1950 R & B - Tape 2

[SavoyBG]

Just scanned in tape # 2 (of 6) in the 1950 R & B series:

http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg2/myhomepage/index.html

Fred, when you find this person who ONLY needs to have the time available to do
these tapes. make sure that he/she has a 78 turntable, as some of these items
were never reissued in any form. That way, when you somehow find a copy of the
78 in playable condition, this person will be able to play it.

SOME INTERESTING LESSER KNOWN ITEMS:

Still In The Dark - Pretty good pre-Atlantic Turner item.

Turkey Hop - Robins - Good uptempo number, part 2, later in the tape was the
same song as an instrumental.

Information Blues - Roy Milton - One of his best non-ballads.

3 x 7 = 21 - Wilhelms, tell your taper to be careful here, most every LP and CD
contain a totally different, later version of this rather than the 1950
release.

Back Biting Woman - Billy Wright - Savoy Special by Little Richard's mentor.

What's Happening - Paul Williams - Another good Savoy record, the same Connie
Allen who sings on "Rocket 69" is the vocalist.

Count Every Star - Ravens - classic early vocal group record.






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SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Intheway1]

Post by SavoyBG
Fred, when you find this person who ONLY needs to have the time available to do
these tapes. make sure that he/she has a 78 turntable, as some of these items
were never reissued in any form. That way, when you somehow find a copy of the
78 in playable condition, this person will be able to play it.

I am sure that someone from your beloved "coalition" will now come forward and
pat you on the back for creating your lists, now that you have begged for the
attention that I don't seem to be paying you. Be satisfied with that, Bruce.

But, really, you're right, Bruce. You are the only person with a 78 rpm
turntable in the entire world, and the only person with access to these 78s.
After all, as someone said on this very board, "only Grossberg could have seen
this mission through."

Oh, wait, that was you, wasn't it?

Never mind.

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
I am sure that someone from your beloved "coalition" will now come forward and
pat you on the back for creating your lists

What lists?

These aren't lists Fred, they are track listings from a small portion of a
monumental project that I undertook years ago. It's not just lists of songs
Fred, it's a series of tapes of all of the songs, and virtually every one of
them sounds excellent, and I still say that you'll never be able to find
someone to complete a project like this in 2004. It's just too much work, and
will get too frustrating when this person can't locate certain records, and
he's getting a gigantic head start by not having to do any research. All he has
to do is loocats all of the songs and put them on tape, CD, computer, whatever,
in the proper order.

Nobody's doing it Fred.

Over 20 years worth of music, over 10,000 songs.

Post by Intheway1
But, really, you're right, Bruce. You are the only person with a 78 rpm
turntable in the entire world, and the only person with access to these 78s.

The only person who with the turntable, the access, and the dedication to see
it through, yes.






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SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Intheway1]

Post by SavoyBG
These aren't lists Fred, they are track listings

Sorry.

I am sure that someone from your beloved "coalition" will now come forward and
pat you on the back for creating your LISTINGS.

Feel better now?

I really am sorry no one has showered you with praise for your LISTINGS so that
you have to beg for it from me. I realize it must have been a tough week for
you. No one said anything about you here at all for nearly a week, and you
have to resort to asking me to pick up the slack. How sad.

I'd love to be of more help, Bruce, but I pretty much limit myself these days
to laughing at the stupid things you post, and I generally leave the weirdly
pathetic ones like this to wither and die on their own. This self-imposed
restriction (its a focus, Bruce) leaves me plenty of opportunities, so don't
worry, I'm not neglecting you. Someone else is just going to have to step in
here.

Post by SavoyBG
Nobody's doing it Fred

And no one is building a life-size statute of John Kerry out of popsicle
sticks, either (tell me you aren't doing this, Dean).

Let us know when someone uses your LISTINGS to actually do something
substantive with them.

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
I am sure that someone from your beloved "coalition" will now come forward and
pat you on the back for creating your LISTINGS.

I didn't just create these listings Fred. I just posted them for the group to
see, as I think it does hold some interest for some people around here.

I would have done this a long time ago, but I just got a scanner recently, and
I don't have the info on a current computer, just on old 5 1/2 inch floppy
discs that I have no way of copying right now.

Thre are people from other places aside from this group who are aslo enjoying
the track listings Fred. This is not the only place that I frequent.

Post by Intheway1
I really am sorry no one has showered you with praise for your LISTINGS so that
you have to beg for it from me.

I'm not begging it from you Fred, I am mocking you for your preposterous
statement that "anybody could make those tapes if they had the time." That's
one of the reasons that I am posting the links here, so that the other members
can see how ludicrous your statement was as they look at the depth of the
series. The sheer amount of songs alone on these tapes would scare anybody off
from trying to duplicate them.

Post by Intheway1
I realize it must have been a tough week for
you. No one said anything about you here at all for nearly a week, and you
have to resort to asking me to pick up the slack. How sad.

Actually I've been busy with other projects and couldn't really care less if
anybody says anything about me, especially you.

Post by Intheway1
I'd love to be of more help, Bruce, but I pretty much limit myself these days
to laughing at the stupid things you post,

You must be awful somber lately.

