afgrrm weekly statistics (04/02/06)

[bruce]

StatNews Report
(Version: 3.32-jc20051017)

Copyleft (C) Davide G. M. Salvetti <***@debian.org>, 1998,
Modified by Bernard M. Piller <***@bmpsystems.com>, 1999,
Modified by Jochen Striepe <***@tolot.escape.de>, 2000-2001,
Modified by Joshua Crawford <***@yahoo.com.au>, 2003-2005.

Newsgroup................: alt.fan.grrm
Time stamp...............: Fri 3 Feb 2006 (GMT) 16:38
Start....................: Fri 27 Jan 2006 (GMT) 16:32
End......................: Fri 3 Feb 2006 (GMT) 16:14
Days.....................: 7
Messages.................: 567
Authors..................: 57
Messages per author......: 9.9
Characters...............: 645486
Average message length...: 1138.4
Messages per day.........: 81.0
Characters per day.......: 92212
Quoting ratio............: 44.9% (lines) 55.0% (chars)


Top 50 threads (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=============================================================

1) The 3 heads of the dragon... .............................: 312 44.6 55.0%
2) Good reads, but not Science Fiction ......................: 108 15.4 19.0%
3) afgrrm weekly statistics (28/01/06) ......................: 40 5.7 7.1%
4) unCHOW: ASoS - Daenerys II - How Much Is That Eunuch In T : 39 5.6 6.9%
5) What will happen to Cersei. ..............................: 20 2.9 3.5%
6) AFFC: Arrrrgh! ...........................................: 15 2.1 2.6%
7) AFfC: Genna Frey's gossip ................................: 7 1.0 1.2%
8) Names ....................................................: 7 1.0 1.2%
9) Yes I really was bored in work ...........................: 7 1.0 1.2%
10) Random Tywin thought .....................................: 5 0.7 0.9%
11) Late CHOW apologies ......................................: 2 0.3 0.4%
12) Will ADwD resolve some cliffhangers? .....................: 2 0.3 0.4%
13) let's all waste some time.... ............................: 2 0.3 0.4%
14) Physically Lost ..........................................: 1 0.1 0.2%


Top 50 authors (#1: reg. Linux user, #2: total mesgs, #3: mesgs/day, #4: share)
===============================================================================

1) Chucky & Janica ......................................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ....................................... : 79 11.3 13.9%
3) Penelope Periwinkle ..................................... : 64 9.1 11.3%
4) Herb Schaltegger ........................................ : 50 7.1 8.8%
5) Aaron ................................................... : 37 5.3 6.5%
6) Peter Wright ............................................ : 29 4.1 5.1%
7) Laurence ................................................ : 28 4.0 4.9%
8) Aaron F. Bourque ........................................ : 23 3.3 4.1%
9) mgraves ................................................. : 18 2.6 3.2%
10) ***@yahoo.com .................................. : 14 2.0 2.5%
11) Michelle J. Haines ...................................... : 12 1.7 2.1%
12) pointed ................................................. : 12 1.7 2.1%
13) Matthias Feser .......................................... : 8 1.1 1.4%
14) bombardmentforce ........................................ : 8 1.1 1.4%
15) Polly S. ................................................ : 5 0.7 0.9%
16) Beeblebear .............................................. : 4 0.6 0.7%
17) Pat Flannery ............................................ : 4 0.6 0.7%
18) Rob Wilson .............................................. : 4 0.6 0.7%
19) Shelob .................................................. : 4 0.6 0.7%
20) Stephen ................................................. : 4 0.6 0.7%
21) Johan Poppe ............................................. : 3 0.4 0.5%
22) John Vreeland ........................................... : 3 0.4 0.5%
23) KobeWanKenobi ........................................... : 3 0.4 0.5%
24) Paul Harman ............................................. : 3 0.4 0.5%
25) fybar ................................................... : 3 0.4 0.5%
26) Classix ................................................. : 2 0.3 0.4%
27) Nicholas Waller ......................................... : 2 0.3 0.4%
28) Satsujinki .............................................. : 2 0.3 0.4%
29) Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butt : 2 0.3 0.4%
30) William Marnoch ......................................... : 2 0.3 0.4%
31) Arno Wagner ............................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%
32) Bill Snyder ............................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%
33) Bruce Scott TOK ......................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
34) Craig Richardson ........................................ : 1 0.1 0.2%
35) Dr. Dave ................................................ : 1 0.1 0.2%
36) Gene Ward Smith ......................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
37) Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) ............................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
38) Jim Davis ............................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
39) Keith Morrison .......................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
40) Kurt Busiek ............................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%
41) Mark .................................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
42) Mike Dworetsky .......................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
43) Peter D. Tillman ........................................ : 1 0.1 0.2%
44) Richard R. Hershberger .................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%
45) Robert Sneddon .......................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
46) T Guy ................................................... : 1 0.1 0.2%
47) TedJMill ................................................ : 1 0.1 0.2%
48) Torben .................................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%
49) bruce ......................................... (#173468) : 1 0.1 0.2%
50) lclough ................................................. : 1 0.1 0.2%


Top 50 user agents (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=================================================================

1) Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 .................................: 144 20.6 25.4%
2) G2/0.2 .................................................: 131 18.7 23.1%
3) Forte Free Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) ........: 110 15.7 19.4%
4) Hogwasher/4.2.2 ........................................: 50 7.1 8.8%
5) tin/1.7.10-20050929 ("Tahay") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.32 (i68 : 29 4.1 5.1%
6) Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) ...........: 28 4.0 4.9%
7) Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 ...............: 22 3.1 3.9%
8) Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) .................: 12 1.7 2.1%
9) Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 ...............: 5 0.7 0.9%
10) Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) .............: 5 0.7 0.9%
11) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/ : 4 0.6 0.7%
12) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8) : 4 0.6 0.7%
13) 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 .................................: 3 0.4 0.5%
14) Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 .................................: 3 0.4 0.5%
15) Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 ...............: 3 0.4 0.5%
16) Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 ................................: 1 0.1 0.2%
17) Forte Agent 2.0/32.646 .................................: 1 0.1 0.2%
18) Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 .................................: 1 0.1 0.2%
19) MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) ......................: 1 0.1 0.2%
20) MacSOUP/2.7 (Mac OS X version 10.3.9) ..................: 1 0.1 0.2%
21) Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 ...............: 1 0.1 0.2%
22) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) : 1 0.1 0.2%
23) Turnpike/6.05-U (<c8LbFRq0VCjuCcR3J$GdfJc3T5>) .........: 1 0.1 0.2%
24) Unison/1.7.2 ...........................................: 1 0.1 0.2%
25) Xnews/5.04.25 ..........................................: 1 0.1 0.2%
26) [User agent not detected] ..............................: 1 0.1 0.2%
27) bruce's autopost scripts ...............................: 1 0.1 0.2%
28) tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (Linux/2.6.12.2 (i : 1 0.1 0.2%
29) trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) ...........................: 1 0.1 0.2%


Top 50 crossposting groups (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=========================================================================

1) alt.fan.robert-jordan ..................................: 110 15.7 19.4%
2) rec.arts.sf.written ....................................: 94 13.4 16.6%
3) sci.space.policy .......................................: 16 2.3 2.8%
4) sci.space.history ......................................: 12 1.7 2.1%
5) alt.war.nuclear ........................................: 1 0.1 0.2%


Top 50 URL's (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
===========================================================

1) www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org ...............................: 109 15.6 19.2%
2) www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya .......................: 80 11.4 14.1%
3) http://flooble.net/blog ................................: 30 4.3 5.3%
4) http://sanders.freeservers.com .........................: 16 2.3 2.8%
5) http://sanders.freeservers.com/ ........................: 6 0.9 1.1%
6) http://www.voidhawk.com/ ...............................: 2 0.3 0.4%


Top 50 quoting ratios (#1: qlines/wlines, #2: qchars/wchars, #3: total msg's)
=============================================================================

