Discussion:
Rimski Korsakovs Scheherazade
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Nats
2005-11-20 18:13:46 UTC
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Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.

The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats

'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
ansermetniac
2005-11-20 18:20:42 UTC
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:13:46 -0000, "Nats"
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
Ansermet SRO 1961 on Decca


Abbedd
Gerard
2005-11-20 18:20:58 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since
I heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had
then qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think
is the best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the Concertgebouw
Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not need another one".
R***@gmail.com
2005-11-20 18:29:38 UTC
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Post by Gerard
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the Concertgebouw
Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not need another one".
Seconded. And in case you DO need another one, Fritz Reiner's Chicago
recording is also terrific.
d***@andadv.com
2005-11-20 22:05:28 UTC
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Kondrashin and Reiner. Reiner and Kondrashin. Either way you'd like to
list them, they both make top tier.

I could list others that are quite good (Beecham, Monteux, etc.), but
none that really equal, let alone surpass, these two in the stereo era.
Others that have won high critical acclaim (HvK, Haitink, et al) don't
make it anywhere near the top IMO.

In the historical realm, I agree re Stoky/Philadelphia (and his Phase 4
Decca, too, but avoid the Philharmonia--a yawn in comparison) and would
commend Van Beinum/Concertgebouw as a much different but nicely done
option.

FWIW,

Dirk
S***@yahoo.com
2005-11-23 05:28:41 UTC
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Post by Gerard
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the Concertgebouw
Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not need another one".
Seconded. And in case you DO need another one, Fritz Reiner's Chicago
recording is also terrific.
Agreed, both the Kondrashin and Reiner are top class and so is
Beecham, IIRC.

Andrew

a***@aol.com
2005-11-20 20:03:13 UTC
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Post by Gerard
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since
I heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had
then qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think
is the best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the Concertgebouw
Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not need another one".
I am sure it is a wonderful recording but there are so many things to
this work that I would very much doubt that there is only "one
recording" of this piece.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Gerard
2005-11-20 20:07:46 UTC
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Post by Gerard
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music
since I heard it when quite young and have necver founf the
version I had then qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment
on which they think is the best recording? I think the one I
liked might have been by the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra but Im
not sure.
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the
Concertgebouw Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not
need another one".
I am sure it is a wonderful recording but there are so many things to
this work that I would very much doubt that there is only "one
recording" of this piece.
Sure. But you have not heard this recording.
It is the one I would recommend to anyone who did not hear it and to anyone
who is looking for juist one recording.
Matthew Silverstein
2005-11-20 21:57:57 UTC
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Post by a***@aol.com
I am sure it is a wonderful recording but there are so many things to
this work that I would very much doubt that there is only "one
recording" of this piece.
Couldn't stay away?

Matty
Raymond Hall
2005-11-20 22:14:49 UTC
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Post by Gerard
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since
I heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had
then qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think
is the best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
I would like to recommend the recording by Kondrashin and the
Concertgebouw
Orchestra on Philips. It's in the class "you will not need another one".
Well, I thought so, until I heard Scheherazade by Tjeknavorian with the
Armenian SO in a Brilliant Classics Rimsky box. He reveals colour and
detail, and sparkle, that you just won't find in the
Kondrashin/Concertgebouw version, good as it is.

The Russian Easter Festival overture by Markevitch, also with the RCO, a
coupling to the Kondrashin Scheherazade on my copy, is truly superb though.

But even though the Armenian SO may not be in the Concertgebouw orchestral
league, I urge everyone to hear Tjeknavorian's Scheherezade.
Ray H
Taree
j***@earthlink.net
2005-11-21 11:34:15 UTC
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Post by Raymond Hall
The Russian Easter Festival overture by Markevitch, also with the RCO, a
coupling to the Kondrashin Scheherazade on my copy, is truly superb though.
Pity they didn't reissue Markevitch's Scheherazade on CD. That was one
hell of a recording.

jy
Vaneyes
2005-11-20 20:01:54 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic?
Muti (EMI Encore)

Regards
Bill McCutcheon
2005-11-20 20:07:59 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the
best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look
for it again!
--
Regards
Nats
I like Mackerras/LSO on Telarc. It includes an equally excellent
Cappriccio espangnol.
-- Bill McC.
b***@phillynews.com
2005-11-20 21:26:43 UTC
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Stoki/LSO

Barry
Brendan R. Wehrung
2005-11-21 05:12:13 UTC
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Post by b***@phillynews.com
Stoki/LSO
Barry
Yes, and Beecham when you want a second version.

