How can one organ cause so much debate!?!

[Moishe Lipshitz]

Wrong. All men have it except those who have been altered in an unnatural
way. 85 % of the world's men are not circumcised.

I didn't mean that some men are BORN with out it, I mean, some men have
it some men had it removed...WHATEVER, it's a fucking peice of skin.
Some people have it, some don't. Jesus, men and thier dicks...wow.

All men have it unless it's removed. Well, if it's not important we can just
as well remove the labia minora and prepuce on 8 day old female infants. I'm
sure I can find numerous studies to indicate that it's good for their
health, it's certainly cleaner especially for a female, and will improve
sexual response when they're adults.

Hmm how many guys have you fucked? lol And are you sure they were
circumcised? Since you have admitted that you need to learn more it's
quite
possible that you couldn't even tell since in most men the foreskin is
back when
having sex.

Yeah, I know the difference. Don't insult my intelligence. I'm talking
about men I know and talk to...I don't know any men who weren't
circumcised at birth. My brothers, father, uncles, exboyfriends, my
husband, my nephew.

You've seen then all?!


That is what I was talking about. I've only had sex

with 3 different men and they all were also circumcised,

Hmm so I guess all Mormons are circumcised. Aren't you supposed to be
married out there before you can have sex?




I know there

were because I looked

Did you look closely?


AND it came up in conversations.

[Avenger]

I am genuinly curious!

Actually, circumcision doesnt cause much debate anywhere.

Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.

Howver, the topic causes a lot of debate from a small group who are
opposed to circumcision.

Nature and God are opposed to it as well as 85% of the world's men. We all
know who the small group is who want to push circumcision.



Some of these are civil libertarians who

believe the individual should decide, in adulthood, whether he wants to
keep his foreskin.

It's called informed consent. If you tried to circumcise a female it would
be considered a crime notwithstanding the fact that in females it might
actually be of some benefit sexually while in males circumcision causes a
50% loss in sexual function.



Some are convinced that the foreskin has some

erotic function,

It does but you wouldn't know that and NEVER will loser.


and is not merely the protective covering it appears

to be. These people often produce cogent arguments which,

Which is more than the primitive cutters can do. All they can do is quote
some nonsense from the Talmud about some old crazy yahoodie named Abraham
who cut off part of his cock. Since no one's buying that nonsense they have
their jew "doctors" pushing the health and cleanliness thing lol In that
case, females should be the first cut since they are naturally dirtier than
men.

Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research,

You couldn't understand scientific research. Every time someone publishes
something you pooh pooh it unless it coincides with your jew customs.



arguments based on emotion rather than reason,

Yep sounds like the cutters to me

conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Try debating me in public little boy where you must follow the rules of
debate and see how smart you are. The panel deciding who the winner of the
debate is would be chosen the same way a jury is chosen by eliminating any
biased "jurors" which would immediately disqualify any jew, muslim or
african who practises circumcision because none of those people can be
unbiased. Just as in a trial, the evidence, in this case scientific studies,
is very close and it takes a very intelligent person to sort it out and
determine which studies are more true. You see, just having a study which
shows circumcision is beneficial means nothing because cases are decided on
the weight and validity of the evidence. And in the case of circumcision
there is a presumption that the foreskin is a necessary part of the body
simply because it exists and was put there by Nature for a purpose. Any
argument you can make would be invalid unless you included circumcising
females in it as well.



One of

their most reprehensible faults is their dogmatic refusal to accept the
findings from over 30 scientific research studies which link foreskins
to the spread of HIV.

There are no studies idiot. If you know anything about contagious diseases
you would know that they are more virulent at the onset and become more
benign with time eg. syphilis, smallpox, plague etc AIDS has reached its
peak and has leveled off so circumcising men and then pointing out that
infection from AIDS has decreased would mean nothing since it was decreasing
anyway. At this point the people with the strongest immune systems and also
a natural immunity to the AIDS virus have survived and it's unlikely they
will contract it whether they're circumcised or not. Thre reason homosexuals
are the main group infected with AIDS is not just the mode of sexual contact
but also their weak immune systems caused by other non lethal sexually
transmitted diseases. It's a matter of numbers and sexual partners. When you
have a 1000 sexual partners(NY Times, look it up yourself) as opposed to the
7-8 among the average straight male you're bound to catch something.