Probably tyhe stupidest thing ever posted in this group is you saying that
"anybody could dupliacte these tapes, all they need is the time."

Post by Intheway1
Let us know when someone uses your LISTINGS to actually do something
substantive with them.

What would make them substantive Fred, if they generate income?

Unless there's some other answer, they are substantive all on their own, as an
incredible documentation of the history of this music. It doesn't matter if
they nmever leave my house Fred, they are already substantive.






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SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Intheway1]

--Tedious self-justification clipped--

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
Let us know when someone uses your LISTINGS to actually do something
substantive with them.

What would make them substantive Fred, if they generate income?

You keep going back to money, although I've never mentioned it as a yardstick.
You seem to believe that the only measure of substance I adhere to is
financial, even though you haven't got anything to base that on. The most
recent time time you made this mistake, I pointed out that doing something
substantive would simply involve adding something to a broader understanding
and appreciation of our culture. You don't need to make a dime off it.

Post by SavoyBG
Unless there's some other answer,

There is

they are substantive all on their own, as

Post by SavoyBG
an
incredible documentation of the history of this music. It doesn't matter if
they nmever leave my house Fred, they are already substantive.

I understand you wanting to set your own definitions where you see fit, but
this seems to place the bar awfully low. I'm sure the John Kerry popsicle
stick sculptor also believes he has created an "incredible" documentation, too.
Remember that guy I told you about, the one who tracked the serial number of
every dollar bill that crossed his hands for decades? That was some incredible
documentation, too.

If it were up to me, I would leave "incredible" and other superlative
adjectives up to the people who actually make use of what you've done for some
purpose that increases our understanding and appreciation of the culture these
LISTINGS represent. If the work is that important to be "incredible," you
won't have to say so yourself. Someone else will say it for you. It is the
difference between being a legend, and a "legend in your own mind," if you
understand the difference.

(Admittedly, I agree "incredible" might be a good word to describe you
personally, as it means "not believable," like that Ruppli reference you made
up.}

Have we talked enough about you now?

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
If the work is that important to be "incredible," you
won't have to say so yourself. Someone else will say it for you.

Dozens already have, people who were around years ago when I was playing these
tapes at work, and they checked out the "listings" and the extent of the
series, and used all those superlatives.

Since these are all backed up on reel to reel, I even loaned the cassettes to
several people, one year at a time, for them to listen to and absorb the
series. Every one of those people who had that experience was amazed that
something like this could be accomplished.

Post by Intheway1
It is the
difference between being a legend, and a "legend in your own mind," if you
understand the difference.

Nobody's a legend here Fred, but as I continue to post the "listings" it's
going to become more and more clear to everybody here that you are an ass for
trying to discredit a project like this.

If it was anybody else but me posting this you either would not comment, or you
would say something positive. You obviously have let your personal feeling
effect your comments about this project.

Interesting that you would criticize me for the FYC call, saying that I
shouldn't let my "ego" get involved in calling the game. Based on your byas
towards me and this project, you'd make a terrible umpire Fred. You obviously
let your emotions control you. If I was a player, and you were an umpire, you
would never be able to just call the game fairly, once you decided that you
didn't like me.

Maybe people around here would respect you more if you showed that you can put
your personal feelings aside and just acknowledge that something (this
projuect) is good, rather than attempting to somehow diminish it.

Post by Intheway1
Have we talked enough about you now?

You started talking about me. All I did was scan in something and post a link
for the music fans here to see, and to show them how ludicrous your prior
statement was about "anyone" being able to do this if they had the time.






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SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Intheway1]

Post by SavoyBG
Dozens already have, people who were around years ago when I was playing these
tapes at work, and they checked out the "listings" and the extent of the
series, and used all those superlatives.

Great, then you don't need me to inflate your ego any further.

Post by SavoyBG
Since these are all backed up on reel to reel, I even loaned the cassettes to
several people, one year at a time, for them to listen to and absorb the
series. Every one of those people who had that experience was amazed that
something like this could be accomplished.

I am surprised that no one has called you the Mother Teresa of R&B yet. Or
maybe they have.

Look, Bruce, it is obvious you feel the need to keep blowing your own horn. Go
to it, just don't expect me to think you're contributing anything musical when
you do it. You are just drawing attention to yourself.

Post by SavoyBG
Nobody's a legend here Fred, but as I continue to post the "listings" it's
going to become more and more clear to everybody here that you are an ass for
trying to discredit a project like this.

I guess we'll see about that. Either you will finally be appreciated as the
historian you want so desperately to be, or you will be seen as the pathetic
little man who has to continue to draw attention to himself by
self-glorifyication of his petty little projects by giving them importance they
don't really deserve. You obviously want some validation for you monomania, or
you wouldn't react the way you do when I point out how silly that is.

I know which way my vote is going on that one. Even you can't point to any
creative or original contribution in your projects. All you can praise is your
own "dedication."

Post by SavoyBG
If it was anybody else but me posting this you either would not comment, or you
would say something positive. You obviously have let your personal feeling
effect your comments about this project.

