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Farenheit 9/11 -> pangborn spins, lies and parses
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p_j
2004-06-28 20:01:49 UTC
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And distorted by clever editing in some cases, at least according to the
people being interviewed.
When? Where's the beef?
As for the live footage it speaks for itself.
If you actually believe that Clint you're even more stupid than I
thought.
Yeah, that live footage. What a pack of lies. Maybe the White House
should claim that it was faked the way they claimed Letterman altered
footage of a campaign speech by your deity Bush. Unfortunately, they
were lying and they took on Letterman. Guess who won.
The claims the film makes is not factual in several places. We can start
with the claim that Bush helped the Bin Laden family get out on 9-11 when
all other planes were grounded.
LMAO. No it doesn't. Another straw man from the sexual deviant who
refers to his many wives as "discards."
Simply 100% bullshit! Bullshit from front
to back!
Good job mighty kookla. Destroy that straw man. You are a mighty
defender of... uh, well, what are you defending?
No planes left on 9-11.
Just beat that straw man to death big boy.
A plane left on 9-13
Which ironically, the White House first denied. Why don't you tell us
when flight restrictions were lifted big boy?
but.... BUT..........
BUT.. it was members of the Saudi ROYAL
FAMILY....................................... 100% WRONG and DELIBERATELKY
WRONG!
You are astonishingly powerful against straw men. Bush would be proud.
Moore has been told that! He made the charges anyway!
Nice frosting on that piece of Yellowcake. "He has been told." lol...
Example: Bush is sitting in the Florida classroom and is told the
'nation has been attacked' (what I remember of the exact wording).
Granted, Moore's words on the voice assuming that was what the
secret service staff member whispered into Bush's ear as but the
footage showing Bush sitting there dumbfounded speaks louder
than Moore's voice over.
Andy Card and NOT the FBI, CIA, or Secret Service told him......... "We
think the United States is under attack."
Interesting. Of course Bush was notified much earlier of a plane crash.
Why he watched it on television even though it wasn't broadcast on
televsion.
Of course Clint you and Mike
Moore would have known EXACTLY what to do.
I've never met Clinton, but I doubt he would read "My Pet Goat." I have
to wonder how many Americans given the duty of being President would
fill it with photo-ops, fund-raising and vacationing.
Both of you would have run from
the building screaming like a girl and panicked the entire nation.
LMAO... or left the building.
Remember,
Bush was being seen live on the network morning shows at that event and he
knew it.
So, he shouldn't have gone to work or given the impression that there
was any problem. OK. Makes sense.
I think he needed a bit more than a 3 second whisper to have known
what was going on.
Which he had.
Was what Card telling him accurate or a guess.
Yeah, ignore Card, maybe the second plane hitting the second tower was a
coincidence. Good point.
OF COURSE
you KNEW at the time. I don'/t know why bush didn't consult you or say.
"SHIT I have to cal Michael Moroe to find out what I should do HE KNOWS!"
Yeah, read "My Pet Goat."
Actually, by showing that footage Moore actually helps disprove
the 'Bush knew' suppositions as any human being could read the
look he had on his face and never conclude that Bush is the
greatest actor the screen has ever seen.
It disproves many of Moore's claims.
Such as?
But I doubt the had left will
realize that or Moore himself.
It disproved your claim that the Taliban came to Texas, Karzai wasn't
linked to the oil industry and that the country isn't strategically
important.
Secondly, Moore states only one member of Congress has a child
serving in the U.S. military. This sets up a classic opportunity of the
type Moore is becoming known for as he attempts to conduct
live interviews with members of Congress while walking into the
senate.
But Moore FAILS to ask how many of them HAVE HAD kids who served in the
military.... Care to guess?????? You can propagandize by asking selective
questions.
Tell us and be sure and provide a url. And let us know if their
"service" is jumping ahead of other guardsmen to fly planes in Texas'
champagne unit. Hey did you hear that the AP is suing for records and
the National Guard is breaking the law and refusing? Gosh, I thought
that they were all released. Huh.
Again, a priceless moment that established the facts live and in real
time as captured on video. Those types of scenese throughout the
film are extremely powerful.
What FACTS?? WHAT FACTS?
Lots of 'em you sick fat pervert. Hey, how is that work going for Kerry
in Florida?
There are many such illustrations throughout the film but I just don't
see where Moore was supposed to have made up the facts.
Illustrating WHAT? Of WHAT possible significane were those SATUPID
STUPID questions? Think about it.. For christ's sake man THINK!
Yeah.
So, are you suggesting Bush did not sit in the classroom dumfounded
while America burned?
Yeah I'd say that he was very conflicted. KNOWING he was on national TV
on ALL the channels.
Ooooh, that's a nice invention. Where was it carried? Anywhere?
He needed more information, he looked vey worries and
wanted more info from his staff.
lol... yeah, he needs someone to tell him what to do.
Only a complete clown would think that
ANYONE would have known what to do.
Yeah, just because they have all those rules and procedures, its silly
to think that anyone would know about those. Hell, just getting to a
phone would make sense. And even better, getting away from the children
would make sense. If your lie about it being covered on "EVERY" channel
were true, he could be helping the terrorists who for some strange
reason like Florida so much.
What he did NOT do is get up and start
running and screaming like a girl... You sit and look puzzled.
Hmmmmmmm... and what do you do for a living? You're a trial consultant
for pedophiles and rapists. And you can't think of any other choices
rather than those two, both of which are pretty bad.
Because
somebody whispered, "I think we're under attack." Now what in the hell is
THAT suppsoed to mean?
lol... he could have asked him about - you know - what was going on. He
could have scrambled NORAD. But NOOOOOO...
You are PRESIDENT of the United States.... Do you RUN
out of the room?
Walk?
Do you make an excuse...Or do you convey that all is under
control but desperately want to know what in the hell is REALLY going on?
What?
You want to find out, but know the entire world is watching you. Do you have
a Michael Moore moment and PANIC? Or as a member of the human race are you
conflicted?
hehhehehehehehhehehhehheehheh... oh man, is there nothing you won't do
for Bush?
Are you suggesting Moore was lying about there being but one 'kid of a
Congressman' in the U.S. military?
Uh, actually YES!!!!!!!!! Oh he was technically correct. That at THAT
time only one had a child in the military. But MANY more than one had
children who HAD served, or they had served themselves. What is the STUPID
POINT here? What point are you AND Moore trying to make??? Spit it out
Clint.
It's not hard to figure out.
What 'facts' do you accuse Moore of fabricating?
I think we covered two here. How many do I need to expose? Moore HIMSELF
agrees it is PROPAGANDA!
Where?
Dave Rasmussen
2004-06-28 22:24:09 UTC
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for fahrenheit 911 parties which are organized nationwide go to
http//action.moveonpac.org/f911/
clintonG
2004-06-28 22:30:03 UTC
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The whole issue of Bush giving orders to pick up the bin Laden
and Saud family members and help them escape from the country
without being subjected to questions from law enforcement was
clearly an act of obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and other
such charges that have been levied in court by surviving family
members.

I don't know if those are the exact charges of course but the
point is that if nobody is above the law George Bush and his
whole administration must be brought to trial.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development
Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA
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URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
Post by p_j
And distorted by clever editing in some cases, at least according to the
people being interviewed.
When? Where's the beef?
As for the live footage it speaks for itself.
If you actually believe that Clint you're even more stupid than I
thought.
Yeah, that live footage. What a pack of lies. Maybe the White House
should claim that it was faked the way they claimed Letterman altered
footage of a campaign speech by your deity Bush. Unfortunately, they
were lying and they took on Letterman. Guess who won.
The claims the film makes is not factual in several places. We can start
with the claim that Bush helped the Bin Laden family get out on 9-11 when
all other planes were grounded.
LMAO. No it doesn't. Another straw man from the sexual deviant who
refers to his many wives as "discards."
Simply 100% bullshit! Bullshit from front
to back!
Good job mighty kookla. Destroy that straw man. You are a mighty
defender of... uh, well, what are you defending?
No planes left on 9-11.
Just beat that straw man to death big boy.
A plane left on 9-13
Which ironically, the White House first denied. Why don't you tell us
when flight restrictions were lifted big boy?
but.... BUT..........
BUT.. it was members of the Saudi ROYAL
FAMILY....................................... 100% WRONG and DELIBERATELKY
WRONG!
You are astonishingly powerful against straw men. Bush would be proud.
Moore has been told that! He made the charges anyway!
Nice frosting on that piece of Yellowcake. "He has been told." lol...
Example: Bush is sitting in the Florida classroom and is told the
'nation has been attacked' (what I remember of the exact wording).
Granted, Moore's words on the voice assuming that was what the
secret service staff member whispered into Bush's ear as but the
footage showing Bush sitting there dumbfounded speaks louder
than Moore's voice over.
Andy Card and NOT the FBI, CIA, or Secret Service told him......... "We
think the United States is under attack."
Interesting. Of course Bush was notified much earlier of a plane crash.
Why he watched it on television even though it wasn't broadcast on
televsion.
Of course Clint you and Mike
Moore would have known EXACTLY what to do.
I've never met Clinton, but I doubt he would read "My Pet Goat." I have
to wonder how many Americans given the duty of being President would
fill it with photo-ops, fund-raising and vacationing.
Both of you would have run from
the building screaming like a girl and panicked the entire nation.
LMAO... or left the building.
Remember,
Bush was being seen live on the network morning shows at that event and he
knew it.
So, he shouldn't have gone to work or given the impression that there
was any problem. OK. Makes sense.
I think he needed a bit more than a 3 second whisper to have known
what was going on.
Which he had.
Was what Card telling him accurate or a guess.
Yeah, ignore Card, maybe the second plane hitting the second tower was a
coincidence. Good point.
OF COURSE
you KNEW at the time. I don'/t know why bush didn't consult you or say.
"SHIT I have to cal Michael Moroe to find out what I should do HE KNOWS!"
Yeah, read "My Pet Goat."
Actually, by showing that footage Moore actually helps disprove
the 'Bush knew' suppositions as any human being could read the
look he had on his face and never conclude that Bush is the
greatest actor the screen has ever seen.
It disproves many of Moore's claims.
Such as?
But I doubt the had left will
realize that or Moore himself.
It disproved your claim that the Taliban came to Texas, Karzai wasn't
linked to the oil industry and that the country isn't strategically
important.
Secondly, Moore states only one member of Congress has a child
serving in the U.S. military. This sets up a classic opportunity of the
type Moore is becoming known for as he attempts to conduct
live interviews with members of Congress while walking into the
senate.
But Moore FAILS to ask how many of them HAVE HAD kids who served in the
military.... Care to guess?????? You can propagandize by asking selective
questions.
Tell us and be sure and provide a url. And let us know if their
"service" is jumping ahead of other guardsmen to fly planes in Texas'
champagne unit. Hey did you hear that the AP is suing for records and
the National Guard is breaking the law and refusing? Gosh, I thought
that they were all released. Huh.
Again, a priceless moment that established the facts live and in real
time as captured on video. Those types of scenese throughout the
film are extremely powerful.
What FACTS?? WHAT FACTS?
Lots of 'em you sick fat pervert. Hey, how is that work going for Kerry
in Florida?
There are many such illustrations throughout the film but I just don't
see where Moore was supposed to have made up the facts.
Illustrating WHAT? Of WHAT possible significane were those SATUPID
STUPID questions? Think about it.. For christ's sake man THINK!
Yeah.
So, are you suggesting Bush did not sit in the classroom dumfounded
while America burned?
Yeah I'd say that he was very conflicted. KNOWING he was on national TV
on ALL the channels.
Ooooh, that's a nice invention. Where was it carried? Anywhere?
He needed more information, he looked vey worries and
wanted more info from his staff.
lol... yeah, he needs someone to tell him what to do.
Only a complete clown would think that
ANYONE would have known what to do.
Yeah, just because they have all those rules and procedures, its silly
to think that anyone would know about those. Hell, just getting to a
phone would make sense. And even better, getting away from the children
would make sense. If your lie about it being covered on "EVERY" channel
were true, he could be helping the terrorists who for some strange
reason like Florida so much.
What he did NOT do is get up and start
running and screaming like a girl... You sit and look puzzled.
Hmmmmmmm... and what do you do for a living? You're a trial consultant
for pedophiles and rapists. And you can't think of any other choices
rather than those two, both of which are pretty bad.
Because
somebody whispered, "I think we're under attack." Now what in the hell is
THAT suppsoed to mean?
lol... he could have asked him about - you know - what was going on. He
could have scrambled NORAD. But NOOOOOO...
You are PRESIDENT of the United States.... Do you RUN
out of the room?
Walk?
Do you make an excuse...Or do you convey that all is under
control but desperately want to know what in the hell is REALLY going on?
What?
You want to find out, but know the entire world is watching you. Do you have
a Michael Moore moment and PANIC? Or as a member of the human race are you
conflicted?
hehhehehehehehhehehhehheehheh... oh man, is there nothing you won't do
for Bush?
Are you suggesting Moore was lying about there being but one 'kid of a
Congressman' in the U.S. military?
Uh, actually YES!!!!!!!!! Oh he was technically correct. That at THAT
time only one had a child in the military. But MANY more than one had
children who HAD served, or they had served themselves. What is the STUPID
POINT here? What point are you AND Moore trying to make??? Spit it out
Clint.
It's not hard to figure out.
What 'facts' do you accuse Moore of fabricating?
I think we covered two here. How many do I need to expose? Moore HIMSELF
agrees it is PROPAGANDA!
Where?
krp
2004-06-29 02:45:44 UTC
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Post by clintonG
The whole issue of Bush giving orders to pick up the bin Laden
and Saud family members and help them escape from the country
without being subjected to questions from law enforcement was
clearly an act of obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and other
such charges that have been levied in court by surviving family
members.
Small problem DIPSHIT...................... NEVER HAPPENED!!!!


MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Robert Gautier
2004-06-29 17:53:22 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by clintonG
The whole issue of Bush giving orders to pick up the bin Laden
and Saud family members and help them escape from the country
without being subjected to questions from law enforcement was
clearly an act of obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, and other
such charges that have been levied in court by surviving family
members.
Small problem DIPSHIT...................... NEVER HAPPENED!!!!
MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Kenneth just happened to misplace his proof of this claim.
krp
2004-06-29 21:24:03 UTC
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Post by Robert Gautier
Post by krp
MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Kenneth just happened to misplace his proof of this claim.
Not it has been proved......... The full article on the flight appeared in
the St. Petersburg Times Davey. Do you need me to prove you are insane yet
AGAIN?
They were NOT the Bin Ladens it was the Saud family on that flight. BOO HOO
WEENIE!
buckethead
2004-06-29 23:26:11 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Robert Gautier
Post by krp
MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Kenneth just happened to misplace his proof of this claim.
Not it has been proved......... The full article on the flight appeared in
the St. Petersburg Times Davey. Do you need me to prove you are insane yet
AGAIN?
They were NOT the Bin Ladens it was the Saud family on that flight. BOO
HOO WEENIE!
A liberal lying liar who supports bush. You are a pudgey thing, Kenny.
krp
2004-06-30 14:02:00 UTC
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STALKER NEW NAME
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
Post by Robert Gautier
Post by krp
MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Kenneth just happened to misplace his proof of this claim.
Not it has been proved......... The full article on the flight appeared in
the St. Petersburg Times Davey. Do you need me to prove you are insane yet
AGAIN? > > They were NOT the Bin Ladens it was the Saud family on that
flight. BOO
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
HOO WEENIE!
A liberal lying liar who supports bush. You are a pudgey thing, Kenny.
They shrunk your brain. Why crossposting into the Cuba newsgroup? So Carol
can post there again too?
SHE WILL!
Carol Lee Smith
2004-06-30 14:21:20 UTC
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Post by krp
STALKER NEW NAME
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
Post by Robert Gautier
Post by krp
MOORE LIED HIS ASS OFF ABOUT IT KNOWINGLY! NEVER HAPPENED!
Kenneth just happened to misplace his proof of this claim.
Not it has been proved......... The full article on the flight appeared
in
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
the St. Petersburg Times Davey. Do you need me to prove you are insane
yet
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
AGAIN? > > They were NOT the Bin Ladens it was the Saud family on that
flight. BOO
Post by buckethead
Post by krp
HOO WEENIE!
A liberal lying liar who supports bush. You are a pudgey thing, Kenny.
They shrunk your brain. Why crossposting into the Cuba newsgroup? So Carol
can post there again too?
SHE WILL!
Can you give us a good reason why I should remove newsgroups which are
already included?

In order to censor?

I will leave the censorship to you, Kenny.

ps: Hi, Cuba newsgroup!


" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-06-30 14:28:58 UTC
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COSSPOSTING to some NEW newsgroups Carol?

DESPERATE to start a pissing contest Carol?????
HOW many newsgroups do you want to add to your INSANE left wing SCREED
Carol? Feeling the election slip through your buttery fingers now? Bad
enough to drudge up TWO MONTH OLD posts to try to restart your incendiary
BULLSHIT!

Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY fly out of the US on
9-11???????