1) fybar ..................................................: 76.9% 80.3% 3
2) Stephen ................................................: 74.9% 76.4% 4
3) Bill Snyder ............................................: 71.9% 81.5% 1
4) Torben .................................................: 71.9% 80.4% 1
5) Satsujinki .............................................: 67.3% 77.1% 2
6) ***@yahoo.com .................................: 64.1% 68.4% 14
7) Polly S. ...............................................: 63.9% 65.1% 5
8) ***@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan) ........................: 63.4% 64.1% 1
9) mgraves ................................................: 63.1% 72.9% 18
10) Laurence ...............................................: 61.0% 68.7% 28
11) Aaron F. Bourque .......................................: 60.8% 71.7% 23
12) Arno Wagner ............................................: 60.7% 78.7% 1
13) Rob Wilson .............................................: 59.7% 71.4% 4
14) Mike Dworetsky .........................................: 55.3% 71.6% 1
15) Ilya the Recusant ......................................: 52.2% 61.2% 79
16) Classix ................................................: 51.8% 55.6% 2
17) ***@gmail.com .....................................: 50.0% 87.1% 1
18) Beeblebear .............................................: 48.9% 44.7% 4
19) Pat Flannery ...........................................: 48.4% 57.5% 4
20) Aaron ..................................................: 48.1% 61.6% 37
21) Matthias Feser .........................................: 47.5% 70.3% 8
22) William Marnoch ........................................: 46.8% 65.7% 2
23) Johan Poppe ............................................: 46.6% 55.2% 3
24) Herb Schaltegger .......................................: 46.5% 58.1% 50
25) John Vreeland ..........................................: 46.2% 44.8% 3
26) ***@gmail.com .....................................: 45.8% 51.2% 1
27) Craig Richardson .......................................: 44.8% 50.4% 1
28) Penelope Periwinkle ....................................: 44.6% 56.5% 64
29) Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) ..............................: 42.9% 53.1% 1
30) Michelle J. Haines .....................................: 42.7% 51.8% 12
31) Richard R. Hershberger .................................: 40.0% 48.8% 1
32) Dr. Dave ...............................................: 38.5% 44.1% 1
33) Gene Ward Smith ........................................: 36.8% 64.5% 1
34) KobeWanKenobi ..........................................: 35.5% 49.1% 3
35) ***@gmail.com .......................................: 34.8% 55.4% 1
36) T Guy ..................................................: 33.3% 38.8% 1
37) Chucky & Janica ........................................: 31.3% 45.2% 108
38) Shelob .................................................: 31.2% 37.9% 4
39) Peter Wright ...........................................: 28.3% 36.0% 29
40) Nicholas Waller ........................................: 23.8% 31.3% 2
41) Paul Harman ............................................: 23.2% 36.4% 3
42) pointed ................................................: 23.0% 28.2% 12
43) bombardmentforce .......................................: 22.7% 32.7% 8
44) Keith Morrison .........................................: 22.2% 58.5% 1
45) Robert Sneddon .........................................: 20.8% 25.2% 1
46) Kurt Busiek ............................................: 20.0% 28.8% 1
47) Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big but : 19.0% 28.5% 2
48) Jim Davis ..............................................: 17.6% 23.2% 1
49) Peter D. Tillman .......................................: 8.0% 11.0% 1
50) Mark ...................................................: 4.3% 8.2% 1


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[Peter Wright]

Post by bruce
StatNews Report
(Version: 3.32-jc20051017)
Newsgroup................: alt.fan.grrm

[ snip ]

Post by bruce
Messages.................: 567
Authors..................: 57
Messages per author......: 9.9

Oooh. So close.

Post by bruce
Top 50 threads (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=============================================================
1) The 3 heads of the dragon... ..................: 312 44.6 55.0%

The three-headed thread that just won't die.

Post by bruce
2) Good reads, but not Science Fiction ...........: 108 15.4 19.0%

I have to keep reminding myself that this is a crossposted thread.
And I keep forgetting.

Post by bruce
3) afgrrm weekly statistics (28/01/06) ...........: 40 5.7 7.1%
4) unCHOW: ASoS - Daenerys II - How Much Is That E: 39 5.6 6.9%
5) What will happen to Cersei. ...................: 20 2.9 3.5%
6) AFFC: Arrrrgh! ................................: 15 2.1 2.6%

I swear, without CHOWs and the weekly stats, this group would be
reduced to endless (occasionally) witty sniping at each other.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Post by bruce
Top 50 authors (#1: reg. Linux user, #2: total mesgs, #3: mesgs/day, #4: share)
===============================================================================
1) Chucky & Janica ............................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ............................. : 79 11.3 13.9%

What was it last week? Ah yes, the Dark Lord and his Igor. Okay, this
week I think it'll be Zapp Brannigan and Kif.

"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they
stand, but with neutrals - who knows. It sickens me."

"Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could
have devised it."


Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

Post by bruce
3) Penelope Periwinkle ........................... : 64 9.1 11.3%

Penelope's still clambering up towards post-count glory... look out,
Kif...

Post by bruce
4) Herb Schaltegger .............................. : 50 7.1 8.8%
5) Aaron ......................................... : 37 5.3 6.5%
6) Peter Wright .................................. : 29 4.1 5.1%
7) Laurence ...................................... : 28 4.0 4.9%

Dammit. Well out of contention... again. *sigh*

Post by bruce
8) Aaron F. Bourque .............................. : 23 3.3 4.1%
9) mgraves ....................................... : 18 2.6 3.2%
11) Michelle J. Haines ............................ : 12 1.7 2.1%

Yikes. Michelle's posting again. Run away!

Post by bruce
12) pointed ....................................... : 12 1.7 2.1%
13) Matthias Feser ................................ : 8 1.1 1.4%
14) bombardmentforce .............................. : 8 1.1 1.4%
15) Polly S. ...................................... : 5 0.7 0.9%
16) Beeblebear .................................... : 4 0.6 0.7%
17) Pat Flannery .................................. : 4 0.6 0.7%
18) Rob Wilson .................................... : 4 0.6 0.7%
19) Shelob ........................................ : 4 0.6 0.7%
20) Stephen ....................................... : 4 0.6 0.7%
21) Johan Poppe ................................... : 3 0.4 0.5%
22) John Vreeland ................................. : 3 0.4 0.5%

...and then we have those falling behind. Oh noes. Cue sad look.

Post by bruce
Top 50 crossposting groups (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=========================================================================
1) alt.fan.robert-jordan ...........................: 110 15.7 19.4%
2) rec.arts.sf.written .............................: 94 13.4 16.6%

Bloody crossposting.

Post by bruce
3) sci.space.policy ................................: 16 2.3 2.8%
4) sci.space.history ...............................: 12 1.7 2.1%
5) alt.war.nuclear .................................: 1 0.1 0.2%

...how the hell did that sneak in? Weird.

Post by bruce
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--
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Pete.

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by Peter Wright

Post by bruce
3) sci.space.policy ................................: 16 2.3 2.8%
4) sci.space.history ...............................: 12 1.7 2.1%
5) alt.war.nuclear .................................: 1 0.1 0.2%

...how the hell did that sneak in? Weird.

That's "bombardmentfarce" - a loony net.kook who knows nothing about
science, technology or engineering but will defend silly "Orion"
nuclear bomb-powered space battleships like they were the best unbuilt
designs ever conceived, never mind the realities. Google in
sci.space.history for our reactions to him over there a few months ago.

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Google in

Any group to see that Herb is an ignorant and rude Luddite who thinks
ISS is high tech.

[mgraves]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Google in

Any group to see that Herb is an ignorant and rude Luddite who thinks

Herb? Do you really take time off from maintaining your web site and
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines? I'm shocked and appalled.

Post by bombardmentforce
ISS is high tech.

The space station? Some really cutting edge research is being done up
there. ISS is high tech in every possible way.

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Google in

Any group to see that Herb is an ignorant and rude Luddite who thinks

Herb? Do you really take time off from maintaining your web site and
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines? I'm shocked and appalled.

Post by bombardmentforce
ISS is high tech.

The space station? Some really cutting edge research is being done up
there. ISS is high tech in every possible way.

"Bombardmentfarce" is an idiotic kid who doesn't know technology from
the hole in his ass. He's also jealous because some of the ECLSS
hardware I designed is actually on-orbit an operational in the U.S.
segments of ISS as I type this, unlike his thermonuclear wet-dreams.

[mgraves]

Post by Herb Schaltegger

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Google in

Any group to see that Herb is an ignorant and rude Luddite who thinks

Herb? Do you really take time off from maintaining your web site and
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines? I'm shocked and appalled.

Post by bombardmentforce
ISS is high tech.

The space station? Some really cutting edge research is being done
up there. ISS is high tech in every possible way.

"Bombardmentfarce" is an idiotic kid who doesn't know technology from
the hole in his ass. He's also jealous because some of the ECLSS
hardware I designed is actually on-orbit an operational in the U.S.
segments of ISS as I type this, unlike his thermonuclear wet-dreams.