[w***@aol.com]

"Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research, arguments based on emotion rather than reason,
conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Post by Avenger
Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.
Nature and God are opposed to it as well as 85% of the world's men. We all
know who the small group is who want to push circumcision.
All they can do is quote
some nonsense from the Talmud about some old crazy yahoodie named Abraham
who cut off part of his cock. Since no one's buying that nonsense they have
their jew "doctors" pushing the health and cleanliness thing lol >
You couldn't understand scientific research. Every time someone publishes
something you pooh pooh it unless it coincides with your jew customs.
Try debating me in public little boy where you must follow the rules of
debate and see how smart you are. The panel deciding who the winner of the
debate is would be chosen the same way a jury is chosen by eliminating any
biased "jurors" which would immediately disqualify any jew, muslim or
african who practises circumcision because none of those people can be
unbiased.
Dont take my word for it. Just watch, and all will be revealed.

And so it has come to pass. But wait, dear readers. You aint seen
nothing yet. For more crackpot comments, watch this space.

[Moishe Lipshitz]

Post by w***@aol.com
"Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research, arguments based on emotion rather than reason,
conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Stop the jew tactics. I'm one myself and know all the childish crap we pull
with the gentile. Do you really think you're fooling them?

Post by w***@aol.com

Post by Avenger
Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.
Nature and God are opposed to it as well as 85% of the world's men. We all
know who the small group is who want to push circumcision.
All they can do is quote
some nonsense from the Talmud about some old crazy yahoodie named Abraham
who cut off part of his cock. Since no one's buying that nonsense they have
their jew "doctors" pushing the health and cleanliness thing lol >
You couldn't understand scientific research. Every time someone publishes
something you pooh pooh it unless it coincides with your jew customs.
Try debating me in public little boy where you must follow the rules of
debate and see how smart you are. The panel deciding who the winner of the
debate is would be chosen the same way a jury is chosen by eliminating any
biased "jurors" which would immediately disqualify any jew, muslim or
african who practises circumcision because none of those people can be
unbiased.

The crackpots are the ritual cutters.

Post by w***@aol.com

Post by Avenger
Dont take my word for it. Just watch, and all will be revealed.

And so it has come to pass. But wait, dear readers. You aint seen
nothing yet. For more crackpot comments, watch this space.

Yeah wait dear readers and watch some infantile jew debating and tactics
haha But remember that the gentile has no ax to grind in the circumcision
controversy while to the jew it's a matter of life or death. You see, a jew
MUST be circumcised or he isn't considered a jew. Regardless of how much
science is against this mutilation a jew must still perform this ritual
appease the gods mutilation and will grasp at straws in an attempt to make
everyone think it's a beneficial procedure rather than it's true meaning
which is to control and dull the sex drive in men, much as some africans do
it for this purpose in females. So who is the real crackpot? The people who
just want to leave infants the way Nature intended then to be or the ritual
cutters. Cutting appears to be a big past time in the mid east whether it's
cutting foreskins, clitoris or heads off of people lol
I can make a list of what the jews will do to obfuscate and divert
discussions but I am prohibited by the Elders to do so but can only tell you
to take everything they say with a grain of salt. A grain about the size of
the rock of Gibralter lol

[Kadaitcha Man]

Moishe Lipshitz <***@lipshitz.nu>, the fat-assed moocher and gaudy
pickle kisser who likes extravagant knob-jockery with dogs, and whose
partner is a fast party with a disappointing cunt, wrote in

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Stop the jew tactics. I'm one myself and know all the childish crap
we pull with the gentile. Do you really think you're fooling them?

Why on earth would anyone want to fool you when you're doing such a great
job of it yourself?

[w***@aol.com]

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Stop the jew tactics. I'm one myself and know all the childish crap we pull
with the gentile. Do you really think you're fooling them?

LOL! Youre not jewish, youre just a raving crackpot pretending to be
jewish to make your points. Youre an antisemitic nutcase who sees
jews and jewish conspiracies everywhere.

Post by Moishe Lipshitz

Post by Avenger
Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.

LOL! Classic conspiracy theory from an antisemtic paranoid.