Get back to me on the PRECISE number will ya!
Carol Lee Smith
2004-06-30 14:56:51 UTC
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Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.

Do you?


" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-06-30 14:58:40 UTC
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GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Carol Lee Smith
2004-06-30 15:21:38 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004,

krp again performs the miracle of snipping away that

to which he doesn't reply.
Post by krp
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Shouting again?

Take a pill, Kenny.



" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-01 17:16:49 UTC
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Post by krp
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Something more to enrich Pangborn/Pigbarn's "his-teria."

Michael Moore on Charlie Rose:

http://www.charlierose.com/index.shtm
p_j
2004-07-04 22:19:41 UTC
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Can anyone go talk to Ken Pangborn, otherwise known as Pigbarn and an
admitted defender of pedophiles and rapists.

He keeps making bizarre rants and his progeny may be in danger. He has
had several wives who he refers to as discards and it has been alleged
that he purchased his last wife and she may not be able to defend
herself.
Kenpangborn
2004-07-05 17:07:53 UTC
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Now for something COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL
Newsgroups: milw.general, fl.general, soc.men, soc.culture.cuba
Can anyone go talk to Ken Pangborn, otherwise known as Pigbarn and an
admitted defender of pedophiles and rapists.
Yes, people of reasonable intelligence can and DO every day. It is only people
with their heads embedded inb their colons like you who have problems.
He has had several wives who he refers to as discards and it has been alleged
that he purchased his last wife and she may not be able to defend herself.

Hmmm SEVERAL what constitutes a FLOCK in your opinion asswipe? Who has
"ALLEGED" the purchase?
Emma Goldwoman
2004-07-03 18:12:22 UTC
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Post by krp
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Ken Pangborn, What would you know about getting a life?
krp
2004-07-04 01:08:06 UTC
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Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Ken Pangborn, What would you know about getting a life?
Oh gee a NEW Google name Davey. Where is good ole Gospel Gus and the DOZENS
of others when you really need them, eh loser?

How many new names TODAY Davey??
Emma Goldwoman
2004-07-07 20:48:51 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE CAROL!
Ken Pangborn, What would you know about getting a life?
Oh gee a NEW Google name Davey. Where is good ole Gospel Gus and the DOZENS
of others when you really need them, eh loser?
How many new names TODAY Davey??
I have no clue how many new names he has. I have no clue how
many new names you have.

I do know he doesn't have mine.

EG
krp
2004-07-07 22:57:51 UTC
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INTERNET STALKER LOW LIFE
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Oh gee a NEW Google name Davey. Where is good ole Gospel Gus and the DOZENS
of others when you really need them, eh loser?
How many new names TODAY Davey??
I have no clue how many new names he has. I have no clue how
many new names you have.
I do know he doesn't have mine.
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
p_j
2004-07-08 15:17:13 UTC
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Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you
Hey, you disgusting pervert, remember when you accused me of being a
woman posting from Oregon? Part of your supersleuthing was because I
used a Macintosh computer.

What is it you do for a living?
Emma Goldwoman
2004-07-09 06:28:17 UTC
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Post by krp
INTERNET STALKER LOW LIFE
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Oh gee a NEW Google name Davey. Where is good ole Gospel Gus and the
DOZENS
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
of others when you really need them, eh loser?
How many new names TODAY Davey??
I have no clue how many new names he has. I have no clue how
many new names you have.
I do know he doesn't have mine.
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.

And I don't know Foberto Gautier.

You are such a jackass, pigbarn.

But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.

EG
krp
2004-07-09 13:06:10 UTC
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Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.
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I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
Davey

You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
OF COPURSE NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
You are such a jackass, pigbarn.
You post using preposterous names and you say that *I* am the jackass? And
you devote 100% of your posts to a jackass? What in the hell do you think
that says about YOU dipshit? Not to mention the infantile namecalling.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.

Yes LOTS is "written" mostly by you! It's BULLSHIT but you LIVE to
manufacture it, don't you? You see, apart from ME, you have NO LIFE
whatsoever! NONE!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
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Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I
am not Davey

And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet Users!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am
not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I
am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I
am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I
am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I
am not Davey> I am not Davey

BULLSHIT!!!
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-09 16:40:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says who, You? With your track record, who gives you any credence?
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
OF COPURSE NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
You love it. You thrive on the attention.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
You are such a jackass, pigbarn.
You post using preposterous names and you say that *I* am the jackass? And
you devote 100% of your posts to a jackass? What in the hell do you think
that says about YOU dipshit? Not to mention the infantile namecalling.
Now that is a knee-slapper.

Ken Pangborn accusing someone else of name-calling?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Post by Emma Goldwoman
But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.
Yes LOTS is "written" mostly by you!
No one is responsible for your choice of pseudonyms except you, Kenny.
It's BULLSHIT but you LIVE to
manufacture it, don't you? You see, apart from ME, you have NO LIFE
whatsoever! NONE!
<snip>
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet Users!
Who expects to be believed by all 900 million, Kenny?

"It was NOT the Bin Ladens. That is a MADE UP FALSEHOOD! They were
members of the Saudi Royal family and NOT Bin Ladens." --Ken Pangborn
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not
<snip>
BULLSHIT!!!
That is what we hear, every time you open your usenet mouth, Kenny.

Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.

The Kerry campaign has been alerted that with friends like Kenny,
they
don't need enemies.

" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-07-10 00:26:36 UTC
Permalink
STILL WILDLY CROSSPOSTING!
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says who, You? With your track record, who gives you any credence?
More people than do for you Carol.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
OF COURSE NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
You love it. You thrive on the attention.
Carol, as silly as that comment IS, remember something.......... YOU
GIVE IT TO ME! Now, brainiac what does that say about YOU??
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.
Yes LOTS is "written" mostly by you!
No one is responsible for your choice of pseudonyms except you, Kenny.
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one. What I find MOST amusing about YOU is
how you blame ME for creating the crossposts from my AOL account... WHen AOL
does NOT allow crossposting! Nice try Carol... No cigar!
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet Users!
Who expects to be believed by all 900 million, Kenny?
The EXAC T claim was that the "VAST MAJORITY OF USENET USERS" believe
the claim. Not sure what the VAST majority would be except that a majority
would be something over 450 million. Think you have that many Carol? Maybe
250 million? 100 Million?
Post by Carol Lee Smith
"It was NOT the Bin Ladens. That is a MADE UP FALSEHOOD! They were
members of the Saudi Royal family and NOT Bin Ladens." --Ken Pangborn
The ONE flight on 9-13 had NO Bin Ladens on it Carol. The member sof the
bin Laden family did NOT begin to leave the U.S. untiol; AFTER commercial
aviation resumed. NOT on 9-11 by George W. Bush's orders as Michael Moore
originally claimed, NOT on the 12th and NOT on the 13th. With all your
MOUTH you have yet to prove differently in any CREDIBLE way..
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 01:38:26 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Kenny "kpr" Pangborn wildly cross-posted, shouting in
Post by krp
STILL WILDLY CROSSPOSTING!
<snip altercation with EG>
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
No one is responsible for your choice of pseudonyms except you, Kenny.
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one. What I find MOST amusing about YOU is
how you blame ME for creating the crossposts from my AOL account... WHen AOL
does NOT allow crossposting! Nice try Carol... No cigar!
I said the archives show who added which groups. I did not accuse you of
adding certain groups. I can see very well who added what.

You crossposted this message to which I reply. If you used an aol
account, then what you are claiming is not true. If you are replying via
aol it obviously doesn't prevent you from replying to five groups--five
groups which were added by someone else, not me.

Now about any accusation you claim I made?

Provide proof.

I said I can tell who added which groups. The archives allow me to do
that.

That is not the same as saying words to the effect that you were the
culprit.

Are you that reading challenged?
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet
Users! >
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Who expects to be believed by all 900 million, Kenny?
The EXAC T claim was that the "VAST MAJORITY OF USENET USERS" believe
the claim. Not sure what the VAST majority would be except that a majority
would be something over 450 million. Think you have that many Carol? Maybe
250 million? 100 Million?
That is your strawman obfuscation. I doubt anything I write is seen by
all 900 million (your number, not mine). And who expects to be believed
by all 900 million when hardly anyone sees the messages. Except, of
course, anyone looking for such information. Such as your grandkids,
potential clients, friends, neighbors, employers, members of the Kerry
campaign, et. al.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
"It was NOT the Bin Ladens. That is a MADE UP FALSEHOOD! They were
members of the Saudi Royal family and NOT Bin Ladens." --Ken Pangborn
The ONE flight on 9-13 had NO Bin Ladens on it Carol. The member sof the
bin Laden family did NOT begin to leave the U.S. untiol; AFTER commercial
aviation resumed. NOT on 9-11 by George W. Bush's orders as Michael Moore
originally claimed, NOT on the 12th and NOT on the 13th. With all your
MOUTH you have yet to prove differently in any CREDIBLE way..
You have yet to prove that Michael Moore claimed that any flight(s) left
the U.S. on 9/11.

But you are invited to try to prove it.

Any time, Kenny.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
And the Kerry campaign have been warned.


" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-07-10 11:57:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Kenny "kpr" Pangborn wildly cross-posted, shouting in
upper case letters:

Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL doesn't
allow crossposts.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
STILL WILDLY CROSSPOSTING!
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one. What I find MOST amusing about YOU is
how you blame ME for creating the crossposts from my AOL account... WHen AOL
does NOT allow crossposting! Nice try Carol... No cigar!
I said the archives show who added which groups. I did not accuse you of
adding certain groups. I can see very well who added what.
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others. You WHINE a bit too
loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role. I somebody holding a gun
to your head MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts? Spare
me your disingenuous bullshit. You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this, what
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent the
institution? I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism, but think of a parent evaluating where to send their
child looking at your wild posts. Or better think of a foundation
considering an endowment to a university. Do you think that a board member
of a foundation or corporation is going to look at your little vendetta
emanating from the university's system, and believe that UWM is worthy of a
large grant? I know it never dawns on you, you lack the capacity to
understand it, that every post you make from the UWM system DOES represent
the university whether you intend for it to do so or not. It isn't even a
matter of whether in the ultimate truth of the universe you are right or
wrong, Carol, you bring disrepute on the University! You see Carol, posting
from a University system gives you the aura of Academic correctness. No
matter how much bullshit your posts are, that they come from a University to
many people they carry some aura of correctness that NONE of your posts
deserve. So, like it or not, as you post, many people presume you ARE
speaking for the University! Now apply this to you continuing to crosspost.
You elect to do that, you try to blame me, you try to blame others, or the
devil makes you do it. You have a unique inability to ever takes
responsibility for anything you do or say. Of course, for me, there is NO
surprise in that. That is inherent in the nature of extremists of the right
and left. The blame is always to others.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 17:32:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, krp wildly crossposting to
milw.general,
soc.men,
wi.general,
alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Kenny "kpr" Pangborn wildly cross-posted, shouting in
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL doesn't
allow crossposts.
And yet that post was crossposted.

Go figger.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
STILL WILDLY CROSSPOSTING!
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one. What I find MOST amusing about
YOU is
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
how you blame ME for creating the crossposts from my AOL account... WHen
AOL
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
does NOT allow crossposting! Nice try Carol... No cigar!
I said the archives show who added which groups. I did not accuse
you of adding certain groups. I can see very well who added what.
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others.
Spare us your ignorance when it comes to checking archives, Kenny.
Post by krp
You WHINE a bit too loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role.
And you scream in all caps when you whine.
Post by krp
I somebody holding a gun to your head
You sombody?

My, the english language does flummox you.
Post by krp
MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts?
and you are continuing the cross posts why?
Post by krp
Spare me your disingenuous bullshit.
Pot, kettle, black.
Post by krp
You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this, what
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent the
institution?
What does aol say about how you represent them?

What does verizon say about how you represent them?
Post by krp
I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism,
Archives, Kenny. They are there for the Florida Kerry Campaign.

