How to use GuruNet as a dictionary.

[Jeff_Relf]

How to use GuruNet as a dictionary.
GuruNet makes a better WinXP dictionary than WordWeb.
The fonts and colors are better because it's IE underneath,
and IE has an accessability option which allows you to
override fonts and colors using a style sheet.

GuruNet is totally free
but they try to get you to subscribe to their service.

Worse, they don't tell you that you have to highlight ( select ) a word
( which is a double-click in my Visual Studio.NET )
before you Alt-Click it ( or Ctl-Click, as I've set it up ).

If I don't double-click the word first ( to select it )
it often goes off on some kind of a subscrion/web search ( often blank )
instead of giving me the dictionary definition.

Also, if you don't highligh the word first
and there's a web link on the clicked-line,
it goes to the web link instead of giving you the definition.

The actual dictionary is on-line but, with broadband,
it seems like it's coming from the harddisk.

[Eric Gisse]

Jeff_Relf <***@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<***@Cotse.NET>...

[snip]

Stupid relf. Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics?

[Rick]

Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Stupid relf. Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics?

... for the same reason he posts non-Linux stuff in COLA. He's an idiot.

[Johannes Bauer]

Post by Rick

Post by Eric Gisse
[snip]
Stupid relf. Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics?

... for the same reason he posts non-Linux stuff in COLA. He's an idiot.

He sure is. And, as I can see from the above post, he again changed his
eMail-address. Glad I've killfiled the whole "Jeff Relf" string.

Greetings,
Johannes

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PLEASE verify my signature. Some forging troll is claiming to be me.
My GPG key id is 0xCC727E2E (dated 2004-11-03). You can get it from
wwwkeys.pgp.net, random.sks.keyserver.penguin.de, pgp.dtype.org,
keyserver.kjsl.com and many more.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi fsegg_uaf_edu ( Fairbanks, _CgjNVW B Google.COM, . ),
You wrote: <<
Stupid relf.
Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics ? >>

Relax Eric, and ask Ha Ha Hanson if you need any help navigating Usenet
( or life, for that matter ).

Linux, newsreaders and physics are Background topics, I say.

[Eric Gisse]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi fsegg_uaf_edu ( Fairbanks, _CgjNVW B Google.COM, . ),
You wrote: <<
Stupid relf.
Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics ? >>
Relax Eric, and ask Ha Ha Hanson if you need any help navigating Usenet
( or life, for that matter ).
Linux, newsreaders and physics are Background topics, I say.

Stupid relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted nettiquite.

Why do you continue posting IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT to sci.physics?

[Johannes Bauer]

Post by Eric Gisse
Stupid relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted nettiquite.
Why do you continue posting IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT to sci.physics?

Well, Relf is just a dumb moron. But, if you noticed, your little "hint"
was also crossposte to these very groups, you have not set any Fup2.

So the implications are obvious...

This was NOT posted to csp, only to cola.

Greetings,
Johannes

- --
PLEASE verify my signature. Some forging troll is claiming to be me.
My GPG key id is 0xCC727E2E (dated 2004-11-03). You can get it from
wwwkeys.pgp.net, random.sks.keyserver.penguin.de, pgp.dtype.org,
keyserver.kjsl.com and many more.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Eric, ( fsegg_uaf_edu, _CgjNVW B Google.COM, . ),
To this comment of mine: <<
Linux, newsreaders and physics are Background topics, I say. >>

You replied: <<
Stupid relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted nettiquite.
Why do you continue posting IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT to sci.physics ? >>

If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

But if you do try GuruNet, before Alt-Clicking a word,
be sure to highlight the word you want the definition of
( or Cntrl-Middle-Click, as I've set it up, to avoid conflicts )
...They don't tell you to do that, but it is required.

GuruNet works from any WinXP location, including Visual Studio.NET.

It's a totally free on-line dictionary/encyclopedia/language-translator,
but you can get some extra physics-specific stuff if you pay them.

Here is one of their ( free ) definitions of entropy: <<
entropy, quantity specifying the amount of disorder or randomness
in a system bearing energy or information.
Originally defined in thermodynamics in terms of heat and temperature,
entropy indicates the degree to which a given quantity of thermal energy
is available for doing useful work
—the greater the entropy, the less available the energy.
For example, consider a system composed of a hot body and a cold body;
this system is ordered because the faster, more energetic molecules
of the hot body are separated from
the less energetic molecules of the cold body.
If the bodies are placed in contact,
heat will flow from the hot body to the cold one.
This heat flow can be utilized by a heat engine
( device which turns thermal energy into mechanical energy, or work ),
but once the two bodies have reached the same temperature,
no more work can be done. Furthermore,
the combined lukewarm bodies cannot unmix themselves
into hot and cold parts in order to repeat the process.
Although no energy has been lost by the heat transfer,
the energy can no longer be used to do work.
Thus the entropy of the system has increased.
According to the second law of thermodynamics,
during any process the change in entropy of a system
and its surroundings is either zero or positive.
In other words the entropy of the universe as a whole
tends toward a maximum.
This means that although energy cannot vanish
because of the law of conservation of energy ( see conservation laws ),
it tends to be degraded from useful forms to useless ones.
It should be noted that
the second law of thermodynamics is statistical rather than exact;
thus there is nothing to prevent
the faster molecules from separating from the slow ones. However,
such an occurrence is so improbable as to be
impossible from a practical point of view.
In information theory the term entropy is used to represent
the sum of the predicted values of the data in a message. >>

[Rick]

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:20 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:

(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)

What does this have to do with Liux?

[Edwin]

Post by Rick
(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)
What does this have to do with Liux?

What does "Liux [sic]" have to do with Linux?

[Rick]

Post by Edwin

Post by Rick
(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)
What does this have to do with Liux?

What does "Liux [sic]" have to do with Linux?

That's right Eddies... criticize typos... you have nothing else to say.

[Edwin]

Post by Rick

Post by Edwin

Post by Rick
(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)
What does this have to do with Liux?

What does "Liux [sic]" have to do with Linux?

That's right Eddies... criticize typos... you have nothing else to say.

Under your rules of judgement, I offered no criticism, I merely asked a question.

[Rick]

Post by Edwin

Post by Rick

Post by Edwin

Post by Rick
(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)
What does this have to do with Liux?

What does "Liux [sic]" have to do with Linux?

That's right Eddies... criticize typos... you have nothing else to say.

Under your rules of judgement, I offered no criticism, I merely asked a question.

Fine... Liux was a typo. It was meant to be Linux, which is relevant to
Linux.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Edwin ( Prodigy.COM, Microsoft ),

I hate to interupt your dialog with Rick,
but GuruNet does have something to do with Liux [ healthy ],
It's a free service that I constantly use
and it requires IE... it doesn't run on Linux.

GuruNet actually made me configure IE, now that I'm indirectly using it.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Edwin ( Prodigy.COM, Microsoft ),
I hate to interupt your dialog with Rick,
but GuruNet does have something to do with Liux [ healthy ],
It's a free service that I constantly use
and it requires IE... it doesn't run on Linux.
GuruNet actually made me configure IE, now that I'm indirectly using it.

So... what does it have to do with Linux?

