Doomsday Scenario

[The Todal]

The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.

It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.

And here's how likely it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

[Incubus]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

'Beyond its state of disrepair, the building is all too obviously a
remnant of a predemocratic age. It was built not to welcome its populace
in, but to impress them with its fortress-like grandeur. It was designed
when women were, at best, crinoline-wearing spectators of parliamentary
life, consigned to the public gallery. With its chilly colonnades of
sculptures of male politicians, its heavy, ecclesiastical furnishings
and gentlemen’s-club atmosphere, it provides the perfect stage-set for
Britain’s "very aggressive, very masculine, very power-hoarding
democracy", as political scientist Matthew Flinders put it.'

A typical Guardian set piece, lamenting our terribly misogynistic,
colonialist past. It's just a shame they didn't manage to bring racism
into it (or perhaps they did; I didn't read that far).

[Byker]

Post by Incubus

Post by The Todal
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

'Beyond its state of disrepair, the building is all too obviously a
remnant of a predemocratic age. It was built not to welcome its populace
in, but to impress them with its fortress-like grandeur. It was designed
when women were, at best, crinoline-wearing spectators of parliamentary
life, consigned to the public gallery. With its chilly colonnades of
sculptures of male politicians, its heavy, ecclesiastical furnishings and
gentlemen’s-club atmosphere, it provides the perfect stage-set for Britain’s
"very aggressive, very masculine, very power-hoarding democracy", as
political scientist Matthew Flinders put it.'

Would it have been better had the Germans leveled it in WWII, to be replaced
by some horrid example of "modern" architecture (Bauhaus, Le Corbusier,
etc.)?

[harry]

Post by Byker

Post by Incubus

Post by The Todal
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

'Beyond its state of disrepair, the building is all too obviously a
remnant of a predemocratic age. It was built not to welcome its populace
in, but to impress them with its fortress-like grandeur. It was designed
when women were, at best, crinoline-wearing spectators of parliamentary
life, consigned to the public gallery. With its chilly colonnades of
sculptures of male politicians, its heavy, ecclesiastical furnishings and
gentlemen’s-club atmosphere, it provides the perfect stage-set for Britain’s
"very aggressive, very masculine, very power-hoarding democracy", as
political scientist Matthew Flinders put it.'

Would it have been better had the Germans leveled it in WWII, to be replaced
by some horrid example of "modern" architecture (Bauhaus, Le Corbusier,
etc.)?

Come back Guy Fawkes, all is forgiven!

[Col]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

10 reported fires a year??
Any other workplace with that kind of record would long since have been
condemned, closed and probably demolished.

This made me laugh though for obvious reasons.
"the palace is tatty, dirty and infested with vermin."

[Mike Swift]

Post by Col
This made me laugh though for obvious reasons.
"the palace is tatty, dirty and infested with vermin."

LOL, and that's only the MP's

Mike

[harry]

Post by Col

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

10 reported fires a year??
Any other workplace with that kind of record would long since have been
condemned, closed and probably demolished.
This made me laugh though for obvious reasons.
"the palace is tatty, dirty and infested with vermin."
--
Col

I hear it's full of asbestos too.

[PeteFJ]

Post by Col

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses
-of-parliament-are-falling-down

10 reported fires a year??
Any other workplace with that kind of record would long since have been
condemned, closed and probably demolished.
This made me laugh though for obvious reasons.
"the palace is tatty, dirty and infested with vermin."

Otherwise known as the Tory Party.

I'm sorry, but the opportunity was just too good to miss!
pfj

[Byker]

Post by The Todal
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

"It is a fire risk."

"It was designed when women were, at best, crinoline-wearing spectators..."

Fortunately for the ladies, crinolines are passé: http://rlu.ru/23Bku
“'Crinoline fires' killed 3,000 women between the late 1850s and late 1860s
in England. Women would lose sense of their circumference, step too close to
a fire grate, then flames would be fanned by oxygen circulating under their
skirts.": http://www.macleans.ca/culture/arts/deadly-victorian-fashions/

[JNugent]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

Doomsday?