<snip rants>

~~~~~~~~~~
"God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the
miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of
superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above
their betters" - H.L. Mencken
krp
2004-07-10 17:46:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
BY YOU Carol, a bit disingenuous a little troll ain't ya? That's one of the
reasons I still use AOL at times to catch little trolls like you. And
mindlessly you walk straight into it. POOR liittle girl! Poor POLLYANNA!
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others.
Spare us your ignorance when it comes to checking archives, Kenny.
Carol, I don't need to "GO CHECK THE ARCHIVES" when I posted a comment
from AOL, and there is a reply from you to FIVE newsgroups answering ME...
WHen AOL does not permit crossposts. I can't care how many SNIPURLS you toss
at me. The fact is that when *I* post from my AOL account and YOU reply to
FIVE newsgroups all is proven that needs to be proven.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
You WHINE a bit too loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role.
And you scream in all caps when you whine.
Carol I merely referense your dishonesty and emphasize it. (Rub your nose
in your own filth!)
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts?
and you are continuing the cross posts why?
When answering your falsehoods suits me. I am not the one dening that
some posts of mine from THIS account are crossposted. What I AM denying is
your BULLSHIT claims that you don't do it. You don't read archives very
closely or expect that others don't. Such as when I remove a specific
newsgroup and replace it with another, and you answer and add it right back
in. What a little agenda you have Pollyanna!
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this, what
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent the
institution?
What does aol say about how you represent them?
I don't know. AOL isn't a PUBLIC university, but a commercial ISP.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
What does verizon say about how you represent them?
DITTO.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism,
Archives, Kenny. They are there for the Florida Kerry Campaign.
\

Oh is that a THREAT Carol? Have you noticed how the Kerry campaign is NOT
engaging in the type of hysterical FALSEHOODS that YOU are? So far they have
let the dirty name calling to the Bush campaign. Oh and as John Edwards
said, one thing America needs is the "TRUTH" again. Comparing to some of the
FIBS from the Repugnants. When fanatics make false claims that takes away a
KEY campaign issue that Kerry-Edwards has..... In short, every time you LIE,
some of the crap washes off on the campaign Carol. Mr. Kerry can win on his
own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the Senators comments on Mr. Bush's
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
p_j
2004-07-11 00:33:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
lol... a nasty, hateful, troll who is a habitual liar and makes money by
helping pedophiles and rapists... and you want someone, anyone to think
that you care about integrity?

What would your "discards" say about that?
krp
2004-07-11 13:52:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by krp
I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
lol... a nasty, hateful, troll who is a habitual liar and makes money by
helping pedophiles and rapists... and you want someone, anyone to think
that you care about integrity?
What would your "discards" say about that?
YOU ARE AN OBSESSED NUT CASE little boy! BACK TO THE BIT BIN WITH YOU
PSYCHO!
Lannie Ruvin
2004-07-11 02:37:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
Yes. It was crossposted. But I see no aol address. The header
this:


From: krp (***@verizon.net)
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses
View this article only
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Date: 2004-07-10 10:46:18 PST
Post by krp
BY YOU Carol, a bit disingenuous a little troll ain't ya? That's one of the
reasons I still use AOL at times to catch little trolls like you. And
mindlessly you walk straight into it. POOR liittle girl! Poor POLLYANNA!
If you are using AOL "to catch little trolls," why doesn't the
heading of your post reflect that?
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others.
Spare us your ignorance when it comes to checking archives, Kenny.
Carol, I don't need to "GO CHECK THE ARCHIVES" when I posted a comment
from AOL, and there is a reply from you to FIVE newsgroups answering ME...
Mr. Pangborn, your own post reflects that you are posting from
verizon to five groups. I see no indication that Ms. Smith has added
any groups.
Post by krp
WHen AOL does not permit crossposts. I can't care how many SNIPURLS you toss
at me. The fact is that when *I* post from my AOL account and YOU reply to
FIVE newsgroups all is proven that needs to be proven.
Your posts don't appear to be coming from an AOL account.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
You WHINE a bit too loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role.
And you scream in all caps when you whine.
Carol I merely referense your dishonesty and emphasize it. (Rub your nose
in your own filth!)
You can't hollar "dishonesty" and "lies" and expect anyone to
believe you without any quotes or links or proof of some kind. It is
like the little boy crying wolf.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts?
and you are continuing the cross posts why?
When answering your falsehoods suits me. I am not the one dening that
some posts of mine from THIS account are crossposted. What I AM denying is
your BULLSHIT claims that you don't do it.
I have seen no claim from Ms. Smith that she doesn't cross post.
Only that she has not added additional groups. The google archives
back up that claim. They provide no evidence that she has added any
groups.
Post by krp
You don't read archives very
closely or expect that others don't. Such as when I remove a specific
newsgroup and replace it with another, and you answer and add it right back
in. What a little agenda you have Pollyanna!
Oh. It is OK for you to remove news groups, add news groups and
then to accuse others of adding them when they didn't and that is OK?

Who are you, the posting gestapo?
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this,
what
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent
the
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
institution?
What does aol say about how you represent them?
I don't know. AOL isn't a PUBLIC university, but a commercial ISP.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
What does verizon say about how you represent them?
DITTO.
I have checked the archives and there are thousands of posts made
by people using university eddresses which don't represent those
schools. I think you have a very peculiar idea about @-----.edu email
addresses.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism,
Archives, Kenny. They are there for the Florida Kerry Campaign.
Oh is that a THREAT Carol? Have you noticed how the Kerry campaign is NOT
engaging in the type of hysterical FALSEHOODS that YOU are? So far they have
let the dirty name calling to the Bush campaign. Oh and as John Edwards
said, one thing America needs is the "TRUTH" again. Comparing to some of the
FIBS from the Repugnants. When fanatics make false claims that takes away a
KEY campaign issue that Kerry-Edwards has..... In short, every time you LIE,
some of the crap washes off on the campaign Carol.
I haven't noticed that Ms. Smith has perported to be working for
the Kerry campaign. Whereas, you have. So I doubt that the Kerry
campaign has the slightest interest in what she writes.

On the other hand, they would certainly sit up and take notice if
someone claims to support the Democratic campaign and then throws mud
at its candidate. I know people who are involved in political
campaigns and they are very careful to avoid engaging in any behaviors
which would reflect poorly on the candidate or the campaign.
Post by krp
Mr. Kerry can win on his
own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the Senators comments on Mr. Bush's
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
Whether Mr. Bush has served honorably is anyone's guess since his
records are conveniently missing. What a coincidence.
krp
2004-07-11 13:53:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
Yes. It was crossposted. But I see no aol address. The header
You are looking deep into the thread
Lannie Ruvin
2004-07-11 16:31:38 UTC
Permalink
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:53:34 GMT
From: krp <***@verizon.net>
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:53:34 GMT, Ken Pangborn, posting from
krp <***@verizon.net>
in the following Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general,
alt.mens-rights, uwm.general
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
Yes. It was crossposted. But I see no aol address. The header
<<You are looking deep into the thread>>

What is that supposed to mean?

Why did you snip the header which proved you were posting from
verizon?

Go to the google archives and plug in "***@aol.com" and
you will see that very little turns up, and what does turn up is doing
so because within the body of the message is included that email
address, not because it is from it.

This is the message, provided for your convenience because you
snipped it without comment.

lr
=======================
From: krp (***@verizon.net)
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Date: 2004-07-10 10:46:18 PST
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
BY YOU Carol, a bit disingenuous a little troll ain't ya? That's one
of the
reasons I still use AOL at times to catch little trolls like you. And
mindlessly you walk straight into it. POOR liittle girl! Poor
POLLYANNA!
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others.
Spare us your ignorance when it comes to checking archives, Kenny.
Carol, I don't need to "GO CHECK THE ARCHIVES" when I posted a
comment
from AOL, and there is a reply from you to FIVE newsgroups answering
ME...
WHen AOL does not permit crossposts. I can't care how many SNIPURLS
you toss
at me. The fact is that when *I* post from my AOL account and YOU
reply to
FIVE newsgroups all is proven that needs to be proven.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
You WHINE a bit too loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role.
And you scream in all caps when you whine.
Carol I merely referense your dishonesty and emphasize it. (Rub your
nose
in your own filth!)
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts?
and you are continuing the cross posts why?
When answering your falsehoods suits me. I am not the one dening
that
some posts of mine from THIS account are crossposted. What I AM
denying is
your BULLSHIT claims that you don't do it. You don't read archives
very
closely or expect that others don't. Such as when I remove a specific
newsgroup and replace it with another, and you answer and add it right
back
in. What a little agenda you have Pollyanna!
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this, what
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent the
institution?
What does aol say about how you represent them?
I don't know. AOL isn't a PUBLIC university, but a commercial ISP.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
What does verizon say about how you represent them?
DITTO.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism,
Archives, Kenny. They are there for the Florida Kerry Campaign.
\

Oh is that a THREAT Carol? Have you noticed how the Kerry campaign is
NOT
engaging in the type of hysterical FALSEHOODS that YOU are? So far
they have
let the dirty name calling to the Bush campaign. Oh and as John
Edwards
said, one thing America needs is the "TRUTH" again. Comparing to some
of the
FIBS from the Repugnants. When fanatics make false claims that takes
away a
KEY campaign issue that Kerry-Edwards has..... In short, every time
you LIE,
some of the crap washes off on the campaign Carol. Mr. Kerry can win
on his
own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the Senators comments on Mr.
Bush's
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you
don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.

Post a follow-up to this message
Message 3 in thread
From: Lannie Ruvin (***@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses

View this article only
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Date: 2004-07-10 19:37:06 PST
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL
doesn't allow crossposts.
Post by krp
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
Yes. It was crossposted. But I see no aol address. The header
this:


From: krp (***@verizon.net)
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses
View this article only
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Date: 2004-07-10 10:46:18 PST
Post by Lannie Ruvin
BY YOU Carol, a bit disingenuous a little troll ain't ya? That's one of the
reasons I still use AOL at times to catch little trolls like you. And
mindlessly you walk straight into it. POOR liittle girl! Poor POLLYANNA!
If you are using AOL "to catch little trolls," why doesn't the
heading of your post reflect that?
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Carol spare the world your sophistry and blaming others.
Spare us your ignorance when it comes to checking archives, Kenny.
Carol, I don't need to "GO CHECK THE ARCHIVES" when I posted a comment
from AOL, and there is a reply from you to FIVE newsgroups answering ME...
Mr. Pangborn, your own post reflects that you are posting from
verizon to five groups. I see no indication that Ms. Smith has added
any groups.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
WHen AOL does not permit crossposts. I can't care how many SNIPURLS you toss
at me. The fact is that when *I* post from my AOL account and YOU reply to
FIVE newsgroups all is proven that needs to be proven.
Your posts don't appear to be coming from an AOL account.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
You WHINE a bit too loudly when you assume your pitiful Pollyanna role.
And you scream in all caps when you whine.
Carol I merely referense your dishonesty and emphasize it. (Rub your nose
in your own filth!)
You can't hollar "dishonesty" and "lies" and expect anyone to
believe you without any quotes or links or proof of some kind. It is
like the little boy crying wolf.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
MAKING you against your will to continue the crossposts?
and you are continuing the cross posts why?
When answering your falsehoods suits me. I am not the one dening that
some posts of mine from THIS account are crossposted. What I AM denying is
your BULLSHIT claims that you don't do it.
I have seen no claim from Ms. Smith that she doesn't cross post.
Only that she has not added additional groups. The google archives
back up that claim. They provide no evidence that she has added any
groups.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
You don't read archives very
closely or expect that others don't. Such as when I remove a specific
newsgroup and replace it with another, and you answer and add it right back
in. What a little agenda you have Pollyanna!
Oh. It is OK for you to remove news groups, add news groups and
then to accuse others of adding them when they didn't and that is OK?

Who are you, the posting gestapo?
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
You not only make yourself the fool but bring
disrepute on UWM for your little personal wars. Carol, answer this, what
kind of view do you think people get of UWM with your posts to represent the
institution?
What does aol say about how you represent them?
I don't know. AOL isn't a PUBLIC university, but a commercial ISP.
Post by krp
What does verizon say about how you represent them?
DITTO.
I have checked the archives and there are thousands of posts made
by people using university eddresses which don't represent those
schools. I think you have a very peculiar idea about @-----.edu email
addresses.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
I know you don't realize the hysterical nature of your posts
and your fanaticism,
Archives, Kenny. They are there for the Florida Kerry Campaign.
Oh is that a THREAT Carol? Have you noticed how the Kerry campaign is NOT
engaging in the type of hysterical FALSEHOODS that YOU are? So far they have
let the dirty name calling to the Bush campaign. Oh and as John Edwards
said, one thing America needs is the "TRUTH" again. Comparing to some of the
FIBS from the Repugnants. When fanatics make false claims that takes away a
KEY campaign issue that Kerry-Edwards has..... In short, every time you LIE,
some of the crap washes off on the campaign Carol.
I haven't noticed that Ms. Smith has perported to be working for
the Kerry campaign. Whereas, you have. So I doubt that the Kerry
campaign has the slightest interest in what she writes.

On the other hand, they would certainly sit up and take notice if
someone claims to support the Democratic campaign and then throws mud
at its candidate. I know people who are involved in political
campaigns and they are very careful to avoid engaging in any behaviors
which would reflect poorly on the candidate or the campaign.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Mr. Kerry can win on his
own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the Senators comments on Mr. Bush's
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
Whether Mr. Bush has served honorably is anyone's guess since his
records are conveniently missing. What a coincidence.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-11 16:48:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lannie Ruvin
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:53:34 GMT
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
uwm.general
Subject: Re: Pangborn spins, lies and parses; was: Farenheit 9/11 ->
Moore spins, lies and parses
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:53:34 GMT, Ken Pangborn, posting from
in the following Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general,
alt.mens-rights, uwm.general
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account.
AOL doesn't allow crossposts.
And yet that post was crossposted.
Go figger.
Yes. It was crossposted. But I see no aol address. The header
<<You are looking deep into the thread>>
What is that supposed to mean?
I think it is Kenny's special woo woo magic.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Why did you snip the header which proved you were posting from
verizon?
He often does that. Give him proof and he snips it away, pretending it
never existed.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
you will see that very little turns up, and what does turn up is doing
so because within the body of the message is included that email
address, not because it is from it.
That's what I thought. I have been checking the same way, and don't find
much at all. But I am still looking.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
This is the message, provided for your convenience because you
snipped it without comment.
If you expect any kind of coherent conversation with Ken Pangborn, you
will be sadly disappointed.

<snip>
krp
2004-07-11 23:53:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lannie Ruvin
I haven't noticed that Ms. Smith has perported to be working for
the Kerry campaign. Whereas, you have. So I doubt that the Kerry
campaign has the slightest interest in what she writes.
I said I had voluteered for the Kerry Campaing in Florida, I did.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
On the other hand, they would certainly sit up and take notice if
someone claims to support the Democratic campaign and then throws mud
at its candidate. I know people who are involved in political
campaigns and they are very careful to avoid engaging in any behaviors
which would reflect poorly on the candidate or the campaign.
Oh I have NOT thrown ANY mude at Senetor Kerry. Just the HYSTERICS from
the lunatic left. People HE himself has disavowed.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Mr. Kerry can win on his own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the
Senators comments on Mr. Bush's
Post by Lannie Ruvin
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you don't
care about the integrity the Senators have.
Whether Mr. Bush has served honorably is anyone's guess since his
records are conveniently missing. What a coincidence.
That issue was settled long ago. Senator Kerry is not making an issue of
it, the Kerry Campaign has distanced itself from the NUT fringes trying to
harp on it. Which is a good enough reason to support Senator Kerry and
Senator Edwards. THEIR hands are MUD FREE............
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-12 05:17:47 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:53:55 GMT, Ken "krp" Pangborn, via
Post by krp
Post by Lannie Ruvin
I haven't noticed that Ms. Smith has perported
purported?
Post by krp