Nice. My interest has pretty much been limited to the Fluids and Combustion
Lab rather than on the station itself, but that's pretty impressive. You
say your hardware is used on the U.S. segments? I had assumed that life
support would be a station-wide integration. Is that a Hamilton or Marshall
contribution (or both)?

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by mgraves

Post by Herb Schaltegger
"Bombardmentfarce" is an idiotic kid who doesn't know technology from
the hole in his ass. He's also jealous because some of the ECLSS
hardware I designed is actually on-orbit an operational in the U.S.
segments of ISS as I type this, unlike his thermonuclear wet-dreams.

Nice. My interest has pretty much been limited to the Fluids and Combustion
Lab rather than on the station itself, but that's pretty impressive. You
say your hardware is used on the U.S. segments? I had assumed that life
support would be a station-wide integration. Is that a Hamilton or Marshall
contribution (or both)?

My work was on the Space Station Freedom Atmosphere Revitalization side
of the Regenerable ECLSS design group. Of course, the U.S. parts of
the ISS are the Space Station Freedom components that were designed and
started building when SSF was given in unholy union along with the
Russians and married to form the ISS.

The AR stuff I worked on is flying in the Unity Node, U.S. Lab and
airlock, and it will integrate with stuff in the ESA Columbus module
(maybe, someday . . .) and the Japanese Kibo module (ditto). The
Russian stuff is a mish-mash, some of which was intended for Mir 2.
Nothing I did really interacts all that much with their stuff, except
inasmuch as the air circulates between all the pressurized segments.

I left the program in August 1993 to start law school, but the SSF -->
ISS morphing was underway by then. My friends in the program
periodically sent me pics and design drawings showing how things were
going up through the launch of the first Node. If you ever see the
IMAX movie about ISS (the one narrated by Tom "I know psychiatry!"
Cruise), the equipment rack being man-handled inside the Lab is the ARS
rack holding many of the components I worked on.

This part of the SSF contract was Work Package 1, managed by MSFC. I
worked for Boeing in Huntsville and we were responsible for all the
pressurized U.S. elements (Nodes 1 - 4, Lab "A" and "B", Hab "A" and
"B", the Airlock, Cupola, and the 3 MPLMs, and integration of the
entire station. As part of the ISS morph, the MPLMs, Node 2 and Cupola
got farmed out to ESA and Alenia to build (after the designs and all
the tooling were done and ready to go at Marshall, of course), Node 2
is structurally different than originally designed, however. Of
course, Lab "B" and both Habs got canned, as did the third and fourth
Nodes.

The saddest thing about all this nonsense is that by mid-93 all these
designs were DONE. FEL was targeted for '95 and all that lacked was
the money to build it. Now 13 years later we still don't have a
complete station and have spent as much or more than just building SSF
would've cost in the first place.

[bombardmentforce]

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

Post by mgraves
really cutting edge research

Cite?

jealous ... ECLSS

"ECLSS also manages the storage and. disposal of water and crew waste."

That's it, I'm jealous of your wonderful HVAC and sewage work on a
platform that does only a few man-hours of not very interesting
research a week.

Now the sewage/engine interface on the Orion would have been something
to brag about.

[mgraves]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

Easy, boy, I'm not attacking you yet. Space *is* the Frontier. People
didn't sail to the New World in order to learn about ships and the problems
associated with an extended voyage. By the time the first trans-Atlantic
voyages were made, sailing, ships, and all of the inherent problems were old
hat. At this point, we've done little more than make a few dug-out canoes
and paddle across the English Channel.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
really cutting edge research

Cite?

The FTSCE's work with gallium arsenide solar cells for one.

Post by bombardmentforce

jealous ... ECLSS

"ECLSS also manages the storage and. disposal of water and crew waste."
That's it, I'm jealous of your wonderful HVAC and sewage work on a
platform that does only a few man-hours of not very interesting
research a week.

I still don't see where you are coming from. Waste is a very serious issue
and experiments that may seem "not very interesting" can be revolutionary.
Remember Archimedes and his bath?

Post by bombardmentforce
Now the sewage/engine interface on the Orion would have been something
to brag about.

Who can say? There is still the whole ablation/spalling of the pusher
plates yet to be resolved and there is currently no practical way to test
it. One thing is for sure, it would leave a nasty wake. Daedalus might
have some possibilities when technology catches up to it, but still, you may
have a great sail, but it won't do any good if you die from scurvy. The
"not very interesting" experiments must go on.

[bombardmentforce]

Post by mgraves
At this point, we've done little more than make a few dug-out canoes
and paddle across the English Channel.

True, I'm frustrated with our genral situation. I'm particuarly
frustrated with Herb because he isn't open to understanding
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov's technology in depth before he dismisses
it.

Post by mgraves
whole ablation/spalling

Ablation the orginal team solved, spalling would have been dealt with
during atomic tests.

I'm optimistic that modern materials science will provide even better
solutions than General Atomic would have found.

Post by mgraves
"not very interesting" experiments

I don't want to come of as too negative, I'm very interested in
potential ISS experiments. I just don't think the tiny number of
research hours they have scheduled each week can answer the huge number
of questions we have.

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
Now the sewage/engine interface on the Orion would have been something
to brag about.

Who can say?

Herb, but he hasn't said anything about this connection between his
work and Dyson's. Orion engines are the only potential ones that could
integrate with an open cycle life support system.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
At this point, we've done little more than make a few dug-out canoes
and paddle across the English Channel.

True, I'm frustrated with our genral situation. I'm particuarly
frustrated with Herb because he isn't open to understanding
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov's technology in depth before he dismisses
it.

What's to understand? They're impossible at current scientific and
technological understanding.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov

impossible

Explain where the giants went wrong. What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

[mgraves]

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov

impossible

Explain where the giants went wrong. What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

Honestly, if you start lighting candles in their shrines as if they were
gods, I will smack you upside the head with about 10 inches of cock and walk
away from the whole conversation.

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov

impossible

Explain where the giants went wrong. What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

Honestly, if you start lighting candles in their shrines as if they were
gods, I will smack you upside the head with about 10 inches of cock and walk
away from the whole conversation.

You incredible dorks.

That is all.

*walks away from the conversation*


Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Pat Flannery]

Post by mgraves
Honestly, if you start lighting candles in their shrines as if they were
gods, I will smack you upside the head with about 10 inches of cock and walk
away from the whole conversation.

What good will hitting him with a small rooster do?
Is this one of those hitting people with a rubber chicken jokes like on
Monty Python?

Pat

[mgraves]

Post by Pat Flannery

Post by mgraves
Honestly, if you start lighting candles in their shrines as if they
were gods, I will smack you upside the head with about 10 inches of
cock and walk away from the whole conversation.

What good will hitting him with a small rooster do?
Is this one of those hitting people with a rubber chicken jokes like
on Monty Python?

Small rooster?

http://www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org/inn/gallery/mgraves.htm

Post by Pat Flannery
Pat

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov

impossible

Explain where the giants went wrong. What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

Honestly, if you start lighting candles in their shrines as if they were
gods, I will smack you upside the head with about 10 inches of cock and walk
away from the whole conversation.

See, this is where "bombardmentfarce" proves he's an idiot kid. He
expects everyone on Usenet to prove his thermonuclear wet dreams won't
work, rather than realizing that the proponent of an idea has to prove
it WILL work.

This is actually a sign of some psychiatric conditions like delusions
of grandeur - treating one's own ideas and wishes as if they are
reality sprung full-form from one's forehead and then getting angry,
upset and derogatory when the world refuses to accept their fantasies.
They cannot understand that truly worthwhile ideas are built from the
ground up, piece by piece, rather than being handed down from the
"genius" on high.

But I bet "bombardmentfarce" has had some experience with qualified
mental health professionals already.

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

understanding Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov's technology in depth before he
dismisses it.

What's to understand? They're impossible at current scientific and
technological understanding.
Aaron

... tumbling pigeon artificial gravity

perpetual motion machines?
Aaron

No, rent 2001..

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Orion/PK-5000

a perpetual motion machine
Aaron

No, a type of rocket with external combustion.

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

prove his thermonuclear ... won't
work, rather than realizing that the proponent of an idea has to prove
it WILL work.

Asking Aaron to argue his case was useful, he may support Orion, once
he knows it is not a perpetual mostion scheme.