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Yeah wait dear readers and watch some infantile jew debating and tactics
haha
I can make a list of what the jews will do to obfuscate and divert
discussions but I am prohibited by the Elders to do so but can only tell you
to take everything they say with a grain of salt.

LOL! As I said earlier, the anti-circ side sure attracts a bunch of
crackpots!

[jake Waskett]

Post by w***@aol.com
LOL! As I said earlier, the anti-circ side sure attracts a bunch of
crackpots!

You're not wrong there, WH, but is this cause or effect (or, at a stretch,
coincidence)? Are crackpots particularly attracted to anti-circ ideas, or
do anti-circ ideas cause some kind of brain damage?

I suppose we'll never know.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by jake Waskett
You're not wrong there, WH, but is this cause or effect (or, at a stretch,
coincidence)? Are crackpots particularly attracted to anti-circ ideas, or
do anti-circ ideas cause some kind of brain damage?

It's odd that for lack of a better argument, you must reduce your opponent to
some sort of antisocial individual, someone less than human in your eyes. I
understand, Jake, that without a script you are useless at debate. However,
like most of the dregs of society, you must convince yourself that you are
holier than they, in order to continue your zealot methods of indoctrination.

No, Jake, pro-foreskin people are not "crackpots." Just as most people who
believe in cosmetic surgery--circumcision--are not crackpots. But we're
willing to give people choice over their bodies, while you're willing to take
choice away. Much like the anti violence, violent anti-abortion groups,
you're willing to mutilate to make a point.

Post by jake Waskett
I suppose we'll never know.

You already know. But you don't know any better.

[f***@verizon.net]

Post by jake Waskett

Post by w***@aol.com
LOL! As I said earlier, the anti-circ side sure attracts a bunch of
crackpots!

You're not wrong there, WH, but is this cause or effect (or, at a stretch,
coincidence)? Are crackpots particularly attracted to anti-circ ideas, or
do anti-circ ideas cause some kind of brain damage?
I suppose we'll never know.

IME, it's been that bigots will twist any truth to their purposes.
In this case, they take the fact that a lot of people are anti-circ
for what they consider to be valid reasons, and they use it as
a way to attack the Jews.

Ssuan

[f***@verizon.net]

Post by w***@aol.com
"Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research, arguments based on emotion rather than reason,
conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Post by Avenger
Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.

You can also tell who's a crackpot &/or Jew-hater because they will target
scj
exclusively - as opposed to including, say, any Islamic ng: there are more
of
them than us, & they also circ. But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target just us.

Susan

[Moishe The Nose]

Post by f***@verizon.net

Post by w***@aol.com
"Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research, arguments based on emotion rather than reason,
conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Post by Avenger
Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.

You can also tell who's a crackpot &/or Jew-hater because they will target
scj
exclusively - as opposed to including, say, any Islamic ng: there are more
of
them than us, & they also circ.

But they're also outside the US and outside our jurisdiction. When their
numbers in the US rise, both the muslims and jews will have to obey our
anti-mutilation Laws. We have no intention of permitting stone age people to
practise these barbaric and primitive "appease the gods" fertility rites.



But they are never included until someone

Post by f***@verizon.net
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target just us.

What do you mean by "us" white girl? Hey, shouldn't you be sucking Gary's
nice circumcised cock tonight? lol

Post by f***@verizon.net
Susan

[Tom]

"But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target
just us."

Not true, Susan. I hate the anti-semitism, just like you do. I call
Avenger on it, every time I read one of his posts, which admittedly is
less and less. Apart from being ugly and hateful towards people who
don't deserve it, he is also undermining the people he is purporting to
support, by making them look like lunatics.

[The Boss]

Post by Tom
"But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target
just us."
Not true, Susan. I hate the anti-semitism,

Why do you hate it I'd be interested to know? Do you also hate anyone who is
against other primitive cults? Do you also hate people who are
anti-communist, anti-feminist? The problem is that anyone who even
criticizes a Jewish practise however mildly is vilified as a Nazi equal to a
Hitler. Every other group on earth has been criticised a lot worse than the
Jews. Just because they arrogantly labeled themselves the "chosen people" in
typical Jew fashion doesn't mean anyone's buying it or that they're exempt
from criticism regardless of how many "anti-Jew" hate speech laws they try
to pass.


just like you do. I call

Post by Tom
Avenger on it, every time I read one of his posts, which admittedly is
less and less. Apart from being ugly and hateful towards people who
don't deserve it, he is also undermining the people he is purporting to
support, by making them look like lunatics.