Brendan
Richard Schultz
2005-11-21 07:28:23 UTC
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In article <dlrkvd$cfm$***@theodyn.ncf.ca>, Brendan R. Wehrung <***@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
: (***@phillynews.com) writes:
:> Stoki/LSO

: Yes, and Beecham when you want a second version.

And are stuck on a desert island with one CD store that only carries
the Beecham performance.


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Richard Schultz ***@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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". . . Mengelberg was not the kind of artist who would let us walk home
after a concert with the feeling of having experienced an extraordinary
musical event."
-- Max Rudolf, _The Grammar of Conducting_
Brendan R. Wehrung
2005-11-22 05:05:35 UTC
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Post by Richard Schultz
:> Stoki/LSO
: Yes, and Beecham when you want a second version.
And are stuck on a desert island with one CD store that only carries
the Beecham performance.
For you I'd recommend a German-kappelmeister version. Did Klemperer ever
record Scherezade?

Brendan
Richard Schultz
2005-11-22 05:16:00 UTC
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In article <dlu8uv$q3d$***@theodyn.ncf.ca>, Brendan R. Wehrung <***@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
: Richard Schultz (***@mail.biu.ack.il) writes:
:> In article <dlrkvd$cfm$***@theodyn.ncf.ca>, Brendan R. Wehrung <***@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
:> : (***@phillynews.com) writes:

:> :> Stoki/LSO

:> : Yes, and Beecham when you want a second version.

:> And are stuck on a desert island with one CD store that only carries
:> the Beecham performance.

: For you I'd recommend a German-kappelmeister version. Did Klemperer ever
: record Scherezade?

I have no idea. But if you had been paying attention, you would have seen
that my recommendation was not a German-Kapellmeister version.

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Richard Schultz ***@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"All too frequently ornamentations introduced [into the Well-Tempered
Clavier] by players whose taste and skill are not comparable to Bach's
merely resemble the bird droppings that disfigure the statues of great men."
-- Ralph Kirkpatrick
Richard Schultz
2005-11-21 05:22:01 UTC
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In article <***@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ***@phillynews.com wrote:

: Stoki/LSO

This may come as a surprise to some newsgroup readers, but Previn/LSO is
not bad at all. IMO, it's definitely preferable to the "classic"
Beecham recording that was released in the GROC series.

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Richard Schultz ***@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him *his* way."
-- Wanda Landowska
Raymond Hall
2005-11-21 05:34:26 UTC
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Post by Richard Schultz
: Stoki/LSO
This may come as a surprise to some newsgroup readers, but Previn/LSO is
not bad at all. IMO, it's definitely preferable to the "classic"
Beecham recording that was released in the GROC series.
Musicianship of a high order often comes as a shock to several here.

Ray H
Taree
j***@aol.com
2005-11-20 21:24:41 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
Whatever you do, give Svetlanov's recording on the BBC label a try. It
is hot.

--Jeff
Stephen Worth
2005-11-20 23:26:18 UTC
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Previn and Beecham.

See ya
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William Sommerwerck
2005-11-21 01:21:05 UTC
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I just heard the Reiner, and was most impressed. He does a great job of
hiding the repetitive nature of this work.
a***@aol.com
2005-11-21 21:19:32 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
I just heard the Reiner, and was most impressed. He does a great job of
hiding the repetitive nature of this work.
The repetitive nature of this work is I think, in both Berlioz and
Wagner. known as containing a "leitmotif" or so I have thought.

Very popular work. Very hard to play. See also both Peer Gynt suites
and Dukas: Sorcerers Apprentice. Also very hard to play but
regrettably possibly popular?

Easy to listen to, however, all of them, probably.


Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Todd Schurk
2005-11-21 21:33:03 UTC
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Post by William Sommerwerck
I just heard the Reiner, and was most impressed. He does a great job of
hiding the repetitive nature of this work.
The repetitive nature of this work is I think, in both Berlioz and
Wagner. known as containing a "leitmotif" or so I have thought.
Very popular work. Very hard to play. See also both Peer Gynt suites
and Dukas: Sorcerers Apprentice. Also very hard to play but
regrettably possibly popular?
Easy to listen to, however, all of them, probably.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
...back so soon?...
a***@aol.com
2005-11-21 21:35:16 UTC
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Post by a***@aol.com
Post by William Sommerwerck
I just heard the Reiner, and was most impressed. He does a great job of
hiding the repetitive nature of this work.
The repetitive nature of this work is I think, in both Berlioz and
Wagner. known as containing a "leitmotif" or so I have thought.
Very popular work. Very hard to play. See also both Peer Gynt suites
and Dukas: Sorcerers Apprentice. Also very hard to play but
regrettably possibly popular?
Easy to listen to, however, all of them, probably.
PS: Try the timp part in Rimsky Russian Easter Festival Overture.
How's your counting?

It had better be spot on, I think. You don't have to play it: just
work out the time changes and keep that counting going:):) You can do
that with a recording and a copy of the score.

Let me know how you get on.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Sam
2005-11-21 22:46:24 UTC
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If you like Scheherazade, you should also enjoy Mlada. It has the
same exotic orientalism and uses a bigger orchestra for even more
color. It is a combo of opera and ballet. I have been listening and
watching a Bolshoi production from 1992, conducted by Alexander
Lazarev with Nina Ananiashvili dancing the part of Mlada. It is on a
recent Kultur DVD. I haven't figured out everything in it yet. Maybe
somebody can explain to me why in Act 3, the scene changes suddenly
from ancient, pagan Russia to Cleopatra's court.
Nats
2005-11-21 20:16:40 UTC
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Thanks for all of your comments. It was probably the Chicago Fritz Reiners
version that I had previously (it rings a bell) but I will also listen to
the Kondrashin Concertgebouw as well.

I got the Boston Symphony Orchestra Ozawa version but its not as good as the
previous one I had - the violin isnt up to much I think!

Its one of onaly a few pieces of classical music that I really seriously
like (other than the Four Seasons and The Planets Suite) so I'm a bit
limited in my knowledge! I appreciate the help.

Nats
d***@andadv.com
2005-11-21 23:38:04 UTC
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"Thanks for all of your comments. It was probably the Chicago Fritz
Reiners
version that I had previously (it rings a bell) but I will also listen
to
the Kondrashin Concertgebouw as well."

I don't think you'll regret it. The Reiner version is solid and superb
all the way through, avoiding a maudlin interp with brilliant
individual instrument work as well as orchestral ensemble, but the
Kondrashin is great in a different way...it's the combination of Herman
Krebbers' incredibly sweet and seductive portrayal of Scheherazade
(unsurpassed by any violinist in any version I've heard, and that
includes Oistrakh) coupled with the raw emotion, power and thrust of
Kondrashin's interp and the simply gorgeous response of the
Concertgebouw as a whole that shove it up into the top ranks with ol'
Fritz. Yes, I know. It sounds like a recipe for super-sappiness, but
it's the fact that all this is presented so convincingly that you can't
help but be swept up in the music. Do be aware that the sonics are not
quite so technically impressive as Chicago's--big and full and clear
enough, but slightly more reverberant (this IS the Concertgebouw hall,
after all) and without quite the same dimensional precision. This is
based on comparison of my original LPs--I have not heard the CD
transfers, but many posters have assured me that the they have been
well done. Happy listening,

Dirk
d***@andadv.com
2005-11-21 23:38:05 UTC
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"Thanks for all of your comments. It was probably the Chicago Fritz
Reiners
version that I had previously (it rings a bell) but I will also listen
to
the Kondrashin Concertgebouw as well."

I don't think you'll regret it. The Reiner version is solid and superb
all the way through, avoiding a maudlin interp with brilliant
individual instrument work as well as orchestral ensemble, but the
Kondrashin is great in a different way...it's the combination of Herman
Krebbers' incredibly sweet and seductive portrayal of Scheherazade
(unsurpassed by any violinist in any version I've heard, and that
includes Oistrakh) coupled with the raw emotion, power and thrust of
Kondrashin's interp and the simply gorgeous response of the
Concertgebouw as a whole that shove it up into the top ranks with ol'
Fritz. Yes, I know. It sounds like a recipe for super-sappiness, but
it's the fact that all this is presented so convincingly that you can't
help but be swept up in the music. Do be aware that the sonics are not
quite so technically impressive as Chicago's--big and full and clear
enough, but slightly more reverberant (this IS the Concertgebouw hall,
after all) and without quite the same dimensional precision. This is
based on comparison of my original LPs--I have not heard the CD
transfers, but many posters have assured me that the they have been
well done. Happy listening,

Dirk
Heck51
2005-11-20 21:27:30 UTC
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Anyone recommend a version of this classic?>>
Reiner/CSO.

