Pounamu - tapu?

[f***@gmail.com]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!

From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
Good luck!

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

Dear "Newsman":
That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging by the post you've made.So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

[-Newsman-]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"
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Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?=

My

daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anythin=

g

other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. =

I

would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purc=

hase

and cannot recall why!

From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed =

by a

tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
Good luck!

=20
Silly, superstitious malarkey.
=20
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenou=
s culture.

Once again for the slow learners:

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If a belief has any robustness whatever it will be impervious to any
'attack' made on it. Otherwise it might as well just die like any
other moribund creation, real or imagined.

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[Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty]

"Hobbit" (Sorcery Pom "culture")

Silly, superstitious malarkey.

.


Scheming, Inbred Theiving White European
Genetic Code (D.N.A.) Of Animal Instinctual Rape,
Pillage, Swindle, Outright Theft Of Other's Lands,
Possessions, Mineral Wealth, Etc.

GREENSTONE (Pounamu)

Grand Theft Murdering Paakehaa With Greenstone
(Jade) In Their Eyes, With 'NO MANA' Attached,
In The Wholesale Theft Of Minerals And Resources
Of Te Aotearoa:
By PAAKEHAA

Parasite Chinese Gook Hordes Aquiring All Available
Greenstone Sources To Make Ugly Pagan Fertility
Stone Trinkets . . . . For Small Dong Chinese.

PAAKEHAA


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"A proclamation dated 11 July, 1863 declared that
Maori who did not take the oath of allegiance
would lose their lands; government forces crossed
the Mangatawhiri River (the Kiingitanga boundary)
and fought the first battle before its text had been
seen in Waikato"

"The Government made no real attempt to
negotiate, merely issuing proclamations in
June 1861 and July 1863 demanding submission.
At Taupiri in January 1863, in a pronouncement
that reverberated throughout the movement,
Grey threatened to dig around the Kiingitanga
until it fell."
-- John Gorst

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Post by f***@gmail.com

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:13 +1200, "The Hobbit"

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!

From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
Good luck!

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging by the post you've made.So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

Patrick

[george152]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

[Pooh]

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

Pooh

[george152]

Post by Pooh

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

:)
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....

[Every All Where]

On , , Fri, 24 May 2013 12:14:26 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, george152

Post by george152

Post by Pooh

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

:)
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....

The correct word is "spelled" not "spelt".

[-Newsman-]

On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:39:14 +1200, Every All Where

Post by Every All Where
On , , Fri, 24 May 2013 12:14:26 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, george152

Post by george152

Post by Pooh

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

:)
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....

The correct word is "spelled" not "spelt".

Either is OK.

[geopelia]

Post by -Newsman-
On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:39:14 +1200, Every All Where

Post by Every All Where
On , , Fri, 24 May 2013 12:14:26 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, george152

Post by george152

Post by Pooh

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

:)
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....

The correct word is "spelled" not "spelt".

Either is OK.

Spelt is a kind of wheat, used for flour.

But I spell the spelling word either way, too.
If in doubt use "written".

[Every All Where]

On , , Thu, 30 May 2013 18:50:35 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, "geopelia"

Post by geopelia

Post by -Newsman-
On Thu, 30 May 2013 13:39:14 +1200, Every All Where

Post by Every All Where
On , , Fri, 24 May 2013 12:14:26 +1200, Re: Pounamu - tapu?, george152

Post by george152

Post by Pooh

Post by george152

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Grewacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

For once Patrick has posted what is common sense...

But what is 'Grewacke'? Must be someone else using Pratsies nym. After all
we all know Pratsie NEVER makes spelling mistakes in his moronic rants.

:)
I find that if I post a spelling flame I get something spelt wrong in
spite of the spell checker....

The correct word is "spelled" not "spelt".

Either is OK.

Spelt is a kind of wheat, used for flour.

Quite.
The use of "spelt" is an americanism and a vulgar one at that.

Post by geopelia
But I spell the spelling word either way, too.

Laziness is creeping into both the written and spoken language.

Post by geopelia
If in doubt use "written".

A wise choice.

[Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty]

"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote:

≤⅗ There is no tapu or other superstitious magic
≤⅗ associated with Pounamu.

.

Paakehaa Patrick ——> Ignorant Euro Ha'ole To
Maaori (Māori) Protocol
TAPU:
Pounamu Mere = Not To Be Sat Upon

MAGIC:
Kohukohu \ Kangakanga = Curse On Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves

Kai Oraora = Cursing Song Against Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves

FITZPATRICK:
Cursed Norman Surname Denoting 1066 A.D. Invasion
Thieving Double-Dealing Double-Helix D.N.A.
Stealing Irish Heritage, Not Irish At All.







