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leonard hofstatder
2021-10-09 14:57:07 UTC
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It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.

This shit is getting ridiculous.

The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
Michael Falkner
2021-10-09 22:30:07 UTC
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Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
Would you like a race riot mixed in with your sports?

I'm sorry the NFL is 70% Black...

Mike
John Wagner
2021-10-09 23:51:07 UTC
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Post by Michael Falkner
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an
even bigger joke.
Would you like a race riot mixed in with your sports?
I watch sports to see blacks maim each other with no consequences.
Post by Michael Falkner
I'm sorry the NFL is 70% Black...
Corporate slavery, nobody cares.
Some dued
2021-10-10 00:36:11 UTC
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Post by John Wagner
Post by Michael Falkner
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an
even bigger joke.
Would you like a race riot mixed in with your sports?
I watch sports to see blacks maim each other with no consequences.
Post by Michael Falkner
I'm sorry the NFL is 70% Black...
Corporate slavery, nobody cares.
Joe Theisman says hi!
Corky
2021-10-09 23:41:58 UTC
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Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
The mean man called my big lips big...
Johnny RSFCootball
2021-10-12 02:21:23 UTC
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Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
Michael Falkner
2021-10-12 06:59:11 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
How many others were involved in the Dan Snyder investigation?

That's where they got the e-mails. And if you don't think the NFL isn't scouring over 60,000 e-mails for more people to fire (for getting on the bad side of Goodell, forget the racism to Smith -- he all but admits that's not the only racist language he's gotten as NFLPA head)...

Mike
floaterjr
2021-10-12 10:14:17 UTC
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Post by Michael Falkner
Post by Johnny RSFCootball
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
How many others were involved in the Dan Snyder investigation?
That's where they got the e-mails. And if you don't think the NFL isn't scouring over 60,000 e-mails for more people to fire (for getting on the bad side of Goodell, forget the racism to Smith -- he all but admits that's not the only racist language he's gotten as NFLPA head)...
Mike
Huh? who knew the internet was a real thing.
michael anderson
2021-10-12 17:45:55 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
that to me is the story....even emails you are sending now to individuals you know may not be anything close to private. It's basically impossible to 'be yourself'
when you are a high profile individual.
Corky
2021-10-13 00:25:16 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
that to me is the story....even emails you are sending now to individuals you know may not be anything close to private. It's basically impossible to 'be yourself'
when you are a high profile individual.
Just people trying to create vacancies for black coaches. In all men work situations there's lots of shit talking and Randy Moss knows it, but he was reported to be hurt by Gruden's remarks.. By big ole butt
Johnny RSFCootball
2021-10-13 02:32:18 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
that to me is the story....even emails you are sending now to individuals you know may not be anything close to private. It's basically impossible to 'be yourself'
when you are a high profile individual.
What I find most interesting about this thread is the people who’ve barely posted recently, suddenly coming out of the woodworks to rush to the defense of Jon Gruden. Seriously? Jon Gruden? That’s who motivates people to post again?

If it were some poor one-legged man who lost his job at the only factory in town, then I could understand coming out of the woodworks for that, but for a highly paid football coach/commentator who made a joke about a black man’s lips?

