S7E09 Cold War

Post by Agamemnon
Getting closer and closer to classic Doctor Who again. TARDIS not turning up
at the right location as usual, deliberately taking them into danger and
then disappearing. Also get to see what an Ice Warrior really looks like.
Once more the same story briefs are being recycled over and over again. This
time it's the same one as Dalek, "write a story about a stranded alien that
thinks it's the last of its kind".
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean Connery in
'The hunt for Red October' but the fact that all the Russians sounded like
they attended some British public school or other didn't feel right. It
would have been better if they all sounded like they had Russian accents
apart from maybe the professor who was into the New Romantics.
Jenna-Louise Coleman is brilliant as Clara. Matt Smith great as usual.
Liked all the tension that was built up.
If the old serial format had been resurrected then this story could have
been developed further over 4 to 6 episodes with episodes 1-2 being set in
the submarine and the rest on land after the Ice Warrior had been rescued.
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.
10/10
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

You rock Ag!

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2013-04-13 23:03:22 UTC

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean Connery in
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Post by Agamemnon
but the fact that all the Russians sounded like
they attended some British public school or other didn't feel right. It
would have been better if they all sounded like they had Russian accents

I initially thought it was a bit lazy, but then I ended up thinking it
was simply honest. What is the point of doing an accent when it is
established that in fact they are all talking Russian, and the TARDIS,
even though it buggered off, is doing the translating? Seems a lot of
extra work to not only translate, but do funny accents as well.

Post by Agamemnon
apart from maybe the professor who was into the New Romantics.
Jenna-Louise Coleman is brilliant as Clara. Matt Smith great as usual.
Liked all the tension that was built up.

Cant say I noticed.

Post by Agamemnon
If the old serial format had been resurrected then this story could have
been developed further over 4 to 6 episodes with episodes 1-2 being set in
the submarine and the rest on land after the Ice Warrior had been rescued.

Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

--
AC

Monsieur Tabernac

2013-04-13 23:09:29 UTC

Too much, I think. The story would stretch and break.

Post by AC
Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

That's what I was thinking. If it indeed follows the pattern set by
"Dalek", we'll be seeing more of our frosty friends in the future. I
think the episode did a good job in making us want more of the Ice
Warriors; plus I've always wondered what they might have looked like
under the shell.

My only real complaint is that I would have preferred to not have seen
the face of the creature; some things are better left to the
imagination (especially as the CGI wasn't quite convincing enough).

Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Better than average, I think.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

7/10 ?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

The Doctor

2013-04-13 23:36:50 UTC

Too much, I think. The story would stretch and break.

Post by AC
Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

That's what I was thinking. If it indeed follows the pattern set by
"Dalek", we'll be seeing more of our frosty friends in the future. I
think the episode did a good job in making us want more of the Ice
Warriors; plus I've always wondered what they might have looked like
under the shell.
My only real complaint is that I would have preferred to not have seen
the face of the creature; some things are better left to the
imagination (especially as the CGI wasn't quite convincing enough).
Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Better than average, I think.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

7/10 ?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

Wait a moment, Canada sees this in 23 minutes.

Andrew M

2013-04-14 00:16:37 UTC

Too much, I think. The story would stretch and break.

Post by AC
Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

That's what I was thinking. If it indeed follows the pattern set by
"Dalek", we'll be seeing more of our frosty friends in the future. I
think the episode did a good job in making us want more of the Ice
Warriors; plus I've always wondered what they might have looked like
under the shell.
My only real complaint is that I would have preferred to not have seen
the face of the creature; some things are better left to the
imagination (especially as the CGI wasn't quite convincing enough).
Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Not necessarily. IIRC the previous Ice Warrior stories were all set in
our present/future. Perhaps the development ofthe "leader class" took
place during Skaldak's 5000 year hibernation

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Better than average, I think.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

7/10 ?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

Monsieur Tabernac

2013-04-14 00:30:57 UTC

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:16:37 +0100, Andrew M

Post by Monsieur Tabernac
My only real complaint is that I would have preferred to not have seen
the face of the creature; some things are better left to the
imagination (especially as the CGI wasn't quite convincing enough).
Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Not necessarily. IIRC the previous Ice Warrior stories were all set in
our present/future. Perhaps the development ofthe "leader class" took
place during Skaldak's 5000 year hibernation

That's actually a good point. All of the "leader class" Ice Warriors
were seen in stories set in the future. The first Ice Warriors story
also involved unfrozen Warriors (from the last ice age... 12,000 years
ago or so) and they didn't have any Vaderesque leader classes.

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

Given the state of that sub, it might be difficult!

The Doctor

2013-04-14 02:14:24 UTC

Post by Monsieur Tabernac
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:16:37 +0100, Andrew M

Not necessarily. IIRC the previous Ice Warrior stories were all set in
our present/future. Perhaps the development ofthe "leader class" took
place during Skaldak's 5000 year hibernation

Well Ice Lords and ICe Warriors do differ.