So, to your mind, people who practise a stoneage cult which requires its
members to mutilate its males at 8 days old is normal but a person who
criticizes them is a lunatic. Do you really understand Judaism? According to
Judaism, a man MUST be circumcised to be a Jew. If we applied the same
standard to males as we do to female circumcision, which is a felony, all
Jewish parents and mohels would be committing a felony by circumcising an
infant. Why do you think they use every trick in the book, including bogus
science, to promote the idea that circumcision=good, healthy, clean etc Of
course, they are adamantly against any alteration of a female's sexual
organs regardless of how minor. Why is that? The answer is simple, according
to their mythology, Abraham,the first Jew, made a covenant with god and
circumcising males is allegedly a sign of this. I can assure you that if
"god" told Abraham to also circumcise females and that it was a requirement
to be a Jewish female, the Jews would come up with "scientific studies" to
show that this was beneficial as well and they'd be promoting it and
denigrating any female Jew or Gentile who was not circumcised.
There is no other religion on earth where it is written in their scriptures
that to be a member you must be circumcised if you are a male. No, it's not
in the Qur'an and coverts to Islam are not required to be circumcised. In
Muslim and African countries it's more a rite of passage into adulthood and
something to do with bravery and endurance much like the Indians of the
Southwest who endure tortures at puberty to prove they are men.

[Tom]

You can disagree with a group of people, and still be respectful of
them. Avenger is spewing hate, and disrespect, and there is no need
for either one. You, youself, insinuated that Jews are a "stoneage
cult". I don't think that Avenger and you,
The Boss, are lunatics. I think that you are pre-judging people. Some
of those people who belong to your "stoneage cult" are in the forefront
of the anti-circumcision movement, like Dr. Ronald Goldman of the
Circumcision Resource Center, and Dr. Paul Fleiss, who wrote Where is
My Foreskin?, Howard Stern, who never ceases to criticize circumcision,
etc. When you speak ill of a large group of people as if they are all
alike, you are dehumanizing them, and getting it wrong. People tune
out what you have to say, because they see the logic flaw right off the
bat, and decide that reading further is not worth it.
If you want to get your message across, stop disrespecting ethnic
groups.

[I Love Edsels]

Post by Tom
If you want to get your message across, stop disrespecting ethnic
groups.

Islam is not an ethnic group, it is a religion and a way of thinking.

[w***@aol.com]

Post by I Love Edsels

Post by Tom
If you want to get your message across, stop disrespecting ethnic
groups.

Islam is not an ethnic group, it is a religion and a way of thinking.

I love Studebakers, but you are quite right.

[Tom]

Jews are an ethnic group, and Avenger and The Boss were disrespecting
them.

[Avenger]

Post by Tom
You can disagree with a group of people, and still be respectful of
them. Avenger is spewing hate, and disrespect, and there is no need
for either one. You, youself, insinuated that Jews are a "stoneage
cult". I don't think that Avenger and you,
The Boss, are lunatics. I think that you are pre-judging people. Some
of those people who belong to your "stoneage cult"

I stand corrected. The religion is an ironage cult.


are in the forefront

Post by Tom
of the anti-circumcision movement, like Dr. Ronald Goldman of the
Circumcision Resource Center, and Dr. Paul Fleiss, who wrote Where is
My Foreskin?, Howard Stern,

And I bet that they're all circumcised and that their children are as well.
I'm not opposed to adults getting circumcised if they choose but if we're
going to view female circumcision regardless of how minor it is as
"mutilation" and a crime then male circumcision should be as well.
BTW, Howard is not a Jew. His mother isn't and Stern is his stepfather's
name.


who never ceases to criticize circumcision,

Post by Tom
etc. When you speak ill of a large group of people as if they are all
alike, you are dehumanizing them,

I'm speaking of a cult or religion.


and getting it wrong. People tune

Post by Tom
out what you have to say, because they see the logic flaw right off the
bat,

That's their problem if they're been brainwashed to such an extent that they
have a blind spot when it comes to the Jews and are unable to think
rationally in respect to them.


and decide that reading further is not worth it.