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, I wrote: << GuruNet does have something to do with Linux,
It's a free service that I constantly use
and it requires IE... it doesn't run on Linux.
GuruNet actually made me configure IE, now that I'm indirectly using it. >>

And you, displaying your usual mindlessness, asked me: <<
So... what does it have to do with Linux ? >>

Show me the Linux equivalent... if you can.

And after you can't, ask yourself why that is.
( Not that I think you're capable of such deep thinking )

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I wrote: << GuruNet does have something to do with Linux,
It's a free service that I constantly use
and it requires IE... it doesn't run on Linux.
GuruNet actually made me configure IE, now that I'm indirectly using it. >>
And you, displaying your usual mindlessness, asked me: <<
So... what does it have to do with Linux ? >>
Show me the Linux equivalent... if you can.
And after you can't, ask yourself why that is.
( Not that I think you're capable of such deep thinking )

First, the question originally had to do with Gurunet and physics:
*******************************************

Subject: Re: GuruNet is for Sci.Physics too.
From: Rick <***@none.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,news.software.readers,sci.physics
Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:57:38 -0500

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:20 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:

(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)

What does this have to do with Linux?

*****************************************************
(spelling corrected)

Second, apparently there is an app/utility called Hot Words that is
similar. I have no idea how similar, I just did a few second search.

Third, I don't care what you think I am capable of thinking, since I
consider you a complete waste of flesh.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, Re: No Linux equivalent to GuruNet, which allows one to
Alt-click a highlighted term from within any app to get the dictionary
or encyclopedia definition ( online, using IE underneath ),

You replied: <<
...apparently there is an app/utility called Hot Words that is similar.
I have no idea how similar, I just did a few second search. >>

That only works from a browser ( Moz ), not from an app,
and not with an Alt-Click ( or Ctrl-Middle-Click, as I've configured it ).

I wonder why such a thing doesn't exist for Linux ? Hmm ?

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, Re: No Linux equivalent to GuruNet, which allows one to
Alt-click a highlighted term from within any app to get the dictionary
or encyclopedia definition ( online, using IE underneath ),
You replied: <<
...apparently there is an app/utility called Hot Words that is similar.
I have no idea how similar, I just did a few second search. >>
That only works from a browser ( Moz ), not from an app,
and not with an Alt-Click ( or Ctrl-Middle-Click, as I've configured it ).

Actually, it works from the Linspire Internet Suite, not Mozilla. Gecko is
not Mozilla. And no, you don't alt-click, you use the mouse to put the
cursor on the word.. less keyboard interaction.

Post by Jeff_Relf
I wonder why such a thing doesn't exist for Linux ? Hmm ?

... maybe because there isn't a desire for it in the Linux community?

You keep cutting context content, Relf...

Here is the rest...

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I wrote: << GuruNet does have something to do with Linux,
It's a free service that I constantly use
and it requires IE... it doesn't run on Linux.
GuruNet actually made me configure IE, now that I'm indirectly using it. >>
And you, displaying your usual mindlessness, asked me: <<
So... what does it have to do with Linux ? >>
Show me the Linux equivalent... if you can.
And after you can't, ask yourself why that is.
( Not that I think you're capable of such deep thinking )

First, the question originally had to do with Gurunet and physics:
*******************************************

Subject: Re: GuruNet is for Sci.Physics too.
From: Rick <***@none.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,news.software.readers,sci.physics
Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:57:38 -0500

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:23:20 +0000, Jeff_Relf wrote:

(snip)

Post by Jeff_Relf
If you'd just take the time to checkout GuruNet,
you'd see that it has plenty of physics terms in it.

(snip)

What does this have to do with Linux?

*****************************************************
(spelling corrected)

Second, apparently there is an app/utility called Hot Words that is
similar. I have no idea how similar, I just did a few second search.

Third, I don't care what you think I am capable of thinking, since I
consider you a complete waste of flesh."


You didn't answer the first question ... relevance to Linux in the context
in which it was asked.

As for Gurunet, you asked for a similar app. I provided a reference.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, I use GuruNet from within Visual Studio.NET,
the " Linspire Internet Suite " ( whatever that is ),
is not what I edit with ( thank God ).

As for my quoting style,
I find it much more intelligent than your mechanized spam.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I use GuruNet from within Visual Studio.NET,
the " Linspire Internet Suite " ( whatever that is ),
is not what I edit with ( thank God ).

Yes? So what?

Post by Jeff_Relf
As for my quoting style,
I find it much more intelligent than your mechanized spam.

Your 'quoting style' is dishonest, which isn't surprising.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, I wrote: << the " Linspire Internet Suite "
is not what I edit with ( thank God ). >>

And you asked: " Yes ? So what ? "

VS.NET is what I'm most familiar with ( from coding )
and, when combined with GuruNet and a Google-Advanced quick-launch,
it's a vary powerful editor for e-mail and Usenet.

It's one key to start/stop keystroke recording ( which can be editited )
and I can write complex Visual Basic macros as well, if I choose to.

While the Linspire suite is interesting ( I just looked it up )
VS.NET has a much better genealogy and is better funded.

Eventually, I might have X.CPP replace VS.NET,
which would give me on-the-fly spell checking and quicker Google searches.
After all, I'd rather write C++ code than VB macros.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I wrote: << the " Linspire Internet Suite "
is not what I edit with ( thank God ). >>
And you asked: " Yes ? So what ? "
VS.NET is what I'm most familiar with ( from coding )

Yes? So what?

Post by Jeff_Relf
and, when combined with GuruNet and a Google-Advanced quick-launch,
it's a vary powerful editor for e-mail and Usenet.
It's one key to start/stop keystroke recording ( which can be editited )
and I can write complex Visual Basic macros as well, if I choose to.
While the Linspire suite is interesting ( I just looked it up )
VS.NET has a much better genealogy and is better funded.

Better genealogy? What the hell does that mean?

Better funded? What does that have to do with anything?

Post by Jeff_Relf
Eventually, I might have X.CPP replace VS.NET,
which would give me on-the-fly spell checking and quicker Google searches.
After all, I'd rather write C++ code than VB macros.

Eventually? Eventually you'll be worm food...

BTW, have you not figured out that few (if any, but you) care about this
crap you call X (which may well infringe trademarks) or X.CPP?

[Jeff_Relf]

Rick ( 13, 3.57 A, A Uni-Berlin.DE, Pan_0_14_2 ),
Re: How VS.NET has a much better genealogy and is better funded,

You asked: << Better genealogy ? What the hell does that mean ?
Better funded ? What does that have to do with anything ? >>

Programmers work harder wher they're paid to work ( as they are at MS )
...and when they know their product will be widely used, as VS is.

VS' genealogy ( Micro-Soft languages ) goes back to 1976,
...that's a long time. It's time tested.

You wrote: <<
BTW, have you not figured out that few ( if any, but you )
care about this crap you call X
( which may well infringe trademarks ) or X.CPP ? >>

No shit Sherlock ? !

I discuss what's on my mind... and that means X.

X is art... not a commercial product, so in the real world
( not that fantasy land that you live in ) trademarks don't matter.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Programmers work harder wher they're paid to work

Nobody has worked harder on more fundamental code that is in more widespread
use than Linus Torvalds...who, in comparison to the great benefit delivered
to people, has been paid peanuts.