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

Given the state of that sub, it might be difficult!

As long as it was on the SU side of the Arctic, something could be arranged.

Monsieur Tabernac

2013-04-14 16:15:23 UTC

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:30:57 -0400, Monsieur Tabernac

Post by Monsieur Tabernac
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:16:37 +0100, Andrew M

Not necessarily. IIRC the previous Ice Warrior stories were all set in
our present/future. Perhaps the development ofthe "leader class" took
place during Skaldak's 5000 year hibernation

I got that wrong. "The Ice Warriors" (original story) was set in an
ice age (far?) in the FUTURE, so we've never seen an Ice Warrior as
old as the one in "Cold War". Still, nothing goes against your theory
that the leader class was a future innovation, so I think that
explains it all.

The Doctor

2013-04-14 02:13:17 UTC

Too much, I think. The story would stretch and break.

Post by AC
Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

That's what I was thinking. If it indeed follows the pattern set by
"Dalek", we'll be seeing more of our frosty friends in the future. I
think the episode did a good job in making us want more of the Ice
Warriors; plus I've always wondered what they might have looked like
under the shell.
My only real complaint is that I would have preferred to not have seen
the face of the creature; some things are better left to the
imagination (especially as the CGI wasn't quite convincing enough).
Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Not necessarily. IIRC the previous Ice Warrior stories were all set in
our present/future. Perhaps the development ofthe "leader class" took
place during Skaldak's 5000 year hibernation

500 years and someone comes to amswer his distress call.

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Better than average, I think.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

7/10 ?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

Or arrange for something.

2013-04-14 09:25:56 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.

So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...

Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.

Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.

Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-14 12:53:50 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

2013-04-14 14:56:34 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been shown to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.

Was Torchwood around? Jack?

--
AC

Monsieur Tabernac

2013-04-14 16:13:08 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Not necessarily shot down -- he could have one. But I don't think
this was a particularly important point, just a chance to say a bit of
a joke at the end of the episode.

Post by AC
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

As good a solution as any!

2013-04-14 18:13:47 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Not necessarily shot down -- he could have one.

I didnt quite mean it that harshly.

But I don't think

Post by Monsieur Tabernac
this was a particularly important point, just a chance to say a bit of
a joke at the end of the episode.

Sure, but I did immediately wonder how the Doc and TARDIS would reunite.

Post by AC
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

As good a solution as any!

Well, it does work better in my mind anyway. I can well imagine the
Soviets being deeply suspicious of UNIT, given its heavily military
vibe. On the other hand, I can well imagine Jack having a "friend" in
the KGB.

Ah, ah, ah, I've got it. Jack Ryan, or John Clarke and the Foleys get
him out. Red October? Subs. 80's. Tom Clancy. Deep Trouble. Yeah,
that'll do me. I want the episode, "The Doctor of the Kremlin".

Too much of a tangent?

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-14 20:06:10 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Torchwood UK only, UNIT - Un Intelligence Taskforce.

Reader in Invisible Writings

2013-04-14 20:49:00 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

With most of the crew dead and the remaining 'important people' on his
side it would be time to whip out the old physic paper and convince the
rescue team and all others of his credentials as a KGB officer who
stopped a deep sleeper as the politico who murdered crew and crippled
the sub so that a launch by the sub of two missiles could justify a
multi missile counter attack by the US*. Further investigations would
require him to visit the Soviet Antarctica base... All sorted - no problem!

*very long sentence there!

--
Reader in Invisible Writings
Something to Ponder on!

2013-04-15 01:40:57 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-15 13:08:05 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

2013-04-15 20:16:49 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?

The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-15 20:25:37 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

2013-04-15 21:53:01 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.

The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation
down completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile
and worrisome.

The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-15 23:28:26 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation
down completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile
and worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.
--
AC

UN would still work better than Torchwood.

Agamemnon

2013-04-16 00:52:20 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Post by AC
--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-16 00:54:44 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

Post by AC
--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-16 00:55:13 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

Post by AC
--
AC

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Agamemnon

2013-04-16 01:13:50 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty.
Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages
and
be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still
for
that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm
not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I
understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc
end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual,
monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been
shown
to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

With most of the crew dead and the remaining 'important people' on his
side it would be time to whip out the old physic paper and
convince
the
rescue team and all others of his credentials as a KGB officer who
stopped a deep sleeper as the politico who murdered crew and crippled
the sub so that a launch by the sub of two missiles could justify a
multi missile counter attack by the US*. Further investigations would
require him to visit the Soviet Antarctica base... All sorted - no problem!
*very long sentence there!

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

That would have depended on weather these events took place before or after
June.

Can't be certain since it was daylight when they surfaced.

Which adds another question. Assuming the Doctor goes to the Antarctic to
retrieve the TARDIS wouldn't it be pitch black? Has anyone ever gone on an
expedition to the south pole in the Winter?

