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CWG scam: CBI raids Kalmadi aides for fraud
TNN, Nov 30, 2010, 10.20am IST
Tags:VK Verma booked|Suresh Kalmadi|Lalit Bhanot charged|CWG|
Commonwealth Games scam
NEW DELHI: The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) seems to be
closing in on Suresh Kalmadi, after an FIR was lodged against the
tainted Commonwealth Games Organising chairman’s close aides Lalit
Bhanot and VK Verma on Tuesday.
The CBI has charged the duo for criminal conspiracy, misuse of
official post, cheating and forgery in the CWG overlays scam. The CBI
is understood to have observed glaring irregularities in the deals
struck by both Bhanot and Verma, according to Times Now.
The CBI raided the offices and residences of Lalit Bhanot and VK Verma
and the raids are currently on at 11 places in Delhi.
Bhanot is the Secretary General of the Commonwealth Games Organising
Committee and VK Verma is the Director General of the Commonwealth
Games.
Earlier, the CBI had registered two FIR in their bid to seek all the
documents, which can lead to the OC’s exposure in dealing with
payments made to different agencies involved in the 2010 Delhi Games.
Following intense scrutiny of the documents procured in several raids
conducted earlier, the CBI is understood to have tapped the loopholes
in the preparations of the Games. The result of that seizure of
documents is the third FIR lodged today in the CWG scam.
Verma has already been questioned by the Enforcement Directorate (ED)
in connection with irregularities in the Queen’s Baton Relay in the
UK.
The raids come on a day when the CBI is all set to oppose the bail
plea of two other aides of Kalmadi, TS Darbari and Sanjay Mohindroo,
who are currently in custody.
With two of his close aides in custody and now his closest aides
Bhanot and VK Verma facing raids, the big question now is – Will
Kalmadi face the CBI heat next?
Kalmadi had on Monday claimed he had not committed any offence and was
ready to answer all CBI questions.
“I welcome the investigations (into the financial irregularities in
the Commonwealth Games). I will give a statement in parliament and I
have met Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar and she said whenever the house
runs I can make the statement,” Kalmadi said.
CBI has not summoned me back home: Kalmadi
PTI, Nov 25, 2010, 11.02pm IST
Tags:Suresh Kalmadi|Queen Baton Relay|Organising Committee|
Commonwealth Games Organising Committee|Commonwealth Games|CBI
Kalmadi
GUANGZHOU: Under scanner Commonwealth Games Organising Committee
chairman Suresh Kalmadi on Thursday refused to talk about the Queen
Baton Relay’s controversy, which resulted in the arrest of three of
his close aides, and said he has not been summoned by the CBI back
home in India.
“No, I have not been summoned,” was the prompt reply from Kalmadi, who
is in Guangzhou for the Asian Games.
When asked whether he has been asked by the CBI to come back to India,
Kalmadi said, “No, No, No (smiling).”
Kalmadi’s aides – T S Darbari, Sanjay Mahendroo and M Jayachandran —
were arrested for alleged financial irregularities during the
organisation of the Relay in London last year and are presently in CBI
custody, pending investigation.
While Darbari and Mahendroo have been in CBI custody since their
arrest on November 15, Jayachandran was arrested on the November 20.
When asked about his whereabouts, the OC chairman told reporters, “I
am here for the closing ceremony. I have been in Monaco and I have
been in China (for the last one week).”
Refusing to talk about the arrest of his three aides in India, Kalmadi
said, “We will talk about this in Delhi. Let’s talk about athletics
here.”
Readers’ opinions (1)
pirate of the caribean (trinidad)
26 Nov, 2010 08:21 PM
You shoul be put up in jail for rigarous imprisonment for 20 years
before considering the trial
Comment
Please, set Kashmir free
Malavika Sangghvi | Saturday, August 23, 2008
As the daughter of a Kashmiri Hindu, whose family left its ancestral
home in Srinagar during the turmoilthat followed Partition, I would
liketo express a sentiment that I still haven’t heard in the rhetoric
about Kashmir.
I speak for those for whom Kashmir is not a symbol of one-upman ship
with Pakistan, not a piece of a jigsaw puzzle that is intrinsic to the
sovereignty of Indiaand not a football to be kicked around by cynical
politicians, but as the daughter of a family in whose very lifeblood
Kashmir courses every moment.
Cut our hearts open and you will see Kashmir, put your ear to our
sighs, and you will hear our yearning for the land where our family
spent its last days intact and happy before Partition scattered us to
the winds, rendering us refugees.
Growing up dislocated in Mumbai, as a child, it never failed to
surprise me when people who oftenhadn’t so far stepped out of their
suburb, would say:”Kashmir is ours! We will never give it up! Let them
try and take Kashmir from us!”
Even at that early age, when I could have mistaken their jingoism for
kindred sentiment, I realised that their virulence had nothing to do
with my family’slove for Kashmir, but was misguided machismo.
And I would find myself seething with rage at the audacity of their
presumption. “But Kashmir was never yours,” I’d say in my mind. And
sometimes, when more provoked: “You don’t deserve Kashmir!” And then
I’d go home to my mother, whose ever present, unshed tears for her
homeland, were a leitmotif of our life in Mumbai.
Throughout my childhood, my family would go back to Srinagar (the
ancestral home in Vazir Baugh had to be sold when my widower
grandfather became too old to live alone) to stay with Muslim friends,
with whom we shared a poignant empathy: we had lost Kashmir because we
had moved away; they were losing it everyday, living there, witnessing
its destruction. Over kawha, we would watch as the elders of our
family weep for what had been.
Like a woman too beautiful for her own good, Kashmir was a tragedy
even then. It produced an ache in our hearts when we heard its name
and thought of its ill fate: and then, because you cannot sit weeping
over lost Valleys all your life,when we returned home we put Kashmir
on the backburner.
And on that backburner, Kashmir fermented Sheikh Abdullah, a man whose
commitment to India was unquestionable, was humiliated, jailed,
alienated. The most unimaginable genocide was committed on thepeople.
Entire generations of its sons were mowed down by an army whose
presence was as large as it was unpopular. And in its knee-jerk,
misguided, ill-conceived approach to Kashmir the Indian polity
revealed its shallowness.
But through this all, intrinsically, those of us who have Kashmir in
our bloods, know that the Kashmiri Pandits who have been driven out of
their homeland are not enemies of the Kashmiri Muslims, in fact they
are both victims of the historic blundering of the Indian government’s
Kashmir policy.
Take away Delhi’s political brinkmanship, take away the Hindutva
sentiment that has played so neatly into the hands of Pakistan and its
fishing-in-troubled-waters game and you may be surprised at how
harmoniously Kashmir’s Hindus and Muslims can live.
So, on behalf of my mother, my family, and all those who have loved
and lost Kashmir, I beg:Please. We have done enough damage to and in
Kashmir. Enough to last many lifetimes. The chinars are tinged with
too muchblood. We have failed Kashmir and we don’t deserve her
anymore. Leave Kashmir alone. Set her free.
Email: ***@dnaindia.net
Main Article
MFIs are making profits at the expense of the poorest people
Anil Dharker | Monday, November 1, 2010
Comments: 3
An estranged wife may not be the most objective witness, so perhaps we
shouldn’t take everything Malini Byanna says about ex-husband Vikram
Akula as gospel truth.
Writing an Open Letter, her main contention is that many of the ideas
adopted by SKS Microfinance were originally hers; she also says the
seed money for the whole enterprise came from her family. She also
accuses him of ruthlessness and getting rid of people who disagreed
with him or were no longer useful to him.
Akula is not the first CEO, and he won’t be the last, who is accused
of the ‘sins’ listed above. In fact in the corporate world, especially
in the US, a CEO’s single-minded focus on profits accompanied by a
willingness to ‘push people off the cliff’ will often be rewarded with
a million dollar bonus.
Article continues below the advertisement…
Akula does have a history of sacking people, the latest being the SKS
CEO Suresh Gurunani, whose hiring had grabbed business paper
headlines.
But we shouldn’t shed too many tears for Gurunani: after all, he was
given a joining bonus of Rs1 crore by SKS. More than that his
severance terms would give him his salary for a year (Rs1.5 crore)
plus 1.25 lakh stock options (valued at Rs300 crore at current
prices!!) Not bad for few months work.
It’s not Vikram Akula’s management style nor his inter-personal
relationships which should bother us. What should are some of the
numbers in the previous paragraph and some of the numbers that follow.
The number of zeroes bankers and finance men can command, while making
zero real contribution to society is no longer news.
The shamelessness with which Americans bankers have paid themselves
million dollar bonuses while pauperising their middle-class clients is
too well documented to require repetition.
But a micro finance institution? Somehow that was meant to be
different. Ever since Mohammed Yunus was given a Nobel for his work
with Grameen Bank, the world was under the illusion that micro-finance
was a benevolent exercise, and people like Akula wore a halo that
shone in any light. Now we know that the halo dazzled us so much that
we failed to see how fat their wallets had become.
It wasn’t just the media that was taken in: one of the large investors
in SKS Micro finance was Narayan Murthy, and if even he could be taken
in…
Someone — a banker —said to me, “What’s wrong in making profits?”
There isn’t, of course, but there’s a line beyond which profit becomes
profiteering. In the case of micro-financing, that line is clear and
leaves no room for ambiguity because of the nature of the enterprise.
Micro finance companies give small loans to farmers and the rural
poor, a role hitherto played by moneylenders, the kind who gave rise
to Naxalism.
These money lenders charged 48% interest or sometimes even more, thus
ensuring that their client is forever in debt. Banks, even
nationalised banks, wouldn’t step in because the sums involved were
too small and the customers were too far dispersed. In stepped
microfinance companies, willing to work with small margins, and
spreading around the countryside to the remotest corners to help the
poor of our country.
