Signal from the future?

[Martha Adams]

Seeing today's news, I think the future may be talking to us.
It's been two years or more since news surfaced that *all* of
the world's top-500 supercomputers were running Linux. Now
GitHub and Red Hat have passed into the hands of Giant Money
(and I anticipate complications around rights to follow
shortly). I think the future sends us messages about what it
is going to be; and such messages are standing out now for
everyone to see. ...Now what? ??

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Mon 2018 Oct 29]

[Joe Rosevear]

Post by Martha Adams
Seeing today's news, I think the future may be talking to us.
It's been two years or more since news surfaced that *all* of
the world's top-500 supercomputers were running Linux. Now
GitHub and Red Hat have passed into the hands of Giant Money
(and I anticipate complications around rights to follow
shortly). I think the future sends us messages about what it
is going to be; and such messages are standing out now for
everyone to see. ...Now what? ??
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Mon 2018 Oct 29]

Right. I wonder what it means. Is this a case of "Render unto Caesar
the things that are Caesar's"? Or the Tao of Programming parable that
begins "In the east there is a shark that is larger than all the other
fish."?

Still it makes me uneasy.

-Joe

[jrg]

Post by Joe Rosevear

Post by Martha Adams
Seeing today's news, I think the future may be talking to us.
It's been two years or more since news surfaced that *all* of
the world's top-500 supercomputers were running Linux. Now
GitHub and Red Hat have passed into the hands of Giant Money
(and I anticipate complications around rights to follow
shortly). I think the future sends us messages about what it
is going to be; and such messages are standing out now for
everyone to see. ...Now what? ??
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Mon 2018 Oct 29]

Right. I wonder what it means. Is this a case of "Render unto Caesar
the things that are Caesar's"? Or the Tao of Programming parable that
begins "In the east there is a shark that is larger than all the other
fish."?
Still it makes me uneasy.

Whatever that is, it will not come around in any of our lifetimes so try
and look at the here and now. There are bigger things to be concerned
about in the world today than the ramblings of some nihilist that goes
to the trouble of using that sig.

Hold your breath for a reply...

[maus]

Post by jrg
Whatever that is, it will not come around in any of our lifetimes so try
and look at the here and now. There are bigger things to be concerned
about in the world today than the ramblings of some nihilist that goes
to the trouble of using that sig.
Hold your breath for a reply...

AFAIK, HAL has been into Linux from the start. With the sort of customers
they have, they are unlikely to depend on the idiot of Redmond.

The US Nave does not not seem to worry, they can always blame the
Vietnamese, Chinese, or Iranian's.

[Martha Adams]

Post by maus

Post by jrg
Whatever that is, it will not come around in any of our lifetimes so try
and look at the here and now. There are bigger things to be concerned
about in the world today than the ramblings of some nihilist that goes
to the trouble of using that sig.
Hold your breath for a reply...

AFAIK, HAL has been into Linux from the start. With the sort of customers
they have, they are unlikely to depend on the idiot of Redmond.
The US Nave does not not seem to worry, they can always blame the
Vietnamese, Chinese, or Iranian's.

=================================================

It's good to get things right, and I don't see that here. *I did not
write* the above "Whatever that is...," attributed to me. It
originates from the preceding message, written by 'jrg'. Error!
Error!

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Tues 2018 Nov 06]

[Jimmy Johnson]

Post by jrg
Whatever that is, it will not come around in any of our lifetimes so try
and look at the here and now.  There are bigger things to be concerned
about

Like what? That's a question.

Post by jrg
in the world today than the ramblings of some nihilist that goes
to the trouble of using that sig.
Hold your breath for a reply...

You sound like a Microsoft Troll to me, People have been setting on
their asses for way to long while these Neo-Linux-Developers, who hate
Linux, take over Open Source. They cannot and will not assassinate all
of us if we educate ourselves and speak out every chance we get.

[jrg]

On 11/7/18 3:21 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

<snip>

People have been setting on their asses for way to long while these Neo-Linux-Developers, who hate Linux, take over Open Source. They cannot and will not assassinate all of us if we educate ourselves and speak out every chance we get.