Post by Tom
If you want to get your message across, stop disrespecting ethnic
groups.

So you're saying that Jews are an ethnic group?

[w***@aol.com]

Post by Avenger
So you're saying that Jews are an ethnic group?

Are you capable of posting a single message here without mentioning
jews?

Nope. And the same applies to "Moishe Lipshitz" and The Boss. You
jew-crazed loonies float from group to group looking for someplace to
unload your crap. This group is just a vehicle for your real agenda.
Jewish circumcision is a fraction of a percent of all circumcision --
if circumcision was really your issue, you would be in the islamic
groups preaching to them.

You discredit and damage the anticirc side by your presence here. And
that gives no joy to the circ side either -- we would rather debate
with people whose real interest is circumcision. Just get lost.

[f***@verizon.net]

Post by w***@aol.com

Post by Avenger
So you're saying that Jews are an ethnic group?

Are you capable of posting a single message here without mentioning
jews?
Nope. And the same applies to "Moishe Lipshitz" and The Boss. You
jew-crazed loonies float from group to group looking for someplace to
unload your crap. This group is just a vehicle for your real agenda.
Jewish circumcision is a fraction of a percent of all circumcision --
if circumcision was really your issue, you would be in the islamic
groups preaching to them.

Thank you for saving me the trouble of repeating myself :-)

Susan

Post by w***@aol.com
You discredit and damage the anticirc side by your presence here. And
that gives no joy to the circ side either -- we would rather debate
with people whose real interest is circumcision. Just get lost.

[Tom]

Yes, the Jews are an ethnic group.
Thanks for setting back the pro-foreskin movement, by making them look
like bigots who are singling out ethnic groups to persecute, instead of
people looking to protect the basic civil rights of babies.

[f***@verizon.net]

Post by The Boss

Post by Tom
"But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target
just us."
Not true, Susan. I hate the anti-semitism,

Why do you hate it I'd be interested to know? Do you also hate anyone who is
against other primitive cults? Do you also hate people who are
anti-communist, anti-feminist? The problem is that anyone who even
criticizes a Jewish practise however mildly is vilified as a Nazi equal to a
Hitler.

This is, of course, a lie.
And thanks for admitting that not only did you deliberately ignore what I
wrote, but why you ignored it: you exemplify it.


Every other group on earth has been criticised a lot worse than

Post by The Boss
the
Jews.

Untrue, of course.

Post by The Boss
Just because they arrogantly labeled themselves the "chosen people"

Gee, like we really needed this ignorant lie to confirm what you already
confessed.

Post by The Boss
in
typical Jew fashion doesn't mean anyone's buying it or that they're exempt
from criticism regardless of how many "anti-Jew" hate speech laws they try
to pass.

And these even wilder lies pretty much wrap it up for this loser.

*plonk*

Susan

[Avenger]

Post by f***@verizon.net

Post by The Boss

Post by Tom
"But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target
just us."
Not true, Susan. I hate the anti-semitism,

Why do you hate it I'd be interested to know? Do you also hate anyone who is
against other primitive cults? Do you also hate people who are
anti-communist, anti-feminist? The problem is that anyone who even
criticizes a Jewish practise however mildly is vilified as a Nazi equal
to
a
Hitler.

This is, of course, a lie.
And thanks for admitting that not only did you deliberately ignore what I
wrote, but why you ignored it: you exemplify it.

Stop the blarney yenta and try to say it in English lol

Post by f***@verizon.net
Every other group on earth has been criticised a lot worse than

Post by The Boss
the
Jews.

Untrue, of course.

Post by The Boss
Just because they arrogantly labeled themselves the "chosen people"

Gee, like we really needed this ignorant lie to confirm what you already
confessed.

Susie take your medication, you're talking nonsense and you're not even
drunk.

Post by f***@verizon.net

Post by The Boss
in
typical Jew fashion doesn't mean anyone's buying it or that they're exempt
from criticism regardless of how many "anti-Jew" hate speech laws they try
to pass.

