Raspberry Pi Configuration Tool Feedback Request

[u***@garethlock.com]

For those regulars amongst you who noticed my request for hardware detection code a couple of weeks ago, here is the reason.

What follows is a request for feedback regarding a work-in-progress Raspberry Pi Configuration editor for RISC OS. Currently all it does is operate the GUI, but eventually this will provide a method of changing values in CONFIG.TXT, dealing with CMOS, and allowing the user to reboot into multiple RISC OS images to name just a few things.

The download link is here...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

Some of the menu options don't do anything at all yet. But from what functions you should get the idea of what I am intending to do. To completely clean a system after running this, one will need to remove RPiConfig from !Boot.Choices, and yes, I have submitted an !Allocate request for this.

The copy of !DBSRscs inside the download will be required to run !RPiConfig as additions have been made since the RC15 release. Also, for those who haven't patched, or have removed !DBSRscs completely to fix the missing !Sprites file issue, this copy fixes that too.

Please leave feedback here, as the e-mail address used here is dead.

NOTE:- This will only work correctly if RISC OS can access the FAT partition of the Raspberry Pi's SD Card through !Boot.Loader a la RISC OS Open. If anyone has any suggestions as to how to make it work on more exotic partition configurations then I would welcome these too.

[Richard Ashbery]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
For those regulars amongst you who noticed my request for hardware
detection code a couple of weeks ago, here is the reason.
What follows is a request for feedback regarding a work-in-progress
Raspberry Pi Configuration editor for RISC OS. Currently all it
does is operate the GUI, but eventually this will provide a method
of changing values in CONFIG.TXT, dealing with CMOS, and allowing
the user to reboot into multiple RISC OS images to name just a few
things.
The download link is here...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

This looks interesting.

Excuse my ignorance but how do you get these programs to be transferred
and read on a RISC OS computer?

Richard

[u***@garethlock.com]

Download the zip onto a pen drive or network share that can be read by RISC OS and extract using SparkFS

[u***@garethlock.com]

Post by Richard Ashbery

Post by u***@garethlock.com
For those regulars amongst you who noticed my request for hardware
detection code a couple of weeks ago, here is the reason.
What follows is a request for feedback regarding a work-in-progress
Raspberry Pi Configuration editor for RISC OS. Currently all it
does is operate the GUI, but eventually this will provide a method
of changing values in CONFIG.TXT, dealing with CMOS, and allowing
the user to reboot into multiple RISC OS images to name just a few
things.
The download link is here...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

This looks interesting.
Excuse my ignorance but how do you get these programs to be transferred
and read on a RISC OS computer?
Richard

Download on a PC and copy to a pen drive or network share that can be accessed from within RISC OS and extract using SparkFS... Probably should have included download and install instructions in the original post, but I was in a hurry and was trying to do several things at once.

[News]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Download on a PC

You are making assumptions about possession of hardware...

[u***@garethlock.com]

Post by News

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Download on a PC

You are making assumptions about possession of hardware...
--
Chris Johnson

True, but I thought I was making a safe assumption that most RISC OS users would own a PC, or at least a Linux SD Card for their Pi's that could be used to download from Dropbox. Problem is I haven't got a domain server anymore... The last one died on me, so it's the best I can do, unless anyone has any RISC OS compatible suggestions.

[Richard Ashbery]

Post by u***@garethlock.com

In article

Post by u***@garethlock.com
For those regulars amongst you who noticed my request for
hardware detection code a couple of weeks ago, here is the
reason.
What follows is a request for feedback regarding a
work-in-progress Raspberry Pi Configuration editor for RISC OS.
Currently all it does is operate the GUI, but eventually this
will provide a method of changing values in CONFIG.TXT, dealing
with CMOS, and allowing the user to reboot into multiple RISC
OS images to name just a few things.
The download link is here...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

This looks interesting.
Excuse my ignorance but how do you get these programs to be
transferred and read on a RISC OS computer?
Richard

Download on a PC and copy to a pen drive or network share that can
be accessed from within RISC OS and extract using SparkFS...
Probably should have included download and install instructions in
the original post, but I was in a hurry and was trying to do
several things at once.