Or so we thought till Vikram Akula went in for an IPO. The size of the
IPO and the eagerness of people to lap up its shares made everyone sit
up and take notice: obviously there was lots of money to be made in
microfinance. The public who subscribed to the IPO saw that before the
media did.
The microfinance bottom line works because of the traditional money
lender. If he charges 50% interest, anyone charging half of that seems
like an angel.
Which is how SKS worked: get money from institutions at 9.5% (by
Akula’s recent admission) and lend at 26%. That margin takes care of
the high cost of disbursing and collecting over a large geographical
area, and still leaves a very healthy margin for making profit.
You and I pay less than half of that for our home loans. But the poor
and marginal farmer, making a subsistence living, borrowing money for
absolute essentials like seeds and fertilisers, has to pay 26% or
more. (Since the story broke, SKS has announced a reduction of 2% in
the interest charged. Big deal)
This is profit-taking at its most callous, because the MFIs are making
massive profits at the expense of the poorest people in India. As a
result, farmer suicides continue unabated.
In Andhra Pradesh, for example, 25 people took their own lives
recently. Of them 17 were SKS Microfinance borrowers.
Perhaps that’s just a coincidence. But the fact remains that the poor
of this country are being exploited by people who profess to be do-
gooders, but actually are in it only to make money.
The fate of Vikram Akula and SKS Microfinance should not bother us;
what should is the fate of the millions who make companies like SKS
fat and profitable, and who themselves have nothing — not even a
semblance of a future — to show for it.
Comments:
Rajan Alexander from Bangalore
Micro-savings and revolving loans often worked very well. Self-Help
Groups (SHGs) being small and homogeneous are controlled by members
where borrowers themselves play a key role in the development of SHGs.
They contribute small savings, regularly attend the meetings, and
participate in making the rules related to loans, interest rates,
repayment schedules and mechanisms. These groups are thus more likely
to be characterised by self-management and self-reliance.
This is until the much-hyped micro-finance institutions (MFIs) burst
onto the scene. They eased out NGOs on the specious argument that we
were not equipped with our limited capability to run micro-finance
lending programmes. These MFIs operate under these two beliefs:
“Having access to expensive credit is better than no credit” and “the
observed rate is where demand equals supply”. These two beliefs were
ironically the very same fulcrum on which the traditional moneylenders
operate.
The result is an “animal farm” situation where we are now not able to
distinguish between “pigs” and “humans” and vice-versa. In fact,
moneylenders have got a makeover by packaging themselves as MFIs. A
good example is Mohammed Yunus of Grameen Bank who comes from a
traditional money-lending caste. And of course, he got the Nobel Prize
and so did Al Gore & Pachauri. Thank God, the Nobel Committee did not
confer Gandhiji the same distinction, by clubbing him with these
scamsters. In India, it is no accident that the Father of
Microfinance, Vijay Mahajan, also comes from a traditional money-
lending caste.
Read More: http://devconsultgroup.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-wrong-with-micro-finance.html
Posted on: Nov 1, 2010 5:49 IST
I Care from delhi
If micro-savings and revolving loans had worked well then no one
should have gone to MFIs. i can understand how much so called NGOs and
social activists have been neglected by poor peoples after the arrival
of MFIs. And these NGOs and social activists sure want to take their
revenge by ranting and making lies (at the expense of the poor
again?).
Posted on: Nov 3, 2010 18:57 IST
I Care from delhi
Of course an MFI company has an agenda to make profit. Article would
have made some sense if author had presented some data or statistics
to justify his claims instead of just writing few paragraphs of pure
rant.
Posted on: Nov 3, 2010 18:52 IST
Comment
Greed for land has consumed society
Prahlad Rao | Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Land has been the flavour of the month and may stay like that as the
New Year dawns. The debate generated by politicians has cast a shadow
over all of us in this city, which seems to have sold its soul to the
devil in the form of a real estate agent.
While BDA raised the hopes of lakhs of middle class people, it has
failed to the gather support of other government agencies to fulfill
their dreams. It is slow and gets bogged down often in procedures
because of inflexibility. This slow pace of development has given rise
to a breed of unscrupulous elements out to cash in on the greed for a
piece of property.
The bureaucracy, the political establishment and the agents have
transformed the middle class into a greedy pack. The tragedy of modern
times is that the middle class, which has always been the custodian of
society’s values and morals, has lost its bearings and credibility.
Thomas More in his celebrated work Utopia wrote: “All this greed
for gain and accompanying centralization of wealth in the hands of few
leads to the rise of a dispossessed and indigent class. Then, with a
view to keeping this class in subjugation, heavy and fearful
punishments are decreed.”
Maybe he had the current lot of politicians in mind when More wrote
strongly against the statesmen who rant about public good when all the
time they are seeking their own advantage.
What is this advantage we all fall for? It’s the desire to get while
the getting is good. Those who strive for power and wealth have long
thought that more would satisfy them. Human experience demonstrates
that individuals and institutions, small and great, have faced this
temptation.
Want more damning explanation? Read this. Philippe Gigantès, history
professor and retired Canadian senator, suggests in Power & Greed: A
Short History of the World (published in 2002) that the highlights of
human history have been part of an ongoing quest to gain power, “the
best instrument for satisfying one’s desires.”
“Whatever their culture and epoch,” writes Gigantès, “mankind has
sought to acquire what it takes to satisfy five basic desires:
security, shelter, sustenance, sex (for pleasure or progeny) and self-
expression. To avoid chaos, society needs rules that limit the freedom
of its members to pursue their desires.”
Land will be the chief reason if Bangalore loses its character and
culture. Politicians are grabbing them by the acre, farmers are
selling them for a price, agents are manufacturing fake documents by
the dozen and the middle-class is waiting to be cheated. Greed has
made us forget the values and spirit of community. We hope that those
who care for Bangalore will act and temper the temptation and stem the
rot, now.
Column
Resignation is not enough; A Raja must be fully exposed
Anil Dharker | Monday, November 15, 2010
Comments: 2
Anil Dharker
This is being written on Saturday morning. When you read the column on
Monday, will Spectrum Raja still be king of the telecom ministry?
Maybe, maybe not. “I will not resign,’ he has said, adding “why should
I resign?” Millions of Indians can tell him why, but the one Indian
who matters to Raja, a certain gentleman in dark glasses in Chennai
whose name suggests infinite kindness, hasn’t told him why, so he will
shamelessly cling on to his chair.
But perhaps, this time M Karunanidhi might not have any option but to
replace him.
However, will the mere removal of Raja be enough? In the Adarsh case,
the buck hasn’t stopped with Chavan. There’s talk of initiating action
against the bureaucrats whose clever machinations made the whole scam
possible, people like Ramanand Tiwari, then principal secretary for
urban development, SS Kshatriya, then general manager of BEST (they
seem to have helped transfer spare FSI (floor space index) from the
adjoining BEST land to Adarsh), the Mumbai Collector Idzes Kundan and
others.
There is also serious talk of demolishing the Adarsh building which
will be a fitting thing to do, because it will ensure that all those
dreams of making illicit money will lie in a heap of rubble.
Similarly, in the Commonwealth Games scandal, it’s not just Suresh
Kalmadi who had to resign from his Congress party post. Multiple
probes are on into every aspect of the Games.
But the Commonwealth Games and Adarsh scams are really tiny compared
to the telecom scandal. In its final report on the case, the
Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has said that the loss to the
country due to the spectrum scam is Rs1.76 lakh crore.
That’s Rs1760000000000. Now you know why long, long ago India invented
the zero: we knew that in the coming centuries we would need lots and
lots of them. Most of us would have problems comprehending what all
those zeroes mean. This may help a bit. Rs1.76 lakh crore is seven
times the national health budget, three times the education budget,
and bigger than the entire defence budget.
Impressed? You should be. Can there be a bigger scam than this? It has
to be the biggest swindle ever in the history of India and anywhere in
the world. Yet, Raja and his Boss of Infinite Mercy think they are
blameless!
CAG’s final report leaves no room for ambiguity. It says the
allocation of the 2G (2nd generation) spectrum in January 2008 was
flawed in every way. A total of 122 licences were issued to telecom
companies for 2G services in different circles in the country. Of
these, according to CAG, 85 licences were given to 12 companies
inspite of the fact that they did not meet DoT eligibility conditions.
But that’s a technicality: based on the foreign direct investment
(FDI) attracted by the companies which won the licences, the cost of a
pan-India licence should have been anywhere between Rs7,442 crore and
Rs47,918 crore. Raja issued a pan-India licence for only Rs1,658
crore.
CAG used two different methodologies to assess the loss to the
exchequer. One was based on the offer made by foreign telecom major
STel in 2007. For 6.2 MHz of 2G spectrum for the 122 licences, its
offer added up to Rs65,725 crore against the Rs1,093 crore collected
by DoT. Add to that the dual technology rate offered by STel of
Rs24,591 crore and you get Rs90,316 crore. The second methodology is
too technical to get into.
Raja and his ministry adopted a first-come, first-served policy at
earlier rates rather than the auction route taken for 3G, which has
shown how very valuable spectrum allocation is. Raja and his cronies
may claim that this is hindsight, and that at the time of the 2G
allocation they did not have the benefit of the 3G figures. To that we
reply with a simple analogy: Suppose you had a very rare Tyeb Mehta
painting, one everyone knew was extremely valuable. Would you sell it
to the first offer you received? Or would you put it up for auction at
Christie’s to see how much more the painting would fetch?
I will give you two answers. Answer No 1: You would maximise your
income by giving it to the auction house. Answer No 2: You would sell
it to the first buyer. This would have a catch: the income here would
be your official declared income. But there would be a sizeable amount
you would get under the table. Am I insinuating something? Draw your
own conclusions.
