Photos of 2005 Kris Holm unicycles now at krisholm.com

[danger_uni]

Hi All,

Photos of the 2005 KH product line are now posted at
http://www.krisholm.com/products/

Prices and product should be available within a week from Unicycle.com
and Bedford Unicycles.

These unicycles are beautiful!

Kris Holm


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[mandarin]

Are the Pulse wrist support gloves available? I remember earlier
discussion here on the forums when they were still prototypes. Did I
miss something, or are they part of the 2005 product lineup and totally
new? They look great!


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[brockfisher05]

I have one question I was looking at the onza hub and the splines are
very thin and shallow. so i was wondering is it more likely to slip then
your 2004 style (my favourite) also why else did you go to onza?? I am
not trying to bash onza or anythging just curiouse:confused:


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[UniMachine]

Oooo! I want one! Unicycles have come a long way in the last few years!


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[TheObieOne3226]

They sure are pretty...


Couple questions:

1. What makes the than the
'new KH/onza cranks' (Loading Image...)
stronger than the 'old onza cranks?'
(Loading Image...) . They look
exactly the same...

2. Why does the trails uni not have a bike style post?

3. What quality is the post used? It looks to have a bonded head and
very short rails.

4. How strong are the rims? I expected a better profile, more like the
arrow. These are very similar to alex's, with a slightly deeper inner
wall.

5. Has anything been done about the quality control? I see a few things
in those pics that are a little off...and those are the displays!

6. Why all the secrecy about the price. Anyone can get a ballpark figure
by just looking
'here' (http://tinyurl.com/6l8lm)


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[juergen_brauckmann]

I like the wide 700C rim... . No need anymore to squeeze a Big Apple
into a 19mm rim... .

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[john_childs]

*No need to complain- the inner width is shown in the inset picture-
35mm for the freeride rim and 30.8mm for the cross country rim. *

Ah!, I completely missed that info on the web page. Either that, or I
read it and promptly forgot.

That 700c rim is cool. I think it may be the widest 700c rim
available.

I hope the rims will be available separately. I may be replacing the
old Avro Zum rim on my KH Pro muni. It's bent and warped enough that I
can't use a brake with it any more. I'd prefer to replace it with the
new KH Freeride rim.


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[jagur]

* I'd prefer to replace it with the new KH Freeride rim. *

without machiened sidewalls? at least you will scare all the deer
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[andrew_carter]

That sounds very fair to me.


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[markf]

sounds totally fair kris. these parts will stand up to crazy amounts of
abuse though, right? i'm sure they're stronger than the drops i can do
anyway. thnx for the response. anyone know the exact details on the
profile warranty? i looked around and couldn't find it anywhere.


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[john_childs]

*not to bump a slightly old thread, but anyone know what(if any) the
warranty is on the onza/KH2005 hub/crank set? its quite a bit cheaper
than the profiles and i'm trying to determine if the profile is worth
the extra $$. thanks *

The Profile hub is worth the extra money if you happen to have a frame
with machined bearing holders that was designed for 40 mm bearings. The
Onza/KH hub uses 42 mm bearings and will not fit in a frame with 40 mm
machined bearing holders. The Profile is "worth" the money in that case
because there is no other alternative. Well Qu-ax and some others may
be an alternative if they happen to use 40 mm bearings. I don't know
what size bearings Qu-ax uses.

My KH Pro frame uses 1-5/8" bearings. That's 41.275 mm. I don't know
if there is enough slop in there to fit a 42 mm bearing or not. I doubt
a 42 mm would fit. So in my case I'm stuck with Profile.

Profile also has some crank length options not available on the Onza/KH.
And the Onza/KH has a few crank length options that are not available
on Profile.


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[andrew_carter]

John,

I'd have thought that surely with all the different machines, etc
running bearings you could find a 1/2" bearing with the inside diameter
to fit the new KH axle and the outside diameter to fit your frame. Is
this not the case? Have you looked through any product lines other than
unicycles? I'm sure you've already looked into it...it just surprised
me, that's all.

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[john_childs]

*John,
I'd have thought that surely with all the different machines, etc
running bearings you could find a 1/2" bearing with the inside
diameter to fit the new KH axle and the outside diameter to fit your
frame. Is this not the case? Have you looked through any product
lines other than unicycles? I'm sure you've already looked into
it...it just surprised me, that's all.
Andrew *

It's surprising, but there are no stock bearings available that have the
correct ID for the Onza/KH hub and a 40 mm OD (or 1-5/8" OD). It's just
not a size that's available.

