don't know
if it was just an
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
off show for them or not, but I was a little
disappointed in their set.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Sounds just like the GS show I saw...a few hits and many
covers. I was
Post by Zorrro_2k
disappointed as well. In fact, I left early to beat the
crowd out of
Post by Zorrro_2k
the parking lot. Did you get to crank the MAZ-38 ?
I didn't crank it WFO, but I did turn up more than usual. I
like to keep some clean headroom in there for some tunes.
The FOH was great.
zorro_2k
2004-08-16 22:23:06 UTC
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Did you get to crank the MAZ-38 ?
Post by Odin
I didn't crank it WFO, but I did turn up more than usual. I
like to keep some clean headroom in there for some tunes.
The FOH was great.
every time I see Buddy W. playing his Maz, he's either been going through a
4-12 or that 2-12 Z cabinet , both closed back . He's got great tone, but is
that saying that the MAZ 38 tends to be bright ? And, he must be using an
attenuator behind the rigs, cause I don't think that amp would overdrive
like it does and still be comfortable to stand in front of. Of course Buddy
is pretty huge and so he's dispersing a lot of that sound himself.. ;-0
Odin
2004-08-16 22:42:09 UTC
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Did you get to crank the MAZ-38 ?
Post by Odin
I didn't crank it WFO, but I did turn up more than
usual. I
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
like to keep some clean headroom in there for some
tunes.
Post by Zorrro_2k
Post by Odin
The FOH was great.
every time I see Buddy W. playing his Maz, he's either
been going through a
Post by Zorrro_2k
4-12 or that 2-12 Z cabinet , both closed back . He's got
great tone, but is
Post by Zorrro_2k
that saying that the MAZ 38 tends to be bright ? And, he
must be using an
Post by Zorrro_2k
attenuator behind the rigs, cause I don't think that amp
would overdrive
Post by Zorrro_2k
like it does and still be comfortable to stand in front
of. Of course Buddy
Post by Zorrro_2k
is pretty huge and so he's dispersing a lot of that sound
himself.. ;-0

