The newcomer to Linux

[Tony(UK)]

No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.

I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have begun
my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games.
I like integration (Kontact, Evolution)
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I could
use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly believe that
there are a large number of people just waiting for *the one* for them,
too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

[chrisv]

Post by Tony(UK)
The one!

Try PCLinuxOS.

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have begun
my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games.
I like integration (Kontact, Evolution)
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I could
use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly believe that
there are a large number of people just waiting for *the one* for them,
too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

PCLinuxOS might be what you are looking for.

[7]

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.

Why?

Post by Tony(UK)
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly,

So you don't have a real reason.

Post by Tony(UK)
but somehow isn't
quite *there*.

Thats you.

Post by Tony(UK)
I cannot see the point of forks,

So why mention it?

Post by Tony(UK)
e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.

Sez who?

Post by Tony(UK)
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution.

Is there such a thing? Can you prove your assertions and assumptions?

Post by Tony(UK)
I haven't found it yet.

There you go. The hard facts of life have come back to haunt you.

Post by Tony(UK)
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.

Why?

Post by Tony(UK)
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.

Why?

Post by Tony(UK)
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games.

Sad for a male to be not playing games. Try Nexuiz?

Post by Tony(UK)
I like integration (Kontact, Evolution)
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz

Thats sad. Everyone seeing mine can't get over it. They recommend
it should be the company standard.

Post by Tony(UK)
or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

Whats that?

Post by Tony(UK)
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.

Define productivity. I don't see how you can ever become
productive without defining productivity.

Post by Tony(UK)
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I could
use,

Here try all of them http://www.livecdlist.com

Post by Tony(UK)
just in case I've missed *The one* (for me),

Why? Are you special in some kind of way that you can't look for yourself
and must be told by others?

Post by Tony(UK)
and I truly believe that
there are a large number of people just waiting for *the one* for them,
too.

Dream on! Spliffing can make you believe all kinds of things.

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves.

Uh oh! We are now slipping into flat cake talk.
Are you flat as a pancake?

Post by Tony(UK)
So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

If you are not flat cake then are you some kind of skate?

[NG]

7 wrote:

<snipped>

What is wrong with this person? They need to put this person away. This
person must have a low self esteem problem to be attacking people like this.

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by NG
<snipped>
What is wrong with this person? They need to put this person away. This
person must have a low self esteem problem to be attacking people like this.

Most people have declared 7 to be brain dead.

All but [Homer] , Roy Schestowitz and Mark Kent that is.

According to [Homer]'s weekly bogus statistics program, 7 is a 'quality'
poster.

Now that is a laugh!

[chrisv]

Post by 7

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves.

Uh oh! We are now slipping into flat cake talk.
Are you flat as a pancake?

Post by Tony(UK)
So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

If you are not flat cake then are you some kind of skate?

You're right. I didn't read the entire thing at first. An obvious
troll.

[NG]

Post by chrisv

Post by 7

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves.

Uh oh! We are now slipping into flat cake talk.
Are you flat as a pancake?

Post by Tony(UK)
So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

If you are not flat cake then are you some kind of skate?

You're right. I didn't read the entire thing at first. An obvious
troll.

And you're not one, a troll that is? I have seen you in action in other
NG(s).

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by NG

Post by chrisv

Post by 7

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves.

Uh oh! We are now slipping into flat cake talk.
Are you flat as a pancake?

Post by Tony(UK)
So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

If you are not flat cake then are you some kind of skate?

You're right. I didn't read the entire thing at first. An obvious
troll.

And you're not one, a troll that is? I have seen you in action in other
NG(s).

Chrisv is a skitz..
He posts messages and then claims people are forging him.

[NG]

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by NG

Post by chrisv

Post by 7

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves.

Uh oh! We are now slipping into flat cake talk.
Are you flat as a pancake?

Post by Tony(UK)
So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

If you are not flat cake then are you some kind of skate?

You're right. I didn't read the entire thing at first. An obvious
troll.

And you're not one, a troll that is? I have seen you in action in other
NG(s).

Chrisv is a skitz..
He posts messages and then claims people are forging him.

