F@ck the EU

'Russian Germans' is a known community in the present day Germany. Most of
them came in the 1990s, after the end of the USSR. In the recent years, the
flow from the post-USSR has almost stopped, as it may be seen in the German
official data <http://clck.ru/Eemjv>. Today, the opposite 'back to Russia'
trend seems to be forming. I watched some YouTube videos where (and also in
the comments) the Russian Germans discuss why they have decided - or are in
process of deciding - to move back to Russia.

The below is a summary of their typical reasoning, as I've learned it.

Germany has not become their homeland, - after 15-20 years of the living in
the country they still cannot feel themselves 'at home' and cannot feel
comfortable while communicating with the aboriginals. Some say they finally
realized they are more Russian than German in their heart. However, most of
such people do not tend to accentuate ethnic identity in their reasoning.
Most of them appreciate the Russian internationalism, which they consider
related not only to the known Soviet internalionalist agenda but also to the
multiethnicity of the Russian Empire before the Soviets. Some say that the
modern German 'internationalism' is very different thing.

It's notable, the second point in their explanations, usually, is concern of
their children: almost all say they dislike the modern German schooling
because it makes children stupid and asocial, and indoctrinates them with
perverse values. They say the German adolescents are spending too much time
along with their smartphones and computers. Russian teenagers play with such
toys too, but the Russia's kids still spend more time in direct live
communication with their fellows, which contributes to better socialization.

Next common thing they point out is, the regular life in Germany is pretty
dull and insipid. Some (not many) even describe it 'depressive' or 'like in
a concentration camp'. Too much regulations and limitations, too much
bureaucracy, too much papers about everything, too high taxation and so on.
Russia provides much more individual freedom, it's easier to live the way
you like in Russia or start your own business. Some say they can not endure
the notorious Ordnung, some dislike the corporate/work culture in Germany.

Yet one issue many mention is that Germany has noticeably changed for the
last decades, and not for the better. Compared to the 1990s - when most of
them arrived in the country - the present day Germany is less safe and more
dirty (literally, more garbage everywhere). They also notice the '3rd world
immigration' but don't tend to call it the main factor. Rather, many say the
aboriginal Germans, in average, seem to become somewhat more angry and rude
themselves, and less friendly towards each other. In contrast, Russia is
greatly improved since the 1990s, and the combination of these trends makes
the re-repatriation back to Russia more attractive today.

One should also understand that these Russian Germans are peculiar not only
with regard to their Germanic descent (although there are quite many 'mixed'
ethnic types among them). The main reason why their ancestors once moved to
the Russian Empire was their desire for free space and self-employment since
the imperial government gave them desert lands and certain autonomy to their
settlements. It left an imprint on the character of their descendants, and
it explains the accents of those who choose to go back to Russia today. They
are not much interested in making a career in corporate environment or large
industries, they rather seek more personal freedom and less 'police state'.

It's also notable that a large part of those who've already moved to Russia
or express plans to do so, have chosen the Krasnodar (aka Kuban) area. It's
the Russian south of pretty nice warm climate and the post-Cossack cultural
environment <http://clck.ru/Eeooz>, in which the ethnic Germanic people of
the sort can integrate pretty well. The Russia's Kuban is currently booming,
in some part due to those 'sanctions', - they helped improve developments in
the region.

By the way, the Krasnodar area is where the notorious Martens family (which
fled the German police state mainly due to the compulsory sex education) is
now [seemingly] finally settled. The Atlanticist propaganda ridiculed their
erratic moves, and I myself wouldn't recommend migration to Russia to those
who had no Russia experience before and are not fluent in language. All this
still does not mean that such a 'progressive' compulsory education, intended
to undermine family, is not an issue. However, as I hinted above, for most
of the German re-repatriants to Russia it's not the only issue but rather
one of many issues that drive them to resettlement. Most of these people
seem to be apolitical, they plan to keep German citizenship, considering it
a useful option, and they do not tend to argue with the fetishized political
slogans but rather use practical and rational terms to describe things that
directly affect their lives and decisions, as I wrote above.

Here are some of those YouTube videos I took into account.
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2KGaLfTlduk6GiKphehNTw>

You should ask a Russian friend to retell you what they are talking about.
You can also read the watchers' comments through a machine translation. I do
not recommend Google because its translator makes some deliberate mistakes.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..

Helmut Wabnig

2018-11-07 11:22:30 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
'Russian Germans' is a known community in the present day Germany. Most of
them came in the 1990s, after the end of the USSR. In the recent years, the
flow from the post-USSR has almost stopped, as it may be seen in the German
official data <http://clck.ru/Eemjv>. Today, the opposite 'back to Russia'
trend seems to be forming. I watched some YouTube videos where (and also in
the comments) the Russian Germans discuss why they have decided - or are in
process of deciding - to move back to Russia.
The below is a summary of their typical reasoning, as I've learned it.
Germany has not become their homeland, - after 15-20 years of the living in
the country they still cannot feel themselves 'at home' and cannot feel
comfortable while communicating with the aboriginals. Some say they finally
realized they are more Russian than German in their heart. However, most of
such people do not tend to accentuate ethnic identity in their reasoning.
Most of them appreciate the Russian internationalism, which they consider
related not only to the known Soviet internalionalist agenda but also to the
multiethnicity of the Russian Empire before the Soviets. Some say that the
modern German 'internationalism' is very different thing.
It's notable, the second point in their explanations, usually, is concern of
their children: almost all say they dislike the modern German schooling
because it makes children stupid and asocial, and indoctrinates them with
perverse values. They say the German adolescents are spending too much time
along with their smartphones and computers. Russian teenagers play with such
toys too, but the Russia's kids still spend more time in direct live
communication with their fellows, which contributes to better socialization.
Next common thing they point out is, the regular life in Germany is pretty
dull and insipid. Some (not many) even describe it 'depressive' or 'like in
a concentration camp'. Too much regulations and limitations, too much
bureaucracy, too much papers about everything, too high taxation and so on.
Russia provides much more individual freedom, it's easier to live the way
you like in Russia or start your own business. Some say they can not endure
the notorious Ordnung, some dislike the corporate/work culture in Germany.
Yet one issue many mention is that Germany has noticeably changed for the
last decades, and not for the better. Compared to the 1990s - when most of
them arrived in the country - the present day Germany is less safe and more
dirty (literally, more garbage everywhere). They also notice the '3rd world
immigration' but don't tend to call it the main factor. Rather, many say the
aboriginal Germans, in average, seem to become somewhat more angry and rude
themselves, and less friendly towards each other. In contrast, Russia is
greatly improved since the 1990s, and the combination of these trends makes
the re-repatriation back to Russia more attractive today.
One should also understand that these Russian Germans are peculiar not only
with regard to their Germanic descent (although there are quite many 'mixed'
ethnic types among them). The main reason why their ancestors once moved to
the Russian Empire was their desire for free space and self-employment since
the imperial government gave them desert lands and certain autonomy to their
settlements. It left an imprint on the character of their descendants, and
it explains the accents of those who choose to go back to Russia today. They
are not much interested in making a career in corporate environment or large
industries, they rather seek more personal freedom and less 'police state'.
It's also notable that a large part of those who've already moved to Russia
or express plans to do so, have chosen the Krasnodar (aka Kuban) area. It's
the Russian south of pretty nice warm climate and the post-Cossack cultural
environment <http://clck.ru/Eeooz>, in which the ethnic Germanic people of
the sort can integrate pretty well. The Russia's Kuban is currently booming,
in some part due to those 'sanctions', - they helped improve developments in
the region.
By the way, the Krasnodar area is where the notorious Martens family (which
fled the German police state mainly due to the compulsory sex education) is
now [seemingly] finally settled. The Atlanticist propaganda ridiculed their
erratic moves, and I myself wouldn't recommend migration to Russia to those
who had no Russia experience before and are not fluent in language. All this
still does not mean that such a 'progressive' compulsory education, intended
to undermine family, is not an issue. However, as I hinted above, for most
of the German re-repatriants to Russia it's not the only issue but rather
one of many issues that drive them to resettlement. Most of these people
seem to be apolitical, they plan to keep German citizenship, considering it
a useful option, and they do not tend to argue with the fetishized political
slogans but rather use practical and rational terms to describe things that
directly affect their lives and decisions, as I wrote above.
Here are some of those YouTube videos I took into account.
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2KGaLfTlduk6GiKphehNTw>
http://youtu.be/i3zEaNhjPtw
http://youtu.be/cimS_Wc0zWE
http://youtu.be/WesftGGT7GM
http://youtu.be/-ZbEbkUXI6g
http://youtu.be/iBT4THCOpZM
You should ask a Russian friend to retell you what they are talking about.
You can also read the watchers' comments through a machine translation. I do
not recommend Google because its translator makes some deliberate mistakes.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..

I don't believe a single word.

w.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-11-07 14:02:38 UTC

Je pourrais répondre en anglais mais ça me coûterait trop de travail
pour un sujet qui finalement ne mérite pas qu'on lui consacre plus de
quelques minutes.

Il faut lire Pierre Hillard sur la spiritualité et l'organisation
sociale des Allemands. Commençons par un fait d'observation : quand on
voyage en Amérique Centrale et en Amérique du Sud on constate qu'il y
existe de nombreuses communautés allemandes qui ne se mélangent pas ou
très peu aux autochtones. Comme certaines de ces communautés endogames
sont très petites, elles produisent de purs sujets aryens passablement
dégénérés par la consanguinité. C'est le cas notamment au Belize.
Ailleurs comme au Chili les communautés sont suffisamment vastes et
reçoivent l'apport extérieur de Germains de souche pour éviter ce
désagrément. L'historien et sociologue du mondialisme Pierre Hillard a
commencé sa carrière en étudiant les communautés germaniques qui ont
essaimées en Europe Centrale et en Europe Orientale et tout
particulièrement en Russie. Ces communautés avaient l'habitude de vivre
de manière autonome, sans se mélanger à leur entourage, avec leurs
propres lois, leur propre système d'administration, leurs propres
écoles, leur propre langue et leur propre culture. Ces communautés ont
traversé les siècles en restant allemandes. C'est un cas extraordinaire
de résilience ethnique, presque aussi frappant que celui des Juifs et
bien plus que celui des Français qui n'ont réussi à tenir que quelques
siècles au Québec et sont en passe d'être submergés par le grand micmac
de la mondialisation. L'ethnie allemande n'a pas besoin de vivre en
nation pour survivre. Si l'on excepte les ethnies sémites (les Juifs et
les Arabes) ou turques (on pense aux Khazars bien sûr qui se sont
greffés sur le tronc juif) c'est sans doute un cas unique au monde. Et
cela explique sans doute la décision de Merkel d'accepter un important
flot migratoire en Europe. Elle sait que sur le long terme ce flot arabe
et noir finira par détruire toutes les autres ethnies blanches et
européennes mais que les Allemands et eux seuls seront préservés. Quand
les Français, les Scandinaves, les Italiens ou les Slaves auront tous
des têtes et des moeurs de Maures, de Bantous ou de Turcs, les Allemands
resteront allemands !