Ross

2013-04-16 11:38:01 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the
TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty.
Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov
will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages
and
be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still
for
that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's
remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm
not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which
likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I
understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak,
while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and
dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc
end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual,
monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been
shown
to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a
fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

With most of the crew dead and the remaining 'important people' on his
side it would be time to whip out the old physic paper and
convince
the
rescue team and all others of his credentials as a KGB officer who
stopped a deep sleeper as the politico who murdered crew and crippled
the sub so that a launch by the sub of two missiles could justify a
multi missile counter attack by the US*. Further investigations
would
require him to visit the Soviet Antarctica base... All sorted - no
problem!
*very long sentence there!

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

That would have depended on weather these events took place before or after
June.
Can't be certain since it was daylight when they surfaced.
Which adds another question. Assuming the Doctor goes to the Antarctic to
retrieve the TARDIS wouldn't it be pitch black? Has anyone ever gone on an
expedition to the south pole in the Winter?

Not pitch black. Just twilight.

The Doctor

2013-04-16 13:33:21 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the
TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty.
Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages
and
be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still
for
that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's
remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm
not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I
understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak,
while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and
dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc
end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual,
monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been
shown
to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a
fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

With most of the crew dead and the remaining 'important people' on his
side it would be time to whip out the old physic paper and
convince
the
rescue team and all others of his credentials as a KGB officer who
stopped a deep sleeper as the politico who murdered crew and crippled
the sub so that a launch by the sub of two missiles could justify a
multi missile counter attack by the US*. Further investigations would
require him to visit the Soviet Antarctica base... All sorted - no
problem!
*very long sentence there!

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

That would have depended on weather these events took place before or after
June.
Can't be certain since it was daylight when they surfaced.
Which adds another question. Assuming the Doctor goes to the Antarctic to
retrieve the TARDIS wouldn't it be pitch black? Has anyone ever gone on an
expedition to the south pole in the Winter?

MArch to Sept 1983 and some expiditions have taken place.

2015-12-16 17:04:41 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the
TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty.
Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov
will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages
and
be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still
for
that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's
remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm
not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which
likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I
understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak,
while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and
dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc
end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual,
monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been
shown
to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a
fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.
Was Torchwood around? Jack?

With most of the crew dead and the remaining 'important people' on his
side it would be time to whip out the old physic paper and
convince
the
rescue team and all others of his credentials as a KGB officer who
stopped a deep sleeper as the politico who murdered crew and crippled
the sub so that a launch by the sub of two missiles could justify a
multi missile counter attack by the US*. Further investigations would
require him to visit the Soviet Antarctica base... All sorted - no
problem!
*very long sentence there!

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Correct.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

That would have depended on weather these events took place before or after
June.
Can't be certain since it was daylight when they surfaced.
Which adds another question. Assuming the Doctor goes to the Antarctic to
retrieve the TARDIS wouldn't it be pitch black? Has anyone ever gone on an
expedition to the south pole in the Winter?

A submarine won't be able to get to the South Pole, since its on land.

2013-04-16 09:54:02 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Yes, I think.

It might have been Yuri Andropov.

Wouldn't have put Jack off...

--
AC

2013-04-16 09:52:31 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Fair enough.

Still can't see the Soviets of the 80's letting anything UN in on
anything that significant on board something that sensitive. Frankly,
I'd say the same for the US. For example, were the UN informed of thing
like stealth planes? Were there UN all over groom lake? No, cant see it
at all.

Did the writers in the 80's ever suggest Soviet co-operation with UNIT?

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Could be. If so, given some of his recent photos shoots, that kinda
supports my notion...

--
AC

The Doctor

2013-04-16 13:34:39 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south
pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps
his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will
indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely
means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Yeah, but would 80's Soviets be in any way interested, given that the
Doc and Clara infiltrated a Soviet nuclear sub? Then, if they did allow
a western para military organisation in to at least see the Doc and
Clara, 2what would they have made of the fact that suddenly they were
talking English?
The more I think about this, the more I want to see or read this story
more than I enjoyed the episode we did see. It reminds me of Trek
episodes where they end up in the 60's or something.
--
AC

Would you shoot a UN employee if you were a Soviet officer?

No. Why would you want to.
The capture of the Doc and Clara on a nuclear sub in the 80's would have
been a massive state secret. The KGB would have locked the situation down
completely. The Doc and Clara would have been seen a hugely hostile and
worrisome.
The UN, and or UNIT would have not gotten anywhere near them. Especially
when the non-West see the UN as the US. Which is why I suggest that
Torchwood sneaking in some how is easier to buy in to.

UNIT wouldn't have been set up by the UN unless the Russians had agreed to
it.

