Anime on YTV? Who'da thunk it??

[Phyrie]

Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on YTV. The
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at it.
I assumed it was all kids stuff. Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not, but
I'm willing to try it all right now.
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened to see
a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up more a
fantasy/legends type of girl.
Phyrie

[Cyde Weys]

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection
today, I thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any
anime. Well, slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen
episodes of Teen Titans, Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and
Zatch Bell! On later today is Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal
Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders, Beast Machines, Ghost in the
Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack, Naruto, Transformers
Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and Beyblade. Whew!
Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but I am
totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on
YTV. The Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered
to look at it. I assumed it was all kids stuff. Sheesh. Right now
I'm watching a one hour recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's
supposed to be good or not, but I'm willing to try it all right now.
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened
to see a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up
more a fantasy/legends type of girl.

AHAHAHAH!!! I knew Phyrie was female! Despire everyone calling her "him".
Phewww, my genderdar is not out of whack.

Just some warnings, not everything you mentioned is anime. Samurai Jack,
although it looks a lot like anime, is actually "Americamation" (haha what
a terrible word). And Teen Titans, although it is farmed out to Asia for
the animation, is made explicitly with an American audience in mind. And
anyway, DC superheroes can't possibly be anime. Nothing that you mentioned
is really mecha except for Gundam Seed. But then again, Gundam Seed is
sort of juvenile mecha. There's definitely adult mecha out there, like
Neon Genesis Evangelion.

And yeah, you're starting to watch anime at a very fortuitous time. A lot
of us started back when it was still underground and it really wasn't
available on TV. Now it's on TV all the time.

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Cyde Weys
AHAHAHAH!!! I knew Phyrie was female! Despire everyone calling her "him".
Phewww, my genderdar is not out of whack.

Well, considering she made multiple allusions to having a husband, it was a
safe assumption.

And what "everyone"? Pete was the only one stupid enough to miss the obvious
clues...

[Cyde Weys]

Post by Cyde Weys

Post by Cyde Weys
AHAHAHAH!!! I knew Phyrie was female! Despire everyone calling her

"him".

Post by Cyde Weys
Phewww, my genderdar is not out of whack.

Well, considering she made multiple allusions to having a husband, it
was a safe assumption.
And what "everyone"? Pete was the only one stupid enough to miss the
obvious clues...

I'm referring to awhile ago when she first posted and she hadn't said
anything about a husband.

[Jack Bohn]

Post by Cyde Weys
And Teen Titans, although it is farmed out to Asia for
the animation, is made explicitly with an American audience in mind. And
anyway, DC superheroes can't possibly be anime.

...but Marvel's Spider-Man can be!

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,

Which isn't anime...

Post by Phyrie
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,

Samurai Jack and Beast Machines also are not anime...

Post by Phyrie
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to

me > (as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time.

Amazing, isn't it?

Post by Phyrie
I NEVER turn on YTV.

Well, you will now :)

The

Post by Phyrie
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at it.
I assumed it was all kids stuff.

Errr...a lot of those very much ARE kids' stuff. In fact, B-Daman and
Beyblade exist for no other reason than to sell very lame toys. :P

Post by Phyrie
Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not, but
I'm willing to try it all right now.

Zatch Bell is a kiddie anime, but some people like it...it's a little bit
too kiddy for most, though.

Post by Phyrie
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened to see
a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up more a
fantasy/legends type of girl.

Nothin' wrong with that.

[Phyrie]

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Phyrie
I assumed it was all kids stuff.

*snip*

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Errr...a lot of those very much ARE kids' stuff. In fact, B-Daman and
Beyblade exist for no other reason than to sell very lame toys. :P

What I meant by kiddie stuff was more in the line of SpongeBob, Sesame
Street kind of thing. I've known that Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and Cardcaptor
Whosit were on those channels, but I always assumed they were also half hour
commericals for kid's products, so I never looked at 'em, for the same
reason I didn't buy my daughter a Cabbage Patch doll. I HATE being told
what to buy by knocking me over the head.
I think my orginally posted movie list shows I'm not averse to children's
programming, but I am looking forward to discovering more adult pleasures as
well.

Phyrie

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Errr...a lot of those very much ARE kids' stuff. In fact, B-Daman and
Beyblade exist for no other reason than to sell very lame toys. :P

What I meant by kiddie stuff was more in the line of SpongeBob, Sesame
Street kind of thing.

If I had kids, they would NOT be allowed to watch Spongebutt Queerpants. I'd
far prefer them watching something with some actual value to it.

Like South Park. :P

Post by Phyrie
I've known that Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and Cardcaptor
Whosit were on those channels

Point of note: DO NOT watch the dub of Cardcaptor Sakura. EVER. It is the
most horrific and criminal thing ever done to any anime series EVAR. If you
decide to check it out at any point, PLEASE rent/buy the subtitled DVDs.

Or you'll make Sakura-chan cry.

Post by Phyrie
, but I always assumed they were also half hour
commericals for kid's products, so I never looked at 'em

Pokemon IS a half-hour commercial for the Pokemon games, toys, and TCG.
Yugioh IS a half-hour commercial for the TCG.
Cardcaptor Sakura is NOT a half-hour commercial for ANYTHING. Not in its
true form, at any rate.

Post by Phyrie
, for the same
reason I didn't buy my daughter a Cabbage Patch doll. I HATE being told
what to buy by knocking me over the head.

Fair enough. :) Just note that "Battle B-Daman" and "Beyblade" ARE half-hour
toy commercials.

Post by Phyrie
I think my orginally posted movie list shows I'm not averse to children's
programming, but I am looking forward to discovering more adult pleasures as
well.