I also enjoy the Stokowski/Philadelphia version from 1927. surprisingly
good sound, and some classic solo work.
Dave Cook
2005-11-21 04:06:32 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic?
The Stokowski/LSO on Cala:

http://www.calarecords.com/detail.asp?ID=141

Dave Cook
k***@yahoo.co.uk
2005-11-21 09:14:01 UTC
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On the Cala CD you also hear Stokowski's rehearsal comments to the LSO
taped during his Scheherazade recording ..."It's so hard to excite you
... I wonder what your wives do about it ..." ... and later: "If I give
everything, you give everything. If you don't want to do it, there's
the door ..." The Phase 4 Stereo is much improved by Cala over previous
CD incarnations too. You can hear audio snippets on their website.

But 'Rediscovery' also put out a mid-1950s RCA 'Living Stereo'
recording of Scheherazade brilliantly conducted by Morton Gould. Well
worth hearing despite the balance oddities of the early stereo sound.

KS
Michael Schaffer
2005-11-21 04:54:01 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
j***@aol.com
2005-11-21 07:11:08 UTC
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Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
What do you think of the Golovanov?

Ozawa has made at least 3 recordings of this piece. The first two are
quite good, and the second in particular features the BSO, which means
it features the clarinet of Harold Wright, which means it is a
mandatory purchase. This is no more far-fetched than getting the first
one because it features a certain trumpet player. Or getting the
Temirkanov to hear bassoonist Judith LeClair, or the Muti recording to
hear the oboe solos with Richard Woodhams. I mean, aren't these great
woodwind and brass parts the reason people like me will easily acquire
15 or 20 recordings of this work even if it is not desirable to listen
to it very often?

Violin solos? There are violin solos in this piece?

--Jeff
Michael Schaffer
2005-11-21 08:51:46 UTC
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Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
What do you think of the Golovanov?
Ozawa has made at least 3 recordings of this piece. The first two are
quite good, and the second in particular features the BSO, which means
it features the clarinet of Harold Wright, which means it is a
mandatory purchase. This is no more far-fetched than getting the first
one because it features a certain trumpet player. Or getting the
Temirkanov to hear bassoonist Judith LeClair, or the Muti recording to
hear the oboe solos with Richard Woodhams. I mean, aren't these great
woodwind and brass parts the reason people like me will easily acquire
15 or 20 recordings of this work even if it is not desirable to listen
to it very often?
Violin solos? There are violin solos in this piece?
--Jeff
The recording with Oistrakh and Golovanov is pretty good. Not
surprisingly, the violin solos are played very well, and the playing of
the orchestra in general is disciplined and has a lot of rhythmic
energy and typical Russian sonorities directed in a straightforward
manner by Golovanov. Like I said, it sounds really good for a recording
of that age and as such is a valuable document of that particular
orchestral style. There are some great moments, like at the end of the
second part when the horn plays even the stopped echo passage with the
typical Russian horn vibrato.

You have a point of course about the relevance of the wind playing for
collectors specifically interested in that area. Actually, I mostly got
the Ozawa disc because of the orchestra and because I wanted to hear
the Viennese trombones in "Russian Easter". Which Ozawa doesn't really
let happen in the great chorale passage shortly before the end.
Relistening to it a bit, I have to admit my criticism may have been too
negative. The playing really is extremely good, and that is a big part
of the fun in listening to such showcase pieces, and there is rather
more attention to detail than I had appreciated during the first
listening session. The sound is quite good, but a little bit veiled and
muffled with a boxy feeling to it. That spoils the listening fun a bit.
It's a live recording with applause, BTW.
Sacqueboutier
2005-11-21 11:29:40 UTC
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Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
What does "WP stand for?

I have the Ozawa/BSO on DGG, I think it's surprisingly good. It
doesn't match your description at all.
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Best wishes,

Sacqueboutier
Steven de Mena
2005-11-21 11:32:46 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
What does "WP stand for?
I would guess Wiener Philharmoniker.