But is Raja’s head enough? If he is sacked, he will lick his wounds,
and then flourish in Tamil Nadu politics. Considering the loss he has
caused to the nation, he must be probed by the Anti Corruption Bureau,
income-tax department, etc, thoroughly. If he has amassed any wealth,
he should be made to cough it up. In any case, he should be prosecuted
for all its worth.
Even that isn’t enough. What about the officials of the telecom
ministry? How can they get away scot free? They can’t and they
shouldn’t. From now on, no one should.
The writer is a commentator on social affairs.
Comments:
SN from chennai
Scam of all times. Complete probe needed to link unprecedented money
distribution during elections in TN and 2G scam. Expose the corrupt.
Posted on: Nov 15, 2010 8:33 IST
Sukumar from Hyderabad
Most regional parties function like the D-Company. There is no way
Raja could have made money without the knowledge of DMK top leaders —
in fact Raja might have made very little for himself and the bulk of
the booty would have been taken away by the Karunanidhi family. The
Congress party must be aware of what happened, but this is the price
for taking support from DMK.
Sonia’s faith is her private matter: HC
Rajinder Nagarkoti, TNN, Nov 30, 2010, 01.16am IST
Comments (161)
Tags:Sonia Gandhi|Right To Information|Punjab and Haryana High Court
CHANDIGARH: A division bench of the Punjab and Haryana high court on
Monday dismissed an appeal to seek information under Right to
Information Act on the religion practised by Sonia Gandhi. The bench
comprising Chief Justice Mukul Mudgal and Justice Ranjan Gogoi
dismissed the appeal on whether the registrar general, Census
Operations, is bound to provide details of the religion practised by
the UPA chairperson and her children under the RTI Act.
The appeal was filed by former Haryana DGP PC Wadhwa. While dismissing
it the bench said, ”It is evident that the petitioner is making
efforts to make unjustified inroads into the privacy of said
individuals even if they are public figures. Consequently, the
information provided to the Census Officer cannot be made public.”
The judges said, ”In our view, the provisions of section 15 of the
Census Act, 1948 are not inconsistent with provisions of Section 8(1)
(j) of the RTI Act, 2005 and both can be read harmoniously.
Accordingly, Section 22 of the RTI Act, 2005 will not come into
operation and cannot sustain the pleas of the appellant.
Sonia’s faith is her private matter: HC
Comments (162)
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Rajiv (Muscat)
24 mins ago (10:53 AM)
I wonder what the petitioner was upto? The court should have fined at
least one lakh for wasting the time of the court on trivial things as
this one. Sonia is a public figure but that does not mean that she has
to reveal her personal faith to anybody. I respect Sonia Gandhi as a
politician not because she is a christian or Hindu or Congress leader
but because of her attitude to other leaders; Can anybody point a
finger at her for abusing any opposition leaders unnecessarily? She
does criticise others but there is a serenity and dignity about her
which is lacking in many frontline politicians except perhaps one
Vajpayee, Manmohan and Antony. But of course, if I have to choose one
from among a bunch after our Sardar Singhji, I would defenitely go for
Antony or Nitish.
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shruti (del)
24 mins ago (10:53 AM)
my country is losing its head…. how does it matter even if she is a
practising christian and even if her children are christians… they are
still who they are… will you start loving them or hating them if they
say otherwise… until we leave this mentality… and i mean everybody
irrespective of the religion, we can never prosper.
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asrin (Delhi)
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)
What faith one belongs to how does it matter to others. Frivolous
applications under RTI need to be treated with stern action.
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KB (Bhopal)
27 mins ago (10:50 AM)
The census should never have tried to include caste. It will only
strengthen the caste system at a time when we should be working
towards eradicating it. As for Sonia Gandhi’s religion, it shouldn’t
be of concern to anybody other than Sonia herself.
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freshsoul (Dubai)
28 mins ago (10:49 AM)
We follow each and every step of US people, and US people decides
their president on religion basis, when it comes to india we dont want
to talk about. what a hypocrisy ? well sonia gandhi is christian
married to parsi. it is like this. Indira gandhi ( hindu) married to
Parsi guy Feroz gandhi to get Gandhi Tag. and her childern Rajiv
gandhi married to Sonia ( christian) and her childern follows
christianity ( Robert Vadra). daughter got married to christian and
about son may be …..
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Lakshman Singh (New Delhi)
41 mins ago (10:36 AM)
The Casteism was, earlier, a Political System to control and operate
the society smoothely. Ofcourse, it was failed on emergence of other
relegions in comparision ; and the country became slave because of non-
participation of majority of Hindu population. A caste-hindu, even
without any human-value grows as ego-centric to feel himself superior.
Now the system has changed to tackle the people in light of
constitutional human values. Therefore the casteism should go but it
can not be eradicated unless the caste-hindus attain a confidence and
follow honesty because now caste-hindus are in minority as the
democracy is the number game too. Caste-hindus have to start with a
system of social , moral and human values which they lost for fear of
own-survival ; as they are still society controller. They should adopt
the new system of fraternity, liberty and equality as described by the
constitution. Religion is a matter of personal faith. If not than
Islaam is superior to hinduism as to advocate the mass while hinduism
is a system of perpetual exploitation of mass. There is no brotherhood
in hinduism.
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Manish M Vishwakarma (KSA)
51 mins ago (10:26 AM)
Wadhwa ji GOOGLE mae search maro puri Ghandhi family ki kundli mil
jayegi. every body knows Pandit Nehru Hindu, Indira Gandhi married to
Feroz Khan(name changed to Feroz Gandhi), so their sons Rajiv %26
Sanjiv (name changed to Sanjay) must follow father religion,Rajiv
married to Sania (now Sonia), and now their son Raul (now Rahul) &
Bianca (now Priyanka) both must be following father religion or mother
religion….but no body seen any of them visiting any of the places for
worship. no doubt Gandhi family with their work had shadowed the other
part or the relevance of religion or personal misconduct is almost
suppressed. but the complexicity within the family tree has created
complexicity within the nation. which we all are suffering. else sonia
gandhi should not have allowed the caste based census (she is further
dividing the nation),
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guru (CA, US)
54 mins ago (10:23 AM)
One cannot agree with the observations of the court. We have this myth
that faith is private when it is not really all around the world. If
it is so private why would the Indian government ask for it in the
census ? Of course a person has a right to not reveal his faith for
whatever reasons, in which case the census should record that as
private and report it as private. If anybody can say what his or her
faith is , to a census worker what harm comes by revealing the same in
public ? This is just ridiculous. We have every right to know what the
real name in a passport, religion etc of the most powerful person in
India right now.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to guru
26 mins ago (10:51 AM)
Person can choose not to reveal his Race not religion and caste.If
India is a religious country, deep rooted in tradition, why this sham
of hiding religion.Hiding Sonia Gandhi’s religion seems to be some
sort of tussle which judiciary or congress feels would keep them safe
and in business.
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Sanjay (Bangalore)
54 mins ago (10:23 AM)
Although this RTI request does not looks good but those who opposes
and blaming it on politics are doing more damage to this RTI thought.
If asking for faith/religion is immaterial then why gov is asking for
caste in census. How will that benefit the society. If Gov can ask
caste from 1.2 billion people, why not an individual ask for it from
another individual.
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suhail (Delhi)
56 mins ago (10:21 AM)
It is a lenient let off of for this foolish a petitioner. He should be
slapped with a fine for trying to trespass someone’s privacy with
possibly malicious intent.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to suhail
19 mins ago (10:58 AM)
Mr Suhail, can i sue congress or slap the person who comes to my door
for doing caste based census. I feel congress is trespassing my
privacy.If congress and some people here are so much allergic to have
asked religion why someone wants to get one more layer down into
caste.Doe it not show how much thick skinned congress is. Does Sonia
Gandhi reveal her religion when she files her papers to fight
elections or she gets concession there also.I mean what kind of
country we are allergic to ask Sonia Gnadhi some pointed question.Why
is she in public life then.Why is High Court showing bias. Has
judiciary forgot to maintain equality of approach in all spheres.Best
way is to use DONT ASK DONT TELL approach.Dont ask me my religion and
caste when i file any kind of application forms.Just ask my
nationality and domicile.Its not the business of congress and other
leaders to poke me. I have not seen anyone answering this question.
ProudIndian (USA) replies to suhail
35 mins ago (10:42 AM)
What about imposing Jaziya or stoning someone to death? Please enjoy
the religious freedom that the majority has granted.
Kiran (Bangalore)
57 mins ago (10:20 AM)
Then the court should also rule that no leader should publish his
religion or caste since that also is private and also influences the
voters. When will our courts become independent and starts thinking
beyond religion. Can the Judge also let us know why the Govt collects
private information if it does not have any revelance.
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Rahul Joshi (Pune)
1 hr ago (10:16 AM)
Truely, Faith is Someone’s private matter but if you are Public figure
your religion decide’s your future in most of the cases specially in
politics……same thing was happened with Indira Gandhi when she married
with Firoz Khan (Gandhi)and became Muslim but Pandit Nehru (So Called
secular) has opposed that marriage and Firoz Khan has to become Firoz
Gandhi……for His %26 His Wife ‘s political Future………beacuse Nehru knwos
that once Indira remove Hindu tag in her surname she and Nehru’s
family will thrown out of Politics…….
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Rahul Joshi
16 mins ago (11:01 AM)
Indians are so taken in by this Nehru-Gandhi family that Indian’s
never got freedom of thought to think beyond.
Satish Haldankar (India) replies to Rahul Joshi
26 mins ago (10:51 AM)
You are so blinded by your hatred towards the Nehru-Gandhi family and
the Congress that you do not take the elementary step to check out the
facts. Pity you.