You really are a dumb ass if you think that is something to worry about.

You sound like a Microsoft Troll to me,

Then get your hearing checked.

The original post made zero sense outside some conspiracy nonsense, as
most of the op's posts seem to try and do. She is obviously still
living in the days of "dos 6.2 should be free" and posts seemingly deep
thought out ideas and disappears.

[Jimmy Johnson]

Post by jrg
<snip>

People have been setting on their asses for way to long while these
Neo-Linux-Developers, who hate Linux, take over Open Source.  They
cannot and will not assassinate all of us if we educate ourselves and
speak out every chance we get.

You really are a dumb ass if you think that is something to worry about.

You sound like a Microsoft Troll to me,

Then get your hearing checked.
The original post made zero sense outside some conspiracy nonsense, as
most of the op's posts seem to try and do.  She is obviously still
living in the days of "dos 6.2 should be free" and posts seemingly deep
thought out ideas and disappears.

You're the MS dumb ass trolling a Linux news group talking MS crap and
probable don't know F***ing stupid you look.

[jrg]

On 11/8/18 6:13 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

<snip>

Post by Jimmy Johnson
You're the MS dumb ass trolling a Linux news group talking MS crap

??

[Martha Adams]

Post by Jimmy Johnson

Post by jrg
<snip>

People have been setting on their asses for way to long while these
Neo-Linux-Developers, who hate Linux, take over Open Source. They
cannot and will not assassinate all of us if we educate ourselves and
speak out every chance we get.

You really are a dumb ass if you think that is something to worry about.

You sound like a Microsoft Troll to me,

Then get your hearing checked.
The original post made zero sense outside some conspiracy nonsense, as
most of the op's posts seem to try and do. She is obviously still
living in the days of "dos 6.2 should be free" and posts seemingly
deep thought out ideas and disappears.

You're the MS dumb ass trolling a Linux news group talking MS crap and
probable don't know F***ing stupid you look.

======================================================

I think this exchange reflects a quality of its writers. Upon
reading it, in a context of so much other news these days, I'm
led to feel deeply discouraged. I believe *this* is not going
to get FOSS and its principles, anywhere I want to be.

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Thr 2018 Nov 08]

[jrg]

On 11/8/18 5:01 PM, Martha Adams wrote:

<snip>

Post by Martha Adams
I believe *this* is not going
to get FOSS and its principles, anywhere I want to be.

No one is going to walk into your house and steal whatever it is you're
afraid of. Your time would be better spent complaining about the
government as it exists today. The capitalist markets are going to
march along whether you like it or not and it is really a healthy thing.
This has nothing to do with FOSS - Red Hat has been commercial since
the 1990s - it was their intent from day one. Just because they don't
kowtow to your wishes doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.

And just what, pray tell, is YOUR contribution to FOSS? What is your
git account working on?

[Martha Adams]

Post by jrg
<snip>

Post by Martha Adams
I believe *this* is not going
to get FOSS and its principles, anywhere I want to be.

No one is going to walk into your house and steal whatever it is you're
afraid of. Your time would be better spent complaining about the
government as it exists today. The capitalist markets are going to
march along whether you like it or not and it is really a healthy thing.
This has nothing to do with FOSS - Red Hat has been commercial since
the 1990s - it was their intent from day one. Just because they don't
kowtow to your wishes doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.
And just what, pray tell, is YOUR contribution to FOSS? What is your
git account working on?

It's interesting to look at this unoriginal hostility and think about
where it comes from. An easy answer is someone comes from a bad
background and just doesn't know any better, but these days, other
options exist. Is fandom too far down the hierarchy to gain attention
of Russian trolls doing cyberwar? I think not. But this one seems so
far, not to be doing English 2nd language.

But whether a troll or just someone with a weak and corrupted mind, the
effect is the same. Skunk room! To empty a room, throw in a skunk. And
here, those driven out are the congenial and working people who if they
were here, could be working at better resource at all.