Fair enough.
Still can't see the Soviets of the 80's letting anything UN in on
anything that significant on board something that sensitive. Frankly,
I'd say the same for the US. For example, were the UN informed of thing
like stealth planes? Were there UN all over groom lake? No, cant see it
at all.
Did the writers in the 80's ever suggest Soviet co-operation with UNIT?

UNIT is worldwide so Moscow must have contributed.

Post by AC
I reckon you'd need an inside man, and I reckon Jack has shagged him.

Who? The head of the KGB? Wasn't that Vladimir Putin at the time?

Could be. If so, given some of his recent photos shoots, that kinda
supports my notion...
--
AC

Reader in Invisible Writings

2013-04-15 23:11:05 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

Buy not as well as a senior KGB officer stomping out anti-Soviet plots.
You don't ask guys like that why they have a young female with them for
fear of getting stomped! Also high enough in the Kremlin and they
probably have had dealings with the Doctor! (We only have not seen the
episodes involving the Doctor and Russians and Soviets due to their
state security and censorship ;-)

--
Reader in Invisible Writings
Something to Ponder on!

The Doctor

2013-04-15 23:29:31 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS.
I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Yeah, that could work well enough.

Well a UN Scientific Advisor might work too.

The Doctor and Mao know each other. Still the Doctor might make a
similar claim.

Ross

2013-04-16 11:36:01 UTC

Post by AC
Well, my TARDIS recall idea was shot down because its not been shown to
happen before. So, is there any instance of UNIT working with the
Soviets or KGB? I don't recall any, but I'm not *that* much of a fan. If
so, then yeah, that would be the obvious thing to do.

The only time that comes immediately to mind is... The very first time
UNIT is introduced, when UNIT borrows a Soviet moon rocket and nuclear
warhead. (Actually I do think they mention working with the soviets
other times but that's the only one I recall being more than just a
passing reference)

The Doctor

2013-04-16 13:35:11 UTC

Post by Ross

Correct about The Invasion.

Tim Bruening

2016-07-19 03:52:46 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

UNIT was United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, meaning that the Soviet Union would have been involved in creating and running it. Therefore, they should be willing to help a lost UNIT agent such as the Doctor.

2016-09-29 01:22:07 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

The Doctor

2016-09-29 11:58:26 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

--
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Tim Bruening

2016-09-29 21:43:27 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

Just send the recall signal via a cell time phone!

The Doctor

2016-09-29 22:04:17 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

Just send the recall signal via a cell time phone!

1983?

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:11:39 UTC

How did the TARDIS find and land in a sinking submarine?

How did the TARDIS know that it should land in a sinking submarine?

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:12:56 UTC

I marvel that at the 11 minute mark, the Russians haven't wondered how the Doctor and Clara know Russian.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:44:05 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

Why not? Can't the TARDIS go anywhere in space and time?

The Doctor has jiggered his Companions' cell phones to be able to communicate across vast stretches of space and time. Couldn't he devise a similar system to summon the TARDIS?

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:58:04 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

Why not? Can't the TARDIS go anywhere in space and time?
The Doctor has jiggered his Companions' cell phones to be able to
communicate across vast stretches of space and time. Couldn't he devise
a similar system to summon the TARDIS?

IF he recalls how to.

Mind you that reference could be a Seeds of Doom/Death reference.

The Doctor

2016-10-24 22:12:53 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.
--
AC

Maybe the UNIT credentials help out.

Why doesn't the TARDIS have a recall option?

5000 miles on the other side of the planet?

Why not? Can't the TARDIS go anywhere in space and time?
The Doctor has jiggered his Companions' cell phones to be able to
communicate across vast stretches of space and time. Couldn't he devise
a similar system to summon the TARDIS?

Depends on the radition interference.

2016-07-19 07:04:01 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.

The chaos causes the early deaths of Andropov and Chernenko, paving the way for Gorbchev.

2016-09-29 01:26:25 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.

And the Matt Smith Doctor (having used up all his regenerations) would not have had the option of starting his regeneration to repair the damage caused by Soviet torturers, and then blasting his way out of custody with regeneration beams!

2013-04-14 09:14:03 UTC

Too much, I think. The story would stretch and break.

Post by AC
Perhaps this is not the last we have heard from our Ice Warrior.

Well, if I had a 50p bet, I reckon will see lots of them later on. And
then it will probably be over done and cheapened. Always happens. Most
SF shows over expose the baddies in the end.

The age old problem with monsters vs budget. I was kinda hoping we
wouldnt see more than brief flashes and the hands. That way, save the
budget, and use it in a later episode to do it better. But in the end,
"we" want to see the monster.

Post by Monsieur Tabernac
Since he's a "grand marshall", I suppose that means they've done away
with the leader class?

Post by Agamemnon
Best series so far since Doctor Who returned to our screens.

Nah. Average.

Better than average, I think.

Post by Agamemnon
10/10

Arent they all?