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"A proclamation dated 11 July, 1863 declared that
Maori who did not take the oath of allegiance
would lose their lands; government forces crossed
the Mangatawhiri River (the Kiingitanga boundary)
and fought the first battle before its text had been
seen in Waikato"

"The Government made no real attempt to
negotiate, merely issuing proclamations in
June 1861 and July 1863 demanding submission.
At Taupiri in January 1863, in a pronouncement
that reverberated throughout the movement,
Grey threatened to dig around the Kiingitanga
until it fell."
-- John Gorst

[Patrick FitzGerald]

There is no tapu or other superstitious magic associated with
Pounamu. It is just a rock like Basalt, Greywacke or Granite formed by
geological processes.

Patrick

[Ras Mikaere Enoch Mc Carty]

"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote:

≤⅗ There is no tapu or other superstitious magic
≤⅗ associated with Pounamu.

.

Paakehaa Patrick ——> Ignorant Euro Ha'ole To
Maaori (Māori) Protocol
TAPU:
Pounamu Mere = Not To Be Sat Upon

MAGIC:
Kohukohu \ Kangakanga = Curse On Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves

Kai Oraora = Cursing Song Against Paakehaa
Mineral Thieves

FITZPATRICK:
Cursed Norman Surname Denoting 1066 A.D. Invasion
Thieving Double-Dealing Double-Helix D.N.A.
Stealing Irish Heritage, Not Irish At All.







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"A proclamation dated 11 July, 1863 declared that
Maori who did not take the oath of allegiance
would lose their lands; government forces crossed
the Mangatawhiri River (the Kiingitanga boundary)
and fought the first battle before its text had been
seen in Waikato"

"The Government made no real attempt to
negotiate, merely issuing proclamations in
June 1861 and July 1863 demanding submission.
At Taupiri in January 1863, in a pronouncement
that reverberated throughout the movement,
Grey threatened to dig around the Kiingitanga
until it fell."
-- John Gorst

[BR]

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging
by the post you've made. So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your
ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no
knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.

Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.

Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Bill.

[-Newsman-]

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging
by the post you've made. So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your
ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no
knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Word is that the taniwha's physical manifestation suspiciously
resembles a dollar sign.

And what about 'secretive taniwha that rise up from swamps and river
beds every now and again, demanding a tithe from Transit New Zealand?'


Anyone ever seen one? What's the going rate for a rising-up?

[geopelia]

Post by -Newsman-

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging
by the post you've made. So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your
ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no
knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Word is that the taniwha's physical manifestation suspiciously
resembles a dollar sign.
And what about 'secretive taniwha that rise up from swamps and river
beds every now and again, demanding a tithe from Transit New Zealand?'
Anyone ever seen one? What's the going rate for a rising-up?

They had to change a proposed road to avoid a taniwha's habitat.
An offended taniwha could be dangerous.
Perhaps State Highway 2 near Mangatawhiri should be checked for taniwhas.
Older Maori might know if one is around there.
The death rate is far too high for a modern road.

As for greenstone, the Warehouse sells something similar as jade.
I doubt there is much difference.

[Rich80105]

Post by geopelia

Post by -Newsman-

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for you judging
by the post you've made. So let me help you out a little by excusing you for your
ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no
knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Word is that the taniwha's physical manifestation suspiciously
resembles a dollar sign.
And what about 'secretive taniwha that rise up from swamps and river
beds every now and again, demanding a tithe from Transit New Zealand?'
Anyone ever seen one? What's the going rate for a rising-up?

They had to change a proposed road to avoid a taniwha's habitat.
An offended taniwha could be dangerous.
Perhaps State Highway 2 near Mangatawhiri should be checked for taniwhas.
Older Maori might know if one is around there.
The death rate is far too high for a modern road.
As for greenstone, the Warehouse sells something similar as jade.
I doubt there is much difference.

Geologically little difference I understand, but the origin of the
Warehouse material is probably China.

[David]

He tapu hoki he ingoa anake,

he tapu te pounamu,

he tapu nga taonga katoa.

He aha te raruraru?

Naku noa na Rawiri...

[geopelia]

Post by Rich80105

Post by geopelia

Post by -Newsman-

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an indigenous
culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign concept for
you
judging
by the post you've made. So let me help you out a little by excusing
you
for your
ignorance and advising you...dont bother talking about issues you have no
knowledge about-you make yourself appear even stupider than you probably
look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Word is that the taniwha's physical manifestation suspiciously
resembles a dollar sign.
And what about 'secretive taniwha that rise up from swamps and river
beds every now and again, demanding a tithe from Transit New Zealand?'
Anyone ever seen one? What's the going rate for a rising-up?

They had to change a proposed road to avoid a taniwha's habitat.
An offended taniwha could be dangerous.
Perhaps State Highway 2 near Mangatawhiri should be checked for taniwhas.
Older Maori might know if one is around there.
The death rate is far too high for a modern road.
As for greenstone, the Warehouse sells something similar as jade.
I doubt there is much difference.

