Discussion:
Cities in Flight / where to site virus labs
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Andrew McDowell
2021-07-26 16:29:07 UTC
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From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They Shall Have Stars

"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"

(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)

If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search of technical information they can steal - this is the sort of technical information that we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
Paul S Person
2021-07-27 16:29:56 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search of technical information they can steal - this is the sort of technical information that we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to become the
Virology Lab Capital of the World?

Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Kevrob
2021-07-27 18:48:41 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search of technical information they can steal - this is the sort of technical information that we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to become the
Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Center

...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense_Facility

[quote]

Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (N.B.A.F.)
won’t be geographically isolated. It will be located in Manhattan, Kansas,
a college town in the middle of cattle country.

.....

.....One official explained that, while an accident at Plum Island could affect
twenty-nine million people, an accident in northeast Kansas would affect a
vastly smaller number.

[/quote] - https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/

New York pols didn't want the lab upgraded to handle nastier bugs.

PI features in the novel by Nelson DeMille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_(novel)
--
Kevin R
J. Clarke
2021-07-27 20:49:28 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search of technical information they can steal - this is the sort of technical information that we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to become the
Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Center
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense_Facility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (N.B.A.F.)
won’t be geographically isolated. It will be located in Manhattan, Kansas,
a college town in the middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at Plum Island could affect
twenty-nine million people, an accident in northeast Kansas would affect a
vastly smaller number.
And Clarice Starling was going to imprison Hannibal Lecter there. What
could _possibly_ go wrong?
Post by Kevrob
[/quote] - https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/
New York pols didn't want the lab upgraded to handle nastier bugs.
PI features in the novel by Nelson DeMille.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_(novel)
Robert Carnegie
2021-07-27 23:51:00 UTC
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Marvel Comics occasionally notices that all the stuff that
goes in in their New York is dangerous to have around.
Peter Parker originally was bitten by an ordinary spider at
a public radioactivity demonstration (this may now be
officially a genetically engineered spider with less radiation),
the Avengers used to launch jet fighters across Central Park,
and the Fantastic Four building contains a space rocket,
a portal to the Negative Zone, and the Fantastic Four.
The 1960s Human Torch in particular first appeared flying
over the city, which quite "reasonably" fired a nuclear missile
straight up - he dodged the explosion - and once he got his
own stories, almost every super-villain in town started to
dress in asbestos.
Kevrob
2021-07-28 06:47:42 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Marvel Comics occasionally notices that all the stuff that
goes in in their New York is dangerous to have around.
Peter Parker originally was bitten by an ordinary spider at
a public radioactivity demonstration (this may now be
officially a genetically engineered spider with less radiation),
the Avengers used to launch jet fighters across Central Park,
and the Fantastic Four building contains a space rocket,
a portal to the Negative Zone, and the Fantastic Four.
The 1960s Human Torch in particular first appeared flying
over the city, which quite "reasonably" fired a nuclear missile
straight up - he dodged the explosion - and once he got his
own stories, almost every super-villain in town started to
dress in asbestos.
The Avengers, at least for awhile, decamped from Stark's
Fifth Avenue townhouse to Hydrobase, nine miles from shore,
so they could launch Quinjets without bothering the neighbors.
{In-story the FAA wouldn't let them take off and land near
5th Avenue. It probably rattled too many embassy windows.}

In the films, there HQ was moved from Manhattan to a forest
setting further North in New York State.
--
Kevin R
J. Clarke
2021-07-28 09:11:51 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:51:00 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Marvel Comics occasionally notices that all the stuff that
goes in in their New York is dangerous to have around.
Peter Parker originally was bitten by an ordinary spider at
a public radioactivity demonstration (this may now be
officially a genetically engineered spider with less radiation),
the Avengers used to launch jet fighters across Central Park,
and the Fantastic Four building contains a space rocket,
a portal to the Negative Zone, and the Fantastic Four.
The 1960s Human Torch in particular first appeared flying
over the city, which quite "reasonably" fired a nuclear missile
straight up - he dodged the explosion - and once he got his
own stories, almost every super-villain in town started to
dress in asbestos.
Note that in the 1960s New York City was surrounded by Nike sites,
each equipped with multiple nuclear-armed antiaircraft missiles. So
Human Torch resulting in the launching of a nuclear missile was
actually somewhat plausible.
pete...@gmail.com
2021-07-28 15:56:22 UTC
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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 5:11:55 AM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
[...]
Post by J. Clarke
Note that in the 1960s New York City was surrounded by Nike sites,
each equipped with multiple nuclear-armed antiaircraft missiles. So
Human Torch resulting in the launching of a nuclear missile was
actually somewhat plausible.
There were a lot of Nike sites. Wikipedia has a list of 265 US ones.