Les Allemands ont échoué à purifier la race blanche par le nazisme. Ça a
été un échec complet. Mais ils n'ont pas renoncé à leur projet. Au lieu
de chercher parmi les peuples européens les "étincelles", j'emploie à
dessein ce terme gnostique et kabbaliste, de race aryenne afin de les
fusionner à la race germanique par le servage des races qu'ils
considéraient comme inférieures, ils ont décidé de les submerger sous un
flot allochtone venu d'Afrique et du Proche-Orient afin que la race
blanche ne subsiste plus que dans la "pureté germanique".

Face au mondialisme et à la mondialisation les peuples qui sont capables
de subsister sans nation (les Juifs, les Allemands principalement)
disposent d'un avantage considérable sur les peuples qui n'en sont pas
capables. Le peuple français ne subsistera pas par le sang. Il le sait
car il n'a jamais été fondé sur le sang mais par l'Esprit reçu lors du
baptême de Clovis. Et c'est pourquoi les Français espèrent survivre sur
le plan spirituel. En quoi ils se trompent puisqu'ils ont rejeté ce
baptême en assassinant le lieutenant du Christ, le roi Louis XVI et sa
famille. Les Français républicains disparaîtront. Seule subsistera
l'infime minorité restée fidèle au Christ. Et il en ira de même de
toutes les nations chrétiennes. Mais les Allemands eux subsisteront par
la race et les Juifs par l'esprit, en mémoire d'Abraham, d'Isaac, de
Jacob, de Joseph, de Moïse, de Josué, de Samuel, de David, de Salomon et
des prophètes.

Le corolaire de cette résilience ethnique est que les non-aryens ou
non-allemands ne sont jamais assimilés par les Allemands. C'est de là
que vient l'échec des "Popofs" à s'intégrer aux "Schleus" ! :)

"René Groumal

2018-11-07 14:15:55 UTC

Je pourrais répondre en anglais mais ça me coûterait trop de travail
pour un sujet qui finalement ne mérite pas qu'on lui consacre plus de
quelques minutes.
Il faut lire Pierre Hillard sur la spiritualité et l'organisation
sociale des Allemands. Commençons par un fait d'observation : quand on
voyage en Amérique Centrale et en Amérique du Sud on constate qu'il y
existe de nombreuses communautés allemandes qui ne se mélangent pas ou
très peu aux autochtones. Comme certaines de ces communautés endogames
sont très petites, elles produisent de purs sujets aryens passablement
dégénérés par la consanguinité. C'est le cas notamment au Belize.
Ailleurs comme au Chili les communautés sont suffisamment vastes et
reçoivent l'apport extérieur de Germains de souche pour éviter ce
désagrément. L'historien et sociologue du mondialisme Pierre Hillard a
commencé sa carrière en étudiant les communautés germaniques qui ont
essaimées en Europe Centrale et en Europe Orientale et tout
particulièrement en Russie. Ces communautés avaient l'habitude de vivre
de manière autonome, sans se mélanger à leur entourage, avec leurs
propres lois, leur propre système d'administration, leurs propres
écoles, leur propre langue et leur propre culture. Ces communautés ont
traversé les siècles en restant allemandes. C'est un cas extraordinaire
de résilience ethnique, presque aussi frappant que celui des Juifs et
bien plus que celui des Français qui n'ont réussi à tenir que quelques
siècles au Québec et sont en passe d'être submergés par le grand micmac
de la mondialisation. L'ethnie allemande n'a pas besoin de vivre en
nation pour survivre. Si l'on excepte les ethnies sémites (les Juifs et
les Arabes) ou turques (on pense aux Khazars bien sûr qui se sont
greffés sur le tronc juif) c'est sans doute un cas unique au monde. Et
cela explique sans doute la décision de Merkel d'accepter un important
flot migratoire en Europe. Elle sait que sur le long terme ce flot arabe
et noir finira par détruire toutes les autres ethnies blanches et
européennes mais que les Allemands et eux seuls seront préservés. Quand
les Français, les Scandinaves, les Italiens ou les Slaves auront tous
des têtes et des moeurs de Maures, de Bantous ou de Turcs, les Allemands
resteront allemands !
Les Allemands ont échoué à purifier la race blanche par le nazisme. Ça a
été un échec complet. Mais ils n'ont pas renoncé à leur projet. Au lieu
de chercher parmi les peuples européens les "étincelles", j'emploie à
dessein ce terme gnostique et kabbaliste, de race aryenne afin de les
fusionner à la race germanique par le servage des races qu'ils
considéraient comme inférieures, ils ont décidé de les submerger sous un
flot allochtone venu d'Afrique et du Proche-Orient afin que la race
blanche ne subsiste plus que dans la "pureté germanique".
Face au mondialisme et à la mondialisation les peuples qui sont capables
de subsister sans nation (les Juifs, les Allemands principalement)
disposent d'un avantage considérable sur les peuples qui n'en sont pas
capables. Le peuple français ne subsistera pas par le sang. Il le sait
car il n'a jamais été fondé sur le sang mais par l'Esprit reçu lors du
baptême de Clovis. Et c'est pourquoi les Français espèrent survivre sur
le plan spirituel. En quoi ils se trompent puisqu'ils ont rejeté ce
baptême en assassinant le lieutenant du Christ, le roi Louis XVI et sa
famille. Les Français républicains disparaîtront. Seule subsistera
l'infime minorité restée fidèle au Christ. Et il en ira de même de
toutes les nations chrétiennes. Mais les Allemands eux subsisteront par
la race et les Juifs par l'esprit, en mémoire d'Abraham, d'Isaac, de
Jacob, de Joseph, de Moïse, de Josué, de Samuel, de David, de Salomon et
des prophètes.
Le corolaire de cette résilience ethnique est que les non-aryens ou
non-allemands ne sont jamais assimilés par les Allemands. C'est de là
que vient l'échec des "Popofs" à s'intégrer aux "Schleus" ! :)

Un joli pot-pourri des délires racialo-christiano-mystico-intégristes du
bouricot.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-09 09:54:29 UTC

Je pourrais répondre en anglais mais ça me coûterait trop de travail pour un
sujet qui finalement ne mérite pas qu'on lui consacre plus de quelques
minutes.
Il faut lire Pierre Hillard sur la spiritualité et l'organisation sociale
des Allemands. Commençons par un fait d'observation : quand on voyage en
Amérique Centrale et en Amérique du Sud on constate qu'il y existe de
nombreuses communautés allemandes qui ne se mélangent pas ou très peu aux
autochtones. Comme certaines de ces communautés endogames sont très petites,
elles produisent de purs sujets aryens passablement dégénérés par la
consanguinité. C'est le cas notamment au Belize. Ailleurs comme au Chili les
communautés sont suffisamment vastes et reçoivent l'apport extérieur de
Germains de souche pour éviter ce désagrément. L'historien et sociologue du
mondialisme Pierre Hillard a commencé sa carrière en étudiant les
communautés germaniques qui ont essaimées en Europe Centrale et en Europe
Orientale et tout particulièrement en Russie. Ces communautés avaient
l'habitude de vivre de manière autonome, sans se mélanger à leur entourage,
avec leurs propres lois, leur propre système d'administration, leurs propres
écoles, leur propre langue et leur propre culture. Ces communautés ont
traversé les siècles en restant allemandes. C'est un cas extraordinaire de
résilience ethnique, presque aussi frappant que celui des Juifs et bien plus
que celui des Français qui n'ont réussi à tenir que quelques siècles au
Québec et sont en passe d'être submergés par le grand micmac de la
mondialisation. L'ethnie allemande n'a pas besoin de vivre en nation pour
survivre. Si l'on excepte les ethnies sémites (les Juifs et les Arabes) ou
turques (on pense aux Khazars bien sûr qui se sont greffés sur le tronc
juif) c'est sans doute un cas unique au monde. Et cela explique sans doute
la décision de Merkel d'accepter un important flot migratoire en Europe.
Elle sait que sur le long terme ce flot arabe et noir finira par détruire
toutes les autres ethnies blanches et européennes mais que les Allemands et
eux seuls seront préservés. Quand les Français, les Scandinaves, les
Italiens ou les Slaves auront tous des têtes et des moeurs de Maures, de
Bantous ou de Turcs, les Allemands resteront allemands !
Les Allemands ont échoué à purifier la race blanche par le nazisme. Ça a été
un échec complet. Mais ils n'ont pas renoncé à leur projet. Au lieu de
chercher parmi les peuples européens les "étincelles", j'emploie à dessein
ce terme gnostique et kabbaliste, de race aryenne afin de les fusionner à la
race germanique par le servage des races qu'ils considéraient comme
inférieures, ils ont décidé de les submerger sous un flot allochtone venu
d'Afrique et du Proche-Orient afin que la race blanche ne subsiste plus que
dans la "pureté germanique".
Face au mondialisme et à la mondialisation les peuples qui sont capables de
subsister sans nation (les Juifs, les Allemands principalement) disposent
d'un avantage considérable sur les peuples qui n'en sont pas capables. Le
peuple français ne subsistera pas par le sang. Il le sait car il n'a jamais
été fondé sur le sang mais par l'Esprit reçu lors du baptême de Clovis. Et
c'est pourquoi les Français espèrent survivre sur le plan spirituel. En quoi
ils se trompent puisqu'ils ont rejeté ce baptême en assassinant le
lieutenant du Christ, le roi Louis XVI et sa famille. Les Français
républicains disparaîtront. Seule subsistera l'infime minorité restée fidèle
au Christ. Et il en ira de même de toutes les nations chrétiennes. Mais les
Allemands eux subsisteront par la race et les Juifs par l'esprit, en mémoire
d'Abraham, d'Isaac, de Jacob, de Joseph, de Moïse, de Josué, de Samuel, de
David, de Salomon et des prophètes.
Le corolaire de cette résilience ethnique est que les non-aryens ou
non-allemands ne sont jamais assimilés par les Allemands. C'est de là que
vient l'échec des "Popofs" à s'intégrer aux "Schleus" ! :)

There's somewhat common similarity among different people and peoples,
expressed in the fact that they tend to consider their selves as well as
certain others special and / or exceptional.