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James (Dubai) replies to Rahul Joshi
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)
Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi,not a muslim.Where did you get your
information.If a person wishes to disclose or not disclose their
religion,it should be their decision.When the Govt collects
information for surveys etc,it is not for publication.The results of
the survey may be in the public domain,but not individuals
information.A census taker may inquire about the number of
children,age,income and education of your family.He can not publicise
that Mr X is earning this much with a family of Y no of persons
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ali (dubai) replies to Rahul Joshi
51 mins ago (10:26 AM)
Dear Rahul, its not firoz khan its fireoz gandhi only and he is
parsi.just to have a gandhi tag she married him.
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Rahul Joshi replies to ali
18 mins ago (10:59 AM)
Friend this is the rumor spred by Nehru Family that he was Parasi….but
he was Muslim who was converted by Nehru %26 Gandhi Family claims to
be secular……..
Niranjan (Bengaluru) replies to ali
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)
You are wrong
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ali replies to Niranjan
7 mins ago (11:10 AM)
Dear Niranjan, just google it man for your own knowldage. He was
Parsi.
Indian (USA) replies to ali
33 mins ago (10:44 AM)
Dear Ali – It is Feroze Khan – son of Nawab Khan. If that is not true,
please publish the name of Feroz’s father
Indian (India)
1 hr ago (10:09 AM)
This woman has no religion.She is a Christian(missionary) and the
Gandhi family roots are Muslim..Now wonder…why they are so “secular”.
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Satish Haldankar (India) replies to Indian
18 mins ago (10:59 AM)
If you had the time, you would first check out the facts and then
post. It does not seem so, as you are so busy spreading lies, untruths
and falsehoods. Most Indians are secular irrespective of their
religion, hence your final conclusion makes no sense whatsoever. Pity
you for warbled thinking.
Km (India) replies to Indian
46 mins ago (10:31 AM)
You are absolutely ignorant %26 should not comment if you do not know
the facts, Indira gandhi was married to a Parsi hence her children
Rajiv & Sanjay both are actually Parsis!!!
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Raj (Mumbai) replies to Km
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)
She married a muslim who changed his name and converted in to a parsi,
check your facts first and yes if you need more info please refer to
google, and you tube!!!!
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Indian (USA) replies to Km
31 mins ago (10:46 AM)
Not really. Feroz’s mother was born Parsi but had converted to Islam
before she got married to a Nawab Khan who fathered Feroze. As you
say, you should not comment unless you know the facts. Name Gandhi was
given by the so called Mahatma as people then would resent a Brahmin
marryng a Muslim.
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tom (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (10:07 AM)
we have to use to rti to punish the corrupt and book all the people
for doing all heinous crime, our country is the among the most corrupt
country in the world.but we have one more Haryana DGP who is after
petty things like caste and religion. He should have filed a case in
Rathore case when he was let out on bail for murdering the innocent
kid. are all senior govt official narrow and corrupt minded like cwg
scam, 2G scam, Adarsh Hsg, please nail them instead of indulging in
petty things like caste and religion
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Vik (Del)
1 hr ago (10:00 AM)
Some idiots are always caught up with this religion thing. Does
someone catch hold of u in the market and ask u your religion. The RTI
act is for public benefit. I do not know what public good comes out of
knowing her religion. Im sure this is some BJP stooge. What if she is
a practising christian. Or what if she is an atheist. We Indians have
no civic sense of when to stop interfering in others lives. She is a
public figure but her religion is not in the public domain
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Amit (India) replies to Vik
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)
Dear Vik, You should become more aware than be naive about such
things. I read your comments below also, you seem to live in your own
innocent naive world. Religion is important of public figures
especially when they wield the power in a country and more so when she
is Sonia Gandhi, whose family publicly portrays that they are Hindus
to get votes whereas there are strong reports suggesting that they
practice Christianity and help the missionaries indulged in induced
and forced conversions. What’s the harm in declaring their true
credentials. As public figures and wielding maximum power they need to
come clean and truthful with the people of India. It is important and
critical integrity issue not just a matter of faith. And for your
information, in reference to your US remark, in the US, faith is very
very important as much as that Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley could not
have become Governors if they had not converted to Christianity. Till
date, for people of USA, it is the first requirement in their mind,
for a person to fight for a public office. Such small things reveal
the big games played by any fraud people and their real intentions. We
have a right to know the antecedents of people in politics. Be more
aware to make our democracy stronger.
Bharti (CA) replies to Vik
1 hrs ago (10:17 AM)
It does not seems to be BJP’s involvement but congress is going
through bad phase at this time. BJP will not be benefited out of this
now. Religion practice is entirely a personal matter. Do not
polyticise such issues.
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ASHOK (USA)
1 hr ago (09:58 AM)
WOW FAITH PRIVATE MATTER. CASTE PUBLIC MATTER CONGRESS WANTS CASTE
MENTIONED ON CENSUS PAPER
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Vik (Del) replies to ASHOK
59 mins ago (10:18 AM)
Bhai US pahuch gaye par akal nahi aayi.. When the census man come to
sonias house she will tell her religion and caste (if she wants). No
one is forcing u to reveal anything in the census, its voluntary. I
thought you would know this. The question is what that stupid DGP
wants to do with her religion.
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ASHOK replies to Vik
36 mins ago (10:41 AM)
Bhai, fir bhi dil hai hindustani. I meant that it became possible only
with the explicit support of the CONgress party (plus LALU-MALU gang)
that census paper would have a column for caste. Why can’t India move
forward; judge a person by his/her financial conditions, education,
location (such as remote hill areas or NE states which require special
considerations), service to the nation (such as serving military,
police or para-military) and criminal record. Why bring caste or
religion into picture to feed Lalu, Malu,Ramu,Maya,Mamta or Karuna.
jaiprakash (dammam) replies to Vik
37 mins ago (10:40 AM)
Even if you apply for a job or trying for a seat in any educational
institution,you have to fill the coloumn of religion and caste.why not
for sonia who holds the highest position of ruling our country.we have
every right to know her religion.
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bsr (kanpur)
1 hr ago (09:38 AM)
no need to give answers for fools questions, every body have right to
choose / follow any religion, what to do with religion.
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James Sebastian Sebastian (Manali)
1 hr ago (09:33 AM)
The ones devoid of action will try to know and divide people based on
faith. If these people who file frivolous petitions started doing
something good for the country, help a poor man or to expose a
corruption. If PC Wadhwa as DGP in his tenure did some hard and
patriotic work, Haryana would have a better sex ratio and less honour
killings as of today.
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Indian (India) replies to James Sebastian Sebastian
1 hr ago (10:10 AM)
First stop all your conversion activities and then talk.
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Guptan Veemboor (Bangalore)
1 hr ago (09:28 AM)
In reply to ‘zam zam cola’ and ‘nimbupani’..Bef ore I start to reply I
want to say that I prefer ‘nimbu pani’ any time to any colas whether
it is Cocoa or Pepsi or even Zam Zam if such a cola is available in
the market. Now to the point. I am also very much against this Caste
and Religion columns in all government forms and records. It is not
these Cogress walahs who are directly responsible. It is they who
started it with the blessing of their ultimate human deity who it is
you make your own guess as I do not want to draw the wrath of many a
persons. Instead of making any sort of reservations on the basis of
income it was made on the basis of caste and it can never be removed.
We are stuck with it till the deluge when everything will be
destroyed. The caste system has been fixed with araldite now. I am
wondering how the yadavs are OBCs. In the mythologies they were all
having the same rights as anyone. Krishna himself was a ‘yadav’. In a
‘Raja Sadass’ sage Valmiki was not given any lower status. And these
people claim reservations claiming themselves they are lower caste.
This is blatant misuse of the faulty policy.
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Sachidanand Shetty (Dubai) replies to Guptan Veemboor
1 hr ago (09:47 AM)
Why the name Zam Zam has been given to Cola? Zam Zam is the purity
water all human beings get from Macca, first being generated to give
water to Ismail by his mother Hajira when he was crying for water in
Desereted Area
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ConcernedIndian (Delhi)
1 hr ago (09:24 AM)
Sonia Maino was an Italian by birth and a Christian in faith. She wore
Western dresses, underwear and eat pizza/spaghetti. Since marrying an
Indian named Raji Gandhi, she converted her religion to Hindu, renamed
herself Sonia Gandhi and naturalized an Indian. Now she wears sarees
with no underwear and eat dhal bath. To prove that she is an Indian,
you can uplift her saree to see if she wore underwear. If so, then she
is Italian and Christian. If not, then she is Indian and Hindu. Got it
right……Jai Hind.
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Abdul Latheef (bangalore)
2 hrs ago (09:11 AM)
A Big Fool is Haryana DGP PC Wadhwa. and other bunch of fools wasting
the time of SC judges and delaying other cases.
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Arun (Pune)
2 hrs ago (08:47 AM)
In india Hindu, Scristians%26Muslims,have good relation and respect
for each other.The real peoblem is Political Parties who devide people
into various religions for their vote Banks.Aam Adami always respect
others religion.Parties particulary Samajwadi,RJD(No more exting after
debacle in Bihar)are deviding muslims with their provokative speech
and statements. BJP and Congress are also adopting same tactises.
People want only progress and honest Govt.So that they can live
peacefully.
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Peace Peace Peace (India) replies to Arun
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)
Nobel thoughts. This is the only we Indian’s can progress and can
become super power. Otherwise we will west all our talent and energy
in fighting only.
abhinay (mumbai)
2 hrs ago (08:42 AM)
She is definitely a Christian becoz Rajiv Gandhi had converted himself
to christianity to marry this mad cow Sonia..!!