Mine can be bright if I crank up the "Cut" control, but it
can also be very dark with the "Cut" control low. I prefer
it darker so I run the Cut between off and 25%. If Buddy
has an old Maz then he might have Celestion speakers instead
of the Dr Z speakers. The Celestions will be harsher. Or
he might just like the tight sound of a cab, that 2x12
Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and has
a ton of low end. As far as overdrive, you'd be surprised
at how good the Maz can sound at low volumes with the master
low and the volume high. You really need to check one out
in person. It's hard to turn the knobs to a bad sound.
d***@sbcglobal.net
2004-08-16 23:32:52 UTC
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Post by Odin
he might just like the tight sound of a cab, that 2x12
Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and has
a ton of low end.
Agreed. I visited a Z dealer who had several of the 2x12's and a nice
assortment of Z heads, parked next to a few 60's Marshall 4x12's with
original speakers. When A/B'd like that, the Z naturally has less oomph
than a good 4x12, but if you don't directly compare them like that, the Z
does a very creditable job of moving serious air. If I weren't a combo guy
I'd have a pair of Z's for sure.
zorro_2k
2004-08-17 09:39:44 UTC
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Post by d***@sbcglobal.net
Post by Odin
he might just like the tight sound of a cab, that 2x12
Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and has
a ton of low end.
Agreed. I visited a Z dealer who had several of the 2x12's and a nice
assortment of Z heads, parked next to a few 60's Marshall 4x12's with
original speakers. When A/B'd like that, the Z naturally has less oomph
than a good 4x12, but if you don't directly compare them like that, the Z
does a very creditable job of moving serious air. If I weren't a combo guy
I'd have a pair of Z's for sure.
You would have TWO of the Z-Best 2-12 cabinets !! Isn't that about $1200
total for a psuedo-4-12 set-up ? Personally, I'd look for a used Boogie 2-12
Recto stack like Polfus had and re-load it, or an Avatar G212H closed back
cab, or a VHT 2-12, or a....... ?
zorro_2k
2004-08-17 09:32:59 UTC
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Did you get to crank the MAZ-38 ?
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I didn't crank it WFO, but I did turn up more than
usual. I
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like to keep some clean headroom in there for some
tunes.
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The FOH was great.
every time I see Buddy W. playing his Maz, he's either
been going through a
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4-12 or that 2-12 Z cabinet , both closed back . He's got
great tone, but is
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that saying that the MAZ 38 tends to be bright ? And, he
must be using an
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attenuator behind the rigs, cause I don't think that amp
would overdrive
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like it does and still be comfortable to stand in front
of. Of course Buddy
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is pretty huge and so he's dispersing a lot of that sound
himself.. ;-0
Mine can be bright if I crank up the "Cut" control, but it
can also be very dark with the "Cut" control low. I prefer
it darker so I run the Cut between off and 25%. If Buddy
has an old Maz then he might have Celestion speakers instead
of the Dr Z speakers. The Celestions will be harsher. Or
he might just like the tight sound of a cab, that 2x12
Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and has
a ton of low end. As far as overdrive, you'd be surprised
at how good the Maz can sound at low volumes with the master
low and the volume high. You really need to check one out
in person. It's hard to turn the knobs to a bad sound.
I've prety much decided I'm getting one, probably the MAZ-18 head.
For now, I'll probably stick with the Reverend 1250 in my Boogie cabinet
and see how that sounds with it, or replace the 1250 with a Celestion
G12H-30.
I really don't want to lug around a larger cabinet.
John S. Shinal
2004-08-17 12:37:25 UTC
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Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and has
a ton of low end.
I'm essentially convinced that the "common wisdom" about
guitar cabs not needing to be tuned and ported is bunk. The ZBest,
Bogner Cube, and several others are fantastic - I just think guitar
players are prone to Voodoo hype and in general we don't do the math.
I've been using an SWR 1x10 under my regular cabinet and it sounds
great. If I was a 7-string player detuned player, I'd be in heaven.
Odin
2004-08-17 14:05:11 UTC
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"John S. Shinal" <***@mindspring.com>
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Z-Best cab is awesome (but expensive). It's ported and
has
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a ton of low end.
I'm essentially convinced that the "common wisdom" about
guitar cabs not needing to be tuned and ported is bunk.
The ZBest,
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Bogner Cube, and several others are fantastic - I just
think guitar
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players are prone to Voodoo hype and in general we don't
do the math.
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I've been using an SWR 1x10 under my regular cabinet and
it sounds
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great. If I was a 7-string player detuned player, I'd be
in heaven.