Hey, Bruce. Go back to the beginning of this thread. You called me out,
remember? It's tough to act like a victim here when you made the first move.
Either take it like a man or just shut up about yourself.

---rest of a long rambling and irrelevant post clipped---

Nice try to avoid the subject, again, but all the smoke you put up has nothing
to do with the fact that nothing substantive has come out of all your work on
this mission, a point you haven't even tried to respond to.

A while back I called your project the mental equivalent of masturbation, and
I've
seen nothing that shows me my assessment was wrong. For reasons that continue
to escape me, you want my approval, or at least my admission that your
"project" actually means something other than you spent thousands of hours
compiling LISTINGS that serve no earthly purpose other than to give you some
desperately craved feeling of accomplishment.

You have amassed a great pile of factual information, Bruce. Do something with
it. Explain why it is important. Explain what it means. Illuminate us to
some fact other than that you have collected a lot of facts.
Until you do so, I will be unimpressed with your claims of "incredibility."

Sorry.

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
Even you can't point to any
creative or original contribution in your projects.

Sure I can. Lots of people before me have made tapes of the hits of a given
year, but I was the first to sequence the songs chronologically within each
year, so that the experience of hearing the records in context could be
duplicated as closely as possible.

Post by Intheway1
It's tough to act like a victim here when you made the first move.
Either take it like a man or just shut up about yourself.

That's the point. I f you were a "man" you would just admit that you
underestimated the enormity of this project, and admit that you were wrong
about "anybody" being able to do it, rather than thinking that because you were
"called out" that you have to respong aggresively against me and the project.

People around here would have more rwspect for you if you said, "you know what,
Bruce, you're still an asshole in my opinion, but this series is really prretty
damn good."

Post by Intheway1
Nice try to avoid the subject, again, but all the smoke you put up has nothing
to do with the fact that nothing substantive has come out of all your work on
this mission, a point you haven't even tried to respond to.

I have to take the 5th amendment on this point.

Post by Intheway1
you spent thousands of hours
compiling LISTINGS

Once again Fred. These are not listings. They are tapes that document the
history of R & B over a long period of time.

If someone could walk into a library and have access to them, as a means of
studying the evolution of the music, they would be a great tool for people
looking to study that evolution. While they will not be in a library any time
soon (hopefully), they are available to be loaned to anyone that I feel has a
genuine interest in that evolution, and is not just looking for a way to obtain
a lot of great music for free, by copying the tapes for himself while they are
in his posession.

Post by Intheway1
You have amassed a great pile of factual information, Bruce. Do something with
it.

I have Fred, I've taken the factual information and gathere up all of the music
that the information is about, and banded it together to document the evolution
of the music.

Post by Intheway1
Explain why it is important. Explain what it means. Illuminate us to
some fact other than that you have collected a lot of facts.

No explanation is needed on this for anybody who loves the music. It's apparent
just by looking at the lists, but would obviously be a lot more obvious if one
could actually listen to the tapes while using the lists as a listening guide
on their journey through the history of R & B.

Post by Intheway1
Until you do so, I will be unimpressed with your claims of "incredibility."

Suit yourself, you just come off as more and more of the condescending ass that
our friend from France identified you as.

Post by Intheway1
Sorry.

Why be sorry, you responded exactly as I wanted you to. By steadfastingly
refusing to acknowledge the worthiness of this project, you just prove your
pettiness over personal grudges cannot be overlooked when you see something
that should be commended.






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SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Intheway1]

Post by SavoyBG
Lots of people before me have made tapes of the hits of a given
year, but I was the first to sequence the songs chronologically within each
year,

So, you invented chronology? Before you, no one had any idea that 1951 came
before 1952, or January before February?
This is beyond "incredible," this is fucking astounding!

C'mon, Bruce. There is nothing creative about putting things in chronological
order, any more than if you decided to do it alphabetically.

Post by SavoyBG
People around here would have more rwspect for you if you said, "you know what,
Bruce, you're still an asshole in my opinion, but this series is really prretty
damn good."

Well, you're half right. You ARE an asshole. Whether or not the music in the
series is good or not is something entirely separate from the fact that you put
it in chronological order. Do you really think you are the only person who
could have done that?

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
Nice try to avoid the subject, again, but all the smoke you put up has nothing
to do with the fact that nothing substantive has come out of all your work

on

Post by Intheway1
this mission, a point you haven't even tried to respond to.

I have to take the 5th amendment on this point.

If this was a court of law, we wouldn't be able to draw any inference from your
refusal to answer. Since we are not bound by the same restrictions on Usenet
(and after all, Bruce, the 5th Amendment is one of those legal "technicalities"
that prevent the guilty from getting their due, right?), your refusal to answer
is as good as an admission that nothing substantive has come out of your
"massive project."

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
you spent thousands of hours
compiling LISTINGS

Once again Fred. These are not listings.

A couple posts ago, you corrected me when I called them lists, telling me they
were LISTINGS. Now they're not LISTINGS.


They are tapes that document the

Post by SavoyBG
history of R & B over a long period of time.

I haven't seen you post a tape yet. So far, all I've seen are LISTINGS.