For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

[Basil Jet]

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Surely Liverpool is the obvious choice, close to Wales, not too far from
Scotland, and already accustomed to thieves.

[Mike Swift]

Post by Basil Jet

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Surely Liverpool is the obvious choice, close to Wales, not too far from
Scotland, and already accustomed to thieves.

Liverpool, where if Britain ever needed an enema that's where they would
put the tube.

Mike

[Mike Swift]

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

Mike

[JNugent]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

The obvious choice is Winchester.

But it, like York (and to be fair, London), is probably a little too
eccentrically-located to function well as the capital.

[Ophelia]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

The obvious choice is Winchester.

But it, like York (and to be fair, London), is probably a little too
eccentrically-located to function well as the capital.

==

Nahhh too far dahn sahf ... innit?

[Mike Swift]

Post by JNugent

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

The obvious choice is Winchester.
But it, like York (and to be fair, London), is probably a little too eccentrically-
located to function well as the capital.
==
Nahhh too far dahn sahf ... innit?

One Yorkshire Rant.

I've never voted Labour although as a teenager I was somewhat left of
centre but grew up when I paid taxes and married and had a family, as I
suspect most people do.

There was a very interesting article in Saturday's Yorkshire Post by Dan
Jarvis, MP for Barnsley Central who advocated the One Yorkshire
devolution option, he argued that as an area we had the second largest
population after London and should be in control of our own
infrastructure etc., he argued against the Empire Building of local City
Regions such as the Sheffield one and suggesting that a whole Yorkshire
region would have more power, the very reason the London based control
freaks were so set against the idea.

I agree entirely, if all socialists were as sensible as him I might even
break the habit of a lifetime and vote Labour, but sadly with Corbyn in
charge that option is like pissing in the wind.

Mike

[Andy Walker]

Post by Mike Swift
There was a very interesting article in Saturday's Yorkshire Post by
Dan Jarvis, MP for Barnsley Central who advocated the One Yorkshire
devolution option, he argued that as an area we had the second
largest population after London and should be in control of our own
infrastructure etc., [...].

I pointed out many years ago, long before Brexit was a word,
that Nottinghamshire has many parallels with Luxembourg. Similar
population, area, geography, split between industrial and rural,
farm and forest, natural resources, history both factual and legend,
economy, transport links, art, literature, language, .... More, and
better, sport and armed forces. Our own TV channel; radio stations;
theatres; newspapers. Good food. Leading contender for European
City of Culture until the EU scuppered all UK entries.

The only important thing they have and we don't is a nation,
and with it the trappings of power -- esp within the EU. About time
that changed!

Independence for Nottinghamshire! The rest of the EMidlands
can join us if they like; and despite ancient rivalries, esp with
Sheffield and York, I'm sure we could come to a decent trade deal
with an independent Yorkshire.

[Ophelia]

Post by JNugent

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

The obvious choice is Winchester.
But it, like York (and to be fair, London), is probably a little too eccentrically-
located to function well as the capital.
==
Nahhh too far dahn sahf ... innit?

One Yorkshire Rant.

I've never voted Labour although as a teenager I was somewhat left of
centre but grew up when I paid taxes and married and had a family, as I
suspect most people do.

There was a very interesting article in Saturday's Yorkshire Post by Dan
Jarvis, MP for Barnsley Central who advocated the One Yorkshire
devolution option, he argued that as an area we had the second largest
population after London and should be in control of our own
infrastructure etc., he argued against the Empire Building of local City
Regions such as the Sheffield one and suggesting that a whole Yorkshire
region would have more power, the very reason the London based control
freaks were so set against the idea.

I agree entirely, if all socialists were as sensible as him I might even
break the habit of a lifetime and vote Labour, but sadly with Corbyn in
charge that option is like pissing in the wind.

Mike

===

Yes, I am afraid so:(

[Ophelia]

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?

Mike

===

Agree Absolutely!! Where else indeed!

[Col]

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?
Mike
===
Agree Absolutely!!  Where else indeed!