7/10 ?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I cant either, but I fine it absurd to have have a send away function
with out any recall. Mind you, the Doctor seems to have no control over
where it goes, so I suppose its possible.

--
AC

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:27:55 UTC

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean Connery in
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!

Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:31:45 UTC

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean Connery in
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech
into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!
Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I
believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Ice Warrior was not in a good mood.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:40:55 UTC

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean Connery in
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech
into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!
Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I
believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Ice Warrior was not in a good mood.

But he did have his ship rescue the Soviet sub, and bring it to the surface. And he refrained from destroying it.

Why should that prevent the Doctor from asking? "I just helped to save your life. You owe me a favor. Could you take me and Clara to the South Pole pretty please?'.

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:57:16 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Getting closer and closer to classic Doctor Who again. TARDIS not

turning up

Post by Agamemnon
at the right location as usual, deliberately taking them into danger and
then disappearing. Also get to see what an Ice Warrior really looks like.
Once more the same story briefs are being recycled over and over

again. This

Post by Agamemnon
time it's the same one as Dalek, "write a story about a stranded

alien that

Post by Agamemnon
thinks it's the last of its kind".

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean

Connery in

Post by Agamemnon
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech
into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!
Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I
believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Ice Warrior was not in a good mood.

But he did have his ship rescue the Soviet sub, and bring it to the
surface. And he refrained from destroying it.
Why should that prevent the Doctor from asking? "I just helped to save
your life. You owe me a favor. Could you take me and Clara to the
South Pole pretty please?'.

The Doctor knew after the fact.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 20:08:22 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Getting closer and closer to classic Doctor Who again. TARDIS not

turning up

again. This

Post by Agamemnon
time it's the same one as Dalek, "write a story about a stranded

alien that

Post by Agamemnon
thinks it's the last of its kind".

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean

Connery in

Post by Agamemnon
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech
into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!
Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I
believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Ice Warrior was not in a good mood.

But he did have his ship rescue the Soviet sub, and bring it to the
surface. And he refrained from destroying it.
Why should that prevent the Doctor from asking? "I just helped to save
your life. You owe me a favor. Could you take me and Clara to the
South Pole pretty please?'.

The Doctor knew after the fact.

After the Martian ship tractors the Russian sub to the surface and beams up the Martian Ice Warrior, the Doctor discovers that the TARDIS has wandered off to the SOUTH POLE, BEFORE the Martian ship leaves! Why doesn't he ask the Martians for a lift?

The Doctor

2016-10-11 20:23:44 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Getting closer and closer to classic Doctor Who again. TARDIS not

turning up

Post by Agamemnon
at the right location as usual, deliberately taking them into

danger and

Post by Agamemnon
then disappearing. Also get to see what an Ice Warrior really

looks like.

Post by Agamemnon
Once more the same story briefs are being recycled over and over

again. This

Post by Agamemnon
time it's the same one as Dalek, "write a story about a stranded

alien that

Post by Agamemnon
thinks it's the last of its kind".

I said that. Thing is, isn't this recycling getting a bit blatant?

Post by Agamemnon
Obviously the guy with the beard was intended to be based on Sean

Connery in

Post by Agamemnon
'The hunt for Red October'

Was so hoping they'd name him Ramius.

Post by Agamemnon
but the fact that all the Russians sounded like
they attended some British public school or other didn't feel

right. It

Post by Agamemnon
would have been better if they all sounded like they had

Russian accents

Post by AC
I initially thought it was a bit lazy, but then I ended up thinking it
was simply honest. What is the point of doing an accent when it is
established that in fact they are all talking Russian, and the TARDIS,
even though it buggered off, is doing the translating? Seems a lot of
extra work to not only translate, but do funny accents as well.

Wouldn't it instead be extra trouble to translate the Russian speech
into English with English accents instead of Russian accents?

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

The Second Doctor DID have a recall device during "The Two Doctors"!
Why didn't the Doctor ask that Martian to take him to the South Pole? I
believe that he had time to do so before the Martian ship buzzed off.

The Ice Warrior was not in a good mood.

But he did have his ship rescue the Soviet sub, and bring it to the
surface. And he refrained from destroying it.
Why should that prevent the Doctor from asking? "I just helped to save
your life. You owe me a favor. Could you take me and Clara to the
South Pole pretty please?'.

The Doctor knew after the fact.

After the Martian ship tractors the Russian sub to the surface and beams
up the Martian Ice Warrior, the Doctor discovers that the TARDIS has
wandered off to the SOUTH POLE, BEFORE the Martian ship leaves! Why
doesn't he ask the Martians for a lift?

Check the sequence.

Still The Doctor is scienfitic advisor to UNIT.