Post by SavoyBG
If someone could walk into a library and have access to them, as a means of
studying the evolution of the music, they would be a great tool for people
looking to study that evolution. While they will not be in a library any time
soon (hopefully), they are available to be loaned to anyone that I feel has a
genuine interest in that evolution, and is not just looking for a way to obtain
a lot of great music for free, by copying the tapes for himself while they are
in his posession.

There are enough conditional statements in that paragraph to keep the UN going
for months: "if the tapes were in a library," "available to any one I feel has
a genuine interest."

I'm truly tired of talking about you now.

Face facts, Bruce. The tapes are not in a library, and no one has used them as
a tool, except you, and the only thing you've built with that tool has been
your own self-image.

Post by SavoyBG
I have Fred, I've taken the factual information and gathere up all of the music
that the information is about, and banded it together to document the evolution
of the music.

And what can you tell us about the evolution of the music?

C'mon, Bruce, drop some pearls before this swine, who somehow doesn't
appreciate the incredible contribution you've made.

Tell me something about the music on those tapes, Bruce. Explain one step in
the "evolution."

Post by SavoyBG
No explanation is needed on this for anybody who loves the music.

Then all your work is useless to begin with if the explanation isn't necessary.

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
So, you invented chronology?

No, I conceived it as an idea for presenting a historical perspective on music.
If oyu know of someone who predates me with doing this for the evolution of R &
B, please let me know who it is.

Post by Intheway1
Do you really think you are the only person who
could have done that?

No, but i"m the first person who did do it.

Post by Intheway1
your refusal to answer
is as good as an admission that nothing substantive has come out of your
"massive project."

Whatever you say, counseler.

Post by Intheway1
I haven't seen you post a tape yet. So far, all I've seen are LISTINGS.

And I'm not going to post the tapes. It this what's this is about, that you are
merely knocking the listings?

Since I can't, and wouldn't, post the music, the listing are there to
demonstrate what the music on the tapes is about. If your argument is that I
shouldn't post the lsitings because they don't mean anything, I think they
could provoke some discourse here in the group, just as the listings of 1965
have provoked some things. You yourself were involved answering a question
about Freddie Hughes that came about as a result of these "useless" listings.

Post by Intheway1
I'm truly tired of talking about you now.

Good.

Post by Intheway1
Face facts, Bruce. The tapes are not in a library, and no one has used them as
a tool, except you, and the only thing you've built with that tool has been
your own self-image.

Actually, you're wrong. A couple of radio DJ's have used them as a tool for
music to program their shows with.

They have also been used as a tool to help sell records, both in Relic when I
was there, and in a few other stores whose owners have copies of portions of
the series.

Post by Intheway1
And what can you tell us about the evolution of the music?

Plenty, but I'll let you figure it out for yourself when your guy find the time
to duplicate the series.







MY LISTS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg/myhomepage/index.html
SURVEYS - http://hometown.aol.com/savoybg1/myhomepage/index.html

[Bill Bugge]

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
So, you invented chronology?

No, I conceived it as an idea for presenting a historical perspective on music.
If oyu know of someone who predates me with doing this for the evolution of R &
B, please let me know who it is.

Post by Intheway1
Do you really think you are the only person who
could have done that?

No, but i"m the first person who did do it.

God, what an insufferable egomaniac. The first to ever use chronology to
present the history of R&B. Yeah, right! There are any number of R&B box
sets which do just that. This one, for example:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000033EL/qid=1100382053/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-5084709-7955047

Here's another, though for a single label:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002IRS/qid=1100382797/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-5084709-7955047

Of all your astounding claims, this one is probably the most ridiculous.

By the way, if you put ALL your "accomplishments", including your lists,
your CHRONOLOGICAL tapes and your induction into a beer league hall of fame
on a scale like the scale of justice, they wouldn't even budge the scale
compared to Fred's smallest success in collecting royalties for one singer.
Even if you yourself joined your "accomplishments" on one side of the scale
with Fred's smallest royalty victory on the other, your side would still be
outweighed by Fred's.

Bill

[Dean F.]

Bill Bugge wrote:

[snipped]

Bill! You're back. But not for long, I bet! :-)

[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by Dean F.
[snipped]
Bill! You're back. But not for long, I bet! :-)

Hey, don't be so pessimistic.

Welcome home, BB.

[SavoyBG]

From: "Bill Bugge"
The first to ever use chronology to
present the history of R&B.

Im not talking a minor box set with 60 or 80 songs bug, I'm talkine the ENTIRE
history of R & B, virtually EVERY notable record for over a 20 year period,
meticulously presented in precise chronologocal order. Not just year by year
like Rhino box set, where they have no idea whether the record was around in
January or October.

Besides, these box sets came out long after these tapes wre made up, which was
20 to 25 years ago, so even if you were correct about their chronologicalizing
things, they did so WAY after I did.

compared to Fred's smallest success in collecting royalties for one singer.

Who's comparing anybody to Fred?

I would lose the battle with any lawyer who's done anything positive for any
client. The fact that Fred's specialty involves music makes his accomplishments
no greater than any lawyer who does a good job for a client.