Post by Jeff_Relf
VS' genealogy ( Micro-Soft languages ) goes back to 1976,
...that's a long time. It's time tested.

You don't know shit. The VB IDE and the c IDE were completely different
animals only until VS.NET...in fact, the modern vc++ IDE is very new...and
in fact was always more of a text editor than a real debugging environment
( because real c++ programmers don't need an IDE ).

It's only recently that the VB style surpassed the c++ and Microsoft folded
everything into a more Visual/Interpretive style of programming that seems
to be the best mix of all ( based on the success of java having 50% of the
programming market ).

Post by Jeff_Relf
X is art...

Yes, it's like one of those Leroy Neiman paintings...

http://www.neimanoriginals.com/

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by John Bailo

Post by Jeff_Relf
Programmers work harder wher they're paid to work

Nobody has worked harder on more fundamental code that is in more
widespread use than Linus Torvalds...who, in comparison to the great
benefit delivered to people, has been paid peanuts.

Post by Jeff_Relf
VS' genealogy ( Micro-Soft languages ) goes back to 1976,
...that's a long time. It's time tested.

You don't know shit. The VB IDE and the c IDE were completely different
animals only until VS.NET...in fact, the modern vc++ IDE is very new...and
in fact was always more of a text editor than a real debugging environment
( because real c++ programmers don't need an IDE ).
It's only recently that the VB style surpassed the c++ and Microsoft
folded everything into a more Visual/Interpretive style of programming
that seems to be the best mix of all ( based on the success of java having
50% of the programming market ).

Post by Jeff_Relf
X is art...

Yes, it's like one of those Leroy Neiman paintings...
http://www.neimanoriginals.com/

Nope, it is not. Those paintings are art

Relfs code is just Relfs code. You can't associate anything with it, except
dog shit perhaps. The smellier type

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, Re: VS' genealogy ( Micro-Soft languages ) going back to 1976,

You wrote: << You don't know shit.
The VB IDE and the c IDE were completely different animals
only until VS.NET...in fact, the modern vc++ IDE is very new
...and in fact was always more of a text editor
than a real debugging environment
( because real c++ programmers don't need an IDE ). >>

VS.NET is little changed from MS Developer's Studio, VC6.
And, unlike you, I do know shit,
...I was using Microsoft's IDE professionally back in 1988.
I was programming MS-DOS machines professionally back in 1983 too,
so don't tell me about what " Real Programmers " do,
as you obviously don't know jack-shit about it.

You wrote: <<
It's only recently that the VB style surpassed the c++
and Microsoft folded everything into a more Visual/Interpretive style
of programming that seems to be the best mix of all
( based on the success of java having 50% of the programming market ). >>

Oh right, it's all Java isn't it, a language that didn't even exist
( for many good reasons ) before 1995, C# even later than that.

You wrote: <<
Nobody has worked harder on more fundamental code
that is in more widespread use than Linus Torvalds
...who, in comparison to the great benefit delivered to people,
has been paid peanuts. >>

He's well paid right now, especially compared to me.
And I don't envy him one bit, Linux has take on a life of it's own,
leaving linus with fewer options than before.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Oh right, it's all Java isn't it, a language that didn't even exist
( for many good reasons ) before 1995, C# even later than that.

But smalltalk was before all of them.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, Re: The history of languages and IDEs,
You wrote, " smalltalk was before all of them. "

From GuruNet: << first commercial release of Smalltalk was
Methods from Digitalk in 1983, which later evolved into Visual Smalltalk.
In 1997, Smalltalk became an ANSI standard (X3J20).
See VisualWorks, Visual Smalltalk, VisualAge and Alto. >>
^^^^
I was using a very similar system ( Lilth, a Modula-2 engine )
at the start of 1982, not only that, but Zerox Parc themselves
switched to Modula-3 for their next project ( Firefly, with multiple CPUs ).

C/C++ is better, trust me.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
C/C++ is better, trust me.

Today, after lunching at Jersey Mikes, where I had the #4 italian sub.

Cappacola.
Proscuito
And so on.

I had a thought.

What is a RDBMS, but a message receiver, that queues requests to change, or
to send data.

So, my idea is to hook up a sendmail queue. Then my multithreaded XML
parser, will take the messages, and, using a mutex, update the XML
document, or send a response.

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by John Bailo

Post by Jeff_Relf
C/C++ is better, trust me.

Today, after lunching at Jersey Mikes, where I had the #4 italian sub.
Cappacola.
Proscuito
And so on.
I had a thought.
What is a RDBMS, but a message receiver, that queues requests to change,
or to send data.
So, my idea is to hook up a sendmail queue. Then my multithreaded XML
parser, will take the messages, and, using a mutex, update the XML
document, or send a response.

I'm sure you can refine that idea somewhat with Relf, as your combined
programming skills don't quite reach that of a amoeba.

May I propose you two do that in alt.talk.idiots?

[John Bailo]

Post by Peter Köhlmann
May I propose

Why are you up so early annoying me ?

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by John Bailo

Post by Peter Köhlmann
May I propose

Why are you up so early annoying me ?

Oh, I'm not. I was very helpful, infact

As it is widely known, you have no programming skills worth shit. Relf has
even less. So continuing your "refining talks" with Relf in alt.talk.idiots
would only be the logical thing to do, don't you agree?

[John Bailo]

Post by Peter Köhlmann
As it is widely known,

You consider notoriety in COLA as making something /widely/ /known/ ?

You need to get out more often.

You should treat yourself to an Italian Sub at Jersey Mike's :

http://www.jerseymikes.com

[Kevin Wilcox]

Post by John Bailo

Post by Peter Köhlmann
As it is widely known,

You consider notoriety in COLA as making something /widely/ /known/ ?
You need to get out more often.
http://www.jerseymikes.com

Or, if you happen to live in Watauga County, NC, go for the Italian
at Mile High Subs. Unless it's a Monday - Monday is the chicken
salad special :)

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, You wrote: << I had a thought.
What is a RDBMS, but a message receiver,
that queues requests to change, or to send data.
So, my idea is to hook up a sendmail queue.
Then my multithreaded XML parser will take the messages, and,
using a mutex, update the XML document, or send a response. >>

I thought you were already using e-mail and XML instead of a RDBMS.
Wouldn't the RDBMS be much faster ?

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Wouldn't the RDBMS be much faster ?

Why would it be faster?

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, Re: What handles transactions faster, sendmail or a RDBMS,

Just build both systems and run timming tests on them.

I'm guessing that the RDBMS would be much faster as it's optimized for that.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, Re: What handles transactions faster, sendmail or a RDBMS,
Just build both systems and run timming tests on them.
I'm guessing that the RDBMS would be much faster as it's optimized for that.

That's the most ignorant thing I've heard you say.

[John Bailo]

And I don't envy [Linus] one bit, Linux has take on a life of it's own,
leaving linus with fewer options than before.

You speak of /art/

Yet, the greatest artists speak of the process of creation like giving birth
to a child.

Linus would, of course, like Picasso or Marcel Duchamps, want Linux to have
a life of it's own...because that is the only measure of success.

Whereas Microsoft, and it's products, art ultimately tied to Bill Gate$.