Yes, he attacks people most of the time by going through someone else,
and he runs around issuing plonks. He is strange, and he has no balls
whatsoever.

[Rick]

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I would
like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do not
need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support. I need
stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

[Snit]

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I would
like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do not
need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support. I need
stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)

It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done better
and that appeals to some people.

[Rick]

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow
isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc.,
and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting
amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

[Snit]

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow
isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc.,
and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting
amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little
pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think others
think - you cannot show any thought of your own.

Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow
isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc.,
and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting
amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have
begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little
pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think others
think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

To be honest I didn't have the problems with PCLinuxOS that you did snit.
Maybe I didn't observe the dialog boxes that closely, but I don't remember
anything abnormal happening the last time I installed it.

I've had plenty of problems with Ubuntu though which is why I prefer
PCLinuxOS.

[Snit]

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit
I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little
pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think others
think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

To be honest I didn't have the problems with PCLinuxOS that you did snit.
Maybe I didn't observe the dialog boxes that closely, but I don't remember
anything abnormal happening the last time I installed it.

Most people have no idea how much the UI effects them.

Post by Moshe Goldfarb
I've had plenty of problems with Ubuntu though which is why I prefer
PCLinuxOS.

I used to do usability testing for internal products at Intuit... we used to
either watch or remotely "watch" as people did work... inconsistent and
poorly designed dialogs lead to significant slow downs and errors ... though
only very rarely did the user understand or perceive this. Hot keys are
another area where consistency is a big benefit - I know that in almost any
program I am in I can use the same hot keys to close windows, quite
programs, switch to different windows in the same program, etc. Same with
menus... I know in OS X where the preferences will be located in,
essentially, all software.

It amazes me how often people underestimate how important these things are
to a productive computing environment... and how much they focus on things
which are, generally, far less important such as benchmarks.

[7]

Micoshaft Fraudster and Asstrotufer Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf of

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but
somehow isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g.
Mint etc., and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or
are fighting amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I
have begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all
you clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give
us newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little
pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think
others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

To be honest I didn't have the problems with PCLinuxOS that you did snit.
Maybe I didn't observe the dialog boxes that closely, but I don't remember
anything abnormal happening the last time I installed it.
I've had plenty of problems with Ubuntu though which is why I prefer
PCLinuxOS.

Which I why I think PCLinuxOS is going over to the dark side soon.

Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot
more machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted
together by asstroturfers to cover up something?

[Kier]

Post by 7
Which I why I think PCLinuxOS is going over to the dark side soon.

??? What on Earth are you talking about?

Post by 7
Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot
more machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted
together by asstroturfers to cover up something?

Explain this nonsense.

[Hadron]

Post by Kier

Post by 7
Which I why I think PCLinuxOS is going over to the dark side soon.

??? What on Earth are you talking about?

Post by 7
Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot
more machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted
together by asstroturfers to cover up something?

Explain this nonsense.

Can anyone find the last post from Kier where he realistically advocated
anything? All his posts are little net nanny gasps and groans and
demands for explanations.

Did Roy put him in charge or something?

[Kier]

Post by Hadron

Post by Kier

Post by 7
Which I why I think PCLinuxOS is going over to the dark side soon.

??? What on Earth are you talking about?

Post by 7
Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot
more machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted
together by asstroturfers to cover up something?

Explain this nonsense.

Can anyone find the last post from Kier where he realistically advocated
anything? All his posts are little net nanny gasps and groans and
demands for explanations.

You are a fucking liar, Hadron. I was advocating in this group before you
even started poking your oar in, you whining twit.

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Who put *you* in charge, idiot?

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only Roy
Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

[Kier]

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only Roy
Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

No one is 'in charge here'.

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only Roy
Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

No one is 'in charge here'.

Maybe not officially, but in some peoples minds, they are in charge.

[Kier]

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only Roy
Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

No one is 'in charge here'.

Maybe not officially, but in some peoples minds, they are in charge.

If so, they are wrong. No one is in charge here.

[Hadron]

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only Roy
Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

No one is 'in charge here'.

Maybe not officially, but in some peoples minds, they are in charge.