I'm not saying you should have anything against childrens' programming.
Hell, I enjoy a lot of "childrens' programming" myself, though a lot of it,
I question the wisdom of exposing children to it.

I'm just pointing out which ones you listed ARE, in fact, childrens'
programming, and further which ones are half-hour toy commercials. :P

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today,

I

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Post by Phyrie
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,

Samurai Jack and Beast Machines also are not anime...

As is Shadow Raiders aka War Planets.
And some would say the Transformers Cybertron too.

Laters. =)

STan
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Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Phyrie
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,

Samurai Jack and Beast Machines also are not anime...

As is Shadow Raiders aka War Planets.

I *thought* Shadow Raiders sounded like the Canadian title of War Planets,
but wasn't sure.

Post by S.t.A.n.L.e.E
And some would say the Transformers Cybertron too.

Uh...no. TF: Cybertron *IS* anime. Dub version of Transformers Galaxy Force,
produced by Gonzo last year--you know, the same people who did Last Exile,
Full Metal Panic, Kiddy Grade, etc.?

Sure, it's a half-hour toy commercial, but stands alone by itself as a
fairly decent piece of animation, especially in the original Japanese
version without the really stupid accents.

o/~We Just Call You TORANSUFOOMAAAAAAAA! TORANSUFOOOOMAAAAAAAA! Ride On!
o/~

[S.t.A.n.L.e.E]

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Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Phyrie
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today

is

Post by S.t.A.n.L.e.E

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Phyrie
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow

Raiders,

Post by S.t.A.n.L.e.E

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Phyrie
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,

Samurai Jack and Beast Machines also are not anime...

As is Shadow Raiders aka War Planets.

I *thought* Shadow Raiders sounded like the Canadian title of War Planets,
but wasn't sure.

Post by S.t.A.n.L.e.E
And some would say the Transformers Cybertron too.

Uh...no. TF: Cybertron *IS* anime. Dub version of Transformers Galaxy Force,
produced by Gonzo last year--you know, the same people who did Last Exile,
Full Metal Panic, Kiddy Grade, etc.?

Yeah, but some people think it's really intended for the NA market
where Transformers is more popular and an icon. ^_^
(Which NA toy company owns and funds the TF series anyways?)

Laters. =)

STan
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Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uh...no. TF: Cybertron *IS* anime. Dub version of Transformers Galaxy Force,
produced by Gonzo last year--you know, the same people who did Last Exile,
Full Metal Panic, Kiddy Grade, etc.?

Yeah, but some people think it's really intended for the NA market
where Transformers is more popular and an icon. ^_^

Except it's NOT, because Transformers is VASTLY more popular and iconic in
Japan. ^_^

Post by S.t.A.n.L.e.E
(Which NA toy company owns and funds the TF series anyways?)

Uh...actually, Takara owns and funds the Transformers series. :P

Well, they did until the merger with Tomy, anyway.

For the past several years, the pattern has been for the Japanese TF line
*and* accompanying anime to come out first, and for Hasbro to port both over
to North America with minor cosmetic changes.

See, this has been the cycle:

The original Transformers toys: Designed by Takara as "Diaclone".

The "Transformers" brand license and the redecos of the Diaclone toys, as
well as the cartoon which made the whole thing popular: Hasbro.

Years pass, Hasbro stops marketing the line, Takara continues to do so,
several new anime which never aired outside of Japan appear.

A few more years pass, and Hasbro resurrects the line with the Beast Wars
franchise. The CGI animated series is made, and both the toys and the
animation are exported to Japan.

Takara picks up the ball and runs with it, and releases a new line of Beast
Wars toys NOT seen in the US, along with two Beast Wars anime series.

Hasbro manages to kill the franchise with Beast Machines.

A few more years pass.

Takara resurrects the Transformers line and brand name with Transformers Car
Robots, the toys and anime of which were ported over by Hasbro as
Transformers: Robots In Disguise.

From that point on, Takara has basically controlled the entire ball game,
creating their toy line, which Hasbro imports, and sponsoring the anime
series, which are also imported by Hasbro.

Right now we seem to be in for a bit of a slow stretch, with no completely
new line for a bit and staggered releases with more redecos than new molds
as the Takara/Tomy merger settles down. The biggest news in Transformers
fandom at the moment is the release of Primus in the TF:Galaxy Force line
(at a hefty price point), as well as the news that the next Masterpiece
grade figure will be Starscream.

[Roger A. Young]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:02:57 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today,

I

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Uhhmm... point here, Teen Titans or at least the ones on YTV Are in fact
anime. Produced in Japan. Enjoyed by the Japanese. Just because it is
based on characters from DC comics doesn't make it not anime. To you I
ask, what about the show makes it not anime, aside from the title and it
being based on an American comic book series?

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,

Samurai Jack and Beast Machines also are not anime...

Post by Phyrie
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM,

but

Post by Phyrie
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to

me > (as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time.
Amazing, isn't it?

Post by Phyrie
I NEVER turn on YTV.

Well, you will now :)
The

Post by Phyrie
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at

it.

Post by Phyrie
I assumed it was all kids stuff.

Errr...a lot of those very much ARE kids' stuff. In fact, B-Daman and
Beyblade exist for no other reason than to sell very lame toys. :P

Post by Phyrie
Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not,

but

Post by Phyrie
I'm willing to try it all right now.

Zatch Bell is a kiddie anime, but some people like it...it's a little bit
too kiddy for most, though.

Post by Phyrie
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened to

see

Post by Phyrie
a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up more a
fantasy/legends type of girl.