Post by Lannie Ruvin
to be working for the Kerry campaign.
Whereas, you have. So I doubt that the Kerry
campaign has the slightest interest in what she writes.
I said I had voluteered for the Kerry Campaing in Florida, I did.
Worked. Volunteered. Worked as a volunteer. Yeah. You keep saying
that.
Post by krp
Post by Lannie Ruvin
On the other hand, they would certainly sit up and take notice if
someone claims to support the Democratic campaign and then throws mud
at its candidate. I know people who are involved in political
campaigns and they are very careful to avoid engaging in any behaviors
which would reflect poorly on the candidate or the campaign.
Oh I have NOT thrown ANY mude at Senetor Kerry. Just the HYSTERICS from
the lunatic left. People HE himself has disavowed.
Post by Lannie Ruvin
Mr. Kerry can win on his own demonstrable merits. Did you miss the
Senators comments on Mr. Bush's
Post by Lannie Ruvin
military service? Acknowledging that Bush served honorably? I bet you
don't care about the integrity the Senators have.
Whether Mr. Bush has served honorably is anyone's guess since his
records are conveniently missing. What a coincidence.
That issue was settled long ago.
Long ago? Oh not so long ago. There were news reports on the 10th and
11th of this month which were along these lines:

------
Some Bush military records lost
Military records that could help establish President Bush's
whereabouts during his disputed service in the Texas Air National Guard
more than 30 years ago have been inadvertently destroyed, according to
the Pentagon.
------
We knew earlier that the records didn't materialize but it was
only in the last few days that it was in the news that the reason the
records didn't materialize was because they were destroyed, inadvertently,
of course.
Post by krp
Senator Kerry is not making an issue of it, the Kerry
Campaign has distanced itself from the NUT fringes trying to
harp on it. Which is a good enough reason to support Senator
Kerry and Senator Edwards. THEIR hands are MUD FREE............
Right. And Kerry's service records are intact.

It will be interesting to find out who these other 'numerous service
members,'" are, whose payroll records were also inadvertently destroyed.
Lannie Ruvin
2004-07-12 21:12:38 UTC
Permalink
Ken Pangborn wrote on Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:30:04 GMT
Using <***@verizon.net> to milw.general, soc.men, wi.general,
alt.mens-rights, and soc.culture.cuba
Subject: Re: CAROL SMITH is a LIAR!!!
Post by p_j
Post by krp
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants
on how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives
as proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
Lannie? p-j? It's you? It was you!

I didn't write any of that.

I am beginning to believe what I am reading in the archives about
you, Ken. Others have suggested you have comprehension problems,
drinking problems and such. It all adds up. I very clearly indicated
in my post the following:

= = = = = = =
Here's the post to which she replied:
============================
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:45:45 -0500
From: p_j <***@postzzzmark.net>
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
soc.culture.cuba
Subject: Re: Pangborn never takes any responsibility for his life
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar
Kenny 'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants
on how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives
as proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
= = = = = = = =

Any one with an ounce of common sense can tell that a post by pj
was being quoted.

But in keeping with your paranoia that no one is really
themselves, just keep believing I am pj.

I don't think pj will think that's OK, but it's up to him.

Oh, and did you notice I changed the subject heading on the post
to something more appropriate?

Til you can prove someone has lied, you really should not call
them a liar.

It might come back to haunt you some day.

lr

Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 17:54:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Kenny "kpr" Pangborn wildly cross-posted, shouting in
Carol.......... You are quoting a post made from my AOL account. AOL doesn't
allow crossposts.
Sorry, Kenny. The archives confirm that every post in this thread comes
from you via @verizon.

The thread for you and for the Kerry Campaign in FL is here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=Pine.OSF.3.96.1040709203006.11679E-100000%40alpha1.csd.uwm.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dkpr%2B%2540aol%2Bgroup:milw.general%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dmilw.general%26selm%3DPine.OSF.3.96.1040709203006.11679E-100000%2540alpha1.csd.uwm.edu%26rnum%3D1
p_j
2004-07-10 21:37:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.

Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?

Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?

Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?

<www.aboutkenpangborn.com>
krp
2004-07-11 13:05:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Post by p_j
Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?
PROOF LIAR!!!
Post by p_j
Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?

The WRONGLY accused... LOSER!!
p_j
2004-07-11 16:45:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants on
how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives as
proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."

What is the true number of wives you have had and "discarded?"
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?
PROOF LIAR!!!
Proof? Interesting that you don't claim innocence, only that you aren't
convictable. You may use that as a measuring stick with your pedophile
and rapist clients, but that doesn't determine reality.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?
The WRONGLY accused... LOSER!!
Yeah, with that TOP SECRET science. Hell, you won't even name it.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-11 16:54:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants on
how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives as
proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
What group was it in, milw.general? Or some other usenet group? If he
wrote it, it's out there somewhere. Searching is easier if you have a few
details such as when and where it was written. also, do you remember his
exact word? Was it

discard

discarded

discards

Discarding?
Post by p_j
What is the true number of wives you have had and "discarded?"
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?
PROOF LIAR!!!
Proof? Interesting that you don't claim innocence, only that you aren't
convictable. You may use that as a measuring stick with your pedophile
and rapist clients, but that doesn't determine reality.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?
The WRONGLY accused... LOSER!!
Yeah, with that TOP SECRET science. Hell, you won't even name it.
Top Secret science. This does get interesting. Perhaps i should google
that.
krp
2004-07-11 22:27:43 UTC
Permalink
THERE GOES MZ> CROSSPOSTER AGAIN
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants on
how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives as
proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
What group was it in, milw.general? Or some other usenet group? If he
wrote it, it's out there somewhere. Searching is easier if you have a few
details such as when and where it was written. also, do you remember his
exact word? Was it
There you go again Carol ADDING the Cuba newsgroup,. I remove it and YOU add
it straight back. What a desperate SLEAZY liar you are!
POOR LITTLE POLLYANNA!

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE NOSE AS LONG AS A TELEPHONE WIRE!!!!

DESPERATE LITTLE CAROL DESPERATE LOSING CAROL!
Lannie Ruvin
2004-07-12 04:17:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
THERE GOES MZ> CROSSPOSTER AGAIN
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar
Kenny
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by p_j
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants on
how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives as
proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
What group was it in, milw.general? Or some other usenet group? If he
wrote it, it's out there somewhere. Searching is easier if you have a few
details such as when and where it was written. also, do you remember his
exact word? Was it
There you go again Carol ADDING the Cuba newsgroup,. I remove it and YOU add
it straight back. What a desperate SLEAZY liar you are!
POOR LITTLE POLLYANNA!
Please note that I added it back and removed uwm.general (google
allows only five groups). I didn't think you should be the only one
around here who could chop and add when he felt like it (you did add
uwm.general, didn't you?). When you tinker with the groups when it
suits you, you really shouldn't get all crabby when someone else does
it.

And you really shouldn't accuse others of doing it when they
haven't.

You really should learn how to read the record you leave behind,
Mr. Pangborn. It indicates to anyone who cares to check that what you
say about Ms. Smith adding a group or groups is not so.

The post to which Ms. Smith replied is below, with its headers,
and it indicates the groups which were already included--she added no
groups when she replied to Mr. PJ.

Gee. Suppose you owe an apology?
Post by krp
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE NOSE AS LONG AS A TELEPHONE WIRE!!!!
DESPERATE LITTLE CAROL DESPERATE LOSING CAROL!
You really should get your facts straight before you get so
carried away with all that shouting. Perhaps you need to have your
blood pressure meds changed.

Here's the post to which she replied:

============================

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:45:45 -0500
From: p_j <***@postzzzmark.net>
Newsgroups: milw.general, soc.men, wi.general, alt.mens-rights,
soc.culture.cuba
Subject: Re: Pangborn never takes any responsibility for his life
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar
Kenny 'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants
on how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives
as proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."

What is the true number of wives you have had and "discarded?"
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?
PROOF LIAR!!!
Proof? Interesting that you don't claim innocence, only that you
aren't convictable. You may use that as a measuring stick with your
pedophile and rapist clients, but that doesn't determine reality.
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?
The WRONGLY accused... LOSER!!
Yeah, with that TOP SECRET science. Hell, you won't even name it.
-----end of post-----
krp
2004-07-12 15:30:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Post by krp
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants
on how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives
as proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
Lannie? p-j? It's you? It was you!
Post by p_j
What is the true number of wives you have had and "discarded?"
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who was accused by his first wife of inappropriate actions with his
small daughters?
PROOF LIAR!!!
Proof? Interesting that you don't claim innocence, only that you
aren't convictable. You may use that as a measuring stick with your
pedophile and rapist clients, but that doesn't determine reality.
I don't have any pedophile or rapist clients.
Post by p_j
Yeah, with that TOP SECRET science. Hell, you won't even name it.
Top secret? We go into detail on my website, actually several pages of
it.... www.a-team.org
p_j
2004-07-12 14:59:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Post by krp
The blame is always to others.
Bizarre extremist, Bush shill, internet troll, and habitual liar Kenny
'Kookla' Pangborn never takes responsibility for anything he does.
Who referred to his many ex-wives as "discards"?
YOU DID!
Now Kookla, you and I both know it was you. During one of your rants on
how I was sexually inadequate, and strutting your parade of wives as
proof, you asked if I wanted one of your "discards."
What group was it in, milw.general? Or some other usenet group? If he
wrote it, it's out there somewhere. Searching is easier if you have a few
details such as when and where it was written. also, do you remember his
exact word? Was it
discard
discarded
discards
Discarding?
It was in milw.general and he asked if i wanted one of his 'discards'
because I was asking about the allegations his wife made in his first of
many divorces.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Proof? Interesting that you don't claim innocence, only that you aren't
convictable. You may use that as a measuring stick with your pedophile
and rapist clients, but that doesn't determine reality.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Who makes a living helping accused pedophiles and rapists avoid
conviction?
The WRONGLY accused... LOSER!!
Yeah, with that TOP SECRET science. Hell, you won't even name it.
Top Secret science. This does get interesting. Perhaps i should google
that.
I'm the one calling it 'top secret' because he won't even give the
'science' a name.
p_j
2004-07-10 21:37:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one.
What a laugher.
Post by krp
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
Another laugher.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 22:08:39 UTC
Permalink
I have not seen this eddress on any post.

I am seeing this:

-----example-----
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:12:28 GMT
From: krp <***@verizon.net>
Newsgroups: milw.general
Subject: Re: Farenheit 9/11 -> Moore spins, lies and parses
-----end of example-----
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one.
What a laugher.
Yes, it is worth a few chuckles.
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
Another laugher.
I think that's also the opinion of the Kerry campaign in Florida.
Robert Gautier
2004-07-11 06:05:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
I have not seen this eddress on any post.
-----example-----
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:12:28 GMT
Newsgroups: milw.general
Subject: Re: Farenheit 9/11 -> Moore spins, lies and parses
-----end of example-----
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one.
What a laugher.
Yes, it is worth a few chuckles.
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
Another laugher.
I think that's also the opinion of the Kerry campaign in Florida.
You are making Kenneth Pangborn look like a real ass Carol.
You prove his lies left and right.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-11 13:25:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Gautier
You are making Kenneth Pangborn look like a real ass Carol.
You prove his lies left and right.
It's not me.

It's the archives which do him in.

All the time.
krp
2004-07-11 13:55:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert Gautier
You are making Kenneth Pangborn look like a real ass Carol.
You prove his lies left and right.
Moore you remain a dickless wonder!
krp
2004-07-11 13:55:10 UTC
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Post by Carol Lee Smith
I have not seen this eddress on any post.
OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T CAROL.......... That's the point.
You ere caught! Occasionally I use the AOL account to trap you and it
ALWAYS works because you don't pay close attention.
p_j
2004-07-11 14:25:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
I have not seen this eddress on any post.
You'll see it pop up now and then.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Carol I have always identified who I am, whether I am using my AOL
account with my full name or this one.
What a laugher.
Yes, it is worth a few chuckles.
It is hard, at least for me, to adjust to the fluency with which he
lies.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I claim to have volunteered.
Another laugher.
I think that's also the opinion of the Kerry campaign in Florida.
I can't remember once where he hasn't shiled for Bush... but he's a
lifelong Democrat and a Kerry supporter... sure.

What kind of person comes up with that as as strategy? He shows no
evidence of morals, but he is upset about religious references being in
chants an on government buildings?
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-11 16:37:59 UTC
Permalink
... He shows no evidence of morals, but he
is upset about religious references being in
chants an on government buildings?
I have never seen him express anything like that.
p_j
2004-07-12 13:05:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
... He shows no evidence of morals, but he
is upset about religious references being in
chants an on government buildings?
I have never seen him express anything like that.
Pledge of allegience and ten commandments.
Emma Goldwoman
2004-07-09 22:32:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says Kenny Pigborn.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
What an odd name. Foberto. What's his nickname? Fob?
Post by krp
OF COPURSE NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
I have posted on many subjects in other groups. Who are you the
posting police? Does one have to clear it with you where they post
and about what?
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
You are such a jackass, pigbarn.
You post using preposterous names and you say that *I* am the jackass?
Preposterous names? What is the justification for insulting
someone's name? Goldwoman isn't any weirder than Pangborn.
Post by krp
And you devote 100% of your posts to a jackass? What in the
hell do you think that says about YOU dipshit? Not to mention
the infantile namecalling.
That is really funny. Infantile namecalling? That's what you do
all the time.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.
Yes LOTS is "written" mostly by you! It's BULLSHIT but you LIVE to
manufacture it, don't you? You see, apart from ME, you have NO LIFE
whatsoever! NONE!
You know nothing about my life.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
[snipped your redundant rant, Pigbone.]
Post by krp
And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet Users!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
[and more hysterics removed]
Post by krp
BULLSHIT!!!
That's what you are famous for, Pigbottom.

EG
krp
2004-07-10 00:29:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says Kenny Pigborn.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
What an odd name. Foberto. What's his nickname? Fob?
Post by krp
OF COPURSE NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
I have posted on many subjects in other groups. Who are you the
posting police? Does one have to clear it with you where they post
and about what?
Like WHAT ones?
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 01:48:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says Kenny Pigborn.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
What an odd name. Foberto. What's his nickname? Fob?
Oh Emma, Emma, Emma, you don't know what you have gotten yourself in for.

You must have noticed by now that Pigborn, Pangborn, Pigbottom, makes wild
accusations and uses nasty names in his discourse.

The Foberto is probably just a typographical error. Kenny has trouble
talking with his finger tips.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
OF COPURSE
Like that one.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
NOT you NEVER do! Another NEW name that posts ONLY about me!
WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!
I have posted on many subjects in other groups. Who are you the
posting police? Does one have to clear it with you where they post
and about what?
Kenny would probably like to add your favorite groups to posts.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
You are such a jackass, pigbarn.
You post using preposterous names and you say that *I* am the jackass?
Preposterous names? What is the justification for insulting
someone's name? Goldwoman isn't any weirder than Pangborn.
No kidding. He should be named Painborne.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
And you devote 100% of your posts to a jackass? What in the
hell do you think that says about YOU dipshit? Not to mention
the infantile namecalling.
That is really funny. Infantile namecalling? That's what you do
all the time.
You finally noticed?
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
But I have seen it written that you have lots of pseudonyms. You
probably win the prize for the most pseudonyms.
There is a whole list of pseudonyms.

This is only a partial listing:

Pavlov's Dogs


BTR1701
KaiserDrvr
Porkey Newton
John Gault
Free at Last
Volks Polezei
Clark Kent
Reality Test
Zelda Gilroy
Wotan's advisor
No Hostile Intent
Guess Who???
Advanced Interceptor
Buckwheat
die gedanken sin frei
SECRET IDENTITY
Sleeping Dogs
Alpha Omega
Positive Outlook
General Outlook
Happy Holidays
MOORZADILDO
Giant Schwantz
Publius Maximus