Most custom frames have been made to fit 40 mm OD bearings. Some (like
my older KH Pro) were made to fit 1-5/8" OD bearings. The changeover to
hubs that use a 42 mm OD bearing leaves those of us with legacy frames
in a bit of a predicament. Oh well... We've still got Profile which is
still a good hub.


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[jagur]

Torker DX uni's come with 40mm OD and 20mm ID bearing stock....ive
posted this before.... that size is out there its just really hard to
find separatly for some reason.

here is my thread about this rare size.http://tinyurl.com/4em8e


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[john_childs]

*Torker DX uni's come with 40mm OD and 20mm ID bearing stock....ive
posted this before.... that size is out there its just really hard to
find separatly for some reason.
here is my thread about this rare size.http://tinyurl.com/4em8e *

I had forgotten about that. And I'm still surprised at the bearing size
that Torker uses. How are people going to find replacement bearings for
their Torker unicycles? Is Torker stocking those bearings and selling
them as replacements?

If those Torker bearings are available that would be a very good thing.
It would mean that people with older frames will be able to use the
Onza/KH hub.


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[danger_uni]

*sounds totally fair kris. these parts will stand up to crazy amounts
of abuse though, right? i'm sure they're stronger than the drops i can
do anyway. thnx for the response. anyone know the exact details on the
profile warranty? i looked around and couldn't find it anywhere. *

Nothing is indestructable but after 6 months of testing the hub is
as-new. The cranks have been around for a lot longer than that and for
almost everyone have been more than strong enough. I know a few really
hard-on-your-equipment riders that have bent the cranks before, but
that's the exception and the same thing happens with every other
crankset.

Kris


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[john_childs]

*without machiened sidewalls? at least you will scare all the deer
away.... *

If it scares away the slugs I'll be happy. :)

We'll have to see how the rims do with a brake. Kris was using what I
believe was this rim at the California Muni Weekend and I didn't notice
brake squeak.


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[gerblefranklin]

*Are the Pulse wrist support gloves available? I remember earlier
discussion here on the forums when they were still prototypes. Did I
miss something, or are they part of the 2005 product lineup and
totally new? They look great! *

I, too, am curious about this. I have been holding out on buying new
riding gloves, waiting for these to come out. Will they come out anytime
soon? I can't wait to get a pair.


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[drewation]

*Hi All,
Photos of the 2005 KH product line are now posted at
http://www.krisholm.com/products/
Prices and product should be available within a week from Unicycle.com
and Bedford Unicycles.
These unicycles are beautiful!
Kris Holm *

i like the hub and cranks they look cool also i kinda like the new look
but perhaps do the frames come in different colours? :confused:


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[BoojiBoy]

Does this mean we can't have any more Onza vs. KH threads?


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[bugman]

I used a silver paint marker to autogragh the seatpost of my Summit last
year. So many people had Orange Summits it was tough to tell them
apart. So I like the way he took my idea and autograghed the
seatpost.:D


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[muniracer]

wow, these unis look spectacular. i did not realize that you (kris)
were making a new rim as well. i cannot wait to see it in person!

as it was said before in a couple threads, it is only coming in blue. i
think the blue looks awesome, even better than the orange. its a pity
that the seatposts arent blue as well, though.

i too noticed that the hub/cranks resemble the onza much more than the
kh, although im sure that kris had much more influence in the design :)

[rogeratunicycledotcom]

Ok lots to reply on this, so a bit of a compilation.

Cranks on new KH/Onza hub. These are the same the Onza. So if you have
an old Onza hub, it will fit these cranks. Although there is a new
locking system fitted to stop creaking and wear which was the main
problem with the cranks.

The pitch on the bearings is 100mm so it will fit the Onza or the KH
unicycles.

Price, it is competitively priced... check out a set of BMX cranks and
add in the price of a bottom bracket/hub.

Rim, it has been under test for about 9 months and has proved it to be
as good as any other if not better.

Titanium ISIS, Joe who was getting this made got let down by his
manufacturer. He has the design ready to go, but can not find any one
to make it for sensible money at the moment.

The bearing fitted are 42mm bearings. If you have a pressed steel frame
it is likely that you can get them to fit without a problem. If you
frame has machined bearing housing that were made for 40mm bearings,
then you can not use.

I think that is all.....