Nothin' wrong with that.

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime.

Well,

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Uhhmm... point here, Teen Titans or at least the ones on YTV Are in fact
anime. Produced in Japan. Enjoyed by the Japanese. Just because it is
based on characters from DC comics doesn't make it not anime. To you I
ask, what about the show makes it not anime, aside from the title and it
being based on an American comic book series?

Putting aside the fact that you're talking out of your ass, Teen Titans is
an *American-produced series* based on an *AMERICAN comic book property*.
Therefore, no matter what country it's actually animated in, it is *NOT
ANIME* by the definition used for the purposes of THIS discussion group, any
more than Batman: The Animated Series was (and B:tAS was produced by Tokyo
Movie Shinsha. Oooo.)

Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells like
anime, but it isn't.

[Abraham Evangelista]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:27:10 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime.

Well,

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Uhhmm... point here, Teen Titans or at least the ones on YTV Are in fact
anime. Produced in Japan. Enjoyed by the Japanese. Just because it is
based on characters from DC comics doesn't make it not anime. To you I
ask, what about the show makes it not anime, aside from the title and it
being based on an American comic book series?

Putting aside the fact that you're talking out of your ass, Teen Titans is
an *American-produced series* based on an *AMERICAN comic book property*.
Therefore, no matter what country it's actually animated in, it is *NOT
ANIME* by the definition used for the purposes of THIS discussion group, any
more than Batman: The Animated Series was (and B:tAS was produced by Tokyo
Movie Shinsha. Oooo.)
Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells like
anime, but it isn't.

Curious... Do you think of the upcoming "Witchblade" as anime, or not
anime?
--
"Oh no! look over there! How did a Chupacabra get into the house? Quick! Hide all the goats!" - Lisa, Girl's Bravo, English Dub
Abraham Evangelista

[Roger A. Young]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:40:28 GMT, Abraham Evangelista

Post by Abraham Evangelista
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:27:10 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime.

Well,

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Uhhmm... point here, Teen Titans or at least the ones on YTV Are in fact
anime. Produced in Japan. Enjoyed by the Japanese. Just because it is
based on characters from DC comics doesn't make it not anime. To you I
ask, what about the show makes it not anime, aside from the title and it
being based on an American comic book series?

Putting aside the fact that you're talking out of your ass, Teen Titans is
an *American-produced series* based on an *AMERICAN comic book property*.
Therefore, no matter what country it's actually animated in, it is *NOT
ANIME* by the definition used for the purposes of THIS discussion group, any
more than Batman: The Animated Series was (and B:tAS was produced by Tokyo
Movie Shinsha. Oooo.)
Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells like
anime, but it isn't.

Curious... Do you think of the upcoming "Witchblade" as anime, or not
anime?

If you follow ELL's line of reasoning, nothing is considered to be Anime
UNLESS it is first created in Japan, animated in Japan, for Japanese
consumption in Japan, THEN brought over here, dubbed or subbed or both
for North American consumption.

I always thought that Anime and its couter-part Manga were an art style
that originated in Japan. Not something that HAD to be FIRST done in
Japan and wholely Originate in Japan. If we follow that line of thought
though, that animated shows and comics that are first produced in
what-ever thier home country is, have to be refered to in terms of that
home country, we'll have to come up with whole new lists of terms for
each countries style of animation and comic formats then. As if things
were not already confusing enough as is. ;p

[Pete Zaitcev (OTID3)]

Post by Roger A. Young
If you follow ELL's line of reasoning, nothing is considered to be Anime
UNLESS it is first created in Japan, animated in Japan, for Japanese
consumption in Japan, THEN brought over here, dubbed or subbed or both
for North American consumption.

IMHO, a valid classification for one's purposes. In fact, I consider
it in similar terms personally.

Post by Roger A. Young
I always thought that Anime and its couter-part Manga were an art style
that originated in Japan. Not something that HAD to be FIRST done in
Japan and wholely Originate in Japan. [...]

So far, no doubt in my infinite ignorance, I haven't seen an anime-style
show which were able to capture Japanese cultural context properly, which
is what I value in anime. It's easy to draw big eyes. They have tons of
guides in American stores about it. And I saw some passable imitations
of the art style.

Taking this line of reasoning even further, I do not consider "anime"
items such as "Canon City" from Memories (the segment kicks ass, it just
isn't anime). It's just Japanese imitating Russian cartoons from 1970s.
Applied strictly, this principle denies "Triplets of Bellevue" as well;
"Big O" passes barely.

Fortunately, since imitations are not good, popular, or widespread,
we do not have to argue about it too hard at present junction.

-- Pete

[Roger A. Young]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:43:00 -0800, "Pete Zaitcev (OTID3)"

Post by Pete Zaitcev (OTID3)

Post by Roger A. Young
If you follow ELL's line of reasoning, nothing is considered to be Anime
UNLESS it is first created in Japan, animated in Japan, for Japanese
consumption in Japan, THEN brought over here, dubbed or subbed or both
for North American consumption.

IMHO, a valid classification for one's purposes. In fact, I consider
it in similar terms personally.

Post by Roger A. Young
I always thought that Anime and its couter-part Manga were an art style
that originated in Japan. Not something that HAD to be FIRST done in
Japan and wholely Originate in Japan. [...]

So far, no doubt in my infinite ignorance, I haven't seen an anime-style
show which were able to capture Japanese cultural context properly, which
is what I value in anime. It's easy to draw big eyes. They have tons of
guides in American stores about it. And I saw some passable imitations
of the art style.

I guess we'll just have to agree to dis-agree on this particular point
then.