As a proponent of Orion I have to argue my case, but only on points
other proponents haven't established yet. Simply reading George Dyson's
book or Freeman Dyson's publications will prove to a reasonable man
that NPP is possible, even if not cheap or desirable. von Braun was
convinced, you have no need to demand more proof than he.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov

impossible

Explain where the giants went wrong. What part of the Orion/PK-5000
design can you prove would not work?

Look, if you want to believe a perpetual motion machine is possible,
I'll line up right behind you. Or next to you. Fuck, I'll try to cut in
line.

The fact exists, perpetual motion machines are impossible by our
current understanding of how the universe holds itself together.

Same with a lot of sci-fi cliches. Time travel? Impossible. FTL travel?
Impossible. Practical shrinking? Impossible. Women getting into this
conversation and still finding us physically alluring? Impossible.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I'd make specific points, but I'd
have to look up the Orion/PK-5000 thing and those names and bleh. It's
getting late, and I'm tired.

[Pat Flannery]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I'd make specific points, but I'd
have to look up the Orion/PK-5000 thing and those names and bleh. It's
getting late, and I'm tired.

Here's a couple of declassified pdfs on project Orion. The idea is
basically sound, but its implementation is going to be very complex and
expensive if anyone tries it:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650058729_1965058729.pdf
(66 pages)
and in more detail:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770085619_1977085619.pdf
(197 pages).


Pat

[mgraves]

Post by Pat Flannery

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; I'd make specific points, but I'd
have to look up the Orion/PK-5000 thing and those names and bleh.
It's getting late, and I'm tired.

Here's a couple of declassified pdfs on project Orion. The idea is
basically sound, but its implementation is going to be very complex
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650058729_1965058729.pdf
(66 pages)
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770085619_1977085619.pdf
(197 pages).

Potentially versus Realistically:

A young boy went up to his father and asked him, "Dad, what is the
difference between potentially and realistically?"
The father thought for moment, then answered, "Go ask your mother if
she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars." "Then ask your
sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars, and then,
ask your brother if he'd sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars.
Come back and tell me what you learn from that."

So the boy went to his mother and asked, "Would you sleep with Brad
Pitt for a million dollars?"

The mother replied, "Of course I would! We could really use that money
to fix up the house and send you kids to a great University!"

The boy then went to his sister and asked, "Would you sleep with Brad
Pitt for a million dollars?"

The girl replied, "Oh my God! I LOVE Brad Pitt. I would sleep with
him in a heartbeat, are you nuts?"

The boy then went to his brother and asked, "Would you sleep with Brad
Pitt for a million dollars?"

"Of course," the brother replied. "Do you know how much a million bucks
would buy?"

The boy pondered the answers for a few days, then went back to his dad.
His father asked him, "Did you find out the difference between
potentially and realistically?"

The boy replied, "Yes. Potentially, you and I are sitting on Three
Million Dollars but Realistically, we're living with two sluts and a
queer.

[Pat Flannery]

Post by mgraves
The boy replied, "Yes. Potentially, you and I are sitting on Three
Million Dollars but Realistically, we're living with two sluts and a
queer.

That's a _really_ good one; that gets forwarded to my friends! :-D :-D :-D


Pat

[mgraves]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
At this point, we've done little more than make a few dug-out canoes
and paddle across the English Channel.

True, I'm frustrated with our genral situation. I'm particuarly
frustrated with Herb because he isn't open to understanding
Ulam/Taylor/Dyson/Sakharov's technology in depth before he dismisses
it.

Post by mgraves
whole ablation/spalling

Ablation the orginal team solved, spalling would have been dealt with
during atomic tests.

#1) Why? I'm not at all opposed to the theory, but we're not ready for
testing. We need more basic research on how to live and function in
microgravity.

#2) How? The sort of engineering tests that are necessary must be
conducted outside of the magnetosphere to avoid breaking international
treaties and causing widespread fallout. You casually dismiss ablation and
spalling, but I never believe calculations and experiments in a controlled
lab until I see a live test. As such, the cost does not outweigh point #1.
By the time we are ready for the sort of interplanetary travel for which
Orion would be most useful, we may be able to harness the power of fusion
and then we would be talking about Daedalus or any number of other
theoretical propulsion mechanisms.

Post by bombardmentforce
I'm optimistic that modern materials science will provide even better
solutions than General Atomic would have found.

Post by mgraves
"not very interesting" experiments

I don't want to come of as too negative, I'm very interested in
potential ISS experiments. I just don't think the tiny number of
research hours they have scheduled each week can answer the huge
number of questions we have.

Again, we're back to too many people wanting too much too soon. Spend the
money now, let the engineers involved run their "mundane" experiments and
great things will happen over the next couple of hundred years. Everyone
wants to cut the funding because the results of these very expensive
experiments (pardon the alliteration) will not get them reelected, but the
fact is, these tests have to be done before we can take the next step.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
Now the sewage/engine interface on the Orion would have been
something to brag about.

Who can say?

Herb, but he hasn't said anything about this connection between his
work and Dyson's. Orion engines are the only potential ones that could
integrate with an open cycle life support system.

Wow, that's really out there. I'm not sure how to respond without sounding
degrading or rude. This isn't about Babylon, is it?

Herb works with reality, while Dyson worked with theory. We have much more
data now than Dyson had available to him in the late fifties/early sixties.
He was brilliant, by all accounts, but I'd really like to hear what sort of
life support system Dyson came up with that would withstand the mountain of
information we currently have regarding life support systems in extended
stays in a microgravity environment.

[Pat Flannery]

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
Herb, but he hasn't said anything about this connection between his
work and Dyson's. Orion engines are the only potential ones that could
integrate with an open cycle life support system.

Wow, that's really out there. I'm not sure how to respond without sounding
degrading or rude. This isn't about Babylon, is it?

I want to see a ship powered by a crap-firing mass driver.
And then I want to point the tail end of that ship (henceforward known
as a Shitship) straight at Bombardmentforce's house. :-)
They actually played around with the idea of ejecting human waste at
high velocity for use on the ISS (or was it Freedom?) to counteract
orbital decay.

Pat

[bombardmentforce]

Post by mgraves
#1) Why? I'm not at all opposed to the theory, but we're not ready for
testing. We need more basic research on how to live and function in
microgravity.

I think tumbling pigeon artificial gravity, as propsed by the orginal
team, is a more practical short term soluttion.

Post by mgraves
dismiss ablation and
spalling, but I never believe calculations and experiments in a controlled
lab until I see a live test.

Lew Allen did live Atomic tests with ablation, a layer of oil(C,H see
below) will ablate without allowing the pulse of energy to ablate the
metal.

Post by mgraves
tests that are necessary must be
conducted outside of the magnetosphere to avoid breaking international
treaties and causing widespread fallout.

Or underground, there are some good diagrams in GA-5009. Here they also
describe a three lobe pulse unit design, that would throw the
radiactive core out of the magnetosphere when launched at the proper
latitude.

Post by mgraves
the power of fusion
and then we would be talking about Daedalus

Orion and derivatives also fall in the category of optionally using
fusion or antimatter power.

Post by mgraves
I'd really like to hear what sort of
life support system Dyson came up with that would withstand the mountain of
information we currently have regarding life support systems in extended
stays in a microgravity environment.

Curent Mars mission research is all closed cycle, and mostly
microgravity.
Dyson and the General Atomic team specified normal gravity in a
spinning ship.
The life support model was open cycle, with a special twist. As the
crew consumed their canned food, the resulting waste products are rich
in carbon and hydrogen. Those elements are useful in the propellant to
keep the heat from flowing through to the plate. So the plan was to
fill additional pulse units on the way to Mars with human waste.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
#1) Why? I'm not at all opposed to the theory, but we're not ready for
testing. We need more basic research on how to live and function in
microgravity.

I think tumbling pigeon artificial gravity, as propsed by the orginal
team, is a more practical short term soluttion.

Wouldn't that require more energy? Which would limit energy usage in
other areas?

Remember what I said about perpetual motion machines?

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
the power of fusion and then we would be talking about Daedalus

Orion and derivatives also fall in the category of optionally using
fusion or antimatter power.

. . .

Two energy sources we haven't figured out how to harness? Let alone
safely and effectively?

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Orion and derivatives also fall in the category of optionally using
fusion or antimatter power.

Two energy sources we haven't figured out how to harness? Let alone
safely and effectively?
Aaron

Fission we have used effectively , fusion we have harnesed safely for
evil-detering bombs
antimatter is next on the menu if Halfnium doesn't work out.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&hs=ehD&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=antimatter+catalyzed+fusion&spell=1

[Aaron F. Bourque]

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
Orion and derivatives also fall in the category of optionally using
fusion or antimatter power.