If so, they are wrong. No one is in charge here.

Who says? Who put YOU in charge?

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by Hadron

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Hadron
Did Roy put him in charge or something?

Schestowitz doesn't put *anyone* in charge of anything because only
Roy Schestowitz can do the job correctly.
Everyone else is beneath him.

No one is 'in charge here'.

Maybe not officially, but in some peoples minds, they are in charge.

If so, they are wrong. No one is in charge here.

Who says? Who put YOU in charge?

Nobody. He himself has said that "no one is in charge" here

Your usual reading comprehension problem showing up again, "true linux
advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by 7
Micoshaft Fraudster and Asstrotufer Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf of

Post by Moshe Goldfarb

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but
somehow isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g.
Mint etc., and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or
are fighting amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I
have begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn,
but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I
could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly
believe that there are a large number of people just waiting for *the
one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all
you clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give
us newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little
pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think
others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

To be honest I didn't have the problems with PCLinuxOS that you did snit.
Maybe I didn't observe the dialog boxes that closely, but I don't remember
anything abnormal happening the last time I installed it.
I've had plenty of problems with Ubuntu though which is why I prefer
PCLinuxOS.

Which I why I think PCLinuxOS is going over to the dark side soon.
Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot
more machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted
together by asstroturfers to cover up something?

Not at all.
Like I said, I call them as I see them and PCLinuxOS is a good one.
So is Ubuntu, just not for me.

[Kier]

Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Like I said, I call them as I see them and PCLinuxOS is a good one.
So is Ubuntu, just not for me.

Have you tried the new GNOME version of PCLinuxOS? It's not bad at all.
Goes well on my old Compaq slap.

[Moshe Goldfarb]

Post by Kier

Post by Moshe Goldfarb
Like I said, I call them as I see them and PCLinuxOS is a good one.
So is Ubuntu, just not for me.

Have you tried the new GNOME version of PCLinuxOS? It's not bad at all.
Goes well on my old Compaq slap.

No I haven't.
I'll give it a try later.
I'm not a big gnome fan though.

[Rick]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:53:57 +0000, 7 wrote:

(snip)

Personally, I have found it more easy to get Ubuntu on a lot more
machines. So something about PCLinuxOS is a lie all knitted together by
asstroturfers to cover up something?

I am not an astroturfer, and I find PCLOS easy to use and install.

[Rick]

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but
somehow isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g.
Mint etc., and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or
are fighting amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I
have begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to
learn, but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as
possible. With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA
suggest I could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me),
and I truly believe that there are a large number of people just
waiting for *the one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all
you clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to
give us newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

... as far as what I think of PCLOS... I switched to it from Suse. My
experiences with Ubuntu have convinced me I made a good decisions.

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

The overwhelming majority of those people don't know what Linux is.

Post by Snit
Do you think they are better?

Well... I did switch to Linux **from** OS X.

[Snit]

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of
it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but
somehow isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g.
Mint etc., and find that most distro websites do not fully work, or
are fighting amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it
yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought
two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and
waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I
have begun my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games. I like integration
(Kontact, Evolution) I would like media supported out of the box I
would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but
do not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community
support. I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to
learn, but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as
possible. With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA
suggest I could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me),
and I truly believe that there are a large number of people just
waiting for *the one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all
you clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to
give us newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

Again or still?

Post by Rick
... as far as what I think of PCLOS... I switched to it from Suse. My
experiences with Ubuntu have convinced me I made a good decisions.

Is anyone trying to get you to change your mind? Not that I know of... you
are showing signs of paranoia.

Post by Rick

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

The overwhelming majority of those people don't know what Linux is.

Yup.

Post by Rick

Post by Snit
Do you think they are better?

Well... I did switch to Linux **from** OS X.

So?

[Rick]

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of
Linux feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired
of it. Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but
somehow isn't quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g.
Mint etc., and find that most distro websites do not fully work,
or are fighting amongst themselves.
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found
it yet. I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually
bought two, but I suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping
and waiting for *the one*.
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I
have begun my search for alternatives. I like both Gnome and KDE
and do not play games. I like integration (Kontact, Evolution) I
would like media supported out of the box I would like out of the
box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do not need Compiz
or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support. I need
stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to
learn, but need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as
possible. With all this in mind, what would the good people in
COLA suggest I could use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for
me), and I truly believe that there are a large number of people
just waiting for *the one* for them, too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all
you clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to
give us newcomers what we desperately need. The one!

Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

Again or still?

... and you realy ae that stupid.

I am telling you, AGAIN, that it gets great reviews and is still #1 on
distrowatch.

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
... as far as what I think of PCLOS... I switched to it from Suse. My
experiences with Ubuntu have convinced me I made a good decisions.

Is anyone trying to get you to change your mind? Not that I know of...
you are showing signs of paranoia.

You seem to be trying very hard. However I was answering your:"all you
can do is point to what you think others think - you cannot show any
thought of your own."

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

The overwhelming majority of those people don't know what Linux is.

Yup.

Post by Rick

Post by Snit
Do you think they are better?

Well... I did switch to Linux **from** OS X.

So?

Do you seem to think I switched to Linux because I thought it was worse?

[Snit]

Post by Rick
I am telling you, AGAIN, that it gets great reviews and is still #1 on
distrowatch.

Sure - it is clear your depth of analysis cannot go deeper than looking at
what you think others believe. OK. Not sure why you hold that up as a
point you are proud of.

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
... as far as what I think of PCLOS... I switched to it from Suse. My
experiences with Ubuntu have convinced me I made a good decisions.

Is anyone trying to get you to change your mind? Not that I know of...
you are showing signs of paranoia.

You seem to be trying very hard.

Nope. I do not care what OS you use... where did you get your contrary and
mistaken idea?

Post by Rick
However I was answering your:"all you can do is point to what you think others
think - you cannot show any thought of your own."

Which is very much true... you show very little thought of your own when you
point to what you think is others *opinions* and cannot state why you hold
an opinion other than that.

...

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Well... I did switch to Linux **from** OS X.

So?

Do you seem to think I switched to Linux because I thought it was worse?

Do I seem to think that? Um, no. Can't you figure these things out for
yourself?

If you think Linux is better then explain why... try to do some actual, you
know, advocacy for Linux.

I know I do... why can't you?

[Thufir]

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?


-Thufir

[Snit]

Post by Thufir

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your little pet
distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you think others think
- you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros of
Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are better?

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Er? Did you read what you responded to? I did add back some of the context
you snipped - hopefully that will encourage you to become honest.

[Rick]

Post by Snit

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are
better?

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Er? Did you read what you responded to? I did add back some of the
context you snipped - hopefully that will encourage you to become
honest.

I see. It is OK for you to snip context related lines, but not for
others. OK.

[Snit]

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction. :)
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are
better?

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Er? Did you read what you responded to? I did add back some of the
context you snipped - hopefully that will encourage you to become
honest.

I see. It is OK for you to snip context related lines, but not for
others. OK.

You also might see Elvis dancing in your living room, but what you
hallucinate about is irrelevant to the topic!

[Thufir]

Post by Rick
I see. It is OK for you to snip context related lines, but not for
others. OK.

He's not snipping posts, he's fucking "correcting" them, ie: forgery.


-Thufir

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by Thufir

Post by Rick
I see. It is OK for you to snip context related lines, but not for
others. OK.

He's not snipping posts, he's fucking "correcting" them, ie: forgery.

When he does not do *that*, he creativly snips, all the while whining
how "dishonest snipping" took place.
Then he continues to place words in peoples mouth they never said and
repeatedly told him what they said, Snot ignoring all that.
After that he starts to insert irrelevant crap "from recent posts" or
inserts doctored (by himself) evidence
He has done that same routine for years, and he is the most hated troll in
Mac groups for that. He is living dishonesty, nobody else is so
outraguoulsy dishonest like Snot Michael Glasser

For that reason, it is best to completely killfile that asshole, to a level
where you don't even see that he has posted at all

Naturally the resident filth like flatfish or Hadron Quark will quote
(preferrably all of it) his bullshit and support his cretinous view.
Because he is a fellow troll, and they make his garbage visible again that
way

[Snit]

Post by Peter Köhlmann

Post by Thufir

Post by Rick
I see. It is OK for you to snip context related lines, but not for
others. OK.