And as his powers decline, so too, their use.

Because *He* -- could never /let/ /go/

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, Bill Gates has even less control than Linus,
and Bill's products are much larger, with a much greater reach.
They have been around longer, and will probably have much longer lifespans.

Artist, true artists, don't care about such things, even avoiding such.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, Bill Gates has even less control than Linus,
and Bill's products are much larger, with a much greater reach.
They have been around longer, and will probably have much longer lifespans.

Really? What 'products' would those be, other than the ones that have be
bought or cribbed?

Post by Jeff_Relf
Artist, true artists, don't care about such things, even avoiding such.

How would you know what artists care about?

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, Bill Gates has even less control than Linus,
and Bill's products are much larger, with a much greater reach.

Bill's products are all wrapped in ego.

And ego always perishes, with the egoist.

Linux/Linus has no ego.

His is the collective.

And so, it lasts.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, More people have been using Micro-Soft's many products for longer,
so they will likely last longer than the Linux kernel.
It's not abbout ego or people voting with their dollars,
it's just about who has been using what and for how long.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, More people have been using Micro-Soft's many products for
longer, so they will likely last longer than the Linux kernel.

Linux kernel b. 1992
M$ NT kernel b. 1992

Post by Jeff_Relf
It's not abbout ego or people voting with their dollars,
it's just about who has been using what and for how long.

Ok.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, you wrote, " Linux kernel b. 1992. M$ NT kernel b. 1992. "

The NT release has had far more Desktop users.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, you wrote, " Linux kernel b. 1992. M$ NT kernel b. 1992. "
The NT release has had far more Desktop users.

Once again, you lose an argument, you change the topic.

First you said "in use longer"; now you say "more desktop users".

At the point that Linux desktop users exceed XP users, you will say "has a 4
color flag, instead of a penguin as logo".

[DFS]

Post by John Bailo

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, More people have been using Micro-Soft's many products for
longer, so they will likely last longer than the Linux kernel.

Linux kernel b. 1992
M$ NT kernel b. 1992

Lest you forget, the NT kernel lives on in Windows 2000 and XP.

Post by John Bailo

Post by Jeff_Relf
It's not abbout ego or people voting with their dollars,
it's just about who has been using what and for how long.

Ok.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Rick ( 13, 3.57 A, A Uni-Berlin.DE, Pan_0_14_2 ),
Re: How VS.NET has a much better genealogy and is better funded,
You asked: << Better genealogy ? What the hell does that mean ?
Better funded ? What does that have to do with anything ? >>
Programmers work harder wher they're paid to work ( as they are at MS )
...and when they know their product will be widely used, as VS is.

How the hell do you know which programmers are working harder than others.
There are people that are paid to work, and do as little as possible.
There are people that put much more effort into their avocations than mot
put into their vocations.

Post by Jeff_Relf
VS' genealogy ( Micro-Soft languages ) goes back to 1976,
...that's a long time. It's time tested.

aha HAH Ahaha HAH Ahahah ahHAHah...
The BASIC Gates helped develop couldn't fill properly, and you are going
to claim quality?
HA ahha HAHAh ahhahah HAHA

Post by Jeff_Relf
You wrote: <<
BTW, have you not figured out that few ( if any, but you )
care about this crap you call X
( which may well infringe trademarks ) or X.CPP ? >>
No shit Sherlock ? !

No, shit Relf.

Post by Jeff_Relf
I discuss what's on my mind... and that means X.

X ??? X???

X Windows? MacOS X ? Bell X-1 ???

Post by Jeff_Relf
X is art... not a commercial product, so in the real world

Your news reader is not art. It violates standards.

Post by Jeff_Relf
( not that fantasy land that you live in ) trademarks don't matter.

Trademarks don't matter? You might want to tell that to all the trademark
and copy right holders in the world... like Linux Torvalds.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, Re: Micro-Soft's 1976 version of Basic,
You wrote: << aha HAH Ahaha HAH Ahahah ahHAHah...
The BASIC Gates helped develop couldn't fill properly,
and you are going to claim quality ?
HA ahha HAHAh ahhahah HAHA >>

I'm surprized you know what a fill is,
But quality is always relative/comparative.
You make no sense ( as usual ) when you fail to make comparisons.

Re: How Micro-Soft has incentivized programmers,
You wrote: <<
How the hell do you know which programmers are working harder than others.
There are people that are paid to work, and do as little as possible.
There are people that put much more effort into their avocations
than most put into their vocations. >>

Nice display of naiveté there Rick.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, Re: Micro-Soft's 1976 version of Basic,
You wrote: << aha HAH Ahaha HAH Ahahah ahHAHah...
The BASIC Gates helped develop couldn't fill properly,
and you are going to claim quality ?
HA ahha HAHAh ahhahah HAHA >>
I'm surprized you know what a fill is,
But quality is always relative/comparative.
You make no sense ( as usual ) when you fail to make comparisons.

You make no sense what so ever.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Re: How Micro-Soft has incentivized programmers,
You wrote: <<
How the hell do you know which programmers are working harder than others.
There are people that are paid to work, and do as little as possible.
There are people that put much more effort into their avocations
than most put into their vocations. >>
Nice display of naiveté there Rick.

No, you show your ignorance of people.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I wrote: << the " Linspire Internet Suite "
is not what I edit with ( thank God ). >>
And you asked: " Yes ? So what ? "
VS.NET is what I'm most familiar with ( from coding )

Have you tried #develop?

http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensource/sd/

The Open Source .NET IDE for Windos?

http://csharp-source.net/

Of course, monodevelop does it well for Linux:

http://www.monodevelop.com

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, You asked me: " Have you tried #develop ? "

That's for C#, I use C++.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
While the Linspire suite is interesting ( I just looked it up )
VS.NET has a much better genealogy and is better funded.

Like a true troll, you come of as having this real life /persona/ -- but
every opinion you express seems to have been written from the typewriter of
a Redmond press release.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, You told me: <<
Like a true troll, you come of as having this real life /persona/
-- but every opinion you express seems to have been
written from the typewriter of a Redmond press release. >>

John, your paranoia is showing though again,
how could you, of all people, doubt that I'm who I say I am.

Take the 150 to the U-District someday and check me out if you want,
( just name a time and a place ) I'm as real as it gets.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Take the 150 to the U-District someday and check me out if you want,
( just name a time and a place ) I'm as real as it gets.

<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Right...how many /safe/

Post by Jeff_Relf

/houses/ in

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>how many /cities/ do you and your


------^^^^^^^******(@!#@)(!@#( Agency set up to troll
COLA ?!?!?

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi John, You told me: << You're a fake >> ... <<
how many /cities/ do you and your @!#@ Agency set up to troll COLA ? ! >>

You're just paranoid John.

[John Bailo]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi John, You told me: << You're a fake >> ... <<
You're just paranoid John.

What's a matter?

Blow your cover? Agent Relf !!!

[Eric Gisse]

Jeff_Relf <***@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<***@Cotse.NET>...

[snip]

Asshat relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted practice in
usenet.

I would send this message to one group but I don't know which one he
reads, because he spams both equally with his idiocy. I would email it
to him, but he doesn't show his email address.