Note to JRG -- find and study Francis Bacon's 59 essays, easily
accessible from here. Bacon published about 1601 and some of what he
says is of course quite obsolete, but his calm, tidy, and steady
style is a model for all writers any when. Even now, as America
falls into the Trump morass.

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Fri 2018 Nov 09]

[Rich]

Post by Martha Adams

Post by jrg
<snip>

Post by Martha Adams
I believe *this* is not going
to get FOSS and its principles, anywhere I want to be.

No one is going to walk into your house and steal whatever it is
you're afraid of. Your time would be better spent complaining about
the government as it exists today. The capitalist markets are going
to march along whether you like it or not and it is really a healthy
thing. This has nothing to do with FOSS - Red Hat has been
commercial since the 1990s - it was their intent from day one. Just
because they don't kowtow to your wishes doesn't mean the world is
coming to an end.
And just what, pray tell, is YOUR contribution to FOSS? What is
your git account working on?

But whether a troll or just someone with a weak and corrupted mind,
the effect is the same. Skunk room! To empty a room, throw in a
skunk. And here, those driven out are the congenial and working
people who if they were here, could be working at better resource at
all.

This, of course, is/was the original reason behind the creation of
killfiles in Usenet clients. To allow the "congenial and working
people" to filter out all the skunks and continue in the group as if
there were no skunks present.

The difficulty is that building up a good killfile takes time, time
during which one has to smell the disgusting output of the skunks. So
one needs some determination to reach the skunk-free plane of
existence. And without the determination to get to the skunk-free
existence, many abandon Usenet early.

[Dan C]

Post by Martha Adams

Post by jrg
<snip>

I believe *this* is not going to get FOSS and its principles, anywhere
I want to be.

No one is going to walk into your house and steal whatever it is you're
afraid of. Your time would be better spent complaining about the
government as it exists today. The capitalist markets are going to
march along whether you like it or not and it is really a healthy thing.
This has nothing to do with FOSS - Red Hat has been commercial since
the 1990s - it was their intent from day one. Just because they don't
kowtow to your wishes doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.
And just what, pray tell, is YOUR contribution to FOSS? What is your
git account working on?

It's interesting to look at this unoriginal hostility and think about
where it comes from. An easy answer is someone comes from a bad
background and just doesn't know any better, but these days, other
options exist. Is fandom too far down the hierarchy to gain attention
of Russian trolls doing cyberwar? I think not. But this one seems so
far, not to be doing English 2nd language.
But whether a troll or just someone with a weak and corrupted mind, the
effect is the same. Skunk room! To empty a room, throw in a skunk. And
here, those driven out are the congenial and working people who if they
were here, could be working at better resource at all.
Note to JRG -- find and study Francis Bacon's 59 essays, easily
accessible from here. Bacon published about 1601 and some of what he
says is of course quite obsolete, but his calm, tidy, and steady style
is a model for all writers any when. Even now, as America falls into
the Trump morass.
Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Fri 2018 Nov 09]

You're a fuckin whacko.

[Jimmy Johnson]

 This has nothing to do with FOSS - Red Hat has been commercial since
the 1990s - it was their intent from day one.  Just because they don't
kowtow to your wishes doesn't mean the world is coming to an end.

Martha, Did you know that Microsoft is the current leader in Open Source
Development? It's not a secret and it sells stocks on the market. You
can find them at github, now secretly they call themselves
Neo-Linux-Developers, clam to be the best Linux Developers and just like
Microsoft they hate Linux, it was a Microsoft.Com forum where I was
introduced to them and github is full of them, they are more than any
other single team of developers on github. To me Hate is not logical,
nothing logical about hate, it's a sickness. Sure we get mad and angry,
any loved one can tell you that, but we still love, deep inside of us
all we really want is to love and to be loved.

And just what, pray tell, is YOUR contribution to FOSS?  What is your
git account working on?