Or simply build a new one. It's been done before, Australia did it, so
did Brazil.
The obvious name for such a city would of course be 'Britannia' :)

[Vidcapper]

Post by Col

Post by Mike Swift

Post by JNugent
For those of us who would in any case prefer Parliament to sit in a more
central position in England (maybe somewhere around Meriden, though
Hebden Bridge has also been suggested, my suggestion is St Helens,
Lancs.), it sounds more like a wonderful outcome.

Eboracum, Jorvik, York, where else would the capital of England be?
Mike
===
Agree Absolutely!! Where else indeed!

Or simply build a new one. It's been done before, Australia did it, so
did Brazil.
The obvious name for such a city would of course be 'Britannia' :)

I can just imagine the snowflakes screaming 'racist' on that. :p

[Martin Brown]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.

I don't know. Forcing them to all live and work in Birmingham for a
while might get them to focus on parts of the country outside the M25.

Post by The Todal
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

They haven't been taking very good care of it have they?

[Col]

Post by Martin Brown

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.

I don't know. Forcing them to all live and work in Birmingham for a
while might get them to focus on parts of the country outside the M25.

Post by The Todal
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

They haven't been taking very good care of it have they?

Indeed not.
And the building is only around 150 years old, not that old at all by
British standards at least. There must be many town halls and other
public buildings still in use around the country of that age and older
and they don't seem to have fallen into such a degree of disrepair.

[pullgees]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

They should all fuck off to Salford next door to the BBC, then when the revolution comes we can wipe both shit houses out in one go.

[Ash Burton]

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-parliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

[finally ditched mimo]

Post by Ash Burton

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-p
arliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

The Guardian has not let a day go by since the referendum without including
at least two full page comment articles slagging off Brexit.

MPs will not mind moving to temporary accommodation, as long as they get
£1000 a day each in compensation for the disturbance.

[The Todal]

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by Ash Burton

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of-p
arliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

The Guardian has not let a day go by since the referendum without including
at least two full page comment articles slagging off Brexit.
MPs will not mind moving to temporary accommodation, as long as they get
£1000 a day each in compensation for the disturbance.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being pro or anti Brexit, as the
article makes clear. I suggest you read it.

It has everything to do with the consequences of losing our fine old
Wesminster parliament building and having to find a new building to
accommodate the MPs and all their hangers-on. And the fact that many old
Parliamentary traditions would probably not easily transplant to a new
building, so might be abandoned.

Good thing too, many would say. But for the traditionalists who value
these old rituals and customs, it would be a major blow to morale which
just happens to coincide with Brexit.

Would Black Rod have to visit a room in the QEII conference centre and
have a pair of modern fire doors slammed in his face?

[finally ditched mimo]

Post by The Todal

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by Ash Burton

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of
-p
arliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

The Guardian has not let a day go by since the referendum without including
at least two full page comment articles slagging off Brexit.
MPs will not mind moving to temporary accommodation, as long as they get
£1000 a day each in compensation for the disturbance.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being pro or anti Brexit, as the
article makes clear. I suggest you read it.

It’s always all about you, isn’t it?

I was commenting on the ability of the Guardian to regurgitate every problem
in a Brexit wrapper, every day for the last 18 months.

Another half-arsed article makes little difference.

Post by The Todal
It has everything to do with the consequences of losing our fine old
Wesminster parliament building and having to find a new building to
accommodate the MPs and all their hangers-on. And the fact that many old
Parliamentary traditions would probably not easily transplant to a new
building, so might be abandoned.
Good thing too, many would say. But for the traditionalists who value
these old rituals and customs, it would be a major blow to morale which
just happens to coincide with Brexit.
Would Black Rod have to visit a room in the QEII conference centre and
have a pair of modern fire doors slammed in his face?

Hopefully black rod would have it shoved up his arse.That should save the
taxpayer a few quid a year.

Do you really value old rituals or traditions? Or do you think telling
everyone that you do makes you appear superior?

Presumably, you wrote an angry letter to HRH telling them how their refusal
to honour the tradition of laying a wreath at the cenotaph had been a major
blow to your morale? Or are you all threats and no action, in case they open
a file on you as a potential troublemaker?