I guess it depends on what you want to hear, but a smallish
sealed enclosure like a Marshall 4x12 won't play the low end
like a good ported cab, that's just physics. There's
nothing wrong with a Marshall 4x12 if that's the sound you
like, but the better ported cabs offer a whole different
sound.
howldog
2004-08-16 16:53:43 UTC
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We occasionally do an "opening" gig for a national act. You never know
how these will turn out and there are so many variables that can go wrong
like the stage setup and sharing of gear, the sound company and the
attitudes of the headliner. Luckily, everything went well this time.
The venue was a multi-level outdoor club on the water at Lake Texoma (TX/OK
border) with the partially covered stage literally over the water. We
showed up around 4pm and the sound company was still tweaking the backline
for the headliner so we stood around and bs'ed with the crew. The sound co
guys were cool, no attitudes. It turns out that one of our ex sound techs
had worked for this company and they shared our dislike for the guy. I'm
just glad he wasn't still working for them. They had huge monitors all over
the stage, including 2 big wedges for each guy up front and for the drummer.
For mains they had 8 dual 18's for subs and 8 dual 15's and horns for tops.
A total of sixteen 18" subs, sixteen 15" full range and 8 compression driver
horns. The venue was pretty large and outdoors so I guess they felt they
needed plenty of sound reinforcement. There was a monitor engineer with a
monitor board set up on stage left. FOH was about 50' out in front and they
had a light tech as well for the dozens of PAR64 cans that would cook us
later.
The Georgia Satellites flew in with only guitars, so the sound co had a
rented backline for them. Marshall JCM900 stacks (yuck), a nice flamed
maple DW drum kit, an Ampeg "refrigerator" 8x10 cab with head for the bass
and a basic piano keyboard. After the backline was set and the Sats did a
little soundcheck (they seemed like they had been drinking for a while
already) we set up our gear in front of their gear. Luckily the sound co
had extended the venue stage with an additional 8'x24' stage addition in the
front. We set up and soundchecked by around 6-6:30 and the show didn't
start until 8:15, so we had some time to kill.
Yo Howldog, I talked to Ricky and told him you said hi. He knew right
away who you were and said he knew you and "the chick singer". He seemed
like a pretty laid back guy. They had definitely been drinking before the
show.
This is the good part. They sent us over to the restraunt and fed us
for free (steaks and seafood). After we ate they took us to our dressing
room, which turned out to be a suite overlooking the lake complete with
bedroom, living room, bathroom and kitchen. The fridge was stocked with
beer and booze and there were snacks and stuff. We wished we had gone up
there earlier but it's probably best that we didn't because who knows what
shape we'd be in by show time. When it was time to go on they sent a golf
cart for us to take us to the stage. I think I want this at all shows now,
there's something about being driven around on a golf cart that I like.
The crowd was a little smaller than I expected when the show started,
but they kept coming in and by the middle of the show it was pretty full.
We went on around 8:15 and our first set was decent but nothing to get
excited about. We took a short break and went back on around 9:45 to a much
fuller house. Our second set was good. Of course I had put the better
material in the second set, but we were just playing better than we had in
the first set as well. A lot of times when you open for a national act the
headliner won't even come out of their rooms until the opening act is
finished, but about halfway through our second set the Satellites were
hanging out over in the "backstage" area, tuning up and getting ready. We
had the crowd going and the last 3 songs were back to back winners with the
place on their feet.
When we ended the crowd was yelling for more but we had to get our gear
off the stage and let the Satellites take the stage. We tore down out gear
(with the help of the sound co stage crew) and cleared the stage in 7
minutes. For a 6 piece band this has got to be a record, at least for us it
is. As we were loading off gear the Satellites guitar player commented to
another band member "shit, we have to follow that" which was a definite
compliment IMO. We definitely didn't hold back anything in the second set.
As soon as the Georgia Satellites took the stage the crowd was on their
feet, the light show was better and the FOH cranked up the sound. It's a
shame, but the opening act never gets more than half of the "show" because
it's always held in reserve for the headliner. I understand why, I just
wish we could have gotten the whole "show" too, but that's not for opening
bands. The bass player for the Sats played a clear Dan Armstrong bass. The
guitar player had a purple PRS Custom and some sort of odd looking guitar as
a backup, plus a clear Dan Armstrong guitar tuned open. The Sats played a
few originals but even more covers (Stones, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran,
George Jones, etc...). To be completely honest, they didn't play as well as
they could have, probably due to the alcohol. They had energy on stage that
carried the show, and the bass player knew how to talk to the crowd, but the
playing wasn't up to par with a headliner. I don't know if it was just an
off show for them or not, but I was a little disappointed in their set.
sounds like fun. those guys are constantly on the road.

the"chick singer". heh.

tonight i hope to meet Gmane at the ZZ Top show here.
Odin
2004-08-16 17:15:44 UTC
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sounds like fun. those guys are constantly on the road.
the"chick singer". heh.
tonight i hope to meet Gmane at the ZZ Top show here.
Tell him to snag some of Billy's mojo for me, will ya?
Kings_Avenger
2004-08-16 17:16:07 UTC
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Glad it went well for ya.

Avenger.
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