Roger


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[gerblefranklin]

*I also forget little...'BEVAN!' (http://tinyurl.com/3pzck)
Is this the hub that "The hub will be 36 splined and is supposed to be
as strong, if not stronger than profiles...(snip)...The weight should
be comparable to a Suzue."
Hehehe.... *

I said what I had heard, and I still don't see any evidence to
contradict it. I never said anything about the titanium isis spline.


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[andrew_carter]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned somewhere, but do the new
frames and hubs use the more standard 40mm diameter (or 41mm, I've
forgotten which is standard) of the Profile and also cheaper hubs?

Thanks,
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[jagur]

* Kris was using what I believe was this rim at the California Muni
Weekend and I didn't notice brake squeak. *

wasnt wet there was it? :rolleyes: still i'll take a taiwan rim with
machined walls over a taiwan rim without any day. plus those rims wont
be for sale alone for a very long time anyway.


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[Ed Hansen]

Uni.com substituted the 300mm rails bracket post, replaced with 350mm
bolt-on style post. Should I request the rails instead? Whatcha
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[jagur]

*Here's a price: $520 US
'unicycle.com' (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=800) *

thats over $100 less than uni.uk's price? somthing tells me that aint
gonna stick.


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[rogeratunicycledotcom]

The UK has sales tax already added and we have a higher import tax. So
actually not that much different.


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[Santa Claus]

HO HO HO HO, THAT'S ONE LOVELY MACHINE. I'LL TRY TO GET EVERYONE WHO
WANTS ONE DELIVERED ON CHRISTMAS!

DARN THINGS ARE SUCH A DISTRACTION TO THE ELVES, I AM AFRAID THAT I
WON'T BE READY FOR CHRISTMAS EVE. THEY KEEP ON WANTING TO GAP THE
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HOHOHOHOHOH MERRRRRY CHRISTMAS:D


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[Mike_Foote]

hey santa clause i want one.


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[danger_uni]

Post by danger_uni
It looks like they uploaded an older version of the spec sheets

...So that indicates it was a late-minute decision to change that
to 165 mm. Woohoo (the weeping kind of woohoo, not the cheering one).
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I tested both 165 and 170's.

I knew that shorter cranks would be better for cross-country but because
I'm oriented towards technical riding I initially thought that 165's
might feel too short for steep climbs and descents.

As it turned out, the 165's were just fine for this and also had a few
advantages:
-easier to absorb shocks when not in the horizontal crank position
-easier to roll out of big drops and steep ramps because you can spin
faster.

If you are taking a look at both the KH24 Freeride and the KH24 XC and
aren't planning on doing *really* agressive riding, I'd say think
seriously about getting the XC. The rim on the XC is still really
strong (approximately similar to the DX32) and with the lighter tire and
rim it's noticably lighter feeling when pedalling than the Freeride, and
the 150mm cranks make better sense for less technical riding. That
said, if you like big drops and do a lot of riding in really rocky
terrain, the FR is still the way to go.

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[daino149]

One more question:
What's the reason for going with the Maxxis tire? Is it better then the
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[rogeratunicycledotcom]

The rims are hard anodised not powder coated. They should not squeek
with the right blocks on them, I think it is the black Magura blocks you
need....

The rims are available for sale at Unicycle.com. We also have the
Nimbus 29" rim which is I think actually wider (only slightly); but it
is only single skin. Although if you look for them on the site, they
are not there yet. We have not been able to get the up yet. Hope to
have them there for the end of the week.

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[smdO2]

the 29inch has noodles and the 20inch is noodle-less.

from what I can see on 'kh site' (http://www.krisholm.com/products/) and
'bedford pics' (http://community.webshots.com/album/226545941saRXkg)

And the old kh frames angle downwards to the front, these noodles look
like they will angle your foot upwards in front.

Just curious why?


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Sorry about the thread-jack...

*I also forget little...BEVAN! *

It seems like half of your posts are smart-ass comments designed to make
someone feel bad. This is why you're first on my ignore list.