He's not snipping posts, he's fucking "correcting" them, ie: forgery.

When he does not do *that*, he creativly snips, all the while whining
how "dishonest snipping" took place.

And all this time you denied reading my posts. Funny, eh, how you think you
can comment on them. Hmmm, you have just been caught lying.

...

[Thufir]

Post by Snit

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction.
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are
better?

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Er? Did you read what you responded to? I did add back some of the
context you snipped - hopefully that will encourage you to become
honest.

Snot, you're a fucking idiot. Do see the part above, where I quoted you
stating:

"Thufir" <***@gmail.com> stated in post i9crj.9170
$***@pd7urf2no on 2/8/08 11:57 PM

then you proceed to misquote me? When you *change* what I wrote, when
you *put* words into my posts, thats a form of forgery, you fuck.

If you want to reply to a post, go ahead, but don't fucking alter quoted
text -- meaning "fixing" what I quoted.

You're totally dishonest. If you think that I quoted you out of context,
fine, bitch about it. Don't fucking alter my posts and claim that I
wrote stuff *which I never wrote*.

Yes, yes, you're going to claim, "well, I was just fixing your snip of
what I wrote," but, what you actually did was to state that I wrote
something which I didn't. Blah, blah, blah.

Selectively quoting is *entirely* different from altering posts. You've
repeatedly altered posts.


-Thufir

[RonB]

Selectively quoting is entirely different from altering posts.  You've
repeatedly altered posts.

Snit is a troll. Even if he doesn't alter the words in your post, he
consistently alters the *meaning* of what of what you write. That's his
stock and troll trade.

Use the killfile.

[William Poaster]

Post by RonB

Selectively quoting is entirely different from altering posts.  You've
repeatedly altered posts.

Snit is a troll. Even if he doesn't alter the words in your post, he
consistently alters the *meaning* of what of what you write. That's his
stock and troll trade.

Hadron Quack does the same thing, & even makes things up about what people
supposedly said.

Post by RonB
Use the killfile.

[Snit]

Post by William Poaster

Post by RonB

Selectively quoting is entirely different from altering posts.  You've
repeatedly altered posts.

Snit is a troll. Even if he doesn't alter the words in your post, he
consistently alters the *meaning* of what of what you write. That's his
stock and troll trade.

Hadron Quack does the same thing, & even makes things up about what people
supposedly said.

Post by RonB
Use the killfile.

The irony here is that it was Thufir who dishonestly snipped to make it look
like I said something I did not... and then he freaked out when I returned
context.

Thurfir did *exactly* what he and RonB are accusing me of... and cannot find
an example of me actually doing as they say. In other words the trolls are
making up stories about me because they are mad I point out their BS.

Same old, same old...

[Snit]

Post by RonB

Selectively quoting is entirely different from altering posts.  You've
repeatedly altered posts.

Snit is a troll. Even if he doesn't alter the words in your post, he
consistently alters the *meaning* of what of what you write. That's his
stock and troll trade.
Use the killfile.

Thufir dishonesty snipped and I returned the context. He then freaked out.

Oh well... I do not expect the trolls to react with a smile when their lies
are being pointed out.

[Snit]

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit

Post by Rick

Post by Snit

Post by Rick
Try PCLinux OS.

I would love to hear the reaction.
It is, of course, a *lot* more pretty... so superficially it is done
better and that appeals to some people.

And AGAIN, it gets great reviews and is #1 on distrowatch... still.

You keep saying that as though you thought you were defending your
little pet distro. Odd. Sad how all you can do is point to what you
think others think - you cannot show any thought of your own.
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop. Do you think they are
better?

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Er? Did you read what you responded to? I did add back some of the
context you snipped - hopefully that will encourage you to become
honest.

...

Post by Thufir
then you proceed to misquote me? When you *change* what I wrote, when
you *put* words into my posts, thats a form of forgery, you fuck.

There is nothing wrong with returned the context when you dishonestly snip
it.