[Galen Musbach]

I always thought that Anime and its counter-part
Manga were an art style that originated in Japan.

No. There is no such thing as an anime/manga art style.
Compare _Spirited Away_ to _Big O_ to _Legend
of the Forest_. All are anime, but they look nothing
alike. For manga, compare GON against Fruits Basket.
There are no stylistic elements common to all manga
or common to all anime. None.
The distinguishing characteristic of anime or manga
as these terms are used by western fandom
is that it was published for the Japanese market,
written and presented within the paradigms of Japanese
culture. _PowerPuff Girls Z_ is anime (and very different
from the US version) because it was intended for release
in Japan.
Ironically, the brilliant _Sherlock Hound_ was originally
produced in Japan in English for the European Market,
and is therefore technically not anime. (Get it anyway;
it's great.) _Chinese Ghost Story_ is a good animated
movie, but not anime.
Why does it matter? It doesn't have to. It doesn't make
someone better or worse as a person to prefer _Naruto_
over _Ninja High School_, or vice versa.
But manga publishers with their AmeriManga continue to
claim that manga is an art style and not a cultural style;
what they mean by the word Manga is not what we mean.
And the effort by their marketing people to change the market
to make their product acceptable is producing a backlash,
which is why you encountered such open hostility by
claiming that manga and anime are art styles, when that
isn't what those words mean here.

There's nothing wrong with liking western culture. I like
_Amazing Agent Luna_, and it's clearly western culture.
I like _Thieves and Kings_, _Usagi Yojimbo_, and
_Gremlin Trouble_. I also like _Reality Check_, although
the color release was much more impressive (_Reality
Check_ was submitted to Japanese publishers and
rejected as too alien for the audience to identify with).

Being an anime fan does not make me pro-Japanese
or anti-American; I despise nationalism and racism in
all their forms. Watching anime doesn't make me
"Japanesy" any more than watching shoujo makes
me a little girl.

And, BTW, Korean manwha is quite different from
Japanese manga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manwha


-Galen

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Roger A. Young
If you follow ELL's line of reasoning, nothing is considered to be Anime
UNLESS it is first created in Japan, animated in Japan, for Japanese
consumption in Japan, THEN brought over here, dubbed or subbed or both
for North American consumption.

Nobody said it had to be "brought over here" at all. Or anything else except
that "anime" as defined for discussion and qualification purposes is
"Japanese animation".

Post by Roger A. Young
I always thought that Anime and its couter-part Manga were an art style
that originated in Japan.

You always thought a whole bunch of shit that wasn't true. Get over
yourself.

[Roger A. Young]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:27:10 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime.

Well,

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Phyrie

Post by Phyrie
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen

Titans,
Which isn't anime...

Uhhmm... point here, Teen Titans or at least the ones on YTV Are in fact
anime. Produced in Japan. Enjoyed by the Japanese. Just because it is
based on characters from DC comics doesn't make it not anime. To you I
ask, what about the show makes it not anime, aside from the title and it
being based on an American comic book series?

Putting aside the fact that you're talking out of your ass, Teen Titans is
an *American-produced series* based on an *AMERICAN comic book property*.
Therefore, no matter what country it's actually animated in, it is *NOT
ANIME* by the definition used for the purposes of THIS discussion group, any
more than Batman: The Animated Series was (and B:tAS was produced by Tokyo
Movie Shinsha. Oooo.)
Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells like
anime, but it isn't.

What is anime then, if not the style that it is produced in?. And if
you've watched enough of the episodes from YTV, then you would of been
there for when they ran a set of the episodes with thier original
Japanese openings left intact. Hell, they've said as much that the Teen
Titans are an American franchise (loosely used term here folks, don't
get in a lather over it) but it was produced, with the permission of the
comics creators, in anime style for its japanese audience. It was then
brought back over here to North America when it was seen as being quite
popular in Japan, dubbed into english and shown on North American TV for
us to enjoy Too. What? You think the Japanese don't bring American
culture like the Teen Titans and others over to thier side of the pond
and enjoy it too? Even incorperate into thier culture by trying to turn
it into anime?

And as for ATLA, I know that it isn't anime despite its general looks,
Just like I know the Simpsons are produce or animated abroad but are by
no means considered even loosely as anime.

Though just because something may or may not be produced by the Japanese
doesn't automatically invalidate it as being done in that style. Take
most of the titles produced by Antarctic Press for instance. It is a
wholely owned and operated American company, staffed with nearly one
hundred percent born and raised Americans, yet it constantly pumps out
manga titles that are created and drawn by Americans (ie: Ninja High
School, Gold Digger, Oz The Manga, Warrior Nun Areala, Twilight X,
hell... even How To Draw Manga to name some of thier current titles on
the market).

Or is it your premise that a title has to be first originally created,
produced and sold in Japan before it can be legally considered to be
either anime or manga? (I know the topic was originally only on anime
but seeing as how we're talking about an American comic being turned
into Anime... or not from ELL's p.o.v.)

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

"Roger A. Young" <***@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

*snip*

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells like
anime, but it isn't.

What is anime then, if not the style that it is produced in?

Anime, as defined by the charter of this newsgroup, is "Japanese animation,
originating in Japan, originally produced for a Japanese audience".

Post by Roger A. Young
And if you've watched enough of the episodes from YTV

Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Post by Roger A. Young
, then you would of been
there for when they ran a set of the episodes with thier original
Japanese openings left intact.

..............................

"Original Japanese openings"?

My God, you ARE retarded. @_@

You're referring to the "Japanese opening" where Puffy Amiyumi performed the
Teen Titans theme in (rather gibberish) Japanese, I assume?