2015-12-16 16:43:20 UTC

The Doctor and Clara are on a Soviet nuclear submarine in 1983 with a Martian Ice Warrior. Clara wonders how the Ice Warrior firing off ONE missile could end the world. The Doctor points out that Earth was already at the edge. Clara points out that the world DIDN'T end in 1983, since she exists. The Doctor says that time can be rewritten. If time can be rewritten, how can there be "fixed points in time"? (Why can't the Doctor rewrite such disasters as the recent Paris terror attacks?).

2015-12-16 16:45:11 UTC

A Soviet nuclear sub crew member says "Good God". Isn't that against Communist ideology?

Tim Bruening

2016-07-19 03:48:52 UTC

Post by Agamemnon
Now how does the Doctor get the TARDIS back from the south pole?

Well, if it can piss off on its own, why cant he recall it?

I don't think the Doctor has ever been able to recall the TARDIS. I'm
trying to think of an example, but I'm coming up empty. Perhaps his
UNIT pals can come and pick him up.

I'm inclined to think, given the circumstances, that Zhukov will indeed
give him a lift

I thought the sub was knackered. Besides, that would take ages and be
really boring. Cant see Clara and the Doc sitting that still for that
long at all.
So, they would probably have to be taken to the USSR (80's remember),
and flown from here. However, in the hight of the cold war, I'm not so
sure the KGB would let the Doctor and Clara through that easily,
especially after such an incident, on a nuclear sub, with a dead
political officer. So, off they go for interrogation, which likely means
a medical...
Dunno how far people want to take this fiction, but as I understand it,
Clara would probably still be in a Siberian prison as we speak, while
parts of the Doctor would be in jars. Probably disappeared and dead.
Which is why I'm sticking with a TARDIS recall.
Mind you, I'd love to see a follow up episode. Clara an the Doc end up
in Soviet interrogation, they discover the Doctor is unusual, monsters
turn up and they get away some how.

The chaos causes the early deaths of Andropov and Chernenko, paving the way for Gorbachev.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:15:20 UTC

Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.

The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:27:27 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:37:06 UTC

A submarine crewman is caught by the Martian Ice Warrior. In desperation, he tells the Ice Warrior about the Soviet-American Cold War nuclear standoff, and proposes an alliance to win the Cold War. I imagine that the crewman was hoping that the Ice Warrior could assist the USSR in quickly building a defense against an all out US nuclear attack so that the USSR could conquer the world! I am imagining the Ice Warrior's ship shooting American missiles down with lasers, or erecting force fields around Soviet cities.

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:53:41 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
A submarine crewman is caught by the Martian Ice Warrior. In
desperation, he tells the Ice Warrior about the Soviet-American Cold War
nuclear standoff, and proposes an alliance to win the Cold War. I
imagine that the crewman was hoping that the Ice Warrior could assist
the USSR in quickly building a defense against an all out US nuclear
attack so that the USSR could conquer the world! I am imagining the Ice
Warrior's ship shooting American missiles down with lasers, or erecting
force fields around Soviet cities.

Evil!

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:45:02 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

What does it mean to heat an op?

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:54:55 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

What does it mean to heat an op?

That should be heating up, but it could have
meant a propaganda operation.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:45:48 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I don't like Putin's tone either!

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:55:26 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I don't like Putin's tone either!

I do not trust old KGB officers.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:49:06 UTC

What is an elderly professor doing on a Soviet military sub?

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:55:58 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
What is an elderly professor doing on a Soviet military sub?

Archeology on the sector?

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:53:12 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I propose the following US speech: "Our moral code will not allow us to stand by while the Syrian government slaughters the city of Aleppo. We are going to stop the slaughter and bring in aid, come Hell or high water! Please get out of our way!". I believe that this would impress Putin, especially when our planes start bombing Syrian troops. I am hopeful that Putin will respect our force.

The Doctor

2016-10-11 14:56:40 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I propose the following US speech: "Our moral code will not allow us to
stand by while the Syrian government slaughters the city of Aleppo. We
are going to stop the slaughter and bring in aid, come Hell or high
water! Please get out of our way!". I believe that this would impress
Putin, especially when our planes start bombing Syrian troops. I am
hopeful that Putin will respect our force.

And not to give your cards away.

Recall how bin LAden was taken out.

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 16:47:16 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I propose the following US speech: "Our moral code will not allow us to
stand by while the Syrian government slaughters the city of Aleppo. We
are going to stop the slaughter and bring in aid, come Hell or high
water! Please get out of our way!". I believe that this would impress
Putin, especially when our planes start bombing Syrian troops. I am
hopeful that Putin will respect our force.

And not to give your cards away.
Recall how bin LAden was taken out.

If the US were to start bombing the Syrian military, how would we keep that fact a secret?

Don't the Syrians deserve fair warning that they will suffer if they obstruct our relief operations?

The Doctor

2016-10-11 20:22:14 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Great moments: The Soviet sub's nuclear war drill. It had me going for a minute.
The Martian Ice Warrior menacing the Soviet sub.