I'd recommend the Euros to be more skeptical about the Reformation and
Enlightenment. That's what has become heavily fetishized in your cultural
environment and historical myths, meanwhile what they produced includes not
only good but some bad things as well. Development of post-Enlightenment
Romantic concepts among the European nations significantly contributed to
the fact that Europe have undermined itself through the WW1 and WW2. The
Nazism as such was / is essentially a Romantic movement, also a product
of the Enlightenment (not specifically German). Various concepts of
particular peculiarity in the modern Europe look somewhat pathetic against
the fact that the European nations are no longer independent. The process
of the European self-undermination started in the 19th century, and it
still continues presently, because the past issues have been conveniently
rationalized rather than been learned properly.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-11-09 14:26:11 UTC

Post by Cardinal de HÃ¨re
Le corolaire de cette résilience ethnique est que les non-aryens ou
non-allemands ne sont jamais assimilés par les Allemands. C'est de là que
vient l'échec des "Popofs" à s'intégrer aux "Schleus" ! :)

There's somewhat common similarity among different people and peoples,
expressed in the fact that they tend to consider their selves as well as
certain others special and / or exceptional.
I'd recommend the Euros to be more skeptical about the Reformation and
Enlightenment. That's what has become heavily fetishized in your cultural
environment and historical myths, meanwhile what they produced includes not
only good but some bad things as well. Development of post-Enlightenment
Romantic concepts among the European nations significantly contributed to
the fact that Europe have undermined itself through the WW1 and WW2. The
Nazism as such was / is essentially a Romantic movement, also a product
of the Enlightenment (not specifically German). Various concepts of
particular peculiarity in the modern Europe look somewhat pathetic against
the fact that the European nations are no longer independent. The process
of the European self-undermination started in the 19th century, and it
still continues presently, because the past issues have been conveniently
rationalized rather than been learned properly.

Le romantisme est un pur produit de la gnose maçonnique. Le phénomène de
résilience raciale chez les Germains et ethnique chez les Sémites est
très antérieur au romantisme, à la gnose maçonnique ou à l'hermétisme de
la Renaissance. Ce phénomène est sans aucun doute commun à tous les
peuples primitifs mais il ne subsiste presque plus au sein des peuples
développés dont la cohésion est avant tout spirituelle. Pourtant il
existe chez les Allemands capables de traverser les siècles en
conservant leur "pureté raciale", leur langue, leur culture, leurs
coutumes. Il existe également chez les Arabes, peuple somme toute
primitif qui a réussi à adapter le judaïsme à ces pratiques bédouines
ancestrales. Il existe également chez les Juifs non pas au niveau racial
mais ethnique. Mais il n'existe pas chez les Français qui n'ont jamais
constitué une ethnie pure mais résultent de la fusion de nombreuses
ethnies (Ibères, Vascons, Celtes, Romains, Germains...) opérée lors du
baptême de Clovis. La France ne peut subsister que par sa fidélité au
Christ en quoi elle ressemble à l'Israël de Moïse, Samuel, David et
Salomon qui ne subsistait que par sa fidélité à Dieu. Israël aussi était
un peuple composite, formé de paysans araméens, de guerriers hittites,
d'esclaves cananéens et d'éleveurs bédouins, qui n'a tenu que tant que
les Hébreux puis les Juifs sont restés fidèles à leur alliance.

Et c'est pourquoi dans le contexte spirituel du mondialisme, dominé par
le satanisme, l'hermétisme, la gnose juive et la gnose maçonnique, les
Français ne peuvent pas subsister en tant que peuple sans nation
contrairement à ces peuples païens que sont redevenus ou restés les
Allemands, les Arabes ou les Juifs.

Erika Ciesla

2018-11-09 14:40:26 UTC

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Fritz

2018-11-09 14:42:25 UTC

Schleich di! °°°°°

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Björn Locke

2018-11-09 17:40:08 UTC

There's somewhat common similarity among different people and peoples,
expressed in the fact that they tend to consider their selves as well as
certain others special and / or exceptional.
I'd recommend the Euros to be more skeptical about the Reformation and
Enlightenment. That's what has become heavily fetishized in your cultural
environment and historical myths, meanwhile what they produced includes not
only good but some bad things as well. Development of post-Enlightenment
Romantic concepts among the European nations significantly contributed to
the fact that Europe have undermined itself through the WW1 and WW2. The
Nazism as such was / is essentially a Romantic movement, also a product
of the Enlightenment (not specifically German). Various concepts of
particular peculiarity in the modern Europe look somewhat pathetic against
the fact that the European nations are no longer independent. The process
of the European self-undermination started in the 19th century, and it
still continues presently, because the past issues have been conveniently
rationalized rather than been learned properly.

Le romantisme est un pur produit de la gnose maçonnique. Le phénomène de
résilience raciale chez les Germains et ethnique chez les Sémites est
très antérieur au romantisme, à la gnose maçonnique ou à l'hermétisme de
la Renaissance. Ce phénomène est sans aucun doute commun à tous les
peuples primitifs mais il ne subsiste presque plus au sein des peuples
développés dont la cohésion est avant tout spirituelle. Pourtant il
existe chez les Allemands capables de traverser les siècles en
conservant leur "pureté raciale", leur langue, leur culture, leurs
coutumes. Il existe également chez les Arabes, peuple somme toute
primitif qui a réussi à adapter le judaïsme à ces pratiques bédouines
ancestrales. Il existe également chez les Juifs non pas au niveau racial
mais ethnique. Mais il n'existe pas chez les Français qui n'ont jamais
constitué une ethnie pure mais résultent de la fusion de nombreuses
ethnies (Ibères, Vascons, Celtes, Romains, Germains...) opérée lors du
baptême de Clovis. La France ne peut subsister que par sa fidélité au
Christ en quoi elle ressemble à l'Israël de Moïse, Samuel, David et
Salomon qui ne subsistait que par sa fidélité à Dieu. Israël aussi était
un peuple composite, formé de paysans araméens, de guerriers hittites,
d'esclaves cananéens et d'éleveurs bédouins, qui n'a tenu que tant que
les Hébreux puis les Juifs sont restés fidèles à leur alliance.
Et c'est pourquoi dans le contexte spirituel du mondialisme, dominé par
le satanisme, l'hermétisme, la gnose juive et la gnose maçonnique, les
Français ne peuvent pas subsister en tant que peuple sans nation
contrairement à ces peuples païens que sont redevenus ou restés les
Allemands, les Arabes ou les Juifs.

Thanks for cross-posting to other European Usenet groups too.
Don't listen to the Commies who hate you for doing so.

Björn

Felix Masterson-Feynschliff

2018-11-08 07:28:07 UTC

I agree.

F.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-13 00:16:04 UTC

Some videos about the recent Donbas election.

russian propaganda

foreign guests

afterparty fest

...

<https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1047733456212545536>
'There hasn't been hot water in Kiev homes for more than 6 months. Let's
get together & ask for the mercy of God to grant us some.' Group calling
itself Kiev Nash asking folks to come to Ukraine's holiest site, Kiev-
Pechersk Lavra, on Sunday to pray for hot water in the capital.

Twitter trolls have fun, but for the poor unwashed Ukrainians it's not a
joke. These naive people were manipulated into the unlawful anti-democratic
coup, which predetermined the path to deterioration. In the last year, the
Ukraine has become the poorest nation in Europe (Kosovo, Moldova are richer
today). Cause and effect. Even those who are very lucky to have hot water
in their houses still cannot afford it too much because the utility prices
have become huge against their miserable wages.

Not all have enough money to buy autonomous water heaters, as well as to
pay for the extra electricity. It's also not a solution in overall, because
the electric power infrastructure within multi-appartment buildings and
residential areas was not designed for such loads. If everyone starts using
autonomous heaters, it will cause mass blackouts.

Even more sensitive issue is outages of central heating. Winter is coming,
temperature is already close to or below zero at night, but in a large part
of the multiappartment buildings in the Ukraine, the heating has not turned
on. So the Ukres are freezing. Some of them are feyly trying to protest and
vandalize something <http://clck.ru/EhLfU>, <http://clck.ru/EhLho>.

...

Meanwhile, in October, one more large military depot had been exploded in
the Ukraine <http://tinyurl.com/ydd83wsq>. They kept the most part of those
American Javelins there, by the way. The corrupt Ukrainian military sells
weapons illegally, - and then, they explode the depots in order to destroy
traces of their illegal deals.

This time, there were no nice videos, like before <https://clck.ru/EhLnP>.
However, it was reported that the October 9 explosion has destroyed the
depot almost completely, only 5% of its contents left usable. According to
the Ukrainian own sources, the multiple military depot explosions in the
recent years had destroyed about 40% of the total amount of weapons and
ammunition under Kiev control <http://clck.ru/EhLmh>, which includes "all
types of ammunition, from cartridges to ballistic missiles".

...

Since 2014 and so far, the post-coup regime managed to conscript about 330
thousand men for the military terrorist operation against the Donbas people,
and now the media report that about one of ten turned to desertion. Today,
the regime put on the list about 33000 men being wanted for desertion.
Besides that, about 15 thousand of guns (Kalashnikov assault rifles, pistols,
grenade launchers) have been stolen. They will be welcome in the Europe's
black market. References <http://clck.ru/EhLxW>, <http://clck.ru/EhLxT>.

...