...yeah. Because they ran that down here too. It's a running gag.

It does NOT mean the show is Japanese. It means that they got a Japanese pop
group to perform the opening theme, and had them do a Japanese version of it
to run on odd episodes because it was "cool". :P

Post by Roger A. Young
Hell, they've said as much that the Teen
Titans are an American franchise

Yes, exactly.

Post by Roger A. Young
get in a lather over it) but it was produced, with the permission of the
comics creators, in anime style for its japanese audience.

It was produced in anime style for its AMERICAN audience, because anime is
the hot thing right now, and it just so happens that between that and having
Puffy Amiyumi perform the opening theme, it was highly export-friendly.

Get your head out of your ass and RESEARCH YOUR FACTS before you start
acting like you know some shit.

Post by Roger A. Young
It was then
brought back over here to North America when it was seen as being quite
popular in Japan, dubbed into english and shown on North American TV for
us to enjoy Too.

If you actually believe that, you are so (a) retarded, (b) ignorant, and (c)
just plain GULLIBLE it's not even funny.

Teen Titans is an AMERICAN cartoon, produced by AMERICANS, FOR AMERICANS,
first and foremost. Yes, it was animated overseas--EVERYTHING IS because
it's cheaper--but guess what? That happened in KOREA.

Or are you going to suggest it was a Korean show first, then dubbed into
Japanese, THEN exported back to its true country of origin and re-redubbed
into the language it was originally produced in?

Post by Roger A. Young
What? You think the Japanese don't bring American
culture like the Teen Titans and others over to thier side of the pond
and enjoy it too?

Have I ever said anything to indicate I believe this? No. Stop putting your
turds in my mouth. I'm QUITE familiar with the constant influx of American
pop culture into Japan--quite moreso than you are now or will EVER be, I
daresay, even when you were pretending to be an expatriated Japanese woman.

Post by Roger A. Young
Even incorperate into thier culture by trying to turn
it into anime?

That's what Trigun, Outlaw Star, and Cowboy Bebop are, bubbalah.

Post by Roger A. Young
And as for ATLA, I know that it isn't anime despite its general looks,
Just like I know the Simpsons are produce or animated abroad but are by
no means considered even loosely as anime.

And the same is true for Teen Titans.

Post by Roger A. Young
Though just because something may or may not be produced by the Japanese
doesn't automatically invalidate it as being done in that style.

Again, when precisely did anyone other than you say that? You're trying to
argue a point that nobody but you has brought up.

Post by Roger A. Young
Or is it your premise that a title has to be first originally created,
produced and sold in Japan before it can be legally considered to be
either anime or manga?

For the purposes of THIS DISCUSSION GROUP, *YES*.

[Phyrie]

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.

Phyrie

[Captain Nerd]

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.
Phyrie

They're shepherds, actually.

Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

Cap.

[Phyrie]

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.
Phyrie

They're shepherds, actually.
Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.

Phyrie

[Captain Nerd]

Post by Phyrie

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.
Phyrie

They're shepherds, actually.
Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.
Phyrie

Aw, who're you kidding? You Canjians try to be as snooty as
Europeans, but y'all are just too dosh-garn nice to pull it off.
I mean, can you picture one of your PM's and all of his staff
walking out of a major international meeting just because one of
your people started talking in English? Well, maybe Trudeau might
have...

Cap.
(... and y'all ain't near as pig-ignorant as us "Murkans." 'Least,
that's what all the *cool* countries tell us ...)

[Phyrie]

"Captain Nerd" <***@nerdwatch.com> wrote in message news:cptnerd-***@news.giganews.com...
*snip*

Post by Captain Nerd

Just 'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations
based on
ignorance too.
Phyrie

Aw, who're you kidding? You Canjians try to be as snooty as
Europeans, but y'all are just too dosh-garn nice to pull it off.
I mean, can you picture one of your PM's and all of his staff
walking out of a major international meeting just because one of
your people started talking in English? Well, maybe Trudeau might
have...
Cap.
(... and y'all ain't near as pig-ignorant as us "Murkans." 'Least,
that's what all the *cool* countries tell us ...)

I could be if I really wanted to. I just don't want to right now.

Phyrie

[Roger A. Young]

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.
Phyrie

They're shepherds, actually.
Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.
Phyrie

Aw, who're you kidding? You Canjians try to be as snooty as
Europeans, but y'all are just too dosh-garn nice to pull it off.
I mean, can you picture one of your PM's and all of his staff
walking out of a major international meeting just because one of
your people started talking in English? Well, maybe Trudeau might
have...
Cap.
(... and y'all ain't near as pig-ignorant as us "Murkans." 'Least,
that's what all the *cool* countries tell us ...)

Glad it wasn't me that said that. Lurker would have a shit-fit with me
for saying that. Probably still will just because to do other wise
wouldn't be in character for him. ;p

[Jack Bohn]

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie
They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.
Phyrie

Aw, who're you kidding? You Canjians try to be as snooty as
Europeans, but y'all are just too dosh-garn nice to pull it off.
I mean, can you picture one of your PM's and all of his staff
walking out of a major international meeting just because one of
your people started talking in English? Well, maybe Trudeau might
have...
Cap.
(... and y'all ain't near as pig-ignorant as us "Murkans." 'Least,
that's what all the *cool* countries tell us ...)

"Ignorant" is a harsh word; I would prefer to say "uninformed."

On that note, I wish to inform everyone that a "merkin" is a
pubic wig.

And I hope you all have the same image I've been having when I
see that term, even in variant spelling.