American rhetoric heating op

I propose the following US speech: "Our moral code will not allow us to
stand by while the Syrian government slaughters the city of Aleppo. We
are going to stop the slaughter and bring in aid, come Hell or high
water! Please get out of our way!". I believe that this would impress
Putin, especially when our planes start bombing Syrian troops. I am
hopeful that Putin will respect our force.

And not to give your cards away.
Recall how bin LAden was taken out.

If the US were to start bombing the Syrian military, how would we keep that fact a secret?
Don't the Syrians deserve fair warning that they will suffer if they
obstruct our relief operations?

Why?

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:19:07 UTC

Plot bunny: The Doctor is in a Soviet missile silo, when American missiles are detected headed the USSR's way. The Doctor quickly determines that the readings are false, and frantically tries to convince the Russians that the readings are false!

Tim Bruening

2016-10-11 14:24:10 UTC

Plot Bunny: In the year 2017, Russia and the US are at each other's throats over the Ukraine and Syria. The Doctor arrives in a Russian missile silo, just as the Russians detect an American missile attack. The Doctor quickly determines that the readings are false, and tries frantically to convince the Russians of this fact. He might have to use his sonic to disable the Russian missiles to save the world. Now the Russians are really ticked off!

Tim Bruening

2017-01-31 10:01:44 UTC

The Doctor is on a Soviet submarine. The TARDIS is at the South Pole. This situation should prompt the Doctor to invent a TARDIS summoning device!

The Doctor

2017-01-31 15:56:54 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor is on a Soviet submarine. The TARDIS is at the South Pole.
This situation should prompt the Doctor to invent a TARDIS summoning
device!

Do you recall the 2 Doctors?

Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 12:43:47 UTC

Clara wonders how the world could be destroyed in 1983 (via the Martian Ice Warrior triggering WWIII with a missile from that Soviet sub), when SHE exists! The Doctor says that history is in flux, it can be changed. Why is history/the timeline changeable in this episode, but fixed in other episodes? (Why isn't the survival of Earth in 1983 a "fixed point in time"? After all, the Doctor experienced undestroyed Earths in 1983 and after 1983).

Similar questions for "Pyramids of Mars" (In which the Doctor actually showed Sarah Jane Smith an alternate reality!), and for "Harriet Jones' 3 term Golden Age".

The Doctor

2017-03-08 13:15:28 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
Clara wonders how the world could be destroyed in 1983 (via the Martian
Ice Warrior triggering WWIII with a missile from that Soviet sub), when
SHE exists! The Doctor says that history is in flux, it can be changed.
Why is history/the timeline changeable in this episode, but fixed in
other episodes? (Why isn't the survival of Earth in 1983 a "fixed point
in time"? After all, the Doctor experienced undestroyed Earths in 1983
and after 1983).
Similar questions for "Pyramids of Mars" (In which the Doctor actually
showed Sarah Jane Smith an alternate reality!), and for "Harriet Jones'
3 term Golden Age".

Fixed points in time arguments.

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Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 12:45:33 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor is on a Soviet submarine. The TARDIS is at the South Pole.
This situation should prompt the Doctor to invent a TARDIS summoning
device!

Do you recall the 2 Doctors?

Not much, except for the Androgens' cannabilistic tendencies.

Post by The Doctor
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The Doctor

2017-03-08 13:15:52 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
The Doctor is on a Soviet submarine. The TARDIS is at the South Pole.
This situation should prompt the Doctor to invent a TARDIS summoning
device!

Do you recall the 2 Doctors?

Not much, except for the Androgens' cannabilistic tendencies.

The whistle at the end.

Post by The Doctor
--
God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist

rising!

Post by The Doctor
http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
Birthdate 29 Jan 1969 Redhill Surrey England

Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 13:06:50 UTC

Great moments: The Martian ship tractoring the Soviet sub to the surface.

The Doctor discovering that his TARDIS is at the SOUTH Pole, having fled there when doused with sea water. At that point, the Martian ship is still hovering over the Soviet sub. Why doesn't the Doctor instantly ask the Martian ship to take him to the South Pole? He had plenty of time to do so before it flew off. (The Doctor did have time to perform the Martian salute, so he had time to yell up at the Martian ship "Clara and I left something at the South Pole. Could you take us there?")

Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 13:12:10 UTC

When sea water pours on the TARDIS, it flees to the South Pole. Why is the TARDIS afraid of water?

The Doctor can program the TARDIS to automatically flee danger without the Doctor inside. Why can't he program it to automatically come to his rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?

How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the landlocked South Pole?

The Doctor

2017-03-08 13:18:17 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
When sea water pours on the TARDIS, it flees to the South Pole. Why is
the TARDIS afraid of water?
The Doctor can program the TARDIS to automatically flee danger without
the Doctor inside. Why can't he program it to automatically come to his
rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the landlocked South Pole?