pt
Paul S Person
2021-07-28 16:37:03 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search of technical information they can steal - this is the sort of technical information that we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to become the
Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Center
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense_Facility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (N.B.A.F.)
won’t be geographically isolated. It will be located in Manhattan, Kansas,
a college town in the middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at Plum Island could affect
twenty-nine million people, an accident in northeast Kansas would affect a
vastly smaller number.
[/quote] - https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the 1st Infantry
Division.

Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want to be
exposed to the results of an accident at such a facility.
Post by Kevrob
New York pols didn't want the lab upgraded to handle nastier bugs.
PI features in the novel by Nelson DeMille.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_(novel)
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-07-29 16:17:40 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They
Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our
new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the
common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in
heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by
Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search
of technical information they can steal - this is the sort
of technical information that we would be perfectly happy
for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to
become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Cente
r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense_Fa
cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically isolated. It will
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the middle
of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at Plum
Island could affect twenty-nine million people, an accident
in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the 1st
Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want to
be exposed to the results of an accident at such a facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs, as
they are at least trained to act as police officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even active duty
Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton being on the streets
of LA during the Rodney King riots.)

There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support for
police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's newsworthy,
but not particularly startling.

Idiot.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
pete...@gmail.com
2021-07-29 19:40:06 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They
Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test our
new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and the
common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab in
heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by
Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in search
of technical information they can steal - this is the sort
of technical information that we would be perfectly happy
for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to
become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Cente
r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense_Fa
cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically isolated. It will
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the middle
of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at Plum
Island could affect twenty-nine million people, an accident
in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the 1st
Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want to
be exposed to the results of an accident at such a facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs, as
they are at least trained to act as police officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even active duty
Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton being on the streets
of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support for
police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's newsworthy,
but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the linked
video, the people they fired on were completely innocent - the
mayor had explicitly said they could be outside on their porches
during curfew.



I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least they
were using paintballs and not FMJ.

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-07-29 22:30:47 UTC
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On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:30:01 PM UTC-4, Paul S
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They
Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test
our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu and
the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a lab
in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by
Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find
antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in
search of technical information they can steal - this
is the sort of technical information that we would be
perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont to
become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_Ce
nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defense
_Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically isolated. It
wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the
middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at
Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million people, an
accident in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly smaller
number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the
1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want
to be exposed to the results of an accident at such a
facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs,
as they are at least trained to act as police officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even active
duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton being on the
streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support for
police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's
newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the linked
video, the people they fired on were completely innocent - the
mayor had explicitly said they could be outside on their porches
during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least they
were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is that they
are not trained for it. National Guard do train specifically for
that kind of mission, but regular Army don't. And Marines generally
shouldn't be allowed off the reservation without a keeper anyway
(they were digging fox holes in the front lawn of a hotel during
the Rodney King riots - until the sprinklers came on).

But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his assumption
that it never - and can't - happen.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-07-30 19:02:14 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:30:47 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:30:01 PM UTC-4, Paul S
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They
Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test
our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu
and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a
lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by
Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find
antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in
search of technical information they can steal - this
is the sort of technical information that we would be
perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont
to become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_
Ce nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defen
se _Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically isolated.
It wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the
middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at
Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million people, an
accident in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly
smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland
/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the
1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want
to be exposed to the results of an accident at such a
facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps
MPs, as they are at least trained to act as police
officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even
active duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton
being on the streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support
for police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's
newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the linked
video, the people they fired on were completely innocent - the
mayor had explicitly said they could be outside on their
porches during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least
they were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is that
they are not trained for it. National Guard do train
specifically for that kind of mission, but regular Army don't.
And Marines generally shouldn't be allowed off the reservation
without a keeper anyway (they were digging fox holes in the
front lawn of a hotel during the Rodney King riots - until the
sprinklers came on).
But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his
assumption that it never - and can't - happen.
Although that is plain bot-talk, I feel I should point out that
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs, as
they are at least trained to act as police officers.
I never said that it never happened and I never said that it
can't happen.
You questioned whether or not something that happens pretty
regularly - and on the news, live, pretty much every time - can
happen legally.