[Roger A. Young]

Post by Jack Bohn

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie
They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.
Phyrie

Aw, who're you kidding? You Canjians try to be as snooty as
Europeans, but y'all are just too dosh-garn nice to pull it off.
I mean, can you picture one of your PM's and all of his staff
walking out of a major international meeting just because one of
your people started talking in English? Well, maybe Trudeau might
have...
Cap.
(... and y'all ain't near as pig-ignorant as us "Murkans." 'Least,
that's what all the *cool* countries tell us ...)

"Ignorant" is a harsh word; I would prefer to say "uninformed."
On that note, I wish to inform everyone that a "merkin" is a
pubic wig.
And I hope you all have the same image I've been having when I
see that term, even in variant spelling.

Gosh I hope not. Its way funnier that way. But with the way some people
wig out around here....... Maybe. juussst maybe. ^_^'

[Aya the Vampire Slayer]

Post by Phyrie

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie
Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada
does makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about
as American as you can get.

They're shepherds, actually.
Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys. Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.

Have you even seen the movie about which you're talking? They may appear
to be what one thinks of as a "cowboy", but in the movie they were
herding sheep on a mountain. Which is what "shepherds" do.

[Phyrie]

Post by Aya the Vampire Slayer

Post by Phyrie

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Phyrie
Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada
does makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about
as American as you can get.

They're shepherds, actually.
Set in a land where men were men, and sometimes women too, and
sheep were grateful for the distraction...

They wear cowboy hats and jeans and work on a ranch. They're cowboys.
Just
'cuz I'm Canadian doesn't mean I can't make bigoted generalizations based on
ignorance too.

Have you even seen the movie about which you're talking? They may appear
to be what one thinks of as a "cowboy", but in the movie they were
herding sheep on a mountain. Which is what "shepherds" do.

You didn't read much of the thread before posting that, didcha? :-P

Phyrie

[Roger A. Young]

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:14:03 -0800, "Phyrie"

Post by Phyrie

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.
Phyrie

ROTFLMAO ;p

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Phyrie
Uh, Lurker, as a Canadian, I think I'm gonna have to protest. Canada does
makes the best maple syrup, but the Brokeback cowboys are about as American
as you can get.

Ouch! Arrow right to the heart. :D

[Roger A. Young]

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:38:35 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"

Post by Phyrie
*snip*

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
Same for Avatar: The Last Airbender. It looks, tastes, and even smells

like

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by The Eternal Lost Lurker
anime, but it isn't.

What is anime then, if not the style that it is produced in?

Anime, as defined by the charter of this newsgroup, is "Japanese animation,
originating in Japan, originally produced for a Japanese audience".

Alright, fine.

Post by Phyrie

Post by Roger A. Young
And if you've watched enough of the episodes from YTV

Uhhh...hello? NOT CANADIAN here? I live in the US of A, where we get CARTOON
NETWORK, not that brokeback maple-syrup shit. So I wouldn't begin to know
what has and what has not aired on YTV beyond what people on this newsgroup
comment on.

And there seem to be several other Americans in this group that do seem
to get YTV in thier areas of the good ol' US of A. What's your point? We
also get Cartoon Network up here in Canada too, not because its any
better or any worse than the local channels. Cable and sattelite, what
will they think of next.

Post by Phyrie

Post by Roger A. Young
, then you would of been
there for when they ran a set of the episodes with thier original
Japanese openings left intact.

..............................
"Original Japanese openings"?
You're referring to the "Japanese opening" where Puffy Amiyumi performed the
Teen Titans theme in (rather gibberish) Japanese, I assume?
...yeah. Because they ran that down here too. It's a running gag.
It does NOT mean the show is Japanese. It means that they got a Japanese pop
group to perform the opening theme, and had them do a Japanese version of it
to run on odd episodes because it was "cool". :P

Post by Roger A. Young
Hell, they've said as much that the Teen
Titans are an American franchise

Yes, exactly.

Post by Roger A. Young
get in a lather over it) but it was produced, with the permission of the
comics creators, in anime style for its japanese audience.

It was produced in anime style for its AMERICAN audience, because anime is
the hot thing right now, and it just so happens that between that and having
Puffy Amiyumi perform the opening theme, it was highly export-friendly.
Get your head out of your ass and RESEARCH YOUR FACTS before you start
acting like you know some shit.

Post by Roger A. Young
It was then
brought back over here to North America when it was seen as being quite
popular in Japan, dubbed into english and shown on North American TV for
us to enjoy Too.

If you actually believe that, you are so (a) retarded, (b) ignorant, and (c)
just plain GULLIBLE it's not even funny.
Teen Titans is an AMERICAN cartoon, produced by AMERICANS, FOR AMERICANS,
first and foremost. Yes, it was animated overseas--EVERYTHING IS because
it's cheaper--but guess what? That happened in KOREA.
Or are you going to suggest it was a Korean show first, then dubbed into
Japanese, THEN exported back to its true country of origin and re-redubbed
into the language it was originally produced in?

Post by Roger A. Young
What? You think the Japanese don't bring American
culture like the Teen Titans and others over to thier side of the pond
and enjoy it too?

Have I ever said anything to indicate I believe this? No. Stop putting your
turds in my mouth. I'm QUITE familiar with the constant influx of American
pop culture into Japan--quite moreso than you are now or will EVER be, I
daresay, even when you were pretending to be an expatriated Japanese woman.

Post by Roger A. Young
Even incorperate into thier culture by trying to turn
it into anime?

That's what Trigun, Outlaw Star, and Cowboy Bebop are, bubbalah.