[Johannes Bauer]

Post by Eric Gisse
I would send this message to one group but I don't know which one he
reads, because he spams both equally with his idiocy. I would email it
to him, but he doesn't show his email address.

Then set a Followup-To, you moron!

Greetings,
Johannes

- --
PLEASE verify my signature. Some forging troll is claiming to be me.
My GPG key id is 0xCC727E2E (dated 2004-11-03). You can get it from
wwwkeys.pgp.net, random.sks.keyserver.penguin.de, pgp.dtype.org,
keyserver.kjsl.com and many more.

[Jeff_Relf]

Ha ! The ever brilliant Johannes sends a message to Eric Gisse,
( who only reads Sci.Physics ) by posting to Cola... Just brilliant.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Eric, You wrote: << Asshat relf continues to be
willfully ignorant of accepted practice in usenet.
I would send this message to one group but I don't know which one he reads,
because he spams both equally with his idiocy.
I would email it to him, but he doesn't show his email address. >>

You can address me directly you know, I'm getting your posts.
I'm only reading Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy these days,
I just thought I'd let you Sci.Physics guys know about GuruNet, that's all.

You can e-mail me at ***@JeffRelf.Cotse.NET

[Eric Gisse]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Eric, You wrote: << Asshat relf continues to be
willfully ignorant of accepted practice in usenet.
I would send this message to one group but I don't know which one he reads,
because he spams both equally with his idiocy.
I would email it to him, but he doesn't show his email address. >>
You can address me directly you know, I'm getting your posts.
I'm only reading Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy these days,
I just thought I'd let you Sci.Physics guys know about GuruNet, that's all.

Please stop posting to sci.physics if you have nothing to say ABOUT
physics. All your stuff so far is only related to news readers and
coding stuff - not sci.physics material.

If want to tell sci.physics about gurunet, fine. But you always
crosspost between COLA and sci.physics even when its not about
gurunet.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
Please stop posting to sci.physics if you have nothing to say ABOUT
physics. All your stuff so far is only related to news readers and
coding stuff - not sci.physics material.

If want to tell sci.physics about gurunet, fine. But you always
crosspost between COLA and sci.physics even when its not about gurunet. >>

You'd do better if you just got an ISP and a newsreader,
then, instead of complaining all the time, you could just score people.

Christ,
Google can't even display threads correctly ( by Message-ID, RFC 1036 ).

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
Please stop posting to sci.physics if you have nothing to say ABOUT
physics. All your stuff so far is only related to news readers and
coding stuff - not sci.physics material.
If want to tell sci.physics about gurunet, fine. But you always
crosspost between COLA and sci.physics even when its not about gurunet.
You'd do better if you just got an ISP and a newsreader,
then, instead of complaining all the time, you could just score people.

So *you* post idiotic garbage to unrelated groups and then have the nerve to
place the burden to act on the people there who tell you simply to get lost
because you violate netiquette with each and every one of your trash posts?

Post by Jeff_Relf
Christ,
Google can't even display threads correctly ( by Message-ID, RFC 1036 ).

Your cretins X.CPP is at fault, naturally
Google does just fine

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
Please stop posting to sci.physics if you have nothing to say ABOUT
physics. All your stuff so far is only related to news readers and
coding stuff - not sci.physics material.
If want to tell sci.physics about gurunet, fine. But you always
crosspost between COLA and sci.physics even when its not about gurunet. >>
You'd do better if you just got an ISP and a newsreader,
then, instead of complaining all the time, you could just score people.
Christ,
Google can't even display threads correctly ( by Message-ID, RFC 1036 ).

Translation: You spew your garbage around and then want people to ignore
it.

[Eric Gisse]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
Please stop posting to sci.physics if you have nothing to say ABOUT
physics. All your stuff so far is only related to news readers and
coding stuff - not sci.physics material.
If want to tell sci.physics about gurunet, fine. But you always
crosspost between COLA and sci.physics even when its not about gurunet. >>
You'd do better if you just got an ISP and a newsreader,
then, instead of complaining all the time, you could just score people.
Christ,
Google can't even display threads correctly ( by Message-ID, RFC 1036 ).

So...

It appears you are saying that even though you are causing the
problem, the burden is on me to change my system so that your stuff
does not show up?

If you have such a hardon for RFCs, why don't you go read the
sci.physics charter and figure out why what you are doing violates it?
Or do I have to d that for you too?

Hey, your piece of shit reader is still breaking threads. You know it
fucks up the the standard settings on at least TWO popular news
readers [Agent, Google groups] yet you continue to do it. WHY?

I remove sci.physics from the headers, you put it back in. WHY?

[Mark Martin]

Post by Eric Gisse
So...
It appears you are saying that even though you are causing the
problem, the burden is on me to change my system so that your stuff
does not show up?
If you have such a hardon for RFCs, why don't you go read the
sci.physics charter and figure out why what you are doing violates it?
Or do I have to d that for you too?
Hey, your piece of shit reader is still breaking threads. You know it
fucks up the the standard settings on at least TWO popular news
readers [Agent, Google groups] yet you continue to do it. WHY?
I remove sci.physics from the headers, you put it back in. WHY?

It's all Jeffie's standard mode of operation. His philosophy?:
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole.

-Mark Martin

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Mark and Eric ( two guys who won't/can't use an ISP or a newsreader ),

Mark wrote: <<
It's all Jeffie's standard mode of operation. His philosophy ? :
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole. >>

I'm doing fine, peachy keen.

I told you two to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header.

Until you do that, you'll be unable to track replies to yourself and others,
and you'll be unable to control the volume ( score ) on posters.

I know you two won't take my advice, so enjoy your misery.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark and Eric ( two guys who won't/can't use an ISP or a newsreader ),
Mark wrote: <<
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole. >>
I'm doing fine, peachy keen.
I told you two to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header.
Until you do that, you'll be unable to track replies to yourself and others,
and you'll be unable to control the volume ( score ) on posters.
I know you two won't take my advice, so enjoy your misery.

Translation; people should do things your way, even though no one else
does, and your way violates accepted standards.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, I told Eric and Mark: <<
to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header. >>

And you commented: <<
Translation; people should do things your way,
even though no one else does,
and your way violates accepted standards. >>

Google is the only one violating RFCs.

Agent has an option to " Make title changes new threads ",
idiots who check that box get exactly what they desrve.

Don't blame me if they refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, I told Eric and Mark: <<
to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header. >>
And you commented: <<
Translation; people should do things your way,
even though no one else does,
and your way violates accepted standards. >>
Google is the only one violating RFCs.
Agent has an option to " Make title changes new threads ",
idiots who check that box get exactly what they desrve.
Don't blame me if they refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

I blame you for not taking reponsiblility for yours.

[Mark Martin]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark and Eric ( two guys who won't/can't use an ISP or a newsreader ),
Mark wrote: <<
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole. >>
I'm doing fine, peachy keen.

As ALWAYS- you evade what your antagonists point out. Are you doing
peachy-keen? Yeah, you are. But the point wasn't whether or not you're
holding your own. Point is that you do fine by being a parasite, then
have the big hairy arrogant balls to tell others (You know, the ones
who're making your lifestyle possible?) to go to hell.