Idiot.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-07-31 16:13:49 UTC
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:02:14 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:30:47 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight, They
Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we test
our new drugs against virus diseases like the 'flu
and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate such a
lab in heavily populated areas like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life by
Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find
antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in
search of technical information they can steal - this
is the sort of technical information that we would be
perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont
to become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Disease_
Ce nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Defen
se _Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically isolated.
It wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Kevrob
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the
middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at
Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million people, an
accident in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly
smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartland
/
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so the
1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might want
to be exposed to the results of an accident at such a
facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps
MPs, as they are at least trained to act as police
officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even
active duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton
being on the streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support
for police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's
newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the linked
video, the people they fired on were completely innocent - the
mayor had explicitly said they could be outside on their
porches during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least
they were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is that
they are not trained for it. National Guard do train
specifically for that kind of mission, but regular Army don't.
And Marines generally shouldn't be allowed off the reservation
without a keeper anyway (they were digging fox holes in the
front lawn of a hotel during the Rodney King riots - until the
sprinklers came on).
But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his
assumption that it never - and can't - happen.
Although that is plain bot-talk, I feel I should point out that
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs, as
they are at least trained to act as police officers.
I never said that it never happened and I never said that it
can't happen.
You questioned whether or not something that happens pretty
regularly - and on the news, live, pretty much every time - can
happen legally.
The topic was -- providing security to a /non-military/ Federal
facility.

Most of those have their own security.

The news items /you/ cited were about shooting people on their porches
during a riot.

That is not the same thing.

And that makes /your/ examples irrelevant to /my/ statement.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Idiot.
Ah, you've identified yourself, I see.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-07-31 17:07:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:02:14 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:30:47 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight,
They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we
test our new drugs against virus diseases like the
'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate
such a lab in heavily populated areas like the
Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life
by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find
antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in
search of technical information they can steal -
this is the sort of technical information that we
would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont
to become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Diseas
e_ Ce nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Def
en se _Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically
isolated. It wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Kevrob
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the
middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at
Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million people,
an accident in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly
smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartla
nd /
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so
the 1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might
want to be exposed to the results of an accident at
such a facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event
that were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps
MPs, as they are at least trained to act as police
officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even
active duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton
being on the streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support
for police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's
newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the
linked video, the people they fired on were completely
innocent - the mayor had explicitly said they could be
outside on their porches during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least
they were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is that
they are not trained for it. National Guard do train
specifically for that kind of mission, but regular Army don't.
And Marines generally shouldn't be allowed off the reservation
without a keeper anyway (they were digging fox holes in the
front lawn of a hotel during the Rodney King riots - until the
sprinklers came on).
But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his
assumption that it never - and can't - happen.
Although that is plain bot-talk, I feel I should point out
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs,
as they are at least trained to act as police officers.
I never said that it never happened and I never said that it
can't happen.
You questioned whether or not something that happens pretty
regularly - and on the news, live, pretty much every time - can
happen legally.
The topic was -- providing security to a /non-military/ Federal
facility.
When the National Guard gets called out during riots, they protect
whatever is in the area to be protected. That includes non-military
federal facilities, if there happen to be some.
Post by Paul S Person
Most of those have their own security.
As do most of the stores in areas seeing riots.
Post by Paul S Person
The news items /you/ cited were about shooting people on their
porches during a riot.
*I* didn't cite any news stories, retard. Pete did. And he's as big
an idiot as you are.