Two energy sources we haven't figured out how to harness? Let alone
safely and effectively?
Aaron

Fission we have used effectively , fusion we have harnesed safely for
evil-detering bombs

. . .

Safely?

Effectively?

Point me to the fusion nuclear reactor(s), please.

Post by bombardmentforce
antimatter is next on the menu if Halfnium doesn't work out.

Yes, exactly. We haven't figured out how to harness matter/anti-matter
reactions. Because matter/anti-matter reactions are so devastating, we
*certainly* haven't figured out how to harness they release safely or
effectively.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
effectively

Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Safely

In the bay, and at the top, quick acting reactors wait.

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Point me to the fusion nuclear reactor(s)

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque
We haven't figured out how to harness matter/anti-matter
reactions.

The work I provided pointers to hints at the coming solutions.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
effectively

Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Actually, compared to more modern versions of the fission bomb, Fat Man
and Little Boy are like dynamite versus napalm.

Which makes me think you don't actually know what you're talking about,
and only have tertiary knowledge of that which you seem to be
professing to be something of an expert, or at least an enthusiast.

I mean, I *know* I only have a tertiary understanding and knowledge of
forms of effective nuclear energy and . . . space policy? What groups
is this thread cross-posted to? Anyway, I'm not an enthusiast, it's
just something that kind of interests me once I get beyond other things
that interest me. Like food. And shelter. And women. And women on
women.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Safely

In the bay, and at the top, quick acting reactors wait.

. . .

No, they don't "wait." Except maybe in the sense that they're trapped
in a well, and we haven't the technology to pull them out of the well
without destroying ourselves, first.

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http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/PostWW2/Bombers/B52/b52-1-TPP.jpg
http://www.llnl.gov/pao/WYOP/Images/minuteman184x240s.jpg

. . .

Okay. Those don't use nuclear energy, bucko. Safely, effectively, or at
all.

What are you *doing*?

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Point me to the fusion nuclear reactor(s)

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2002/06/09/csp_hydrogen-bomb.jpg

Reactor, not bomb.

Arguably, even fission energy plants aren't safe and effective, but
they're more safe and effective than a goddamn bomb.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
We haven't figured out how to harness matter/anti-matter reactions.

The work I provided pointers to hints at the coming solutions.

Hints? HINTS?

I didn't realize it was a mystery, Mr. Holmes.

::dons deerskin cap::

::places pipe in mouth::

::blows bubbles::

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
effectively

Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Actually, compared to more modern versions of the fission bomb, Fat Man
and Little Boy are like dynamite versus napalm.

My figure of merit is

m = Evil Empires destroyed / # of disposable reactors >= .2 for the
WWII set

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
In the bay, and at the top, quick acting reactors wait.

No, they don't "wait." Except maybe in the sense that they're trapped
in a well, and we haven't the technology to pull them out of the well
without destroying ourselves, first.

Post by bombardmentforce
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/PostWW2/Bombers/B52/b52-1-TPP.jpg
http://www.llnl.gov/pao/WYOP/Images/minuteman184x240s.jpg

. . .

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Okay. Those don't use nuclear energy, bucko. Safely, effectively, or at
all.

They do, potentially, "in the bay, and at the top"

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Reactor, not bomb

A bomb is just a quick acting type of reactor, Dr. Stainislaw Ulam, the
co-inventor of the Hydrogen type, sometimes called them "disposable
reactors".

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
more ... effective

Orion is a technique for using disposable reactors more effectively
than most space reactor designs. The figures of merit we could
discuss...

ISP
Thrust - Weight
A chart from the potentially revised edition of "Spacecraft Systems
Engineering "
http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/2005/08/publishers-honest-or-lazy.html

Propellant flexibility
Shutdown time
etc.

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
We haven't figured out how to harness matter/anti-matter reactions.

The work I provided pointers to hints at the coming solutions.

I didn't realize it was a mystery

In two ways, first this is fresh and unfinished research, second the
realy useful results will be classified.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

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Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/PostWW2/Bombers/B52/b52-1-TPP.jpg
http://www.llnl.gov/pao/WYOP/Images/minuteman184x240s.jpg

. . .

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Okay. Those don't use nuclear energy, bucko. Safely, effectively, or at
all.

They do, potentially,

. . .

See other post in thread about potentially and realistically.

Post by bombardmentforce
"in the bay, and at the top"

I get the feeling you're making a reference to something I'm supposed
to get, but don't.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
Reactor, not bomb

A bomb is just a quick acting type of reactor,

No.

A bomb is a reactor that doesn't work. Thus, explosions and hellfire.

Post by bombardmentforce
Dr. Stainislaw Ulam, the co-inventor of the Hydrogen type, sometimes called
them "disposable reactors".

I'm sure the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would agree with him,
thanks to all the nice electricity they've been getting from the
"reactors."

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
We haven't figured out how to harness matter/anti-matter reactions.

The work I provided pointers to hints at the coming solutions.

I didn't realize it was a mystery

In two ways, first this is fresh and unfinished research, second the
realy useful results will be classified.

. . .

Unfinished research, eh?

Oh, my. Then we don't know what the results could be. It could be that
in our current understanding of physics, it's impossible to harness the
energy of m/am reactions.

This, I admit, would play into your grubby little delusional hands.

But it doesn't get the average man into space and near Mars, let alone
out of the solar system.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[bombardmentforce]

Post by bombardmentforce
potentially

It was, of course, the potential atomic explosions that crushed the
Empire of the Rising Sun.

Post by bombardmentforce
a reference to something I'm supposed to get

Yes.

Post by bombardmentforce
A bomb is...

A bomb is a reactor that works quickly. Thus, explosions as needed.

Post by bombardmentforce
nice electricity they've been getting from the "reactors."

Nice freedom they got from victory, without the planned starvation of
the whole nation.

Post by bombardmentforce
It could be that... it's impossible to harness the energy of m/am reactions.

True, but one of the designs for antimatter fuel is an Orion
derivative.

Post by bombardmentforce
But it doesn't get the average man into space and near Mars

Here's a large scale trip to Mars, animated.

http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/2005/07/quality-animation.html

Large ships can lead to lower prices per seat.

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by bombardmentforce
potentially

It was, of course, the potential atomic explosions that crushed the
Empire of the Rising Sun.

Actually, it was the real true atomic explosions that did that.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by bombardmentforce
a reference to something I'm supposed to get

Yes.

. . .

Mind sharing?

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by bombardmentforce
A bomb is...

A bomb is a reactor that works quickly. Thus, explosions as needed.

. . .

You don't actually know what you're talking about, do you?

There's a *whole* lot more going on in a nuclear reactor than goes on
in a nuclear explosion. It isn't just that we've figured out of to slow
the nuclear reactor down and can now power subs and city blocks.

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by bombardmentforce
nice electricity they've been getting from the "reactors."

Nice freedom they got from victory, without the planned starvation of
the whole nation.

Post by bombardmentforce
It could be that... it's impossible to harness the energy of m/am reactions.

True, but one of the designs for antimatter fuel is an Orion
derivative.

. . .

Oy, vey.

"One of the designs" for antimatter fuel? You know what another
"design" for antimatter fuel is?

Using the same model as atomic reactions!

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Post by bombardmentforce
But it doesn't get the average man into space and near Mars

Here's a large scale trip to Mars, animated.
http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/2005/07/quality-animation.html

. . .

You are, perhaps, unaware that animations are not real?

Post by bombardmentforce
Large ships can lead to lower prices per seat.

So? If you can't power the ship, it doesn't matter how many seats it
carries.

Look this is very simple:

Fission reactions produce foo power.

Fusion reactions produce floo power, where floo is greater than foo by
a certain multiple.

And matter/anti-matter reaction produce ohmyflook power, where
ohmyflook power is greater than floo power by a large multiple.

We know we *can* safely harness foo power. Foo power can propel ixny
number of people to Mars in offney days months/years. Perhaps so long
that it's not practical.

But here's the mind-blowey part:

Steam reactions produce oo power, where oo is less than foo by a
certain multiple.

Steam reactions can propel ixny number of people to Mars . . . but it
would take so long that it isn't practical.