Post by Thufir
If you want to reply to a post, go ahead, but don't fucking alter quoted
text -- meaning "fixing" what I quoted.

Stop dishonestly snipping and there will be no need to return the context
you dishonestly snip.

Post by Thufir
You're totally dishonest. If you think that I quoted you out of context,
fine, bitch about it. Don't fucking alter my posts and claim that I
wrote stuff *which I never wrote*.
Yes, yes, you're going to claim, "well, I was just fixing your snip of
something which I didn't. Blah, blah, blah.
Selectively quoting is *entirely* different from altering posts. You've
repeatedly altered posts.

You lied. I busted you. You freaked out. End of story.

[Hadron]

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Telling the truth is NOT advocating. When will yo realize that? It is
facing up to reality. Because people prefer Windows doesnt mean it has
to stay that way - advocate man, dont prevaricate.

[Peter Köhlmann]

Post by Hadron

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Telling the truth is NOT advocating.

In other words, you need to lie to "advocate". Well, that explains
your "true linux advocacy" to the point

Apart from the fact that Snot has yet to tell his very first truth

[Snit]

Post by Hadron

Post by Thufir

Post by Snit
Heck, clearly more people prefer Windows or even OS X to *all* distros
of Linux combined, at least for the desktop.

Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Telling the truth is NOT advocating. When will yo realize that? It is
facing up to reality. Because people prefer Windows doesnt mean it has
to stay that way - advocate man, dont prevaricate.

Well, if I were to avoid the topic of Linux (as, say, Rick does) and focus
on the benefits of another OS, even if not on topic, that would not be
right.

But I do not do that... and if I did Thurfir would not have the need to snip
all context as he did.

To be clear: he is lying.

[Thufir]

Post by Hadron

Post by Thufir
Would you fucking stop advocating Mac's in cola?

Telling the truth is NOT advocating. When will yo realize that? It is
facing up to reality. Because people prefer Windows doesnt mean it has
to stay that way - advocate man, dont prevaricate.

His whole purpose is to give a backhanded compliment to Linux as he
advocates macs -- which is what mac advocacy groups are for.


-Thufir

[Linonut]

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.

Easily said. In fact, often the prelude to a troll.

Post by Tony(UK)
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*. I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.

Yeah, right.

Post by Tony(UK)
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.

That's because there is /no/ perfect distribution. Nor can there be.
Everyone has different wants and needs. Only by chance can there be a
match.

If you want perfection in Linux, you have to tailor it yourself.

If you want perfection in Windows, you have to tailor it yourself.

Post by Tony(UK)
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.

That is not a wise approach, at all.

Post by Tony(UK)
I would like media supported out of the box

As Rick said, check PCOSLinux. Otherwise, do a little searching for
codecs. Ubuntu, from what I hear, makes it easy. Even Debian makes it
fairly easy.

Post by Tony(UK)
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.

Tell that to Nvidious. In the meantime, you can install your kernel
sources from Ubuntus repos, download the Nvidia driver, and build it.
Maybe Ubuntu even supports Nvidia builds directly; I'm pretty sure
Debian does, but I prefer to control it myself.

Post by Tony(UK)
I need stability.

You got it.

Post by Tony(UK)
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.

Hell, any distro will work for that.

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

No such animal.

Windows is the closest thing there is to "the one", but luckily we
avoided being stuck with only that restrictive system.

[Erik Jan]

Post by Tony(UK)
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

Dear Tony,

welcome in the Linux world. You might try Mandriva Linux. This is what I
use (I love it and am happy not to need Windows anymore), and
financially support it, because of its polite, friendly and helpful forums.

http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome

Good luck

Erik Jan

[NG]

Post by Erik Jan

Post by Tony(UK)
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

Dear Tony,
welcome in the Linux world. You might try Mandriva Linux. This is what I
use (I love it and am happy not to need Windows anymore), and
financially support it, because of its polite, friendly and helpful forums.
http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Good luck

This place and other Linux NG(s)/forums are no bed of roses. If you
think that they are that, then you are just kidding your, and you are a
total moron.