Steve
EM
2005-11-21 16:48:13 UTC
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Post by Sacqueboutier
What does "WP stand for?
Wyoming Philharmonic.

Eltjo M.
Sacqueboutier
2005-11-21 11:31:21 UTC
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Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the best
recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look for
it again!
--
Regards
Nats
'It's life, Jim, but not as we know it'
I don't know a lot of Sheherazade recordings since I don't listen to
the piece very often. One recording I have and like a lot is
Temirkanov/NYP (coupled with Russian Easter, on RCA) which features
some remarkable solo playing. The bassoon solo in the second movement
is stunningly good. You probably look for more in this piece than great
bassoon playing, but it is so good, if you get a chance to hear the
disc, check it out.
The only other recordings I have are WP/Ozawa (Philips) which I can't
recommend. The playing is predictably very good, but the piece just
strolls along. Ozawa doesn't seem to be very interested in the music.
I also have a recording with Oistrakh playing the solo part with the
Bolshoi Orchestra under Golovanov in surprisingly good 40s mono sound.
Never mind. I got it. Wiener Phil.
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Best wishes,

Sacqueboutier
Matthew B. Tepper
2005-11-21 15:31:37 UTC
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Never mind. I got it. Wiener Phil.
Or as CNN once infamously called it, "an Austrian orchestra."
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pgaron
2005-11-21 17:17:13 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic?
Any opinions on the Bernstein-NYPO recording? The work would seem to
be a natural for Lenny.

pgaron
Sacqueboutier
2005-11-21 20:47:09 UTC
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Post by pgaron
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic?
Any opinions on the Bernstein-NYPO recording? The work would seem to
be a natural for Lenny.
pgaron
Normally it would be, but the orchestral execution is sloppy and the
sound isn't very natural.
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Sacqueboutier
Paul Goldstein
2005-11-21 21:59:05 UTC
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In article <***@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, pgaron
says...
Post by pgaron
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic?
Any opinions on the Bernstein-NYPO recording? The work would seem to
be a natural for Lenny.
One of my favorites, Phil. Voluptuous, but with more of an edge where
appropriate than Stoki.
R. Pierce Butler
2005-11-22 01:34:50 UTC
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Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the
best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look
for it again!
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.

The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for a
catalog number.

pierce
Todd Schurk
2005-11-22 01:43:24 UTC
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Post by R. Pierce Butler
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the
best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look
for it again!
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for a
catalog number.
pierce
How did Maazel's Cleveland/Decca recording(also never on cd I believe)
compare to the Berlin version? Anyone?
Steven de Mena
2005-11-22 03:06:19 UTC
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Post by R. Pierce Butler
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for a
catalog number.
pierce
It's on a Canadian DG "Entree" CD, coupled with Giulini's CSO "Pictures at
an Exhibition" also. DG 47464-2. It shows up (new) on eBay pretty
frequently.

Steve
R. Pierce Butler
2005-11-22 06:33:47 UTC
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Post by Steven de Mena
Post by R. Pierce Butler
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for
a catalog number.
pierce
It's on a Canadian DG "Entree" CD, coupled with Giulini's CSO "Pictures
at an Exhibition" also. DG 47464-2. It shows up (new) on eBay pretty
frequently.
Steve
Thanks for the data Steve. I could not remember what label name DG
assigned to the recording in question. I would have never guessed
"Entree". Sometimes I think that some marketing people should be taken
outside and publicly flogged to serve as a warning to others.

I omitted one point about the original CD 415512-2 with regards to it's
first re-release 445558-2. The engineers at DG decided to remix it for
the 2nd release. While the audible difference between the two is subtle,
it is nonetheless, real. I have not heard the latest release (47464-2)
but track timings may be an indicator if they have decided to re-mix it
yet a third time. I consider the original mix to be superior to the later
versions.

As wildly popular as "Scherezade" was 40+ years ago, why it has fallen in
popularity is a bit of a mystery.