Maybe the 147.4 KB file (rpiconfig.zip) from Dropbox is automatically
unzipped in Windows Edge. Edge gives me the option to save the file
which I did to MySharedDocs folder which I was able to view under RISC
OS using LanMan98. There are 2 apps (!DBSRscs and !RPIConfig) which
when opened contain all text files so not terribly helpful. This seems
to be an issue with filetyping.

Regards

Richard

[u***@garethlock.com]

That's why I zip these things up in the 1st place. You need to copy the zip file to a RISC OS filing system and extract it on to that. The filetype information should be retained as it was zipped on a RISC OS system. Anyhow the filetype information is as follows...

!RPiConfig
!Boot, !Run -> Obey
!RunImage -> BASIC
Templates -> Template
!Sprites22 -> Sprite
Rompress -> Absolute


!DBSRscs
!Boot, !Run --> Obey
!Sprites, !Sprites22 -> Sprite
!Help -> Text
Libs.* -> BASIC
Docs.* -> Text
Debug.* -> BASIC
Utils.WaitUntil -> Absolute (IIRC, but it's not used by this project anyhow.)
!Help

[Vince M Hudd]

Utils.WaitUntil -> Absolute (IIRC, but it's not used by this project anyhow..)

Then why on Earth are you distributing it in your zip file?

(Plus a related question sent by email).

[u***@garethlock.com]

!DBSRscs is a central repository for stuff common to multiple applications I've written. As a result, it resides there. As this application also has dependencies on code in that repository, it gets bundled in the zip file.

[Vince M Hudd]

On 14/12/2017 12:50, ***@garethlock.com wrote:

[...]

Could you reply to my email, please? The second question is a little
more important.

[u***@garethlock.com]

Can you resend to lock_gareth at yahoo dot co dot uk. The address used here is dead and has been for a while.

[Vince M Hudd]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Can you resend to lock_gareth at yahoo dot co dot uk. The address used here is dead and has been for a while.

Email sent. I did wonder if you hadn't replied because of *my* address.
I used my usenet address earlier - which sometimes people automatically
assume is invalid/fake, but it isn't.

So it's a little ironic that it turns out to be because I sent it TO an
address that you don't / can't use. There was no NDR, though, so it's
actually something of a black hole. :(

(The new email is from my 'normal' address).

[u***@garethlock.com]

Have finally uploaded the changes described in an earlier post. Have tidied up menus and removed window furniture a la Style Guide.

Will generate a !Sprites file by downsampling !Sprites22 at some point before official release.

Load CMOS and Save CMOS actually function, though currently just save and load Choices:RPiConfig.NvRAM. Next stage to get drag and drop save/load working.

Have included a program options window currently has options for scanning CONFIG.TXT on startup, and opening Options window on left click over icon-bar. These options are saved in a separate file Choices:RPiConfig.Choices.

[u***@garethlock.com]

On Thursday, 14 December 2017 22:26:26 UTC, ***@garethlock.com wrote:
OK... Have got the drag and drop sort of working. Load works fine, Save needs to be sanitised as performing the drag operation multiple times appends multiple copies of the path name to the message before it finally gives up with "Message too long/Not a multiple of 4". Think I know why this is, will re-post a new zipfile when it's fixed.

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Have finally uploaded the changes described in an earlier post. Have tidied up menus and removed window furniture a la Style Guide.
Will generate a !Sprites file by downsampling !Sprites22 at some point before official release.
Load CMOS and Save CMOS actually function, though currently just save and load Choices:RPiConfig.NvRAM. Next stage to get drag and drop save/load working.
Have included a program options window currently has options for scanning CONFIG.TXT on startup, and opening Options window on left click over icon-bar. These options are saved in a separate file Choices:RPiConfig.Choices.

[u***@garethlock.com]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
OK... Have got the drag and drop sort of working. Load works fine, Save needs to be sanitised as performing the drag operation multiple times appends multiple copies of the path name to the message before it finally gives up with "Message too long/Not a multiple of 4". Think I know why this is, will re-post a new zipfile when it's fixed.