Dumbass.
Post by Paul S Person
That is not the same thing.
Perhaps why I didn't equate them, dumbass.
Post by Paul S Person
And that makes /your/ examples irrelevant to /my/ statement.
Perhaps you should take that up with the idiot that posted it,
dumbass.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Idiot.
Ah, you've identified yourself, I see.
I know you are, but what am I?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-01 16:05:13 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 17:07:40 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:02:14 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:30:47 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul S
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight,
They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we
test our new drugs against virus diseases like the
'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to operate
such a lab in heavily populated areas like the
Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real life
by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to find
antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup in
search of technical information they can steal -
this is the sort of technical information that we
would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish Vermont
to become the Virology Lab Capital of the World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Diseas
e_ Ce nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-Def
en se _Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and Agro-Defense
Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be geographically
isolated. It wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Kevrob
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in the
middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident at
Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million people,
an accident in northeast Kansas would affect a vastly
smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heartla
nd /
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so
the 1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might
want to be exposed to the results of an accident at
such a facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event
that were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps
MPs, as they are at least trained to act as police
officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even
active duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton
being on the streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as support
for police, there's a procedure that's pretty routine. It's
newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the
linked video, the people they fired on were completely
innocent - the mayor had explicitly said they could be
outside on their porches during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least
they were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is that
they are not trained for it. National Guard do train
specifically for that kind of mission, but regular Army don't.
And Marines generally shouldn't be allowed off the reservation
without a keeper anyway (they were digging fox holes in the
front lawn of a hotel during the Rodney King riots - until the
sprinklers came on).
But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his
assumption that it never - and can't - happen.
Although that is plain bot-talk, I feel I should point out
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps MPs,
as they are at least trained to act as police officers.
I never said that it never happened and I never said that it
can't happen.
You questioned whether or not something that happens pretty
regularly - and on the news, live, pretty much every time - can
happen legally.
The topic was -- providing security to a /non-military/ Federal
facility.
When the National Guard gets called out during riots, they protect
whatever is in the area to be protected. That includes non-military
federal facilities, if there happen to be some.
The National Guard is /not/ what we were talking about.

We were talking about the Active Army (in particular, the Big Red
One).

So you are still not addressing the topic.

Too bad Congress wasn't reinforced with a company of Marines. Given
their described behavior, we'd have a lot fewer insurgents to
prosecute.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
Most of those have their own security.
As do most of the stores in areas seeing riots.
Irrelevant. This is about /non-military Federal facilities/, not
private businesses.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
The news items /you/ cited were about shooting people on their
porches during a riot.
*I* didn't cite any news stories
<snippo bot-talk, too bad you can't keep on point like an adult>

Point taken and acknowledged.

You just tried to piggy-back on them ("news stories").
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
And that makes /your/ examples irrelevant to /my/ statement.
Perhaps you should take that up with the idiot that posted it,
<snippo bot-talk>

I would, but your examples above make that unnecessary, as you have
explicitly failed to focus on the topic at hand yourself.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-01 21:48:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 17:07:40 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:02:14 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 15:30:47 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:17:46 PM UTC-4, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:37:38 PM UTC-4, Paul
On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:30:01 PM UTC-4, Paul
Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Andrew
Post by Andrew McDowell
From the first book in Blish's cities in flight,
They Shall Have Stars
"We also have a virology lab in Vermont where we
test our new drugs against virus diseases like
the 'flu and the common cold - it isn't safe to
operate such a lab in heavily populated areas
like the Bronx"
(Chapter One introduces the idea used in real
life by Waksman of looking at microorganisms to
find antibiotics)
If anybody out there is scanning this newsgroup
in search of technical information they can steal
- this is the sort of technical information that
we would be perfectly happy for you to steal :-)
You have something against Vermont? You wish
Vermont to become the Virology Lab Capital of the
World?
Wouldn't Wyoming make more sense?
--
This facility....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Island_Animal_Dise
as e_ Ce nte r
...is being replaced by one in Manhattan, KS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bio_and_Agro-D
ef en se _Fa cility
[quote]
Unlike Plum Island, the National Bio and
Agro-Defense Facility (N.B.A.F.) won’t be
geographically isolated. It wil
l
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
be located in Manhattan, Kansas, a college town in
the middle of cattle country.
.....
.....One official explained that, while an accident
at Plum Island could affect twenty-nine million
people, an accident in northeast Kansas would affect
a vastly smaller number.
[/quote] -
https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/hot-zone-in-the-heart
la nd /
Well, yes, but that would include Fort Riley. And so
the 1st Infantry Division.
Not, one might think, the sort of resource one might
want to be exposed to the results of an accident at
such a facility.
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event
that were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that.
Perhaps MPs, as they are at least trained to act as
police officers.
Happens on a regular basis, with regular Army, and even
active duty Marines. (I recall the Marines from Pendelton
being on the streets of LA during the Rodney King riots.)
There are restrictions on how they're used, but as
support for police, there's a procedure that's pretty
routine. It's newsworthy, but not particularly startling.
Except when they forget the rules of engagement. It the
linked video, the people they fired on were completely
innocent - the mayor had explicitly said they could be
outside on their porches during curfew.
http://youtu.be/o0zeauprMJ0
I don't know about injuries in this incident, but at least
they were using paintballs and not FMJ.
The problem with using active duty troops in that way is
that they are not trained for it. National Guard do train
specifically for that kind of mission, but regular Army
don't. And Marines generally shouldn't be allowed off the
reservation without a keeper anyway (they were digging fox
holes in the front lawn of a hotel during the Rodney King
riots - until the sprinklers came on).
But that doesn't make Paul any less full of shit in his
assumption that it never - and can't - happen.
Although that is plain bot-talk, I feel I should point out
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Handy to have around to guard the place, in the event that
were deemed necessary.
True, if actual Army troops can legally do that. Perhaps
MPs, as they are at least trained to act as police officers.
I never said that it never happened and I never said that it
can't happen.
You questioned whether or not something that happens pretty
regularly - and on the news, live, pretty much every time -
can happen legally.
The topic was -- providing security to a /non-military/
Federal facility.
When the National Guard gets called out during riots, they
protect whatever is in the area to be protected. That includes
non-military federal facilities, if there happen to be some.
The National Guard is /not/ what we were talking about.\
Yes, mental illness boy, it is. Among other things.
Post by Paul S Person
We were talking about the Active Army (in particular, the Big
Red One).
Which have also been called out during riots, as I have mentioned.
82nd airborne isn't the Big Red One, but they are certainly regular
army (for a pretty elite definition of "regular.") If you're
interested in actual history (you're not) instead of being spoon
fed lies (you can't live without them) and believe you might
understand any of it (you won't), go read up on James Meredith (you
won't) and the Ole Miss riots in 1962.
Post by Paul S Person
So you are still not addressing the topic.
You're still trying to change the subject because, as *always*,
you've said something fucking *stupid*, and you're too chickenshit
to admit it.
Post by Paul S Person
Too bad Congress wasn't reinforced with a company of Marines.
Given their described behavior, we'd have a lot fewer insurgents
to prosecute.
As far as I know (and I watched it live on TV at the time), the
Marines didn't kill a single person during the Rodney King riots
(and the news media would certainly have covered it if they had).