AND, finally, our current understanding of physics has it that, were
floo and ohmyflook power harnessable, it would already require
near-floo and near-ohmyflook power to do. We can, eventually make it so
it's less near-flook and less near-ohmyflook power to harness flook and
ohmyflook power. But it might take years to get to that point, and it
may even take a radicalization of our understanding of physics to make
it so that it's actually practical.

So far, no one sane is actually willing to redesign the laws of physics
to get us to outer space more often. Some people are maybe proposing
some shifts in the focus on the laws of physics so that we can actually
make the breakthroughs and even things that we have no names for. But
some pipe-dream ultra-tech that we don't have the foundations to
implement, nor perhaps even the foundations of the foundations yet in
certain circumstances isn't what we need to get behind.

And touting the merits of it now does nothing but label you as a kook.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; an ohmyflook kook

[bombardmentforce]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by bombardmentforce
It was, of course, the potential atomic explosions that crushed the
Empire of the Rising Sun.

Actually, it was the real true atomic explosions that did that.

No, it was the fear of the ones to come.

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
There's a *whole* lot more going on in a nuclear reactor

An atomic bomb is a type of nuclear reactor. A slow reactor might be
more complex, or less than a fast one, depending on the details of the
two designs.

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
But it might take years to get to that point

We learned the essential basics of how to harness Atomic explosions for
spaceships before 1965.

Watch the linked movie, it convinced von Braun with no new physics...
http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/2005/11/flight-of-hotrod-frame-counts.html

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On 4 Feb 2006 19:55:30 -0800, "bombardmentforce"

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?


Penelope

[mgraves]

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On 4 Feb 2006 19:55:30 -0800, "bombardmentforce"

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.


You were talking to me, right?

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0600 - there
was this guy, or something, called "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.
You were talking to me, right?

One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to come
back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.

*waits for Mgraves to say something like "I wish my girlfriend would
bite me on the ass, I'm beginning to lose all feeling below the waist"
or something else even more terrible that I can't begin to imagine,
but will leave in Mgraves's capable hands*





C&J

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:18:59 +0200, Chucky & Janica
<...>

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce
Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.
You were talking to me, right?

One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to come
back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.
*waits for Mgraves to say something like "I wish my girlfriend would
bite me on the ass, I'm beginning to lose all feeling below the waist"
or something else even more terrible that I can't begin to imagine,
but will leave in Mgraves's capable hands*

If Mgraves' hands were capable, would he posting the stuff he's
posted to Usenet?


Penelope

[mgraves]

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:18:59 +0200, Chucky & Janica
<...>

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce
Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by
denigrating good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to
understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.
You were talking to me, right?

One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to come
back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.
*waits for Mgraves to say something like "I wish my girlfriend would
bite me on the ass, I'm beginning to lose all feeling below the
waist" or something else even more terrible that I can't begin to
imagine, but will leave in Mgraves's capable hands*

If Mgraves' hands were capable, would he posting the stuff he's
posted to Usenet?

Not my fault, it's her's. Nobody ever warned me that foreplay could cause
frostbite.

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
Penelope

[mgraves]

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0600 - there
was this guy, or something, called "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by
denigrating good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to
understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.
You were talking to me, right?

One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to come
back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.

Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
No, poisoning my food is more her style.

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:01:38 -0600 - there

Post by mgraves

Post by Chucky & Janica
One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to come
back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.

Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
No, poisoning my food is more her style.

Yes, you surpassed my unimaginative expectations.




C&J

[mgraves]

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:01:38 -0600 - there

Post by mgraves

Post by Chucky & Janica
One day, the stuff you've posted on these newsgroups is going to
come back and bite you on the ass. I just hope I'm there to see it.

Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a
good ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have
thought that I would manage to find the one and only vampire who
despises all things oral? No, poisoning my food is more her style.

Yes, you surpassed my unimaginative expectations.

Give it a couple of more years and you'll smell what I'm stepping in.

[Fred J. McCall]

"mgraves" <***@mgraves.com> wrote:

:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:No, poisoning my food is more her style.

So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
dispatching you?

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:48:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall

Post by Fred J. McCall
:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
dispatching you?

<groan>

Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.


Penelope

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:48:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall

Post by Fred J. McCall
:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
dispatching you?

<groan>
Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.

*salts*

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
Penelope

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Laurence]

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:48:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall

Post by Fred J. McCall
:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
dispatching you?

<groan>
Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.

*salts*

That would be a salt with a deadly weapon...

[Fred J. McCall]

Penelope Periwinkle <***@mindspring.com> wrote:

:On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:48:22 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:<***@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
:>"mgraves" <***@mgraves.com> wrote:
:>
:>:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:>:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:>:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:>:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
:>
:>So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
:>dispatching you?
:
:<groan>
:
:Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.

So, would you dispatch a Jewish vampire with a pork chop?

[A steak through MY heart? Now you're a sharpshooter?]

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:33:58 GMT, Fred J. McCall

Post by Fred J. McCall
:>
:>:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:>:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:>:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:>:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
:>
:>So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
:>dispatching you?
:<groan>
:Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.
So, would you dispatch a Jewish vampire with a pork chop?

No, I'd make him listen to your jokes and he'd dispatch himself.

Penelope

[Fred J. McCall]

Penelope Periwinkle <***@mindspring.com> wrote:

:On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:33:58 GMT, Fred J. McCall
:<***@earthlink.net> wrote:
:>Penelope Periwinkle <***@mindspring.com> wrote:
:>: Fred J. McCall <***@earthlink.net> wrote:
:>:>"mgraves" <***@mgraves.com> wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:Based on other things I can't get her to put in her mouth, I'd say a good
:>:>:ass biting is a fairly remote possibility. Who would have thought that I
:>:>:would manage to find the one and only vampire who despises all things oral?
:>:>:No, poisoning my food is more her style.
:>:>
:>:>So she's going for the old 'steak through the heart' method of
:>:>dispatching you?
:>:
:>:<groan>
:>:
:>:Quick, somebody put a steak through his heart.
:>
:>So, would you dispatch a Jewish vampire with a pork chop?
:
:No, I'd make him listen to your jokes and he'd dispatch himself.

Note to self. Birthday present for Penelope: Sense of humour.

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0600, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by denigrating
good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.

I'm beginning to have a keen sympathy for her.

Post by mgraves
You were talking to me, right?

Sure, as long as you don't expect me to talk dirty to you.



Penelope

[mgraves]

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:13:37 -0600, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by mgraves
posting to Usenet to destroy textile machines?

Posting to Usenet to delay our quest for the Frontier by
denigrating good, needed technolgies he doesn't even try to
understand..

So, how's that dried mucus collection coming?

She's pretending to sleep so that she doesn't have to put-out.

I'm beginning to have a keen sympathy for her.

I blame Dr. Phil.

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by mgraves
You were talking to me, right?

Sure, as long as you don't expect me to talk dirty to you.

I suppose a good spanking is out of the question?

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
Penelope

[Pat Flannery]

Post by Herb Schaltegger
"Bombardmentfarce" is an idiotic kid who doesn't know technology from
the hole in his ass.

What really annoys me is that a discussion of the ups and downs of the
Orion space battleship concept would have been a lot of fun, and instead
this jerk pretty much ruined it for us with his whacky ideas that seems
to confuse reality with some sort of fantasy space wargame.

Pat

[bombardmentforce]

Don't get hung up on past arguments.

Back to the current moment,

ups ... Orion space battleship concept

Did you see anything fresh and DSBF related in Rusty's referenced
documents? I just noticed the Solem's reference to Ulam's 1947 paper
today.

[bombardmentforce]

cutting edge research is being done up there

"Without a solution to the crew availability problem, and other
limitations in facility access and operations, the ISS can never
achieve the status of a world-class research laboratory"

-National Research Council

[mgraves]

Post by bombardmentforce

cutting edge research is being done up there

"Without a solution to the crew availability problem, and other
limitations in facility access and operations, the ISS can never
achieve the status of a world-class research laboratory"
-National Research Council

Oh, don't get me wrong, good research is being done now, but we could be
doing much more. The research that is being conducted currently could be
done on a larger scale with more resources. The problem is that too many
people think that the research is "not very interesting" and don't want to
foot the bill.

[bombardmentforce]

Here's an example of where ISS leads us to research that is less
interesting to me than a better ISS would.

Zero G life science: We know we don't have adequate solutions to
healthy, long term zero g living. But we have know that for a long time
and will until some breakthough.

I'm interested in Martian and Lunar gravity life science, an ideal ISS
could do this research in a centrifuge. Our current ISS leads us to
repetitive, limited, expensive research.