Fixed zipfile with drag and drop CMOS Load/Save functionality is now available from https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

[u***@garethlock.com]

Further progress has been made and I have the guts of a CONFIG.TXT interpreter/parser written. Still isn't ready for feedback yet. Have a couple of features I want to add. This was the reason for asking about Throwback windows. However, I probably don't need interactivity, rather a tidy method of displaying output on the desktop.

Stopping for Xmas now. Will be back on it sometime after 9th Jan. Enjoy the festive period.

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Further progress has been made and I have the guts of a CONFIG.TXT
interpreter/parser written. Still isn't ready for feedback yet. Have a
couple of features I want to add. This was the reason for asking about
Throwback windows. However, I probably don't need interactivity,
rather a tidy method of displaying output on the desktop.
Stopping for Xmas now. Will be back on it sometime after 9th Jan. Enjoy the festive period.

I'm part of the silent people. But not today :)

Thanks for the effort. I did not try the tool yet: only RISC OS, so no
way to download it. Free hosting on RISC OS FR is (always) a
possibility (for everyone that does RISC OS things).

Please consider to add overclock options. I can help with the
CONFIG.TXT tricks.

David

[John Rickman]

Post by David Feugey
Thanks for the effort. I did not try the tool yet: only RISC OS, so no
way to download it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

Someone in this thread said change the above link to:-
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=1

and Bob's your uncle - download on RISC OS - no hay problema

It comes down as an XML type file - just change to ZIP and SparkFs
will handle it.

John

Merry Christmas - Joyeux Noel - Feliz Navidad

[u***@garethlock.com]

Thanks John for the assistance here. I don't have a functioning domain server at the moment, not since the main board started to get flakey in the secondhand DELL 1600SC I was using. Really need to get this dealt with and get the data off it, so I'm using my Dropbox account as a file dump until I work out something more permanent.

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... Big progress today. Sorted out GUI And associated logic for the overvoltage controls and finished off designing the window for the overclocking controls. Need to write the logic to tie these in, but almost there. Added option to terminate lines in CONFIG.TXT with CR,LF. Not sure if this is required or not.

And yeah... I know it's Xmas day, but we had our big Xmas a day early!!

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... Didn't manage to get those changes uploaded before we went away. Will upload when I return.

[u***@garethlock.com]

In response to David's request for overclocking options, these are already in the pipeline and virtually complete in my copy of the back-end CONFIG.TXT read routine, just not in the GUI yet. Will get this completed and posted after Xmas.

[u***@garethlock.com]

I've got the documentation from raspberrypi.org. What would be handy if it were to prove popular over there, would be an official French translation. I can split the icon contents into a text file if that would help, all one would need to do would be to xlate the text & messages and post them back so I can modify the windowmanager buffer lengths accordingly.

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
I've got the documentation from raspberrypi.org. What would be handy
if it were to prove popular over there, would be an official French
translation. I can split the icon contents into a text file if that
would help, all one would need to do would be to xlate the text &
messages and post them back so I can modify the windowmanager buffer
lengths accordingly.

I'll be happy to help :)

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... I'm away at the moment. Will re-factor the code to tokenise the Templates file and include a text file with the next upload.

The other way of going about it would be to include a "language selection" type drop-down in the options menu and select a fixed template file to load based on that selection.

The second option would probably be easiest for me to implement as the WindowManager icon buffers would adjust automatically with the new template file.

Let me know what you think the best approach would be, or maybe you have a better idea of how to go about it. I'd hold off for the time being though, as I have a later version of the program I have yet to upload.

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Ok... I'm away at the moment. Will re-factor the code to tokenise the
Templates file and include a text file with the next upload.
The other way of going about it would be to include a "language
selection" type drop-down in the options menu and select a fixed
template file to load based on that selection.
The second option would probably be easiest for me to implement as the
WindowManager icon buffers would adjust automatically with the new
template file.
Let me know what you think the best approach would be, or maybe you
have a better idea of how to go about it. I'd hold off for the time
being though, as I have a later version of the program I have yet to
upload.

As you want. On the other hand, I can also translate template files.