Most of the real open source has picked up and moved away from github
when the announcement came that MS had bought github and are working
pretty much secretly on how to avoid the systemd backdoor and its
friends and trying not to get interrupted by MS trolls in Linux forums
and news groups. MS trolls outnumber Linux trolls and are doing
anything they can to keep people from hearing truth. I do not like
trolls of any type, especially cross posting trolls in Linux groups,
that's when things get nasty and those scum buckets will be gone.

And the meek shall inherit the Earth because the strong failed to be
bought and stood up to the scum buckets.

[Jos Bergervoet]

Post by Martha Adams
Seeing today's news, I think the future may be talking to us.

If anyone from the past could see it then they would agree.

So who are we to know it better?

[notbob]

Post by Jos Bergervoet
So who are we to know it better?

The ppl actually living it?

....although, half this country IS fulla nit-wits. ;)

nb

[maus]

Post by notbob

Post by Jos Bergervoet
So who are we to know it better?

The ppl actually living it?
....although, half this country IS fulla nit-wits. ;)
nb

Probably numerically. Every October, when spiders webs become visible in the
morning dew, I wonder, how many spiders are out there?.

[Mike Spencer]

Post by maus
Probably numerically. Every October, when spiders webs become
visible in the morning dew, I wonder, how many spiders are out
there?.

The study, which was written by professors Martin Nyffeler and
Klaus Birkhofer, noted there are 45,000 individual species of
spider that have been identified thus far with a combined weight
of around 25 million metric tons.

The study suggests that while there are an average of 131 spiders
per square meter around the globe, while in ideal conditions, the
density can reach up to 1000 spiders per square meter.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3341294/spiders-consumption-study/

If you have cobwebs in your house, you've probably had a spider egg
case hatch out. In that case you may have seen squillions (viz. too
many to count) tiny baby spiders spin hundreds of thin web strands
that later get coated with house dust and become "cob webs". AFAICT
the tiny guys then set about devouring each other. I'd guess that
such events briefly represent something like 300 spiders per cubic
foot.

The ceiling of our dry-stone dirt-floored cellar has, by very casual
count, between 1 and 6 or 7 spiders per sq. meter of a variety that I
haven't been able to identify and never see anywhere else. The
overhead hand-hewn beams are festooned with little teardrop-shaped egg
cases. These guys never invade the warmer, dryer living quarters of
the house. I can't figure out what they eat as the don't spin
trap-type sticky webs and I've never seen them on the floor where sow
bugs, millipedes and the like hang out.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Mike Spencer
If you have cobwebs in your house, you've probably had a spider egg
case hatch out. In that case you may have seen squillions (viz. too
many to count) tiny baby spiders spin hundreds of thin web strands
that later get coated with house dust and become "cob webs". AFAICT
the tiny guys then set about devouring each other. I'd guess that
such events briefly represent something like 300 spiders per cubic
foot.

What has been revealed can not be un-revealed! I'm willing to tolerate
individual spiders, but NOT hordes of them. I'm a crappy housekeeper,
but now I have to go on search-and-destroy missions for COBWEBS!

BASTARD!

OTOH, perhaps by the time I can see the webs their creators have all
gone to that great <whatever> in the sky and what's left is harmless.
PLEASE tell me that that's the way it works...

[Mike Spencer]

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Mike Spencer
If you have cobwebs in your house, you've probably had a spider egg
case hatch out. In that case you may have seen squillions (viz. too
many to count) tiny baby spiders spin hundreds of thin web strands
that later get coated with house dust and become "cob webs". AFAICT
the tiny guys then set about devouring each other. I'd guess that
such events briefly represent something like 300 spiders per cubic
foot.

What has been revealed can not be un-revealed! I'm willing to tolerate
individual spiders, but NOT hordes of them. I'm a crappy housekeeper,
but now I have to go on search-and-destroy missions for COBWEBS!
BASTARD!

Oy!

Post by The Real Bev
OTOH, perhaps by the time I can see the webs their creators have all
gone to that great <whatever> in the sky and what's left is harmless.

I think so. Very fine web spun by infants is barely visible until it
accumulates some house dust. But they're a real tangle and do
accumulate dust easily.