Now when you start picking on my friends, you get first place on my shit
list. If I ever have the displeasure of meeting you in person, I'll
have a fat knuckle sandwich ready and waiting for you. Thank your
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*Sorry about the thread-jack...
It seems like half of your posts are smart-ass comments designed to
make someone feel bad. This is why you're first on my ignore list.
Now when you start picking on my friends, you get first place on my
shit list. If I ever have the displeasure of meeting you in person,
I'll have a fat knuckle sandwich ready and waiting for you. Thank
your lucky stars that you're on the East Coast and we're on the
West.
Picking on people through the Internet is cowardly. Why don't you
pick on people in person? Maybe then you'll get the wicked
ass-beating you deserve. *

Addressed 'here.' (http://tinyurl.com/4b3df)

This is a good thread, beneficial to everyone. Good questions are being
asked and answered. Ignore this post and the one above it and carry on
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[harper]

*Sorry about the thread-jack...
It seems like half of your posts are smart-ass comments designed to
make someone feel bad. This is why you're first on my ignore list.
Now when you start picking on my friends, you get first place on my
shit list. If I ever have the displeasure of meeting you in person,
I'll have a fat knuckle sandwich ready and waiting for you. Thank
your lucky stars that you're on the East Coast and we're on the
West.
Picking on people through the Internet is cowardly. Why don't you
pick on people in person? Maybe then you'll get the wicked
ass-beating you deserve. *

This is a point very well taken. The Obie posts lean heavily toward the
counterproductive and tasteless. However, physically threatening someone
publicly who is a fellow forum member probably ranks slightly below that
in tastelessness. What you two decide to do in your PM's is at least no
longer public. Please take the vindictive and posturing trash out of
both the RSU and JC fora.


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[jagur]

*1. What makes the 'new KH/onza cranks'
(http://img58.exs.cx/img58/1760/q3nhubcranks.jpg) stronger than the
'old onza cranks?'
(http://img58.exs.cx/img58/4390/r2pbothcranksview.jpg) . They look
exactly the same...*

look the same?

yeah pretty much, maybe a little wider but what im most curious about is
what happened too the "Titanium splined ISIS hub with disk brake
fittings coming soon" that Roger posted about back in 2003. did that
just die? i dont ever forget....'Rogers post about Ti hub in this
thread' (http://tinyurl.com/56fos)


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[Lutz]

Is the new Onza hub stronger than the old?


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[danger_uni]

*Is the new Onza hub stronger than the old? *

The ultimate strength is the same on the KH-Onza hub because the spline
pattern and diameter are the same. But it should be more durable
because the tapered axle ends and split washers are designed to prevent
the creaking that, over the long term, wears out your axle splines.

Also, internally splining the flanges is a much stronger way to attach a
hub to an axle, compared to the keyways on the old KH or Onza hubs.
This should eliminate any possible loosening of the axle in the hub.

The hub is also slightly lighter. Importantly, the flanges are also
much improved- this makes your rim stronger because the spokes can
support it better.

Kris


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[johnfoss]

*6. Why all the secrecy about the price. Anyone can get a ballpark
figure by just looking
'here' (http://tinyurl.com/6l8lm) *

That will show you the exact price for the UK. I would guess the
US/Canada prices have not yet been determined. Why give out a price that
will be wrong? Then you get tons of questions from people who read the
wrong price somewhere else. This can especially be a problem if the
"ballpark" figure is lower than the final price comes out to be.

Price or no price, I'm gonna get me one.


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[TheObieOne3226]

*Maestro8's point is very well taken. The Obie posts lean heavily
toward the counterproductive and tasteless. However, physically
threatening someone publicly who is a fellow forum member probably
ranks slightly below that in tastelessness. What you two decide to do
in your PM's is at least no longer public. Please take the vindictive
and posturing trash out of _[B]BOTH*_ the RSU and JC fora. [/B]

I guess we can't let this thread do what it was inteneded...


I feel that I have gotten a bad reputation that I do not deserve. You
people do not share my sense of humor which includes ribbing people and
dry wit. You find this offensive. Enough of you seem to dislike my posts
that I'm just gonna stop for a while. F*ck it all, f*ck you all.


Grow a sense of humor. Stop being such wimpering pussies and grow some
balls. Everything in life isn't PC.


See yas in a while...on to totse!


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[zod]

I got one word for ya Kris..... PIMP :D


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[mscalisi]

...must...not....buy...new ...unicycle....must.....resist.....

I CAN live without the new KH29

in addiction terms, this is called "enabling"


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[zod]

*....must...not....buy...new ...unicycle....must.....resist.....
*

No crap.......I just spend $600 on bike parts to build up an urban
assualt/dirt jump bike and now Kris throws out pics of the new
KH's..........

Nevermind that I already own a KH-24 that there is absolutly nothing
wrong with


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[Bob22b]

Ouch!

I'm happy with the KH20 I got a couple months ago, but seeing this is
torture.

Makes me feel like I should have waited a few months... nah!