Chabrier is another example of a composers music that has fallen from
grace so to speak. Sadly there are many other examples of some wonderful
music that isn't performed as often as it should be.

pierce
Steven de Mena
2005-11-22 08:50:00 UTC
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Post by R. Pierce Butler
Post by Steven de Mena
Post by R. Pierce Butler
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for
a catalog number.
pierce
It's on a Canadian DG "Entree" CD, coupled with Giulini's CSO "Pictures
at an Exhibition" also. DG 47464-2. It shows up (new) on eBay pretty
frequently.
Steve
Thanks for the data Steve. I could not remember what label name DG
assigned to the recording in question. I would have never guessed
"Entree". Sometimes I think that some marketing people should be taken
outside and publicly flogged to serve as a warning to others.
I omitted one point about the original CD 415512-2 with regards to it's
first re-release 445558-2. The engineers at DG decided to remix it for
the 2nd release. While the audible difference between the two is subtle,
it is nonetheless, real. I have not heard the latest release (474 564-2)
but track timings may be an indicator if they have decided to re-mix it
yet a third time. I consider the original mix to be superior to the later
versions.
Hi,

The latest (474 564-2) was mastered by Emil Berliner Studios and has timings
of 10:33, 11:40, 10:21 and 12:56.

Regards,

Steve
R. Pierce Butler
2005-11-22 09:04:17 UTC
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Post by Steven de Mena
Post by R. Pierce Butler
Post by Steven de Mena
Post by R. Pierce Butler
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD
is Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website
for a catalog number.
pierce
It's on a Canadian DG "Entree" CD, coupled with Giulini's CSO
"Pictures at an Exhibition" also. DG 47464-2. It shows up (new) on
eBay pretty frequently.
Steve
Thanks for the data Steve. I could not remember what label name DG
assigned to the recording in question. I would have never guessed
"Entree". Sometimes I think that some marketing people should be taken
outside and publicly flogged to serve as a warning to others.
I omitted one point about the original CD 415512-2 with regards to it's
first re-release 445558-2. The engineers at DG decided to remix it for
the 2nd release. While the audible difference between the two is
subtle, it is nonetheless, real. I have not heard the latest release
(474 564-2) but track timings may be an indicator if they have decided
to re-mix it yet a third time. I consider the original mix to be
superior to the later versions.
Hi,
The latest (474 564-2) was mastered by Emil Berliner Studios and has
timings of 10:33, 11:40, 10:21 and 12:56.
Regards,
Steve
That is different yet. Below are the other timings.

415512-2

10:30
11:35
10:18
12:50

445558-2

10:35
11:39
10:22
12:48

Pierce
Michael Schaffer
2005-11-22 08:39:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. Pierce Butler
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since I
heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had then
qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think is the
best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the Berlin
Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to look
for it again!
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel conducting
the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I know it
is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's website for a
catalog number.
pierce
I listened to that a long, long time ago and don't remember much of it
except that it suffered from the really bone dry, unathmospheric
recording style that DG cultivated in Berlin in the early digital era,
which also makes the roughly contemporary Rachmaninov recordings a
mixed blessing, although they are really good musically.
R. Pierce Butler
2005-11-22 09:13:57 UTC
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Post by Michael Schaffer
Post by R. Pierce Butler
Post by Nats
Anyone recommend a version of this classic? Ive loved the music since
I heard it when quite young and have necver founf the version I had
then qwhich was excellant. Anyone care to comment on which they think
is the best recording? I think the one I liked might have been by the
Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra but Im not sure.
The music appears in the new Civilization 4 game and prompted me to
look for it again!
I have always been partial to the DG recording with Lorin Maazel
conducting the Berliner Philharmonic.
The original release is 415512-2 but is OOP.
The re-release is 445558-2 but can be hard to find. I got it from
MusicaBona.com and they still have it in stock. Also on the same CD is
Rachmaninov's Isle of the Dead.
DG recently released it again on their budget label but as far as I
know it is available in Europe only. You will have to search DG's
website for a catalog number.
pierce
I listened to that a long, long time ago and don't remember much of it
except that it suffered from the really bone dry, unathmospheric
recording style that DG cultivated in Berlin in the early digital era,
which also makes the roughly contemporary Rachmaninov recordings a
mixed blessing, although they are really good musically.
It cetainly is not dry when compared to the performance of the work I
attended at the Dallas SO. Not only is the DC CD better, it is on key as
well.

On both recordings, one can hear the valve pops and breaths of the
musicians if you listen very carefully and at concert levels. I consider
the recording to be excellent and the performance is very good too.

As always YMMV.

pierce
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