Post by The Real Bev
PLEASE tell me that that's the way it works...

AFAICT -- I haven't made a dedicated study or househols arachnids,
just casual observation -- AFAICT, the cobwebs you see have long since
been abandoned and are just, you know, cobwebs. Only if, on close
scrutiny, you can see tiny moving specks, is it recent and populated.

Better to go on a search-and-destroy mission for egg cases which can
vary (depending on where you live, your climate, etc.) from the size
of the distal phalanx of your forefinger to the size of a bb pellet.

You should hear my mother's tale -- ca. 1912, rural school house -- of
a tarantula crawling up the inside of her voluminous skirt. A few
tiny infant household spiders are pretty agreeable by comparison.

ObSlackware: Web? Oh, yes, web! After a bit of bumbling, have
masquerade working nicely. Desktop with old distro does dialup; laptop
with 14.1 can access the web with a browser new enough for most
sites. And cgi-bin scripts on the laptop that run wget can fetch web
pages and purge them of unwanted crap before the browser sees them.
All routed through the LAN and the desktop. Not an IT pro here so
unreasonably smug whenever I get some new thing such as this working
well.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Mike Spencer

Post by The Real Bev
OTOH, perhaps by the time I can see the webs their creators have all
gone to that great <whatever> in the sky and what's left is harmless.

I think so. Very fine web spun by infants is barely visible until it
accumulates some house dust. But they're a real tangle and do
accumulate dust easily.

Post by The Real Bev
PLEASE tell me that that's the way it works...

AFAICT -- I haven't made a dedicated study or househols arachnids,
just casual observation -- AFAICT, the cobwebs you see have long since
been abandoned and are just, you know, cobwebs. Only if, on close
scrutiny, you can see tiny moving specks, is it recent and populated.

NOT interested in looking that closely. I saw tent caterpillars in the
south once. Still creeps me out.

Post by Mike Spencer
Better to go on a search-and-destroy mission for egg cases which can
vary (depending on where you live, your climate, etc.) from the size
of the distal phalanx of your forefinger to the size of a bb pellet.

Not interested in that either, although I destroy the black widow egg
cases whenever I find them. I once watched a BW wrap up a tomato worm.
By the time I got back with my camera she'd carried it off somewhere.
Good for her.

Post by Mike Spencer
You should hear my mother's tale -- ca. 1912, rural school house -- of
a tarantula crawling up the inside of her voluminous skirt. A few
tiny infant household spiders are pretty agreeable by comparison.

Long ago when we were dirtriding we came across a tarantula which I let
walk on my arm. I didn't know they lived in SoCal, but I guess I was
wrong.

Post by Mike Spencer
Not an IT pro here so
unreasonably smug whenever I get some new thing such as this working
well.

Bravo! I'm happy when I get something working through random flailing.

[Mike Spencer]

Post by The Real Bev
Not interested in that either, although I destroy the black widow egg
cases whenever I find them. I once watched a BW wrap up a tomato worm.
By the time I got back with my camera she'd carried it off somewhere.
Good for her.

Ah, so. Yes. We don't have black widows or brown recluses here so
we're pretty cavalier about spiders. Also no tarantulas or chiggers
either. No water moccasins, rattlers, coral snakes etc. so we're
equally cavalier about snakes.

One bummer is a big population boom since ca. mid-70s in Dermacentor
ticks and appearance of Lyme-carrying Ixodes.

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Mike Spencer
You should hear my mother's tale -- ca. 1912, rural school house -- of
a tarantula crawling up the inside of her voluminous skirt. A few
tiny infant household spiders are pretty agreeable by comparison.

Long ago when we were dirtriding we came across a tarantula which I let
walk on my arm. I didn't know they lived in SoCal, but I guess I was
wrong.

My mom was in the Texas panhandle. Tarantulas are reportedly pretty
easy to get along with if you're polite, don't get them in a corner or
touch them "inappropriately".

Post by The Real Bev
Bravo! I'm happy when I get something working through random flailing.

Yes. Upside is that such an approach can be successful in
Slackware. :-)