Post by Roger A. Young
And as for ATLA, I know that it isn't anime despite its general looks,
Just like I know the Simpsons are produce or animated abroad but are by
no means considered even loosely as anime.

And the same is true for Teen Titans.

Post by Roger A. Young
Though just because something may or may not be produced by the Japanese
doesn't automatically invalidate it as being done in that style.

Again, when precisely did anyone other than you say that? You're trying to
argue a point that nobody but you has brought up.

Post by Roger A. Young
Or is it your premise that a title has to be first originally created,
produced and sold in Japan before it can be legally considered to be
either anime or manga?

For the purposes of THIS DISCUSSION GROUP, *YES*.

Hmmm... I am reminded of a beligerant school-yard child when I read your
replies to my posts. I will certainly do more research on my topics from
now on as you "suggest". However, I am also reminded of a message I sent
to you in private a while back; that I won't fight with you lurker. So
shout, rant, rave and make a general ass of yourself like you seem to
normally do anyway.

And while this is most likely a vain hope anyway, once you are finished
having your mad-on with the world in general, maybe, just maybe you'll
grow up in your maturity and discuss things in this group like a mature
adult instead of a petulant (no matter how smart or well read), child.

[Captain Nerd]

Post by Roger A. Young
And while this is most likely a vain hope anyway, once you are finished
having your mad-on with the world in general, maybe, just maybe you'll
grow up in your maturity and discuss things in this group like a mature
adult instead of a petulant (no matter how smart or well read), child.

He can't. Lurker doesn't possess the ability to refrain from insult
and ranting. Other readers on this group give him a world of room
to do so, for whatever reason. I just got tired of his crap and
killfiled him. Once he's tagged you as "untermensch" there's no
way to avoid his flames other than ignoring him.

Cap.

[Roger A. Young]

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Roger A. Young
And while this is most likely a vain hope anyway, once you are finished
having your mad-on with the world in general, maybe, just maybe you'll
grow up in your maturity and discuss things in this group like a mature
adult instead of a petulant (no matter how smart or well read), child.

He can't. Lurker doesn't possess the ability to refrain from insult
and ranting. Other readers on this group give him a world of room
to do so, for whatever reason. I just got tired of his crap and
killfiled him. Once he's tagged you as "untermensch" there's no
way to avoid his flames other than ignoring him.
Cap.

I did say it was a Vain hope, didn't I? ; )

[Captain Nerd]

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Roger A. Young
And while this is most likely a vain hope anyway, once you are finished
having your mad-on with the world in general, maybe, just maybe you'll
grow up in your maturity and discuss things in this group like a mature
adult instead of a petulant (no matter how smart or well read), child.

He can't. Lurker doesn't possess the ability to refrain from insult
and ranting. Other readers on this group give him a world of room
to do so, for whatever reason. I just got tired of his crap and
killfiled him. Once he's tagged you as "untermensch" there's no
way to avoid his flames other than ignoring him.
Cap.

I did say it was a Vain hope, didn't I? ; )

So, I know where there are some windmills that need tilting at...

Cap.

[Roger A. Young]

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Roger A. Young

Post by Captain Nerd

Post by Roger A. Young
And while this is most likely a vain hope anyway, once you are finished
having your mad-on with the world in general, maybe, just maybe you'll
grow up in your maturity and discuss things in this group like a mature
adult instead of a petulant (no matter how smart or well read), child.

He can't. Lurker doesn't possess the ability to refrain from insult
and ranting. Other readers on this group give him a world of room
to do so, for whatever reason. I just got tired of his crap and
killfiled him. Once he's tagged you as "untermensch" there's no
way to avoid his flames other than ignoring him.
Cap.

I did say it was a Vain hope, didn't I? ; )

So, I know where there are some windmills that need tilting at...
Cap.

Yep. Got one right here in the city in a park in the river valley too.
Got a lot of Inn's in it too. You in? <:-}

[David Johnston]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:44:58 -0800, "Phyrie"

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on YTV.

Shoulda listened to me.

The

Post by Phyrie
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at it.
I assumed it was all kids stuff. Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not, but
I'm willing to try it all right now.

It's...well...chockfilled with wacky antics punctuated by magical
duels. I'm not real impressed with it myself although it isn't
utterly formulaic. For wacky antics punctuated by magical duels
though, I prefer Naruto.

[Travers Naran]

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on YTV. The

They've been showing the anime block for over a year now (September 2004).

Keep your eyes open for the movies too. They've shown 2 of the Inuyasha
movies and Princess Mononoke.

If you have digital cable from Shaw or Rogers, the Anime Network is
available as Video on Demand giving you more options. Also, YTV has made
available some of their anime shows as VoD.

http://www.ytv.com/programming/spec/vod/index.asp

April 7th, we get Case Closed (a.k.a. Conan, the boy detective) on YTV.

[The Eternal Lost Lurker]

Post by Travers Naran
April 7th, we get Case Closed (a.k.a. Conan, the boy detective) on YTV.

*SIGH*

I get so tired of people doing this. >.>

The series title is "Detective Conan".

There is no word "Boy" in there ANYWHERE.

The confusion comes from a very similarly titled series called "Future Boy
Conan", which has about as much to do with Detective Conan as Fullmetal
Alchemist does with Full Metal Panic.

[robin-of-lox]

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on YTV. The
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at it.
I assumed it was all kids stuff. Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not, but
I'm willing to try it all right now.
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened to see
a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up more a
fantasy/legends type of girl.
Phyrie

I will recommend some of these shows. Personally I'm not into the
young kid's stuff, but some of what you listed crosses over from young
teen to adult (Inuyasha for instance).