So your insant, violent revenge fantasies remain just that:
fantasies.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
Most of those have their own security.
As do most of the stores in areas seeing riots.
Irrelevant.
Exactly on point.
Post by Paul S Person
This is about /non-military Federal facilities/, not
private businesses.
As noted, when the military is called up for riot suppression, they
protect _everything_ withing the area they're assigned. Even
federal buildings.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
The news items /you/ cited were about shooting people on their
porches during a riot.
*I* didn't cite any news stories
<snippo bot-talk, too bad you can't keep on point like an adult>
Chickenshit. You fucked up because you are *stupid*. And you're too
chickenshit to just say "I was stupid and fucked up." All you have
- ever - is excuses.
Post by Paul S Person
Point taken and acknowledged.
You just tried to piggy-back on them ("news stories").
I replied to your idiotic imiplication that regular army can't be
used for riot suppression when there are multiple historical
examples, some of them well known (and one mentioned in this very
thread already), of them doing so.

Retard.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
And that makes /your/ examples irrelevant to /my/ statement.
Perhaps you should take that up with the idiot that posted it,
<snippo bot-talk>
More chickenshit cowardice.
Post by Paul S Person
I would, but your examples above make that unnecessary, as you
have explicitly failed to focus on the topic at hand yourself.
If you're interested in actual history (you're not) instead of
being spoon fed lies (you can't live without them) and believe you
might understand any of it (you won't), go read up on James
Meredith (you won't) and the Ole Miss riots in 1962.

Instead, you will *lie* about being given that example of active
duty regular army being used for riot suppression, becaus lies are
the *only* thing you have left.

Retard.

Get help. Seriously. Before you hurt someone.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-02 16:28:08 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:48:07 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 17:07:40 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Sadly, having been informed twice already that the topic is /not/
riots or curfews or private businesses but is solely and exclusively:

use of active-duty Army units to provide security to non-military
federal installations

the /specific/ case being the Big Red One at Ft Riley and the proposed
virology lab in Manhattan, KS,

you persist in pretending otherwise.

This makes your entire response irrelevant.

And, no, that is not a "win". When you don't respond to the topic at
hand, you /lose/.

Have a nice day!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-02 17:18:32 UTC
Permalink
Since you have admitting you cannot respond to anything I've said,
including examples of the use of regular army to supplement civilian
law enforcement (as predicted), you have admitting that I'm right and
you're full of shit.

Just another day that ends in "y."
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
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