I know one thing though, I've made a much greater mark on the game of baseball
than you have Bugge.







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[Bob Roman]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:31:40 GMT, "Bill Bugge"
<***@optonline.net.invalid> wrote:

BILL!! Welcome home.

Bob Roman

[PRowan9262]

Post by Bob Roman
BILL!! Welcome home.
Bob Roman

Wow!!

A guy felates Fred on line and the other acolytes fall all over themselves in
clutching him to their flabby lactic lacking bosums, baby!!

Dennis C from Tennessee

[SavoyBG]

Post by PRowan9262
A guy felates Fred on line and the other acolytes fall all over themselves in
clutching him to their flabby lactic lacking bosums, baby!!

ROFL!!!!!




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[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by PRowan9262

Post by Bob Roman
BILL!! Welcome home.
Bob Roman

Wow!!
A guy felates Fred on line and the other acolytes fall all over themselves in
clutching him to their flabby lactic lacking bosums, baby!!

Must you be a dumb prick about everything?

[SavoyBG]

From: Mark Dintenfass
Must you be a dumb prick about everything?

You must be talking to Fred.

Dennis is throwing in some humor. Fred is the vile one in this thread.




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[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by SavoyBG

From: Mark Dintenfass
Must you be a dumb prick about everything?

You must be talking to Fred.
Dennis is throwing in some humor. Fred is the vile one in this thread.

Dennis is about as funny as a kid I knew in 6th grade whose idea of a
joke was picking his nose and flicking the boogers around the room. For
entertainment value, I'd sooner read Sharx. And for the purpose of the
group, music, Dennis contributes nothing at all. Why do you keep
defending him? Are you some kind of eunuch?

[Jim Colegrove]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:31:40 GMT, "Bill Bugge"

Post by Bill Bugge

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
So, you invented chronology?

No, I conceived it as an idea for presenting a historical perspective on music.
If oyu know of someone who predates me with doing this for the evolution of R &
B, please let me know who it is.

Post by Intheway1
Do you really think you are the only person who
could have done that?

No, but i"m the first person who did do it.

God, what an insufferable egomaniac. The first to ever use chronology to
present the history of R&B. Yeah, right! There are any number of R&B box
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000033EL/qid=1100382053/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-5084709-7955047
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002IRS/qid=1100382797/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-5084709-7955047
Of all your astounding claims, this one is probably the most ridiculous.
By the way, if you put ALL your "accomplishments", including your lists,
your CHRONOLOGICAL tapes and your induction into a beer league hall of fame
on a scale like the scale of justice, they wouldn't even budge the scale
compared to Fred's smallest success in collecting royalties for one singer.
Even if you yourself joined your "accomplishments" on one side of the scale
with Fred's smallest royalty victory on the other, your side would still be
outweighed by Fred's.
Bill

Hello Bill!


Jim Colegrove

[Intheway1]

Post by Bill Bugge
God, what an insufferable egomaniac. The first to ever use chronology to
present the history of R&B. Yeah, right! There are any number of R&B box

Bill,

Welcome back.

Thanks for picking up the slack on Bruce's invention of chronology. I was busy
trying to find an email address for Stephen Hawking so I could warn him there
was a new gun in town.

I hate to bring the name up, only because the last time I did it spurred Bruce
to his only truly creative moment (unfortunately, the only thing he created
that time was a citation to a book thad doesn't exist), but Michael Ruppli was
doing complete and detailed chronologies while Bruce was still being held down
by the guys who let him hang around and forced to listen to Scott Muni.

And thanks for the kind words about my work, but this thread is all about
Bruce, and the puzzling lack of respect I show for his accomplishment, which is
"incredible" even if he has to say so himself (and he has had to say so
himself).

I don't know why he isn't satisfied with the love and adoration of those DJs,
and the guys from the record stores, and those dozens of people who have been
allowed to actually see the tapes and touch them once Bruce is convinced they
are pure of heart. For some reason, he has to convince me, even though I am
not respected here because I don't think what he has done is all that
incredible.

Go figure.

[PRowan9262]

Post by Intheway1
I was busy
trying to find an email address for Stephen Hawking so I could warn him there
was a new gun in town.

As I'm busy trying to find Kitty Wells e-mail to tell her there's a bigger old
pussy in Nashville than hers, baby!!!

Dennis C from Tennessee

[SavoyBG]

Post by PRowan9262
As I'm busy trying to find Kitty Wells e-mail to tell her there's a bigger old
pussy in Nashville than hers, baby!!!

You hit the nail on the head Dennis.

Let's face it, Wilhelms is nothing but a guy with big internet muscles. He'll
belittle me, call me names, try to diminish me, whatever he can, as long as he
knows that he'll never have to look me in the face when he's doing it.

Once he thought that there was even a possibility that this 150 pound terror
from NJ might be coming to his area, he went running to the police like the
cunt that he is.

Now that he's fairly sure that I'm not a crazed stalker, maybe he would be
interested in getting together some time and discussing this in person,
perhaps, you, me, Fred, and a companion for Fred (I'm sure he'll hire an armed
bodyguard), if he is willing, and let's see if he is man enough to behave this
way towards me in person.