According to a top regime 'official' ("chief military prosecutor"), the
regime's military casualties due to the Donbas conflict are about 3800 dead
and 8500 seriously injured. The "chief prosecutor" has also revealed
<http://u.to/5vn7EQ> quite a shocking thing that about 15% of the dead had
commited a suicide while on the front line. It indicates low morale in their
army. Alcoholism and infighting between units are also known as contributing
to the death toll, but this number of casualties is not accurately known.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-13 01:42:54 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
http://youtu.be/SuEp7cJlQ5g russian propaganda
http://youtu.be/rxifomGi0ho foreign guests
http://youtu.be/0s-QNPlvtU0 afterparty fest

While the democratic process in the free Donbas is successfully going on,
the Nazis in the Kiev-controlled Ukraine are training adolescents to hate
and kill, - that's what 'western values' today look like.

<https://www.apnews.com/94fe1c68205a43ca96fcc89c88a7cc9f>

Training kids to kill at Ukrainian nationalist camp

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) - The campers, some clad in combat fatigues, carefully
aim their assault rifles. Their instructor offers advice: Don't think of
your target as a human being.

So when these boys and girls shoot, they will shoot to kill.

Most are in their teens, but some are as young as 8 years old. They are at
a summer camp created by one of Ukraine's radical nationalist groups,
hidden in a forest in the west of the country ..

.. The nationalists have been accused of violence and racism, but they have
played a central, volunteer role in Ukraine's conflict with Russia - and
they have maintained links with the government. Earlier this year, the
Ministry of Youth and Sports earmarked 4 million hryvnias (about $150,000)
to fund some of the youth camps among the dozens built by the nationalists.

Read more <https://www.apnews.com/94fe1c68205a43ca96fcc89c88a7cc9f>

...

The Atlanticist MSM just started 'noticing' it, but for those who are closer
to the Ukraine, this was clearly visible from the very beginning. The people
of Crimea and East Ukraine legitimately chose to reject it. However, today
the Atlanticist scum together with the Euromorons demand from them to go back
and start living in one country with the Nazis.

Sheesh, no way (and fuck the EU, of course).

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1047733456212545536>
'There hasn't been hot water in Kiev homes for more than 6 months. Let's
get together & ask for the mercy of God to grant us some.' Group calling
itself Kiev Nash asking folks to come to Ukraine's holiest site, Kiev-
Pechersk Lavra, on Sunday to pray for hot water in the capital.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-08 22:44:33 UTC

There's some similarity between the present volent protests in France
and what happened in the Ukraine in January-February 2014. A difference
is, the French protesters are less violent, and the French riot police
is notably more decisive and brutal against them in comparison to the
way the Ukrainian riot police acted in 2014. Still, much more striking
difference is with regard to how the politicians and the media pundits
comment on the situation.

Nobody so far questions the Macron's government's legitiamacy while the
Ukraine's Yanukovich at the time had been immediately labeled as tyrant,
despite the fact that he was democratically elected as duly as Macron
did, and did not abuse his legal powers. Today, 'observers' unanimously
recognize the fact that the French protests are violent, and the use of
the riot police is seen as justified against them, while in the Ukraine
case their talking point was that the people have a right to protest
peacefully, and the more violent the 'protests' in the Ukraine grew,
the louder they talked that the people have a right to peaceful protest.
Nobody actually cared about the rule of law and [real] democracy in the
Ukraine case.

As a result, an ugly and oppressive regime had been established in the
Ukraine after the unlawful coup, implemented in favor of the violent
minority, but since it's 'pro-European', its ugliness is okay and nice.

I don't know the true internals of the French protests and where they
will eventually lead. There're various speculations. Some say the petty
pretext for the protests was just the last drop that overwhelmed the
people's patience. Some else say the protests are organized by the US
secret services and the English machinators as a kind of warning against
the Macron's idea of a separate European army. There are some else
speculations. The ugly Ukraine 2014 affair have already destroyed the
apparition of European sanity, so such options and interpretations may
be or may be not valid/relevant towards the nations like France as well.

...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://www.apnews.com/94fe1c68205a43ca96fcc89c88a7cc9f>
Training kids to kill at Ukrainian nationalist camp

Heinz Schmitz

2018-12-08 22:56:57 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
...
I don't know the true internals of the French protests and where they
will eventually lead. There're various speculations. Some say the petty
pretext for the protests was just the last drop that overwhelmed the
people's patience.

Unfortunately, the peoples patience is in no way connected with the
peoples intelligence, if ever such a thing existed.

Regards,
H.

Fritz

2018-12-11 14:04:33 UTC

Post by Heinz Schmitz

Unfortunately, the peoples patience is in no way connected with the
peoples intelligence, if ever such a thing existed.

Red deitsch Heinzl!

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Für eine soziale, liberale und gerechte Welt
Wider dem Rechtspopulismus, wider den FakeNews

jmh

2018-12-11 16:03:58 UTC

Post by Fritz

Post by Heinz Schmitz

Unfortunately, the peoples patience is in no way connected with the
peoples intelligence, if ever such a thing existed.

Red deitsch Heinzl!

Uff schwäbisch geht's au

Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-11 16:23:06 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur un
forum francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel ?

Duzz'

2018-12-11 16:27:51 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur un
forum francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel ?

Il est indéniable que "masochisme pédérastique" et "le peuple encule"
sont des exemples caractéristiques de ce raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel.

jmh

2018-12-11 16:45:35 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur un forum
francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et civilisationnel ?

Le parler souabe est un des composanst de l'alaman

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-11 16:59:40 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur un
forum francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel ?

Le parler souabe est un des composanst de l'alaman

Suave c'est vous qui le dites. Que ces gens fassent l'effort d'apprendre
une langue civilisée, le latin ou n'importe lequel de ses descendants !

jmh

2018-12-11 17:51:29 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur un
forum francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel ?

Le parler souabe est un des composanst de l'alaman

Suave c'est vous qui le dites. Que ces gens fassent l'effort d'apprendre une
langue civilisée, le latin ou n'importe lequel de ses descendants !

https://www.swr.de/swr1/bw/musikrecherche/

8 titres... 8 titres en anglais dans la dernière heure

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-11 18:07:48 UTC

Post by jmh
Uff schwäbisch geht's au
Leidr hängd die Geduld der Mensche in keinr Weise mid der zsammenhang
die Indelligenz der Mensche, falls jemals so ebbes exischdierde.

Vous n'avez pas honte d'utiliser un langage barbare et arriéré sur
un forum francophone donc à la pointe du raffinement intellectuel et
civilisationnel ?

Le parler souabe est un des composanst de l'alaman

Suave c'est vous qui le dites. Que ces gens fassent l'effort
d'apprendre une langue civilisée, le latin ou n'importe lequel de ses
descendants !

https://www.swr.de/swr1/bw/musikrecherche/
8 titres... 8 titres en anglais dans la dernière heure

L'anglais c'est du français mal parlé. On peut donc le tolérer jusqu'à
ce que tout le monde arrive à parler convenablement le français.

Fang

2018-12-11 17:48:38 UTC

Post by jmh
alaman

à la crème

--
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Basam dodu

2018-12-08 23:02:30 UTC

The main difference is that the ukrainian riot was organised by the CIA
(and the MI6 too) under the command of the neocons (a gang of the
supranationalist mafia) against another gang (Putin's one) of the same
supranationalist mafia, while the yellow movement in France is inspired
by the CIA under the command of the american imperialism in order to
fight Macron, the neoconservative's puppet.

L'Echappement

2018-12-08 23:04:20 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
There's some similarity between the present volent protests in France
and what happened in the Ukraine in January-February 2014.

I like violent protests!
Ich liebe gewalttätige Proteste!
Ik hou van gewelddadige protesten!
¡Me gustan las protestas violentas!
J'aime les manifestations violentes!
Mi piacciono le proteste violente!
Jeg kan lide voldelige protester!
Eu gosto de protestos violentos!
Харесвам насилствени протести!
Man patinka smurtiniai protestai!
Pidän väkivaltaisista mielenosoituksista!
Szeretem az erőszakos tiltakozásokat!

Fin

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-09 08:11:53 UTC

On 08-12-18 23:44, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 12:11:25 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

het varken uit breslau

2018-12-09 12:23:52 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 13:17:43 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-09 14:29:10 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by inciting
riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be dissatisfied,
but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into violence.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 15:08:59 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the world
state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism. Hitler was the
Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a kind of Messiah : the
Messiah of the world state.

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-09 17:32:11 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by
inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be
dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into
violence.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

Duzz'

2018-12-09 18:01:39 UTC

Post by Cardinal de HÃ¨re
Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the world
state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism. Hitler was the
Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a kind of Messiah : the
Messiah of the world state.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

LOL

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 18:34:56 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by
inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be
dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into
violence.

Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the world
state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism. Hitler was
the Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a kind of Messiah
: the Messiah of the world state.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

Macron is a globalist Hitler, stupide arsehole !

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-09 18:45:57 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by
inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be
dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into
violence.

Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the
world state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism. Hitler
was the Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a kind of
Messiah : the Messiah of the world state.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

Macron is a globalist Hitler, stupide arsehole !

Cogent and detailed. You are a genius.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 19:20:47 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by
inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be
dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into
violence.

Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the
world state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism.
Hitler was the Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a
kind of Messiah : the Messiah of the world state.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

Macron is a globalist Hitler, stupide arsehole !

Cogent and detailed. You are a genius.

Take a history book and read how the globalist intelligentsia has
financed and sustained the bolshevik revolution, the USSR, Hitler's
election, the rearmament of Germany and Macron's election.

het varken uit breslau

2018-12-09 20:25:26 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to
Europe, with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and
communist rat.

Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany by
inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause to be
dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings into
violence.

Usually facism is a worship of the state. But in the case of the
world state this adoration is au mix of communism and fascism.
Hitler was the Messiah of the german state. And Macron is also a
kind of Messiah : the Messiah of the world state.

Rubbish. Please try again for a coherent discourse.

Macron is a globalist Hitler, stupide arsehole !

Cogent and detailed. You are a genius.

Take a history book and read how the globalist intelligentsia has
financed and sustained the bolshevik revolution, the USSR, Hitler's
election, the rearmament of Germany and Macron's election.