David

[u***@garethlock.com]

Sounds like a plan then. Like I said though, I'm out of the country at the moment, yet have an updated program and template file on my system at home. Therefore I suggest we hold until I can update the copy that's currently on Dropbox. Before I do, I'll also add the language drop-down to the options window.

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok David... I'm back and I've pushed the updates I've made onto Dropbox. Looking forward to your feedback.

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Ok David... I'm back and I've pushed the updates I've made onto
Dropbox. Looking forward to your feedback.

Can you give me the link again? I and Messenger have the habit to
delete old newsgroup messages :)

Bye, David

[u***@garethlock.com]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

OK, I'll check that soon.
(soon = David's way = don't hold your breath :) )

[Rick Murray]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

Works better with NetSurf if "?dl=1".

[u***@garethlock.com]

I think this was mentioned, but this is a Dropbox generated link which is pasted out, so I probably forgot to modify it.

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
I think this was mentioned, but this is a Dropbox generated link which
is pasted out, so I probably forgot to modify it.

A subdomain on RISC OS FR is free... for life... mine :)

Bye, David

[u***@garethlock.com]

I should be re-establishing my own domain now I have replacement server hardware, so will host primarily on that, but a mirror wouldn't go amiss...

[u***@garethlock.com]

Due to work commitments, this little project has had to take a back seat. I do plan on getting back to it once my paid work deadlines have been met.

I haven't forgotten, although this topic has been rather quiet.

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... garethlock.com is back up of sorts. It still looks a bit ameteurish as I'm starting from the ground up. The old layout was well stuck in the 90s and the majority of it hadn't been updated in years.

My completed stuff is available for download. Although !RPiConfig hasn't yet made an appearance as a download link, it does get a mention.

[Rick Murray]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Ok... garethlock.com is back up of sorts.

Hmm, must be http://www.garethlock.com/ not http://garethlock.com ...

[David Feugey]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
Due to work commitments, this little project has had to take a back
seat. I do plan on getting back to it once my paid work deadlines have
been met.
I haven't forgotten, although this topic has been rather quiet.

I did not forget it too :) I did take a look at the current version. A
French translation will be easy to do.

David

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... That would be appreciated... However, like I said, I'm busy with paid work at the moment, but will get back to this once deadlines have been met.

All the best.

[Alan Adams]

Post by Richard Ashbery

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Post by Richard Ashbery
Maybe the 147.4 KB file (rpiconfig.zip) from Dropbox is automatically
unzipped in Windows Edge. Edge gives me the option to save the file
which I did to MySharedDocs folder which I was able to view under RISC
OS using LanMan98. There are 2 apps (!DBSRscs and !RPIConfig) which
when opened contain all text files so not terribly helpful. This seems
to be an issue with filetyping.

If you receive a zip file with RISC OS files it's essential to unzip
it on RISC OS, otherwise you get this sort of filetyping issue.

Post by Richard Ashbery
Regards
Richard

[Richard Ashbery]

[snip]

Post by Alan Adams
If you receive a zip file with RISC OS files it's essential to
unzip it on RISC OS, otherwise you get this sort of filetyping
issue.

Windows Edge doesn't seem to make it easy to download the zip into a
folder but when I tried the same thing in Chrome I could do it. I
suspect Edge unzips a file which makes it difficult for RISC OS users to
deal with them.

Thanks for the help.

Richard

[u***@garethlock.com]

I must admit... I found Edge clumsy after using IE for so long, so I just set IE to be the default browser on my Win10 setup.

[druck]

Post by u***@garethlock.com
I must admit... I found Edge clumsy after using IE for so long, so I just set IE to be the default browser on my Win10 setup.

It really hurt poking myself in the left eye with a pointy stick, so I
decided to poke myself in the right eye instead.

---druck

[Dave Symes]

Post by druck

Post by u***@garethlock.com
I must admit... I found Edge clumsy after using IE for so long, so I
just set IE to be the default browser on my Win10 setup.

It really hurt poking myself in the left eye with a pointy stick, so I
decided to poke myself in the right eye instead.
---druck

Oh I do so love that. :-)

Top marks Mr D...