Another thing. He says that I'm disturbed, yet he continues to call me names,
belittle me, etc....

If I'm disturbed, that means that I'm mentally ill, and that what he's doing is
pretty damn despicable.

Bob Roman, what do you think is worse, being mean to newbies on the internet
(keep in mind that I may only be doing this because I'm mentally ill), or
berating a mentally ill person?

I can't be an asshole, and also be disturbed, because if I'm disturbed, aka
mentally ill, then my behavior is not my fault. I have a medical condition
(according to Fred) that causes me to behave this way.

So which is it Fred, am I disturbed, or am I just an asshole?

By the way, Bob and Mark, what do you guys think of these tapes that I have
been posting the info on. Do you agree with Fred that I accomplished nothing
substantial here?






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[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by SavoyBG
By the way, Bob and Mark, what do you guys think of these tapes that I have
been posting the info on. Do you agree with Fred that I accomplished nothing
substantial here?

Sorry, Bruce, I long ago decided there's no profit getting between you
and Fred. Why don't you ask your pal Dennis?

[SavoyBG]

From: Mark Dintenfass
Sorry, Bruce, I long ago decided there's no profit getting between you
and Fred.

This has nothing to do with me and Fred, I'm asking you your opinion about
something I've done. I can take it if you agree with Fred on this issue, and
I'm sure he can take it if you don't.

If you prefer, send me an e-mail and let me know, and we'll keep it between you
and me.







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[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by SavoyBG

From: Mark Dintenfass
Sorry, Bruce, I long ago decided there's no profit getting between you
and Fred.

This has nothing to do with me and Fred, I'm asking you your opinion about
something I've done. I can take it if you agree with Fred on this issue, and
I'm sure he can take it if you don't.
If you prefer, send me an e-mail and let me know, and we'll keep it between you
and me.
Your refusal to give your opinion speaks volumes Mark.
Since you (and Roman) have never had any problems critcizing me in the past,
we
all know that in this case you both realize that Fred is being an obstinate
asshole here regarding these tapes, and you both agree with me that this
series
is a pretty incredible project.
Apparently neither of you has the balls to take a stand if it would risk
alienating Fred.
Dintenfass and Roman, the eunuchs of the newsgroup.

Gee, Bruce, give a guy a chance to wake up. It may be hard for you to
imagine, but some of us have lives outside the group.

Whatever I might have said to your first post has already been made
moot by your second post. The fact that you rushed to ther attack so
stupidly speaks volumes, to use your cliche, about how much Fred has
gotten under your skin about the tapes. Why do you care what he says?
Why don't you just ignore him?

As for the eunuch crack, the only one around here who seems to be
thinking constantly about the state of everybody's balls is you.

[Bob Roman]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:59:18 -0600, Mark Dintenfass
That's Central Time. And the 10:30 post (11:30 EST) was a follow-up.

I've got that he posted the original challenge at 8:50 PM last night
and the indignant riposte to our non-response at 8:51 AM this morning.
I picture him checking his watch last night and saying, OK I'll give
them exactly 12 hours before I question the health of their gonads.

Post by Mark Dintenfass
Gee, Bruce, give a guy a chance to wake up. It may be hard for you to
imagine, but some of us have lives outside the group.

I saw "Ray" again last night. A friend hadn't seen it and asked if I
want to go. I jumped at the chance. The second time through the
first half hour or so really drags. If I ever get the DVD I'm only
going to watch it starting from when Ray arrives at Atlantic.

Bob Roman

[SavoyBG]

From: Mark Dintenfass
Sorry, Bruce, I long ago decided there's no profit getting between you
and Fred.

Your refusal to give your opinion speaks volumes Mark.

Since you (and Roman) have never had any problems critcizing me in the past, we
all know that in this case you both realize that Fred is being an obstinate
asshole here regarding these tapes, and you both agree with me that this series
is a pretty incredible project.

Apparently neither of you has the balls to take a stand if it would risk
alienating Fred.

Dintenfass and Roman, the eunuchs of the newsgroup.






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[Bob Roman]

Post by SavoyBG
Dintenfass and Roman, the eunuchs of the newsgroup.

Tut, tut, Bruce. It's not nice to insult the people from whom you are
seeking personal affirmation.

Bob Roman

[Intheway1]

Post by SavoyBG
Apparently neither of you has the balls to take a stand if it would risk
alienating Fred.
Dintenfass and Roman, the eunuchs of the newsgroup.

Maybe they just think your pitiful pleas for attention aren't worth keeping the
thread alive. Maybe they are still recovering from the laughing fits caused by
your claim to have invented chronological study of music. As tough as it will
be for you to accept, Bob and Mark are smart enough to think for themselves.

You really do believe there is a conspiracy against you, don't you? You really
believe that no one can possibly come to the conclusion on his or her own that
you are a self-inflating gasbag?