My dear 'Cardinal', can we first discuss the question whether calling
names and shouting may be called a fascist attitude?

I would like to react on your statements about the Bolsheviks, but if
you go on behaving in this way I must respectfully decline.

Duzz'

2018-12-09 21:53:06 UTC

Post by Cardinal de HÃ¨re
Take a history book and read how the globalist intelligentsia has
financed and sustained the bolshevik revolution, the USSR, Hitler's
election, the rearmament of Germany and Macron's election.

My dear 'Cardinal', can we first discuss the question whether calling
names and shouting may be called a fascist attitude?
I would like to react on your statements about the Bolsheviks, but if
you go on behaving in this way I must respectfully decline.

LOL
Encore un qui a vite compris.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 23:08:22 UTC

My dear 'Cardinal', can we first discuss the question whether calling
names and shouting may be called a fascist attitude?
I would like to react on your statements about the Bolsheviks, but if
you go on behaving in this way I must respectfully decline.

You can begin by these two books :
<http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf>
<https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf>

And this one if you read french :
<https://www.amazon.fr/Complicités-financements-soviéto-nazis-Pierre-Villemarest/dp/2841910156>

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 08:11:04 UTC

My dear 'Cardinal', can we first discuss the question whether calling
names and shouting may be called a fascist attitude?
I would like to react on your statements about the Bolsheviks, but if
you go on behaving in this way I must respectfully decline.

<http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf>
<https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf>
<https://www.amazon.fr/Complicités-financements-soviéto-nazis-Pierre-Villemarest/dp/2841910156>

Dear Cardinal, I would like to react on the choice of your literature,
but if that will give raise to a new spate of namecalling and shouting,
I'd rather not.

For the moment I think dhat discussion of an important group like
bolshevism or any other historical movement should take several books
and articles from all sides of the political spectrum. Having said that
I should add that Sutton is noot the biggest idiot and you could do
worse than rely on his findings.

I don't think, however, that Sutton would endorse the attempts of the
far right to topple the gouvernement of France or any other western state.

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-10 17:02:07 UTC

Post by Cardinal de HÃ¨re
<http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf>
<https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf>
<https://www.amazon.fr/Complicités-financements-soviéto-nazis-Pierre-Villemarest/dp/2841910156>

Dear Cardinal, I would like to react on the choice of your literature,
but if that will give raise to a new spate of namecalling and shouting,
I'd rather not.
For the moment I think dhat discussion of an important group like
bolshevism or any other historical movement should take several books
and articles from all sides of the political spectrum. Having said that
I should add that Sutton is noot the biggest idiot and you could do
worse than rely on his findings.
I don't think, however, that Sutton would endorse the attempts of the
far right to topple the gouvernement of France or any other western state.

The people is sovereign and you slandered when you called him "far right".

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 17:20:01 UTC

Dear Cardinal, I would like to react on the choice of your literature,
but if that will give raise to a new spate of namecalling and
shouting, I'd rather not.
For the moment I think dhat discussion of an important group like
bolshevism or any other historical movement should take several books
and articles from all sides of the political spectrum. Having said
that I should add that Sutton is noot the biggest idiot and you could
do worse than rely on his findings.
I don't think, however, that Sutton would endorse the attempts of the
far right to topple the gouvernement of France or any other western state.

The people is sovereign and you slandered when you called him "far right".

Do you exclude the possibility that 'the people' may be misled?

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-10 17:40:39 UTC

Dear Cardinal, I would like to react on the choice of your
literature, but if that will give raise to a new spate of namecalling
and shouting, I'd rather not.
For the moment I think dhat discussion of an important group like
bolshevism or any other historical movement should take several books
and articles from all sides of the political spectrum. Having said
that I should add that Sutton is noot the biggest idiot and you could
do worse than rely on his findings.
I don't think, however, that Sutton would endorse the attempts of the
far right to topple the gouvernement of France or any other western state.

The people is sovereign and you slandered when you called him "far right".

Do you exclude the possibility that 'the people' may be misled?

Do you exclude the possibility that YOU ARE THE FAR RIGHT WILLING TO
INSTORE A GLOBALIST DICTATORSHIP ?

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 17:53:08 UTC

Dear Cardinal, I would like to react on the choice of your
literature, but if that will give raise to a new spate of
namecalling and shouting, I'd rather not.
For the moment I think dhat discussion of an important group like
bolshevism or any other historical movement should take several
books and articles from all sides of the political spectrum. Having
said that I should add that Sutton is noot the biggest idiot and you
could do worse than rely on his findings.
I don't think, however, that Sutton would endorse the attempts of
the far right to topple the gouvernement of France or any other
western state.

The people is sovereign and you slandered when you called him "far right".

Do you exclude the possibility that 'the people' may be misled?

Do you exclude the possibility that YOU ARE THE FAR RIGHT WILLING TO
INSTORE A GLOBALIST DICTATORSHIP ?

Please do not shout... That is so... impolite.

Dobb

2018-12-09 15:26:32 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
Take a history book and read how the nazis conquered germany
by inciting riots. Of course the german citizens had good cause
to be dissatisfied, but it takes fascists to harness those feelings
into violence.

Anyone with a history book knows that the 1789 French Revolution
was a godwin-nazi plot, and that the 'European community' is the
democratic ideal number 8, right ?

http://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/2012/03/the-manifesto-of-verona-1943.html

Dobb

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-09 17:34:03 UTC

Post by Dobb

Anyone with a history book knows that the 1789 French Revolution
was a godwin-nazi plot, and that the 'European community' is the
democratic ideal number 8, right ?
http://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/2012/03/the-manifesto-of-verona-1943.html
Dobb

I suggest that you let not your emotions run away with you. Now more
than ever we need coherent thought.

Se_jam

2018-12-09 16:48:51 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Trump, who is of german descent, is fighting the neocons WW.

By the way, 'hret varken uit stettin/breslau' can be translated from dutch to 'the pig from Stettin/Breslau'. Stettin and Breslau were two german cities (as Cologne or Frankfort) transfered to Poland in 1945(As Dantzig, Posen and Koeningsberg), the today's names are Szczecin, Wroclaw, Gdansk, Posnan, Kaliningrad(100% of the population was forced to move to germany and replaces by polish themselves forced moved from eastern poland today part of Bielorussia).

Nevkno aka Sejam

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 17:08:10 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Trump, who is of german descent, is fighting the neocons WW.

Long life to president Trump, the Simon Bolivar of Europe !

Se_jam

2018-12-09 17:38:14 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

Getting rid of Macron is a great goal devotly to be wished !

I'd prefer to first chase back the fascist rats into the sewers.

By the fact Macron is a neocons, a hybrid of fascist and communist rat.

Trump, who is of german descent, is fighting the neocons WW.

Long life to president Trump, the Simon Bolivar of Europe !

Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Sejam

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 18:38:52 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Se_jam

2018-12-09 19:15:54 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Sejam

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 19:41:08 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Fang

2018-12-09 19:47:46 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi
tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.

--
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 19:54:12 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi
tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.

Ongondon digidi coingoindoin.

Fang

2018-12-09 19:56:52 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo
digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.

Ongondon digidi coingoindoin.

Je vous demande de vous arrêter.

--
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Se_jam

2018-12-09 21:05:00 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo
digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.

Ongondon digidi coingoindoin.

Je vous demande de vous arrêter.
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Igidi faugodo regede fugudu ségédé degede cogodo mugudu niqidi kégédé agada vecgedec lagada dmigidi nigidi stragada tiongondon augodo tregede mentgenden kengenden jagada vagada naigaidai égédé ingindin vogodo kégédé legede droigada agada lagada digidi fégédé rengenden cegede.

Sejam

Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 23:10:33 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo
digidi tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.

Ongondon digidi coingoindoin.

Je vous demande de vous arrêter.
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Bogodo negede idigi dédégé.

Se_jam

2018-12-09 19:57:06 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi
tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

Ogodo Egede EsEdes sanganda digidi setgedet ogodo blogidi gegede !

Égédé dougoudou blegede zégédé rogodo setgetdet ilgildil sengenden
legede pagada tégédé ?

Coin.
--
http://youtu.be/krErY7ORb2U

Recalé : coingindin

Sejam

Fang

2018-12-09 19:28:15 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi
tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

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Cardinal de Hère

2018-12-09 19:43:29 UTC

Post by Se_jam
Ongondon legede digidi, faugaudo dragada voirgadar ! Ongondo digidi
tangandan degede chogodo segegede :-)

Cégédé ungundun drogrodro legede degede langandan gagada gedege segede
crégrédré.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/93/9f/6d939f8d839fe1c47f5ff54a16868f85.jpg

Ce bon vieux Chester !

Fritz

2018-12-09 14:15:35 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
What I see is that the riots started after Bannon's visit to Europe,
with the explicit aim of stoking trouble.

<https://www.deepl.com/translator#en/de/What%20I%20see%20is%20that%20the%20riots%20started%20after%20Bannon's%20visit%20to%20Europe%2C%20with%20the%20explicit%20aim%20of%20stoking%20trouble.%0A>

»Was ich sehe, ist, dass die Unruhen nach Bannons Besuch in Europa
begonnen haben, mit dem ausdrücklichen Ziel, Ärger zu schüren.«

Bannon ist einer der vordersten Unruhestifter! Wer brauch Den nun in Europa?

In seinem Fahrwassser LePen - Front National, AfD, Vlaams Belang, FPÖ,
Lega Nord usw. usf.