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to abhinay
1 hr ago (10:15 AM)
I am sure she is christian catholic but why High Court is feeling shy
and asking us not to ask,since when High Court started taking sides.We
write religion,caste in every govt form in India and not caste based
census is approved by the same party the religion of whose leader is
just being queried.Does Judiciary helping to keep some secrets intact.
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Cola Jam (Nagpur) replies to zam zam cola
17 mins ago (11:00 AM)
Yes, when religion of Obama can be an imporatanr thing for americans
why not for us in India of Sonia.She is most powerful lady and need to
be scutinized by countrymen.
Rohit (kolkata)
2 hrs ago (08:25 AM)
What is wrong in seeking to know the religion of a potential leader??
every Leader in every country discloses it it is only here in India
that we want to cover it…wonder why ?? perhaps because the people
involved are shy or embarressed ….. We the people have a right to know
the religious background of our ‘leaders’
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Sharat (Bangalore) replies to Rohit
1 hr ago (09:45 AM)
Dude, please dont represent ‘the people’ here. Whatever you want, talk
as an individual.
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Anjana (Hyderabad) replies to Rohit
1 hr ago (09:41 AM)
No you dont. What’s next? What does she eat for breakfast?
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Secular India (India) replies to Rohit
2 hrs ago (09:13 AM)
@Rohit, One must understand the intention of the one who seeks to
know. In a country like India where politics is so sensitive, it is
not merely the religion of a leader,it is threat to oppositions. They
will use it against them to bring them down. It is “more than meets
the eye”.
S Madhavan (Mumbai)
2 hrs ago (08:24 AM)
Yes.Religion is a private matter.However Sonia Gandhi and her family
performed Arya samaj type rites just before her filing Nominations
before the Loksabha polls.How does one interpret this?
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shruti (del) replies to S Madhavan
36 mins ago (10:41 AM)
don’t interpret it, why can’t we keep religion separate. why must we
include it in everything. then we wonder why the west is doing so
well. separate church from state.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to S Madhavan
1 hrs ago (10:17 AM)
Let HC interpret it in an unbiased manner.Probably congress likes to
keep some secrets to keep interest of people in dynasty and stopping
it from becoming irrelevant.
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Amit (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (08:13 AM)
The court is wrong to have dismissed this petition. The law is there
precisely to avoid such situations. Such information about any and all
individuals, regardless of their social status, is LEGALLY within
public domein. The sheer fact that someone would want to hide this
information from the public, implies that there is something shady
about whatever they are doing.
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george s (kerala)
3 hrs ago (08:00 AM)
faith is a personal matter. i am a Christian by religion but
culturally i feel like a hindu. i participate in hindu festivals with
my friends and i also follow some hindu practices, which some say are
non Christian. I still do it because its my personal choice and i dont
like anybody telling me what i should believe.
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shruti (del) replies to george s
34 mins ago (10:43 AM)
exactly, even most hindus visit churches, we remove our shoes while
doing so, god is god… not allah or krishna or jesus…. how can your
maker be different from my maker
Kaly (India) replies to george s
2 hrs ago (08:43 AM)
I do agree with u…we hindu love Jesus as u r loving him…
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Naveed (USA)
3 hrs ago (07:51 AM)
I want to know the religion of Narendra Modi, Advani and other mass
murders in India. That would be more interesting discussion.
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ASHOK (USA) replies to Naveed
53 mins ago (10:24 AM)
Pakistani rogue army is the only mass murder alive and still kicking
its own citizens and collecting blood money from USA. Remember geno-
cide of 3 million fellow citizens in 1971 in East Pakistan theater now
called Bangladesh? I want to know the religion of Punjabi Pakistan
army, General Niazi, Tikka Khan, the butcher of Balochistan and Bengal
and YAHYA KHAN.
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trialbyfire (Chennai) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (09:06 AM)
Naveed don’t you want to know the religion of mass murderers like
Gheelani, Dawood Ibrahim, Tiger Memon, and other mass murderers. Makes
for an equally interesting discussion.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:55 AM)
I know the religion of Geelani,owaisi,mirwaiz,lone and your brothers
naveed.
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Sanjay (Delhi) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:48 AM)
Let us also extend the list by adding – Kasab, Geelani, Arundhati Roy,
Mirwaiz, Lone and ask them their religion.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Sanjay
58 mins ago (10:19 AM)
Their religion i am sure the High Court will tell without RTI
Kaly (India) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:41 AM)
What faith is praticed by people of Kashmir who killed lots of Hindu
pandits from the valley…
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dee (canada) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:35 AM)
same religion as your forefathers
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PSG (Canada) replies to dee
1 hr ago (10:13 AM)
Perfact one Dee. Anything else Naveed?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to dee
2 hrs ago (08:54 AM)
nice reply dee,naveed must have got it now.If not then he is fooling
himself and others.
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Dave (Delhi) replies to dee
2 hrs ago (08:53 AM)
You mean Modi, Advani %26 others are Muslims! Just making sure.
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Lokesh HK (hyderabad) replies to Dave
1 hr ago (10:04 AM)
Actually they are hindus forcibly converted to muslims.
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Amit (Mumbai) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:16 AM)
They are LEGALLY Hindus; one may disagree with them on many things,
but their information is at least public. This is exactly the
information being sought about Sonia Gandhi and family; and there is
nothing wrong with wanting national leaders to come clean on the
matter.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Amit
31 mins ago (10:46 AM)
And we see how people take the debate to some other plane,sure sign of
dementia in some people.Simple question how can HC prevent people from
knowing one’s faith(practising or non practising).If that needs to be
private,why govt of India wants us to reveal
ourreligion,caste,subcasteeverytime we fill out forms.I am not sure
what concession if any Sonia Gandhi gets from election commission for
not revealing her faith when she files her papers for elections. Can
HC facilitate the process of knowing which faith Rajiv Gandhi used to
follow was he atheist.The leaders who want to form a secular society
should be very forthcoming about themselves in public.This shroud of
secrecy is like backstabbing the public. People of Andhra Pradesh
voted for YSR as CM.Andhra electorate must not be knowing that YSR was
a practising Christian. “Reddy’s parents were devout Christian and he
was buried according to Christian rites. He had also visited Bethlehem
and other holy Christian cities in Israel twice. Although Reddy was a
third generation Christian, he was also projected as a “devotee” of
the Hindu deity Venkateswara.” The point which i am trying to make is
if High Court is lending some credibility to Congress’ fear that by
knowing the truth about Sonia Gandhi’s faith congress will not be able
to put forth the dynasty with same mass appeal then judiciary is
insulting Indians and Hindus.Sonia Gandhi is Indian citizen first then
all Indian people should know her faith(husband’s or hers).
Subramanian (Salem) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:13 AM)
Your religion is very obvious….
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IndoAmerican (USA) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:12 AM)
The answer – They are Hindus. I want to know the religions of
pepetrators of 9/11 massacre in New York that killed over 3,000 of my
compatriots. Of course, my govt. not being Hindu nor pseudo-secular
retaliated and taught those guys a lesson they will never forget. The
lesson still continues – not over yet.
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srinivas (usa)
3 hrs ago (07:50 AM)
It is not about Sonia here. Practising a religion is a personal matter
and using RTI to get the info is abusing the RTI. How did this joker
become a DGP in the first place? People who have no respect for
private and personal matters will waste public money and resources for
no useful purpose. Ratan Tata was dragged into news recently because
of such jokers only.
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shruti (del) replies to srinivas
33 mins ago (10:44 AM)
well said
Sabki Maru (Culcatta) replies to srinivas
2 hrs ago (08:54 AM)
Totally, agree. What was this fellow doing as DGP??? How did he enter
Police services…paying or faking certificates.
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Ash (Sydney)
3 hrs ago (07:36 AM)
Politicians have no religion except money and power.
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Logic Induction (India) replies to Ash
3 hrs ago (08:02 AM)
There is no comparison between a stalwart like Sonia Gandhi and
minions like Madhu Koda, Gadkari, Modi, Sushima, Advani.
Viswanath (Mysore)
3 hrs ago (07:24 AM)
It was a wonderful opportunity for sonia to come clean on her
religious background. The HC should have used the occasion to get the
details about her faith, especially as the person is suspected to be a
party to Vatican interests to evangelise the country’s majority.
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shruti (del) replies to Viswanath
29 mins ago (10:48 AM)
come clean? what do u mean by clean… what answer would be acceptable
to your sensibilities? where do u get your facts from? evangelise the
majority? has she ever preached christanity to you? and even if people
do so, it is a fundamental right. no one is stopping you from
preaching your religion peacefully… but then again you will probably
be still warped in your lingayat, gowda etc etc ideology. before u
blame me or call me pseudo- secular… i am a very proud hindu but u
sound like a pseudo- intellectual
zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Viswanath
1 hr ago (10:08 AM)
I agree with you HC has no right to preach us that you cannot ask her
what is her faith.The same judiciary does not intervene when congress
tries to get information about caste of people under false pretext
that it will be used for development.Was Judiciary sleeping at that
time.All people (including the editor who does not publish my
comments) who just say that religion is private keep quiet when some
one is poking more to get caste info.What is more criminal asking
religion or going a step further and asking caste,sub caste and then
we talk about making caste irrelevant.Can you make religion
irrelevant.
Patrick (Mangalore) replies to Viswanath
1 hr ago (09:30 AM)
Viswanath, Grow up
Ved (Mysore) replies to Viswanath
2 hrs ago (09:01 AM)
%26 how do u know this ? Do u still believe what the media feeds
you ???
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shaam (usa) replies to Viswanath
2 hrs ago (08:32 AM)
you r a typical mysorean. come out of koopa manduka.