And we just had a great Saturday of football, but some people don’t want to talk about that or anything else. They just want to talk about poor Jon Gruden who got in trouble for making a joke about a black man’s lips.
jimbr...@yahoo.com
2021-10-13 03:03:36 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
Post by leonard hofstatder
It was 10 GD years ago, who gives a fuck.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
The NFL is investigating and considering disciplinary action is an even
bigger joke.
How many nfl coaches and gm’s are deleting their hotmail accounts right now?
that to me is the story....even emails you are sending now to individuals you know may not be anything close to private. It's basically impossible to 'be yourself'
when you are a high profile individual.
What I find most interesting about this thread is the people who’ve barely posted recently, suddenly coming out of the woodworks to rush to the defense of Jon Gruden. Seriously? Jon Gruden? That’s who motivates people to post again?
If it were some poor one-legged man who lost his job at the only factory in town, then I could understand coming out of the woodworks for that, but for a highly paid football coach/commentator who made a joke about a black man’s lips?
And we just had a great Saturday of football, but some people don’t want to talk about that or anything else. They just want to talk about poor Jon Gruden who got in trouble for making a joke about a black man’s lips.
I've always liked Gruden, and when this first popped up I figured it was just more Handwringing labial nonsense. But once I read what he had written he lost my support. I don't care if it was in a private email, or that it was ten years ago. What makes smart, motivated people talk like that? Don't they feel stupid when they see it in print, BEFORE he hits send? He deserved to be put back to pasture.
Corky
2021-10-13 10:38:43 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
And we just had a great Saturday of football, but some people don’t want to talk about that or anything else. They just want to talk about poor Jon Gruden who got in trouble for making a joke about a black man’s lips.
I've always liked Gruden, and when this first popped up I figured it was just more Handwringing labial nonsense. But once I read what he had written he lost my support. I don't care if it was in a private email, or that it was ten years ago. What makes smart, motivated people talk like that? Don't they feel stupid when they see it in print, BEFORE he hits send? He > > > >deserved to be put back to pasture.
This isn't racist behavior, it's toxic male behavior. It's what brash males do in all male workplaces all over the world.
It wouldn't surprise me if the NFL players are 95% anti gay if the truth be known. And if you think for a second that black players don't trash talk white ones in private then you're mistaken IMHO. They just don't do it in emails shared by the league.
Gruden is a wise guy. How can everyone be OK with the CHUCKY thing and not think it calls for and over the top personality to match? It begs for him to be the wise cracker.
And this shit will come full circle eventually. Players like Randy Moss think they're safe behind a cloak of black community but that's no longer true. Somebody may dig up some white bashing or homophobic shit on him before it's over. And I wouldn't think badly of him if they did because it's his actions that he should be judged by, not some toxic male banter.
Should he be fired for being careless with his shtick? Probably, but don't paint him as a monster for being what, in all likelihood is very prevalent in the NFL among black and whites alike.
floaterjr
2021-10-13 11:39:24 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
And we just had a great Saturday of football, but some people don’t want to talk about that or anything else. They just want to talk about poor Jon Gruden who got in trouble for making a joke about a black man’s lips.
I've always liked Gruden, and when this first popped up I figured it was just more Handwringing labial nonsense. But once I read what he had written he lost my support. I don't care if it was in a private email, or that it was ten years ago. What makes smart, motivated people talk like that? Don't they feel stupid when they see it in print, BEFORE he hits send? He > > > >deserved to be put back to pasture.
This isn't racist behavior, it's toxic male behavior. It's what brash males do in all male workplaces all over the world.
It wouldn't surprise me if the NFL players are 95% anti gay if the truth be known. And if you think for a second that black players don't trash talk white ones in private then you're mistaken IMHO. They just don't do it in emails shared by the league.
Gruden is a wise guy. How can everyone be OK with the CHUCKY thing and not think it calls for and over the top personality to match? It begs for him to be the wise cracker.
And this shit will come full circle eventually. Players like Randy Moss think they're safe behind a cloak of black community but that's no longer true. Somebody may dig up some white bashing or homophobic shit on him before it's over. And I wouldn't think badly of him if they did because it's his actions that he should be judged by, not some toxic male banter.
Should he be fired for being careless with his shtick? Probably, but don't paint him as a monster for being what, in all likelihood is very prevalent in the NFL among black and whites alike.
I agree with most of this. As a former teamster. a lot of trash is spoken in a all male work place. Interesting, the addition of women drivers causes the males to grow up and act adult. Most of that stops with women around has been my experience. Gruden is judgement was stupid for emailing crap like that.
Michael Falkner
2021-10-14 02:22:25 UTC
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This isn't racist behavior, it's toxic male behavior. It's what brash males do in all male workplaces all over the world.
And if we expose the NFL as the Good Ol' Boys Club many have always seen it to be...
It wouldn't surprise me if the NFL players are 95% anti gay if the truth be known. And if you think for a second that black players don't trash talk white ones in private then you're mistaken IMHO. They just don't do it in emails shared by the league.
Almost have to be if the entire institution behind the NFL went homophobic after Lombardi died. (Lombardi made public he didn't give a shit, and a lot of people didn't like that!)
Gruden is a wise guy. How can everyone be OK with the CHUCKY thing and not think it calls for and over the top personality to match? It begs for him to be the wise cracker.
Gruden is a fucking idiot. None of this should surprise anyone, especially with his personality.
And this shit will come full circle eventually. Players like Randy Moss think they're safe behind a cloak of black community but that's no longer true. Somebody may dig up some white bashing or homophobic shit on him before it's over. And I wouldn't think badly of him if they did because it's his actions that he should be judged by, not some toxic male banter.
The problem is the old saying, "In Vino, Veritas" -- In Wine, Comes The Truth. We may soon be finding out that the entire existence of sports is built on rape, sexual harassment, racism, homophobia, etc.
Should he be fired for being careless with his shtick? Probably, but don't paint him as a monster for being what, in all likelihood is very prevalent in the NFL among black and whites alike.
The more I'm seeing come out, the more I think this could as existential a problem for the NFL as the current situation in the NWSL (where the male money got caught exposed that the only reason women's soccer exists is for men to jack off to in this country) -- for the very reason you're giving.

NFLPA head now thinking rampant violations of the Rooney Rule, for one.

Mike
JGibson
2021-10-14 03:18:11 UTC
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Post by Johnny RSFCootball
And we just had a great Saturday of football, but some people don’t want to talk about that or anything else. They just want to talk about poor Jon Gruden who got in trouble for making a joke about a black man’s lips.
I've always liked Gruden, and when this first popped up I figured it was just more Handwringing labial nonsense. But once I read what he had written he lost my support. I don't care if it was in a private email, or that it was ten years ago. What makes smart, motivated people talk like that? Don't they feel stupid when they see it in print, BEFORE he hits send? He > > > >deserved to be put back to pasture.
This isn't racist behavior, it's toxic male behavior. It's what brash males do in all male workplaces all over the world.
Make comments like that in e-mail about your CEO and see how long you last.
Michael Falkner
2021-10-14 04:01:02 UTC
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Post by JGibson
Make comments like that in e-mail about your CEO and see how long you last.
Exactly. I'm convinced Gruden was NOT fired for the racism.

He was fired for going off on Goodell, the Master of the NFL Universe.

Mike

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