As I've pointed out several times to you, your chosen lifestyle is
made possible ONLY by the flow of everyone else's money. And since the
economy can afford to support only a negligible number of freeloaders,
it means that you choose to enjoy a life of PRIVELEDGE. You are an
elitist.

Post by Jeff_Relf
I told you two to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header.

Ohhhhh- you TOLD me! Fact is, idjut, that nothing I ever have to
say is relavant to which news service I use. I don't want to filter
out assholes. I want them to be plain in sight. Unlike you, I don't
prefer to insulate myself from life itself. And besides, I notice that
time & again you seem to read my articles just fine. Haven't you been
filtering me out? What a hypocrite.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Until you do that, you'll be unable to track replies to yourself and others,
and you'll be unable to control the volume ( score ) on posters.
I know you two won't take my advice, so enjoy your misery.

You're so stoopid. Google causes me no problems.

-Mark Martin

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Mike, You told me: << nothing I ever have to say
is relavant to which news service I use. >>

Google can't thread properly.

How did you even detect that I had replied to you ?
You're using a regular newsreader for that aren't you ?
And you're mearly using Google to hide your true idenity,
...that figures, your delusions include paranoia.

You told me: << I don't want to filter out assholes.
I want them to be plain in sight.
Unlike you, I don't prefer to insulate myself from life itself.
And besides, I notice that time & again
you seem to read my articles just fine.
Haven't you been filtering me out ? What a hypocrite. >>

X.CPP's Cola.TXT has the full-text of Cola's last 2,000 messages:
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Cola.TXT

I place direct and indirect ( up to five levels away ) replies to me
at the top of that file... other than that I don't score anything.

The difference is that you don't find me complaining about spamers.

Re: This comment of mine: " I'm doing fine, peachy keen. "

You replied: <<
As ALWAYS- you evade what your antagonists point out.
Are you doing peachy-keen ? Yeah, you are.
But the point wasn't whether or not you're holding your own.
Point is that you do fine by being a parasite,
then have the big hairy arrogant balls to tell others
( You know, the ones who're making your lifestyle possible ? )
to go to hell. >>

So now your delusions extend to imagining that you make my lifestyle possible.
Somehow I think I'd do fine without you.

You wrote: <<
As I've pointed out several times to you,
your chosen lifestyle is made possible ONLY
by the flow of everyone else's money.
And since the economy can afford to support
only a negligible number of freeloaders,
it means that you choose to enjoy a life of PRIVELEDGE.
You are an elitist. >>

I get food stamps, not gold bars you moron.
My income is low because I, quite unlike you,
find myself able to Control my consumption rate.
( and because my time is worth more than what I'd get paid )

So, naturally, you blame me for this fault of yours.

Stop complaining and start taking control of Your life.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mike, You told me: << nothing I ever have to say
is relavant to which news service I use. >>
Google can't thread properly.

Please provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim.

Post by Jeff_Relf
How did you even detect that I had replied to you ?
You're using a regular newsreader for that aren't you ?
And you're mearly using Google to hide your true idenity,

You are claiming psychic powers now?

Post by Jeff_Relf
...that figures, your delusions include paranoia.

That's funny, coming from your deranged 'mind'.

Post by Jeff_Relf
You told me: << I don't want to filter out assholes.
I want them to be plain in sight.
Unlike you, I don't prefer to insulate myself from life itself.
And besides, I notice that time & again
you seem to read my articles just fine.
Haven't you been filtering me out ? What a hypocrite. >>
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Cola.TXT
I place direct and indirect ( up to five levels away ) replies to me
at the top of that file... other than that I don't score anything.
The difference is that you don't find me complaining about spamers.

You're a liar. You call me a spammer (wrong, of course), and bitch at me.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Re: This comment of mine: " I'm doing fine, peachy keen. "
You replied: <<
As ALWAYS- you evade what your antagonists point out.
Are you doing peachy-keen ? Yeah, you are.
But the point wasn't whether or not you're holding your own.
Point is that you do fine by being a parasite,
then have the big hairy arrogant balls to tell others
( You know, the ones who're making your lifestyle possible ? )
to go to hell. >>
So now your delusions extend to imagining that you make my lifestyle possible.
Somehow I think I'd do fine without you.

You wouldn't be doing fine without your welfare dole, and that's what he
was talking about.

Post by Jeff_Relf
You wrote: <<
As I've pointed out several times to you,
your chosen lifestyle is made possible ONLY
by the flow of everyone else's money.
And since the economy can afford to support
only a negligible number of freeloaders,
it means that you choose to enjoy a life of PRIVELEDGE.
You are an elitist. >>
I get food stamps, not gold bars you moron.

That's right. You deceitfully get food stamps, you moron.

Post by Jeff_Relf
My income is low because I, quite unlike you,
find myself able to Control my consumption rate.
( and because my time is worth more than what I'd get paid )

Then you should be able to get of food stamps.

Post by Jeff_Relf
So, naturally, you blame me for this fault of yours.

No, we blame you for your faults.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Stop complaining and start taking control of Your life.

Stop leeching from those of us that actually work.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, Re: How I don't complain about spammers,

You replied: << You're a liar.
You call me a spammer ( wrong, of course ), and bitch at me. >>

You were complaining about my handcrafted quoting
...all the while copying in old threads.
I called that spam, it wasn't a complaint
because it was in answer to your inquiries about my quoting style.

Re: Google not threading properly,

You asked me: " Please provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim. "

I've addressed this many times before, see: news:***@Cotse.NET

Re: Mark having nothing to do with my food stamps,

You wrote: <<
You wouldn't be doing fine without your welfare dole,
and that's what he was talking about. >>

I would be doing fine without them,
and neither you nor Mark have anything to do with whether I get them or not.

Again, you repeated this lie: <<
You deceitfully get food stamps, you moron. >>

What deceit ? I've shown nothing but honesty.
Washington State residents with low enough incomes
are entitled to foodstamps.

You wrote, " Stop leeching from those of us that actually work. "

I have nothing to do with the taxes you pay, nothing at all.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, Re: How I don't complain about spammers,
You replied: << You're a liar.
You call me a spammer ( wrong, of course ), and bitch at me. >>
You were complaining about my handcrafted quoting
...all the while copying in old threads.
I called that spam, it wasn't a complaint
because it was in answer to your inquiries about my quoting style.

I didn't ask you about your quoting style. I didn't ask about spam. I said
your output is crap.

Uh huh. You words:
****************************************
From: Jeff_Relf (***@Privacy.NET)
Subject: Re: Just ask the question again.

View this article only
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2004-11-13 03:48:05 PST

Hi Pete, I told Rick to: << Just ask the question again,
don't spam me with the entire thread. >>

And you joked: " He already did. You snipped it again. "

I wanted it in his own words, obviously, not regurgitated articles.

Christ Pete, you are dense. Are you Rick's sock ?
******************************************************

From: Jeff_Relf (***@Privacy.NET)
Subject: Re: WinXP's GuruNet vs. Moz's Hot Words.

View this article only
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: 2004-11-12 03:56:02 PST

Hi Rick, I use GuruNet from within Visual Studio.NET,
the " Linspire Internet Suite " ( whatever that is ),
is not what I edit with ( thank God ).

As for my quoting style,
I find it much more intelligent than your mechanized spam.