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musing (us)
4 hrs ago (06:42 AM)
If people are public figures, who can sway the fate of a nation and
claim/insinuate that they profess a particular faith. Then, they need
to come out and declare that openly, participate in puja’s etc…. After
all, what are they hiding? Or, afraid of? I have seen Indira Gandhi go
to temples and pray to Krishna and Siva! Never Sonia / Rahul? Need an
answer..
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Macha Digambar (Mumbai)
4 hrs ago (06:38 AM)
Since she is a public figure people have the right to know her faith.
India being a Hindu majority country and she being christian, she
cannot cheat people by wearing saree and projecting a hindu
appearance. But all know that she is a christian and goes to church
and prays to jesus chryste.
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faith (Singapore) replies to Macha Digambar
1 hr ago (09:19 AM)
@Macha, U seem to be implying that only Hindus can rule India. You
equate wearing saree to Hinduism. Which church does she go to? How do
you know who she prays to?
Problem (India) replies to Macha Digambar
2 hrs ago (09:13 AM)
so what is your problem.
Logic Induction (India) replies to Macha Digambar
3 hrs ago (08:03 AM)
No, faith is private. Machali we are a democracy not a ghati machali
market.
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Universal Energy (India)
4 hrs ago (06:24 AM)
India just started caste based census.how would officer come to know
somebody’s caste if he or she can not question his or her caste or
religion ?I suppose officer is going to use magician to know
somebody’s caste.
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aatish (delhi)
4 hrs ago (06:20 AM)
hey faith is money
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Indian (Delhi)
5 hrs ago (06:15 AM)
Is India not secular or pretend to be secular? RTI is good but should
it be used in this case, i.e. without any exemption clause? Sonia
Maino Gandhi is an Italian and a Christian by birth. But by man-made
laws as with all countries in the world, she had used Indian laws to
change her nationality and religion. Is that not allowed in India ?
Now, she is Indian but runs Italian blood. She is a HIndu who gives
offerings to gods/goddesses idols, rats and monkey dieties daily at
home or in temples but she can also visit and pray in churches. Is
that a problem ? Same with her children who could also claimed Italian
nationality but opted to be Indians. Is that also a problem ? They are
also HIndus who worship idols and dieties at home and in temples.
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Gilliana (Australia)
5 hrs ago (05:53 AM)
Sonia is a Roman Catholic like yours truly.
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Velayuthan Nair (Montreal)
5 hrs ago (05:32 AM)
I was not born in India, but I am proud of my Indian heritage and the
Hindu religion I practice.Sonia married an Indian and came to India.
That she took her own time to become a citizen is her own
business.Greedy ,narrow minded Indian Congressmen foisted her as their
leader,. because she carried the Ghandi name.Indian voters elected
her.When she turned down the Prime Ministers chair, I remember Indians
turned out in large numbers urging her to reconsider.She did not ask
for all this.That she has remained in India is enough for me respect
her as an Indian. You may call me an outside Idiot,but there are are
many people of Indian origin ,like me ,who are Presidents, Prime
Minsters ,Cabinert ministers, StateGovernors and Governor General ,in
other countries, some bestowed with Lordship and Knighthood.Their
Indian heritage is highlighted by their body colour, their names and
the Indian culture that they practice.A persons religion is a private
matter,between him/her and God.To me APJ Abdul Kalam is a Great
Indian,AR Rahman was a Hindu before becoming a Muslim,and he is a
patriotic Indian.Annie Besant was a great freedom fighter, but she was
not an Indian.If you do not like Sonia, do not vote her in.We do not
gain anything by bad mouthing anorther person.India is a unique
country and it will be unique till the end of time.Jai Hind.
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Indian (India) replies to Velayuthan Nair
1 hr ago (09:36 AM)
Well said nair…
Subin (chennai) replies to Velayuthan Nair
1 hr ago (09:24 AM)
Mate, i have not read such a sensible post till date. You have aired
what i wanted to. If we are cribbing and calling her anti India, why
the heck we gave her govt another chance. Why are we trying to point
fingers at her. Did she or her family publicly defame any religion.
What is her fault, that she was in love with Rajiv Ghandhi and that
she chose to live with him here in India and see her husband killed
and still be in India and raise her kids. Is this her fault. Just
imagine the plight of Congress before she joined and soon after she
joined they came to power consecutively. Billions voted for her and
her government. She could have led a private life.We dragged her and
then make her listen all these. BTW do you all think she is ruling the
congress, do you think it is possible when leaders like Pranab,
Chidambaram, Gulam Nabi are at the helm. It is a pity we are trying to
balme somebody, have we even seen her linked to any controversy, she
may be suffering pain for years all in silence. Lets give a thought.
we are ready to forgive all those numerous corrupt politicians, who
have been eating us away inch by inch, cant we spare a thought.
Remember when we go out we expect the whole world to respect us, aint…
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Sultan Ali (Canada)
5 hrs ago (05:31 AM)
Sonia’s faith is her private and personal matter, period. End of
discussion.
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Facts (world) replies to Sultan Ali
5 hrs ago (06:06 AM)
A Person has a faith or None. Only terrorists or persons with dubious
intent hide their faith to masquander . If faith stands in between
duties then such people should opt out of such duties. For example
would they accept her as head of a religious ministry?
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Ashok (Delhi)
6 hrs ago (05:10 AM)
Indians in USA converted to Christianity to get political
acceptability. Ex. Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal. Both won’t own
Sikhism/Hinduism as their parents religion. Jindal even refused media
questions about his India/Hindu connections. Even Obama has to
repeatedly state that he is practicing christian to get elected. Still
many Christians in USA view him with doubt as he is not full christian
(father a Muslim..). That being the case, any one who mock Indians in
the name of secularism who want to know Sonia’s roots are plain
stupid. Religion does matter, as it is big part of nation’s identity/
culture. India will not be India if Hindus are in minority. Go to
Pakistan and see what happens! Long ago it was part of India, until
Hindus were reduced to minority. Now we have western funded
missionaries who use UPA, media and Maoists to convert/eliminate Hindu
interests. Many nationalist Sanatana Dharma followers want to know if
Sonia is part of this setup to uproot India of its ancient glorious
past of Sanatana Dharma values. Just watch Subramanya Swami’s speech
on Sonia/ Rahul on you tube. The details are scary for nations future
and national interests. What is there to hide when she allowed caste
count by Govt. to divide Hindus? Another missionary demand fulfilled!
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Guptan Veemboor (Bangalore)
6 hrs ago (04:53 AM)
This is blatant misuse of RTI act. What faith one follows is very much
one’s personal choice and no one else should seek it. It does not
affect other persons in anyway.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Guptan Veemboor
5 hrs ago (06:07 AM)
My caste is my personal thing congress has no right to ask my caste
and religion in census.These congresswale want people to reveal their
caste in census so that they can hammer out their dirty plans to
create caste specific votebank and Sonia’s religion should not be
asked why?
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nimbupani (US) replies to Guptan Veemboor
6 hrs ago (05:15 AM)
Then why ask fellow indians to give their caste %26 religion. What’s
harm in telling her faith unless you have something to hide and malice
behind it
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rajX (Restroom)
6 hrs ago (04:30 AM)
If common people have to note their religion in government related
applications, why not Sonia talk about which religion she is
practicing? Does she think that Indians are small minded that they
would react badly if she said that she is a catholic? She has to
remember that the same Indian people gave her the vote fully knowing
that she is not Indian by birth. Maybe she has not understood the
Indian people yet despite living here for so long. Its sad.
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richard dias dias (Chembur, Bombay) replies to rajX
4 hrs ago (06:24 AM)
Still you have not convinced me why she has to tell the world about
the religion she practices? Is there something called privacy in this
RTI Raj?
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hrr (bangalore) replies to richard dias dias
2 hrs ago (09:16 AM)
It is the right of the citizen to know the religion of the queen or
king or the leader of the citizen as the leaders insist by law to
sbmit their ientity including the caste. Wmat is wrong in reavealing
it unless it is to be concealed for national?interest.
Bhagwat Goel (DLF Gurgaon) replies to richard dias dias
3 hrs ago (07:19 AM)
Everyone knows she is Catholic Christian and converted Rajiv before
marrying him, Their marraige later in Hindu style was to cheat people.
She goes by false/illegal name Sonia to cheat 110 Crore Hindus into
believing that she is Hindu. Faith is personal so as practice is
concerned otherwise it has to be public in India.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to richard dias dias
4 hrs ago (06:49 AM)
Congress has no right to ask me my caste in census,if they cannot
reveal her religion.Is she something special or supernatural that
lesser souls like us have to reveal our caste for congress to make
plans as per votebank.Its like giving keys in hands of Sonia so that
she can plan and her cards would be closed.Highly unjustified.
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rajX replies to richard dias dias
4 hrs ago (06:46 AM)
Do you believe that Sonia has more rights than any other Indian,
Richard? If the govt is asking common Indians for their religion, why
not Sonia indians about her religion? What is she afraid of?
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arvind (goa) replies to rajX
1 hr ago (09:46 AM)
are you little slow? when government conducted census it did record
religion of sonia gandhi. thats why a person wanted to know it through
census department using rti. so while government asked for other
persons religion, i can’t get that information about anyone else.
there is difference . i hope you got it.
Insane (ranchi) replies to rajX
3 hrs ago (07:41 AM)
i dont know in which job do u hav to mention that if you r a hindu or
muslim or anybody else..this is totlally ridiculous..when half of the
country is forced to christianise n do u mention their intentions…or
if sum1 chooses sum other religion is it necessary for public
scrutiny..
arvind (goa) replies to rajX
5 hrs ago (05:19 AM)
nobody asked her, maybe you should.
elihu yakub (india)
6 hrs ago (04:20 AM)
Politicians do not have any religion, they only know to exploit
religion……..all politicians..be it Sonia, Manmohan, Advani, Mayawati,
Modi…..worship one God, that is MONEY and POWER !!!