Mark Propensity
Free Speech
The Real Deal with Bill McNeil
Bun Inspector
Max Devlin
Phineas Fogg
The Jupiter Project
Jimmy James
Commissioner Yoda
Buffalo Bob
Frank N. Stein
Nemesis
Happy Wanderer
Nurse Plonkitt
John Spartan
Mr. Goodbar
The repairman
Creative Impressions
False Identity
The Null Hypothesis
Patrick Henry
Mr. Worf
Purple Rose
Video Ranger
The Justice Minister
Simba The Great
La Mont Cranston
The Cable Guy
Served With Honor
Sleeping with Dogs
Jumping Conclusions
Law & Disorder
Taco Supreme
Warden Smithens
La Neena Huxley
Plonk You David Moore
A Giant Among Men
Cool Running
Major Pain
Construction Zone
Wolfman Jack
Fearless Fosdick
The Jedi Knight
John Connor

Google those, Emma and see what kind of entertainment they will provide.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Yes LOTS is "written" mostly by you! It's BULLSHIT but you LIVE to
manufacture it, don't you? You see, apart from ME, you have NO LIFE
whatsoever! NONE!
You know nothing about my life.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
[snipped your redundant rant, Pigbone.]
Post by krp
And EVERYONE believes you! EVERYONE all 900 million Usenet Users!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
[and more hysterics removed]
Post by krp
BULLSHIT!!!
That's what you are famous for, Pigbottom.
Pigbottom. That is a fun one.

Good show, Emma.

Are you British by any chance?


" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-07-10 12:03:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Right, EVERYONE believe you Davey. Wear out the FOBERTO GAUTIER name?
I am not Davey.
I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey> I am not Davey>
You ain't EMMA GOLDWOMAN EITHER!!
Says Kenny Pigborn.
Post by krp
Post by Emma Goldwoman
And I don't know Foberto Gautier.
What an odd name. Foberto. What's his nickname? Fob?
Oh Emma, Emma, Emma, you don't know what you have gotten yourself in for.
You must have noticed by now that Pigborn, Pangborn, Pigbottom, makes wild
accusations and uses nasty names in his discourse.
Carol again a good example of what my previous message addressed. Look at
your comment above. You accuse me of using nasty names? Hmm, Ms. Pot, but
that aside, dear I have yet to begin calling you names. What you resent is
the labels. Like "left wing lunatic" "hysteric" or the correct labeling of
you as an "atheist fanatic" or "Marxist" or "feminist extremist" and the
like. All of which are true. You ARE from the most extreme left, you are an
Atheist, and you are a radical feminist fanatic. One of your central
features is your total lack of balance or perspective. And those who
politically disagree with you - you can't handle. You start calling them
names like "Pigborn" or "Pigbottom" or "Pigbarn" and many others... You
make it personal, and then you just seem unable to figure out why you are
greeted with the hostility you are... Poor little POLLYANNA! Of course I
regard radical feminism as the Pollyanna Club.
Meme warrior
2004-07-08 02:01:12 UTC
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Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit 9/11
krp
2004-07-08 09:52:49 UTC
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Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit 9/11
But it never happened! It is an urban myth.
Emma Goldwoman
2004-07-09 06:46:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit
9/11
But it never happened! It is an urban myth.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
<extracted text>
In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist
attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family
members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel:
True.

... during the ban on air travel, some Saudis (including members of
the bin Laden family) were transported by air to assembly points in
the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country. In an earlier
version of this article, I ranted and raved about his avowing bin
Laden flights had taken place while no one was allowed to fly. Yet
some did, at least within the U.S.

I shouldn't have yelled at him. He was right about that.

Actually, I shouldn't have yelled at him even if he'd been dead wrong
about everything. There's no good excuse for my having gotten
vitriolic about Michael Moore as I attempted to address the substance
of what he said. I regret having done that because it's just flat-out
the wrong thing to do under any circumstance. Michael, if you're out
there, please know that I am sorry for having said hurtful things. The
world is full enough already with pain and miserableness for me to
want to add to it or to want to direct any of it your way.

... Were bin Laden family members allowed to fly within the U.S.
during a general ban on air travel?
Were bin Laden family members allowed to fly out of the U.S. during a
general ban on air travel?
Were these flights "secret"?
Did these flights take place over the objections of the FBI?
Was the FBI denied the opportunity to question bin Laden family
members?
Did the departing bin Laden family members have any meaningful
information to impart about Osama bin Laden?

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
<extracted text>
However, records obtained from the U.S. Department of Homeland
Security under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) seem to indicate
that one flight carrying approximately 46 Saudi citizens may have left
the U.S. from New York as early as September 13, before the general
ban on air travel was lifted. The records do not identify who these
passengers may have been — bin Laden relatives, royal family members,
or other Saudi nationals. (The "Class of Admission" column in the
document lists the departing passengers as a mixture of foreign
government officials and their employees and temporary visitors to the
U.S. for either business or pleasure.)
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-09 07:35:27 UTC
Permalink
@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens =
being
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenh=
eit
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Post by krp
9/11
But it never happened! It is an urban myth.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
<extracted text>
In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist
attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family
members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel:=20
True.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/mikeinthenews/index.php?id=3D6=
2
-----excerpt-----
To mount fast responses to critics like those, Moore has organized a "war
room" overseen by former Clinton White House aides Chris Lehane and Mark
Fabiani. He also hired the former chief of fact checking at the New Yorker
magazine to comb the film for inaccuracies. "There's lots of disagreement
with my analysis of these facts or my opinion based on the facts. But," he
insists, "there is not a single factual error in the movie. I'm thinking
of offering a $ 10,000 reward for anyone that can find a single fact
that's wrong."=20
<snip>
His own life story would make a pretty cool movie. The son and nephew of
GM factory workers, Moore was educated by nuns and Jesuits, and at 14 he
briefly attended a seminary and had thoughts of becoming a priest.=20
-----end of excerpt-----
Post by Emma Goldwoman
... during the ban on air travel, some Saudis (including members of
the bin Laden family)
bin Laden family. Did you see that, Kenny?
Post by Emma Goldwoman
Actually, I shouldn't have yelled at him even if he'd been dead=20
wrong about everything. There's no good excuse for my having
gotten vitriolic about Michael Moore as I attempted to address=20
the substance of what he said.
See that, Kenny? At least someone has rethought their vitriol.

There is redemption at hand for you, too.

You too could attempt to address the substance of what Moore has said,
rather than attack the messenger.

Hallelujah!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
I regret having done that because it's just flat-out
the wrong thing to do under any circumstance. Michael, if you're=20
out there, please know that I am sorry for having said hurtful
things. The world is full enough already with pain and miserableness
for me to want to add to it or to want to direct any of it your way.
What a great role model for Ken Pangborn!!
Post by Emma Goldwoman
... Were bin Laden family members allowed to fly within the U.S.
during a general ban on air travel?
Were bin Laden family members allowed to fly out of the U.S. during a
general ban on air travel?
Were these flights "secret"?=20
Did these flights take place over the objections of the FBI?=20
Was the FBI denied the opportunity to question bin Laden family
members?
Did the departing bin Laden family members have any meaningful
information to impart about Osama bin Laden?
Interesting questions.

Perhaps the answers we don't have now will one day become available.
Post by Emma Goldwoman
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
<extracted text>
However, records obtained from the U.S. Department of Homeland
Security under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) seem to indicate
that one flight carrying approximately 46 Saudi citizens may have left
the U.S. from New York as early as September 13, before the general
ban on air travel was lifted. The records do not identify who these
passengers may have been =97 bin Laden relatives, royal family members,
or other Saudi nationals. (The "Class of Admission" column in the
document lists the departing passengers as a mixture of foreign
government officials and their employees and temporary visitors to the
U.S. for either business or pleasure.)
" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
=20
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-09 05:51:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit 9/11
The Canadian news show "5th estate" reported that bin Ladens were flown
out

_ O N _ 9/11 ???

Really?

Fahrenheit 9/11 makes no such claim.



" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-07-09 13:09:30 UTC
Permalink
CROSSPOSTING CAROL THE VICTIM
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit 9/11
The Canadian news show "5th estate" reported that bin Ladens were flown
out
_ O N _ 9/11 ???
Really?
Fahrenheit 9/11 makes no such claim.
Michael Moore HAS Carol. Back to being DESPERATE and crossposting again?
POOR CAROL THE INNOCENT VICTIM.. POOR POOR CAROL speaking on behalf of UWM,,
POOR POOR POOR CAROL! Amy more newsgroups you'd care to add Carol in your
HOLY WAR with me? Shall I tell you of some I post in where you can STALK me
too? Carol you do not need to crosspost. I delete them sometimes and YOU
add them right back! POOR INNOCENT CAROL... Or is it POLLYANNA?
p_j
2004-07-09 17:51:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by krp
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens
being
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by Meme warrior
Post by Carol Lee Smith
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit
9/11
Post by Carol Lee Smith
The Canadian news show "5th estate" reported that bin Ladens were flown
out
_ O N _ 9/11 ???
Really?
Fahrenheit 9/11 makes no such claim.
Michael Moore HAS Carol.
LMAO. In a month or so you'll say that you never made any such
statement.

Moore didn't say anything like that. You RNC slimer droids have tore at
the film every way possible. What's the result? It is factual.

Not only that it has a discussion of a pipeline you claimed was never
considered or discussed. You claimed it would be idiotic to have a
pipeline.

Hell, you claimed the US never supported Saddam militarily.
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-09 22:23:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
CROSSPOSTING CAROL THE VICTIM<<
So you say, Kenny.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY
fly out of the US on 9-11???????
I know of no one making any claims whatsoever about any Bin Ladens being
flown out of the U.S. by Bush or anyone else on 9/11.
Do you?
The canadian news show "5th estate" reported it a month before farenheit 9/11
The Canadian news show "5th estate" reported that bin Ladens were flown
out
_ O N _ 9/11 ???
Really?
Fahrenheit 9/11 makes no such claim.
Pigpen said: "Michael Moore HAS Carol."

Prove it.

Quote?

Source?

Citation?

Evidence?

<< Back to being DESPERATE and crossposting again?>

Just replying to the message and to the groups which were included by
someoneone else.

Same as you, Kenny.

<<POOR CAROL THE INNOCENT VICTIM.. POOR POOR CAROL speaking on behalf of
UWM,,>>

If and when I ever speak for uwm I will be sure to let you know.
Meanwhile, neither I nor anyone else who uses a uwm eddress speaks for the
university by virtue of emailing or posting to usenet.

376,000 posts with ***@uwm.edu, Kenny. I would venture a guess that
few, if any of those posts are on behalf of uwm. But you are welcome
to research it and prove otherwise.

This should help:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%40uwm.edu&btnG=Search&meta=


<< POOR POOR POOR CAROL! Amy more newsgroups you'd care to add Carol in
your HOLY WAR with me? >>

Holy War? Hardly. Now who is playing the victim. A "HOLY WAR" victim no
less.

Take a pill, Kenny, you are shouting again.

And I added no newsgroups to this thread, idiot.

Archives, Kenny. Check the Archives.
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Shall I tell you of some I post in where you can STALK
me too? Carol you do not need to crosspost. >>

Stalk you? Ha.

<<I delete them sometimes and YOU add them right back!>>

Archives, Kenny. The archives prove who added which groups, and that you
did not remove any but replied to them all, yet you criticize others for
doing what you have done. Is that hypocritical?

You betcha.

<< POOR INNOCENT CAROL... Or is it POLLYANNA?>>

Get a hanky, Kenny.

~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.ffrf.org/day/?c=dates/0710.txt

http://www.ffrf.org/day/?c=dates/0711.txt
p_j
2004-07-10 21:37:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Carol Lee Smith
CROSSPOSTING CAROL THE VICTIM<<
So you say, Kenny.
So you DO repeatedly and then you PLAY the role of poor innocent victim.
Does anyone whine and cry as much as this defender of pedophiles and
rapists?

Beware his many aliases.

BTR1701
KaiserDrvr
Porkey Newton
John Gault
Free at Last
Volks Polezei
Clark Kent
Reality Test
Zelda Gilroy
Wotan's advisor
No Hostile Intent
Guess Who???
Advanced Interceptor
Buckwheat
die gedanken sin frei
SECRET IDENTITY
Sleeping Dogs
Alpha Omega
Positive Outlook
General Outlook
Happy Holidays
MOORZADILDO
Giant Schwantz
Publius Maximus
Mark Propensity
Free Speech
The Real Deal with Bill McNeil
Bun Inspector
Max Devlin
Phineas Fogg
The Jupiter Project
Jimmy James
Commissioner Yoda
Buffalo Bob
Frank N. Stein
Nemesis
Happy Wanderer
Nurse Plonkitt
John Spartan
Mr. Goodbar
The repairman
Creative Impressions
False Identity
The Null Hypothesis
Patrick Henry
Mr. Worf
Purple Rose
Video Ranger
The Justice Minister
Simba The Great
La Mont Cranston
The Cable Guy
Served With Honor
Sleeping with Dogs
Jumping Conclusions
Law & Disorder
Taco Supreme
Warden Smithens
La Neena Huxley
Plonk You David Moore
A Giant Among Men
Cool Running
Major Pain
Construction Zone
Wolfman Jack
Fearless Fosdick
The Jedi Knight
John Connor
krp
2004-07-11 13:15:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by p_j
Beware his many aliases.
BTR1701
KaiserDrvr
Porkey Newton
John Gault
Free at Last
Volks Polezei
Clark Kent
Reality Test
Zelda Gilroy
Wotan's advisor
No Hostile Intent
Guess Who???
Advanced Interceptor
Buckwheat
die gedanken sin frei
SECRET IDENTITY
Sleeping Dogs
Alpha Omega
Positive Outlook
General Outlook
Happy Holidays
MOORZADILDO
Giant Schwantz
Publius Maximus
Mark Propensity
Free Speech
The Real Deal with Bill McNeil
Bun Inspector
Max Devlin
Phineas Fogg
The Jupiter Project
Jimmy James
Commissioner Yoda
Buffalo Bob
Frank N. Stein
Nemesis
Happy Wanderer
Nurse Plonkitt
John Spartan
Mr. Goodbar
The repairman
Creative Impressions
False Identity
The Null Hypothesis
Patrick Henry
Mr. Worf
Purple Rose
Video Ranger
The Justice Minister
Simba The Great
La Mont Cranston
The Cable Guy
Served With Honor
Sleeping with Dogs
Jumping Conclusions
Law & Disorder
Taco Supreme
Warden Smithens
La Neena Huxley
Plonk You David Moore
A Giant Among Men
Cool Running
Major Pain
Construction Zone
Wolfman Jack
Fearless Fosdick
The Jedi Knight
John Connor
Hmmmmmmmmmmm didn't you miss a few of your buddy Moore???

Oh dipshit, I removed some newsgroups HURRY now LITTLE boy add them all
back!
p_j
2004-07-11 16:45:46 UTC
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Post by p_j
Beware his many aliases.
BTR1701
KaiserDrvr
Porkey Newton
John Gault
Free at Last
Volks Polezei
Clark Kent
Reality Test
Zelda Gilroy
Wotan's advisor
No Hostile Intent
Guess Who???
Advanced Interceptor
Buckwheat
die gedanken sin frei
SECRET IDENTITY
Sleeping Dogs
Alpha Omega
Positive Outlook
General Outlook
Happy Holidays
MOORZADILDO
Giant Schwantz
Publius Maximus
Mark Propensity
Free Speech
The Real Deal with Bill McNeil
Bun Inspector
Max Devlin
Phineas Fogg
The Jupiter Project
Jimmy James
Commissioner Yoda
Buffalo Bob
Frank N. Stein
Nemesis
Happy Wanderer
Nurse Plonkitt
John Spartan
Mr. Goodbar
The repairman
Creative Impressions
False Identity
The Null Hypothesis
Patrick Henry
Mr. Worf
Purple Rose
Video Ranger
The Justice Minister
Simba The Great
La Mont Cranston
The Cable Guy
Served With Honor
Sleeping with Dogs
Jumping Conclusions
Law & Disorder
Taco Supreme
Warden Smithens
La Neena Huxley
Plonk You David Moore
A Giant Among Men
Cool Running
Major Pain
Construction Zone
Wolfman Jack
Fearless Fosdick
The Jedi Knight
John Connor
Hmmmmmmmmmmm didn't you miss a few of your buddy Moore???
Are you saying that Moore is your invention?
Post by krp
Oh dipshit, I removed some newsgroups HURRY now LITTLE boy add them all
back!
Be a man and stop using aliases and stand by your words.

Start by admitting that you referred to your string of ex-wives as
"discards."
buckethead
2004-07-11 16:21:32 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by p_j
Beware his many aliases.
BTR1701
KaiserDrvr
Porkey Newton
John Gault
Free at Last
Volks Polezei
Clark Kent
Reality Test
Zelda Gilroy
Wotan's advisor
No Hostile Intent
Guess Who???
Advanced Interceptor
Buckwheat
die gedanken sin frei
SECRET IDENTITY
Sleeping Dogs
Alpha Omega
Positive Outlook
General Outlook
Happy Holidays
MOORZADILDO
Giant Schwantz
Publius Maximus
Mark Propensity
Free Speech
The Real Deal with Bill McNeil
Bun Inspector
Max Devlin
Phineas Fogg
The Jupiter Project
Jimmy James
Commissioner Yoda
Buffalo Bob
Frank N. Stein
Nemesis
Happy Wanderer
Nurse Plonkitt
John Spartan
Mr. Goodbar
The repairman
Creative Impressions
False Identity
The Null Hypothesis
Patrick Henry
Mr. Worf
Purple Rose
Video Ranger
The Justice Minister
Simba The Great
La Mont Cranston
The Cable Guy
Served With Honor
Sleeping with Dogs
Jumping Conclusions
Law & Disorder
Taco Supreme
Warden Smithens
La Neena Huxley
Plonk You David Moore
A Giant Among Men
Cool Running
Major Pain
Construction Zone
Wolfman Jack
Fearless Fosdick
The Jedi Knight
John Connor
Hmmmmmmmmmmm didn't you miss a few of your buddy Moore???
Oh dipshit, I removed some newsgroups HURRY now LITTLE boy add them all
back!
Those are all you and you know it. You kno they are. Resume melting.....
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2004-06-30 20:44:36 UTC
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Post by krp
Say Carol, just HOW MANY Bin Ladens did Bush PERSONALLY fly out of the US on
9-11???????
lol... boy you really got Michael Moore on that one.

Will someone please step up and defend Pigbarn?
pedro martori
2004-07-01 04:24:33 UTC
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EL FESTIVAL DE LAS HIENAS EN CANNES
La reacción en Cannes de elación y júbilo ante otra de las habituales diatribas, difamaciones y ataques demenciales a que nos tiene acostumbrado Michael Moore, dice más sobre el pueblo francés y los lazos de depravación que une a Hollywood con las élites europeas que los méritos de pueda tener la película.
Francia de pie le brindó a Moore, en un paroxismo eyaculatorio colectivo, la más larga ovación jamás dada en el Festival de Cannes.
Esta es la nación que hoy estaría hablando en alemán sino fuera por nuestros heroicos soldados... y gracias a su cobardía colectiva, en menos de veinte años se verán obligados a cambiar el francés por el árabe, tal como lo están demando ahora en Bélgica aquellos que llegaron como inmigrantes y ahora se consideran amos del país exigiendo que se adopte el árabe como segunda lengua oficial de Bélgica.
El espectáculo vergonzoso de Cannes no es más que la reiteración del carácter del pueblo galo. No olvidemos que Hitler ocupó Francia sin apenas resistencia y encontró extensa colaboración del pueblo, al extremo de entregar a los nazis los judíos franceses para su exterminación, 60,000 de los cuales pudieron salvarse cruzando la frontera de España donde Franco les dio asilo reconociéndoles ciudadanos españoles como si todos fueran descendientes de los judíos sefarditas que fueron expulsados de España en 1492 por orden de los Reyes Católicos.