And these even wilder lies pretty much wrap it up for this loser.
*plonk*

For the trillionth time haha Hey, Susie just ignore me if you can lol

Post by f***@verizon.net
Susan

[f***@verizon.net]

Post by Avenger

Post by f***@verizon.net

Post by The Boss

Post by Tom
"But they are never included until someone
like
me points out how the bigot has exposed himself by trying to target
just us."
Not true, Susan. I hate the anti-semitism,

Why do you hate it I'd be interested to know? Do you also hate anyone
who
is
against other primitive cults? Do you also hate people who are
anti-communist, anti-feminist? The problem is that anyone who even
criticizes a Jewish practise however mildly is vilified as a Nazi equal
to
a
Hitler.

This is, of course, a lie.
And thanks for admitting that not only did you deliberately ignore what I
wrote, but why you ignored it: you exemplify it.

Stop the blarney yenta and try to say it in English lol

It never ceases to amaze me how *eager* these bigots are to proclaim
just how stupid (in this case, illiterate as well as unable to hide his
bigotry)
they are.

Susan

[Tom]

Sadly, no one should have to ignore you. Because of your ugly
behavior, everyone, pro and anti circ, ends up ignoring you. How does
it feel to alienate everybody?
Just so we're all clear on the subject.

[Avenger]

Post by Tom
Sadly, no one should have to ignore you. Because of your ugly
behavior, everyone, pro and anti circ, ends up ignoring you. How does
it feel to alienate everybody?
Just so we're all clear on the subject.

It's about as important to me as a gnat would be on an elephant's arse.

[Tom]

Avenger, what should be important to you, is that people who are
thinking about maybe circumcising their child, are hearing people like
you spout, and then deciding not to listen to the anti-circ side of the
argument. You are hurting the very cause you appear to be embracing.
But you are right. It is not important to you. Let 'em slice and
dice, as long as I have my fun. Is that it, Avenger?

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Tom
Avenger, what should be important to you, is that people who are
thinking about maybe circumcising their child, are hearing people like
you spout, and then deciding not to listen to the anti-circ side of the
argument.

It's pretty clear that is Avenger's plan. Plonk him and you'll feel
better.

Post by Tom
You are hurting the very cause you appear to be embracing.
But you are right. It is not important to you. Let 'em slice and
dice, as long as I have my fun. Is that it, Avenger?

[Tom]

Avenger, as soon as you start with the anti-semitism, no one listens to
you anymore.
All the valid points go out the window. This is coming from a man with
a foreskin, who agrees with most of your points. The anti-Jewish
sentiment is ugly, and undermines everything you say. If you want to
be heard, stop preaching hate.

Post by Avenger

I am genuinly curious!

Actually, circumcision doesnt cause much debate anywhere.

Except amongst jews who want to push it onto everyone else so they don't
look like the odd man out. Good way to blend in.

Howver, the topic causes a lot of debate from a small group who are
opposed to circumcision.

Nature and God are opposed to it as well as 85% of the world's men. We all
know who the small group is who want to push circumcision.
Some of these are civil libertarians who

believe the individual should decide, in adulthood, whether he wants to
keep his foreskin.

It's called informed consent. If you tried to circumcise a female it would
be considered a crime notwithstanding the fact that in females it might
actually be of some benefit sexually while in males circumcision causes a
50% loss in sexual function.
Some are convinced that the foreskin has some

erotic function,

It does but you wouldn't know that and NEVER will loser.
and is not merely the protective covering it appears

to be. These people often produce cogent arguments which,

Which is more than the primitive cutters can do. All they can do is quote
some nonsense from the Talmud about some old crazy yahoodie named Abraham
who cut off part of his cock. Since no one's buying that nonsense they have
their jew "doctors" pushing the health and cleanliness thing lol In that
case, females should be the first cut since they are naturally dirtier than
men.

Unfortunately there is another, rather larger group of complete
crackpots who take up the foreskin cause, and they are all too
apparent here. They include everything from antisemites to homosexual
smegmaphiles to foreskin fetishists of one kind or another. You will
know them by their posts, which are distinguished by contempt for
scientific research,

You couldn't understand scientific research. Every time someone publishes
something you pooh pooh it unless it coincides with your jew customs.
arguments based on emotion rather than reason,
Yep sounds like the cutters to me

conspiracy theories galore, ethnic insults, an inability to
distinguish opinion from fact, and juvenile "debating" tactics.