InuYasha: great light fun even though it's always the same. It doesn't
matter when you enter the series, there is a short explanation every
few episodes so you have a clue about what is happening. This series
goes on forever and has 3 or more movies too. It's light and easy and
highly addictive for no reason you'll ever figure out (at least I
haven't yet).

Fullmetal Alchemist: A MUST SEE A really well thought through story
with no wasted characters or filler. It was because this series is so
thought provoking that I started posting here. I needed to join in and
converse about it, it is so passionate (or, we the audience become so
passionate about it) and fascinating. It's Fantasy without magic,
Sci-fi without outer space, Mystery and Conspiracy. And it's
beautifully drawn and well dubbed.

Hack/Sign: I never got into it, my other half loved it.

Ghost In The Shell SAC: You'll have to pay attention to this one, the
talking is the important stuff. Totally adult (not sex, just grown up
concepts, etc)

A few of the ones you listed I've never seen, others I've seen one or
two episodes of and rejected immediately (One Piece, Zatch Bell,
Gundam, Naruto, Transformers, Dragonball, Pokemon). You may like one
or more of them, I'm just giving my opinion here.

So as one adult female to another, the 3 or 4 above are the ones I'd
recommend. If they are on at odd hours when you can't watch them, then
I suggest recording them for viewing at a more convenient time.

Robin

[Roger A. Young]

Post by robin-of-lox

Post by Phyrie
Since I didn't recieve my copy of Cowboy Bebop: Perfect Collection today, I
thought I'd check my local TV listings to see if I get any anime. Well,
slap my butt and call me Rosey!! So far I've seen episodes of Teen Titans,
Battle B-Daman, D.I.C.E., One Piece, and Zatch Bell! On later today is
Inuyasha, Gundam Seed, Full Metal Alchemist, .Hack/Sign, Shadow Raiders,
Beast Machines, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Jack,
Naruto, Transformers Cybertron, Dragonball GT, Pokemon Chronicles, and
Beyblade. Whew! Mind you, if I watch 'em all, I'll be up till 6:00 AM, but
I am totally amazed that many of the shows you folks have recommended to me
(as a beginner) were right on my TV all the time. I NEVER turn on YTV. The
Grands watch it in the back bedroom, but I've never bothered to look at it.
I assumed it was all kids stuff. Sheesh. Right now I'm watching a one hour
recap of Zatch Bell. I have no idea if it's supposed to be good or not, but
I'm willing to try it all right now.
Oh, I've already decided I'm not fond of the mecha ones. I happened to see
a bit of Gundam Seed the other day. I think I'm gonna end up more a
fantasy/legends type of girl.
Phyrie

I will recommend some of these shows. Personally I'm not into the
young kid's stuff, but some of what you listed crosses over from young
teen to adult (Inuyasha for instance).
InuYasha: great light fun even though it's always the same. It doesn't
matter when you enter the series, there is a short explanation every
few episodes so you have a clue about what is happening. This series
goes on forever and has 3 or more movies too. It's light and easy and
highly addictive for no reason you'll ever figure out (at least I
haven't yet).

Its Takahashi! What more reason do you need?

Post by robin-of-lox
Fullmetal Alchemist: A MUST SEE A really well thought through story
with no wasted characters or filler. It was because this series is so
thought provoking that I started posting here. I needed to join in and
converse about it, it is so passionate (or, we the audience become so
passionate about it) and fascinating. It's Fantasy without magic,
Sci-fi without outer space, Mystery and Conspiracy. And it's
beautifully drawn and well dubbed.

Can't dis-agree with you there.

Post by robin-of-lox
Hack/Sign: I never got into it, my other half loved it.

If nothing else, the fact that 90% of Dot Hack Sign has this wierdly
beautiful music running in the background was enough reason for me to
watch it, wondering how I could remove the voice track from the
background sound track.

Post by robin-of-lox
Ghost In The Shell SAC: You'll have to pay attention to this one, the
talking is the important stuff. Totally adult (not sex, just grown up
concepts, etc)

Tachikoma's, cyborgs, robot tanks. Future tech that is conceivable based
on todays tech. Personal plug'n'play and getting to know what's going on
inside someone like never before. And most importantly, an intelligent
and cohierant plot and story line to follow. Something geared
specifically for adults without it being H. What's not to like? Shirow
strikes again. ;p

Post by robin-of-lox
A few of the ones you listed I've never seen, others I've seen one or
two episodes of and rejected immediately (One Piece, Zatch Bell,
Gundam, Naruto, Transformers, Dragonball, Pokemon). You may like one
or more of them, I'm just giving my opinion here.

One piece isn't so bad, so long as you watch the original japanese
version with sub-titles and not the hack and slash dubbed version.

Don't know enough about Zatch bell to comment. Ditto on Naruto.

Watch some of the first series of Gundam, like 0080 War in the Pocket,
or 0083 Stardust Memories for some good Gundam. The animation may not be
up to todays standards but it is a lot better story wise than todays
re-hashes of Gundam.

The entire Tranformers series isn't so bad as long as you don't mind
semi-intelligent robots with corny accents and a very badly re-hashed
plotline after awhile. It rocks a lot better if you can find it
subtitled with its original japanese voice actors though. But thats just
my opinion.

Dragonball and Pokemon. Both were great in thier first seasons but the
plots and story-lines become tedious and worse; monotonous from the
second seasons on.

Post by robin-of-lox
So as one adult female to another, the 3 or 4 above are the ones I'd
recommend. If they are on at odd hours when you can't watch them, then
I suggest recording them for viewing at a more convenient time.
Robin