Do you sit in the cinema after a film, until everyone has gone, waiting to
ostentatiously stand to attention for the National Anthem; which never comes?

[The Todal]

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by The Todal

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by Ash Burton

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-of
-p
arliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

The Guardian has not let a day go by since the referendum without including
at least two full page comment articles slagging off Brexit.
MPs will not mind moving to temporary accommodation, as long as they get
£1000 a day each in compensation for the disturbance.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being pro or anti Brexit, as the
article makes clear. I suggest you read it.

It’s always all about you, isn’t it?
I was commenting on the ability of the Guardian to regurgitate every problem
in a Brexit wrapper, every day for the last 18 months.
Another half-arsed article makes little difference.

Post by The Todal
It has everything to do with the consequences of losing our fine old
Wesminster parliament building and having to find a new building to
accommodate the MPs and all their hangers-on. And the fact that many old
Parliamentary traditions would probably not easily transplant to a new
building, so might be abandoned.
Good thing too, many would say. But for the traditionalists who value
these old rituals and customs, it would be a major blow to morale which
just happens to coincide with Brexit.
Would Black Rod have to visit a room in the QEII conference centre and
have a pair of modern fire doors slammed in his face?

Hopefully black rod would have it shoved up his arse.That should save the
taxpayer a few quid a year.
Do you really value old rituals or traditions? Or do you think telling
everyone that you do makes you appear superior?
Presumably, you wrote an angry letter to HRH telling them how their refusal
to honour the tradition of laying a wreath at the cenotaph had been a major
blow to your morale? Or are you all threats and no action, in case they open
a file on you as a potential troublemaker?
Do you sit in the cinema after a film, until everyone has gone, waiting to
ostentatiously stand to attention for the National Anthem; which never comes?

Now that you've come, please use those tissues to clean up after
yourself. And don't do it in public again.

[finally ditched mimo]

Post by The Todal

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by The Todal

Post by finally ditched mimo

Post by Ash Burton

Post by The Todal
The doomsday scenario is that just as we leave the EU and take back
control of our destiny, our Parliament building is engulfed in fire
and/or flood and all our MPs have to decamp to some sort of bland new
conference centre for at least 10 years.
It would be a huge blow to national prestige and morale.
And here's how likely it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/01/a-tale-of-decay-the-houses-
of
-p
arliament-are-falling-down

Old news regurgitated in a Brexit wrapper.

The Guardian has not let a day go by since the referendum without including
at least two full page comment articles slagging off Brexit.
MPs will not mind moving to temporary accommodation, as long as they get
£1000 a day each in compensation for the disturbance.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with being pro or anti Brexit, as the
article makes clear. I suggest you read it.

It’s always all about you, isn’t it?
I was commenting on the ability of the Guardian to regurgitate every problem
in a Brexit wrapper, every day for the last 18 months.
Another half-arsed article makes little difference.

Post by The Todal
It has everything to do with the consequences of losing our fine old
Wesminster parliament building and having to find a new building to
accommodate the MPs and all their hangers-on. And the fact that many old
Parliamentary traditions would probably not easily transplant to a new
building, so might be abandoned.
Good thing too, many would say. But for the traditionalists who value
these old rituals and customs, it would be a major blow to morale which
just happens to coincide with Brexit.
Would Black Rod have to visit a room in the QEII conference centre and
have a pair of modern fire doors slammed in his face?

Hopefully black rod would have it shoved up his arse.That should save the
taxpayer a few quid a year.
Do you really value old rituals or traditions? Or do you think telling
everyone that you do makes you appear superior?
Presumably, you wrote an angry letter to HRH telling them how their refusal
to honour the tradition of laying a wreath at the cenotaph had been a major
blow to your morale? Or are you all threats and no action, in case they open
a file on you as a potential troublemaker?
Do you sit in the cinema after a film, until everyone has gone, waiting to
ostentatiously stand to attention for the National Anthem; which never comes?

Now that you've come, please use those tissues to clean up after
yourself. And don't do it in public again.

How quaint.

I see what you mean by maintaining old rituals.