[Handover Phist]

Post by NG

Post by Erik Jan

Post by Tony(UK)
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

Dear Tony,
welcome in the Linux world. You might try Mandriva Linux. This is what I
use (I love it and am happy not to need Windows anymore), and
financially support it, because of its polite, friendly and helpful forums.
http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Good luck

This place and other Linux NG(s)/forums are no bed of roses. If you
think that they are that, then you are just kidding your, and you are a
total moron.

That approach is a bit harsh. I'd second Mandriva as I cut my teeth on
Mandrake (Mandriva's predecessor) back aways. Had a fairly difficult but
very rewarding time in alt.os.linux.mandrake learning the ropes.

[[H]omer]

I am not afraid to learn, but need to use one distro

Then pick one, and learn how to use it.

Ububtu is one of the most noob-friendly distros out there. You claim it
"isn't there yet", but you fail to say why.

You also say you want "out the box" support for a range of things, many
of which aren't even supported "out the box" by Windows. For example,
support for media codecs beyond Microsoft's limited choices, and proper
hardware accelerated drivers for graphics. I think you have become far
too obsessed by this "out the box" idea, since satisfying whatever needs
you have /post-install/ is a trivial matter (repos) ... /far/ easier
than the duck-hunt equivalent experience on Windows ... not to mention
far less expensive.

Regardless, most GNU/Linux distros offer "out the box" support for a
range of things that would take a considerable amount of time and money
to achieve under Windows (office, image editing, etc.). Any one of the
major distros should suffice.

If you are expecting to find a GNU/Linux distro that requires absolutely
no effort on your part, that expectation is as unrealistic as expecting
to use Windows with absolutely no effort either. As someone who has used
Windows for years, I hope you'll be honest enough to agree with me that
it is /far/ from easy, battling with Windows' seemingly endless array of
issues, especially when finding resolutions to proprietary software
problems is largely a matter of guesswork for anyone other than the
developers of that closed source software. Peer support for such
software is a case of the blind leading the blind.

If you're looking for recommendations, then I recommend Fedora ... not
because it's /better/, but simply because it's what I use and know.

Whichever distro you choose, your next course of action should be to
join the support group for that distro, indeed there are normally many
such resources per distro, and many more per application. Some such
resources are more agnostic, tailored to those who either know GNU/Linux
well enough that the distinction between one distro and another is
negligible, or for those, such as yourself, who may be swaying between
several distros.

I suggest that such forums are where you should continue this conversation.
--
K.
http://slated.org

.----
| "There would be in the license, a caveat which forbids publishing a
| distro until it has been approved by an OSS committee." ~ Comrade
| Hardon Quirk, communist party member.
`----

Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.23.8-63.fc8
00:12:20 up 49 days, 21:48, 5 users, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.02

[Moshe Goldfarb]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:12:34 +0000, [H]omer wrote:

When are you going to release the source code to your weekly
comp.os.linux.advocacy statistics program [Homer] ?

You expect others to do it.

Why don't you follow your own advice?

[Homer] = [Hypocrite] != Linux Advocate.

[Snit]

Post by [H]omer

I am not afraid to learn, but need to use one distro

Then pick one, and learn how to use it.
Ububtu is one of the most noob-friendly distros out there. You claim it
"isn't there yet", but you fail to say why.

I, too, would like to hear the reasoning. I have mentioned some: its
amazingly ugly UI, its inconsistent menus, etc. Overall, though, it is one
of the better distros... even with its warts.

[Snit]

Post by Tony(UK)
No trolling, no ego, no axe to grid.
Hi, This is a perspective on maybe how a newcomer to the world of Linux
feels. (This newcomer is me).

Good to hear.

Post by Tony(UK)
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.

Curious what company you bought it from - I have been told in COLA that MS
prevents OEMs from selling Linux.

Post by Tony(UK)
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*.

Blind sea monkeys could - and perhaps have - designed better looks than what
Ubuntu has by default, but overall Ubuntu has a decent selection of software
and a greater focus on consistency and usability than any other distro I
know of. Certainly more than PCLOS.

Post by Tony(UK)
I cannot see the point of forks, e.g. Mint etc., and find
that most distro websites do not fully work, or are fighting amongst
themselves.

Very much true...