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M.N.S.Nampoothiripad (UK)
7 hrs ago (04:07 AM)
In that case why the census department is asking everybody their
relegion? It is included in the census because it is important for the
country. The information must be in public domain. Can she go to US
and become US president with the ease with which she became the
defacto CEO of India without disclosing her religion?
hopeguru (delhi)
8 hrs ago (02:48 AM)
Stupid Question ! Every body knew her faith, to loot the nation. Where
does the money go in 2 g spectrum and CWG games. Every body knew
that . Raja and Kalmadi were mere small agantes to cllect hafta from
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shyaam.chandra (bhendibazar) replies to hopeguru
3 hrs ago (07:50 AM)
you are bang on target, keep it up
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the pirate (Antilia) replies to hopeguru
3 hrs ago (07:37 AM)
only thing she worships are power and money!
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shyaam chandra (bhendibazar) replies to hopeguru
5 hrs ago (05:26 AM)
the entire clan has worshiped only money and power, ever since the
Independance.
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Subbu (Chennai)
8 hrs ago (02:44 AM)
While the personal freedom to practice any religion of choice is a
fundamental right, public oriented activities should reflect true
secularism and not pseudo-secularism as practiced by several political
outfits in this country,
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facts (World) replies to Subbu
5 hrs ago (06:09 AM)
Only terrorists or persons with dubious intent hide their faith to
masquander . If faith stands in between duties then such people should
opt out of such duties. For example would they accept her as head of a
religious ministry?
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Ameesh (USA) replies to Subbu
7 hrs ago (03:20 AM)
Can you define pseudosecularism?
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ravi (Mumbai) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (06:17 AM)
pseudosecuralism is appeasement of minority to say allah-ho akbar is
secular, but to say jai shri ram is communal. That is pseudo-
secularism
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Facts (world) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (06:14 AM)
Terrorists who hide their religion in order to get their obstacles out
of their way.
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vm (bj) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (05:45 AM)
Muslim league in Kerala claiming to be a secular party and remaining
in UDF fighting against the so-called communal parties.
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vikram (charlotte) replies to vm
3 hrs ago (07:28 AM)
“Muslim league in Kerala claiming to be a secular party” – This is
indeed pseudoSecularism.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (05:04 AM)
Pseudo secularism is a term used for those who want to know my caste
through caste based census but don’t want to reveal religious identity
of its leader for masses. good example: congress party
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vamsi (US) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (04:58 AM)
in short pseudo secularism is harping on those communities on the
basis of religion or castes but in the process trying to appear as
secular by granting quotas or other free bees to some communities. It
is the apeasement of a section of a communitiy however small or big
because it tends to have a collective voice. If one party tries to
apease a majority, the other tries to apease in terms of caste and
minorities.
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RKNEC (Ndjamena) replies to vamsi
3 hrs ago (07:43 AM)
typical RSS definition
Lokesh HK (hyderabad) replies to RKNEC
1 hr ago (10:10 AM)
True,but it is truth.
rancho (US) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (04:35 AM)
congress ! name is enough to describe.
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ravi (UK)
9 hrs ago (01:50 AM)
She is free to practice any faith, but its wrong to fool by pretending
to follow one faith in public and follow other faith in private.
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shyaam chandra (bhendibazar) replies to ravi
3 hrs ago (08:07 AM)
now I know what has caused England to be on constant slump.
Sultan Ali (Canada) replies to ravi
5 hrs ago (05:35 AM)
Are you serious? Are you really in UK, England or Uttar-Khand, India?
Inside your home, practice any religion. Outside the home, just be a
good human being and that’s enough.
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Renuka Mugli (Hosur) replies to ravi
5 hrs ago (05:22 AM)
When Obama had to clarify what her faith is, why is Sonia not willing
to disclose her faith openly? I live in Karnataka and I was denied
Engineering seat after getting 92% marks becuase I had put HINDU as my
religion whereas my classmate who got 84% got in becuase he had put
MUSLIM as his religion. So when India openly discriminates based on
religion (preferring one over other), then why should the leaders like
Sonia be not even questioned? I am sure she if afraid that if the
rural Indian find out that she is Catholic, they might not vote for
her..hence the lie continues.
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Sus (Germany) replies to ravi
7 hrs ago (04:15 AM)
She has her right, to practice her faith. Still, should she not
respect other religion and its practices. Especially as a leader, wenn
she attends one or the other religous fuctions. It’s not pretending,
gentleness of repecting others.
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Sam (b’lore) replies to ravi
8 hrs ago (02:46 AM)
Thank GOD u r in UK… Pls we don’t want Idiot’s like u in our country
so settle there….
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Sam
6 hrs ago (05:08 AM)
sam what is your caste. Did you take caste based census which congress
party made compulsory. I guess i will have to use RTI to know it.Sonia
is RTI proof but High Court will allow me to know your details.Thank
God RTI works for not so famous people.High 5 to Indian judiciary.
rajX (Restroom) replies to Sam
6 hrs ago (04:27 AM)
Sam, if you go the way you are going, your children will feel like
foreigners in their on country of India. Don’t let people from outside
make you hate your own countries culture. It will end up bad for you.
Check out the history of places where this has happened.
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Mahesh (Japan) replies to Sam
7 hrs ago (04:14 AM)
Why Sam you are so upset with Ravi. Why just because you are following
Christian faith so you don’t want to hear anything against it. When
you say ‘our country’ remember that is because 850 million Hindus have
not persecuted you for following your christian faith. So please be
tolerant.
sunny (Canada) replies to Sam
8 hrs ago (03:08 AM)
Offcourse there are enough idiots like you you don’t want competition
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bmahesh (greneda) replies to Sam
8 hrs ago (03:04 AM)
donot show your idiotic nature by posting narrow minded replies
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SecularIndian (Bihar) replies to ravi
8 hrs ago (02:21 AM)
you are an RSS fanatic it seems..
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to SecularIndian
6 hrs ago (05:10 AM)
What is RSS fanatic.Dont i have the right to know the caste and
religion of any person in public when those scums want to know my
caste and religion through census.I feel you are a pseudosecularist
duffer from Bihar who licks wounds of defeated congress.
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Hindustani (BC Canada)
9 hrs ago (01:41 AM)
You Indians are narrow minded. What does it matter what religion an
individual practices. It could be Hinduism, Islam, Christianity,Sikh
or some one could even be an atheist. It’s none of our business.Please
do not force on some one to follow what you are practising. India is a
sovereign nation.
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Tacky (USA) replies to Hindustani
3 hrs ago (08:11 AM)
Dude, In your Canada, the faith of any leader is a big issue and it is
a major criteria for that leaders election. For that matter, almost
all countries including US, UK, Japan, Muslim countries, Germany have
the same thing. India, on other hand does not have this issue at
national level. Else, Sonia/MMS/APJ would have never been where they
are. Yet, you blindly call Indians narrow minded. Ask Barack Obama
about religion and politics. I am sure he will give you the befitting
answer. And yes, I am in US, so I know better. One cannot even be an
attorney general if the religion is not christian.
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Anand (Australia) replies to Hindustani
3 hrs ago (08:08 AM)
Much as we would like to accept and believe what you said, even here
in Australia, the current PM had a tough time convincing the people
that being an agnostic (or atheist), she can serve as the PM. It is
sad but true that religion has irrevocably entered politics
everywhere!
rajX (Restroom) replies to Hindustani
6 hrs ago (04:36 AM)
Ahhhh.. Haaaaaaa.. I now understand. Maybe in Canada where this person
lives, they call him/her respectfully as “you Indian”. So its not a
surprise that this person is calling us ” you Indians”. If a person is
treated like cr*p for a long time, they treat others like cr*p. Maybe
this person treated like cr*p in canada.
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rajX (Restroom) replies to Hindustani
6 hrs ago (04:24 AM)
A Idiot Hindustani from Canada who begins his post by calling hi/her
self and their Indian family idiots. Maybe you should not visit a
idiotic India to see your family?
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Dushyant (US) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (03:15 AM)
Sir, you call yourself Hindustani then start your sentence with “You
Indians are narrow minded” painting a populace of 1.2B with the same
brush as if this petition was filed and signed by each and every
Indian. Average Indian is too busy in pursuit of his own happiness to
care who follows what religion. Please make your point without being
patronizing to you fellow citizens.
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Indrani Ganguly (Brisbane Australia) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (03:01 AM)
Agree that a person’s religion is their private business as long as
they don’t harm anyone. What about all the furor in the US about Obama
being a closet Muslim?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Indrani Ganguly
5 hrs ago (05:33 AM)
What business congress has to ask for my caste through census when it
cannot reveal identity of its leader.We have many closet christians in
India with Hindu names in public life.The whole problem is judiciary
should have guts to stops caste based census put forward by congress
before telling Indian public that we don’t have right to know the
religious leanings of its leader.Does judiciary want RTI to work
selectively.It does not harm sonia gandhi if she tells that to public.
I came to know YSR( ex CM od andhra pradesh) was a christian,did it
harm him he was chosen by same people who were of different
religion.Judiciary should not have differnt yardsticks.
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SG Sak (USA) replies to Indrani Ganguly
6 hrs ago (04:36 AM)
Good one! These Indians living n the West are so eager and ready to
preach to their motherland, but they have their tail between their
legs – they don’t even stop and wonder how screwed up the rest of the
world as well. At the macro level, on an average, human beings around
the world are the same.