[mgraves]

Post by bombardmentforce
Here's an example of where ISS leads us to research that is less
interesting to me than a better ISS would.
Zero G life science: We know we don't have adequate solutions to
healthy, long term zero g living. But we have know that for a long
time and will until some breakthough.

Which is exactly why we keep studying it.

Post by bombardmentforce
I'm interested in Martian and Lunar gravity life science, an ideal
ISS could do this research in a centrifuge. Our current ISS leads us
to repetitive, limited, expensive research.

Again, you seem to want to take a much larger step than we are ready to
make. All research in space is limited *because* it is expensive.
Priorities must be made and currently those priorities have to do with life
in microgravity. Perhaps in the future a manned trip to Mars or a Lunar
station may become more feasible. At that point, the sort of tests I assume
you are talking about will move up on the priority list, but only after we
have a good understanding of life in the space between Earth and "there".

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
Here's an example of where ISS leads us to research that is less
interesting to me than a better ISS would.
Zero G life science: We know we don't have adequate solutions to
healthy, long term zero g living. But we have know that for a long
time and will until some breakthough.

Which is exactly why we keep studying it.

NO! We have to study it to PREVENT accidentally CREATING a
breakthrough!!!

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
I'm interested in Martian and Lunar gravity life science, an ideal
ISS could do this research in a centrifuge. Our current ISS leads us
to repetitive, limited, expensive research.

Again, you seem to want to take a much larger step than we are ready to
make. All research in space is limited *because* it is expensive.

Look up how much money the government gives out to scientists every
year.

Now, multiply that number by three thousand five hundred forty two.

Now we're approaching how much it will cost to set up a permanent
Martian or Lunar research station, one that could concievably report
annual progress towards the kind of futurescience that doesn't exist
yet but you still want anyway.

And that's just to build it and lure a few scientists into living on
the moon or on Mars for years at a time. That's not even taking into
account the annual upkeep.

Post by mgraves
Priorities must be made and currently those priorities have to do with life
in microgravity.

And protecting life from the vacuum of space.

Post by mgraves
Perhaps in the future a manned trip to Mars or a Lunar station may become
more feasible.

It will be. Eventually. Fifty years.

Post by mgraves
At that point, the sort of tests I assume you are talking about will move up on
the priority list, but only after we have a good understanding of life in the space
between Earth and "there".

Yeah. A sea analogy fits here, too. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of
little things humanity had to think up and build to make boats. Even
when we did that, though, we didn't really have a fail-safe in case the
boats failed out in the open water.

Now, think about where we are, relatively, with space travel. We
thought of the fail-safes first. Now we're thinking of all the hundreds
of little things to make the spaceboats better.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce

cutting edge research is being done up there

"Without a solution to the crew availability problem, and other
limitations in facility access and operations, the ISS can never
achieve the status of a world-class research laboratory"
-National Research Council

Oh, don't get me wrong, good research is being done now, but we could be
doing much more. The research that is being conducted currently could be
done on a larger scale with more resources. The problem is that too many
people think that the research is "not very interesting" and don't want to
foot the bill.

People think the research is "not very interesting" because the
standards of education in the fields of science in America (who's
fielding most of the bill, proportionately) is so low.

Those who understand the implications of what's going on up there, and
aren't blinded by sci-fi ridiculousness, are actually interested,
though. I just wish the standard news media would report on it instead
of the Fake Political Scandal of the Week.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bombardmentforce

cutting edge research is being done up there

"Without a solution to the crew availability problem, and other
limitations in facility access and operations, the ISS can never
achieve the status of a world-class research laboratory"
-National Research Council

???

Duh. World-class research laboratories have dozens of staffers and
aides to the (often dozens of) research scientists. The ISS can field,
what? Eight people at a time? Now, that's balanced by the "we can do
experiments . . . in Zero G and the Vacuum Of Space!!!" but still. It's
gonna be slow-going for at least another ten years.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; and more realistically? Twenty.

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:28:52 -0600 - there
was this guy, or something, called "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
ISS is high tech.

The space station? Some really cutting edge research is being done up
there. ISS is high tech in every possible way.

Have they found out if ants can be trained to sort tiny screws in
space yet?





C&J

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:28:52 -0600 - there
was this guy, or something, called "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by bombardmentforce
ISS is high tech.

The space station? Some really cutting edge research is being done up
there. ISS is high tech in every possible way.

Have they found out if ants can be trained to sort tiny screws in
space yet?

No. Ants aren't allowed in space yet.

Blame PETA.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, 5 Feb 2006 01:52:11 -0800 - there was
this guy, or something, called "Aaron F. Bourque"

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by Chucky & Janica
Have they found out if ants can be trained to sort tiny screws in
space yet?

No. Ants aren't allowed in space yet.
Blame PETA.

We always do, right?



C&J

[Peter Wright]

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by Chucky & Janica
Have they found out if ants can be trained to sort tiny screws in
space yet?

No. Ants aren't allowed in space yet.
Blame PETA.

We always do, right?

....Hey!

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

Pete(r), glaring suspiciously at C&J.

PS. Removed stupid space and nuclear groups *sigh*.

[Penelope Periwinkle]

Post by Peter Wright

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Aaron F. Bourque

Post by Chucky & Janica
Have they found out if ants can be trained to sort tiny screws in
space yet?

No. Ants aren't allowed in space yet.
Blame PETA.

We always do, right?

....Hey!
Pete(r), glaring suspiciously at C&J.

You know, it actually took me a couple of reads to get this one.


I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.

Like...ya know?

Penelope

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:57:20 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.
Like...ya know?

How is Pointed anyway?








*smile*

C&J

[mgraves]

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:57:20 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.
Like...ya know?

How is Pointed anyway?

I think I just soiled myself.

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:53:25 +0200, Chucky & Janica

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.
Like...ya know?

How is Pointed anyway?

Bastard.


Penelope

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:30:08 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.
Like...ya know?

How is Pointed anyway?

Bastard.

*snicker*

As Herb says, I just can't help meddling.

*is a damn meddling kid*




C&J

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:39:20 +0200, Chucky & Janica

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
I blame spending 2 hours with a 13 year old, who told me of all
the angst in her life. My brain is numb.
Like...ya know?

How is Pointed anyway?

Bastard.

*snicker*
As Herb says, I just can't help meddling.

Yeah, but if you would just put this little bell on your collar
we could here you sneaking up.


Penelope

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
we could here you sneaking up.

Here...at The House of Stone and Love?

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:16:25 -0500, Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
we could here you sneaking up.

Here...at The House of Stone and Love?

phhhhhhhhhhtttt!

You spend all weekend with a 13 year-old who's singing some
Humpty Dumpty rap song when she's not nattering on about
Kevin-who's-15-and-not-like-some-dumb-young-guy and see how well
your brain is works.

I may have to stick an ice pick in my ear to get that damn song
out of my head. I've tried using a powerful counter-meme like
"George of the Jungle", but it's not working.


Penelope

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:16:25 -0500, Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
we could here you sneaking up.

Here...at The House of Stone and Love?

phhhhhhhhhhtttt!
You spend all weekend with a 13 year-old who's singing some
Humpty Dumpty rap song when she's not nattering on about
Kevin-who's-15-and-not-like-some-dumb-young-guy and see how well
your brain is works.
I may have to stick an ice pick in my ear to get that damn song
out of my head. I've tried using a powerful counter-meme like
"George of the Jungle", but it's not working.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I630212AC

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
Penelope

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Penelope Periwinkle]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:07:17 -0500, Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
we could here you sneaking up.

Here...at The House of Stone and Love?

phhhhhhhhhhtttt!
You spend all weekend with a 13 year-old who's singing some
Humpty Dumpty rap song when she's not nattering on about
Kevin-who's-15-and-not-like-some-dumb-young-guy and see how well
your brain is works.
I may have to stick an ice pick in my ear to get that damn song
out of my head. I've tried using a powerful counter-meme like
"George of the Jungle", but it's not working.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I630212AC

Not even close.


Penelope

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Penelope

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:07:17 -0500, Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Penelope Periwinkle

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
we could here you sneaking up.

Here...at The House of Stone and Love?

phhhhhhhhhhtttt!
You spend all weekend with a 13 year-old who's singing some
Humpty Dumpty rap song when she's not nattering on about
Kevin-who's-15-and-not-like-some-dumb-young-guy and see how well
your brain is works.
I may have to stick an ice pick in my ear to get that damn song
out of my head. I've tried using a powerful counter-meme like
"George of the Jungle", but it's not working.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I630212AC

Not even close.