Geologically little difference I understand, but the origin of the
Warehouse material is probably China.

Yes, jade has some significance in China. Isn't it supposed to preserve a
corpse from decay?
Remember the princes they found some years ago in suits made of jade?

[Allistar]

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an
indigenous culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign
concept for you judging by the post you've made. So let me help you out a
little by excusing you for your ignorance and advising you...dont bother
talking about issues you have no knowledge about-you make yourself appear
even stupider than you probably look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.

Sounds must like a lot of western "culture".

Post by BR
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Don't forget gods.

[Rich80105]

Post by Allistar

Post by BR

Post by f***@gmail.com

Silly, superstitious malarkey.
Newsman

That 'superstitious malarkey' you refer to is actually part of an
indigenous culture. And culture, it seems, is something of a foreign
concept for you judging by the post you've made. So let me help you out a
little by excusing you for your ignorance and advising you...dont bother
talking about issues you have no knowledge about-you make yourself appear
even stupider than you probably look in person keyboard warrior.
Kind regards.

I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.

Sounds must like a lot of western "culture".

Post by BR
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Don't forget gods.

Low taxes are god-like to some

[victor]

Post by Allistar

Post by BR
I'm with Newsman on this rare occasion.
Indigenous "culture" is mostly superstitious nonsense.

Sounds must like a lot of western "culture".

Post by BR
Taniwhas and all that, bollocks.

Don't forget gods.

Or the free market.

[Katipo]

From what I recall - you shouldn't buy greenstone for yourself as it is
supposed to be gifted. I think you are also supposed to get it blessed by a
tribal elder if it's going out of the country (eg on her OE)
Good luck!

How much do the maoris charge for a blessing these days?

[e***@gmail.com]

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

It's a sign of respect (not just superstitious) if you're gonna wear something that's sacred to a race. Than quit your bullshit and abide by the tradition. If not, stick to the gold and silver eh.

[David]

Post by e***@gmail.com

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

It's a sign of respect (not just superstitious) if you're gonna wear something that's sacred to a race. Than quit your bullshit and abide by the tradition. If not, stick to the gold and silver eh.

A good reply... but don't expect an wisdom form this forum, huh?

He rau moemiti...

[george152]

Post by e***@gmail.com

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

It's a sign of respect (not just superstitious) if you're gonna wear something that's sacred to a race. Than quit your bullshit and abide by the tradition. If not, stick to the gold and silver eh.

Go down to the markets and there will be stalls there loaded with
pounamu carvings all with a price ticket on them.
For greenstone and jade the same applies

[David]

Post by george152
Go down to the markets and there will be stalls there loaded with
pounamu carvings all with a price ticket on them.
For greenstone and jade the same applies

A lot of the pounamu, and the jade, will have come from Asia.

[george152]

Post by David

Post by george152
Go down to the markets and there will be stalls there loaded with
pounamu carvings all with a price ticket on them.
For greenstone and jade the same applies

A lot of the pounamu, and the jade, will have come from Asia.

So what's all this nonsense about a piece of imported inferior stone cut
to resemble some culture or other as being 'sacred' ?

[David]

Post by george152
So what's all this nonsense about a piece of imported inferior stone cut
to resemble some culture or other as being 'sacred' ?

Its called provenance.

[r***@gmail.com]

It's special to the Maori people and you get it blessed before you wear them or else it becomes bad luck. It's not 'Pounamu' if it isn't blessed and you should never wear it until it is....repeated and this reply is completely unnecessary since its 2014 but I felt offended due to previous comments from disrespectful dumb asses -_-

[george152]

Post by r***@gmail.com
It's special to the Maori people and you get it blessed before you wear them or else it becomes bad luck. It's not 'Pounamu' if it isn't blessed and you should never wear it until it is....repeated and this reply is completely unnecessary since its 2014 but I felt offended due to previous comments from disrespectful dumb asses -_-

How about Jade then ?

[Roger Dewhurst]

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

Paddy is right for once. Just a bit of low value mineral.

[n***@gmail.com]

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

Hey there, As a part Maori of Kai Tahu iwi,i would like to say that you are quite right about not buying Pounamu for yourself.
Pounamu has to be gifted to another and yes, getting it blessed is most appropriate, but it doesn't have to be blessed.
Nastassija :)

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Pounamu is just another rock produced by geological processes as was
Greywacke, basalt etc formed


Being just another inert rock amomg many others it possesses no
special properties.


Patrick

[Patrick FitzGerald]

But Pounamu may have special problems

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http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/248119/pounamu-workers-may-get-new-rules


Those who work with Pounamu or greenstone may be included in new rules
regulating work involving asbestos.