<http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/rechtsnationale-in-europa-vaterland-und-traenengas-a-1091110.html>

<http://www.pflichtlektuere.com/18/06/2012/europas-rechte-parteien/>

<https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article161409765/Vieles-lassen-Europas-Rechte-unausgesprochen.html>

<https://www.zeit.de/feature/populismus-extremismus-europa>

fup2 dspm, dtt

--
Fritz ™
Für eine soziale, liberale und gerechte Welt
Wider dem Rechtspopulismus, wider den FakeNews

Jan Panteltje

2018-12-09 08:19:33 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
There's some similarity between the present volent protests in France
and what happened in the Ukraine in January-February 2014. A difference
is, the French protesters are less violent, and the French riot police
is notably more decisive and brutal against them in comparison to the
way the Ukrainian riot police acted in 2014. Still, much more striking
difference is with regard to how the politicians and the media pundits
comment on the situation.
Nobody so far questions the Macron's government's legitiamacy while the
Ukraine's Yanukovich at the time had been immediately labeled as tyrant,
despite the fact that he was democratically elected as duly as Macron
did, and did not abuse his legal powers. Today, 'observers' unanimously
recognize the fact that the French protests are violent, and the use of
the riot police is seen as justified against them, while in the Ukraine
case their talking point was that the people have a right to protest
peacefully, and the more violent the 'protests' in the Ukraine grew,
the louder they talked that the people have a right to peaceful protest.
Nobody actually cared about the rule of law and [real] democracy in the
Ukraine case.
As a result, an ugly and oppressive regime had been established in the
Ukraine after the unlawful coup, implemented in favor of the violent
minority, but since it's 'pro-European', its ugliness is okay and nice.
I don't know the true internals of the French protests and where they
will eventually lead. There're various speculations. Some say the petty
pretext for the protests was just the last drop that overwhelmed the
people's patience. Some else say the protests are organized by the US
secret services and the English machinators as a kind of warning against
the Macron's idea of a separate European army. There are some else
speculations. The ugly Ukraine 2014 affair have already destroyed the
apparition of European sanity, so such options and interpretations may
be or may be not valid/relevant towards the nations like France as well.

I largely agree.

Maybe on a different level than in the EU the scam of human made warming that is used to tax people
more and more, forces them to buy new cars, all because 'sales need to happen',
as opposed to real science that the warming is caused by changes in the earth orbit, also stirs up unrest.
France had a revolution long time ago, heads did roll.

OTOH I am all for an European army, a strong nuclear one, where France can play an important role.
We need this to defend ourselves against the US warmongering weapon salesman in that white house,
who wants war in Europe so he can sell his inferior weapons (like F35) to both sides.

I rather have an alliance from such an European army with Russia, together US has no chance.

Yes Ukrain government acts just like a bunch of idiots and I think it does little good to the people there.
There a revolution is needed too.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-10 15:08:33 UTC

Post by Jan Panteltje

Post by Oleg Smirnov
I don't know the true internals of the French protests and where they
will eventually lead. There're various speculations. Some say the petty
pretext for the protests was just the last drop that overwhelmed the
people's patience. Some else say the protests are organized by the US
secret services and the English machinators as a kind of warning against
the Macron's idea of a separate European army. There are some else
speculations. The ugly Ukraine 2014 affair have already destroyed the
apparition of European sanity, so such options and interpretations may
be or may be not valid/relevant towards the nations like France as well.

I largely agree.
Maybe on a different level than in the EU the scam of human made warming
that is used to tax people
more and more, forces them to buy new cars, all because 'sales need to happen',
as opposed to real science that the warming is caused by changes in the
earth orbit, also stirs up unrest.
France had a revolution long time ago, heads did roll.
OTOH I am all for an European army, a strong nuclear one, where France
can play an important role.
We need this to defend ourselves against the US warmongering weapon
salesman in that white house,
who wants war in Europe so he can sell his inferior weapons (like F35) to both sides.
I rather have an alliance from such an European army with Russia,
together US has no chance.

I think that the American policy making has become seriously delusional.
It has little to do with specific personalities, 'left' and 'right'.
There are sane left and right people and factions in America, but they
represent a small political minority while their mainstream political
and ideological trends are infected with narrow and unhealthy jingoism.
Meanwhile, Asia rises, and the US economy continues to increase national
debt, it's hard to imagine a realistic way they could pay it back.

This all heralds impending troubles.

Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the belief
of 'western civilization', and especially the UK 'conservatives' tend to
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire. There are
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had seriously
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to the top.
The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are based on the premise
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron has
become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat threatens to
get worse.

Post by Jan Panteltje
Yes Ukrain government acts just like a bunch of idiots and I think it
does little good to the people there.
There a revolution is needed too.

Components of diverse formations rarely can divorce themselves peacefully
(eg. the Yugoslavia case). The USSR dismantled itself peacefully, along
the border lines basically established by the Soviet 'nation-builders' in
the 1920s. However, the design of those builders was far from perfection,
and it produced a few 'time bombs'. It includes, for example, the known
Armenia-Azerbaijan feud, and the [East] Ukraine is the case of the sort.
The fact that Russia has to somehow deal with these issues today doesn't
mean that Russia is going to invade Europe etc as the pro-NATO ideologues
scare the European public. The present day Russia has no 'imperialist'
zeal, but it also can not ignore the local post-Soviet issues. Meanwhile,
the Atlanticist policy makers are working on aggravating these issues.

Specifically, with regard to the Ukraine, the case is really ugly. The
US / EU policymakers saw their goal in 2014 in 'tearing the country away'
from Russia. In order to implement the unlawful coup they had to support
militant extremist groups, the neo-Nazi or close to that. And it all was
blatantly against 'the democracy and the rule of law'. European lefties
love to over-demonize domestic right-wingers, but those folks who did set
the tone in that 'maidan', and do set the tone today, are incomparably
hateful and primitive against the European right-wing. But the European
liberals will love them as long as it serves the anti-Russia agenda.

het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 17:14:58 UTC

On 10-12-18 16:08, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

...

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the belief
of 'western civilization', and especially the UK 'conservatives' tend to
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire. There are
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had seriously
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to the top.
The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are based on the premise
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron has
become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat threatens to
get worse.

I always say "France lost the first world war and England the second..."

BugHunter

2018-12-10 17:35:58 UTC

Post by het varken uit Stettin
....

I always say "France lost the first world war and England the second..."

And The Netherlands?

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het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 17:54:10 UTC

....

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the

belief > of 'western civilization', and especially the UK
'conservatives' tend to

Post by Oleg Smirnov
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire. There

are

Post by Oleg Smirnov
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had

seriously

Post by Oleg Smirnov
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to the

top. > The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are based on
the premise

Post by Oleg Smirnov
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron

has > become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat
threatens to > get worse.
I always say "France lost the first world war and England the second..."

And The Netherlands?

Somewhere in a corner, smirking.

BugHunter

2018-12-10 18:33:05 UTC

....

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the

belief > of 'western civilization', and especially the UK
'conservatives' tend to

Post by Oleg Smirnov
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire. There

are

Post by Oleg Smirnov
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had

seriously

Post by Oleg Smirnov
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to the

top. > The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are based on
the premise

Post by Oleg Smirnov
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron

has > become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat
threatens to > get worse.
I always say "France lost the first world war and England the second..."

And The Netherlands?

Somewhere in a corner, smirking.

Well, not really in the 2nd world war.

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het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-10 19:39:45 UTC

....

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the

belief > of 'western civilization', and especially the UK >>

'conservatives' tend to

Post by Oleg Smirnov
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire.

There >> are

Post by Oleg Smirnov
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had >>

seriously

Post by Oleg Smirnov
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to

the >> top. > The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are
based on >> the premise

Post by Oleg Smirnov
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron

has > become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat
threatens to > get worse.
I always say "France lost the first world war and England the

second..."

Post by Oleg Smirnov
And The Netherlands?

Somewhere in a corner, smirking.

Well, not really in the 2nd world war.

The dutchmen had a bad time. The Netherlands, however, saved their
wealth in London.

It is rumoured that all big dutch companies split their board of
directors, one part cooperating with the germans and the other part in
England. So the continuity of the company was guaranteed, whoever won
the war.

BugHunter

2018-12-10 20:41:44 UTC

....

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through the

belief > of 'western civilization', and especially the UK >>

'conservatives' tend to

Post by Oleg Smirnov
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire.

There >> are

Post by Oleg Smirnov
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had >>

seriously

Post by Oleg Smirnov
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to

the >> top. > The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are
based on >> the premise

Post by Oleg Smirnov
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand patron

has > become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it somewhat
threatens to > get worse.
I always say "France lost the first world war and England the

second..."

Post by Oleg Smirnov
And The Netherlands?

Somewhere in a corner, smirking.

Well, not really in the 2nd world war.

The dutchmen had a bad time. The Netherlands, however, saved their
wealth in London.
It is rumoured that all big dutch companies split their board of
directors, one part cooperating with the germans and the other part in
England. So the continuity of the company was guaranteed, whoever won
the war.

That was certainly in the 1st world war?

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het varken uit Stettin

2018-12-11 07:37:10 UTC

....

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Europe is closely related to the US historically and through

the >> >> belief > of 'western civilization', and especially the UK >>

Post by Oleg Smirnov
'conservatives' tend to

Post by Oleg Smirnov
see it as a kind of continuation of the former British empire.

There >> are

Post by Oleg Smirnov
also alliances like NATO, special trade agreements. Europe had

seriously

Post by Oleg Smirnov
undermined itself through the WW1/WW2, which brought the US to

the >> top. > The modern concepts of the Atlanticist alliance are
based on >> the premise

Post by Oleg Smirnov
of the America's leadership. Meanwhile, the Europe's grand

patron >> >> has > become not quite sane and healthy nowadays, and it
somewhat >> >> threatens to > get worse.

I always say "France lost the first world war and England the >>

second..."

Post by Oleg Smirnov
And The Netherlands?

Somewhere in a corner, smirking.

Post by BugHunter
Well, not really in the 2nd world war.

The dutchmen had a bad time. The Netherlands, however, saved their
wealth in London.
It is rumoured that all big dutch companies split their board of
directors, one part cooperating with the germans and the other part in
England. So the continuity of the company was guaranteed, whoever won
the war.

That was certainly in the 1st world war?

I only know with certainty about Philips in the second world war.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-28 00:16:25 UTC

<https://sptnkne.ws/kuFV>

US, Europe Suffer From Rampant Corruption at 'Highest Levels of Power' ..

A new IFOP opinion poll that was conducted on both sides of the Atlantic
has revealed that residents of seemingly corruption-free countries may not
always regard them as such.

The poll was conducted exclusively for Sputnik in the United States, the
United Kingdom, France, and Germany - four countries which ranked among
the top-25 in the Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index
for 2017.

However, when asked how they would evaluate "the extent of corruption at
the highest levels of power in their country", two-thirds of respondents
in the United States and over a half of respondents in France described it
as "high".