Try debating me in public little boy where you must follow the rules of
debate and see how smart you are. The panel deciding who the winner of the
debate is would be chosen the same way a jury is chosen by eliminating any
biased "jurors" which would immediately disqualify any jew, muslim or
african who practises circumcision because none of those people can be
unbiased. Just as in a trial, the evidence, in this case scientific studies,
is very close and it takes a very intelligent person to sort it out and
determine which studies are more true. You see, just having a study which
shows circumcision is beneficial means nothing because cases are decided on
the weight and validity of the evidence. And in the case of circumcision
there is a presumption that the foreskin is a necessary part of the body
simply because it exists and was put there by Nature for a purpose. Any
argument you can make would be invalid unless you included circumcising
females in it as well.
One of

their most reprehensible faults is their dogmatic refusal to accept the
findings from over 30 scientific research studies which link foreskins
to the spread of HIV.

There are no studies idiot. If you know anything about contagious diseases
you would know that they are more virulent at the onset and become more
benign with time eg. syphilis, smallpox, plague etc AIDS has reached its
peak and has leveled off so circumcising men and then pointing out that
infection from AIDS has decreased would mean nothing since it was decreasing
anyway. At this point the people with the strongest immune systems and also
a natural immunity to the AIDS virus have survived and it's unlikely they
will contract it whether they're circumcised or not. Thre reason homosexuals
are the main group infected with AIDS is not just the mode of sexual contact
but also their weak immune systems caused by other non lethal sexually
transmitted diseases. It's a matter of numbers and sexual partners. When you
have a 1000 sexual partners(NY Times, look it up yourself) as opposed to the
7-8 among the average straight male you're bound to catch something.

[Steve (NYC)]

http://www.jdl.org.il/

[Dr. Lipshitz]

Post by Steve (NYC)
http://www.jdl.org.il/

Shhh don't make waves.

[p***@gmail.com]

Moishe Lipshitz, I haven't said anything either way on this topic and
you are already being very abrasive and offensive, it doesn't bode well
for your side of the arguement.

Instead of jumping on me and being rude and offensive and accusatory
why don't you try to be polite and civil, maybe I will see your side of
the arguement better if I don't have to wade through personal attacks.

And when did I ever say I was mormon or all the men I was talking about
are mormon? I'm NOT mormon, some of my family is, some of my family is
catholic, some is protestant and I'm an atheist...

[jake Waskett]

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
All men have it unless it's removed. Well, if it's not important we can just
as well remove the labia minora and prepuce on 8 day old female infants. I'm
sure I can find numerous studies to indicate that it's good for their
health, it's certainly cleaner especially for a female, and will improve
sexual response when they're adults.

Please do, I've asked for examples of such studies on numerous occasions.

[Briar Rabbit]

Post by jake Waskett

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
All men have it unless it's removed. Well, if it's not important we can just
as well remove the labia minora and prepuce on 8 day old female infants. I'm
sure I can find numerous studies to indicate that it's good for their
health, it's certainly cleaner especially for a female, and will improve
sexual response when they're adults.

Please do, I've asked for examples of such studies on numerous occasions.

Don't hold your breath ... the skin freaks can't deliver.

[p***@gmail.com]

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
All men have it unless it's removed.

How is that different then what I said? I said: "some men have
it some men had it removed..."

Post by Moishe Lipshitz
Well, if it's not important we can just
as well remove the labia minora and prepuce on 8 day old female infants. I'm
sure I can find numerous studies to indicate that it's good for their
health, it's certainly cleaner especially for a female, and will improve
sexual response when they're adults.

When did I EVER say it wasn't important. I am here to learn more about
this, not get attacked, picked on and have smart ass things said to me.
The only people who have been respectful and have made sane responses
to me are people who are ok with circumcision. I find this very
telling.

So I suggest you guys take a deep breath, I'm open here to listen to
all arguements and make my decision about this based on what I learn.
But if you guys don't knock off the childish and knee-jerk responses I
don't see any point in even listening to you.