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Patrick

[TIMO]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock produced by geological processes as was
Greywacke, basalt etc formed
Being just another inert rock amomg many others it possesses no
special properties.

You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Post by TIMO
You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)

You really are an ignorant idiot if you believe Pounamu is not just an
inert rock produced by geological processes.

It is obvious from, your mention of it, that you flip burgers for a
living. You also hide behind a yellow streak pseudonym to make your
silly, puerile, abusive post.

Patrick

[TIMO]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald

Post by TIMO
You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)

You really are an ignorant idiot if you believe Pounamu is not just an
inert rock produced by geological processes.
It is obvious from, your mention of it, that you flip burgers for a
living. You also hide behind a yellow streak pseudonym to make your
silly, puerile, abusive post.
Patrick

Your ignorant because you don't appreciate or sensitive to other peoples cultures or belief systems. You are not a labour supporter as you so make out. As I have said in other posts, you hide behind that Rick Young Ones character while disseminating mistruths about global warming (or flip burgers).

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Post by TIMO
Your ignorant because you don't appreciate or sensitive to other peoples cultures or belief systems.

Your [sic] ignorant because you don't appreciate or [are] insensitive
to scientific facts.

A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
is an inert mass produced by geological process.



Patrick

[TIMO]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald

Post by TIMO
Your ignorant because you don't appreciate or sensitive to other peoples cultures or belief systems.

Your [sic] ignorant because you don't appreciate or [are] insensitive
to scientific facts.
A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
is an inert mass produced by geological process.

Dumb ass.

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Post by TIMO
Dumb ass.

What a brilliant logical argument!!

No wonder you suffer from delusions of mystical properties of inert
rocks.


Patrick

[Roger Dewhurst]

Post by TIMO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald

Post by TIMO
Your ignorant because you don't appreciate or sensitive to other peoples cultures or belief systems.

Your [sic] ignorant because you don't appreciate or [are] insensitive
to scientific facts.
A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
is an inert mass produced by geological process.

Dumb ass.

Paddy is right. It is just a rock, an interesting one nevertheless. Some rocks and minerals are valuable but most are not. Greenstone, bowenite, or what ever you want to call it is marginally semi-precious.

[geopelia]

Post by TIMO
Your ignorant because you don't appreciate or sensitive to other peoples
cultures or belief systems.

Your [sic] ignorant because you don't appreciate or [are] insensitive
to scientific facts.

A rock is a rock is a rock and whether it is Greywacke or Pounamu it
is an inert mass produced by geological process.



Patrick

Unless it is a Uranium bearing rock. But it would be very risky to wear
that!

[george152]

Post by geopelia
Unless it is a Uranium bearing rock. But it would be very risky to wear
that!

Riiight. Every-one just loves a bit of dull rock necklace :)
No matter what gemstone it is slightly radioactive but then everything is

[misanthropic_curmudgeon]

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:05:13 AM UTC+12, geopelia wrote:
[snip]

Post by geopelia
Unless it is a Uranium bearing rock. But it would
be very risky to wear that!

Interestingly, that is a subplot twist explored in Michael Douglas' "The Idiot Played Rachmaninov", set on The West Coast of NZ.
http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-Played-Rachmaninov-Michael-Douglas/dp/0473207230

[geopelia]

"misanthropic_curmudgeon" wrote in message news:7d64aa81-9c08-487b-bf38-***@googlegroups.com...

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:05:13 AM UTC+12, geopelia wrote:
[snip]

Post by geopelia
Unless it is a Uranium bearing rock. But it would
be very risky to wear that!

Interestingly, that is a subplot twist explored in Michael Douglas' "The
Idiot Played Rachmaninov", set on The West Coast of NZ.
http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-Played-Rachmaninov-Michael-Douglas/dp/0473207230

Looks interesting! I'll look out for it.

[h***@gmail.com]

Abit late in the discussion re pounamu but this is my understanding..... pounamu is usually gifted to you, however this being said, pounamu will find you if you are meant to have it. It will "call to you" so to speak. Culturally speaking, you never own pounamu but become a caretaker of it ( the piece that is ) for the next person.
Blessing can be as simple or as elaborate as you want it to be..... an elder, priest etc etc saying some prayers over it, or putting it into running water, a stream, river or the like and saying a prayer and giving thanks in a respectful manner.
As far as "a rock is a rock" goes... I can only say this.
The white man can have his gold and silver ( rocks )
The maori have Pounamu

[h***@gmail.com]

Whats special about pounamu you ask ??? Ok this is my take on it ... thinking in a "westerner" sense. Nephrite Jade or Pounamu in NZ, is admired for both its beauty & its strength the world over.
I read you can get nephrite jade in Australia and Canada however.. the quality of the stone and its range of colours is nowhere near pounamu and this particular variety of "jade" is ONLY FOUND in NZ. That in itself makes it precious. Also, with the deposits of pounamu being found becoming fewer, pounamu is fast becoming more and more desirable (maybe not so great)
Remember Chinese Jade was and is still highly valued.. so to Pounamu to the maori. To truly understand its significance to the people you need to walk in their shoes.... its not about "the rock" its the journey the rock made...