Over a third of respondents in Germany, along with nearly a third of
respondents in the UK and France, claimed that the extent of corruption is
"medium", and about one fifth of German respondents (and much fewer in the
other countries) said it is "low".

The survey was conducted for Sputnik in August by IFOP among a total of
4,033 respondents over 18 years old. The margin of error does not exceed
3.1 percent.

...

The TI's "Corruption Perceptions Index" is long known as a hoax.

Follow the link to see a more detailed chart.

<http://tinyurl.com/ya2uz3rd>
Trust Is Collapsing in America

Erika Ciesla

2018-12-28 01:15:51 UTC

Am 28.12.18 um 01:16 Uhr Oleg Smirnov schrieb:

Fuck yourself!

Anton Senffmeier

2018-12-28 09:13:40 UTC

Oleg Smirnov wrote:

Thank you, Oleg Smirnov, for crossposting!

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://sptnkne.ws/kuFV>
US, Europe Suffer From Rampant Corruption at 'Highest Levels of Power' ..
A new IFOP opinion poll that was conducted on both sides of the Atlantic
has revealed that residents of seemingly corruption-free countries may not
always regard them as such.
The poll was conducted exclusively for Sputnik in the United States, the
United Kingdom, France, and Germany - four countries which ranked among
the top-25 in the Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index
for 2017.
However, when asked how they would evaluate "the extent of corruption at
the highest levels of power in their country", two-thirds of respondents
in the United States and over a half of respondents in France described it
as "high".
Over a third of respondents in Germany, along with nearly a third of
respondents in the UK and France, claimed that the extent of corruption is
"medium", and about one fifth of German respondents (and much fewer in the
other countries) said it is "low".

The so-called "democrats" might stuff their stolen money in their rear
end. I don't care.

But I do care about the children high ranking Satanists in politics,
police, and justice are abusing and killing to gain more power and more
money.

Dutroux is not forgotten, and he is only one child trafficker of many
for high ranking Satanists.

Democracy is all fake!

Return to Jesus Christ, your only hope! This satanic world is about to
end soon.

Ciao!
Anton

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-28 09:37:17 UTC

Post by Anton Senffmeier
Thank you, Oleg Smirnov, for crossposting!

You are welcome.

Post by Anton Senffmeier

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://sptnkne.ws/kuFV>
US, Europe Suffer From Rampant Corruption at 'Highest Levels of Power' ..

The so-called "democrats" might stuff their stolen money in their rear
end. I don't care.
But I do care about the children high ranking Satanists in politics,
police, and justice are abusing and killing to gain more power and more
money.
Dutroux is not forgotten, and he is only one child trafficker of many
for high ranking Satanists.
Democracy is all fake!
Return to Jesus Christ, your only hope! This satanic world is about to
end soon.

I don't think democracy is all fake, moreover I'm pro-democracy myself,
and the Christian morals do not contradict the concept of democracy, so
the dichotomy is bogus.

Your seem to be trolling, and this trolling is irrelevant to the topic.

Erika Ciesla

2018-11-13 10:58:04 UTC

()

Fick Dich selbst!

noebbes

2018-11-13 11:03:42 UTC

()

Fick Dich selbst!

Machst Du ja auch, newahr?

Cardinal de Hère

2018-11-14 15:29:13 UTC

Post by noebbes

Post by Erika Ciesla
Fick Dich selbst!

Machst Du ja auch, newahr?

Vous ne pouvez pas vous exprimer dans une langue civilisée, comme tout
le monde ?

jmh

2018-11-13 11:05:13 UTC

()

Fick Dich selbst!

Mit was?

Se_jam

2018-12-09 17:34:27 UTC

()

Fick Dich selbst!

Mit was?

wo ist Was ?

Wisnie aka Sejam

klaus r.

2018-11-13 11:19:29 UTC

Am Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:58:04 +0100

()

Fick Dich selbst!

Manche Leute lässt die Bratröhre einfach nicht mehr los

--
Natürlich hat jeder eine eigene Meinung. Nur weiss auch jeder,
wo diese eigene Meinung herkommt? (Lisa Fitz)
Bevor ich mich uffreg, isset mir lieber egal (auch Lisa Fitz)

Cardinal de Hère

2018-11-14 15:28:24 UTC

Post by Erika Ciesla
Fick Dich selbst!

Quelle langue barbare ! J'espère que vous ne vous promenez pas sans
muselière.

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-16 09:39:57 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
today). Cause and effect. Even those who are very lucky to have hot water
in their houses still cannot afford it too much because the utility prices
have become huge against their miserable wages.
Even more sensitive issue is outages of central heating. Winter is coming,
temperature is already close to or below zero at night, but in a large part
of the multiappartment buildings in the Ukraine, the heating has not turned
on. So the Ukres are freezing. Some of them are feyly trying to protest and
vandalize something <http://clck.ru/EhLfU>, <http://clck.ru/EhLho>.

<http://tinyurl.com/yak4mez3> oilprice.com

At least three tankers loaded with liquefied natural gas (LNG) from Russian
LNG facility Yamal have arrived in the United States recently .. These
cargoes are not the first Yamal-originated LNG supply to have reached U.S.
coasts. In January this year, .. the Gaselys tanker carrying the first LNG
produced by Yamal arrived in Boston. ..

While Yamal cargoes arrive in America, the U.S. has been looking to sell
more of its growing LNG supply on the European market, to help Europe to
reduce its dependence on Russia's gas ..

...

After the anti-democratic 2014 coup, the regime in Kiev started buying gas in
Europe. It's the very same Russian gas, plus add-on price for transportation.
Such policies contributed to the suffering of ordinary Ukrainians.

The Euros can themselves follow this example as well.

Den Oude

2018-11-16 12:04:04 UTC

<http://tinyurl.com/yak4mez3> oilprice.com
At least three tankers loaded with liquefied natural gas (LNG) from
Russian LNG facility Yamal have arrived in the United States recently ..
These cargoes are not the first Yamal-originated LNG supply to have
reached U.S. coasts. In January this year, .. the Gaselys tanker
carrying the first LNG produced by Yamal arrived in Boston. ..
While Yamal cargoes arrive in America, the U.S. has been looking to sell
more of its growing LNG supply on the European market, to help Europe to
reduce its dependence on Russia's gas ..
...
After the anti-democratic 2014 coup, the regime in Kiev started buying gas in
Europe. It's the very same Russian gas, plus add-on price for
transportation.
Such policies contributed to the suffering of ordinary Ukrainians.
The Euros can themselves follow this example as well.

<?>
Fuck the EU???????????????

Den Oude

--
“ Den Oude “

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-17 18:47:36 UTC

<http://tinyurl.com/yczqjeyy> thelocal.fi

Finnish food authorities have rejected the Danish dairy's plans to unload
surplus cheese produced for Russia onto the Finnish market. Danish dairy
giant Arla thought it had found a solution to the negative impact of Russia's
ban on Western goods: send it to Finland. But Finnish authorities have
scuppered Arla's plans to unload cheese ..

...

The ban on EU's foods significantly stimulated developments of domestic food
productions in Russia. The farther away, the less likely the EU's producers
could return to the Russian market, so they should look for some new markets.
Even if the ban is lifted some day, the Euros will face tougher competition,
which can turn to be economically unprofitable for them.

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<http://tinyurl.com/yak4mez3>
At least three tankers loaded with liquefied natural gas (LNG) from Russian
LNG facility Yamal have arrived in the United States recently ..

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-13 00:21:15 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't make it
less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop desperate
migrants under the supervision of local warlords and potentates, will
surely create a pile-up that will first destabilize the regions in which
they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for Europe
anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I think
it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration camp to
deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During their
civil war, both North and South established a few such camps to keep POWs.
The English put the concept into production and introduced the very term
during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa. They kept the Dutch Boers in those
camps. Little later, the Germans used concentration camps in Namibia.

KPGH

2018-11-13 10:56:46 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't make
it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop desperate
migrants under the supervision of local warlords and potentates, will
surely create a pile-up that will first destabilize the regions in
which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for Europe
anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps to
keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and introduced
the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa. They kept the
Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans used
concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere else)
can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set up in the
US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and Sedition Acts,
might.

The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management of
displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a more
or less confined peace of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

het varken uit Stettin

2018-11-13 11:07:32 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't make
it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop desperate
migrants under the supervision of local warlords and potentates, will
surely create a pile-up that will first destabilize the regions in
which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for Europe
anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps to
keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and introduced
the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa. They kept the
Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans used
concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere else)
can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set up in the
US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and Sedition Acts,
might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management of
displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a more
or less confined peace of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Mmm, in that case it is debatable whether Dachau was a concentration
camp, as it was originally built for political delinquents. Although
after the war it was used as a 'real' concentration camp to put DP's in.

KPGH

2018-11-13 12:07:06 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't make
it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps
to keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and
introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa.
They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans
used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set
up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and
Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management
of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a
more or less confined piece of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent the
acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally introduced
to convey that those interned were in some way differed form the
'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus harming the
public interest.

I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a defense,
but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it would have
undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human right' as an
justification for Ex post facto prosecutions selectively applied to the
losers of WW2?

het varken uit Stettin

2018-11-13 12:09:41 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't make
it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps
to keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and
introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa.
They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans
used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set
up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and
Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management
of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a
more or less confined piece of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent the
acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally introduced
to convey that those interned were in some way differed form the
'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus harming the
public interest.
I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a defense,
but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it would have
undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human right' as an
justification for Ex post facto prosecutions selectively applied to the
losers of WW2?

And now in plain english...?

KPGH

2018-11-13 12:10:51 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't
make it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans.
During their civil war, both North and South established a few such
camps to keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and
introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa.
They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans
used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations
set up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien
and Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management
of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in
a more or less confined piece of territory made suitable for
temporary habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent
the acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally
introduced to convey that those interned were in some way differed
form the 'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus
harming the public interest.
I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a
defense, but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it would
have undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human right' as
an justification for Ex post facto prosecutions selectively applied to
the losers of WW2?