**********************************************************

Post by Jeff_Relf
Re: Google not threading properly,
You asked me: " Please provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim. "

No, you provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Re: Mark having nothing to do with my food stamps,
You wrote: <<
You wouldn't be doing fine without your welfare dole,
and that's what he was talking about. >>
I would be doing fine without them,

Then do without them.

Post by Jeff_Relf
and neither you nor Mark have anything to do with whether I get them or not.

Unfortunately, that is true. However, if I were in Seattle, I might be
interested enough to look into welfare fraud laws there.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Again, you repeated this lie: <<
You deceitfully get food stamps, you moron. >>
What deceit ? I've shown nothing but honesty. Washington State
residents with low enough incomes are entitled to foodstamps.

Get a job. You can work. Welfare is for people that cannot obtain work for
a variety of reasons. Laziness is not one of them.

Post by Jeff_Relf
You wrote, " Stop leeching from those of us that actually work. "
I have nothing to do with the taxes you pay, nothing at all.

Yes, it does. Federal funds support state welfare funds.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, Re: Google's violation of RFC 1036,
incorrectly threading by the Subject header
instead of the References header, as I've outlined so many times before, see: news:***@Cotse.NET

You replied: <<
No, you provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim. >>

I gave you the link: news:***@Cotse.NET
now go there, you mindless piece of crap.

I wrote: << I have nothing to do with the taxes you pay, nothing at all. >>

And you, displaying your usual vacuity, wrote: <<
Yes, it does. Federal funds support state welfare funds. >>

I have nothing to do with what Federal taxes you pay either,
you fucking moron.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, Re: Google's violation of RFC 1036,
incorrectly threading by the Subject header
You replied: <<
No, you provide the RFC and quote that documents your claim. >>
now go there, you mindless piece of crap.

First, that is a Message-ID and not a link.
Second, nowhere in that message is there any reference that says RFC 1036
says anything about sorting by Message-ID.

Post by Jeff_Relf
I wrote: << I have nothing to do with the taxes you pay, nothing at all. >>
And you, displaying your usual vacuity, wrote: <<
Yes, it does. Federal funds support state welfare funds. >>
I have nothing to do with what Federal taxes you pay either,
you fucking moron.

You show your incredible ignorance. I pay Federal income taxes.
Some Federal monies, funded by Federal income taxes, go to the states, and
some of that is used in state welfare programs.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Rick, You wrote: " that is a Message-ID and not a link. "

Stardard newsreaders make MIDs links when they're prefaced with news: ,
if your newsreader won't do that then just paste it into Google.

You wrote: << nowhere in that message is there any reference that says
RFC 1036 says anything about sorting by Message-ID. >>

Although you are probably too ineducable to reallize this,
Google violates of RFC 1036 ( quoted below )
by omitting the References header when a title changes: <<
2.2.5. References
This field lists the Message-ID's of any messages prompting the
submission of this message. >> ... <<
If the original message does have a " References "
line, the follow-up message should have a " References " line
containing the text of the original " References " line,
a blank, and the Message-ID of the original message. >>
__ http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1036.html

Combine the above with this from son of RFC 1036: <<
If the poster determines that
the topic of the followup differs significantly
from what is described in the subject,
a new, more descriptive, subject SHOULD be substituted
( With No Back Reference ). >> ^^^^^^
^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
__ http://www.usenet-fr.net/fr-chartes/son-of-rfc1036.2.html

Where the term, " back reference " is defined as
the " Re: " tag at the start of a title,
...Not the References: line in the headers.

Thus one finds that Google violates RFC 1036
by mandating something more akin to this: <<
Because the title of a message MUST define the thread,
One MUST use " Re: " at the start of a title,
...Otherwise we MUST delete the References line. >>

You wrote: << I pay Federal income taxes.
Some Federal monies, funded by Federal income taxes, go to the states,
and some of that is used in state welfare programs. >>

So what ? I have exactly nothing to do with that.
No incluence at all.

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Rick, You wrote: " that is a Message-ID and not a link. "
Stardard newsreaders make MIDs links when they're prefaced with news: ,
if your newsreader won't do that then just paste it into Google.
You wrote: << nowhere in that message is there any reference that says
RFC 1036 says anything about sorting by Message-ID. >>
Although you are probably too ineducable to reallize this,
Google violates of RFC 1036 ( quoted below )
by omitting the References header when a title changes: <<
2.2.5. References

(Relf Rant snipped)

AGAIN .. nothing is said about sorting by Message-ID.

Post by Jeff_Relf
You wrote: << I pay Federal income taxes.
Some Federal monies, funded by Federal income taxes, go to the states,
and some of that is used in state welfare programs. >>
So what ? I have exactly nothing to do with that.
No incluence at all.

Yes, you do. Stop taking my tax dollars.

[Eric Gisse]

Jeff_Relf <***@Privacy.NET> wrote in message news:<***@Cotse.NET>...

[snip]

You are the problem and you do not see it. I believe that is called
being narsicisstic.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=7d087978.0411132004.36b0e4d2%40posting.google.com

[Rick]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark and Eric ( two guys who won't/can't use an ISP or a newsreader ),
Mark wrote: <<
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole. >>
I'm doing fine, peachy keen.
I told you two to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header.

You may now show where RFC 1036 says messages are supposed to sort using
Message-ID.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Until you do that, you'll be unable to track replies to yourself and others,
and you'll be unable to control the volume ( score ) on posters.
I know you two won't take my advice, so enjoy your misery.

Misery? That's you looking into a mirror.

[Eric Gisse]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark and Eric ( two guys who won't/can't use an ISP or a newsreader ),
Mark wrote: <<
Everything is someone else's responsibility, not his. Even his own
decisions are others' to deal with. It's his whole lifestyle. He has
two kids, and then lets others raise them in his absence. He piddles
about all day, then let's taxpayers feed him with foodstamps, even
though he claims to have a perfectly marketable job skill that could
support him off the public dole. >>
I'm doing fine, peachy keen.
I told you two to stop complaining and start taking charge
by getting and using a decent newsreader that follows RFC 1036
...one that threads by the Message-IDs in the References header,
not the Subject header.

No amount of newsreader changes will change the fact you keep posting
to sci.physics and refuse to stop.

Your inability to chane your behaviour when it is obvious that it
causes a problem for others is the key issue here.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Until you do that, you'll be unable to track replies to yourself and others,
and you'll be unable to control the volume ( score ) on posters.
I know you two won't take my advice, so enjoy your misery.

The moment you stop posting to sci.physics is the moment I stop having
a problem with you.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
I remove sci.physics from the headers, you put it back in. WHY ? >>

Ah, so you can read my reply maybe ?

Why are you asking me questions and then getting upset when I answer them ? !

I know you don't read Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy .

[Uncle Al]

Jeff_Relf wrote:
[snip crap]


http://www.freefarts.com/farts.html
Move cursor over blinkers to hear Jeff_Relf lecture.

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>

http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>

[Eric Gisse]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Eric, You wrote: <<
I remove sci.physics from the headers, you put it back in. WHY ? >>
Ah, so you can read my reply maybe ?

If I want to read your stuff, I would read COLA. I don't. I want it to
go away.