AMAR (india) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (02:42 AM)
We indian do not select leader of our religion like POPE..VATICAN..WE
ARE BROAD MINDED.AND NOT ONLY SONIA, FAITH OF EVERY CITIZEN IS PRIVATE
MATTER. THEN HOW SONIA ADDRESS SOME SECTION PEOPLE AS HINDU AND SOME
MUSLIM? IS SHE HAS PRIOR INFORMATION? RESPECTED SUPREME COURT.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to AMAR
5 hrs ago (05:21 AM)
Now sonia is armed with caste census.Don’t fool people that Indians
don’t vote based on religion.Whats the reason in Muslim dominated
areas party fields candidate among them.Seems you have lot of learning
to do.You comments are very naive.
PatrioticIndian (US) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (02:32 AM)
Mr. Hindustani ?????? ..It’s not about narrow mind .. It’s a fair
critism to the idiots like you belongs to one religion but pretend to
follow other religion for public perception
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Ramesh (Kerala7) replies to Hindustani
9 hrs ago (02:17 AM)
The basic of Indian culture is Hinduism. and it does matter.. May not
be for you but to an Hindu who love his mother country..
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Michael (new york) replies to Ramesh
6 hrs ago (04:52 AM)
believing in a flying monkey with an underwear jumping from india to
sri lanka to rescue a kidnapped woman who ran away with a demon king
is indian? no thanks.
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Tacky (Online) replies to Michael
2 hrs ago (08:21 AM)
Still believable than having a baby from virgin. Isn’t it?
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Ramesh (UAE) replies to Tacky
44 mins ago (10:33 AM)
Excellent reply. You said it.
Chandu (Bangalore)
9 hrs ago (01:30 AM)
Absolutely ridiculous case- why don’t people do something worthwhile
with their time?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Chandu
5 hrs ago (05:36 AM)
Hey chandu, have you told congress govt your caste.Can you ask the
same govt the caste and religion of its leader.Just try once, then you
will understand what right does this govt has.
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Carnival for cops during winter session
Soumittra S Bose
29 November 2010, 10:18 AM IST
Nagpur: Come winter every year and cops from all over Maharashtra
flock to the Orange city. Not to taste the juicy fruit for which the
city is famous but to ensure security of netas who come to attend the
winter session of state legislature held here.
The cops of different ranks are present in every nook and corner of
the city as a peace keeping agents. Forget orange, there would be
hardly any other colour visible in the city during the next fortnight
apart from Khaki. City police chief Ankush Dhanvijay, like Indian
cricket captain Mahindra Singh Dhoni, would be busy in setting the
field to plug the security breaches.
The roads would be blocked, traffic diverted, morchas would create
snarls and so on. While the police would be left jostling with the
crowd outside, the ruling and opposition parties would wrestle on the
floors of legislative houses. As tempers of commoners soar over the
restrictions, the cops would try to explain the vagaries of Naxalism
and terrorism to crowd. For the people though, the only issue would be
to get to their destination in shortest possible time.
While local cops know how to deal belligerent citizens, the personnel
from elsewhere are generally left wondering about the frayed tempers
of people here. “Is it the high summer temperature or Saoji food?”
remained a common question of the cops from other districts coming
here for the assembly duty over the years.
“I wonder how fast the women can drive their two-wheeler here and that
too covering their entire face. This is something to experience with
awe. In fact, the women here ride faster than some of the police
commandos” said a cop from another city who was here last year. Cops
who have had past experience know it is best to avoid arguing with a
Nagpurian. They look the other way as the disobedient citizens brazen
it out. They know creating a fracas would invite the media in no time.
Small political fry too would jump in for instant publicity and until
the incident is blown out of all proportions with original issue
getting lost in chaos.
Last year, a netaji had picked up a quarrel with a woman constable and
her sister at the entrance of Hyderabad House during the session. He
was berated in the media as the information spread like a forest fire.
Barring a few stressed out hearts, for most cops Nagpur presents an
interesting tour of duty. While the mature ones simply wait for the
sojourn to end, the younger ones generally take it as an opportunity
for a free Nagpur darshan without much effort. With mobile phones
stuck to their ears, some of them seem to enjoy the salubrious winter
weather of Nagpur in December casually taking a stroll.
“I heard Tibetans put up their stalls selling winter garments at cheap
prices here. Can you tell me where I can find them,” a constable had
queried last year when asked about his experience of session duty.
Getting up early and being ferried to their duty spot in rickety buses
or open trucks may leave them jaded, but they soon get acclimatised
and start enjoying the bumpy ride.
Saluting tainted netas may leave many gnashing their teeth, the cops
still enjoy their free evenings away from stress of police stations
where they would have otherwise been kept engaged. Sleeping in make-
shift tents may not be easy for them, but the city’s lush greenery
certainly soothes their souls away from home.
When the killer gets killed
Soumittra S Bose
01 November 2010, 08:32 AM IST
In Bollywood flicks, villains mostly are beaten to pulp as the movie
draws to an end. Reality often follows a different script. However,
even in real-life, sometimes villains slip into the very grave they
had dug for their victims.
In movies, victim who kills the villains draws applause. In real life,
the potential victim who kills his attacker is whisked away in
handcuffs by the cops. He is a murderer and cools his heels behind
bars. The so-called goon at times gets overpowered by the unexpected
counter-challenge of the minnow target. At other times, things go
wrong on its own like when a bomb going off before it could kept at
its target. Whatever the case, there are many Davids in the city who
have killed the Goliaths.
The latest murder of Sunil Latkar, alias Lalla, last week is one such
example. Latkar had a dominating presence in Bhuteshwar Nagar with two
cases against him. In the past, he had been hauled up for thrashing
others. His illicit relationship with a married woman pitted him
against woman’s brother Jagdish Pise, who opposed the sinful alliance.
Pise was no match to Latkar. In fact, he consciously tried to avoid
Latkar’s wrath.
Latkar would often intimidate Pise and probably planned a serious
attack on him. Last week he went to Pise’s residence with a sword. The
end was dramatic with Latkar himself lying in pool of blood when Pise
managed to snatch the sword and hit back with same weapon. Pise even
took Latkar’s sword to the police station as he surrendered.
Last year, assailants had a bitter lesson to learn when they were
heading on a bike to Lalganj in Lakadganj to kill a man on whom they
had accepted a ‘supari’. The assailants wanted to hurl a crude bomb on
the victim to eliminate him while he would be sleeping outside his
residence on a hot summer night. The plan turned out to be a disaster
for the killers who landed in hospital after bomb they were carrying
in the dickey went off when their two-wheeler jumped over a pothole
near Raj Bhavan.
In August, hardcore goon Pappu Deshbhratar faced the same fate in his
attempt to harass two brothers at Jai Bheem Chowk. Deshbhratar had
been just released from jail. One of the victim brothers had even gone
to Deshbhratar’s place to seek forgiveness for any wrong that had been
done by him. Deshbhratar ticked him off bragging about his influence
in the locality.
The brothers, sensing trouble, laid a trap for Deshbhratar and
eliminated him when he was returning from Nandanvan police station
after his routine reporting there. What the Shaikh brothers could not
be thought of even by many rivals of Deshbhratar’s.
Two such incidents took place in July 2008 under Jaripatka police
station. Murder accused Chinna Naidu was killed by cousins whom the
goon regularly harassed for money and liquor. Naidu was filthily
abusing the wife and mother of the cousins who took a stone and
crashed it on the skull of Naidu at old Punjabi Line. Earlier, four
youths eliminated a goon and murder accused Prashant Ramteke at
Barakholi. Ramteke was harassing one of them after his release from
the jail. The youths were also attacked by Ramteke. During a skirmish,
the youths snatched the sword from Ramteke and brought his end.
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Sachetak says:
November 01,2010 at 08:54 AM IST
By this narration of goons gettin killed due to their own mistakes;
what do you wish to convey?
All your articles are just gibberish. Will you please put some thought
into it instead of just wasting yours as well as others time. You have
been advised this by others many a times. Why is it not enetrin your
skull? If there is something wron please consult a shrink.
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(Reply to Sachetak)- sujit says:
November 02,2010 at 01:12 PM IST
He is just relating incidents from the crime scene. I find it pretty
interesting, though he could definitely do with an editor.
As for your comments here, please be polite as far as possible, if you
want more people to take you seriously.
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(Reply to Sachetak)- arpita says:
November 09,2010 at 03:24 PM IST
I feel this blog is knowledgeable for particular section of people
like adviocates, police dept. crime journalists, psychologists etc.it
cant be understood and accepted by everyone. its not every one’s cup
of tea
(Reply to Sachetak)- Berserker says:
November 23,2010 at 04:33 AM IST
Better stop reading if you don’t like this writer’s blogs. As simple
as that!
mshagv says:
November 01,2010 at 10:06 AM IST
Serious matter to ponder.
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Dr.GANESH says:
November 01,2010 at 03:35 PM IST
very weird..
sujit says:
November 02,2010 at 01:05 PM IST
Like in the case of Pise, if you kill someone in self defense, what
happens? What is the law in india in this case? Will the person get
bail and eventual freedom?
G says:
November 03,2010 at 05:37 PM IST
I have to agree with Mr. Sachetak on this post (while not agreeing
with the language) that while this post has entertainment value, it
seems to lack an opinion. More importantly, what measures would you
suggest for the potential victim, were he to kill his assailant. While
we sympathise with the victim, do we let him bypass due process? why
cannot the victim prove self-defence in such cases? Also,
@Mr.Sachetak, it would be to everyone’s beenfit, if you refrained from
reading, further posts in this coloumn.
arpita says:
November 09,2010 at 03:12 PM IST
i appreciate with your talent and writing skills.. such incidents do
happen which general public isn’t aware . Your articles make use
realize what different problems , funny incidences and experiences a
crime journalist faces ..keep it up
…and I am Sid Harth
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