[george152]

Post by h***@gmail.com
Abit late in the discussion re pounamu but this is my understanding..... pounamu is usually gifted to you, however this being said, pounamu will find you if you are meant to have it. It will "call to you" so to speak. Culturally speaking, you never own pounamu but become a caretaker of it ( the piece that is ) for the next person.
Blessing can be as simple or as elaborate as you want it to be..... an elder, priest etc etc saying some prayers over it, or putting it into running water, a stream, river or the like and saying a prayer and giving thanks in a respectful manner.
As far as "a rock is a rock" goes... I can only say this.
The white man can have his gold and silver ( rocks )
The maori have Pounamu

Unless you are a 'Rock Hound' then its greenstone/jade and comes in
pebble, stone and boulder size

[h***@gmail.com]

Sure....)

[h***@gmail.com]

Here is somethibg else i found....
Greenstone or Jade.
If it isn’t possible for you to return it, wrap it up and bury it somewhere no one will dig it up on purpose. Or if you live by a river return it back to the water. It must be a river, not an ocean.
No stone is taken from the river without it being blessed so it will bless . If it is negative for you then it needs to go back in the soil or in the river if not, to the person who gave it to you.

Another thing ....

For New Zealand’s Māori people, pounamu - also known as New Zealand jade - is of great cultural and spiritual value, and is considered tapu or sacred.

In traditional Māori life, pounamu was used for everything from jewellery and adornments signifying the wearer’s mana or status, to tools and weapons. It was often used as a gift and as a symbol of peace.

[george152]

Post by TIMO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock produced by geological processes as was
Greywacke, basalt etc formed
Being just another inert rock amomg many others it possesses no
special properties.

You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)

Okay. What is special about Jade or Greenstone?

[geopelia]

Post by TIMO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock produced by geological processes as was
Greywacke, basalt etc formed
Being just another inert rock amomg many others it possesses no
special properties.

You really are an ignorant idiot. Do you flip burgers for a living (or
work for the oil industries serving penne arabata to the frackers?)

Okay. What is special about Jade or Greenstone?

They are supposed to have special properties. A body encased in jade is
supposed not to decay.
Two ancient Chinese princes were buried in suits of jade plates.
(See Google Images)

[l***@gmail.com]

Blesssings cost nothing

[Patrick FitzGerald]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:26:43 -0800 (PST), ***@gmail.com wrote:



Just a rock

[a***@icloud.com]

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

Okay, You cannot buy yourself a pounamu because that is really tapu. You have to be gifted it by someone else. If the pounamu falls off its not meant to be. If you lose it, it should come back to you if its rightfully yours. If you find one in the sea, Do not wear it, Gift or carve but its not yours if you dont want to do those things then throw it back to the sea. If it breaks then thats really tapu and hasnt been blessed properly.Also Have it blessed by a kaumatua because ive heard i few cases when it wraps around necks, just to be safe. And this is superstitious and traditional and if you people commenting just do what ever you like with our sacred items then you just insulted our whole culture so please be considerite of my culture...

[george152]

Post by a***@icloud.com

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is? My
daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this purchase
and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

Okay, You cannot buy yourself a pounamu because that is really tapu. You have to be gifted it by someone else. If the pounamu falls off its not meant to be. If you lose it, it should come back to you if its rightfully yours. If you find one in the sea, Do not wear it, Gift or carve but its not yours if you dont want to do those things then throw it back to the sea. If it breaks then thats really tapu and hasnt been blessed properly.Also Have it blessed by a kaumatua because ive heard i few cases when it wraps around necks, just to be safe. And this is superstitious and traditional and if you people commenting just do what ever you like with our sacred items then you just insulted our whole culture so please be considerite of my culture...

Its a bloody rock.
You can pick it up in the South Island.
Rock hunters do it all the time..
People carve it to make salable items (and dosh for themselves)

[Allistar]

Post by a***@icloud.com

Could someone tell me what the correct way of dealing with pounamu is?
My daughter has just bought a pendant and although I cannot remember the
reasons, I do recall my grandmother telling me it can never be anything
other than a gift. Even then, I think she said it had to be blessed. I
would appreciate any information as I feel very uneasy about this
purchase and cannot recall why!
Thanks.
Clay

Okay, You cannot buy yourself a pounamu because that is really tapu. You
have to be gifted it by someone else. If the pounamu falls off its not
meant to be. If you lose it, it should come back to you if its rightfully
yours. If you find one in the sea, Do not wear it, Gift or carve but its
not yours if you dont want to do those things then throw it back to the
sea. If it breaks then thats really tapu and hasnt been blessed
properly.Also Have it blessed by a kaumatua because ive heard i few cases
when it wraps around necks, just to be safe. And this is superstitious and
traditional and if you people commenting just do what ever you like with
our sacred items then you just insulted our whole culture so please be
considerite of my culture...