Post by Jeff_Relf
Why are you asking me questions and then getting upset when I answer them ? !
I know you don't read Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy .

Do you still continue to not understand why I take offense to your
crap being put in sci.physics? You have NO knowledge of physics, you
have NO interest in physics, and you say NOTHING related to physics
yet you your irrelevant bullshit to sci.physics on a constant basis
even though plenty of posters tell you to stop.

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

Post by Eric Gisse

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi fsegg_uaf_edu ( Fairbanks, _CgjNVW B Google.COM, . ),
You wrote: <<
Stupid relf.
Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics ? >>
Relax Eric, and ask Ha Ha Hanson if you need any help navigating Usenet
( or life, for that matter ).
Linux, newsreaders and physics are Background topics, I say.

Stupid relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted nettiquite.
Why do you continue posting IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT to sci.physics?

It's his way of feeling important. He figures, the more people he can
annoy with his pathetic crap, the more important he must be.

The sad part is, nobody really takes him seriously enough to be really
annoyed; he's more like a mosquito - you kinda wish it would go away, but
if it doesn't, you just give it a smack and ignore it.

[Barry Jones]

Post by Kelsey Bjarnason

Post by Eric Gisse

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi fsegg_uaf_edu ( Fairbanks, _CgjNVW B Google.COM, . ),
You wrote: <<
Stupid relf.
Why do you continue to post non-physics content to sci.physics ? >>
Relax Eric, and ask Ha Ha Hanson if you need any help navigating Usenet
( or life, for that matter ).
Linux, newsreaders and physics are Background topics, I say.

Stupid relf continues to be willfully ignorant of accepted nettiquite.
Why do you continue posting IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT to sci.physics?

It's his way of feeling important. He figures, the more people he can
annoy with his pathetic crap, the more important he must be.
The sad part is, nobody really takes him seriously enough to be really
annoyed; he's more like a mosquito - you kinda wish it would go away, but
if it doesn't, you just give it a smack and ignore it.

<smack>

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Kelsey ( Shaw.CA, Pan ),
Re: My posts on the very useful and free GuruNet dictionary/encyclopedia
[ where, contrary to their directions, you need to highlight the word(s)
( in any app ) and ctrl-Middle-Click has fewer conficts than Alt-Click ],

You told Eric Gisse: <<
It's his way of feeling important.
He figures, the more people he can annoy with his pathetic crap,
the more important he must be. The sad part is,
nobody really takes him seriously enough to be really annoyed;
he's more like a mosquito - you kinda wish it would go away,
but if it doesn't, you just give it a smack and ignore it. >>

Speaking of news you can use...
I changed the format of the abbreviated headers shown in Cola.TXT:
( Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, I also shortened the example file to 40 KB
http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Cola.TXT )

The title and salutation lines now adjoin the main body.
I also made X.CPP's outgoing e-mails/posts use a similar format,
allowing me edit as I read, turning what I'm reading into posts,
like this:

Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy, News.Software.Readers, Sci.Physics
***@xxnospamyy.lightspeed.bc.ca
***@posting.google.com
***@Cotse.NET
***@posting.google.com
***@Cotse.NET .
Speaking of news you can use...
Hi Kelsey ( Shaw.CA, Pan ),
Re: My posts on the very useful and free GuruNet dictionary/encyclopedia

[Uncle Al]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Kelsey ( Shaw.CA, Pan ),
Re: My posts on the very useful

Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis
are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the contrary. You
are not even an interesting laughingstock.

Loading Image...
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>

http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>

[John Bailo]

Post by Uncle Al
Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis
are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the contrary. You
are not even an interesting laughingstock.

Right, spoken by a Fool, to a Fool.

I pity the both of you.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Uncle Al, ( Cox.NET, Moz ),
Re: My posts about GuruNet and X.CPP,

You commented: <<
Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence,
and psychosis are not of interest to the world at large.
Quite the contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock. >>

Usenet is like a giant party-line,
only with nobs that allow you to control each person's volume.

I suggest you learn how to use those nobs.

[Mark Martin]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Uncle Al, ( Cox.NET, Moz ),
Re: My posts about GuruNet and X.CPP,
You commented: <<
Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence,
and psychosis are not of interest to the world at large.
Quite the contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock. >>
Usenet is like a giant party-line,
only with nobs that allow you to control each person's volume.
I suggest you learn how to use those nobs.

*snicker* "Knobs"

-Mark Martin

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Mark ( Googler ), I told Uncle Al: <<
Usenet is like a giant party-line,
only with nobs that allow you to control each person's volume.
I suggest you learn how to use those nobs. >>

And you said: << *snicker* "Knobs" >>

Of course nob is also slang for head, so the word still applies, use your nob.

[MartinS]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark ( Googler ), I told Uncle Al: <<
Usenet is like a giant party-line,
only with nobs that allow you to control each person's volume.
I suggest you learn how to use those nobs. >>
And you said: << *snicker* "Knobs" >>
Of course nob is also slang for head, so the word still applies, use your nob.

It's also a word for a rich or influential person (from nobility?),
hence Nob Hill in San Francisco.

In Pennsylvania, "knob" means hill, hence Gobbler's Knob, Purple Knob,
etc. A "run" is a stream or creek.

[Mark Martin]

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Mark ( Googler ), I told Uncle Al: <<
Usenet is like a giant party-line,
only with nobs that allow you to control each person's volume.
I suggest you learn how to use those nobs. >>
And you said: << *snicker* "Knobs" >>
Of course nob is also slang for head, so the word still applies, use your nob.

You are quite the revisionist. Perhaps you also -*ahem*- make
astrological predictions, and then cook the records later to make the
prediction fit the data.

-Mark Martin

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Uncle Al
<***@hate.spam.net>
wrote
on Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:27:04 -0800

Post by Uncle Al

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Kelsey ( Shaw.CA, Pan ),
Re: My posts on the very useful

Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis
are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the contrary. You
are not even an interesting laughingstock.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>

Oh, I dunno; I find him mildly interesting, if only because his
code is perfect to indicate what *not* to do in a development
project. :-) There's also the challenge of decoding it to something
that's at least vaguely readable.

I'll have to find it, for example, but at one point I had "30 methods
on making a software project unmanageable" or some such. Code
incomprehensibility is a big, erm, plus in accomplishing that.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Spooky, You told Uncle Al: << ...at one point I had
" 30 methods on making a software project unmanageable " or some such.
Code incomprehensibility is a big, erm, plus in accomplishing that. >>

No one chides the Washington Post for it's lack of comics or whitespace,
...some things simply Must be complex, code is one of those things.
e.g. Take a look at this screen shot of X.CPP in my Visual Studio.NET:
Loading Image...

If someone in one of these newsgroups actually wanted to understand my code
he wouldn've compiled it, asked me honest questions, tested it, etc.

I wrote and am writing all of X.CPP and I'm right here answering questions.
You can't get any better documentation than that.

[Hamilcar Barca]

Post by Uncle Al

Post by Jeff_Relf
Hi Kelsey ( Shaw.CA, Pan ),
Re: My posts on the very useful

Fucking imbecile troll. Your ignorance, incompetence, and psychosis
are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the contrary. You
are not even an interesting laughingstock.

We're so sorry, Uncle Albert.