This is indeed, a serious challenge...

*Dives into the Penelope Challenge*

http://www.lokys.net/ilya/Favs%20-%20I%20Am%20Canadian.mp3

http://www.lokys.net/ilya/Corky%20and%20the%20Juice%20Pigs%20-%20The%20Pandas%20Must%20Die.mp3

Post by Penelope Periwinkle
Penelope

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:52:33 GMT - there

Post by Peter Wright

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
No. Ants aren't allowed in space yet.
Blame PETA.

We always do, right?

....Hey!

*snicker*

Sorry.




*runs Pete over with a steamroller in a bit of semi-connected humour*

C&J

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by bombardmentforce

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Google in

Any group to see that Herb is an ignorant and rude Luddite who thinks
ISS is high tech.

Look! It's a dork, it's moron, it's an ignorant troll who wouldn't
know "high tech" from tinkertoys.



Don't let my engineering degree hit you on the ass on your way out.


<PLONK>

P.S. Someone remind me never to use time-limited killfiles on this
misanthropic child again please.

[bombardmentforce]

The boy just caint learn worth spit, every time his misconfigured toys
trouble him he screams like Uday eating the LAW.

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:25:45 -0500 - there
was this guy, or something, called Herb Schaltegger

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Don't let my engineering degree hit you on the ass on your way out.

Get lost, you pair of trolls, and stop polluting our newsgroup.




C&J

[Herb Schaltegger]

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:25:45 -0500 - there
was this guy, or something, called Herb Schaltegger

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Don't let my engineering degree hit you on the ass on your way out.

Get lost, you pair of trolls, and stop polluting our newsgroup.

You've done much worse and you haven't gotten rid of me yet.

Also, you do realize you sent that to sci.space.policy and
alt.war.nuclear, the denizens of which all agree that he's a whack-job.
(Followups set appropriately)

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

[bombardmentforce]

Herbie the hate bug babbled...

sci.space.policy and alt.war.nuclear, the denizens of which...

Don't have the guts to demonstrate their arguments.

http://spacebombardment.blogspot.com/2005/09/brave-sir-kelly-runs-away.html

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:46:24 -0500 - there
was this guy, or something, called Herb Schaltegger

Post by Herb Schaltegger
Also, you do realize you sent that to sci.space.policy and
alt.war.nuclear, the denizens of which all agree that he's a whack-job.
(Followups set appropriately)

Yes. Not much point telling crossposting trolls to go away without
sending it to their group.




C&J

[Michelle J. Haines]

Post by Peter Wright

Post by bruce
11) Michelle J. Haines ............................ : 12 1.7 2.1%

Yikes. Michelle's posting again. Run away!

thppppppppppt.

I'm cyclical. ;)

Michelle
Flutist

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:12:33 GMT - there

Post by Peter Wright

Post by bruce
1) Chucky & Janica ............................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ............................. : 79 11.3 13.9%

What was it last week? Ah yes, the Dark Lord and his Igor. Okay, this
week I think it'll be Zapp Brannigan and Kif.
"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they
stand, but with neutrals - who knows. It sickens me."
"Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could
have devised it."
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.

*realises who I'm talking to*

Oh wait. No, you won't agree.






C&J

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:12:33 GMT - there

Post by Peter Wright

Post by bruce
1) Chucky & Janica ............................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ............................. : 79 11.3 13.9%

What was it last week? Ah yes, the Dark Lord and his Igor. Okay, this
week I think it'll be Zapp Brannigan and Kif.
"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they
stand, but with neutrals - who knows. It sickens me."
"Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could
have devised it."
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Rumour has it 4 Futurama movies are coming our way.

Happy day.

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

Post by Ilya the Recusant
Rumour has it 4 Futurama movies are coming our way.

This is good news.




C&J

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.

It was a he.

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[mgraves]

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap.
Furthermore, I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like
Kif. If you've seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if
anything, it's the other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Now you're just repeating what you've overheard your ex-lovers saying.

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap.
Furthermore, I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like
Kif. If you've seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if
anything, it's the other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Now you're just repeating what you've overheard your ex-lovers saying.

I keep asking you this, but you never pick up your phone when I call.


Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[mgraves]

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap.
Furthermore, I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like
Kif. If you've seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if
anything, it's the other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Now you're just repeating what you've overheard your ex-lovers saying.

I keep asking you this, but you never pick up your phone when I call.

Don't want no more, of the crying game. Don't want no more.


mgraves

Now, I know you're a feminist, and I think that's adorable, but this is
grown-up time and I'm the man.-- Peter Griffin

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, "mgraves"

Post by mgraves

Post by Ilya the Recusant
In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:50 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Peter Wright
Heh. I need to add some of these to my sigquotes collection.

I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap.
Furthermore, I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like
Kif. If you've seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if
anything, it's the other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Now you're just repeating what you've overheard your ex-lovers saying.

I keep asking you this, but you never pick up your phone when I call.

Don't want no more, of the crying game. Don't want no more.

Then take this damn tissue, luv, and stop yer weepin.

Post by mgraves
mgraves
Now, I know you're a feminist, and I think that's adorable, but this is
grown-up time and I'm the man.-- Peter Griffin

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:40 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica
I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Aaron had the same problem in another thread, talking about Tywin and
Tysha and Tyrion. Hmm. Could there be a connection?

*loses interest before even beginning*




C&J

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:40 -0500 -
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by Ilya the Recusant

Post by Chucky & Janica
I object to the implication that I am anything like Zap. Furthermore,
I resent the implication that Ilya is anything like Kif. If you've
seen us conversing, you'll probably agree that if anything, it's the
other way around.
*realises who I'm talking to*
Oh wait. No, you won't agree.

She will when we destroy her army.

Pete is a male.

The she was an accident.
It was a he.

Aaron had the same problem in another thread, talking about Tywin and
Tysha and Tyrion. Hmm. Could there be a connection?
*loses interest before even beginning*

Not one I'm interested in exploring, no.

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya

[Aaron F. Bourque]

Post by bruce
Top 50 authors (#1: reg. Linux user, #2: total mesgs, #3: mesgs/day, #4: share)
===============================================================================
1) Chucky & Janica ......................................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ....................................... : 79 11.3 13.9%
3) Penelope Periwinkle ..................................... : 64 9.1 11.3%
4) Herb Schaltegger ........................................ : 50 7.1 8.8%
5) Aaron ................................................... : 37 5.3 6.5%
6) Peter Wright ............................................ : 29 4.1 5.1%
7) Laurence ................................................ : 28 4.0 4.9%
8) Aaron F. Bourque ........................................ : 23 3.3 4.1%

See what happens when you don't appreciate me???????!!!??

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

[mgraves]

Post by Aaron F. Bourque
See what happens when you don't appreciate me???????!!!??

8th place? Hah!!! What a loser. Now, where did I end up placing...Achtung
Liben!!!!

8th place is really quite good. I mean, hey, you're in the top ten. Right?

[Chucky & Janica]

Once upon a time - for example, 3 Feb 2006 17:56:05 +0100 - there was

Post by bruce
Top 50 threads (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=============================================================
1) The 3 heads of the dragon... .............................: 312 44.6 55.0%

This is a silly thread full of silly people.

Post by bruce
Top 50 authors (#1: reg. Linux user, #2: total mesgs, #3: mesgs/day, #4: share)
===============================================================================
1) Chucky & Janica ......................................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ....................................... : 79 11.3 13.9%

You babbling schmooze.





C&J

[Ilya the Recusant]

In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &

Post by Chucky & Janica
Once upon a time - for example, 3 Feb 2006 17:56:05 +0100 - there was

Post by bruce
Top 50 threads (#1: total messages, #2: mesgs/day, #3: share)
=============================================================
1) The 3 heads of the dragon... .............................: 312 44.6 55.0%

This is a silly thread full of silly people.

Indeed.

Post by Chucky & Janica

Post by bruce
Top 50 authors (#1: reg. Linux user, #2: total mesgs, #3: mesgs/day, #4: share)
===============================================================================
1) Chucky & Janica ......................................... : 108 15.4 19.0%
2) Ilya the Recusant ....................................... : 79 11.3 13.9%

You babbling schmooze.

What, you? I wouldn't dare argue.

Post by Chucky & Janica
C&J

Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
"Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
- C&J
----
www.livejournal.com/users/ohilya