Dave

[u***@garethlock.com]

Ok... Have made several changes to the code since first posting the zip file up to Dropbox. The original link now points to the updated file. These include writing out a single file in Choices:RPiConfig and fixing a bug in the original implementation of it that meant part baked changes could get committed to file if more than one window was open and being modified at the same time.

[j***@mdfs.net]

Post by Richard Ashbery
Windows Edge doesn't seem to make it easy to download the zip into a
folder but when I tried the same thing in Chrome I could do it.

Right click, file -> Save As ?

[j***@mdfs.net]

Some initial notes

DBSRscs should use 4-digit years
What are sudo macros? sudo is a Unix thing, it doesn't exist on RISC OS.

What's wrong with:
DEFFNisnumber(A$)=VALA$<>0 OR A$="0"
Error 254 is Bad command. You need to use a different error number.
Don't scream!!! at your user.

That's not how Miscellaneous is spelled
write-back is an adjective, not a verb
on-the-fly is an adjective, not a verb

There's no !Sprites file

With...
IF FNfs_found(target$,3) THEN
IF FNfs_filetype(target$)=&fc8 THEN
IF FNfs_found(target$+".CONFIG/TXT",1) THEN
rpi_detected%=TRUE
ENDIF
ENDIF
ENDIF

As you have defined FNfs_filetype() to return -1 if there is no object, this can be...

IF FNfs_filetype(target$)=&FC8 THEN
IF FNfs_found(target$+".CONFIG/TXT",1) THEN
rpi_detected%=TRUE
ENDIF
ENDIF

You previously check to see if the image file exists and is an image file (meaning its image filing system is active, in this case DOSFS), but the check for CONFIG/TXT will give 0 if DOSFS is not active, so if target$ exists and is filetyped to &FC8 but DOSFS is not active, you will still get rpi_detected=0

And it can be optimised to:

target$=....
rpi_detected%=TRUE
IF FNfs_filetype(target$)=&FC8 THEN IF rpi_detected%=FNfs_found(target$+".CONFIG/TXT",1)

[u***@garethlock.com]

Pseudo AKA emulated or fake, as BASIC has no real way to define macros a la C. FNiif() emulates Inline IF in C. That file is full of similar simple oneliner or short FN/PROCs that reduce complex long lines down to a couple of embedded FNs. If I misspelled "Sudo" when I first wrote the library something like 10+ years ago then I can and will fix that one.

[John Williams (News)]

Post by j***@mdfs.net
on-the-fly is an adjective, not a verb

Is it not an adverb? It describes how something is done, surely.

John

[u***@garethlock.com]

OK Fixed some faux pas... References to "Sudo" are now correctly "Pseudo". Sorted out some of the window furniture niggles too. Will push the changes up sometime later today.

[u***@garethlock.com]

OK Found instances of 254 in LibASH. I always thought that 254 was user defined. Maybe I'm thinking back to the Beeb here. Is there a user definable error number that can replace 254 here?

Have fixed Sudo to Pseudo and sorted out some of the window furniture issues. Will push the changes up sometime today.

[Richard Ashbery]

Post by j***@mdfs.net

Post by Richard Ashbery
Windows Edge doesn't seem to make it easy to download the zip
into a folder but when I tried the same thing in Chrome I could
do it.

Right click, file -> Save As ?

Should have tried that - many thanks.

Richard

[charles]

Post by Richard Ashbery

Post by u***@garethlock.com
For those regulars amongst you who noticed my request for hardware
detection code a couple of weeks ago, here is the reason.
What follows is a request for feedback regarding a work-in-progress
Raspberry Pi Configuration editor for RISC OS. Currently all it
does is operate the GUI, but eventually this will provide a method
of changing values in CONFIG.TXT, dealing with CMOS, and allowing
the user to reboot into multiple RISC OS images to name just a few
things.
The download link is here...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i591papxxnibfip/rpiconfig.zip?dl=0

This looks interesting.
Excuse my ignorance but how do you get these programs to be transferred
and read on a RISC OS computer?

I have my RISC machines (ARMX6, ARMini, Iyonix and RISC PC) on the same
network as my Windows machine.

[u***@garethlock.com]

If transferring them from PC to RISC OS is a problem then stick a temporary e-mail address in reply and I send the zip file via email attachment.