I have purchased Greenstone for myself. No-one was offended. Lightening did
not come down and strike me. The world is too full of superstitious
nonsense.

[Patrick FitzGerald]

Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.

It is just another rock.



Patrick

[JohnO]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

[geopelia]

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Much "greenstone" on sale is jade from China. That has some significance to
the Chinese.
But it shouldn't be sold as our pounamu.

And some alas is plastic!

[Allistar]

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because it
might offend someone.

[Rich80105]

Post by Allistar

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because it
might offend someone.

Heaven forbid that anyone prevents you from offending people Allistar
- unless of course that caused harm - you are harmless aren't you?

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because it
might offend someone.

Heaven forbid that anyone prevents you from offending people Allistar
- unless of course that caused harm - you are harmless aren't you?

Buying a piece of rock for myself harms no-one. So whether it offends anyone
is irrelevant. Eating bacon harms no-one. Shaving my face harms no-one.
Drawing a cartoon of a historical figure harms no-one. Whether these things
offend anyone should have no bearing on whether we should be allowed to do
them.

[Rich80105]

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because it
might offend someone.

Heaven forbid that anyone prevents you from offending people Allistar
- unless of course that caused harm - you are harmless aren't you?

Buying a piece of rock for myself harms no-one. So whether it offends anyone
is irrelevant. Eating bacon harms no-one. Shaving my face harms no-one.
Drawing a cartoon of a historical figure harms no-one. Whether these things
offend anyone should have no bearing on whether we should be allowed to do
them.

Just don't celebrate with the Falun Gong - apparently freedom only
goes so far . . .

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties.
But that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and
should be ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because
it might offend someone.

Heaven forbid that anyone prevents you from offending people Allistar
- unless of course that caused harm - you are harmless aren't you?

Buying a piece of rock for myself harms no-one. So whether it offends
anyone is irrelevant. Eating bacon harms no-one. Shaving my face harms
no-one. Drawing a cartoon of a historical figure harms no-one. Whether
these things offend anyone should have no bearing on whether we should be
allowed to do them.

Just don't celebrate with the Falun Gong - apparently freedom only
goes so far . . .

It doesn't go far enough. Ironic that a Labour supporter speaks of freedom
as if it's something to be desired. If you think that then your support is
misplaced.

[0***@gmail.com]

Hi All.
No one believes in pounamu superstion I do I've seen what can't be explained happen to a greenstone thief. I'm not religious. I'm half Maori half kiwi or pakeha.I'm in oz right now I'm with a Ozzie. I can't believe the racism in nz. I being half have seen it all.

[geopelia]

Post by JohnO

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Pounamu is just another rock formed by geological processes. Like
Greywacke, basalt, limestone etc it has no special powers.
It is just another rock.

... which has some useful physical and attractive visual properties. But
that's about it. All else is just prehistoric mumbo-jumbo and should be
ignored.

Post by Patrick FitzGerald
Patrick

Maori culture should be respected.

Sure, but not to the point where I have to change my behaviour because it
might offend someone.

..............

It depends what you do. I must have broken a few tapu laws when I first came
to New Zealand, but nobody told me.
If I know, I'm careful not to offend.

But the same goes for Pakeha culture.

[george152]

Post by geopelia
It depends what you do. I must have broken a few tapu laws when I first
came to New Zealand, but nobody told me.
If I know, I'm careful not to offend.
But the same goes for Pakeha culture.

The thing about greenstone is that it is a common form throughout the
world usually referred to as Jade.
The term jade is applied to two different metamorphic rocks that are
made up of different silicate minerals:
Very common art material in the Americas and China.

And tapu is a commonsense way of preserving or banning something

not religious

[geopelia]

Post by geopelia
It depends what you do. I must have broken a few tapu laws when I first
came to New Zealand, but nobody told me.
If I know, I'm careful not to offend.
But the same goes for Pakeha culture.

The thing about greenstone is that it is a common form throughout the
world usually referred to as Jade.
The term jade is applied to two different metamorphic rocks that are
made up of different silicate minerals:
Very common art material in the Americas and China.

And tapu is a commonsense way of preserving or banning something

not religious
...........

A good idea, if everybody knows about it.

[george152]

Post by george152

Post by geopelia
It depends what you do. I must have broken a few tapu laws when I first
came to New Zealand, but nobody told me.
If I know, I'm careful not to offend.
But the same goes for Pakeha culture.