I guess everyone has to agree the posted results of your mental masturbation
are "incredible." If they don't they're eunichs.
As your achievements cannot be questioned (after all, there is all that acclaim
you say you have gotten, though no one else has ever seen), there must be some
nefarious plot to make you look stupid for no good reason, and I am the
ringleader who cannot be alienated out of fear of...well, I haven't a clue what
they would be afraid of, do you?

There can be no other explanation, right?

How utterly sad.

You think the reason that Roger, who usually finds something good to say about
you, has been silent this time is that he has looked at his copy of Leadbitter
and seen a copyright date of 1968? Sometime before you "invented" chronology?

Hell, that statement was so ludicrous that it brought Bill back from the dead
to laugh at you. For that alone, you deserve the thanks of the group, although
I doubt it is what you intended.

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
Maybe they just think your pitiful pleas for attention aren't worth keeping the
thread alive.

You saw Mark's answer, he learned that "there's no profit" in getting in
between you and me, meaning that it's a lose/sose situation for him, and that
he'd rather sit on the fence.

Post by Intheway1
Maybe they are still recovering from the laughing fits caused by
your claim to have invented chronological study of music.

I said nothing of the kind. I said I was the first person to place the hitory
of R & B music on tapes in precise chronological order, not just year by year,
but week by week.

Post by Intheway1
As tough as it will
be for you to accept, Bob and Mark are smart enough to think for themselves.

I know that, but they are not honest or brave enough to take a stand against
anything you've ever said around here, like our French friend Lud has done, and
like some others (Todd Lucas) have done. I don't think that Mark and Bob are
any smarter than those guys, just a bit more testosteronilly challenged maybe,
or perhaps it's just loyalty to you, who they are closer with than to me. Bob
certainly has always spoekn up in our debates when he agrees with you. I have
to regard his silence to mean that he doesn't in this case.

Post by Intheway1
You think the reason that Roger, who usually finds something good to say about
you, has been silent this time is that he has looked at his copy of Leadbitter
and seen a copyright date of 1968? Sometime before you "invented" chronology?

See above, I never claimed to have invented chronology. I calim to have been
the first, and maybe only person, to put this msuic together, this thouroughly,
in orecise chronological order.

Post by Intheway1
Hell, that statement was so ludicrous that it brought Bill back from the dead
to laugh at you.

I refute Bill's point about the box sets, as my tapes pre-date them by many
years, so hopefully he'll stay away for another year or two.






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[Mark Dintenfass]

Post by SavoyBG

Post by Intheway1
Maybe they just think your pitiful pleas for attention aren't worth keeping the
thread alive.

You saw Mark's answer, he learned that "there's no profit" in getting in
between you and me, meaning that it's a lose/sose situation for him, and that
he'd rather sit on the fence.

Standing aside while two people claw at each other about nothing more
than mutual dislike is not at all like sitting on the fence. Of course,
for you belligerence and discussion are pretty much the same thing so
you probably can't understand the difference.

[Bill Bugge]

Post by SavoyBG
See above, I never claimed to have invented chronology. I calim to have been
the first, and maybe only person, to put this msuic together, this thouroughly,
in orecise chronological order.

Finally, an explanation for his bizarre behavior- brain damage.

Bill

[Mr. M]

Bill

Welcome back,

Mr. M

[Intheway1]

Post by Bill Bugge
Finally, an explanation for his bizarre behavior- brain damage.

And if Dennis is any indication, he's a carrier, too.

[PRowan9262]

Post by Intheway1
As tough as it will
be for you to accept, Bob and Mark are smart enough to think for themselves.

Not really!!

Bob and Mark fall into that sheep-like trap of kow-towing to goofs who project
a sense of importance or influence like you, Fred!!!

Mark Dintefriss is the worst of the lot!!!

Presenting himself as someone who doesn't want to commit himself in the middle
of a "clawing match" when Bruce asks his opinion of his laborious historical
opus!!!

All Bruce ask was his opinion of his work and Dinty, moore or less, haughtily
looks down his booger-preserved nostrils at the notion!!

Mark Densenfass has never been above any fray in here!!

Remember his ham fisted attempts to paint Scarlotti as a racist?

Markie!!

You have feigned insusiance but have manifested impuissance, sir!!

You are a tartuffle of the first degree!!!

It's time for you to grab yourself by the pleated and bunched up crotch of
your baggy papaw britches and in a high piercing proalmation that would make
Lou Christie proud, shout out:

"I'm a man"!!!

Diffidentfass!!!

Show some courage for a change, old boy!!!

Finally show this newsgroup that there IS a Mark of excellance and
differentiate yourself in some way from Dashevsky so we can all know that there
is indeed a discrete and intrepid Markie D in yo timorous ass, baby!!!

Don't let your backbone slip at this chance Markamighty!!!


Dennis C from Tennessee

[Dean F.]

Post by PRowan9262
Bob and Mark fall into that sheep-like trap of kow-towing to goofs who project
a sense of importance or influence like you, Fred!!!
Mark Dintefriss is the worst of the lot!!!

Dennis, you're so full of shit, you must fart through your ears! Bob
Roman and Mark Dintenfass contribute more worthwhile material to this
group in a week than your dumb ass has posted the entire time you've
been regurgitating your idiot-savant babblings around here.