Hay un hecho que define de manera conclusiva la fibra moral del pueblo francés. Cuando las tropas americanas e inglesas derrotan y expulsan a los nazis de Francia, los aliados tuvieron la cortesía de permitirle a De Gaulle con sus escasas tropas de la resistencia a que encabezara el desfile triunfal al entrar en París.
Sin embargo, muy pronto De Gaulle decidió que Francia no debería formar parte de la Nato, la Alianza del Atlántico del Norte entre Europa Occidental y los Estados Unidos, alianza que evitó que cayeran bajo el yugo soviético como había ocurrido con la Europa Oriental. Como un ratón con complejo de león, De Gaulle rugió demandando la salida inmediata de todas las bases y tropas americanas del suelo francés.
Eisenhower, con la mayor dignidad le contestó, General, nos va a tomar cierto tiempo poder desenterrar todos nuestros muertos del suelo de Francia.
Hollywood y los franceses, en sus mentes enfermas comparten la común añoranza por las ideas desacreditadas y fracasadas del socialismo, ideas cuyo legado ha sido esclavitud y ríos de sangre a través Europa, Asia, África y la América Latina con la completa aprobación y complicidad de esas mismas élites.
Hoy vierten sus complejos de inferioridad contra la nación que hizo posible que ellos tuvieran la libertad para difamar y verter su odio sobre esta nación generosa que sacrificó sus mejores hijos para que ellos pudieran dar riendas sueltas a su envidia colectiva contra quienes los libraron del cautiverio alimentándoles y vistiéndoles cuando estaban sumidos en la peor de las miserias.
¿Qué piensa usted de la crisis de la investigación en Francia?
S.A.R. Carolina: "Es lamentable. En Francia hay verdadera escasez. Asistimos a una fuga de inteligencias. Eso será un empobrecimiento para la vida científica e intelectual. A veces se necesitan tres meses de espera para tener un microscopio en una unidad de investigación. Son aparatos que a menudo valen cerca de cuatrocientos cincuenta mil euros, pero no hay nada más que uno por universidad, es decir, para casi mil investigadores, que se ven obligados a esperar sin poder dedicarse a sus experimentos."
Esto es el producto del socialismo. Esa es la famosa medicina socializada europea. Un país que el verano pasado dejó morir de calor a decenas de miles de ancianos sin asistencia de familiares ni mucho menos de la cacareada medicina socializada. Los familiares, los médicos y enfermeras se habían ido a disfrutar de su mes de vacaciones y no se les podía molestar, ni mucho menos interrumpirlas, mientras sus ancianos morían en completo abandono.
Una pareja francesa paga gustosa 200 euros por una cena en un restaurante no de extremo lujo; pero no puede gastar 300 euros para un aire acondicionado para el cuarto del padre o la madre ancianos.
Da verdadero asco el desparpajo y tono de superioridad moral con que hablan sobre las bajas civiles inevitables en toda guerra, que han sido ínfimas en el año de la guerra de Irak, comparadas con cualquier otra guerra, y mucho menor que los ancianos que ellos dejaron morir en Francia en el periodo de menos de un mes.
Este es el país que quiere asumir el liderazgo de Europa y convertirse en un contrapeso de los Estados Unidos en la geopolítica global.
Un país que se opuso a la liberación de Irak porque había sido comprado por Saddam Hussein con contratos petroleros que representaban cerca de 100 billones de euros.
Un país que en contubernio con las Naciones Unidas, Alemania, Rusia y el propio Vaticano, estaban esquilmando de las bocas de los niños iraquíes billones de dólares que se suponía estaban destinados para comida y medicinas y no para construir palacios para Saddam y comprar influencias con políticos y miembros de la prensa internacional.
Francia, un país que se excedió aplicando las más brutales torturas durante la guerra de Argelia, aprobadas por el gobierno socialista de Mitterrand, se atreve a juzgar las idioteces cometidas contra prisioneros terroristas iraquíes por un pequeño grupo de soldados americanos, que más que torturas fueron humillaciones; pero que no obstante serán sometidos a las penas más severas que contemplen las leyes de la nación por violar las regulaciones y manchar el honor de nuestras heroicas y ejemplares fuerzas armadas.
El país que creó la guillotina para cercenar humanamente las cabezas de aquellos que la plebe consideraba superiores no ha podido exorcizar de su alma y de sus genes los demonios del terror jacobino y tratan de ver en otros un legado sangriento similar al suyo.
Ese deleite por la decapitación les hace compartir el gusto de los terroristas islámicos tan dados a ese arte, y por lo tanto no objetan cuando degüellan a un ser indefenso, especialmente, si la víctima es un americano.
¿Alguien oyó a Francia condenar los crímenes de Stalin, Mao, Pot Pol, Castro o la decapitación del infeliz Nick Berg?
Francia es un país que ha querido hacer de la ingratitud una virtud como quedó plasmado en el libro "La Obsesión Antiamericana" del filósofo y gran escritor francés Jean Francois Rebel.
Naturalmente, Moore se sentía en el Festival de Cannes a sus anchas por encontrarse entre hienas de la misma camada.
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2004-07-01 04:28:00 UTC
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This is an English language Newsgroup.

Bob
Post by pedro martori
EL FESTIVAL DE LAS HIENAS EN CANNES
La reacción en Cannes de elación y júbilo ante otra de las habituales diatribas, difamaciones y ataques demenciales a que nos tiene acostumbrado Michael Moore, dice más sobre el pueblo francés y los lazos de depravación que une a Hollywood con las élites europeas que los méritos de pueda tener la película.
Francia de pie le brindó a Moore, en un paroxismo eyaculatorio colectivo, la más larga ovación jamás dada en el Festival de Cannes.
Esta es la nación que hoy estaría hablando en alemán sino fuera por nuestros heroicos soldados... y gracias a su cobardía colectiva, en menos de veinte años se verán obligados a cambiar el francés por el árabe, tal como lo están demando ahora en Bélgica aquellos que llegaron como inmigrantes y ahora se consideran amos del país exigiendo que se adopte el árabe como segunda lengua oficial de Bélgica.
El espectáculo vergonzoso de Cannes no es más que la reiteración del carácter del pueblo galo. No olvidemos que Hitler ocupó Francia sin apenas resistencia y encontró extensa colaboración del pueblo, al extremo de entregar a los nazis los judíos franceses para su exterminación, 60,000 de los cuales pudieron salvarse cruzando la frontera de España donde Franco les dio asilo reconociéndoles ciudadanos españoles como si todos fueran descendientes de los judíos sefarditas que fueron expulsados de España en 1492 por orden de los Reyes Católicos.
Hay un hecho que define de manera conclusiva la fibra moral del pueblo francés. Cuando las tropas americanas e inglesas derrotan y expulsan a los nazis de Francia, los aliados tuvieron la cortesía de permitirle a De Gaulle con sus escasas tropas de la resistencia a que encabezara el desfile triunfal al entrar en París.
Sin embargo, muy pronto De Gaulle decidió que Francia no debería formar parte de la Nato, la Alianza del Atlántico del Norte entre Europa Occidental y los Estados Unidos, alianza que evitó que cayeran bajo el yugo soviético como había ocurrido con la Europa Oriental. Como un ratón con complejo de león, De Gaulle rugió demandando la salida inmediata de todas las bases y tropas americanas del suelo francés.
Eisenhower, con la mayor dignidad le contestó, General, nos va a tomar cierto tiempo poder desenterrar todos nuestros muertos del suelo de Francia.
Hollywood y los franceses, en sus mentes enfermas comparten la común añoranza por las ideas desacreditadas y fracasadas del socialismo, ideas cuyo legado ha sido esclavitud y ríos de sangre a través Europa, Asia, África y la América Latina con la completa aprobación y complicidad de esas mismas élites.
Hoy vierten sus complejos de inferioridad contra la nación que hizo posible que ellos tuvieran la libertad para difamar y verter su odio sobre esta nación generosa que sacrificó sus mejores hijos para que ellos pudieran dar riendas sueltas a su envidia colectiva contra quienes los libraron del cautiverio alimentándoles y vistiéndoles cuando estaban sumidos en la peor de las miserias.
¿Qué piensa usted de la crisis de la investigación en Francia?
S.A.R. Carolina: "Es lamentable. En Francia hay verdadera escasez. Asistimos a una fuga de inteligencias. Eso será un empobrecimiento para la vida científica e intelectual. A veces se necesitan tres meses de espera para tener un microscopio en una unidad de investigación. Son aparatos que a menudo valen cerca de cuatrocientos cincuenta mil euros, pero no hay nada más que uno por universidad, es decir, para casi mil investigadores, que se ven obligados a esperar sin poder dedicarse a sus experimentos."
Esto es el producto del socialismo. Esa es la famosa medicina socializada europea. Un país que el verano pasado dejó morir de calor a decenas de miles de ancianos sin asistencia de familiares ni mucho menos de la cacareada medicina socializada. Los familiares, los médicos y enfermeras se habían ido a disfrutar de su mes de vacaciones y no se les podía molestar, ni mucho menos interrumpirlas, mientras sus ancianos morían en completo abandono.
Una pareja francesa paga gustosa 200 euros por una cena en un restaurante no de extremo lujo; pero no puede gastar 300 euros para un aire acondicionado para el cuarto del padre o la madre ancianos.
Da verdadero asco el desparpajo y tono de superioridad moral con que hablan sobre las bajas civiles inevitables en toda guerra, que han sido ínfimas en el año de la guerra de Irak, comparadas con cualquier otra guerra, y mucho menor que los ancianos que ellos dejaron morir en Francia en el periodo de menos de un mes.
Este es el país que quiere asumir el liderazgo de Europa y convertirse en un contrapeso de los Estados Unidos en la geopolítica global.
Un país que se opuso a la liberación de Irak porque había sido comprado por Saddam Hussein con contratos petroleros que representaban cerca de 100 billones de euros.
Un país que en contubernio con las Naciones Unidas, Alemania, Rusia y el propio Vaticano, estaban esquilmando de las bocas de los niños iraquíes billones de dólares que se suponía estaban destinados para comida y medicinas y no para construir palacios para Saddam y comprar influencias con políticos y miembros de la prensa internacional.
Francia, un país que se excedió aplicando las más brutales torturas durante la guerra de Argelia, aprobadas por el gobierno socialista de Mitterrand, se atreve a juzgar las idioteces cometidas contra prisioneros terroristas iraquíes por un pequeño grupo de soldados americanos, que más que torturas fueron humillaciones; pero que no obstante serán sometidos a las penas más severas que contemplen las leyes de la nación por violar las regulaciones y manchar el honor de nuestras heroicas y ejemplares fuerzas armadas.
El país que creó la guillotina para cercenar humanamente las cabezas de aquellos que la plebe consideraba superiores no ha podido exorcizar de su alma y de sus genes los demonios del terror jacobino y tratan de ver en otros un legado sangriento similar al suyo.
Ese deleite por la decapitación les hace compartir el gusto de los terroristas islámicos tan dados a ese arte, y por lo tanto no objetan cuando degüellan a un ser indefenso, especialmente, si la víctima es un americano.
¿Alguien oyó a Francia condenar los crímenes de Stalin, Mao, Pot Pol, Castro o la decapitación del infeliz Nick Berg?
Francia es un país que ha querido hacer de la ingratitud una virtud como quedó plasmado en el libro "La Obsesión Antiamericana" del filósofo y gran escritor francés Jean Francois Rebel.
Naturalmente, Moore se sentía en el Festival de Cannes a sus anchas por encontrarse entre hienas de la misma camada.
Ivan B. Poo, M.D.
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KRP
2004-07-01 07:55:52 UTC
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This is an English language Newsgroup.
Bob
Bob your hero David Moore crossposted it to a Spanish speaking newsgroup the
little WEENIE troll that he is. This is his way of PRETENDING he actually
has a penis.
p_j
2004-07-01 16:14:40 UTC
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Post by KRP
This is his way of PRETENDING he actually
has a penis.
Will anyone step up and defend Pigbarn?
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-01 17:14:11 UTC
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Post by p_j
Post by KRP
This is his way of PRETENDING he actually
has a penis.
Will anyone step up and defend Pigbarn?
Something more to enrich Pangborn/Pigbarn's "his-teria."

Michael Moore on Charlie Rose:

http://www.charlierose.com/index.shtm
Robert Gautier
2004-07-02 04:25:15 UTC
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Post by KRP
Post by Bob
This is an English language Newsgroup.
Bob
Bob your hero David Moore crossposted it to a Spanish speaking newsgroup the
little WEENIE troll that he is. This is his way of PRETENDING he actually
has a penis.
Cross posting proves someone has a penis?
Bob
2004-07-02 06:25:35 UTC
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Post by KRP
Post by Bob
This is an English language Newsgroup.
Bob
Bob your hero David Moore crossposted it to a Spanish speaking newsgroup the
little WEENIE troll that he is. This is his way of PRETENDING he actually
has a penis.
NOt my hero. Fly your lie somewhere else.

Bob
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Mathew
2004-07-01 04:44:02 UTC
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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:24:33 -0400, "pedro martori"
Post by pedro martori
EL FESTIVAL DE LAS HIENAS EN CANNES
La reacción en Cannes de elación y júbilo ante otra de las habituales diatribas, difamaciones y ataques demenciales a que nos tiene acostumbrado Michael Moore, dice más sobre el pueblo francés y los lazos de depravación que une a Hollywood con las élites europeas que los méritos de pueda tener la película.
Francia de pie le brindó a Moore, en un paroxismo eyaculatorio colectivo, la más larga ovación jamás dada en el Festival de Cannes.
Esta es la nación que hoy estaría hablando en alemán sino fuera por nuestros heroicos soldados... y gracias a su cobardía colectiva, en menos de veinte años se verán obligados a cambiar el francés por el árabe, tal como lo están demando ahora en Bélgica aquellos que llegaron como inmigrantes y ahora se consideran amos del país exigiendo que se adopte el árabe como segunda lengua oficial de Bélgica.
El espectáculo vergonzoso de Cannes no es más que la reiteración del carácter del pueblo galo. No olvidemos que Hitler ocupó Francia sin apenas resistencia y encontró extensa colaboración del pueblo, al extremo de entregar a los nazis los judíos franceses para su exterminación, 60,000 de los cuales pudieron salvarse cruzando la frontera de España donde Franco les dio asilo reconociéndoles ciudadanos españoles como si todos fueran descendientes de los judíos sefarditas que fueron expulsados de España en 1492 por orden de los Reyes Católicos.
Hay un hecho que define de manera conclusiva la fibra moral del pueblo francés. Cuando las tropas americanas e inglesas derrotan y expulsan a los nazis de Francia, los aliados tuvieron la cortesía de permitirle a De Gaulle con sus escasas tropas de la resistencia a que encabezara el desfile triunfal al entrar en París.
Sin embargo, muy pronto De Gaulle decidió que Francia no debería formar parte de la Nato, la Alianza del Atlántico del Norte entre Europa Occidental y los Estados Unidos, alianza que evitó que cayeran bajo el yugo soviético como había ocurrido con la Europa Oriental. Como un ratón con complejo de león, De Gaulle rugió demandando la salida inmediata de todas las bases y tropas americanas del suelo francés.
Eisenhower, con la mayor dignidad le contestó, General, nos va a tomar cierto tiempo poder desenterrar todos nuestros muertos del suelo de Francia.
Hollywood y los franceses, en sus mentes enfermas comparten la común añoranza por las ideas desacreditadas y fracasadas del socialismo, ideas cuyo legado ha sido esclavitud y ríos de sangre a través Europa, Asia, África y la América Latina con la completa aprobación y complicidad de esas mismas élites.
Hoy vierten sus complejos de inferioridad contra la nación que hizo posible que ellos tuvieran la libertad para difamar y verter su odio sobre esta nación generosa que sacrificó sus mejores hijos para que ellos pudieran dar riendas sueltas a su envidia colectiva contra quienes los libraron del cautiverio alimentándoles y vistiéndoles cuando estaban sumidos en la peor de las miserias.
¿Qué piensa usted de la crisis de la investigación en Francia?
S.A.R. Carolina: "Es lamentable. En Francia hay verdadera escasez. Asistimos a una fuga de inteligencias. Eso será un empobrecimiento para la vida científica e intelectual. A veces se necesitan tres meses de espera para tener un microscopio en una unidad de investigación. Son aparatos que a menudo valen cerca de cuatrocientos cincuenta mil euros, pero no hay nada más que uno por universidad, es decir, para casi mil investigadores, que se ven obligados a esperar sin poder dedicarse a sus experimentos."
Esto es el producto del socialismo. Esa es la famosa medicina socializada europea. Un país que el verano pasado dejó morir de calor a decenas de miles de ancianos sin asistencia de familiares ni mucho menos de la cacareada medicina socializada. Los familiares, los médicos y enfermeras se habían ido a disfrutar de su mes de vacaciones y no se les podía molestar, ni mucho menos interrumpirlas, mientras sus ancianos morían en completo abandono.
Una pareja francesa paga gustosa 200 euros por una cena en un restaurante no de extremo lujo; pero no puede gastar 300 euros para un aire acondicionado para el cuarto del padre o la madre ancianos.
Da verdadero asco el desparpajo y tono de superioridad moral con que hablan sobre las bajas civiles inevitables en toda guerra, que han sido ínfimas en el año de la guerra de Irak, comparadas con cualquier otra guerra, y mucho menor que los ancianos que ellos dejaron morir en Francia en el periodo de menos de un mes.
Este es el país que quiere asumir el liderazgo de Europa y convertirse en un contrapeso de los Estados Unidos en la geopolítica global.
Un país que se opuso a la liberación de Irak porque había sido comprado por Saddam Hussein con contratos petroleros que representaban cerca de 100 billones de euros.
Un país que en contubernio con las Naciones Unidas, Alemania, Rusia y el propio Vaticano, estaban esquilmando de las bocas de los niños iraquíes billones de dólares que se suponía estaban destinados para comida y medicinas y no para construir palacios para Saddam y comprar influencias con políticos y miembros de la prensa internacional.
Francia, un país que se excedió aplicando las más brutales torturas durante la guerra de Argelia, aprobadas por el gobierno socialista de Mitterrand, se atreve a juzgar las idioteces cometidas contra prisioneros terroristas iraquíes por un pequeño grupo de soldados americanos, que más que torturas fueron humillaciones; pero que no obstante serán sometidos a las penas más severas que contemplen las leyes de la nación por violar las regulaciones y manchar el honor de nuestras heroicas y ejemplares fuerzas armadas.
El país que creó la guillotina para cercenar humanamente las cabezas de aquellos que la plebe consideraba superiores no ha podido exorcizar de su alma y de sus genes los demonios del terror jacobino y tratan de ver en otros un legado sangriento similar al suyo.
Ese deleite por la decapitación les hace compartir el gusto de los terroristas islámicos tan dados a ese arte, y por lo tanto no objetan cuando degüellan a un ser indefenso, especialmente, si la víctima es un americano.
¿Alguien oyó a Francia condenar los crímenes de Stalin, Mao, Pot Pol, Castro o la decapitación del infeliz Nick Berg?
Francia es un país que ha querido hacer de la ingratitud una virtud como quedó plasmado en el libro "La Obsesión Antiamericana" del filósofo y gran escritor francés Jean Francois Rebel.
Naturalmente, Moore se sentía en el Festival de Cannes a sus anchas por encontrarse entre hienas de la misma camada.
Ivan B. Poo, M.D.
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It's a sad state of affairs, some of my favorite writing come from
1700's France.

Perhaps big brass Quebec monkey balls could straighten the road a bit?
p_j
2004-06-30 20:44:34 UTC
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Kenny claims to be working for the Kerry campaign in Florida.
But then you aren't REALLY a Democrat anyhow.
'Pigbarn,' 'kookla,' or just kenny to his pedophile pals, is a Bush
shill and an extremist.
p_j
2004-06-30 04:35:33 UTC
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MoorE doesn't "REVEAL " SHIT!!!!!!! He "CLAIMS" but the Bin Laden
family did not leave until AFTER regular flights resumed. The Saud family,
left on the 13th. And it was NOT 132. Only about 25 left on that flight. ALL
but ONE had been interviewed by the FBI with ONE exception. A PRINCE who is