UNIT.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 13:23:20 UTC

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

The Doctor

2017-03-08 13:34:39 UTC

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-08 14:02:17 UTC

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to take the Doctor away from the USSR?

The Doctor

2017-03-08 23:03:20 UTC

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-09 02:19:06 UTC

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Brezhnev died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov.

It seemed likely to me that the KGB might lock up the Doctor and subject him to enhanced interrogation to find out how his time machine works.

The Doctor

2017-03-09 13:22:35 UTC

come to his

Post by Tim Bruening
rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the landlocked
South Pole?

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Brezhnev died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov.
It seemed likely to me that the KGB might lock up the Doctor and subject
him to enhanced interrogation to find out how his time machine works.

Only to find out he works for the UN.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-09 13:53:56 UTC

come to his

Post by Tim Bruening
rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the landlocked
South Pole?

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Brezhnev died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov.
It seemed likely to me that the KGB might lock up the Doctor and subject
him to enhanced interrogation to find out how his time machine works.

Only to find out he works for the UN.

But would the 1983 version of UNIT recognize Matt Smith as the Doctor?

The Doctor

2017-03-09 14:00:36 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
When sea water pours on the TARDIS, it flees to the South

Pole. Why is

Post by Tim Bruening
the TARDIS afraid of water?
The Doctor can program the TARDIS to automatically flee

danger without

Post by Tim Bruening
the Doctor inside. Why can't he program it to automatically

come to his

Post by Tim Bruening
rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the

landlocked

Post by Tim Bruening
South Pole?

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Brezhnev died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov.
It seemed likely to me that the KGB might lock up the Doctor and subject
him to enhanced interrogation to find out how his time machine works.

Only to find out he works for the UN.

But would the 1983 version of UNIT recognize Matt Smith as the Doctor?

Yes.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-09 14:10:03 UTC

Post by Tim Bruening
When sea water pours on the TARDIS, it flees to the South

Pole. Why is

Post by Tim Bruening
the TARDIS afraid of water?
The Doctor can program the TARDIS to automatically flee

danger without

Post by Tim Bruening
the Doctor inside. Why can't he program it to automatically

come to his

Post by Tim Bruening
rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the

landlocked

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South Pole?

UNIT.

UNIT can make a submarine fly?

UNIT can get the Doctor to the South Pole.

Do you really expect hardline Soviet leader Andropov to allow UNIT to
take the Doctor away from the USSR?

IT might have been Brezhnev and yes,
after all the USSR was a UN member at the time.

Brezhnev died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov.
It seemed likely to me that the KGB might lock up the Doctor and subject
him to enhanced interrogation to find out how his time machine works.

Only to find out he works for the UN.

But would the 1983 version of UNIT recognize Matt Smith as the Doctor?

Yes.

How? Matt Smith is several regenerations after the Doctor who was current in 1983.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-09 22:20:03 UTC

Why is a nuclear weapons submarine drilling for oil?

The Doctor

2017-03-09 23:09:57 UTC

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Why is a nuclear weapons submarine drilling for oil?

Attemting to annex the Arctic.

Tim Bruening

2017-03-10 02:39:38 UTC

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Why is a nuclear weapons submarine drilling for oil?

Attemting to annex the Arctic.

Soviet cities under the ice? An Arctic Soviet Socialist Republic?

The Doctor

2017-03-10 14:44:06 UTC

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Why is a nuclear weapons submarine drilling for oil?

Attemting to annex the Arctic.

Soviet cities under the ice? An Arctic Soviet Socialist Republic?

Well they wanted to extend their naval presense for a very long time in the
Arctic.

Tim Bruening

2017-06-12 15:44:09 UTC

Scene: A Soviet Union nuclear submarine.

Situation: A Martian Ice Warrior is on the loose, attacking members of the crew.

A scientist who is on the crew and the Doctor find a victim. The scientist exclaims "Good God!". Isn't that un-Soviet? Didn't the USSR outlaw religion?

Tim Bruening

2017-06-12 16:03:53 UTC

After the Martian ship tractors the Russian sub to the surface and beams up the Martian Ice Warrior, the Doctor discovers that the TARDIS has wandered off to the SOUTH POLE! He asks the Russian sub captain for a lift. The Martian ship hasn't yet left. Why doesn't he ask the Martians also? (I thought that the Martians were going to give the Doctor a lift, but they flew off without him). The Doctor had plenty of time to shout up at the Martian ship "Could you give me a lift to Earth's South Pole? I left my vehicle there!".

The Doctor

2017-03-09 22:56:04 UTC

In article

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When sea water pours on the TARDIS, it flees to the South

Pole. Why is

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the TARDIS afraid of water?
The Doctor can program the TARDIS to automatically flee

danger without

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the Doctor inside. Why can't he program it to automatically

come to his

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rescue if he sends it a summoning signal?
How does the Doctor expect a Soviet SUB to take him to the

landlocked