That should be 'unavoidability' :-)

het varken uit Stettin

2018-11-13 12:14:02 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't
make it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans.
During their civil war, both North and South established a few such
camps to keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and
introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa.
They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans
used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations
set up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien
and Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management
of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in
a more or less confined piece of territory made suitable for
temporary habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent
the acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally
introduced to convey that those interned were in some way differed
form the 'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus
harming the public interest.
I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a
defense, but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it would
have undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human right' as
an justification for Ex post facto prosecutions selectively applied to
the losers of WW2?

That should be 'unavoidability' :-)

BTW: I saw a picture of a gas chamber on the Dachau-page of wikipedia
(although not mentioned in the text). I thought that specific story was
laid to rest, but apparently not.

KPGH

2018-11-13 14:08:30 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't
make it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the
concentration camp to deal with unwanted populations on the
move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans.
During their civil war, both North and South established a few
such camps to keep POWs. The English put the concept into
production and introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war
in South Africa. They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little
later, the Germans used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations
set up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the
Alien and Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the
management of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by
concentration in a more or less confined piece of territory made
suitable for temporary habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Mmm, in that case it is debatable whether Dachau was a
concentration camp, as it was originally built for political
delinquents. Although after the war it was used as a 'real'
concentration camp to put DP's in.

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent
the acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally
introduced to convey that those interned were in some way differed
form the 'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus
harming the public interest.
I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a
defense, but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it
would have undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human
right' as an justification for Ex post facto prosecutions
selectively applied to the losers of WW2?

That should be 'unavoidability' :-)

BTW: I saw a picture of a gas chamber on the Dachau-page of wikipedia
(although not mentioned in the text). I thought that specific story
was laid to rest, but apparently not.

Don't see Relevancy. Since the end of 'the war to end all wars' and the
armistice, the population of especially Germany were probably (don't
know statistics regarding life expectancy and the like) dying all over
the place as a result of hardships imposed. That is, long before the
state started regulating and monopolizing the process. Sometimes
priorities shifted:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-suspends-euthanasia-program

At issue seems that the lessons from WW1 (and WW2 -- which probably
can't be separated) are again drowned in propaganda around 'evil losers'
that need to summit to the new order for all eternity, and 'conquering
heroes' that need reimbursement for all eternity.

In de US the realization seem to awaken that the Chinese, Russians and
probably soon Arabs won't play the game much longer, and that the era of
'soft power' is coming to an end. In Europe on the contrary, the
propaganda seems to becomes imposing as the situation becomes more desperate. :-)

het varken uit Stettin

2018-11-13 14:13:42 UTC

Post by Oleg Smirnov
<https://on.rt.com/9aup>
Libya, migrants & karma ..
22 Jul, 2018

Dismissing a story on the basis of it's alleged source doesn't
make it less (or more) correct.
The result of setting up camps near European shores to stop
desperate migrants under the supervision of local warlords and
potentates, will surely create a pile-up that will first
destabilize the regions in which they are located.
Eventually it will result in a tsunami of refugees heading for
Europe anyway.
I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the
concentration camp to deal with unwanted populations on the
move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans.
During their civil war, both North and South established a few
such camps to keep POWs. The English put the concept into
production and introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war
in South Africa. They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little
later, the Germans used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations
set up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the
Alien and Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the
management of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by
concentration in a more or less confined piece of territory made
suitable for temporary habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Mmm, in that case it is debatable whether Dachau was a
concentration camp, as it was originally built for political
delinquents. Although after the war it was used as a 'real'
concentration camp to put DP's in.

From what i vaguely recall, the term 'konzentrationlager' (apparent
the acronym 'KZ' was used for enhanced impression) was originally
introduced to convey that those interned were in some way differed
form the 'Volksgemeinschaft' and/or resisting 'Gleichschaltung' thus
harming the public interest.
I think during the Nuremberg trials the defense tried to introduce
'casus fortuitus' (unavailability in view of circumstance) as a
defense, but that was apparently cut short. Probably because it
would have undermined the argument for the preexistence of 'human
right' as an justification for Ex post facto prosecutions
selectively applied to the losers of WW2?

That should be 'unavoidability' :-)

BTW: I saw a picture of a gas chamber on the Dachau-page of wikipedia
(although not mentioned in the text). I thought that specific story
was laid to rest, but apparently not.

Do not forget that both the borders of Eastern Europe and Israel are
founded on this premisse. So there is no hurry to question it.

KPGH

2018-11-13 18:09:28 UTC

Post by KPGH
At issue seems that the lessons from WW1 (and WW2 -- which probably
can't be separated) are again drowned in propaganda around 'evil
losers' that need to submit to the new order for all eternity, and
'conquering heroes' that need reimbursement for all eternity.

Do not forget that both the borders of Eastern Europe and Israel are
founded on this premisse. So there is no hurry to question it.

Contrary to promises obviously made to Russia around the Reykjavik-summit
'in the spirit of frendship', nato advanced in eastern Europa until it
became apparent that any further encouragement (in Georgia en Ukraine)
would be considered a casus belli. So the post-WW2 arrangement is already
replaced with an update of naked 'gunboat diplomacy' -- that could turn
nasty if the feudal counsel of Europe ('European commission') would repeat
the mistakes of the 1930 at which time even Poland assumed it was a match
for the depleted German military -- and behaved accordingly.

Apartheid didn't work in south Africa, and there seems no reason to assume
it will work in the middle east. From the Arab perspective the division of
mandate-erea was clearly an abhorrence that since symbolized the inequity
of the post-war era. Nothing was done to mitigate that opinion as for a
time it seemed to be in the western interest to maintain it. But now china
(among others) seem to quietly use it to advance it's interest.

Europe is not now a (great) geopolitical power, and might do better to stay
neutral in maters in which it has little influence. Instead it might strive
tot build a constitution that would thwart the drift to conditions leading
to a new era of internal conflict and great inequity.

het varken uit Stettin

2018-11-13 20:50:05 UTC

Do not forget that both the borders of Eastern Europe and Israel are
founded on this premisse. So there is no hurry to question it.

Right! Nato manouvres at the border of Russia are normal; if the
Russians do the same inside their own borders, it is a provocation. How
stupid can the public be... For Petes' sake!

Oleg Smirnov

2018-11-14 00:23:05 UTC

I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps to
keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and introduced
the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa. They kept the
Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans used
concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere else)
can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set up in the
US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and Sedition Acts,
might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management of
displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a more
or less confined peace of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Well, in theory it might well be a neutral term, like you say, but due
to certain historical background, 'concentration camp' usually brings
negative prison-like connotation. 'Suitable for temporary habitation' is
how the English presented it with their wishful and/or double thinking.
Practically, their camps were close to camps for prisoners, essentially
similar to those American camps for POWs. And your Wikipaedia reference
tells about abnormally high mortality in those British camps.

KPGH

2018-11-14 13:46:32 UTC

I think the British tried this before unsuccessfully. In fact, I
think it was they that introduced the concept of the concentration
camp to deal with unwanted populations on the move. :-)

No, concentration camps were first invented by the Americans. During
their civil war, both North and South established a few such camps
to keep POWs. The English put the concept into production and
introduced the very term during the 2nd Boer war in South Africa.
They kept the Dutch Boers in those camps. Little later, the Germans
used concentration camps in Namibia.

I don't think that POW-camps during the US-civil war (or anywhere
else) can be classified as 'concentration camps'. (Accommodations set
up in the US for internment during WW1 and WW2 under the Alien and
Sedition Acts, might.
The essences behind the term seemed that it involved the management
of displaced (in some way distinct) populations by concentration in a
more or less confined peace of territory made suitable for temporary
habitation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Well, in theory it might well be a neutral term, like you say, but due
to certain historical background, 'concentration camp' usually brings
negative prison-like connotation. 'Suitable for temporary habitation'
is how the English presented it with their wishful and/or double
thinking. Practically, their camps were close to camps for prisoners,
essentially similar to those American camps for POWs. And your
Wikipaedia reference tells about abnormally high mortality in those
British camps.

Mortality rates and life expectancy are correlated with material (and
social) conditions everywhere. And not only geographical. Differences
between social classes in even industrial nations were as far as i know
always substantial, and are now widening again.

'Historical background' based on an ill-conceived interpretation of
history either elicited by spontaneous misconceptions or propganda, is a
false historical background.

Don't think that 'concentration camp' in the 'british definition' is
exactly a neutral term. 'Temporary habitation' effectively implies
'pending a solution' which, if it doesn't comes, will either cause the
camps to evaporate or camp-conditions to deteriorate.

To avoid the former it is therefore often (depending on geographical
conditions) necessary to increase the security at the periphery of such
camps to stop inhabitants from leaving and (pending the an elusive
solution) settling in the environment surrounding a camp.

Concentration camps along the Mediterranean (surrounded by hostile
indigenous populations who themselves have difficulty carving out a
living) luring desperate African populations to travel north, seemed
therefore destined to turn into giant deathtraps.

The proposal of such 'solutions' by European elites, apparently merely
to maintain existing privileges associated with now dilapidated small
national states, seem to reflect the insanitary nature of the current
European project and the urged need for a reset.

Preferably not of the Clinton type. :-)

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-23 22:19:07 UTC

<https://on.rt.com/9ktz>
Fraud 'on grand scale': Top journalist at reputable German magazine
faked his stories for YEARS

<https://on.rt.com/9l1m>
Game of deception: How a fraudster who faked his stories for years
got to be Germany's top reporter

<https://on.rt.com/9l2z>
Tanks on Maidan, president's gold bath & more outrageous Ukraine fakes
by disgraced Spiegel reporter

...

Der Spiegel is an Atlanticist asset, it's a mainstream European outlet
that basically follows the agenda that is called 'liberal' in the US (not
really liberal, as well as the American [mainstream] 'left' is not really
left), while focusing more on Europe's issues, and the Kremlin propaganda
looks certainly more sane in comparison with this stuff.

...

<http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/59455>
Putin's Q&A session, full video and transcript, FYI.

...

Watch the Kremlin propaganda about the Ukraine.

"Mass Desertion as Ukraine's Military Age Males Flee the Country .."

<http://tinyurl.com/hprxg5d>
The 'Post-Truth' Mainstream Media

Oleg Smirnov

2018-12-29 13:07:34 UTC