Post by Tony(UK)
So, the hunt was on for my perfect distribution. I haven't found it yet.
I have tried most mainstream distros and have actually bought two, but I
suspect I will have to just keep looking, hoping and waiting for *the one*.

This is called the "Distro Dance". A bit fun at first but it never ends.

Post by Tony(UK)
I dislike Windows with a passion for many reasons, which is why I have begun
my search for alternatives.
I like both Gnome and KDE and do not play games.
I like integration (Kontact, Evolution)
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.
With all this in mind, what would the good people in COLA suggest I could
use, just in case I've missed *The one* (for me), and I truly believe that
there are a large number of people just waiting for *the one* for them,
too.
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

What were your problems with Ubuntu... it is one of the better distros...
though you might want to skin it.

[ml2mst]

Tony(UK) wrote:

[snip]

Post by Tony(UK)
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*.
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

This is a contradiction, if you want all this proprietary stuff to work
out of the box, the "Mint fork" is exactly what you're looking for.

Post by Tony(UK)
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.

In this case again Mint comes into mind,because there is great
documentation in PDF format on their website.


[snipped the rest]

[Hadron]

Post by ml2mst
[snip]

Post by Tony(UK)
I bought a new tower with Ubuntu pre-installed, but quickly tired of it.
Ubuntu works quite well, and is quite newbie-friendly, but somehow isn't
quite *there*.
I would like media supported out of the box
I would like out of the box support for my graphics card (Nvidia), but do
not need Compiz or Wow, just impressive, friendly community support.
I need stability.

This is a contradiction, if you want all this proprietary stuff to work
out of the box, the "Mint fork" is exactly what you're looking for.

Post by Tony(UK)
I do not want a Mac. I do not want Windows. I am not afraid to learn, but
need to use one distro, and be productive as quickly as possible.

In this case again Mint comes into mind,because there is great
documentation in PDF format on their website.

LOL. Seriously, you couldn't make this up.

[RonB]

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

There isn't a "one." Either stick with the distribution you have, learn
enough to customize it to taste, or do a lot downloading and choose your
favorite distribution. That's what I did -- then settled with SuSE 10.3.
But there's a ton of reasons why others like other distributions better.
And I may even choose another distribution for a different use -- or a
different computer. Think choice -- think freedom. No reason to put your
brain in neutral and let someone else do your thinking for you.

[Snit]

Post by RonB

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

There isn't a "one." Either stick with the distribution you have, learn
enough to customize it to taste, or do a lot downloading and choose your
favorite distribution. That's what I did -- then settled with SuSE 10.3.
But there's a ton of reasons why others like other distributions better.
And I may even choose another distribution for a different use -- or a
different computer. Think choice -- think freedom. No reason to put your
brain in neutral and let someone else do your thinking for you.

Some folks just want to use the computer as a tool and not have to dance the
dance.

[Hadron]

Post by RonB

Post by Tony(UK)
When it comes, users will flock to Linux in droves. So please, all you
clever people, listen, don't fight, except for the cause: to give us
newcomers what we desperately need.
The one!

There isn't a "one." Either stick with the distribution you have, learn
enough to customize it to taste, or do a lot downloading and choose your
favorite distribution. That's what I did -- then settled with SuSE 10.3.
But there's a ton of reasons why others like other distributions better.
And I may even choose another distribution for a different use -- or a

What "different use" would another distro be better for than you using
your existing knowledge to customise the one you know well?

Post by RonB
different computer. Think choice -- think freedom. No reason to put your
brain in neutral and let someone else do your thinking for you.

[RonB]

Post by Hadron
What "different use" would another distro be better for than you using
your existing knowledge to customise the one you know well?

Using Asterisk for one. Trixbox defaults to CentOS for a reason. Not a
desktop environment, you see. As if you had any honest reason to ask the
question, troll.

[Hadron]

Post by RonB

Post by Hadron
What "different use" would another distro be better for than you using
your existing knowledge to customise the one you know well?

Using Asterisk for one. Trixbox defaults to CentOS for a reason. Not a
desktop environment, you see. As if you had any honest reason to ask the
question, troll.

There's no desktop on my mailserver. A debian mailserver. Next RonB?