So, what's the problem, Dennis? Did your mommy keep on breast-feeding
you until you were in high school? Speaking of which, I'll bet you were
one of the kids who got picked on a lot. That's what made you such a
bitter, hateful douche bag who can't stand anyone who has accomplished
more in life than you have. Right?

Believe it or not, Dennis, some people continue their education beyond
high school. The next level is known as "college." And yes, Bob and Mark
both went to college. And no, they aren't willing to dumb down their
postings to placate the petulant, callow jerk-off contingent of these
Usenet groups. Fuck you if you don't approve!

People like Dennis are the reason I believe that abortion not only
should be legal, but retroactive.

[Bob Roman]

Post by Dean F.
And yes, Bob and Mark
both went to college.

But it only took getting to 6th grade for Mark to capture the essence
of Dennis.

Bob Roman

[PRowan9262]

Post by Dean F.
People like Dennis are the reason I believe that abortion not only
should be legal, but retroactive.

That leaves you gametically unscathed, Mr. Fiora!!!

Post by Dean F.
The next level is known as "college." And yes, Bob and Mark
both went to college

What's it take to go to college, Dean.....a #2 pencil?

Hellfire, boy............I went to college, baby!!!

Graduated too!!!

Whoopie do!!!

Post by Dean F.
And no, they aren't willing to dumb down their
postings to placate the petulant, callow jerk-off contingent of these
Usenet groups.

Too late!!!

They already have!!

Deano!! I ain't denigratin' these boys' contributions or
intelligence......they are eat up with all that!!!

I just think they should not be lemming themselves into the Whilhelmic sea,
baby!!!

I guess all you have to do is to pose for a picture with an old washed up
trilling negress and the mellow meliorists will follow you anywhere!!!

Post by Dean F.
That's what made you such a
bitter, hateful douche bag who can't stand anyone who has accomplished
more in life than you have. Right?

My accomplishments manifest themselves in the above harangue, baby!!!


Dean.............You complete me!!

Dennis C from Tennessee

[Bob Roman]

Post by SavoyBG
By the way, Bob and Mark, what do you guys think of these tapes that I have
been posting the info on. Do you agree with Fred that I accomplished nothing
substantial here?

I'm sorry, what exactly is the issue at hand here? If your argument
is that you put a lot of work into the project, it sounds like that it
correct. But I thought the issue Fred was disputing was whether the
project made you "a historian." As I understood it, his position is
that to be any kind of scholar someone needs to use the tools of
analysis, interpretation, and communication. I actually agree with
that position.

It sounds like you put together a cool set of mix tapes. I understand
your pleasure in seeing a big project through to completion. But I
don't see why you want to inflate what you did accomplish here
(gathering together a bunch of recordings) as something "substantial"
to the world at large.

Bob Roman

[SavoyBG]

Post by Intheway1
For some reason, he has to convince me,

I don't want to convince you, I want you to keep spitting into the wind as I
methodically post these things one by one for the next few months, and make you
look like an idoit for saying that anybody who had the time could do it.






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[PRowan9262]

Post by Intheway1
I know which way my vote is going on that one. Even you can't point to any
creative or original contribution in your projects.

I can point to one!!

Bruce's projected meeting with me in Nashville contributed to you secreting
ureic acid in rivulets down your knobby knees and into your argyle stockings,
baby!!!

Bruce also came up with the photo of you which contributed to the other
posters sharing a hilarious revelry at your Green Bay Packer mouthpiece look!!!

Hey !!

Let us have a track listing of chickenshit bastards of the 50's group!!!

I vote Fred right there at the top, baby!!

Dennis C from Tennessee

[x***@earthlink.net]

Post by Intheway1

Post by SavoyBG
These aren't lists Fred, they are track listings

Sorry.
I am sure that someone from your beloved "coalition" will now come forward and
pat you on the back for creating your LISTINGS.
Feel better now?
I really am sorry no one has showered you with praise for your LISTINGS so that
you have to beg for it from me. I realize it must have been a tough week for
you. No one said anything about you here at all for nearly a week, and you
have to resort to asking me to pick up the slack. How sad.
I'd love to be of more help, Bruce, but I pretty much limit myself these days
to laughing at the stupid things you post, and I generally leave the weirdly
pathetic ones like this to wither and die on their own. This self-imposed
restriction (its a focus, Bruce) leaves me plenty of opportunities, so don't
worry, I'm not neglecting you. Someone else is just going to have to step in
here.

Post by SavoyBG
Nobody's doing it Fred

And no one is building a life-size statute of John Kerry out of popsicle
sticks, either (tell me you aren't doing this, Dean).

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Post by Intheway1
Let us know when someone uses your LISTINGS to actually do something
substantive with them.

[Dean F.]

Post by Intheway1
And no one is building a life-size statute of John Kerry out of popsicle
sticks, either (tell me you aren't doing this, Dean).

Uhh.... No, I'm not! But thanks for your concern. ;-)

[Thank god Fred didn't ask if I was building a life-size statue of
Daniel J. Travanti out of discarded margarine containers! That would
have REALLY embarrassed me!]