an AMBASSADOR type. Secretly? SORRY BULLSHIT!!! Did Bush call Tommy Brokaw?
NOPE............. Funny the St. Petersburg Times seems to have managed to
have UNCOVERED this little :SECRET" and published it. SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS..
The SUPER DUPER SECRET ring had a leak in it!
SHUDDER!!!!!!!!
Translation: the old fat pervert hasn't seen the film. Its too tedious,
to respond to his inventions, but they really are getting better. I
wonder if the St. Pete Times should be warned that a lunatic is angry
they published something that isn't Bush approved.
Bush, his father and their pals are all deeply involved in shady business
deals with the bin Laden and Saud families.
FULL OF SHIT! TYPICAL of the LUNATIC left. Do you work for the RNC?
The success of this movie is making him incoherent... well, more
incoherent than usual.
p_j
2004-06-30 20:44:36 UTC
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Get that picture in your mind of them sawing off
a man's head alive with him screaming in pain and KNOW that is what YOU are
associated with!
Nick Berg? He was dead before his head was cut off. I don't know who did
it, but it may not be Iraqis.
Think that is what YOU are identified with CAROL!
ENDORSING!
(and too damn STUPID to realize it!!!)
Who could be more stupid that a pigbarn trying to pretend he is working
for Kerry by lying and shilling for Bush.

Go away beelzebub boy.
p_j
2004-07-04 22:19:42 UTC
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Isn't it amazing how distraught and willing to lie kookla is,
considering that he is a Kerry supporter and working for him in Florida.

Of course anyone who challenges his laughable lies is a "stalker."

What a bizarro.
Kenpangborn
2004-07-05 17:25:28 UTC
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Newsgroups: milw.general, fl.general, soc.men, soc.culture.cuba
considering that he is a Kerry supporter and working for him in Florida.
p_j John Kerry is NOT making any of these CRAZY arguments only WHACKOS like
you who appear to be secret RNC saboteurs make them.

NO BIN LADENS flew out of the US on 9-11 by Bush decree!
Of course anyone who challenges his laughable lies is a "stalker."
Not at all, I can handle the challenges. People cross over into the STALKER
camp when they start chasing the people they disagree with all over the net and
post literally hundreds of SOLELY PERSONAL ATTACKS.....

Oh and p_j, it is pretty clear proof of a SEVERE mental illness.

GET HELP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
p_j
2004-07-04 22:19:44 UTC
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THEY DID IDIOT!!! The FBI interviewd ALL but ONE.
lol... just keep making it up as you go
ANd while YOU may wish
to make a big deal out of it you CANNOT haul tghe ass in of a Prince who is
also a DIPLOMAT!
lol... complete with some frosting on the yellowcake

I guess a sure sign that he knows he is full of shit is that he refuses
to discuss the flights that flew all sorts of Saudi and Saudi connected
people around the country when planes were grounded.

He just moves right back to his strawman.



I wonder if he really did buy his most recent wife.
Kenpangborn
2004-07-05 17:21:41 UTC
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Newsgroups: milw.general, fl.general, soc.men, soc.culture.cuba
I guess a sure sign that he knows he is full of shit is that he refuses
to discuss the flights that flew all sorts of Saudi and Saudi connected
people around the country when planes were grounded.
Wrong! There were excactly TWO flights on the 13th. NONE on the 11th after the
grounding except military. NONE on the 12th. The TWO on the 13th came only
hours before commercial flights resumed.
So this p_j IDIOT'S claims are bullshit.
'
p_j
2004-07-04 22:19:45 UTC
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"Letting the House of Saud airlift its favorites out of America while the
World Trade Centers still smoldered was an offensive and stupid decision.
It amounted to, in essence, putting the corrupt Saudi Arabian dictatorship
briefly in charge of our FBI. Dale Watson, the FBI's former head of
counterterrorism, told Vanity Fair his men had to argue with Prince Bandar
to even find out who was on the plane. He says, 'They were not subject to
serious interviews or interrogations.' Why not?"
http://www.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhtml?bid=6&pid=941
Gee, Prince Bandar, which if a person goes to see Moore's film, knows is
referred to as Bandar Bush.

I hadn't heard that the FBI had to argue to find out who was on the
flights. Michael Moore has really done a public service raising these
issues. Ironically moronic Bush shills like Pangborn have helped by
squeaking and squawking and keeping issues in the spotlight.
A year ago, on the first anniversary of the attacks, the conservative
National Review took a smart look at the Saudi airlift. "At the time, the
massive 9/11 investigation was just beginning," wrote Byron York. "The
government had begun detaining hundreds of people who were held for days,
weeks, or months while US agents performed extensive background checks and
interviews. In addition, the government announced its intention to
question thousands of men from Muslim countries who might simply have
known something of interest to the investigation. 'The Department of
Justice is waging a deliberate campaign of arrest and detention to protect
American lives,' Attorney General John Ashcroft said on November 27.
"But the bin Ladens did not have to worry about that. ... Each family
member was given the all-clear on the basis of a single, day-of-departure
interview -- conducted, in [FBI spokesman] Bill Carter's words, "at the
airport, as they were about to leave."
National Review then quoted a former top Justice Department official as
saying: "It was obvious at the time that the Bureau did not have the kind
of intelligence to know who was behind [the 9/11 attacks], how they were
financed, and what the US connections might have been." That expert also
noted: "It is an absolute rule of law enforcement that the agent or
officers conducting the interviews control the interview, and that the
persons of interest, suspects, or prospective defendants do not set the
ground rules for the interview."
WOW. Even in National Review AKA Nationalist Review AKA Neo-con Review.

As an aside, Bill Buckley said that in hindsight, he wouldn't have
supported the war.
p_j
2004-07-08 15:17:14 UTC
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THEY DID IDIOT!!! The FBI interviewd ALL but ONE. ANd while YOU may
wish
to make a big deal out of it you CANNOT haul tghe ass in of a Prince
who
is also a DIPLOMAT! Well maybe in YOUR twisted mind,
"Letting the House of Saud airlift its favorites out of America while
the
World Trade Centers still smoldered was an offensive and stupid
decision.
ITS INTERNATIONAL LAW YOU TWIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps you might like to document that allegation.
Gee, you forgot to back up your spewing. What a surprise.
It is the CUSTOM.
And that one, too.
Heads of state and Royaltu ALWAYS have diplomatic PASSAGE!!!!!
Perhaps you mean Royalty? But in any case, not all of the Saudis
and bin Ladens who were spirited out of the country post 9/11 were
royalty.
There were NO................ BIN LADENS "spirited" out of the country!!
Right, they were spirited around the country and then allowed to leave
without being interrogated. Bush shills will respond that they were
"questioned" even though it was brief. The FBI talked about how
difficult it was for them to even find out who was on the flights.
NONE!!! Some left on commercial flights. WHY NOT??
Commercial flights? Sure Pigbarn. And your wives aren't discards and you
work for John Kerry.
Were they guilty of something?
Apparently there are many links between Osama and his family, including
financial and good relations went on long after the RNC talking points
claim. Funding to Osama was made by a variety of Saudis including the
royal family.

So much for Bush's bluster about who is for us and who is against us.
"Bandar Bush" is part of the family and had a meeting at the Whore House
on 9/13.
p_j
2004-07-08 15:17:15 UTC
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"But the bin Ladens did not have to worry about that. ... Each family
member was given the all-clear on the basis of a single,
day-of-departure
interview -- conducted, in [FBI spokesman] Bill Carter's words, "at
the
airport, as they were about to leave."
THAT was NOT on 9-11, 9-12, OR 9-13.......
Which isn't a response. You are contradicting your own violent diarhea.
IT WAS THE DAMN ROYAL FAMILY CAROL!!!!!!!
I don't think the were all royals. Can you prove that they were all
royals?
We are speaking ONLY of 9-13 and the flight from TAMPA to Kentucky!
Bull. You just want to limit it to that bizarre flight. The Saudis
flying when others couldn't is part of the story. You are just trying to
limit it to stand by some irrelevant point that the bin Ladens and
royalty weren't on that one flight.

Bandar Bush couldn't leave because he stil had to tell Deserter George
what to do.
krp
2004-07-09 01:58:22 UTC
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NE stalker
Post by p_j
We are speaking ONLY of 9-13 and the flight from TAMPA to Kentucky!
Bull. You just want to limit it to that bizarre flight. The Saudis
flying when others couldn't is part of the story. You are just trying to
limit it to stand by some irrelevant point that the bin Ladens and
royalty weren't on that one flight.
The ONLY flight that happened (non official) that happened was a private
jet from Tamps to Kentucky on 9-13. NONE on 9-11 and NONE on 9-12!
Do you know the meaning of the word NONE jackass? ONE flight on 9-13. By
9-14 civil flights resumed.

You are too much the stupid dipshit to understand the subject at hand.
That is following the attacks on 9-11 when all civilian air traffic was
halted, there was only ONE.... flight that was authorized. That ONE flight
happened on 9-13 HOURS before the flight band was lifted. And on THAT flight
there were ONLY Saudi Royals... Care to TRY to PROVE differently asswipe??

Thought not! All you are is a pathetic LOSER anonymous TROLL probably 12
years old and long overdue for his mommy go give him one hell of an
asswhipping!
p_j
2004-07-09 17:51:51 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by p_j
Bull. You just want to limit it to that bizarre flight. The Saudis
flying when others couldn't is part of the story. You are just trying to
limit it to stand by some irrelevant point that the bin Ladens and
royalty weren't on that one flight.
The ONLY flight that happened (non official) that happened was a private
jet from Tamps to Kentucky on 9-13.
Which the Bush administration first claimed didn't exist. Why not dig up
some old press releases. You could then argue that one never happened.

By the way, the flight continued on to London. Don't leave that out next
time.
Post by krp
NONE on 9-11 and NONE on 9-12!
Do you know the meaning of the word NONE jackass? ONE flight on 9-13. By
9-14 civil flights resumed.
Oh, come now pervert. Even your "facts" in this claim are only half
true. Logan was closed past 9/14. But hey, this bold statement sounds a
lot like what you claimed never happened.

Just keep shifting the goalposts, changing the rules and rewriting
history. And what is it all for? So Bush will get elected. End justifies
the means - especially to a "Catholic" like you, eh pediatrician
Pigbarn?
Post by krp
You are too much the stupid dipshit to understand the subject at hand.
Oh sure I do. You keep changing the facts and allegations to discredit
Moore. You are a Bush shill.
Post by krp
That is following the attacks on 9-11 when all civilian air traffic was
halted, there was only ONE.... flight that was authorized. That ONE flight
happened on 9-13 HOURS before the flight band was lifted. And on THAT flight
there were ONLY Saudi Royals... Care to TRY to PROVE differently asswipe??
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?

http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003

http://baltimorechronicle.com/040904SaudiCIA.shtml
Post by krp
Thought not! All you are is a pathetic LOSER anonymous TROLL probably 12
years old and long overdue for his mommy go give him one hell of an
asswhipping!
Who is going to do it? You? You prey on women and children.

Besides who could be a bigger LOSER than you with your sick life, your
trail of victims and your years of trolling the internet squeaking and
squawking for scum like Bush.

Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
krp
2004-07-10 00:55:34 UTC
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Post by p_j
Post by krp
The ONLY flight that happened (non official) that happened was a private
jet from Tamps to Kentucky on 9-13.
Which the Bush administration first claimed didn't exist. Why not dig up
some old press releases. You could then argue that one never happened.
That is because it was cleared by Tom Clarke not by the administration
itself. Clarke did it on his own without telling any superiors.
Post by p_j
By the way, the flight continued on to London. Don't leave that out next
time.
Nice TRY bullshitter it was a charter LEAR.... B ut then I would expect
in your GREAT expertise to KNOW that a Lear like that which was used does
NOT bhave the range to fly to London from Kentucky. The fligbht that DID fly
on to London was on the NEXT DAY (14th) and was a 727. Want to try again
dipshit?
Post by p_j
Post by krp
NONE on 9-11 and NONE on 9-12!
Do you know the meaning of the word NONE jackass? ONE flight on 9-13. By
9-14 civil flights resumed.
Oh, come now pervert. Even your "facts" in this claim are only half
true. Logan was closed past 9/14. But hey, this bold statement sounds a
lot like what you claimed never happened.
Logan was closed for other reasons. Mainly that their security system
was TOTAL SHIT! They couldn't recertify for security screening. It remained
a MESS for almost 2 weeks. A couple other airports were also complete
cluster fukks as well. But generally civil aviation resumed on 9-14 except
for airports thaty TOTALLY and LAUGHABLY FAILED secutity screening.
Post by p_j
Just keep shifting the goalposts, changing the rules and rewriting
history. And what is it all for? So Bush will get elected. End justifies
the means - especially to a "Catholic" like you, eh pediatrician
Pigbarn?
What goalposts did *I* move? It appears mote that YOU are the one
desperately trying to move them. The truth is that aviation resumbed on 9-14
other than specific airports that had gross failures in secutiry and were
RELUCTANT to rectify the problems. Maybe if you recall, the administrator of
Logan had to be FIRED for REFUSING to fix the problems.
Post by p_j
Post by krp
You are too much the stupid dipshit to understand the subject at hand.
Oh sure I do. You keep changing the facts and allegations to discredit
Moore. You are a Bush shill.
Michael Moore? His claims were simply FALSE and on more than ONE subject. I
see you duck the others.
Post by p_j
Post by krp
That is following the attacks on 9-11 when all civilian air traffic was
halted, there was only ONE.... flight that was authorized. That ONE flight
happened on 9-13 HOURS before the flight band was lifted. And on THAT flight
there were ONLY Saudi Royals... Care to TRY to PROVE differently asswipe??
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?
NO flights with anyone from the BIN LADEN family. NONE on 9-11, 9-12, or
9-13.
Post by p_j
http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003
YOUR QUOTE... What does it REALLY SAY????

"THE United States allowed members of Osama bin Laden's family to jet out of
the US in the immediate aftermath of September 11, even as American airspace
was closed.

Former White House counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke said the Bush
administration sanctioned the repatriation of about 140 high-ranking Saudi
Arabians, including relatives of the al-Qaida chief.

"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an aeroplane filled
with Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family, leave the country,"
he said.

Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I
said: 'Fine, let it happen.'"

DATES???? Not in the article but here is what it said:


"The plane is believed to have landed in ten US cities picking up
passengers, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston. At the
time, access to US airspace was restricted and required special government
approval. "

Airspace was restricted for almost 10 days but civil aviations was allowed
to slowly resume. So?

Now, let's see if your second cource contradicts what I said.... NO flights
on 9-11 as Moore claimed, NONE on 9-12 either. I said 9-13. Now let's see
Post by p_j
http://baltimorechronicle.com/040904SaudiCIA.shtml
"A September 13 flight from Lexington KY to London carried 15 passengers
including eight Saudis; a Las Vegas-to-Switzerland flight the next day
carried seven Saudis; a "VIP flight" from New York to Paris on September 22
carried 12 passengers including four Saudis; and another Las Vegas-to-Paris
VIP flight on September 24 carried 24 passengers including 11 Saudis. Some
individuals who jetted away would have been "persons of interest" in any
traditional investigation, and others had round-the-clock knowledge of
them."


Oh 9-13, 9-14, 9-22......... 9-24..................... Bin Ladens?

AND............

"Questions abound. If Saudi royals and other Muslims feared reprisals, and
were allowed to leave for their personal safety, how could that rationale
have applied to British citizens Jack Rusbridge and Anthony John Stafford,
on the flight out of Lexington, or to US citizen Dean Earl Knect, on the
Vegas-Paris flight? Assuming that diplomatic immunity covers the
20,000-member Saud family, does it also cover family employees of other
nationalities, including British and American?"

Bin Ladens?

Here is the HOT issue of the article.............

"What were the Saudi royals and the others doing in Las Vegas?"

What does ANYONE do in Vegas????

Now thie ultra CREDIBLE article goes on to this leap of logic:

"What were the Saudi royals and the others doing in Las Vegas? When did
these officials and those connected with them go to Las Vegas, and how long
did they stay there? What reason could the hijackers have had for trips to
Vegas in the first place, other than to rendezvous with authorities, given
that any extra movement increased their chances of getting caught? Is the
White House really going to pretend that five skyjackers including the
fervently devout Atta went to Vegas, separately and together at different
times, only to fit in a little gambling? Was Las Vegas really just a
convenient hub for the travelers? What other passengers on several other
flights out were connected to these?"

The reporter leaps from picking up some members of the Saudi royal
family to Muhammad Atta links with them? Does he even show they were
together? NO! He admits they were there at different times and places....
WHAT LOGIC?
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Thought not! All you are is a pathetic LOSER anonymous TROLL probably 12
years old and long overdue for his mommy go give him one hell of an
asswhipping!
Who is going to do it? You? You prey on women and children.
So you continually claim but NEVER substantiate. You make these
allegations at a SAFE distance... Maybe you ARE indeed a child amd fear me.
Post by p_j
Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
Nope I will even say it again!
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 01:56:26 UTC
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Post by krp
Michael Moore? His claims were simply FALSE and on more than ONE subject. I
see you duck the others.
-----excerpt from TIME Magazine-----
Fahrenheit 9/11 may also be branded as the film that made an overblown
case against the Bush team. Certainly defenders of the Iraq war are
already casting it that way. Limbaugh calls it "a pack of lies." In the
online publication Slate, Christopher Hitchens wrote that it was "a
sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in
seriousness." Even liberal Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, an
opponent of the war, told his readers that he "recoiled from Moore's
methodology." To mount fast responses to critics like those, Moore has
organized a "war room" overseen by former Clinton White House aides Chris
Lehane and Mark Fabiani. He also hired the former chief of fact checking
at the New Yorker magazine to comb the film for inaccuracies. "There's
lots of disagreement with my analysis of these facts or my opinion based
on the facts. But," he insists, "there is not a single factual error in
the movie. I'm thinking of offering a $ 10,000 reward for anyone that can
find a single fact that's wrong."

"...We may come to look back on its [Fahrenheit 9/11] hugely successful
first week the way we now think of the televised presidential debate
between John Kennedy and Richard Nixon, as a moment when we grasped for
the first time the potential of a mass medium in this case, movies to
affect American politics in new ways."
-----end excerpts from:
The World According to Michael by Richard Corliss