The thing about greenstone is that it is a common form throughout the
world usually referred to as Jade.
The term jade is applied to two different metamorphic rocks that are
Very common art material in the Americas and China.
And tapu is a commonsense way of preserving or banning something
not religious
...........
A good idea, if everybody knows about it.

Oh they know. However theres a lot of dosh in fairy tales

[geopelia]

Post by george152

Post by geopelia
It depends what you do. I must have broken a few tapu laws when I first
came to New Zealand, but nobody told me.
If I know, I'm careful not to offend.
But the same goes for Pakeha culture.

The thing about greenstone is that it is a common form throughout the
world usually referred to as Jade.
The term jade is applied to two different metamorphic rocks that are
Very common art material in the Americas and China.
And tapu is a commonsense way of preserving or banning something
not religious
...........
A good idea, if everybody knows about it.

Oh they know. However theres a lot of dosh in fairy tales

..........

I suppose it depends whether people actually believe in it.

Don't the aborigines point a bone at people? If anyone did that here we
would just have a laugh.
If they believe in it, there could be consequences.

[k***@gmail.com]

Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

[Liberty]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Get the necklaces made and enjoy.

[Gordon]

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?
Get the necklaces made and enjoy.

Well, how about doing what the departed would have wanted?

[george152]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

[Rich80105]

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

[Rich80105]

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

[Liberty]

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Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

Then why look for problems.
Just cut up the rock and enjoy it.

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but
I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner
we're rid of such nonsense the better.

[Rich80105]

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but
I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner
we're rid of such nonsense the better.

It is commonsense to be careful with something valuable like a slab of
greenstone to maximise value, even if it is not proposed to sell in
the short term. What your personal religious beliefs are does not
stop others having their own views..

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone
in the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab,
but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner
we're rid of such nonsense the better.

It is commonsense to be careful with something valuable like a slab of
greenstone to maximise value, even if it is not proposed to sell in
the short term.

Sure, as with anything valuable. But taboo shouldn't enter into the
equation.

Post by Rich80105
What your personal religious beliefs are does not
stop others having their own views..

I don't have any personal religious beliefs because I'm not gullible.

[victor]

Post by Allistar
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner
we're rid of such nonsense the better.

Why do gems cost more ?

Is their value a superstition ?

[Allistar]

Post by victor

Post by Allistar
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as
ridiculous as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone.
The sooner we're rid of such nonsense the better.

Why do gems cost more ?

Normally because they're rare, and they're pretty. People want them, so
their price goes up.

Post by victor
Is their value a superstition ?

For some people I'm sure it is.

[Pooh]

Post by Allistar

Post by victor

Post by Allistar
Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as
ridiculous as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone.
The sooner we're rid of such nonsense the better.

Why do gems cost more ?

Normally because they're rare, and they're pretty. People want them, so
their price goes up.

Post by victor
Is their value a superstition ?

For some people I'm sure it is.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

Gems gain their value only after being worked by skilled craftsmen.
Frequently this happens when they cut out any inclussions or other flaws in
the stone.

Pooh

[geopelia]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Allistar

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in
the car. My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in
wardrobe. She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but
I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Legal issues to cut your own rock? Are you serious?

Just covering possibilities. There may be no such issues, but just as
well to know.

Imbuing a rock with magical powers or superstition is nearly as ridiculous
as thinking there's an invisible being watching over everyone. The sooner
we're rid of such nonsense the better.

..........
It's like putting a curse on someone. We know it's just nonsense, but it
relieves our feelings
It's extremely scary though if it seems to have worked out!

[Liberty]

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

[Fred]

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own
property.

[Rich80105]

Post by Fred

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own
property.

Unless it breaks the many laws that have not changed since National
came into office - indeed they have acquired quite a bit of property
for roading purposes . . . . There is no need to bring partisan
politics into everything, Fred.

[Allistar]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Fred

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own
property.

Unless it breaks the many laws that have not changed since National
came into office - indeed they have acquired quite a bit of property
for roading purposes . . . . There is no need to bring partisan
politics into everything, Fred.

Shit, I think you just broke my hypocrisy meter.

[victor]

Post by Fred

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

And Labour aren't in power - so you can do what you like with your own
property.

You can't export over a certain quantity.

[victor]

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

So are the Crown Jewels

[george152]

Post by victor

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

So are the Crown Jewels

The crown jewels are not one rock or one type of rock..
Unlike those in your head

[Pooh]

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Post by victor

Post by k***@gmail.com

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152

Post by k***@gmail.com
Hi my step dad recently passed away and he left his big greenstone in the car.

My mum took it out and has it hanging up in a bag in wardrobe.
She wants to get necklaces made out of it as its a slab, but I don't
know if that counts as "tapu" please help?