They look really nice. :)


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[DK]

when are the 2005s coming out


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[rogeratunicycledotcom]

Tuesday gone. :-D


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[phlegm]

Here's a price: $520 US

'unicycle.com' (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=800)


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[danger_uni]

*Here's a price: $520 US
'unicycle.com' (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=800) *

It looks like they uploaded an older version of the spec sheets- some of
the info was incorrect on the detailed component description at this
link.

The correct versions are at:
http://www.krisholm.com/specs/

Kris


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[Klaas Bil]

Post by danger_uni
It looks like they uploaded an older version of the spec sheets

It also seems that the info is mixing the 20" and 24" versions. The
frame weight is correct for 20" and they make statements about
hardcore trials, but at the top it says 24", and also the rim and tyre
specs are for 24".

And I see that the obsolete spec for crank length includes my beloved
170 mm. So that indicates it was a late-minute decision to change that
to 165 mm. Woohoo (the weeping kind of woohoo, not the cheering one).

Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict

[Checkernuts]

*
Price or no price, I'm gonna get me one. *

I do like the way that no price figure sounds.... but I think I'm good
with my current set ups.

Overall Great Job Kris you've deffenatlly outdone yourself in bringing a
better product to market in a very short time frame, I cant wait to see
what the next gen stuff after this is going to look like.


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[TheObieOne3226]

*look the same?
yeah pretty much, maybe a little wider but what im most curious about
is what happened too the "Titanium splined ISIS hub with disk brake
fittings coming soon" that Roger posted about back in 2003. did that
just die? i dont ever forget....'Rogers post about Ti hub in this
thread' (http://tinyurl.com/56fos) *

I also forget little...


Is this the hub that "The hub will be 36 splined and is supposed to be
as strong, if not stronger than profiles...(snip)...The weight should be
comparable to a Suzue."


Hehehe....


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[john_childs]

*I like the wide 700C rim... . No need anymore to squeeze a Big Apple
into a 19mm rim... .
j. *

I really like how Kris had custom rims made to fit the needs and
function of each unicycle. The freeride muni has a wider rim, the XC
muni has a less wide rim, and the 29er has a wide 700c rim. Very cool.
Much better rim choices than we had before by using bike rims. The
trials rim and freeride rim are wider than the Alex DX32 that we have
been using as the standard muni or trials rim.

Wouldn't it be funny if the bike folks discover these rims and try to
get them. :)

My only complaint is that Kris has given the rim widths with the outside
width of the rim. It's the inside width, where the tire sits, that is
the important measurement.


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[smdO2]

Lookin Good

Will the new Kh onza hub fit on the old Kh frame?


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[PopeSamXVI]

Whoo! Smokin' hot!

Price or no price, I'm poor!


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[jagur]

*Price or no price, I'm gonna get me one. *

even a blind man cant lead a horse to water.


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[James_Potter]

*the tapered axle ends and split washers are designed to prevent the
creaking that, over the long term, wears out your axle splines.*

You mean.... no more annoying creaking??!?

HALLELUJIAH

I want one!!


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[elmer]

If this unicycle had been out last year at this time, I definitely
wouldn't have plunked down $1600 on a Wilder.:mad: These unicyles are
as bad as computers!


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[rogeratunicycledotcom]

*The hub is also slightly lighter. Importantly, the flanges are also
much improved- this makes your rim stronger because the spokes can
support it better.*

You have not mentioned that the flanges are also a lot further out so
making a noticably more rigid wheel.

Roger


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[jagur]

* These unicyles are as bad as computers! *

you didnt see that coming? $550 for a frame is crazy! Props to Scott
for designing the frame though, somone had to do it..

these new KH frames are cool but time will be kinder to the original
steel versions since Aluminum gets brittle over time.


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[markf]

not to bump a slightly old thread, but anyone know what(if any) the
warranty is on the onza/KH2005 hub/crank set? its quite a bit cheaper
than the profiles and i'm trying to determine if the profile is worth
the extra $$. thanks


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[danger_uni]

*not to bump a slightly old thread, but anyone know what(if any) the
warranty is on the onza/KH2005 hub/crank set? its quite a bit cheaper
than the profiles and i'm trying to determine if the profile is worth
the extra $$. thanks *

Warranty is: If the KH/Onza breaks due to a manufacturing defect, it's
warrantied. If you land badly off an 9 foot drop to flat concrete and
it bends, that wouldn't be warrantied. Otherwise the 95% of people who
don't break cranks would be paying extra to fund replacements to the 5%
of people who are really hard on their equipment.

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