Time Magazine Cover Story, July 12, 2004 issue
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?
NO flights with anyone from the BIN LADEN family. NONE on 9-11, 9-12, or
9-13.
Post by p_j
http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003
YOUR QUOTE... What does it REALLY SAY????
"THE United States allowed members of Osama bin Laden's family to jet out of
the US in the immediate aftermath of September 11, even as American airspace
was closed.
Former White House counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke said the Bush
administration sanctioned the repatriation of about 140 high-ranking Saudi
Arabians, including relatives of the al-Qaida chief.
"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an aeroplane filled
with Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family, leave the country,"
he said.
Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I
said: 'Fine, let it happen.'"
"The plane is believed to have landed in ten US cities picking up
passengers, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston. At the
time, access to US airspace was restricted and required special government
approval. "
Airspace was restricted for almost 10 days but civil aviations was allowed
to slowly resume. So?
Now, let's see if your second cource contradicts what I said.... NO flights
on 9-11 as Moore claimed,
Prove it.

<snip>
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
Nope I will even say it again!
That's good. The directors of the campaign are on top of this. By your
fruits (archived usenet posts) they will know you.


" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
krp
2004-07-10 12:12:27 UTC
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Still forced to crosspost are you Carol? Who has the gun to your head POOR
little helpless girl!
Post by Carol Lee Smith
Post by krp
Michael Moore? His claims were simply FALSE and on more than ONE subject. I
see you duck the others.
-----excerpt from TIME Magazine-----
Fahrenheit 9/11 may also be branded as the film that made an overblown
case against the Bush team. Certainly defenders of the Iraq war are
already casting it that way. Limbaugh calls it "a pack of lies." In the
online publication Slate, Christopher Hitchens wrote that it was "a
sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in
seriousness." Even liberal Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, an
opponent of the war, told his readers that he "recoiled from Moore's
methodology." To mount fast responses to critics like those, Moore has
organized a "war room" overseen by former Clinton White House aides Chris
Lehane and Mark Fabiani. He also hired the former chief of fact checking
at the New Yorker magazine to comb the film for inaccuracies. "There's
lots of disagreement with my analysis of these facts or my opinion based
on the facts. But," he insists, "there is not a single factual error in
the movie. I'm thinking of offering a $ 10,000 reward for anyone that can
find a single fact that's wrong."
"...We may come to look back on its [Fahrenheit 9/11] hugely successful
first week the way we now think of the televised presidential debate
between John Kennedy and Richard Nixon, as a moment when we grasped for
the first time the potential of a mass medium in this case, movies to
affect American politics in new ways."
The World According to Michael by Richard Corliss
Time Magazine Cover Story, July 12, 2004 issue
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?
NO flights with anyone from the BIN LADEN family. NONE on 9-11, 9-12, or
9-13.
Post by p_j
http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003
YOUR QUOTE... What does it REALLY SAY????
"THE United States allowed members of Osama bin Laden's family to jet out of
the US in the immediate aftermath of September 11, even as American airspace
was closed.
Former White House counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke said the Bush
administration sanctioned the repatriation of about 140 high-ranking Saudi
Arabians, including relatives of the al-Qaida chief.
"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an aeroplane filled
with Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family, leave the country,"
he said.
Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I
said: 'Fine, let it happen.'"
"The plane is believed to have landed in ten US cities picking up
passengers, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston. At the
time, access to US airspace was restricted and required special government
approval. "
Airspace was restricted for almost 10 days but civil aviations was allowed
to slowly resume. So?
Now, let's see if your second cource contradicts what I said.... NO flights
on 9-11 as Moore claimed,
Prove it.
<snip>
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
Nope I will even say it again!
That's good. The directors of the campaign are on top of this. By your
fruits (archived usenet posts) they will know you.
" ... the real difference between liberals and conservatives in this
country is that conservatives think sex is very, very important and
liberals think sex is essentially trivial. ... " --Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com/chd/sex.html
Carol Lee Smith
2004-07-10 17:35:41 UTC
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Post by krp
Still forced to crosspost are you Carol? Who has the gun to your head POOR
little helpless girl!
Still forced to crosspost, Kenny?
p_j
2004-07-10 21:37:41 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by p_j
Post by krp
The ONLY flight that happened (non official) that happened was a
private
Post by p_j
Post by krp
jet from Tamps to Kentucky on 9-13.
Which the Bush administration first claimed didn't exist. Why not dig up
some old press releases. You could then argue that one never happened.
That is because it was cleared by Tom Clarke not by the administration
itself. Clarke did it on his own without telling any superiors.
Tom Clarke? You really are an idiot. According to Richard Clarke he was
acting based on a request made to him.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
By the way, the flight continued on to London. Don't leave that out next
time.
Nice TRY bullshitter it was a charter LEAR.... B ut then I would expect
in your GREAT expertise to KNOW that a Lear like that which was used does
NOT bhave the range to fly to London from Kentucky.
It made a bunch of stops.

The fligbht that DID fly
Post by krp
on to London was on the NEXT DAY (14th) and was a 727. Want to try again
dipshit?
You're guessing.
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NONE on 9-11 and NONE on 9-12!
Do you know the meaning of the word NONE jackass? ONE flight on 9-13.
By
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9-14 civil flights resumed.
Oh, come now pervert. Even your "facts" in this claim are only half
true. Logan was closed past 9/14. But hey, this bold statement sounds a
lot like what you claimed never happened.
Logan was closed for other reasons. Mainly that their security system
was TOTAL SHIT!
Sure Pigbarn, just make shit up as you need it.
Post by krp
They couldn't recertify for security screening. It remained
a MESS for almost 2 weeks. A couple other airports were also complete
cluster fukks as well. But generally civil aviation resumed on 9-14 except
for airports thaty TOTALLY and LAUGHABLY FAILED secutity screening.
Shouting doesn't make something true. I'm sure your ex-wives already
realize this as well as any other "discards" that you refuse to
elaborate on.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Just keep shifting the goalposts, changing the rules and rewriting
history. And what is it all for? So Bush will get elected. End justifies
the means - especially to a "Catholic" like you, eh pediatrician
Pigbarn?
What goalposts did *I* move? It appears mote that YOU are the one
desperately trying to move them.
Well, for one, you initially claimed that no flights left the US. You
shift around and refuse to discuss flights within the US.
Post by krp
The truth is that aviation resumbed on 9-14
other than specific airports that had gross failures in secutiry and were
RELUCTANT to rectify the problems. Maybe if you recall, the administrator of
Logan had to be FIRED for REFUSING to fix the problems.
I don't recall that at all. You got a cite?
Post by krp
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You are too much the stupid dipshit to understand the subject at
hand.
Post by p_j
Oh sure I do. You keep changing the facts and allegations to discredit
Moore. You are a Bush shill.
Michael Moore? His claims were simply FALSE
Which you never list Bush shill.
Post by krp
and on more than ONE subject.
Which you never list Bush shill.
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I
see you duck the others.
Don't know WTF you are blathering about Bush shill.
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That is following the attacks on 9-11 when all civilian air traffic was
halted, there was only ONE.... flight that was authorized. That ONE
flight
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happened on 9-13 HOURS before the flight band was lifted. And on THAT
flight
Post by p_j
Post by krp
there were ONLY Saudi Royals... Care to TRY to PROVE differently
asswipe??
Post by p_j
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?
NO flights with anyone from the BIN LADEN family. NONE on 9-11, 9-12, or
9-13.
Non-responsive. Do you teach that to the pedophiles and rapists that you
make your living with?
Post by krp
Post by p_j
http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003
YOUR QUOTE... What does it REALLY SAY????
"THE United States allowed members of Osama bin Laden's family to jet out of
the US in the immediate aftermath of September 11, even as American airspace
was closed.
Former White House counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke said the Bush
administration sanctioned the repatriation of about 140 high-ranking Saudi
Arabians, including relatives of the al-Qaida chief.
"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an aeroplane filled
with Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family, leave the country,"
he said.
Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I
said: 'Fine, let it happen.'"
"The plane is believed to have landed in ten US cities picking up
passengers, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston. At the
time, access to US airspace was restricted and required special government
approval. "
Airspace was restricted for almost 10 days but civil aviations was allowed
to slowly resume. So?
Remember you fat whore Bush shill: you calimed that no flights were made
in the US other than a single one between Terrorland (Florida) and
Kentucky. Of course I don't expect you to respond to the contradiction
of your own Bush shilling disinformation. You never do. What a strategy.
Is it part of your religion?
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Post by p_j
http://baltimorechronicle.com/040904SaudiCIA.shtml
"A September 13 flight from Lexington KY to London carried 15 passengers
including eight Saudis; a Las Vegas-to-Switzerland flight the next day
carried seven Saudis; a "VIP flight" from New York to Paris on September 22
carried 12 passengers including four Saudis; and another Las Vegas-to-Paris
VIP flight on September 24 carried 24 passengers including 11 Saudis. Some
individuals who jetted away would have been "persons of interest" in any
traditional investigation, and others had round-the-clock knowledge of
them."
Oh 9-13, 9-14, 9-22......... 9-24..................... Bin Ladens?
AND............
"Questions abound. If Saudi royals and other Muslims feared reprisals, and
were allowed to leave for their personal safety, how could that rationale
have applied to British citizens Jack Rusbridge and Anthony John Stafford,
on the flight out of Lexington, or to US citizen Dean Earl Knect, on the
Vegas-Paris flight? Assuming that diplomatic immunity covers the
20,000-member Saud family, does it also cover family employees of other
nationalities, including British and American?"
Bin Ladens?
Good question. Do you care? Do you want to know. The answer is you want
Bush to win reelection. You are a pathetic Bush shill.
Post by krp
Post by p_j
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Thought not! All you are is a pathetic LOSER anonymous TROLL probably
12
Post by p_j
Post by krp
years old and long overdue for his mommy go give him one hell of an
asswhipping!
Who is going to do it? You? You prey on women and children.
So you continually claim but NEVER substantiate.
WTF do you want, a videotape? I only go by your own words.
Post by krp
You make these
allegations at a SAFE distance... Maybe you ARE indeed a child amd fear me.
When are you coming to Wisconsin?
Post by krp
Post by p_j
Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
Nope I will even say it again!
You are a Bush shill and your defense of plausible deniability doesn't
change the truth.

Thanks for being completely impotent in your attack on Moore.
krp
2004-07-11 13:04:55 UTC
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That is because it was cleared by Tom Clarke not by the
administration
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itself. Clarke did it on his own without telling any superiors.
Tom Clarke? You really are an idiot. According to Richard Clarke he was
acting based on a request made to him.
By BUSH? What are you saying psycho?
p_j
2004-07-11 16:45:47 UTC
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Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Post by krp
That is because it was cleared by Tom Clarke not by the
administration
Post by p_j
Post by krp
itself. Clarke did it on his own without telling any superiors.
Tom Clarke? You really are an idiot. According to Richard Clarke he was
acting based on a request made to him.
By BUSH? What are you saying psycho?
I'm repeating his words. How hard is that to understand Bush shill.
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
By the way, the flight continued on to London. Don't leave that out next
time.
Nice TRY bullshitter it was a charter LEAR.... B ut then I would expect
in your GREAT expertise to KNOW that a Lear like that which was used does
NOT bhave the range to fly to London from Kentucky.
It made a bunch of stops.

The fligbht that DID fly
Post by clintonG
on to London was on the NEXT DAY (14th) and was a 727. Want to try again
dipshit?
You're guessing.
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Post by krp
NONE on 9-11 and NONE on 9-12!
Do you know the meaning of the word NONE jackass? ONE flight on 9-13.
By
Post by p_j
Post by krp
9-14 civil flights resumed.
Oh, come now pervert. Even your "facts" in this claim are only half
true. Logan was closed past 9/14. But hey, this bold statement sounds a
lot like what you claimed never happened.
Logan was closed for other reasons. Mainly that their security system
was TOTAL SHIT!
Sure Pigbarn, just make shit up as you need it.
Post by clintonG
They couldn't recertify for security screening. It remained
a MESS for almost 2 weeks. A couple other airports were also complete
cluster fukks as well. But generally civil aviation resumed on 9-14 except
for airports thaty TOTALLY and LAUGHABLY FAILED secutity screening.
Shouting doesn't make something true. I'm sure your ex-wives already
realize this as well as any other "discards" that you refuse to
elaborate on.
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Just keep shifting the goalposts, changing the rules and rewriting
history. And what is it all for? So Bush will get elected. End justifies
the means - especially to a "Catholic" like you, eh pediatrician
Pigbarn?
What goalposts did *I* move? It appears mote that YOU are the one
desperately trying to move them.
Well, for one, you initially claimed that no flights left the US. You
shift around and refuse to discuss flights within the US.
Post by clintonG
The truth is that aviation resumbed on 9-14
other than specific airports that had gross failures in secutiry and were
RELUCTANT to rectify the problems. Maybe if you recall, the administrator of
Logan had to be FIRED for REFUSING to fix the problems.
I don't recall that at all. You got a cite?
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Post by krp
You are too much the stupid dipshit to understand the subject at
hand.
Post by p_j
Oh sure I do. You keep changing the facts and allegations to discredit
Moore. You are a Bush shill.
Michael Moore? His claims were simply FALSE
Which you never list Bush shill.
Post by clintonG
and on more than ONE subject.
Which you never list Bush shill.
Post by clintonG
I
see you duck the others.
Don't know WTF you are blathering about Bush shill.
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Post by krp
That is following the attacks on 9-11 when all civilian air traffic was
halted, there was only ONE.... flight that was authorized. That ONE
flight
Post by p_j
Post by krp
happened on 9-13 HOURS before the flight band was lifted. And on THAT
flight
Post by p_j
Post by krp
there were ONLY Saudi Royals... Care to TRY to PROVE differently
asswipe??
Post by p_j
Interesting that you've gone from no flights occurred to one plane
making flights, or should I say one flight with multiple stops?
NO flights with anyone from the BIN LADEN family. NONE on 9-11, 9-12, or
9-13.
Non-responsive. Do you teach that to the pedophiles and rapists that you
make your living with?
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
http://www.edinburghnews.com/international.cfm?id=971322003
YOUR QUOTE... What does it REALLY SAY????
"THE United States allowed members of Osama bin Laden's family to jet out of
the US in the immediate aftermath of September 11, even as American airspace
was closed.
Former White House counter-terrorism tsar Richard Clarke said the Bush
administration sanctioned the repatriation of about 140 high-ranking Saudi
Arabians, including relatives of the al-Qaida chief.
"Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an aeroplane filled
with Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family, leave the country,"
he said.
Mr Clarke said he checked with FBI officials, who gave the go ahead. "So I
said: 'Fine, let it happen.'"
"The plane is believed to have landed in ten US cities picking up
passengers, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston. At the
time, access to US airspace was restricted and required special government
approval. "
Airspace was restricted for almost 10 days but civil aviations was allowed
to slowly resume. So?
Remember you fat whore Bush shill: you calimed that no flights were made
in the US other than a single one between Terrorland (Florida) and
Kentucky. Of course I don't expect you to respond to the contradiction
of your own Bush shilling disinformation. You never do. What a strategy.
Is it part of your religion?
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
http://baltimorechronicle.com/040904SaudiCIA.shtml
"A September 13 flight from Lexington KY to London carried 15 passengers
including eight Saudis; a Las Vegas-to-Switzerland flight the next day
carried seven Saudis; a "VIP flight" from New York to Paris on September 22
carried 12 passengers including four Saudis; and another Las Vegas-to-Paris
VIP flight on September 24 carried 24 passengers including 11 Saudis. Some
individuals who jetted away would have been "persons of interest" in any
traditional investigation, and others had round-the-clock knowledge of
them."
Oh 9-13, 9-14, 9-22......... 9-24..................... Bin Ladens?
AND............
"Questions abound. If Saudi royals and other Muslims feared reprisals, and
were allowed to leave for their personal safety, how could that rationale
have applied to British citizens Jack Rusbridge and Anthony John Stafford,
on the flight out of Lexington, or to US citizen Dean Earl Knect, on the
Vegas-Paris flight? Assuming that diplomatic immunity covers the
20,000-member Saud family, does it also cover family employees of other
nationalities, including British and American?"
Bin Ladens?
Good question. Do you care? Do you want to know. The answer is you want
Bush to win reelection. You are a pathetic Bush shill.
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Post by krp
Thought not! All you are is a pathetic LOSER anonymous TROLL probably
12
Post by p_j
Post by krp
years old and long overdue for his mommy go give him one hell of an
asswhipping!
Who is going to do it? You? You prey on women and children.
So you continually claim but NEVER substantiate.
WTF do you want, a videotape? I only go by your own words.
Post by clintonG
You make these
allegations at a SAFE distance... Maybe you ARE indeed a child amd fear me.
When are you coming to Wisconsin?
Post by clintonG
Post by p_j
Hey, how is that volunteer work for Kerry in Florida going? Isn't it
about time for you to claim that you never said anything like that?
Nope I will even say it again!
You are a Bush shill and your defense of plausible deniability doesn't
change the truth.

Thanks for being completely impotent in your attack on Moore.
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