Post by Rich80105

Post by george152
As its a piece of greenstone its a piece of rock.
To do with what you want. It's your families bit of rock

A lot of value can be lost if the stone is not worked in the best
possible way. I suggest seeking expert advice - not likely to be
foundreading your mothers stone from nz.general - an expert will be
able to advise if there are any legal or cultural issues that need to
be allowed for.

Its only a rock.

So are the Crown Jewels

The crown jewels are not one rock or one type of rock..
Unlike those in your head

In the independant victors case it's probably talc: the softest rock:)

Pooh

[t***@gmail.com]

well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
how you do that???

Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for herself.
She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put it away,
never to be worn again.
Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use?

No. It should be thought of as similar to a diamond ring. Usually diamond
rings are given to signify engagement, and have a special meaning when so
given or received. But there's nothing to stop anybody buying one for
their own use.

Should she give it away

Why? If she likes it why not wear it?

(but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't that
demean the giving)?

Not at all. In fact, if she wore it for a while and became attached to
it, the giving would be enhanced if/when she finally did give it away.She
could wear it with the purpose of eventually giving it away, and be on
the look out for the right person to receive it in 1, 5, 10 or 50 years'
time

Should she get it blessed?

Not necessarily. But if she is that worried about it by all means have it
blessed. As her father, you are perfectly entitled to do that.
I runga i te Whakapono o Ihu Karaiti
ka whakatapu e tatou tenei taonga
i runga i te ingoa o te Matua, o te Tama, o te Wairua Tapu.
(In the faith of Jesus Christ,
we bless this treasure
in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit)
But if you prefer, trot along to your local priest/minister/kaumatua. It
should take 2 minutes and will cost you nothing

Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with pounamu?
Thanks.

I am confident in what I have just told you but I would not presume to
any authority in the Maori world.

Yeah you can buy your own but its kind of a rule that the pounamu needs to call to you to buy it, like you have to get a special feeling when your trying to find it, like your drawned to it. Either that or let it be given to you by someone else as a gift. And you dont have to have it blessed but its good to get it done, you can get it blessed by anyone who knows the tikanga of pounamo by doing a simple karakia. You cant let anyone else wear your pounamu because its tapu/ not allowed because it carries your mana in it and by doing so, you can curse the stone

[Allistar]

Post by t***@gmail.com

well said! You've put into words the thoughts that were going
around in my head when I first read this thread yeasterday...
how you do that???

Yes, well said indeed. But, no-one has answered my question yet :-(
It was not bought as a gift, it was purchased by my daughter for
herself. She has now been told that it is extremely unlucky and has put
it away, never to be worn again.
Is it considered unlucky to buy for your own use?

No. It should be thought of as similar to a diamond ring. Usually diamond
rings are given to signify engagement, and have a special meaning when so
given or received. But there's nothing to stop anybody buying one for
their own use.

Should she give it away

Why? If she likes it why not wear it?

(but, then again, if it was not bought to be given as a gift, won't
that demean the giving)?

Not at all. In fact, if she wore it for a while and became attached to
it, the giving would be enhanced if/when she finally did give it away.She
could wear it with the purpose of eventually giving it away, and be on
the look out for the right person to receive it in 1, 5, 10 or 50 years'
time

Should she get it blessed?

Not necessarily. But if she is that worried about it by all means have it
blessed. As her father, you are perfectly entitled to do that.
I runga i te Whakapono o Ihu Karaiti
ka whakatapu e tatou tenei taonga
i runga i te ingoa o te Matua, o te Tama, o te Wairua Tapu.
(In the faith of Jesus Christ,
we bless this treasure
in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit)
But if you prefer, trot along to your local priest/minister/kaumatua. It
should take 2 minutes and will cost you nothing

Can anyone enlighten us on the correct (Maori) way of dealing with
pounamu? Thanks.

I am confident in what I have just told you but I would not presume to
any authority in the Maori world.

Yeah you can buy your own but its kind of a rule that the pounamu needs to
call to you to buy it, like you have to get a special feeling when your
trying to find it, like your drawned to it. Either that or let it be given
to you by someone else as a gift. And you dont have to have it blessed but
its good to get it done, you can get it blessed by anyone who knows the
tikanga of pounamo by doing a simple karakia. You cant let anyone else
wear your pounamu because its tapu/ not allowed because it carries your
mana in it and by doing so, you can curse the stone

What a load of superstitious nonsense.

[Dave Doe]

<snip>

Post by Allistar
What a load of superstitious nonsense.

Agreed, but he's responding to a post 16 years ago. I hope he's not
expecting a reply.

[Allistar]

Post by Dave Doe
<snip>

Post by Allistar
What a load of superstitious nonsense.

Agreed, but he's responding to a post 16 years ago. I hope he's not
expecting a reply.

I'm fed up with a world that pays respect to superstition. We live in a
society where it's frowned upon to ridicule or question superstition.
Ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. People should feel an intellectual
shame in believing in tapu, fairies, gods, unicorns.